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Producer: Thor Benander
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Producer: Seth Freilich
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Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
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Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are discussing Ted Lasso Season episode 12 inverting the pyramid of success. This is part 7. Part 7. And it might be, this might be it, this might be it. I am your host, coach Castleton With me, as always, is Coach Bishop. We are going up, we are going up. And with us is our boss, Emily Chambers.
Speaker 4:It has nothing to do with Ted Lasso whatsoever, but it is a fact that I learned today that's continuing to blow my mind. Do you guys know who voices Mr Krabs from SpongeBob SquarePants?
Speaker 2:No idea, oh damn it. I knew that, go ahead tell it. I knew that, go ahead Tell me.
Speaker 4:Fucking Clancy Brown. Yes, yes, the weirdest thing for me. For those who are not familiar, clancy Brown is an extremely prolific actor. He was in Highlander. He was the head guard in the Shawshank Redemption. He was in one episode of Sleepy Hollow which should have been much better than the ending seasons of Sleepy Hollow were. He is exactly, I should say, younger, younger Clancy Brown. He's a bit old for me, but younger Clancy Brown is exactly the kind of Coach Beard, daniel Stern sort of kind of weird looking but in a hot way type thing. Like pictures of young clancy brown for sure. And it turns out the motherfucker has been on spongebob's square pants all these years. I'm absolutely losing my mind over it.
Speaker 3:It's the wildest shit yeah, you would have you. You would have me sitting here guessing for the rest of time. I mean, like what?
Speaker 4:that makes no sense he is a large seemingly he can be a large intimidating man like he. He plays rough guys and here he is being a fucking crab near a pineapple under the sea. I I saw it on one of the social medias and I was like that, that a joke. It's past April Fools and I fucking hate April Fools, so I know it's not that. And then it was real. It's fucking bizarre.
Speaker 3:She really does hate April Fools folks.
Speaker 4:I fucking hate April Fools.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, why Remind me? Why?
Speaker 4:It's going to make you sad. I'm going to go ahead and tell all of our Listeners I just out of principle, why it's going to make you sad. I'm going to go ahead and tell all of our listeners I just out of principle, I hate it. That is not the purpose of lying. People do it poorly. Pranks are stupid. There is nothing about the holiday itself that I care for. It doesn't make any sense to me. It is a day where people lie in order not to get things or make themselves sound good, but just so that somebody thinks something for a second before you reveal to them the truth. It's the stupidest fucking thing.
Speaker 4:But, what coach was talking about is that one of our mutual buddies sent me a Christmas card when I was back in my old place, the studio apartment, which I didn't decorate at all. I decorated not, I put no things on the wall. I did hang his Christmas card with him and his wife and their beautiful child on my refrigerator with a magnet. And then when I was leaving, when I was moving out, I took a picture, I texted him, I explained that he was the only decoration in my apartment and then a few days later he texted back. I just noticed this, but I'm also realizing the day you sent it and maybe I shouldn't believe it and that's when I realized I had sent it on April 1st and I wrote back hey, buddy, my dad killed himself on February 14th and Valentine's is still only my second least favorite holiday. I do not fuck with April Fools and I stand by all of that. I fucking mean it. I hate April Fools.
Speaker 3:It's terrible. I am as awestruck this time as I was last time. I mean God damn. Struck this time as I was last time. I mean God damn. I mean there's so many levels, the fact that that's true, the fact that you are able to articulate it yes, in such a pithy powerful manner. That's what I go for. There's a lot there, man, and I love it. Next time I hope we bump into somebody else who don't know that story. That is just great. That is just great.
Speaker 4:I really mean it. I fucking hate April Fools, but anyway, clancy Brown, good looking.
Speaker 2:I'm scrolling through Clancy Brown's filmography here and it's I mean just on first glance it's, it's going to be close. Uh, he's done so much voice work that it might outnumber like clone wars um lego batman. Obviously, you know, like kung fu, panda, pound puppies, spongebob wander over yonder, doom patrol these are all animated robot chicken. Uh, I'm like family guy. He was on the last airbender rick and morty last year. But yeah, I'm just like, oh my god, sheriff callie's wild west um pickle and peanut. I'm just like, god damn, I cannot believe how much work.
Speaker 4:I knew he was in everything, constantly working.
Speaker 2:Everybody knows him as Captain Hadley from. Shawshank Redemption Shawshank right, or the Kurgan from Highland. He's been in them.
Speaker 4:And also to my discredit I just said attractive when he was younger. I should mention I did see some stills. I didn't watch the newest Star Wars show, oh shit, Ahsoka yes, he was in that. Didn't look bad in that either.
Speaker 2:I mean, come on, I can't pretend that I know, I would say no.
Speaker 2:All right, there's a yeah, no, yeah, listen, he's a. He's a talented son of a gun. Start tales of the jedi. I mentioned tales of the sith coming out in just a few days. Now may the fourth. Um, everyone should watch, anyway, if you're a star wars fan. Tales of the jedi, uh is outstanding. Um, okay, let us jump into ted lasso. When we, when we left and nate had ripped up the sign that guys were cheering, we know we are, we're sure we are. And then higgy baby comes in and sort of flags down sam in the corner and I'm like you know, can we, can I just enjoy? My'm like why is he getting pulled out? Oh yeah, oh right, business is business, right now.
Speaker 3:Business baby. I hate the world. There's a billionaire waiting on you. You know they're going to come get you. Yeah, make him wait. There's a lot of that going on in the world. People just tell them billionaires, hold your horses there should be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna say there's a lot more of it well, the recent layoffs at tesla somebody should have said it but there you go. Yeah, billionaires do hire people to hold their horses for them, so they don't have to worry about it too much that part I mean, are we thinking that billionaires if you take the whole cross-section of billionaires and put it up against the cross-section of society, that billionaires are better?
Speaker 4:Wait, what Well they have more money.
Speaker 2:so no, no, no. I'm talking like, just like they're Whatever, Just to get to be.
Speaker 3:We treat them better, does that make them somehow intrinsically or inherently better.
Speaker 4:No, but that doesn't have anything to do with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, who's a better person? Sam obisanya, who is not a billionaire, or yeah, but edwin acufo, by what measure that?
Speaker 3:that's the trouble we always run into and in what language?
Speaker 2:language and by what method? In what religion?
Speaker 4:And I mean, I would argue that the bigger issue is that, in the US at least, what we do is say these specific characteristics make you a quote unquote good person. And I say that because I'm not into this vibes based sort of morality where it's like, oh well, they seem really nice. Therefore I think that they're a good person. It's like, well, what did you do, what did you do today to be a good person? In which way did you improve things? Or in which way did you stay the fuck out of everybody else's way so you didn't make things worse for them? So, good is a hard thing to define. The things that we say make you a good person, do not make you a billionaire Although, thens, society also exalts billionaires, because we're all fucked up in almost every conceivable way. Billionaires are statistically more likely to be sociopaths and to actually have, uh, sadistic tendencies, like they are more likely to be willing to hurt other people than your average person. And we, we say that's what I'm saying, so make them wait.
Speaker 3:No, but that's not how it works, sir. No one makes a billionaire wait for anything. I'm trying to think of an example of somebody making a billionaire wait for something. I'm actually right now actively trying to think about that.
Speaker 2:And I can't think of a single time of jelena's friends was dating a billionaire and I have had cobb salads with more personality than this guy. Yeah, um, and I'm just like I don't. And everybody tiptoes around him and you know what I mean. I was like, oh my god, like I made him wait, I made him wait, I'm gonna. That's my new rule. If I meet a billionaire, they're gonna fucking wait. I'll tell you right now, coach, I'm doing it every single time. I haven't met a billionaire of like. I've met a few of them. I met one, two, I met four billionaires in my life I said and it's not that it's not whatever, it doesn't.
Speaker 2:You know what, like I've only like talked to three of them one it was just like a handshake, but still like none of them were that impressive at all at all I usually, usually.
Speaker 4:I know that you and I don't see exactly eye to eye in this stuff, but I actually 100 agree with you and, in solidarity, the next time that I meet a thousandaire, I'm just gonna make them wait because you know what. No, no, no, I like that.
Speaker 2:They're probably no, no, they're probably lovely people. Hundredaires, hundredaires are my people I'm.
Speaker 4:I mean, there's no fucking way I'm meeting a billionaire. There is no. There is no world in which I am meeting a billionaire. It's not gonna happen. If I meet a millionaire and I don't even know, uh, I don't know if I would know that they're a millionaire, I'd probably treat them like shit.
Speaker 2:But that's just how I do general, just just copy that yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, well, um yeah I don't know listen I was trying to think like, how do I know?
Speaker 2:How have I met so many billionaires? It's not, I'm not wealthy. So one of them was through, like when I, when I went to college I'm sorry, when I went to, I got, went to private schools because I had a sports scholarship and and then also like an academic scholarship, and so, you know, I went to some schools that we probably couldn't afford at the time and a lot of the kids of those people you know have their names on buildings and stuff like that. So I met a couple that way. And then Juliana went to Harvard and so I met the other one that way, and then one in the film industry. That was a good. I told you about that one, though. I think that was. That was. That was a good. I told you about that one, though. I think that was that was I don't know if I all right. So there was this one. There was this one really quick. We got to get to Ted Lasso. But there was this moment where we got invited to. It was when.
Speaker 2:Jesus it was I was. It was when Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor of California. He was the governor.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah. And so I don't know how we got invited to this, but it was his birthday party and it was this big thing in Brentwood and I just got a job as a writer for this. It was like my first screenplay ever sold and it's a really exciting thing. When you first saw a screenplay in hollywood, you're like, oh, my god, you know it really feels like it's, it's a, it's a big deal, um, and I remember in this meeting so I was like had all these impressions of like what it was going to be like to be in Hollywood. And I remember my first meeting, big meeting. I was so nervous. I went into this production company and you just have all these preconceived notions of what Hollywood is. And I remember that the guy who owned the production company was like picking at pimples and he had his shoes off and I remember his socks going back and forth like this and I was like this is not a lot less cool than what. I thought yeah.
Speaker 2:So he ended up buying my screenplay. So, uh, that was. He ended up buying, uh, my screenplay. And then I had, you know, this relationship where you have in hollywood, which is you, you have a contract and there's writers, guild minimums, and you know it's more than I had ever made in my life, and but then it gets contentious because you like give them a draft and like this doesn't count as a technical draft. You know, like what coach could tell you he's already shaking his head, just this whole sort of sort of whatever.
Speaker 2:Um, so julianne and I go to this, this party, I, I set this up to say, like the guy, the production company owner, you know he said his name, you know he's made 100 movies, probably, but it wasn't awesome to me um, and so, um, we go to this governor's party, and that's where I met the other billionaire who was like hosting it, and at his house in Brentwood. And then I was like this is nauseating. I wanted to go, just to go. Julianna didn't want to go, but I was like you know, I just want to see what this is. It'll be good for writing. This is what we talked about last episode the the pitfalls of dating a writer, because you just want to experience everything and you say like, okay, just want, I want this again. Look at, I can talk about it now. If I didn't go, I wouldn't be able to talk about.
Speaker 2:So, um, we go out and you had to valet your car because you know it's a neighborhood, basically. And so julian and I are at the front of the line waiting for our car to get dropped off and this Bentley pulls up onto the street. It's in Brentwood, bentley pulls up. I never told you guys. This Bentley pulls up and it's this big-time producer and he's like he calls me over. He's like, hey, he's like come here and I go up to the driver's door of his car he's got his window down and I go up to the driver's door of his car he's got his window down. He's like what's going on here? This is my neighborhood. He's like I live right over there and I was like, oh, I was like it's the governor's birthday party, didn't you get it, didn't you? Get it Woo.
Speaker 2:All right, that's pretty good and he put his window up and drove away and I've literally never talked to the guy since. I mean, but it was a great, it was a Julian. I was like you did not. You're like you'll never work for that production company again, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3:You definitely pissed in that punch bowl.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I hear you it does seem like it was worth it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was fantastic, it was so great.
Speaker 4:Because we talked just a bit about billionaires and the morality associated with that. I need to mention there are a couple of very weird things and then I promise we'll move on. But number one is that very often your contentment with your own life is not how much money you individually have, but how much money you have compared to the people that you consider your peers. So in your case, castleton, when you were going to a prep school but going on a scholarship and going yeah you know, not boarding there and not staying there, I'm sure that the difference might have been very accentuated for you, it was a gulf, it was a gulf, it was a gulf I will say that there is a weird gulf for me, because the private schools in the chicago suburb where I grew up were exclusively religiously affiliated and only day schools.
Speaker 4:Like when you say prep schools, I'm like that is some old-timey english aristocratic bullshit, like it's, it's it is. It is like we had holy angels and aurora christian and that was where you're going to private school and if you weren't gonna learn about jesus, you weren't going to their fucking school. So it's like, even within the three of us now being interesting it's.
Speaker 4:Literally. You're talking about billionaires. I could theoretically go to a place where I might meet Illinois Governor JB Pritzker, who is the only billionaire I could name offhand who lives in Illinois. It's just. God bless the Midwest. We got nothing going on in here Outside of. Chicago, chicago's fucking amazing.
Speaker 3:That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true, the Gulf is there and you're right to say yeah, you know, how are you compared to your peers? That was, I remember. I remember, like for spring break, I knew I would be going to work for my dad's factory so, like, all my friends would go off and they would literally going to stad and aspen and they all had houses all over the world, but they were definitely going. If they weren't going to, like you know, some resort, they were going to another country for spring break and I would get up the next morning super early to go into work with my dad and he would save this big. He is like a. They would sort of.
Speaker 2:They did a lot of die cutting so they would have scrap rubber and I remember the smell of the rubber. You'll never get it out of your nose. It's like when someone burns their tires burning type of rubber. That's what the factory smelled like all the time. But they would cut all of these things out of big sheets of rubber and I would have to go measure the scrap rubber with calipers and sort it based on thickness to see if we could reuse part of it. Uh, you know, oh yeah, and it was not. It was not, but it's fun. Hey, it's character building um, but it's um. It's a different, you know, it's a different experience than what most of my peers were yeah, this is um god, I'm going to talk so much I was.
Speaker 4:It's because I was on the east coast recently and there feels to be a certain level of character that has not developed in some of your midwestern suburbs, like everything. A suburb is built in like 10 years, so everything in a specific area is from 76 to 86 and everything looks the same and everything is very boring. There's not a lot to it. There are a shit ton of McDonald's. So I swear to God, number one, I did just have to look up what Stott is Didn't know, did not know what you were talking about there.
Speaker 2:Oh well, tell anybody. Sorry, right, and I said it as if everyone knows what is it I didn't find it.
Speaker 4:I was looking it up and then I had to start talking and I couldn't even spell it starts with.
Speaker 2:It starts with the g are you fucking kidding me? G, s, t, a, a, d. It's a skiing, it's a city in in switzerland, but it's like a, you know, very exclusive.
Speaker 4:No, I don't know because it's so exclusive, I don't know about it this is what I'm this is what I'm trying to.
Speaker 4:What I'm saying is that, like when I was at u of I and people were going on spring break which also I, of course, was not doing that because, come on, um, but I swear to god, one of the things they were like we found this new place, cancun is over. Nobody's going to cancun anymore. We're so past canccun, now we're going to South Padre Island, and they were like that is the cool place, like that is where we're going to go, fucking hang out, jesus, this is what I'm talking about. I need you to know when you talk to me about, like not being able to do anything, I am I am I exceed at not being able to do anything. I am I exceed at not being able to do anything. I am so fucking far past most people. We're like hell, yeah, let's fly through Brownsville, texas, on our way to vacation.
Speaker 2:That's what's up. Yeah, no, no, listen, I can't. We got into this by saying I think we should make billionaires wait. They're not superior, they're not better. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:In my experience, I met Malcolm Forbes one time and he was like a blast. He was really like, he was as good as you know. He was about the very, very animated and huge personality and amazing and sort of really, really, that was like the only. I guess there were five billionaires I forgot about them, but so he was the only one that was like um, you know big personality. But there was this one guy the most recent one I met, no, no, the one before him and he and it was like um, we were at this. Uh, juliana went to Harvard, so we went to these. Every year they have like a Harvard or sorry, five years class reunion kind of thing. Coach can probably talk about this at Yale too.
Speaker 2:And what's funny is, you know they do these things like, oh, class of whatever, right, and we were able to. You know our goal was to raise blah, blah, blah. And if you go to a regular college, like I did, to raise like 75 bucks from the whole class, right, but at at the ivs. They're like our goal is, like, you know, we're trying to hit 200 million this year. And you're like are you like? What did you just like? Like it's, it's, it's a preposterous number and that's just what the class raised. And then, as you dig into it, you find out like like oh, everyone else raised, you know, 840,000.
Speaker 2:And then one billionaire gave you know 100 million because he's got a kid that's about to be legacied into the school. You know things like that. So, anyway, but have you done that, coach? Have you been to any of those fancy?
Speaker 3:schmancy I have.
Speaker 3:I usually don't pay a ton of attention to the speeches that would include what you just said, but yes, I've been around for it and I and I, I hear it and I get it, it's, it's, it is outrageous, like beyond outrage, the amount of money. That's just sort of like strolling around campus and sometimes I have to. You know it's a little different what you described with terms of billionaire specifically, but certainly like, uh, political and like public figures. Like I'll be like oh yeah, I know so, and like I used to, I used to hang out, like I have partied with the attorney general of california and and was really great friends with his I mean even better friends with his wife, who's also a politician, like you know, but I don, but I don't think you know what I mean Like I don't, I think of them as Robin Mielisa, and then suddenly someone brings it up and I'm like he is the attorney general of California, that is true. We have hung out at Harvard, yale, at a tailgate, and he now is a big fucking shot caller.
Speaker 3:You know there are a bunch of people like that, but yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2:In the infamous words of the great Van Halen 5150 album contact is all it takes, hello neighbor.
Speaker 3:Come on, that's a pull. That was impressive, nice, I do love that. Thank you. A pull that was impressive.
Speaker 4:You did nice.
Speaker 2:Nice, I do love that. Thank you, coach Ted Lasso. So Sam gets called out by Higgins and then boss. Will you walk us through this interaction here please?
Speaker 4:Of course. So Sam walks into the room and, jesus Christ, why am I blanking on his name already? Akufo, edwin, that's what I was thinking of. I kept wanting to call him Edward, not Edward. Edward, no. Edwin Akufo is saying Sam hey, sammo hey. Excellent performance. Yeah, the goal of course.
Speaker 3:Sammo by the way. Oh yeah, they're buddies.
Speaker 2:They're so tight, sam-o, by the way. Oh yeah, they're buddies, they're like they're so tight, sam-o no I. No, thank you, it's so. Anyway, keep going. Sam-o is worse in a couple minutes than it is right now, but keep going.
Speaker 4:I just I'm not sure if I I think I mentioned on here there are three people in the world that are allowed to call me Emmy and you listening right now are not them? When people do that informally, somebody it's so it's so insulting when, like, I don't know anybody well enough and they try to become that familiar, hey, emmy, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:Anyway, excellent performance. Are Coach and I part of the three.
Speaker 4:You could do it, I wouldn't get mad at you. I would say like no, you could call me m, but like I wouldn't get mad. But no, not part m m like auntie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I would call it auntie m, but I just talked about how I'm from the culturalist midwest, so but yeah, no, no, no right, m is great. A lot of people like I'm in a lot of phones as M and that's fine. All right.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, all right. Well, thank you. I thought you were going to say fuck, fuck, no, no, you wouldn't be doing it in an insulting way.
Speaker 4:You would try it and I'd be like no, I don't really. That's not really what I go in for. I would yeah.
Speaker 2:I would be trying to get a rise out of you. You would be trying to be an asshole, I would be putting it after a comma after some sort of declarative statement Like maybe wash your feet. Comma Emmy.
Speaker 4:You would be doing it in the same way as our buddy who sent me the Christmas card. He found out that I don't want to be called Emma and would refer to me as that exclusively, but this is also why I sent him horrible texts about my father's suicide. So like fair play.
Speaker 3:Kurt, sorry about it. We're playing full contact at this point. Here we go.
Speaker 4:Come on. Excellent performance, yeah, the goal, of course, speaks for itself, but your tactical discipline, hey, they're certainly going to miss you around here. And finally, sam speaks up as Mr Akufo. I truly enjoyed meeting you and I am so flattered by your offer. I'm sorry, but my answer is no, thank you, and I don't believe my time here at Richmond is over and for that reason I have to stay. I hope you could understand, which, of course, being a billionaire, edwin Okufo totally understands.
Speaker 2:And shouts he's like thank you, I will have a great day. Home class, here's $100,000 for you.
Speaker 4:You Nigerian motherfucker, you Yoruba trash. Who the fuck do you think you are wasting my time? You medium talent, piece of shit. I love that they called out the medium talent yeah, medium talent yeah, that was great that is well so.
Speaker 2:he goes Nigerian, he goes country, then he goes tribe you, yoruba, piece of of. That's like, oh, that's like, okay, here's the recent insult, here's the ancient insult, yeah. And then he's like and I'm going to insult your ability, you like medium talent, piece of shit.
Speaker 4:Wait, but do we know about medium talent?
Speaker 3:I don't.
Speaker 4:It's fucking one of my I, I, I refuse to believe that it isn't 100 accurate. I will not call it lore, uh, but apparently on the set of saturday night live way back in the day, uh, bill murray and chevy chase got into it.
Speaker 3:It almost came to blows if it did not come to, blows it almost came to blows. I may heard this story, but I don't remember the details Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I think we've said it on the show before.
Speaker 4:Yeah, as they were dragging Bill Murray away Because Chevy Chase was the star. He was it. He was who everybody was there to see. I'm Chevy Chase and you're not, and as they're dragging Bill Murray away, he shouts down the hall medium talent at Chevy Chase. It's such a perfect insult. It's so fucking good.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 4:It is. I stole directly from that sort of vibe. A guy I went to high school with became my youngest brother's teacher, like he was right out of college and my younger brother was.
Speaker 4:I had a couple situations like that yep, yep yeah so I was like oh, john, yeah, john prochko, john prochko is your teacher. And apparently prochko was giving him shit. I don't think because he knew me, but just because maybe my brother was an asshole and I said that's fine. Next time he yells at you, you tell him that his performance and joseph in the amazing technicolor dream coat was mediocre at best and that is so wrong, that is.
Speaker 3:So I was like let me tell you.
Speaker 4:Let me tell you exactly, exactly how to get that guy mediocre at best. So wrong, that is so wrong. Don't be a dick. Um, I will dedicate my life to destroying you, you fucking asshole, and you will never play on the Nigerian national team. Hmm, you understand? You understand me, pinky dick? Never. And I will buy your childhood home and I will take a shit in every room and then I will burn the place down. Yeah, then I will sit there, I will eat uh kinky and I will poop on the fucking ashes.
Speaker 3:I promise you this um no, no, we just like all that so I'd like to return to our previous conversation about the practice of making billionaires wait. Is there any? Is there anything? About this reaction that suggests that he was going to, uh, patiently wait for anyone.
Speaker 2:Oh, also, or the propensity of their of them to be sociopath.
Speaker 3:This is like so mental, mental, and not only that, but he starts out For me what it points to that we all should keep in mind regarding all billionaires and those who claim billionaire status no names used is he'll say anything Like literally a minute ago ago, this man was fawning fawning is not too strong a word and because he was told no, this is where we are, like sam has not said anything else since. He said literally no, thank you, you could not be any more polite, or I mean, that's his big transgression. That this guy has lost his shit Is, uh, turns out. I want to keep the job I have and not leave with you.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Well, I think, I think, even though he's making a big deal about it right now, edwin will get over it. Oh, 100%. It seems like as he's. As he's leaving, he makes sure I will never forget this disrespect. Fuck you, sam Obasanya, fucking dare. So maybe I was wrong, maybe when he said I will never forget this disrespect. You know what? Listen, I gotta respect somebody that holds a grudge. That's a t-shirt.
Speaker 3:You know what? Listen, I got to respect somebody that holds a grudge.
Speaker 2:That's a t-shirt. So Francis goes for the fake handshake, sam goes for it. And then so Sam Richardson plays Edwin Acufo. Listen, it's really hard to do this kind of physical comedy, it's not. I don't know how much this landed and I don't know the intelligence of like sort of finishing the season with it, but whatever it was, it had to happen.
Speaker 2:Sam Richardson, sort of like when he said you know, I don't think my time Richmond has done. Like he had this, like flare of his eyes while he was listening. Like wait, you're about to say no to me. And it's like, dude, this is your number one draft pick. You're like, oh, you're the core of my and listen, it's smart. You build a soccer team, you want midfielders and but like he go, the concept of like who are you to waste my time?
Speaker 2:Like you know what I mean. Like I, that is so. Oh my god, oh man, that rubs me the wrong way. God damn, that rubs me the wrong. I don't know if there's anything you can like, because it's such an iniquity and it's just like, are you like?
Speaker 2:But he believes that it's, it's no different than, uh, you know, like a caste system. Or you know one person thinking like, oh, I, I, I, by virtue of whatever fill in the blanks I am a more important being on this planet than you. It's like what? The is great, we're all. We all die the same way, we all have. You know, we're all mortal. I don't, whatever just does not compute for me. But um kufo goes out and then he does this. Great, I think it's great. I think it's um. Again, I think it's great, because it's very difficult to do and even harder to pull off, and he generally pulls it off. He, there's a mannequin with no head, he, he strangles it and very slowly brings it down to the ground and slams it down on the ground. Then he squats over it and poops and he yells, poop, poop, gives him the finger and then we're out. Sam obviously thinks he made the wrong decision.
Speaker 3:Well, clearly, I mean, you definitely, definitely want your future in the hands of this guy, definitely want your future in the hands of this guy. But I don't think it should be lost that Higgins is taking in the insanity down the hallway and then looking in through the window in the door at Sam, because, remember, for all Higgins knows he's about to get the hey, you've been great, but I'm going to go the other way. Higgins doesn't know what the answer is.
Speaker 3:So he's finding the way he finds out that Sam is staying in Richmond is because a kufo is down the hallway pantomiming, shitting on the head of a headless mannequin in a richmond kit. That's.
Speaker 2:That's how he got the news yeah, and you have to think like a bunny rabbit like higgins, uh, this would be a lot of conflict. Yes, you know, like I could you figure higgins probably like goes and sucks his thumb a little bit after this, or you know, he's like jesus christ, like there's just a lot, it's just a lot people who are this, uh, you know, sort of overtly attacking you, just go, wow, you know it's it's not the same thing, but I will say I grew up and I can't.
Speaker 3:I could rattle off scenes and the details of them aren't as important as the overall. I grew up around a lot of chaos, like just in my life, like in the neighborhood people would be blowing up, yelling at people. You know, even in my own family Like I can tell you a story of time my brother threw a bottle at my father. I mean it's crazy, right, it's just like fucking crazy. And there's something every once in a while. I'm around someone who didn't grow up around that kind of chaos when some chaos goes down and I'm like, oh, poor thing.
Speaker 3:Like I just want to hug because I'm like oh yeah, you must feel like the world's coming to an end. No, no, no no, let's go grab lunch. It's fine. It's fine, but it's not fine. It's actually not fine. I am the one who's out of the the ordinary here, but I'm telling you, people getting like screaming matches and I'm just like, um, I think I'll have the french toast, like I don't okay, whatever, it doesn't affect you if you grew up in it.
Speaker 2:Boss talked about this a few episodes ago where conflict is. You know it was funny and I should have quoted this. There was a. I noticed some I was reading some oh damn it, but they were talking about conflict. I forget what I was reading and they're like, conflict is the starting point of of resolution, like it like and so how you? And so boss was saying, oh listen, I don't mind people yelling and getting if they know that they're. It's not like threat of physical violence or anything like that. Boss didn't mind.
Speaker 2:In her own family a little, some raised voices or people digging in a little bit, because that's where that's how things are worked out in a lot of different families. But it is true when you have at least. I grew up in a crazy house, julianna grew up in the opposite. They're the loveliest people in the world and so I'm totally fine with, like, everything exploding around me and you know it's just a weird, it's a weird, it's a weird. I don't know if it's an advantage, but I, but I know it makes you not as shy around conflict. You know you're not as as effective.
Speaker 4:I think it can be an advantage. I don't think it automatically gives you one, but it depends on how you want to roll with that If you decide. I have known people who have grown up in conflict that instead of leaning into it and saying we can yell and fight and it'll be fine, they instead say conflict is bad, I can't ever do it. And so then they become confrontation averse to the point where they will let things go even when they want to talk about them, because they don't want to have the confrontation or the conflict. So I don't think it necessarily is one or the other. It just it's how you process it.
Speaker 3:It's funny you mentioned that piece. The thing that I've often reacted to is, to me, ok, if there's a problem with me, doesn't go, doesn't have the conflict, but it's just this sort of ongoing hum of we got a problem here, like, like, there's definitely the portion of me like that upbringing, there's a portion of me that that brings me to look, man, you got something to say? Fucking say it.
Speaker 3:Like there's a level to which I would if I'm Sam. I appreciate everyone losing their shit over walking out like we're good and then me here two months later that he said I was an asshole, like I was, like you got a problem with me. Now If I find out the other way? Now I got a problem with you. Yeah. Now If I find out the?
Speaker 4:other way. Now I got power too. Yeah, I swear to God, if he had shaken Sam's hand and said I'm so sorry to hear that, I'd have been fucking terrified that means that he is coming back with some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah Right, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2:It would be much more of a power move yeah.
Speaker 4:It's very childish yeah this blowing up nonsense like absolutely, the yeah, it's very childish. Yeah, this blowing up nonsense Like absolutely, if the quieter and quieter somebody gets, I'm like, ah, I'm going to fucking die, oh, they're going to, they're going to get me so good. It's good If I ever get quiet around you. Fucking not good. Board, board it up. I love, I love it.
Speaker 3:It's like I love. It's like think of a riot and do everything you would do to get ready for said riot and then maybe you'll be ready. That's great, it's true.
Speaker 2:So we cut from there to the appropriately, we cut to press conference and Coach walk us through. Ted is sitting at the front. Okay, y'all, hey settle down y'all.
Speaker 3:Hey, settle down y'all. At this point, very reminiscent of Ted's first very nice bookend to Ted not being able to drink water. And Coach, walk us through this one. I want to address the article written by our good friend Trent Krim from the and he looks over at the seat where Trent's been all that time and that seat is empty. Cameras are going, or rather, I want to share with you all the truth about my recent struggles with anxiety and, well, my overall concern about the way we discuss and deal with mental health in athletics.
Speaker 3:We discuss and deal with mental health in athletics, I was really glad they put that in here, and I know we've had other PSA moments that we thought I was really, really glad they put that in here, I think. Yeah, anyway, I've shared my own stories in terms of dealing with depression, anxiety and so on, and I think there's just this fake. It's sort of another version of the faking that we're okay and shaking my hand and walking out. I think we do people a real disservice when we demand that they show us okay, no matter what they're actually experiencing. So yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I know it's a little psa, but I was glad I'm such a fan I I every time some athlete talks about their mental uh health and they I go. I want to go to bat for him. Um, one of my favorite football players of all time is a receiver named brandon marshall yeah, he got into so much shit growing up he always made stupid decisions.
Speaker 2:He fucking just put himself. He was just an idiot that put himself in bad spots and all he's done once I think what he got was a great wife. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. He married up and and she just opened his eyes and all he's been working for for years and years and years is mental health awareness and he's been honest about his problems and honest about and I remember um nuke hopkins, um, there's another receiver, one of the best receivers to ever play the game, and I remember him saying, yeah, I'm in therapy, like it was this little thing, and I was like wait, what? Like it's one thing to say it in the in the sporting Like. It's one thing to say it in the in the sporting community, it's another thing to say it in the black community and and and that better than that.
Speaker 2:But there's levels, right, and but anytime someone that has that kind of bravery and that kind of honesty, it just especially in the, in the, you know we talk about toxic masculinity and where is it more prevalent than the NFL? And so to face those moments head on and talk about mental health is it's like when people split up healthcare and mental healthcare. It makes me I just want to I know, I know what part of basic human.
Speaker 2:I just do not get it. And every time people assume we know everything, doctors figure out something else. And again, coach and I both were diagnosed with ADHD much later in our 40s. We still have friends who roll their eyes and don't think it's real. I know, I know.
Speaker 3:But here's, yes, that is true and that can be challenging.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I have this what I will share if there's anybody out there who's struggling, or maybe you're in a circle where people are less open to the conversation and so on for me me, I've made humongous strides forward over the last few years. Personally, my own experience of life and one of the key elements of that, has been being able to just sit with the thing I'm actually feeling. I am pissed off, I sit here and be pissed off for a second. Now, sometimes that means go do something about the pissed off. Sometimes that means read a book, sometimes that means take a nap, but just being with it. So I think one of the reasons I love this here and I love Brandon March from Luke Hopkins and all the people who said hold on a second, pay attention is if you'll do that, then there's something you can do about it and there's something you can be aware of and in charge of. And until you do that, then it comes out in all sorts of bizarre ways and people behave and they make you oh wait where are you?
Speaker 3:and I'm like the number of drunken you know, of hangover apologies in my life would be cut in half if I could have just spent some time going. All right, this is anxiety, right, but you know, we encourage almost anything else where it would have been far more acceptable and far more bizarrely respectable to be getting in bar fights a couple of times a week than to say, oh yeah, once a week I go sit on, you know, sit in somebody's office and tell them what's going on with me, and that's insane.
Speaker 2:That is insane. That is, that is.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it that that part is incredibly insane, and the other thing that bothers me so much about it is there is a very strong urge, especially in repressed, wasp-y Midwestern culture, to pretend that everything is fine, to ignore the issues to not address them.
Speaker 4:If you don't pay attention to them, we'll be fine, like why are you talking about the bad thing? Talking about the bad thing calls attention to it, but there are also times where just saying out loud the bad thing robs it of its power. Like the way to feel better is you say I am afraid I'm not going to get this promotion and I don't know what's going to happen after that. And if you say it out loud to somebody else, they're like either we'll come up with a game plan, or how about if we just wait until we find out? Like we will figure this out? So it's. It's saying it out loud is so important in order to help you deal with it.
Speaker 2:and the fact that people are like don't talk about your problems is the absolute worst fucking thing yeah, no, it's funny because the, the cultures that have taken over big parts of the world, are historically, you know, repressive and don't have a philosophy of open communication. You know what I mean. So it's like you're sort of fighting it everywhere you look and it's like, oh man, um, you know, point to a, a world system where openness and kindness and, you know, being honest about your limitations, especially as a man, is the norm. It's just like it's so crazy how humans have allowed, you know, this to become a point of weakness instead of a point of strength. Insane Boss, will you walk us through now, ted, we, we, we. We cut from from that scene to Rebecca's office. We get a, we get a shot of a single of Rebecca at her desk. And will you walk us through this boss?
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely so. After he gets done, saying that, Ted comes up and says, hey boss, just wanted to congratulate you on your promotion, and she says you too, Ted Champagne to celebrate Says no, I'll just take a glass of water, please. Big water day for him, apparently. And she jokingly kind of says still, or sparkling. He said, yes, still Right. You know, before living here I used to think that still water was just folks saying that it was still water. You know, like it was water and it continues to remain to be water. At this point I need to I'm sure I've said it before, but call out Mitch Hedberg's phenomenal joke of I used to do drugs, I still do, but I used to do them also. Yes, yes, Because I fucking love do drugs, I still do but I used to do them also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, cause I fucking love that guy.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, every fucking line was like that. Um, so after that, uh, uh, she says well, there is no greater education than travel. And he says hey, freaking man.
Speaker 2:It's like the most dismissive, yeah, like british well um anyway, so funny. So on on brand for each one of them. Okay, sorry, keep going uh uh.
Speaker 4:Says so well, hey, next season should be fun, right? Uh, well, that will include one of our. Well, that'll include an old friend. Rupert bought west ham united and he says did? He now said well, that'll be a nice change, having our run-ins with him being scheduled, as opposed to his normal sneak attacks. And which excellent point. Because rupert is an asshole and will intentionally show up at places that he shouldn't, when he shouldn't be there, in order to ruin rebecca's day yeah, he's good.
Speaker 2:He's good with that he's great with that. That's a sure sign that he's over her and done with it uh, it's funny ted and and keely had generally the same response about rupert, like oh okay, this will be. This will standardize it a little bit more. It's funny that they both had that sort of yeah, I, I generally like I.
Speaker 4:I could actually see, though, that the surprise of a person would be somehow worse. Um, oh yeah it, it, I, uh have said before that one of my favorite things about jeremy allen white going from being the love of my life as lip gallagher to being Carmen Berzato on the Bear is that when he became, when he started becoming a meme, when he started showing up, like on Twitter and stuff, it was like running into a crush, which is a thing that doesn't happen to you when you're a 43-year-old woman in a long-term relationship.
Speaker 4:Right you never see somebody that you aren't expecting to see, that you have feelings for, so, like all of a sudden, he would be on Twitter and so yes, there's. In the same way, seeing somebody you hate when you weren't expecting to is not a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 2:No, especially when it's Rupert.
Speaker 4:God, especially when it's fun, rupert.
Speaker 2:So Sam walks in and says hi, Rebecca, Ted is now sitting on the couch. So Sam walks in and says hi, Rebecca, Ted is now sitting on the couch and you know he sees Ted there. And Coach oh, yes, yeah, oh, hey, Coach, Hi.
Speaker 4:Rebecca. Oh, yes, it's. If not, if everyone in the room had not known beforehand what was going on with them, everyone in the room would have known after this. This is yeah.
Speaker 2:I am hoping Ted would pick up on this at least. Yeah for sure. Rebecca looks like a deer caught in the headlights.
Speaker 2:She's just kind of stuck. It's a great shot. Hannah Wattingham man. Oh God damn, she's so good, so she's just sitting there. Sam is about to peace out and maybe he's like sorry, and he's about to hit the dusty trail. Ted says no, hey, sam, go ahead, stick around. I was getting ready to leave. And you know, rebecca says no. No, ted stay. No, it's okay, so he sits down. Why would you? No, it's okay, so he, he sits down.
Speaker 4:Why would you tell him it's okay to stay Like? I mean, this is not how you make this less awkward.
Speaker 2:Like there's not, it's just. Yeah, I mean, it's just polite in one way, but it's also. It's also like trying to head off, like I don't know, I don't know it's so interesting, oh no, no, it's fine, I'm sure it's. You know, like I don't know, it's really it's an interesting choice. He just sits down super awkward and then what happens here, boss?
Speaker 4:uh well. Then he says oh okay, well, um, uh, in that case, I just wanted to let you both know that I've decided to stay. To which ted says hey, that's great, sam.
Speaker 2:And rebecca finally says uh, yes, I'm glad to hear that, sam how did rebecca breathe for the first time since he walked in there, like she literally like exhales. He's like, oh, thank god, uh, and yeah, that's great sam oh, that's great, oh, okay.
Speaker 4:And then, of course, how did Edwin Okufo take the news? Not well, he stormed off. He's already halfway back to Ghana. Oh shoot, I was really looking forward to getting that final goodbye handshake from Francis. Is Ted's only response? Not that the billionaire who was here trying to form a professional team or poach one of their best players, none of that. Just, I was really looking forward to that other handshake.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, listen, coach, if uh coach, uh uh coach bishop. Um god, I remember him so fun. You remember him. Uh, remember he used to be on this podcast.
Speaker 4:I do Apparently power outages.
Speaker 2:Power outages in Los Angeles have foiled Coach Bishop so that he will miss the end of the final episode.
Speaker 4:Either that or he just decided to bounce, and this was the easiest way of getting it done.
Speaker 2:He just hates Ted Lasso. He's like I I have no love left for the show and I can't possibly talk about it for one more second. But yeah, coach Bishop, if he were here he would definitely say that it's on brand for Ted to appreciate the, the handshake from the, from an assistant as much as, um, you know, any interaction with the billionaire, because for ted there's no such thing as a small interaction. That goes right back to to our very first episode boss, very first recording um, ted. I remember coach bishop saying I think ted would say, like what is a small interaction? There's no such thing. So he says why did you decide to stay?
Speaker 4:Ted wants to know and he says I wish I could say it was because of my feelings for you, but the truth is, I think I need to stop worrying about how others feel about me. I'm staying because it's what's best for me in my personal journey, because it's what's best for me in my personal journey, which so I understand why. I have mentioned before having issues with platitudes and how they are often insufficient in a lot of circumstances. I was talking this weekend about the idea of he'd give you the shirt off his back. He's such a nice guy, he'd give you the shirt off his back and I think, if you stop to think about it for a second, what's sort of underneath that? Number one does that mean he has a shirt at home? Are we giving somebody credit because they have the privilege of being able to give away things and we need to keep that in perspective. Number two it's definitely a man, because a woman couldn't give you the shirt off her back, because the woman giving you the shirt off her back would be arrested for indecency.
Speaker 4:That'd be a whole fucking thing what a, what a hard invited in by me there he is, he's back hi, welcome back, coach, welcome back um, but so just a lot of what he is doing is recognizing that basing the decisions in his life on other people's wants or needs isn't going to ultimately serve him or the other people. So when he says I need to figure this out for myself that focusing on what is best for you isn't inherently selfish, and I think sometimes, especially in our bifurcated sort of way, we say if you do for other people, that's good, and if you do for yourself, that's bad and he is figuring out that there is actually the much better middle ground where you take care of yourself so that you can take care of other people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no. This is very well said. It's something I've learned, I think, the hard way that you have to take care of yourself. I remember, uh, growing up, my mom would eat last and, and it was like a thing that she would do to be like, oh, look, how I love my family, and I naturally adopted it with my, with my family, and then I was like, wait a second, this is like some martyrdom bullshit, like this is like some, yeah, performative. I'm like, no, I'm like sometimes, when I'm cooking, I'll be like I do most of the cooking for our family, um, and I'll be like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna eat some, I'm gonna eat some of whatever I'm cooking.
Speaker 2:So I have the energy to finish the goddamn cooking. Sometimes, especially, I tend to be one of those people where, um, there's like a period, it's like right around dinner time, like between 5 and 5 30, my, my, just my. I don't know if it's insulin level dips or whatever I just get. I get worn out, and that's a perfect time. It's usually when I'm cooking and, uh, so you get a little snack, you get a little, uh little bite of dinner before everybody else and all of a sudden, you have the energy to push through. So, yeah, you do have to and I I like this about what Sam says, like I've taken the time to think about my personal journey and this is the. This is the right move. It does not feel selfish.
Speaker 4:Did you ever consider how it was that mama bear's porridge was too cold, even though papa bear's was too hot and baby bear's was just right?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I never thought of that, but you're out, you're absolutely right, yeah she absolutely didn't eat so that she could get a dish for either one of them yeah, yep, yeah, that's very wow yeah no, I really am like, yeah, my one got if it's very Wow, yeah, no, I really Mind blown.
Speaker 3:It's funny that just came up because I'm trying to remember where, but somebody was referencing that story recently and pointed out that we were taught Was it you?
Speaker 4:No, no, no, but that might have been on threads or someplace yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe because they pointed out that we were taught to root against the bears when all they were doing was protecting their house. It's our house, it's our parrots, it's our beds. What the fuck's going on?
Speaker 4:here, A blonde bitch rolls into your house and steals your food and passes out in your bed and we're like oh, those mean bears no.
Speaker 3:Absolute, bullshit. No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. This is exactly Look no further than fairy tales. I mean, Jack and the Beanstalk is about a little shit that comes up in the schools. He's an asshole. Yeah, he's a total asshole. Steals from some giants minding their own business.
Speaker 3:Minding their own business. Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2:So Sam says this very profound thing, Rebecca is kind of just shocked and Ted says what here, coach?
Speaker 3:So Rebecca sits down, they're right in there, win the whole fucking thing blocking and Ted is processing. That was kind of intense for everybody and he says he might have been talking to you when he yes, I know that, ted, which I don't know why I enjoyed that as much as I did, but I very much enjoyed it I laughed out loud.
Speaker 2:He might have been talking to you when he was looking at me. No, fucking shit that's great.
Speaker 3:And then she frankly inhales and the entire flute of champagne oh yeah and yes, ted says, oh hell, you crushed that, which it just makes me think, like ted has had many a drinking night. Like we are catching ted on the maybe I shouldn't quite drink as much as I do. Part of his life which I've had, I've had that phase, so I get it. But he still, like he knows the mechanics of it, like he knows what to say, he knows how it goes, he knows where beer's headed after that crushing defeat, he knows all of it. And yeah, so you crushed that. Yeah, it was a lot Sam, sam, sam, sam. Be all grown up.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, no, he really, yeah, no, it's a powerful moment. Rebecca's going to have to take a beat To absorb All of the ramifications Of Sam staying. I think you, you know, in that same way, it feels like a lot of people had prepared for the worst. With sam, it's a very difficult offer to to pass up. You know, sort of be the hub of a whole franchise and um, it's, uh, I also, it's how I prepare my kids.
Speaker 2:I'm like assume it's not going to go your way and then, if it does, you know, I don't know if it's good parenting or not, but it's a trick that I always use where I just say like okay, like I'm not going to slide all my chips in and bank on like the best possible outcome happening because it so rarely does. Ted then walks. We cut to Ted walking outside through the gates, through the door that goes to the innards of Nelson Road, and he's out in the parking lot where I mean so many things. It's like when first we saw, kind of fell in love with Roy and so many other great moments in this parking lot and as he walks past-.
Speaker 3:By the way, he also waited here for jamie. When jamie tried, just for flash, we saw jamie's potential. Uh, lasso away, goodness, but the exact same configuration. Now it's day.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly right, that's right. Trent was waiting here and jamie almost got away with it and then turned back and was a total early, early era. Jamie tart, that's right. Um, and trent says what here? Uh, coach coach lasso.
Speaker 3:And, uh, ted's excited. Hey, there he is. I was worried about you. I thought you might have been in a bike accident. Which very specific thing to say, um, but we understand why he might've said that specifically. And then, actually, I don't know how to ride a bicycle.
Speaker 3:I didn't remember that line significant. And then, really, that surprises me. Why? Because of the hair and the whole vibe, yeah, I guess. So why the heck weren't you at the press conference? Because I am no longer a reporter. I was fired. When they found out I revealed an anonymous source. Oh snap, I didn't say anything, I promise. No, I know, ted, I did. I'm looking for something different. Deeper says you got to follow your bliss, right, sorry, you're out of a job. You know what this makes you. Now, though, right, trent cram independent. And then, uh, trent chuckles and says yeah, my father made the same joke. Um, and then the next line made me laugh out loud, which was yeah, he sounds like a cool guy. No, he does not sound like a cool guy, ted, he sounds. He does not sound like a cool guy, ted. He sounds like the fucking opposite of a cool guy.
Speaker 3:So I just, oh God, I love this man. It's so funny.
Speaker 2:It's so brutal.
Speaker 3:Oh God awful. Well, I hope our paths cross again soon, trent, as do I, ted, I love our chats. He offers him a ride. Well, I prefer to walk, but I appreciate you and Ted, good luck next season. He calls after him, they part ways and he goes to open. And Trent goes to open his car and realizes he has locked himself out of his car. He's going nowhere Interesting himself out of his car.
Speaker 2:He's going nowhere. Interesting. I mean I, I was like that is such a weird cut, like what. I was like what is the statement why? I was like they just needed an out and they're like, oh, maybe he locked himself out of his car, like, okay, yeah, keep that. I'm like what is? Because? Trend is like very, he's drawn tight, like he's, he's, he's, he's, he's not, he doesn't you know, sort of present as a fuck up. Well, it's interesting. Oh, now that he's not a journalist, now everything's going to fall apart. For I was like what is well?
Speaker 3:anyway, I don't, I'm not sure, I'm not sure about that, but I but I'll, but I'll. Sometimes I think we do things Despite ourselves and when you know you forget something at someone's place, or this or that, I think, we leave there and Trent Is at the moment unable to leave Richmond behind. I think that's an interesting piece of writing, yeah that's very interesting, I like that.
Speaker 2:Take quite a bit of writing. Yeah, that's very interesting, I like that. I like that take quite a bit. I just thought it would have been like, oh, we would have cut on. Oh, why don't we get some Indian food, or why don't we like? Yeah, I'd like that, and then I believe there's a hundred ways to cut out of this, but then we go to black. I Shit season's over.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, they just. They really wanted you to know about Trent, what was happening with him. I would only like to briefly I'm not going to relitigate any of this I would like to briefly mention that reminded me a lot of the line from Star Wars about how a lot of Bothan spies died in order to get the Death Star plans out. And when you make a sacrifice, the sacrifice needs to be honored. So ifrent was the one that gave ted the information and then ratted himself out so that it would be on the up and up.
Speaker 3:I do feel like ted owed that information a bit more than he did with it yeah, star wars rogue one huh, you know, that's an interesting angle on that part of the conversation and I I hear what you're saying about not relitigating it, but I do think.
Speaker 3:But I'm gonna do it anyway no, no but no, but I drop in america, but I think, ted, I think, yeah, I didn't think about it that way, but is there a level of it was done like almost like in vain, like I told you what was happening, you allowed the chaos to continue. Trent must know that Nate was on the sideline today. I mean, I don't know, I don't get the sense from this exchange that he's like what the fuck? What's he still doing working here. But I get what you're saying. I think there's something there.
Speaker 4:I don't think it was expressed, but it felt that way for me.
Speaker 2:So five days later, boss, five days later, and what happens?
Speaker 4:Um Keely is moving out of her office at Richmond in order to go form her own startup and be the CEO. Uh, roy walks in. This is the last of it. Uh, yeah, just these and Trixabel. And he says right, I got you a last day working in the same building, present here, and she says airplane tickets, you got me airplane tickets. Uh, to Maribel, how did you get these actually printed tickets? She said for my travel agent, kathy. She's old school, not like you, roy, not like having a travel agent. Definitely Kathy is the one that's old school, not that's really funny.
Speaker 4:Roy, are you sure they still Take paper tickets at airports? Like is the plane going to have Propellers? Oh my god, am I going to have propellers? Oh my god, am I going to be able to smoke on the flight Right? Stop it.
Speaker 3:That was great.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that does, that's. Funny. That's very funny, I have seen Just flying in the past Flying in the past you still shouldn't smoke on airplanes. I can't believe they tell you to turn off your cell phones, but they used to let you fucking smoke cigarettes on an airplane. It's fine, fine, whatever that cell phone is it's a lie keep going um, it's a lie, right, stop it.
Speaker 4:You are missing the point. Tomorrow, you and I are going to a villa by the sea for six weeks so you can chill out before you start kicking ass in your new job. And I'm going to take the first holiday since I was a child where I don't have to stay in shape or rehab my fucking knee. I'm going to gorge myself to death on tapas and it'll take fucking ages. And she says babe, thank you, but I can't go. What? Why not? I don't start work in six weeks? I started like a week ago.
Speaker 4:And he says yeah, I know, that's why I made sure the place had proper Wi-Fi and everything and you could do your emails and shit, but from the balcony with a sea view. And she says Roy, I'd love to, but I can't. I just can't, which is exactly what you want your partner to say when you plan a an exciting getaway. We'll talk about this in a second. But maybe six weeks is a bit much, roy. Maybe a weekend would have been a better way of starting A little aggressive a little aggressive a little aggressive, Um.
Speaker 4:But then she says but you should go. And he says are we breaking up? And she says, no, why would you say that? Of course not. You are going to take a well-earned holiday, while I lock myself in a dark room and work nonstop and I will see you in six weeks. And he says Keely. And she says, Roy, I love you, We'll be fine, I'll see you in six weeks. It doesn't bode well for them actually seeing each other in six weeks.
Speaker 3:Well, it's interesting because I had a lot of reactions to this, because I remember I was more with Roy emotionally, like I was feeling his, I guess, because he's the one that's hurting in the scene. So I'm kind of like, oh no, emotionally, like I was feeling his, I guess, because he's the one that's hurting in the scene. So I'm kind of like, oh no, and and I got where he had been already feeling, um, anxious or whatever the right word is, and this would only add to it. Got that part. I think it's a real, um, okay, I, I think it's a real, okay, I think it is. It says a lot about how much we bring to conversations in terms of what's being said to us and how we process it. That she could not say anything here that actually was going to help him get rid of the anxiety.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah, that's in the same way. Right, get rid of the anxiety. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's in the same way, right, she's crystal clear, right, she's not. Like you know what? Why don't you go? You know? It's like I will see you in six weeks, I love you. Like it's all the right things, perfectly said, and he can't hear it. He's like, yeah, that's what you say now Interesting.
Speaker 4:Well, because I watch too much TV, I will say that this was already cursed, because Diane Chambers said to Sam Malone I'll see you in six months.
Speaker 2:Is that real, that's real.
Speaker 4:Yeah, these bastards.
Speaker 3:They're so slick with it. Oh my God.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we had. We had to know that that was not going to be ideal. It wasn't ideal Also that Roy allowed his anxiety to convince him to plan the six week vacation without consulting her or or without considering what it does.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:This was him saying I'm giving you this great thing. Hang on, please. Stay here, please. And it's like no if you had given her what she needed what she needed was a little bit of space right now and your security in the relationship. I think it would have gone way better.
Speaker 2:I really love hearing both of you have have takes on this. I I was wounded because I was like I thought roy did a really good job. I thought he put a lot of effort, he got the wi-fi. He's like it's not like he's like clueless about what she's up to, but yet still, even with all that, she's like for whatever reason, she just can't. And I'm like man, that's like because he, he put the effort in, he really thought about this. Yeah, he, you know, found the right situation. He's like you're just at your desk at home I know you started already, but you don't have to be here for this and then she's like like it just was, it was like a non-starter for her. She's like, yeah, no, I can't. I just in her mind, she couldn't get past it. And, and she gets, she has the right to you know well the decision for herself. Obviously she definitely has the right.
Speaker 2:It felt like a rejection, right, I don't, certainly she didn't mean it for for it to be a rejection, but it's hard to. It's actually like hyper rational. Because she's like, well, no, I can't, and that sucks. I don't want to go into why. There's like, well, no, I can't, and that sucks, I don't want to go into why. There's like a million reasons. Maybe it's just she just can't because mentally she needs to be near Whatever, who knows, it doesn't matter. But she's like well, you should go. She doesn't want to limit him. She's actually saying something kind to be starting this business, but I don't know. It's tough. I know where he was hearing.
Speaker 3:It definitely could be, because I felt from I think in part it's funny. I don't know that I was in touch with him until you just said that, but there's so much around that I'm aware of around women talking about the guy planning things or thinking through and, you know, it seemed like he checked all the boxes, like even when she said I've been working for a week and he's like I know, like it wasn't like you have, which I could totally see happening even in a solid relationship. So, yeah, I guess I was like oof.
Speaker 3:Looking at it now, I think I would have if I'm, you know, if I'm a diamond dog and Roy brings it to us, I think I say, well, don't go, then you don't go. Go when both of you can go. Yeah, don't go alone and sit there and be upset, or bring a friend go alone and bring a friend, bring me.
Speaker 4:If I'm beard, I'm like I have six weeks yeah, let's go have a romantic.
Speaker 2:He leaves the tickets on, yeah, yeah, he leaves the tickets on the desk and growls the tricksy bell and I'm like, wow, okay, that's the end of uh, season two. But lo and behold, nope. Now, three weeks later, this, this is a real, this is a like in the in the industry. These little car like this is like sort of a mark of shame I don't know how to describe, but it's like you couldn't fit it into the main narrative. So now you're like, oh tack on a few extra bullshit things and and every time.
Speaker 2:So every time there's a new one, I my insides tense up.
Speaker 3:I'm like yeah, I definitely had. I definitely had some of that. Like now you guys, you know you're not supposed to be doing but yeah, it's fine, I love ted lasso, but yeah, I definitely was aware that. Like what do you mean? Five weeks later, three weeks, what's going on here?
Speaker 2:yeah, what and why is it different increment anyway. So three weeks later coach what happens here all right.
Speaker 3:So three weeks later, we fade up and sam obisanya is staring at something, and then there's a woman standing next to him. She hands him some keys, he pulls out his phone and takes a picture. What, what's it going to be? I want to know too. What are we looking at? A Nigerian restaurant. Edwin Akufo planted a seed a different and it played out different than he thought. Instead of Sam having to go home, he's going to bring a bit of home to his new home, and that's pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 2:So I thought I was like oh, and then, okay, that's it for the season. That's it, we go to black. That's it for the season and no code, is that?
Speaker 3:wait. Oh, I see, I see more words.
Speaker 2:I see more words on the screen oh no, it can't possibly be so we, what do we jump? Five weeks later, three.
Speaker 3:Three weeks, then three weeks and now two months, oh wait Five days, it can't be months.
Speaker 2:Five days, oh, no, five days, oh excuse me, then the three weeks, three weeks Two months.
Speaker 4:Yes, Right.
Speaker 2:And here we go. No, that can't be, that can't be. Oh, okay, all right.
Speaker 3:What coach? So we get move. I want to fast to move. We've got players all in white. It's all very orchestrated, very sharp players move when they're told coaches are standing and watching. We've got one coach standing in faith. Wait is that? Wait is that rupert? Rupert comes in and whispers to whoever is supervising all of this, and this person, it's Nate. Nate, the not very great, is now coaching West Ham and we end the season on a close-up of Nate's barely smirking face. He is fully turned on the good guys and he is totally on the side of the dark forces. Dark lord.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is it. There's no more leaps forward in time, no more. Eight years later, that is the end of season two of Ted Lasso.
Speaker 3:It was it was interesting in how you can get things in it, because we were so happy for Nate or I guess we were supposed to be at the end at this point season one. He's just become an assistant coach. I mean, players are actually like lifting him up. There's a whole elaborate, you know prank to bring back our April Fool's theme. There's this whole elaborate prank to get him and tell him about his promotion. And how far is that from where we land now that he has completely betrayed everything Richmond stands for and is, uh, working for Rupert?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's how. That's how coach is going to do it with the, with the black star, la black star, you're going to betray everything. Oh yeah, you wait and see.
Speaker 3:You wait and see.
Speaker 4:What else is why? Why even have a team if you're not going to betray it? That's the best part about sports, just loving the shit out of something for you know like 5, 6 decades, and then being like nah, fuck it, I'm just going to get a due team, I'm just going to roll. I don't know, are the Yankees good? Maybe I'll be a fan of that. Are the Yankees good?
Speaker 3:Maybe I'll be a fan of that. Are the Yankees good? That's funny. That's funny I am, so I'm so true to like my own rules around teams. So I officially put the Knicks down because I root for Nick, since I was like a little kid Like when basketball players were wearing the short shorts I'm talking about Trent Tucker, roy Sparrow, google it, kids. Basketball players were wearing the short shorts. I'm talking about Trent Tucker, rory Sparrow, google it, kids. And I, finally, with their new ownership, or with the ownership with James Dolan, was like I can't, I can't be a part of this anymore. So I put them down and they are presently on an amazing run and I am so happy for every single Knicks fan that has suffered and gone through this, but I have made it clear Like I cannot hop back on now. He's still the owner. I said I'm out, I'm happy for y'all, but I'm not a Knicks fan right now. I just can't, I can't do it. I cannot do it.
Speaker 2:So yeah we all have our rules. We all have our rules. No, I like it. Yeah, no, it's got to feel right. Especially, it doesn't feel right to root for a team, of all things. It's so. It's such a construct to root for sports or whatever, to jump on a bandwagon if your heart's not in it.
Speaker 3:Now I'm going to jump around and go oh yeah, no, but I'm happy for them that I'm glad for them I like sports, I like sport, sport, I like sport.
Speaker 2:Yep, how do?
Speaker 4:you do about math?
Speaker 2:I can't get enough. Yeah, there you go. Uh, not as much into math. Actually I have a. I have a much larger appreciation for maths since I had a child who likes the maths. He was a math prodigy and has explained it to me in a way that I finally understand maths for the first time in my 50s. It's crazy, they don't do a good job teaching maths. My son always laughs about. He did this great video where he's like I know everybody hates math, but can you just not hate math? Please don't hate math. He's like math is great, math is the language of the universe. When they put you in school and they cram you into a corner with math and they go oh, you're going to like math, you're going to learn math, math is important. He's like that's not math, math, that's society. You want to be mad at society? That's fine, don't be mad at math.
Speaker 3:Math is beautiful. That's great. I love. I love every. I love every bit of that. I love every.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I ever shared that video with you.
Speaker 3:Coach it is no, I don't know that it was just like he got frustrated one day and made this little video.
Speaker 2:Uh, that's really, really great um, yeah, no, I, I love it. I love sports. I love Ted Lasso, always will love Ted Lasso. This is it for our coverage of Ted Lasso. This is our last official Ted Lasso. I never was certain that we would get here to this moment, was certain that we would get here to this moment. Coach and boss, I want to thank you for all of the hours. I mean. Luckily we got Rich off this podcast. Thank God, I was so tired of being nice to people Made a lot.
Speaker 3:I'll never wait for anyone again. Here we go.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine? I mean, that's the point. No, for those. All we do is lose money, but we love it. We love it. It's worth it. The people we've met make it all worth it. Someday, maybe we'll break even with this podcast. We are not vanishing. We will finish up Wayne. We have a couple episodes of Wayne the best probably two episodes. Oh man, I cannot wait for Boss and Coach to see these two episodes. It's not what you think. And yeah, I want to thank everyone. So many of you have been with us from the very beginning, suffering through Boss's laugh, which is you know Horrific.
Speaker 2:Yeah, horrific, yeah. And you know putting up with, you know Coach is. Let's face it, he's a hard man to like. You don't naturally gravitate toward him. He's not just a lot of fun smart, funny, engaging. I've been so honored to spend this time with Emily and with Orlando. It is one of the greatest sort of vocational things I've ever been part of. It really means the world to respect the people you work with, and that extends to the family that we've built here on the podcast, our buttercups.
Speaker 2:Everyone that listens. There are so many of you that are just out there listening every single episode, no matter what we're talking about. Sometimes we have very special episodes. Sometimes it's Ted Lasso, sometimes it's Wayne. We have other shows coming up, but no matter what, we have a diehard audience all over the world, which is crazy.
Speaker 2:We thought if we had like 200 total downloads in the beginning, we would have been thrilled. We're counting ours in the hundreds of thousands now, so it just defies logic. But we're glad that we struck a nerve. We're so happy and honored that you've taken any time of your day to have us in it and if we've done anything to improve your life with a laugh here and there or maybe an insight into something you hadn't thought of with one of the shows we cover. That's incredibly gratifying for us. Thank you, we really mean it from the bottom of our hearts. We are not going away. We will be back. We have so much more coming down the pike, but I want to say a heartfelt thank you to the people who have stuck with us. It means everything to us. Okay.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, coach. No, no, us okay. Uh, go ahead, coach. No, no, I didn't know if you, I didn't. I didn't know if you were passing it or if that was. So I I just, um, quickly want to say, for those of you who may be going through this, uh, you know, long after we've recorded, or after we've recorded or playing catch up, um, obviously maybe a tad confused and not have picked up on the fact that we are finishing season two, there is a season three, but it's the end of our recording of this.
Speaker 3:Um, but I did want to call out coach, uh, because we give him really at least his share of shit and I would. I don't know that I ever would have. Well, maybe eventually when it became like a big sensation, but I certainly wouldn't have known about Ted Lasso when I did, if coach doesn't immediately, knowing me and knowing what I believe in and knowing what I'm about, doesn't call me and say you have to watch this and you have to watch this now. And the timing was amazing, I so needed it. I've talked about that in the season one recordings and, yeah, this has been a blast. I actually discovered some things about myself in this process and I'm really enjoying doing this. So thanks, coach, thank you, coach.
Speaker 2:We learned a lot about Boss too. None of it was fun. No, I'm just here, to watch people.
Speaker 3:The Blood Guy thing was pretty fun.
Speaker 2:I gotta say that was pretty fun okay, well, there was a yeah, the blood guy wasn't bad everything else was terrible.
Speaker 2:Um, boss, thank you so much. Thank you for for always being the voice of reason. Um, I I can't say enough about, about everyone involved with this podcast. Uh, our editor, luke, who has slaved away waiting on pay paychecks. For me, he's a hero and still never, ever, ever sick at sea. Um, just the best dude in the world. Um, if you need an editor for anything, uh, if you have a project, I mean, hire luke, luke mori. He is, um, he's one in a million, one in in many, many millions. So, thank you, luke. Thank you to our producers, thank you to everybody who supported us through this process, thank you to the naysayers who got coach and I fired up, who told us we were being stupid and we never finished this.
Speaker 2:We have now finished one, three, three season show and we're about to finish a one season show after this. And then we have we have a couple couple of great things for you, coach. Where do people find you if they want to find you?
Speaker 3:Sorry, my mouse was a little All right. Here I am. If they want to find me, come check out the community. I mean that, come check out the community. Out the community. I mean that, come check out the community. It is like an extension of that lasso way spirit just that you can inject to any day of your life. Come check us out. Become a Buttercup. You'll be glad you did.
Speaker 2:Boss what about?
Speaker 4:you the social media is. You can find me at Blue Sky, which is Emily Chambers, and at Threads, which is emily. The social medias you can find me at Blue Sky, which is Emily Chambers, and at Threads, which is EmilyChambers.31. Forget the first 30. 31 is where it's at.
Speaker 2:Love it.
Speaker 4:Yep, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's like oh yeah. I don't know why they didn't fix it when it was COVID-19.
Speaker 4:COVID-19 through 18.
Speaker 2:Bastards man alive. You're going to wire this all. 220? Yeah, 220, 221, whatever it takes. Okay, thank you everybody, thank you, thank you, thank you. We truly appreciate you. You mean the world to us. Please don't leave us. Stay with us as we finish up, wayne. Stay with us as we move on to. We have a couple of very special episodes and then our next show. We haven't announced it yet because we are in heavy deliberations, but it's a great. The one that I think we're going to do is an absolutely amazing show, every bit as great as Ted Lasso and Wayne, and we don't want to waste your time with crappy shows, so we try to pick ones that really matter. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for being there for us. You make it all worthwhile. Please support your local libraries and the written word, and until next time we are.
Speaker 3:Richmond.
Speaker 2:Till. We die Till we're done, oh oh. Till we're done oh till we're done. Yeah, yeah, hey, we earned that one. I thought you'd say Richmond till we finish, and then I thought boss was going to make a phrase.
Speaker 4:So we're just not doing phrasing, okay.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's not a thing, thank you. Thank you, everybody. We will be back next time and, yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun, thank you, thank you. Thank you, we'll see you next time.