The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear
It began with Ted Lasso.
It continued with Wayne.
And now we arrive at The Bear.
So much has gone into the masterful creation of these brilliant shows that they deserve deep dives to fully appreciate them. But more than that, shows like this have something to say. Where are we as a civilization? What values do we cherish? What lessons do we learn?
In our very ADHD way, we explore these topics and more, sharing insights into our own lives and connecting them with the messages we take from some of the most impressive creative minds in the industry.
Join Host Coach Castleton, along with Coach Bishop and Boss as they break down the minutiae of every episode and appreciate the magic that makes great shows come to life.
The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear
Ted Lasso | S3 Ep12 Part2 "So Long, Farewell"
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Speaker 3:It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss Without further ado. Coach Castleton Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are exploring Ted Lasso, season three, episode 12. So long, farewell. This is part two. If you're just joining us, feel free to jump over to part one or any of the one million hours of recording that we've done about this show up until this point. If this is the first time you're in here, thank you for taking the plunge this late in the game. My name is Coach Castleton and with me, as always, is Coach Bishop and our boss, emily Chambers.
Speaker 2:So I have to mention as much as I'm looking forward to the discussion today. Earlier at my day job, a coworker who I don't love sent an email saying the credit card processor couldn't find this charge. Why is the bank giving out wrong information? And included a lot of higher ups on the email asking me why this information was wrong. And I immediately got to respond Well, it looks like you gave them the wrong bank account. And then she immediately wrote back well, why didn't anybody update me with this information? And I said I did. Here's the email. And then she said why didn't anybody tell the credit card processor? And I said you said you were going to here is the email.
Speaker 2:Oh so my day peaked at like 805.
Speaker 1:It's all downhill from here Five dunks later.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. How dumb do you have to be? I mean to just sacrifice like self emulation.
Speaker 2:And, honest to God, fantastic. I tried to be professional about it. I wanted it to be like hey, here's the communication that you need to have. But either she does not understand that other people would say obviously this is not finances fault, or she was like just, either she has no awareness of what people think or she has so little ego that she doesn't mind what people think of her. One of those is admirable, and that was it Now. I have plans tonight. I'm going out to dinner. I have a friend coming to visit. My day was still at its best by 807. Everything is downhill. The rest of the week is downhill. It's going to be Friday. I'm going to be like remember Wednesday morning. Remember when that happened.
Speaker 3:That was pretty damn good. I will say that the highlight of my week to this point was getting a message in the Buttercup channel that the Queen of the Buttercups won Jenna. Coach, I'm going to let you say it I got to.
Speaker 2:I read it.
Speaker 3:Boston. I read it the other day. But Jenna posted this, if you guys remember if anyone has been listening to us for a while coach, we had Jenna on the show. She was our very first subscriber. She's a big deal to us and we cherish her. And then we got to meet her. We were trading emails and things, but then we got to meet her in person and she's an absolute delight, as thousands and thousands of people found out listening to her podcast.
Speaker 3:And coach in the course of that was like you know, jenna, I think you're a coach, I think you know you maybe can say I'm not saying it just maybe consider that you might be actually for real soccer coach, because she's an in-depth knowledge, long-time player, student of the game and then over on the community channel coach. What did you read today?
Speaker 1:I read that QOB is now coach QOB, and I am just beside myself Gleeful, welcome to the club. You are going to be absolutely awesome. I'm sure you're awesome already and, yes, that made my day so we're. Our days are off to some fantastic starts over here, because that really that was amazing to read. That really truly enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:We have a longstanding joke on the podcast that coach wants everybody to be a coach. That's right.
Speaker 3:And I want everyone to have ADHD. Mine is a little. I think it's funny. I will say that I def, I def. I just want people who have ADHD to know they have ADHD. That's it, because it's life changing Once you go oh, oh, really Like oh, that's oh. So that's why one billion things across the course of my life, happy just gives you an answer for so many things. I've said before on the podcast that my version of heaven is to be able to just go somewhere and get act like actual, factual answers to every question, like is there intelligent life out there?
Speaker 3:Yes, Okay, where are they? Okay, whatever, can you show me what they look like? Yes, okay, great. And what sort of system is that methane based? Okay, great, like like. I want to know everything, but I also want to know like did? Did Rachel Leviton steal my fucking eraser in third grade? And yes, she did. God knew it. What did she do with it? Okay, here's what she did with it. You know like?
Speaker 1:oh, that stuff kills me. Well, I saw a meme I thought was it was one of those I resemble that remark moments. It said that dating someone with ADHD is like micro dosing Wikipedia, and like I kind of I kind of like laugh side started to cry. Like I was like, oh that's. Oh, that's me, I do that. Like at one point someone said they were going to grow xantham, which you know, and I went, oh, that's the stuff in gum, right, and my cousin just turned to me and was like why, why do?
Speaker 3:you know that, literally knew that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, now I'm. Now I'm concerned about myself, because I knew that.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's contagious.
Speaker 2:Well now, I've always been fairly decent at trivia, especially like pop culture was usually a thing. They'd be like, oh, that woman that was in that one movie. And I'm like, yeah, diane Keaton, everyone knows that. Yeah, no, but xantham gum, like maybe I watched too many cooking shows.
Speaker 3:Maybe, maybe it's the tap chef.
Speaker 1:Okay, it could be yeah, but at any rate, yes, I thought the micro dosing Wikipedia. I kind of wanted to give Daphne a hug at that moment and go. Oh, yeah, yeah this is not easy.
Speaker 3:Well, we're going to pick up today where we left off, which was we had just gotten to the point where we had the sort of we we had entered the finale, the grand finale, the final episode of Ted Lasso. As we know it, because there are, to our knowledge, right now, at this point on the continuum, we have not heard about any spin offs or any additional series or any one one offs. I remember when they, when they ended, they said like we don't know, like you know, maybe we'll be back, maybe they never, they never said like this is it.
Speaker 3:Folks like ships, ships sailing away, so who knows? But at this point we had the courtroom, sort of courtroom punitive sentencing of all of the various transgressions, with only Danny Rojas putting up a fight, standing up. He's so adorable. And also we didn't meant, we forgot to mention, and I'd like to do this, god, he's handsome, you know.
Speaker 1:I say it about Rebecca. I mean they are, mean, it's like especially with the outfit he was wearing.
Speaker 3:he's just like man people that can casually pull off like that, whatever he's got cooking. I'm just like God damn good for you, christopher, and it's like Jesus Christ man.
Speaker 1:At a point when it's like when old Teddy's Teddy's mom Daddy showed up and Rebecca says he does not disappoint, like I was like that's too. That's two women sharing that. Oh yeah, yeah, you do want to meet him, you do.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you that's so damn funny. Boss, are you gonna say something I don't want to know?
Speaker 2:No, I only wanted to agree. I wanted to have on the record vocally agreement on that, yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you'd have to be blind, not to? Not that there's anything wrong with that. The scene is full of beautiful people. You know Jamie and Sam. We've talked about how Sam, effortlessly, can go from adorable to somehow fucking hot. And you're like what the fuck? Like when did that happen? Like are you serious? Like what we talked about, the moment where he's like oh for next time, coach. Like had a physical reaction to it, like I think his shoulders rolled. He was like God damn boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like all right, get it. I mean, that was serious, right there. So the punishments have been handed out.
Speaker 3:We get I forgot to mention the very end we got some nice bowing and shaking. Isaac really stays in character as the judge, if you like, takes it real seriously shaking hands with Will. Then you get right in the center of frame. You get sort of a very polite shake and deep bow between Will and Sam and I was thinking like wow, that is like those are two re, like there's not a. You know. You know, when you say like oh, this dude doesn't have a bad bone in his body, or this, this girl doesn't have, this woman doesn't have a bad bone in her body, like Will and Sam shaking and bowing, I'm like this is there is a lot of character right here in the front, front and center, and so then we have this.
Speaker 3:that's a very nice little moment, but we are now a couple minutes in six minutes and 25 ish seconds into the show, I guess including the probably the previews, or no. I wonder if that's a different track. Yeah, I think we're.
Speaker 2:I think it's a different track.
Speaker 3:It's a different track. So at this six minute mark we do already have the. We have the sense. Okay, this is we're going to have like the like. The show is aware that this is the last episode. We're going to sort of go through what coach calls the, you know, like a review, like almost almost a musical review of here's our greatest hits and the finale, right, yeah, okay. So now we cut to the Nelson Road parking lot. Keely is getting out of her car and boss tell us what's, what's going on here.
Speaker 2:She's getting out of her tiny little thing, going to the trunk pulling some stuff out. Also, her, her look today, because we comment on that sometimes pink jacket, a bluish dress, her hair is down and wavy and she's got maybe butterfly cup clips or something on the side. She's adorable, she looks great. And we get another instance of her closing her trunk and Roy standing behind her is startling her and speaking of not having a bad bone in her body. It might be time for Roy and Keely to consider where their relationship is at. Yeah, that was supposed to be a penis joke, coach. You're supposed to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:We're talking about Roy's bad bone in her body. I feel I have failed you and the buttercups. I feel I feel deep shame right now that I did not, I was not there, that I was not on top of that joke and he's back and he's back that.
Speaker 2:you're much like that bad bone. You're not on top.
Speaker 1:That's it. There you go.
Speaker 3:I just have too much respect for you, boss. I said, there's no way she could possibly be, as this skull duggery will not stand. I know, I know that Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 2:I didn't say anything about skulls. That is an entirely different level.
Speaker 1:Boss, let's have kink. Shame folks.
Speaker 3:That's fair Continue.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So she again is startled and says to him you know I'm going to scare you one of these days. And he said well, that's easy, just ask me what I'm thinking about. And she says what are you thinking about? And then he gives it a very long second with a lot of direct eye contact and says stuff. And she responds terrifying and then walks away. Good to see you, roy. Good to see you, roy.
Speaker 1:I thought this was him scoring some points, like I thought he did. He handled that well. I thought it was sort of like somewhat playful. Definitely I am taking time to pay attention to you. I'm also letting you know that you've been on my mind, so I thought this was a pretty, pretty good moment for Roy. But definitely he leaves the one with the power here Like he's trying to get her to play, to play with him. So I thought that that part of the exchange worked for me and it's the absolute opposite of the scene where he scares her at night. This is the beginning of the day. She was leaving. Now she's going into AFC Richmond, like I think they did several things. That said, the world is very different than it was the first time this happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was thinking about how he said stuff and what stuff means exactly, because it's intentionally vague enough. He didn't say things, he didn't say you, or?
Speaker 1:us.
Speaker 2:Right. So I think I actually am good with stuff. I think I like how that came out. I think, if he had, it's one of those ways where you are so almost sarcastic in the answer of it, he's going to say stuff in order to make sure that she knows he's thinking about much deeper, more important things than stuff.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, yeah, no, no, no, that's good, I'm with you. I just don't. I just want them to be together and I don't like any of it. But here's the thing. No, I mean, it's fine, but you know we, coach, almost spit out whatever you think. Listen, yes, I just want what I want, like a toddler, and I go, oh man, idiot, like if you just stuck with a relationship in the first place, you wouldn't have to like, now go do this dance.
Speaker 3:And she has, you know, like she's made a very clear royal that like this may not go the direction you want and I hate the choice from a writing standpoint and from from the. You know we learned in the, in the Brendan Hunt AMA, that you know a threesome or a thruple or a triangle sort of dynamic in comedies and romantic comedies like always ends up as two. You know a couple together, and he was like we just want to play against, play against that, play against type, which is, in my mind, terrible, because my boy Roy, oh, listen, it's not like I don't love Jamie, love Jamie, you know, but like I guess maybe the lack of closure that we're getting, okay, there's an uncertainty principle at effect here, right, so it's like this could be beautiful. In a way, this has like a Raymond Chandler no, sorry, raymond Chandler, right, raymond Carver, this is the name I was looking for. This has a Raymond Carver ask.
Speaker 3:Open ended finish to a beautiful short story. Kind of vibe this little scene here. Right, she walks away and it's kind of wonderful. The way it's lit is beautiful. She looks effervescent. Something about the way they do her hair, with the butterflies in it and the coloring and the soft lighting it's like it's. It's. There's fill in the lighting, but it's natural light as well. And coach, correct me if you see anything here that I'm off base with from a lighting standpoint but not that you're on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. It feels like I don't want to say like like the Fay world, I don't say like it's almost fairy ask, but it's this there's an etherealness to yes that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, what's we're?
Speaker 3:going to say? What did I say? Right, ethereal, okay, right and so and so this is sort of beautiful. So if you leave it like this, you go okay, like maybe this is maybe I would. I would read this as hope for Roy. I would read this as like they're in a good place, the two of them, and I would lean towards she's, she kind of digs it. So, anyway, that's where we are at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I think at this point I mean I don't think she's like, yeah, by the end of this workday I'll be setting up my next date with Roy, but at this point I think he's he's doing all right. There's a little there's, there's, there's. There's a hint of a smile there for Keely and you know I thought that, I thought that worked. It wasn't him trying too hard. He has a follower right Like she goes, he stays, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I think the only thing that I'll push back on a little bit is I don't know if they need to end up together in order for their relationship to be successful or beautiful or any of those other things, but I think that there are not nearly enough couples and I like to see this more and more where you break up and you can still remain friends. I've mentioned many times before can't do it. That's not me.
Speaker 2:But I like it in other people and so I do like seeing it in a TV show like this, like Jimmy Simpson and Melanie Lensky, I think. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were married and got divorced and have one of the sweetest friendships. Now that they're, I think, both with other people I know she is, but they still like tweeted each other and congratulated each other on things like that's really sweet and nice. And I don't think that having somebody even when the Roy obviously wants to be with Keely if it ends up that way or not, they are nice to each other and still like each other and respect each other and so having a relationship where the romance doesn't work out but the tender feelings for each other still remain, I think is nice to see. We don't have enough of that in other TV shows. It's always they end up together or they're assholes.
Speaker 3:So I like it, yeah, no, no, no, absolutely. You make a great point and, to be honest, like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, to be totally honest here, because, realistically, one of the reasons we love this show was it was the fact that it didn't do the things every other generic show did. And now I'm like railing against it like a, like a normie and being like Goddamn. I like couples get together like, okay, jethro, just have a seat, you can, you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean, but it's funny because I think this is whatever, for however it's come to come to be this way, this puts us in the Ted Becker truthers position.
Speaker 1:Yes, because it's part of me that's like as much as and I didn't have the same problem with it, you did, but definitely I did have the emotional response of but we're in Kylia, going to be together right. Like he made her a playlist, he ran the bath, he learned she you know what I mean Like she came down to the locker room when he tore up his D, like they have to end up together. It's like no, they actually don't have to end up together and that's not how life ultimately works.
Speaker 3:all the time, absolutely, absolutely. But more importantly or not not more importantly, equally importantly from a structural standpoint, we were part of those moments. See, this show chooses. It's a show. Did not put us in between Jade and Nate. Remember we would always pull away whenever they're sitting at the taste of Athens, when he was nervous about their boy it would always play.
Speaker 3:But it didn't do that with Roy and Kylia. It put us right there at the tub, at the edge of the tub, and it put us there in during the fights and it put us there during masturbation. And I put it right, we were there, so we were invested in this. Now, we were a little bit there in the beginning with him and with Kylia and Jamie, but not necessarily to the same degree, but we were on the roller coaster with Jamie throughout his arc as he did other things. But it felt like such a huge percentage of the show was the Roy and Kylia getting together sort of thing and then being together. And I would say some of my favorite moments that were not soccer related because I'll own my openness were that like that moment where she was pissed off about where he was that one night she thought he was cheating. She's been dating footballers her whole life and he was fundamentally different when he came clean, the look on her face. You remember that, coach.
Speaker 1:I do. It was amazing. I mean, you could just see that. She was like, are you kidding me? Just like, is this person real? Almost, yeah, it was almost like is this person real? I remember then you have the photographer and all that stuff off of that, but the look on her face she loved it and also part of her was like I can't believe it. In the way we use it colloquially, like yes, I know it's true, but it's so wonderful I can't believe it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that that might be, and I don't want to tell those people what they should or shouldn't want, but there is a part of me that actually likes that they the two actors themselves and the writing staff and everybody else developed these two characters that we want them together so much Like they did such a good job of establishing that these two people were attracted to each other and liked each other and were good together. I kind of like wanting them to be together more than needing them to actually end up together. I don't need the happy ending. I don't, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, that's such a you're the worst Like, yeah, I know that's why it works for you, because you yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't need them to be. What is that? What is?
Speaker 3:that. Listen, can we drill down on that, because I really this is very different than, I think, the general consensus, but I want to know what. What is it that makes you tick up with regard to this you want? Can you repeat what the thing, the premise is? You want, you want to want them to be together more than you actually need them to end up together Is that what you said?
Speaker 2:Yes, essentially that. What is interesting to me is not the then they ended up happily ever after, and maybe this is just growing up with a lifetime of TV shows and movies and everything else, where, once you end up happily ever after, then the story ends. There's like the movie ends with everything's going to be fine. So it is all in the buildup and making sure that that chemistry is correct and that the writing does it well and that the two actors seem like they actually do have, if not in an attraction, at least they're able to fake it enough.
Speaker 3:I think about how much this explains about like shameless and like yeah, lip, yeah, you know. I mean like all the things. These are people that are in the process of the striving rather than the complete. You're like that's less interesting to you.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely Like. Being together and being happy is great. I wish that actually more TV shows had partners who were not in the middle of chaos or upheaval, like they just loved each other and were able to show the relationship being functional. I think that would be really interesting. But when you're talking about the love story, I don't need them to be together. What I need to see is that they work really well together. So I need you to show me why they're interested in each other, not just smashing their faces together.
Speaker 1:I have a theory that I'd like to add to this, that maybe boss is the most lasso way of the entire crew.
Speaker 3:There's zero chance that, because it's not true. Listen to me.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. It's not about the wins and losses. It's about these people becoming the best they could be. Boom.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:You might have gotten me on that Fuck. All right, I think that's what you just said I really did.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh wow, that's great. And I'll say quickly and excuse me, nothing like weird or whatever. But I went to a reunion this past weekend, same group I was in. There was somebody, a woman there who you know, when I was in college, whatever's the college equivalent of dated right, but nothing whatever. She's happily married. I'm happily married with friends, you know from college, oh, your friends from college yes. Okay, where'd you go to college again.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, okay, sorry, go keep going. It was Yale, everybody, it went to Yale.
Speaker 1:But we so, so, and what is, as you were describing as boss was going through it. Where I think kind of made it crystallize for me was I was like, oh, this kind of feels like me and this person, like we're totally friends. I could not be happier that she's happy, she could not be happier that I'm happy, independent of the other. We each made a point of having like an interaction, conversation with the other one's spouse, like just like, hey, I got to talk to you know, isn't that? You know?
Speaker 3:oh, I walk, and I was like this is really cool, right, but the purpose of that is to let the spouse unequivocally know that you're not hunting for the partner, right, like maybe I'm too mysterious? No, well, no, because you're like you're like you want to be like I'm gonna quickly spot check me husband because like I'm cool, Like we're going to be cool, I want to.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I know what you're saying and I'm guessing that was. I guess that builds into it that if I'm over here being all chummy, I'm not like behind your back trying to figure out how to like ruin your marriage. But no, it really was like, hey, you're the person, this person, who I very much like and love though I don't mean it, that kind of love way chose, and I'm curious to learn more about you. That's great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I know what you're saying. You guys were just friends in college or you dated in college.
Speaker 1:We dated Like that yeah.
Speaker 3:But okay, but this doesn't that require first of all a certain level of maturity, be a certain place in life and see the, the sometimes people have a type of attraction where it's like sort of an undeniable physical biological magnetism. And if it doesn't have that, then this, this sort of thing, is capable. I'm thinking like and it would have to be mutual. So so one of the things we're identifying with Roy and Keely is like if she still has something for him, she's got like it's. It's sort of like inside of a crystal ball, protected right now, but his is like on the outside. He's like, hey, like he is right he's like.
Speaker 1:oh yeah, he's making over juice. Yeah, yeah, Right, yeah. Like if she had said it's instead of that's terrifying, she had gone. What kind of stuff. Like he could have stood there all day and played that game.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he would have left with her. And if she was like, would you like to go to Budapest right now, he would yes, ma'am, okay, any place in the universe, and he would have gone, yes, and and coach, with your friend. It was a situation where that wasn't the case. Like right, like the mutual mutually, you sort of both have matured, both in great places and you'd like each other so much. Yeah that you're genuinely just thrilled for the other person, yeah, and like happy to see each other.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no, it wasn't like hey, maybe if things get wild, like no, not in any way. It was like wait what, maybe things get wild.
Speaker 3:Maybe if things get wild.
Speaker 1:No, it was none of that. It was truly just like it is great to see you. You look great. You look happy. Wow, you know your spouse is interesting and funny and great. I'm glad your life's going so great. Can't wait to see you at the next reunion.
Speaker 3:And you. The breakup of the two of you was amicable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. It was awkward, but it was not. It certainly wasn't. Like you know, I hate you.
Speaker 3:So you? So you screwed it up.
Speaker 1:Oh, without a doubt, okay.
Speaker 1:Like it was like no, there's no other way, put it this way the first time we reconnected after all the years, I straight up apologized, like I was, like I was poorly behaved and I am really sorry about that and I'm glad things are going so well for you. And actually she was very gracious about it. She said look, we were, we were kids, 19, 20 years old. You know, I'm glad you're doing well, and then that's where we left it, and so the friendship kind of just picked up from there.
Speaker 3:I can feel like if Giuliana were here, she'd be like like yeah, that's because, as a woman, that's like in some cases, that's all you can hope for, like that's the best case scenario, you know. It's like it's like if somebody from your past goes oh hey, by the way, jesus Christ, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:You know, I did Like I saw that she was leaving and I like made a point of like make it a beeline, being like, hey, hold on a second Before you go. I just want to add something more and tell you yeah, good for you, by the way for doing that.
Speaker 3:That's good. That's good people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was. I was really glad I did it. It was sort of like one of those like this has been on my, this has been on my heart for a while. That was a cool. That was not cool how I behaved.
Speaker 3:I love that. Yeah, that's great coach. Good for you. Okay, so I think that's the. As we leave the Roy and Keely scene. The final shot is him alone in the parking lot with the welcome AFC Richmond behind it. It's a little parking lot, god. We never really talk about a little, this tiny little. That's true, it's like four cars, like it's like a very enough Rupert were here, he would have every space. This would be a very prestige lot.
Speaker 2:London's mass transit system is extremely good. I'm guessing a lot of people don't need to have cars in order to get around London. Good for you guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, that's a plus. That is a plus. Didn't know that, but yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we move right from this scene right into. We get a close up of Ted's phone and boss what does it say? Explain what's happening on the phone.
Speaker 2:It's a message from Michelle. It's a video of Henry ripping off sort of the word of the day calendar, except it's a countdown to the number of days that Ted's going to be home. And so excited. And he sent actually the ghost gift from the movie ghost, patrick Swayze, saying ditto which if you haven't seen ghost, I don't know how you could be listening to this podcast right now. But he was saying that in response to I love you, he would say ditto bag.
Speaker 2:Remember when he went behind her and on the pottery table, boss, yeah, To me more everybody, just to make sure that we're on the same page Patrick Swayze to me more the infamous pottery wheel scene, one that they spoofed on community and said you're absolutely not allowed to ghost no ghosting in this room. That's great.
Speaker 3:That was so funny, that was like the raunchiest, it was good. It was good, though, super classy. And does it bother you at all that? Do you remember enough of ghost boss, where what is Patrick Swayze saying ditto about? There's one of his character quirks, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I love you. To me more would say I love you. He would say ditto in response Right Right Would not say I love you. So yeah, it is not Ted saying that he loves her.
Speaker 3:I mean it's just interesting that it's in that thread, right? Yes?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's certainly a movie. It makes all the sense in the world that they would have watched it together at some point and may have even had that be a thing of theirs. It's sort of like the Harrison Ford. There's some classic versions of that. It's the Harrison Ford as a Han Solo I know, which I still say is like the studliest ever. Like that is like whew man. You just aspire to someday be that much of the man in a moment. To just have that at the ready.
Speaker 3:I know we have a producer for the podcast. He's a co-founder of Pajiba. He's a terrible, terrible human being and I detest him and his name is producer Seth and I hate him with a passion and he wouldn't have it any other way he wouldn't have it.
Speaker 1:He's so happy.
Speaker 3:He's from Philadelphia. It's like his lifeblood is making sure I hate him. And this is like a thing between us because, like he'll just say anything, he'll be like hey, just so you know, blah, blah, blah. And I always respond in full taps because I can't directly scream through the text I hate you. And then he always sends me back the Han Solo. I know that's funny, that's hard, that is great. I know it's a, it's these. You have these little moments and sometimes, yeah, with Ted and Michelle it might be that ghost was a thing. We pull back from the phone. And who is walking into the office here, boss?
Speaker 2:First person to comment is Beard. Beard says that Jane is not excited about leaving and as evidence he produces his shredded passport that she apparently decided she would prevent him from leaving the country. This doesn't seem to be much of an improvement in their relationship in terms of Jane being less destructive about his things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean Ted says good thing, you got dual citizenship. Huh, this is triple Vatican. City is a country baby.
Speaker 1:I will say I mean, I'm so I feel like better to leave. Leave them wanting more. But I would have to watch a series or movie about Beard's time in the Vatican, like in Vatican City, like I just need, like what? Why was he there and why was he there long enough to now have citizenship? Like I'm, I would. I would watch this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you could see Beard being part of some like undercover monk sect of of some. Yeah, yeah, you could. I have an uncle who wrote a book a very talented writer about the, the process of of when they make new cardinals and the well, the first sort of the first step of that process and yeah, it's really interesting. But yeah, so you could see like Beard being a clandestine Vatican City agent. I think on some level he is, he is, he does have that, he's good with undercurrents, Like he's good, he's good working at night. You know, I could see them putting in the good news Right, okay, so anyway we have.
Speaker 3:Then Trent comes in, and what is going on with him here, coach?
Speaker 1:Well, he's got early copies of the book. Probably the end is yet to be written because we're living it, but he did want, he did want Ted and Beard, probably more so Ted to to to take a look, and yeah, so he hands them sort of his bound early, very early edition version of of what he's got going so far.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you quite call it a draft, but no, I think it's pretty much done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, this is it yeah.
Speaker 3:It's all the last away. Very fancy. I can't finish the book until the season ends, obviously, but before you leave I'd love to get your thoughts, let me know. If there's anything you disagree with, I won't take it out, but I'm happy to tell you where you're wrong, which is which is great. Yeah, it's very funny as a writer to give your work to people, because you have we all sort of we covet our reading groups.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you this from years and years and years of experience, because you'll, especially in the screenwriting industry, you get, you write, the write a first draft of something Most people dick and Jane it and and and sort of it's. We call it sweaty, it's like super sweaty draft. And then you have your trusted peers who you say like can you just like go through? Because, because in the early drafts you want to make sure, listen, tell me if I totally blew the second act, or tell me if I, you know, if there's something just clearly does not make sense, or you know you'll get back. This is where you get back notes like I hate the love interest, like he sucks, you know, oh shit. Like that is a, that is a quantum problem, like that is not the intended, because if that happens then blah, blah, blah, blah blah. So then you have your readers that once you get to a much sort of better tier right coach, you sort of these are the people that's like okay.
Speaker 3:They may be not necessarily in the industry, but they might like reading you know, whatever, because your industry friends will give you like the nuts and bolts of it. But then you have your more casual readers. They'll be like, yeah, I'd like it, right, donor, you know what was up with this? Then you can make your sort of micro changes. What trend is doing here is, you know, he's sort of like a couple of steps past that, where it's like this is the you know this, this is what in book form. This is sort of the galley version of what I'm going to send to the publisher and it's probably as close to you know, quote unquote done as it's going to get.
Speaker 3:But it's funny. The dynamic here is funny. It's very inside baseball for writers because something very bizarre happens in a field. So if you're a carpenter and they say, and someone hires you and they say, hey, build me a barn, you go, okay, great, you start building, right. And if you know what you're doing, let's just assume you're competent and you know how to build a barn, you know where the joists go and you know how to support everything, then you at the end you have a barn and it's just a barn. It's like right in front of you, right, whereas we all agree it's a barn Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when you're writer at this stage, yes, you may have a quote, unquote book or something or a screen player or whatever, but it's still this very nebulous thing that can shift. And it could also be like you, as a writer, you give somebody something and you go here. Here's a barn and they go. It's not a fucking barn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pack it up, all right. Well, there we are. I mean my thing with this moment, less so over the years. You kind of like you say you curate your group and then also you just get more. You know you just learn to deal better. But someone once said to me nobody wants to hear that their baby is ugly. And that was as close as I've ever gotten to the feeling of handing that early version of a script over to someone. Like some part of my soul is in these pages Also. It's the kind of stuff I tend to write and want to write, but I think it's so. It's tough when someone's like you know I hate your main character. Why does he do that? Like it's that's not like a, that's not something you just are going to be like. Oh, I'll tweak that in the next draft. That's like should I continue working on this project that I've just spent a year of my life on?
Speaker 3:That's hard, but in some ways, those are the ones that you need the most, because what you don't want is to get that note from a studio executive or you know, from someone you're trying to in a pitch meeting, or you don't want to get like you know, I checked out as soon as you said you know she hates her mother. Right, I know she's a bad person. Oh shit, okay, huh. You know what I mean, like right away, right?
Speaker 1:Or did you make a choice that like no, no, I know I'm going to lose? Like you know the kinds of shows that we've talked about. I mean like at some point, you know, to not to not to cross streams here, but with Wayne, at some point I'm sure somebody was like awfully violent, you know what I mean and the decision was made like nope, she's going to slick talk her, and to you know, a teenage girl and a woman are going to get in a fight, like at the ticket counter. That's what's going to happen and you know we'll take it from there.
Speaker 2:I don't really have enough experience writing, especially not longer things that are reviewed multiple times, but I need to push back on one thing, and that is when my aunt Laura gave birth to my cousin Sarah, who is a beautiful, wonderful, fantastic woman. My grandmother, holding like just a few hours old, said oh honey, she is so ugly and it's true, because she was brand new and wrinkly.
Speaker 2:And yeah, yeah, all those things and that was a story that my aunt, Laura, would tell people over and over and over again about how she handed her daughter over to her mother and her mother said oh honey, she's so ugly. So she did want to hear that, See that's a great story and look it now.
Speaker 3:it ends up on a podcast somewhere.
Speaker 2:And now everybody knows, my cousin Sarah was real ugly when she was born.
Speaker 3:Listen. Sometimes babies come out and they're not so gross they look so no. I would never in a billion years say that.
Speaker 3:But I would say that like so my, my youngest, my youngest, is a real beauty. She's a peach and she's a lovely little little little girl and objectively like pretty. But when she was little, before she had hair, we used to think she looked like Ed Asner. So it's really, it's like funny to us that she's like she's actually attractive, because we're like man who hair does wonders for this one, but that's yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you just need to grow into your face. It happens, yeah, sure, that's my mom.
Speaker 1:Like things I remember, like you, things you remember for you. Like very specific, my mom would always complain when there'd be some like birth you know storyline on some TV show and they'd hand over this pristine clean. She was like that is not in any way what that baby looks like. So at any rate, yeah, ugly, ugly or not, it ain't what you got pictured in your mind off the. Gerber drive.
Speaker 3:It's so funny when you go through. Boss has not had this experience. But, boss, there's this thing you go through when you when you give birth, especially in the modern era, once upon a time.
Speaker 2:Pooping. I know that you. Sometimes they poop when they give birth. I've heard about that. They didn't tell us that, but a friend's mom. She finally broke the news.
Speaker 1:The only thing better than you saying that is how 100% you I and every single buttercup listening knows that is 100%. Not what he was going to say I feel physical pain. That's what's so wonderful about you interjecting that so trashy.
Speaker 3:So what they like, they like bit by a pinch of loa for something when they have a bit.
Speaker 2:What do you do? It doesn't happen every time, but sometimes Damn it Sorry, no, but when?
Speaker 3:you're giving birth, when a person is going to, once upon a time you would have, like my kids could not believe they could not. Just because I try to be present as a dad, whatever I would try to explain to them how dads used to be. Oh, yeah. And so I would say like hey, do you know like dads used to like their main job for birth was to make sure they bought cigars. Yes, right, and they would be in the room, be nowhere near the room. You know what I mean. And then, and, and they would just like, oh, they would find out, hey, is it a boy, is it a girl? Like a nurse would come out and be like, hey, it's a boy, or you know whatever. And then they would pass out cigars and then there's smoke cigars and then go drink. My kids are like that's bullshit. They're like there's no way that's funny, I love it.
Speaker 1:That's like unfathomable to them.
Speaker 3:Oh, like they could not. They're like are you just like cigar in a hospital? Oh yeah, I can't believe it's just smoking hospitals all the time, like the biggest smokers in the world are doctors Like, wait, what? Yes? So anyway, you know, there's a thing that happens, and more recently, I would say in the last like 20 years or so.
Speaker 3:So it was like when I was a first time dad, I noticed some of the procedures. I hadn't been been, I didn't do my due diligence right. So I'll give an example. Babies get a shot right when they come out. They get a shot of vitamin K. And so I was like wait, is it just spitball in here, is it? You know this is very binary, but is it good that one of the first things that my child experiences is to have a fucking metal thing jammed into their muscle? Right, and I'm like so anyway, you start to learn about these things. And then you can add it with certain hospitals you can sort of curate that. You can say, okay, let's opt for this type of vitamin C thing instead of you know this, or you know they can put it under the baby's tongue or whatever. There's all these different things you can do to try. Oh, I don't want him to go on the heater, I want him to go to the mother's chest, like.
Speaker 2:I don't want to, you know, like all these different skin to skin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's interesting because you know these things have changed over the years and I think we got here from you were talking about this started.
Speaker 2:Sorry, say it again, boss. Nobody wants to hear that their baby is ugly.
Speaker 3:Nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 2:And sorry, just before we move on. Things have changed significantly, however. When I was born, my father delivered me because my hippie parents had all of their children at home. My mom didn't go to the hospital one time to have a baby yeah, when she was pregnant with me. I'm the second.
Speaker 2:She like like latest at night bedtime, nine or 10 or something, said my back doesn't feel good, I'm going to go take a bath. Then, a couple hours later, she came out. She's like I think I'm going into labor. My dad was like okay, well, do I need to call the midwife, because there's supposed to be a medical professional here to birth the baby? She's like no, I don't think we need her quite yet. Then, three hours later, I popped out and the midwife couldn't get there in time. My dad had to be the one. That was like I'm just going to hang out here. I guess that's cool. Yes, definitely. There were not always fathers present in the delivery room, but if the delivery room is the living room of the apartment that you're living in in Chicago, then, sometimes the dads do need to be present.
Speaker 2:That does happen. I think he delivered my younger brother too. I think my mom might have only gotten like 50, 50 in terms of making sure that the midwife was there in time.
Speaker 3:Wow, I mean, this is a thing now. So again, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:No, really yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying in the world. I have all sorts of did your dad drop you things floating around, but I don't ever like to hear about baby. Yeah, coach is doing a juggling motion. I don't like to ever hear about anything bad happened to babies, so no. But now you have people who opt for a water birth or in-home birth.
Speaker 3:And this is a real. You have doulas that'll specialize in this and yeah, it's a whole thing and it's beautiful and wonderful until something goes wrong. I have a high school classmate of mine where they did all that stuff and they did got all prepared and do a water birth and something went wrong, oh shit. And then it was an hour and a half to the hospital and then it was just really bad and they had the baby, the baby made it, thank God, but like has never been Not great. Yeah, it's so, so, and I'm not dissuading people from it, that's the only one I've heard in my you know I don't want to pretend like I'm against that I think it's beautiful and natural and wonderful.
Speaker 3:I just I get to be a worry ward If I just want every baby to be safe and happy and good. I would love it if you do like the water birth protected but like next door to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Like believe it or not, they actually do that.
Speaker 1:They have birthing centers that are yeah.
Speaker 3:So someone has thought of that. So anyway, yes, nobody likes to have tell you baby's ugly. I would, trent my feeling is it's probably not going to be ugly and also this is why he's here. So there's this. There is some closure that, remember, this is the last episode and we have to tie up some of these loose ends. And the reason Trent is even sort of embedded with with the battalion at AFC Richmond is too chronicle. I think there's a story worth telling.
Speaker 1:Well, I also think there's a vulnerability for him. This is a far cry from I will use my mastery of words to skewer some 17 year old making their debut Right. I mean, this is him kind of putting his own heart on the line, having decided I think there's a story here, because the world could turn back to him and be like well, your thought wrong and he's laid it all out and it's not that right, it's not the thing he's known for doing. This is so I like that piece too, like he too has tried a new thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely You're right. I mean this is, this is. I mean this is talk about your baby, this is his, this is a year of his life. He put on paper in front of them and so he is in a vulnerable state. That's funny. I, boss and coach, are both some of my trusted readers and I gave boss this thing to read for me and I remember she's so delightful because she really is kind in what we're not on air and she's like she's like oh no, really I remember saying it's really good.
Speaker 3:I'm just like I'm just meaner than this and I just want more mean people. Can it be possibly meaner? I was like I have never, ever, ever in my life of my entire life of writing, had someone ask, yeah, could we get it meaner? Like, could I get that to go, but also make it meaner? Yeah, wow, boss, wow, you are Love it. Tragic.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. On Twitter the other day they had something about one of those and three by three grids and it was girl failures, like TV characters. So a sweet D from Always Sunny and Shiv from Succession and a bunch of other ones, and you're supposed to eliminate one from each row. And I looked at it for a second and I was like, absolutely not, I'm not getting rid of any of these women Brooke from the other two, like just some of my favorite characters. I'm like I'm not even pretending to play this game. I want all of the mean girls. Doesn't, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3:But it's too Sweet D. Wait, sweet D and Shiv. I mean sweet D.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, sweet D, I don't.
Speaker 3:I would just jump over over the ocean for sweet D. Sweet D is the funniest. She's so good, she's so fucking funny. Sometimes, like some of her scenes, when she woke up in a room she was woke up. She's like. I don't know if it was a crack episode, but there was a scene where she woke up, she got drunk and she woke up in a bunk house where she was sleeping with like an elderly Chinese man.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:I Korean, she thought it was Korean.
Speaker 2:The reveal of that pulling back.
Speaker 3:Yes, she's like what the fuck? I still can barely control myself thinking about that. How well she played that. Yes. And her true shock. She is so goddamn talented. Oh, what a peach. My God.
Speaker 2:So, yes, one of my favorite things about the Always Sunny podcast is learning how much Glenn Howerton, who plays Dennis Reynolds, who is Sweet D's brother and on the show, he hates her. He hates Sweet D, he thinks she is nothing. Oh yeah, and in real life, glenn Howerton loves Caitlin Olson. So hard.
Speaker 1:That's cool, yes.
Speaker 2:It was surprisingly nice, Surprisingly in time, when I didn't want people to be meaner. That's how we are boss. Yeah well, it's not all the time. I don't like to be that way all the time. That doesn't make any sense. But one of the things about Trent showing Ted this book is that the last thing he wrote that was published was him outing Ted as having the anxiety attacks. So in that case he was publishing something against Ted without Ted's knowledge, and so now he's giving Ted sign off on this. Before I put this out there about you Interesting.
Speaker 1:That was a turning point for Trent as we watched Trent's arc. I think that was the moment when the fact that he gave Ted a heads up, the fact that he totally broke his ethical rules by revealing this, is my source. I think that was when he was like what am I fucking doing here? This is not. Why am I here? Why is this what I'm doing? Is this how I'm going to spend the rest of my life Like revealing that some man has anxiety? I filled a lot of that in, but my sense of that is that that was a moment where he was like yeah, I think it's time for me to move on to a new thing.
Speaker 3:Talk about things that you know Boss talked about. He likes people in that sort of where. They're not the sort of end of the story In the last couple of days there have been in the football world. This player, marvin Jones, decided to quote unquote step away from football and he is like a respected person then asked for his release and I was like, oh, is he? Is he covering up? Like is like, oh, he can't do it anymore but he needs the cover of, like a family issue or whatever.
Speaker 3:And then there was this other guy that the New England Patriots drafted five years ago, who came in as, like, a big draft pick. His name was Chase Winovich and then he played three years for the Patriots and I've read he retired today, coach, and he was on the Browns for a year and then the Dolphins for a year and he got released from the, from the Dolphins and we also think about, like, the Tom Brady's and the Peyton Manning's or whatever, but like the average NFL careers Do you remember how long it is, coach? Three years, that's it, three years. And so Chase Winovich, he was this like, he's a huge person.
Speaker 3:He came in with long blonde hair. He was like a Hanson brother, you know, like, like and this like first game. He sacked the quarterback and we're like, oh my God, this is the next big thing. But then that's not how it played out and I'm almost blown away by that, because I was so into this guy. I was like this guy is the real deal and it was like, oh, he played five years. He finished with, I think, 11 or 12 sacks total. Wow, when was in that first?
Speaker 1:game, yeah, and so you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So you're like, oh, but I'm fascinated with the game. So you're like, oh, but I'm fascinated with I just want to see a show. We talk about hard knocks on HBO, but I want to see the show about when the player who has spent their entire life as an athlete you know what we got to get QOB Jenna in here because Jenna had this experience. She was a soccer player, her whole life played all over the place, recruited, played in college, and then what? Three ACL tears, I think Jenna said right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember those ACL. I didn't remember how many, but yeah.
Speaker 3:When you get to that point and you either physically can't do it anymore I'll arroi Kent or the game has passed you by, right. I'm fascinated with that. I just want to see, I want them to take cameras in and have people talk through, because I think that takes character and courage. And you get to the moment where you have to be like, you have to accept it and you're oh my God, there's so much. It's just a broiling cauldron of emotion and like a reality check, because these guys, at least for the NFL, that is it. You cannot make it to the NFL if it is not your complete existence. You can't be like oh, I'm a professional chess player and I'm like really good at theater, but I also like do the NFL?
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 3:It is a ever. Since you were like five years old, you have been going every weekend to play football, every every. You work out on weekends, you work out in the off season three times a day, like these people. That's all they've known. And then it's, and then they have the moment where it's gone and I know people don't think it's like you, never think it's going to happen to you. I saw this thing. I don't mean to sidetrack us too much. There's an NFL player called Christian McCaffrey and he is he's like. So he's just, he's the best running back in the league and I think, coach, that's a fair statement to say right, objectively.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, yeah, things are yeah, superstar, like, yeah, he is a superstar, yeah, yes, he was in this interview where he was talking about how, when they were growing up, there was this other guy, this other running back that got all the national attention right and I was like, wait, who? And so they're like who is this? He's like no, he's like I don't want to. He's like it sounds like I'm bitter about it. He's like no, because I really like. He's like I love this guy, I love this player and and but like, trust me, whenever there was like a big oh, who's the five star blue chip thing, I was always behind this guy, always, no matter, didn't matter how hard. First of all, he's like because I was a white kid and they don't no one believes in a white running back. So he's like it's not. And he wasn't saying racism. He's like it's.
Speaker 3:It's how many white how many white running backs are there Right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And this other kid was black and he's like, of course, like it just made sense to everybody. And then the best part about it, because I was like who is he talking about? Right, Coach, don't you want to know who he's talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like, is this like? I like sell an insurance somewhere or something like that? Nobody knows me. It was Sony Michelle.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 1:Even if you watch a lot of NFL, you probably don't know the name Sony Michelle, probably unless you're his mom listening. I'm his Michelle, but like he. I mean he had some moments, but like he's like he in the NFL. There's a phrase people use about somebody and be like, oh, he's a Jag, and it just means he's just a guy. He's just a guy, like he's just a guy and like maybe Sony Michelle was like just a slice above, just a guy, but he was certainly in the just a guy. He's certainly in the just a guy realm compared to Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3:I'm just remembering off the top of my head. He was a second round pick, I believe, with the New England Patriots, but then he never became a superstar. Then he ended up on two or three other teams and now I don't know if he's in the league anymore. No, he's not Right, yeah, so, but anyway, like, so I just think it's. I think it's fascinating and I think, like you look at I I also think they missed a huge marketing opportunity by not releasing Trent's book when this show ended.
Speaker 1:I couldn't believe that it didn't happen, because I'm telling you, I would have pre-ordered, I would have probably gotten hard copy and audio, but I would, I would have been all in. I really thought, yeah, anyway, I tell me, tell me you wouldn't have gone to like the Trent Cram book tour 100%. Right, there's no question. Like if they announced it now, I would be like oh, thank God, what happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great, great, let's do it. This is taking us a slightly different direction, and then probably should discuss the show some. But when you said, when you started going down this path, and you said football, there was a question in my mind of which sport you meant and what. And as as you were saying the rest of this, it struck me that that is part of my personal Ted Lasso experience that you said that and I had to kind of like wait and listen for some names, and then you said a couple of okay, we're talking on American football now, but that's that's my. My thinking has shifted enough that I was like that could mean two different things.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that stood out to me. Like Ted, I knew I didn't know anything about soccer, and now I know at least one thing about football.
Speaker 3:I think it's great and I and I appreciate you, coach, and I love you, you, you you watch the women's world cup and and and cheered with me and I I appreciate all that you do, especially for the women's game. Trent, trent is once he's handed these books out to to coach and beard. We hear a loud bang. And who walks into the office here, boss?
Speaker 2:Fuck. So it's Roy yeah.
Speaker 1:That was. That was right. Yeah, but that's synonyms.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, everything. Okay, roy, what does he say, boss?
Speaker 2:Uh, how do you know if a girl likes you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, how do you know if a girl likes you or not?
Speaker 2:And the uh was buying me a second to make sure that I had it exactly right, but that was also his face. This is one instance where Roy seems completely out of his element.
Speaker 1:That's a great call. He really is completely lost. Like what? What just happened in the parking lot? I'm not sure any of like, and even if I think a thing happened, can I trust my instincts? Oh yeah, I thought that was great and I want to say how do you know if a girl likes you or not? I feel like at some point Nate asked that exact question, am I Okay?
Speaker 3:I thought so yeah, at some point every boy asked that question, oh well, for sure, absolutely confounding. But um it's so funny because did you guys have the sense that this was his mood? Leaving that, that, that scene, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I didn't either.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't either.
Speaker 2:Well, it seems a little bit. I'm not saying that when you go to your ex-girlfriend's house with a card where you apologize for how you behaved, and then the two of you end up sleeping together, and then you end up spending a lot more time together, and then you, I fuck her in the parking lot before going into work and she doesn't seem to hate that. I don't understand where the absolute confusion came from, or if it's more frustration that he feels like we did this before and it worked out fine and it doesn't seem to be working out fine this time. Yes, and if maybe, how can you tell if a girl likes you is more shorthand? For how do I win Keely back when everything I am doing isn't working?
Speaker 1:Also, there's a simplicity to his thinking there. I love that you just nailed that, because it's like well, if you like me and I like you, then let's be a couple. It's like, well, you know what, life's not nearly that simple sometimes. Like you broke my heart. We were together. You just like decided on your own that I was going to leave. Also, I could see where Keely's like that's an insult to me Like we're all focusing on the fact that you're, you know, doing a little self-esteem thing. But I told you how I felt about you. I made it clear that I wanted to be together and you basically told me that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, about my own feelings, and decided to break up because eventually I was gonna wait and see where Keely's like hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3:We're not going to start defending women on this podcast no not that Awesome what the hell is happening here.
Speaker 1:No, I would quit if that were the case.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no, coach, all right, I think that was sort of intimated, right. We never actually saw the. We did see. She said no, no, we're good, like, but I just need six weeks to work and then the next season they weren't together.
Speaker 1:So so Right. And even when they told Phoebe remember she's the one who said, oh no, we just, you know, whatever it was taking a break or whatever, and Roy was like, yes, we're breaking up. So it just seemed like he was the driving force. Even when she seemed to be trying to like, pump the brakes on them, breaking up, he was the driving force of like, nope, we're breaking up Now.
Speaker 3:Right, but I always had the sense he was doing it. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, no, no, he was definitely doing it, because he thought, like she's outgrown me, yes, right, but if you're Keely so, like you still broke my heart. I still told you one thing. You decided I didn't know what I was talking about, about me, and you made all these decisions without me. Now you've decided, oh wait, no, we do like each other. Let's go back to the like. Nah, maybe it's not that simple.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing, and listen, this is one man's perspective. It's fine. I know that there's been a ton of anthropological research on this, but we talk about how, you know, in a sort of tribal society, you know, long, long, long ago, the men would go out and hunt, typically, and then the women would sort of prepare for the return of the men with food right, and so the men had to be focused on one fucking thing and they'd go and get the shit and bring it back, and in the meantime women had to hold center for everything else in the entire civilization. They had to make sure babies were fed and they had to make sure things were heated and fabric was made and you know like everything was tended to. So the amount of emotional endurance that they developed compared to men is stunning.
Speaker 3:And the way it plays out generationally is this moment here in the parking lot where you get Roy. The outside, roy is like, oh, I'm a strong man, I'm in charge and I'm, you know, sort of confident and whatever. But then he comes in and we see he's the little boy he hasn't developed in that way where he has the emotional sort of endurance that Keely obviously has, having gone through everything she did with Jack and with KJPR, and then to come out of it on the other side with this little sort of knowing smile, interface in that moment that we just called ethereal, and you go okay, this is where it's. When you look at that, as I'm just saying from a man's perspective, this is where people like me go. Oh God, I hope women don't figure out how to, how to procreate or how to like reproduce without us, because, oh boy, I don't know if, like what is the necessity of you know what I mean of the of. I just worry about it, boss. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I understand, I do, I do. I do understand where you're coming from. My only issue is we tend to look for specific reasons why genders must behave in the way that they do. We look to the distant past. We'll say, oh yes, well, the hunter gathers. The men would go out and hunt. The women had to take care of everything else, and that's why women are more emotionally complex or can handle whatever else.
Speaker 2:Every point in history where we have written records of what people thought about the genders, what they have said is women do this because we say so and men do this because we say so. So there's this book called the once in future sex that I'm reading right now, and they need to look up the author and I will in one second. But it's basically what the Europeans in the Middle Ages believed about women, and at the time, what they believed was women are base and will fuck anything if you do not watch them. That men need to make sure that they are not allowing women to have sex with them constantly, because women will just yeah they're like women, don't?
Speaker 3:we don't know any better.
Speaker 2:We're just led around by our vaginas and we just need to smash them up against things all the time, and it's because we are less moral than men are obviously Now today, sort of.
Speaker 3:You're talking about, like, the influence of religion on culture and things like that.
Speaker 2:You're talking about sort of Religion, but also the book gets very into how Middle-age European no Europeans and the Middle Ages is how we need to say that wanted to believe themselves the descendants of Roman culture. Basically, they're like oh well, the Romans thought this, so we think this because the Romans did. Half the time they were fucking wrong about what the Romans thought and we're just making shit up, but usually it was. Whatever it is that we think is bad in terms of sex women do. Even now with purity culture, we're like oh well, women don't want to have sex. We need to trick them into it or somehow convince them to do it. They are the gatekeepers of sex. But also, if a woman does have sex the thing that we want her to do then she is a whore. So like it's just fucking all over the place Any time that we can justify something as being you say it's just fucking all over the place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I make it up to you. We're back, we're back, we're back.
Speaker 3:We say it on this podcast all the time, like, no matter what, we can paint either side of any situation and make the woman wrong. Absolutely Society does it constantly and you cannot win as a woman in this era.
Speaker 2:Yes, or any other era or any other time in recorded history. So I am not saying that Roy understands his feelings as much as he should. I am only saying that that is because we condition and socialize women to focus on these things and excuse men as saying, oh well, they have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 2:Like, I know that when you say big demo, what you mean is you have a lot to learn and you want to learn and you want to listen to other people. But there are plenty of other people that are like well, fucking, Homer Simpson is a big demo. Of course he's always going to be terrible to Marge. That's just how men are so like. On the one hand, yes, I understand that Roy himself might not have an understanding of that, but there isn't any reason for that other than we have not challenged Roy to try to do that better.
Speaker 3:There's no question, I totally agree with that. I would say, though yes, absolutely. Here's the thing you always hear, and here's always a never very dangerous words. Here's a more commonality. There's some commonality to this where you hear men of every age going I don't get women. I don't get it Right, and you don't necessarily it could be wrong, but you don't hear women go, I don't get men Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because our lives depend on us getting men because we literally have to get men for our survival and that I know that I just took us a little bit darker than I wanted it to. No, no.
Speaker 1:I think you're right. I think you can't afford to not understand how men operate. You truly cannot. It is physically unsafe and it is in a whole bunch of other ways. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:It's unsafe, but it's also knowable. It's a knowable quantity, right On some level. Women are generally able to ascertain, whereas even the men who try the most you go. Yeah, I don't know. Man, I don't know if you really are capturing that. I would put myself in that category where you just go. That's not quite it.
Speaker 2:I think that part of that is also, though, that women's culture is women and men's culture is culture, and so we have we are exposed to the shit that you guys think about all the time, and the shit that women think about is out there, but you would need to go find it Like. Think about how often even things like the best picture Oscars they're almost always produced, directed, written, led by men, and those are supposed to be the movies that we, as a society, think are the highest art form, and it's always dudes. I can't remember the last time that there was a best picture winner that was focused on a woman's story, and I don't pay that much attention to it, but, like Barbie made huge fucking news because it was a good movie focused on women, and that is something we don't have much more than every few years. Like, this isn't about women, this is about society.
Speaker 1:Society makes women unknowable.
Speaker 1:This is mind blowing and so interesting to me, and I feel like it's a conversation, as the finale of the show is revisiting some things and bringing us back to some things. I feel like we're actually doing that here as well, and there was an ongoing conversation I want to say in season two but I might be jumping around and that's where it was you, boss, saying this is not that groundbreaking, like a show about people figuring out how to fucking act, is not that groundbreaking? And meanwhile, thor and I are like feelings, feelings man smile.
Speaker 1:Right, and so, in an interesting way, what you just said about culture and women's culture, that piece that really resonates, I think. Yeah, is it that it's unknowable? Because at moments this is what I went to when you said that about like, well, he could know these things. He's just not been moved to, you know, encouraged to know them or penalized for not knowing them. And I was thinking about the number of times like it'll be whatever, but there'll be a younger guy and it's a conversation around heterosexual relationships, to be, you know, clear, and the younger guy will say so.
Speaker 1:I said, like an example I can specifically remember, this guy said that, whatever he was debating with his wife at the time, that he said I don't care, and the other three of us all went oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. But, like you know, it's been a long time since I met you and it's been like, well, it's been a long time, it's been a long time, and I don't care, like I don't care, but like, because we had gone down that path and had each at some point, it's time to give the big speech right. So yeah, I'm hearing you on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm going to sort of put a pin in this specific moment. I'm gonna try to mark it. I love so much that you said that you didn't have a movie moment to relate back to I'm gonna be talking about that later with some other stuff that's gonna come up and the importance of having those movie or TV or a shared reference where you could say like it has become actually increasingly easy for me to shorthand some of my childhood shit by saying like so, have you seen Shameless? Because if you have, you and I are immediately like on the same page on a lot of things, and also that I know you were interested in these types of things, I know exactly how far it out to go with this, so this road right, right, right.
Speaker 1:So I love that you said that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna bring it up later, cool, cool.
Speaker 3:Oh boss, I know I speak for every person listening. Say thank God, bosses on this show. Thank God, thank God, we love you. All right. So we get to this point where Roy is confused, doesn't know, and then, uh-oh, coach what happens. That sounds awfully like.
Speaker 1:This might be a tasty little treat for the diamond dogs, yep. And everybody makes their requisite dog sounds and calls and Roy, unfortunately no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's emphatically no. And then we get Beard saying so close, there's a moment obviously everyone has been waiting for. And then he turns to Trent, says can't wait to dive into this, trent, referencing the galley has been handed. And then we take it from there. Of course, beard being Beard the kind of guy who gets into a screaming match in a press conference about guitarists opens up page one, line one Nope derivative. And a derivative made me laugh.
Speaker 1:Truly out of and then overly prosaic, was like all right, I'm done, Like I can't take this anymore. And Trent says actually I'm just gonna pop out for a second, which I thought was very super British. I can't take this shit. Yeah, it was a good way to wrap up that scene. Yes, Sometimes it's tricky to do a scene that way, where you sort of set something up and then do a whole other thing and then come back to the first thing. But it was done well here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that was the inside baseball moment of being a writer, where you're like, oh, it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 2:You're like oh, here here actually True to fate.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And then if someone does what beer does you're like oh actually, yeah, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna stay for the play.
Speaker 2:I'm playing on that.
Speaker 3:Like, I'll read your notes later Woof, it just, yeah, feels like an attack. So, yes, do you have that nice little button on that scene? And then we continue. Now we are in Rebecca's office and boss who's in Rebecca's office with her.
Speaker 2:It's Keely and Leslie, as they keep referring to Higgins in this scene.
Speaker 3:Yeah, leslie, so.
Speaker 2:Keely doing her PR job says they wanna know if you have any comments on Rupert's divorce. And she says of course, but no comment. And Keely says smart. Higgins says classy, keely says moving on.
Speaker 3:Leslie and.
Speaker 2:I are asking if you have any comments on Rupert's divorce. The juicer the better. Safe space, because of course I want a dish on Rupert's divorce with Rebecca who, bless her heart, seems to not even be taking that much joy in it, which it's interesting.
Speaker 1:Now, this is a no-shodden foray zone of a different sort, as you just said that because, I thought like cause I didn't really consider what you just said, which is, yes, she's not like ha ha ha, which would communicate that she's still invested right. Like it's still like I'm hurt and I want you to hurt. She's like I don't give a shit. He over there fucking up, I'm livid, I am happiest, can be chilling with Leslie and Keely, whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's whatever, it's not even, it's not even that he's over there. It's like eh yeah, not my, I don't give a shit which is you know that attachment is gone, Like she has fully, fully moved on and like if Rupert could have seen her in this moment.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:He would have like deflated into, like a, like a pile of sand. It would have been like taking all the life out of him to see how much she had, you know, transcended their relationship.
Speaker 1:Well, everything's about him right. Yes, so truly, something not being about him is the worst outcome, and I will not bring up any present national fears. Okay, but no. But one thing I did want to point out to open this scene I think it was very intentional, I loved it in terms of the direction was we do a sort of like a tracking? It looks like they must be on tracks to do this, but like they slide, we slide into the scene. We're behind the desk, we emerge from behind the purse, we're behind the stuff that's on the desk and I feel like it gives us an immediate sense of overhearing and in a scene where we're going into the gossip and the whatever, like, it's very like we're peeking in and then we get to jump in the scene with them. So I just thought that was like a nice touch. You could have jumped straight in here and the scene's fine. Yes, but that was a nice touch to transition into this.
Speaker 3:I'm so happy you brought that up. Yeah, it gives you the fly on the wall. Quality Exactly. It's the same movement we did when we were looking at Sam and Simi in the kitchen. Yeah, the kitchen exact same kind of vibe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the show was excellent at it. So keep walking us through this boss. Once she says you know the juicier the better. Safe space also no comment. Keely blows a raspberry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some booing. She genuinely doesn't care anymore. What's next? And Higgins says we need to talk about who we're hiring to replace Ted and that she cares about very much. Her face immediately drops. You could tell that she is still not ready to actually talk about this. He hands her a folder and says that she's come up with a. Higgins has come up with a list of the usual names for her to look over and there's a weird part where she almost doesn't want to touch the folder, Like her hands come up very slowly in order to grab it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're making sure that everybody knows this is not what she wants to be doing today. She doesn't open it right. I can't think about that yet. Still a small sense of what I took to be denial, and I think we learned later in the show that it's actually strategic unwillingness to think about it quite yet. I think that she is still holding out her sort of last hurrah just to make sure she puts it all out there before she finally admits that Ted is leaving.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I literally have nothing to add. It's exactly right they do do. There's like a little insert shot Once they give her the folder of, like Keely looking at her with a very worried look, which is an indicator of okay, if Keely is that worried about her in this moment, this is serious. But yeah, that's it. She's not ready to do it, Higgins. There's a funny line where Higgins says I made a list of the usual suspects and I threw in a basketball coach from New Zealand just to spice it up a bit.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Which is amazing considering how bad Leslie is at time zones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also when a British person says, spice it up, I have to imagine it's not actually that spicy.
Speaker 3:So we don't even know Adding salt.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Like. Have you heard of?
Speaker 2:this there's something called pepper, yeah.
Speaker 3:Black pepper. Oh wee, It'll burn you all the way down.
Speaker 2:I do know somebody who one time said that he doesn't enjoy spice. He said that he can't have green peppers because they're too spicy for him. And I had to go onto the internet and show him. There's no capsaicin, which is the thing that makes it burn in peppers. I'm like it's none, it's zero.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he probably was thinking about jalapenos he wasn't he was not.
Speaker 2:I showed him the green pepper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah like this thing and he was like I don't eat that.
Speaker 2:I think it was like in fajitas or something.
Speaker 1:Just like the fact that the word pepper was involved was not yeah, but like listen, there's, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3:I have a Nordic constitution. I think this is why my dad is a half Swedish and half Polish and I, for a fraternity event. I joined a fraternity when I was in college to demean women.
Speaker 3:And no, it was. I knew one guy in this fraternity and I had heard it was the hardest fraternity and I was a writer and I was like, all right, I just want to write about it. I just want to like see what the hell this is. It was all those curious and so I didn't even know there were fraternities at the school. When I went I knew nothing about college, so I went and I did the whole process and then when the time came to brother in, I just walked out and I went back to my dorm and went to bed. I was like, yeah, I'm good, I don't need to, I just kind of wanted to, whatever. So, but there was part of this pledging process where they gave us this really spicy food and I don't think he was even that spicy for everybody else, but for me it was like have I mentioned this before on the podcast? My arms and legs went numb, oh.
Speaker 3:I couldn't feel my arms and legs Like, like, like could not feel like they call ambulance. No shit, yeah, they were like what. So it's like when you say to some it's funny because coach is taking me out. We went to a little was a Jamaican place we went to and trying to think, coach wanted to show me plantains. I didn't know a whole lot about plantains and he took me out for this meal and the food was great. But like, even like a Jamaican jerk chicken, I can, I can feel it in my body, and not in a good way, not where it's like, hey, I'm feeling, like I'm, I'm like, well, I'm, yeah, something is going on that is not meant to be going on.
Speaker 3:You know, and so I, I'm just saying I'm, I'm living proof that spices can do something. I don't know what it is, but I wish, I wish I could have the palate where I go. Yeah, yeah, put on some more of that Tabask, like Juliana will put. Tabasko would make you know, like eggs or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, throw Tabasko on just to give it a kick, yes, and like, even so, I will make them for her. And then I will ask it like I'll get some Tabasko on my thumb and not even like thinking about it, I'll lick it and I'll be like, oh Jesus, like just cannot, yeah, yeah, I'm like it's not bad, it's terrible. I didn't ask for it, but I'm saying this is, this is a thing so like if you anyone listening, if you ever want to kill me, just send me a fucking lime of bean and or whatever anything with little little salt on it.
Speaker 3:I mean it's just, yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2:I have to admit, I don't make myself French toast that often, but one time I screwed up and grabbed a little jar of nutmeg to shake into the milk and egg batter, not realizing that it was actually cayenne pepper. And the thing is, it was good. But the thing is, now I add a little bit of cayenne to my French toast.
Speaker 1:I was like oh my God, is that like the day you almost died, Like, oh my God, I was like this nutmeg is too red and checked it, but like just a tiny little bit yeah, just just a tiny.
Speaker 3:Did you ever see Shaka Lot, the movie Shaka Lot?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, so like a mole type thing, yes.
Speaker 3:Yep, yeah right, exactly yeah. She made like a special hot chocolate. She put a little cayenne pepper in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's delicious yeah.
Speaker 3:If you have to air it.
Speaker 2:You need a tiny bit of cayenne. It makes it better.
Speaker 1:The cultural piece is so interesting, coach, first of all, I love that and I'm going to try that with French toast, just so we're all clear. I'm taking that also as like.
Speaker 3:let me try that, but I thought you meant you're going to kill me.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, that's funny too. I was like, wait, that's funny.
Speaker 3:Hey, no, I will try to.
Speaker 1:Who would put a jalapeno in a bowl of cereal? What's such an odd thing to do? No, but in my family it was like I still remember there were certain dishes that like there'd be a kid version made and I remember actively, like willing my way to being able to eat the adult spicy version, Like that was one of my ways of asserting like I'm a big boy now Right, and so it's. It's. And I watch Alex, who I, my son. He not only does he love to eat spicy things and that's like a thing between us on some level but there's nothing he enjoys more than, specifically, if his mother has some and she's like from the Haitian family, so they'll like, eat like actual fire, but like. But there's nothing he enjoys more than if she says, oh, this is spicy, then to take a bite and be like there's no big deal. Like he.
Speaker 1:I watched this dynamic for years now it's and he loves. I could just see the joy on his face to be like eh, you're a lightweight compared to me, but yeah, no, it's actually in the opposite direction. It's kind of like it's those who can't take the spice that you're like. Are you OK? Like what's wrong with you? Are you really one of us, or what's going on here? So, anyway, that's. It's true. There's a definite cultural piece to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's got to be. I'm like, this is not, it's not a choice.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you no, you can just go your legs. I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 1:That is less than ideal at brunch, so yeah, we back in the scene though, coach, sorry, yes, I wanted to say, because you said no, boss said denial. And I thought, oh, wait a minute, you're absolutely right, it is denial. And I thought stages of grief. And we watch Rebecca. And now I think we can mark him as we go. We watch Rebecca go through the stages of grief in this episode. We watch it, and I didn't clock that specific piece, but we I just checked it Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, and I'm like, yep, yep, she does the entire thing.
Speaker 3:I love that, coach. I think you're right. Oh, that's hard. It's hard to watch. I don't want to go through any of that for it.
Speaker 1:I know this is where you go when you go.
Speaker 3:Ok, I can sort of, you know, I can sort of sort of watch this from the outside or I can sort of experience it from the inside and people who love the show have have a. You know it's not a relationship with Rebecca, but you, but you, you try to. You want to see her act and so, oh for sure you know you have this beat where you know it's going to be difficult for her when she got to the bargaining beat and we'll do the specifics of the scene, but I was so on.
Speaker 1:I was in no moment in the seat in the entire series, was I? So not on Ted's side as in that scene. I was like that's a good plan, you jerk Like I was just was like.
Speaker 3:The scene coming up. I see a scene coming up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's coming, it's, it's ahead of us.
Speaker 3:I don't want to like say all it goes on.
Speaker 1:But it's a. It's a scene where she lays out like hey, what about? You know, we maybe can do this? And he's you know, it's clear that that's not how it's going to go and I'm like what's wrong with that plan? You stupid Ted. Exactly, exactly what is his. His son called PP fingers, stupid PP fingers.
Speaker 2:Yep, Do the hands PP fingers.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:There's a beat, if you remember, in the final game against Manchester City, where Higgins, he just freezes and he doesn't want to jinx it, so he stays and whatever right. And we respected, like hell, how far him and Rebecca have come, where she's like okay, like yeah, you do your thing In this moment. Here's the book, end of that where she says, right, I can't think about that yet. And he says, okay, after the season, like, and I'm like, oh my God, these two like we opened the show with her debating whether or not to shit can his ass out, and we saw his arc and his apology tour and taking accountability Again. This show has been so much about accountability and now you get this. Once they both kind of come through their individual fires, we have this really um, generative relationship between the two of them when it's like I'm here for you to, as you be, as you are, who you need to be right.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. And if you're if at this moment that's not a conversation you can have, I'll do what I need to do to make it so that that's okay. Right, because I'm sure somebody on that list is going to get hired between now and this, now after the season conversation. Like, the reason teams get going on that kind of thing is because it's a cycle, right, and everybody starts figuring out musical chairs where everybody's going to land. There's some people on that list that are going to be gone by then and he does the calculus that you know. All right, well, they'll be gone. Rebecca's not ready to talk about it yet. Maybe we'll have to hire a basketball coach, which I also took as a nod to Ted. It's like, hey, a football football coach from America was the best thing that ever happened to us. Maybe we'll try a basketball coach from Australia. We'll see what happens next. So I thought that was cool too. But yeah, I love their relationship. I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it's true, and that is a weird. I like that little twist. I also think that the show totally blew it by not having the final scene of the entire thing be like just like it's. You have it zoomed in really tight on a pair of cleats and then you scroll up and you realize it's Ted and you go past like his pants and his jacket and you realize he's in the manager attire of the Kansas City Royals and he's got a baseball cap on.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's got another sport.
Speaker 3:And he goes to and he's like all right, boys, let's bring in spits, and fucks up the spit or whatever. And then you cut and you're like, wait a second, is he the fucker? You're like that's funny. You know just to put in people's.
Speaker 2:I actually would not be bad with that. I just think that he it would make more sense if he was coaching a major league team rather than the triple A Royals.
Speaker 3:Wow, that is a for people listening around the world. Boss just insulted a professional sports franchise in Kansas City, claiming they're not really that good. I mean it's been a while for the Royals. I'll be honest, it's been a while. I mean, wouldn't that make sense, the Royals coming from?
Speaker 2:London, the Royals. Well, one other thing that I should make clear. I'm pretty sure that I'm stealing that either from Hawke Harrelson or Ed Farmer. I'm pretty sure it's Hawke Harrelson. He's consistently referred to them as the triple A Royals, as I roast, while he was announcing the White Sox games.
Speaker 3:But it's, oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. It must have been Ed Farmer then but one of them would call him the triple A.
Speaker 2:Royals would like just roast him but it was because the Royals were consistently bad for at least 10 years. Regardless of how the White Sox were doing, the Royals were doing poorly. And the Royals would whoop our ass. Every time we played them In 2005, when we led the league wire to wire and won the World Series, they would fucking come into town to clean up and it was so sad and we would get so angry about it. So it was personal. It's a personal thing.
Speaker 1:He needed to insult them. He needed to.
Speaker 2:He needed to let them know. Fucking triple A Royals.
Speaker 3:The Royals that is really goddamn fine. I mean they won in 2015, but before that there was a dry spell since 1985.
Speaker 1:So that is a yes, this is what I'm talking about. That's what I was trying to remember.
Speaker 3:And this is reminiscent of remember in season one, when I think it was Rebecca Gray again, but it was Richmond had to go north to play Everton right and coach. What was it? How long had they not beaten Everton?
Speaker 1:It was like 60 something years. It was like eight. What I do remember from that moment is not the number, but was that Beard and Coach are kind of brushing it aside and then they say how many years it is and Beard turns around and I believe says no, Jesus, fucking Christ. I believe was the actual explanation. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's. Oh, there was something like that in the NFL this year too. It was like the Jets have never the Eagles.
Speaker 1:They had never beaten the Eagles ever. That's just a thing that had never happened in NFL history was the Jets beating the Eagles. I was like, how is that possible? How is that possible? That's exactly right. I've watched football for 40 years and I was like, come on, Really Never. I mean that team had never beaten that team Very crazy.
Speaker 3:I can't believe that lead was buried. That should have been something that everybody knew every time they played.
Speaker 2:I really you would think like that's the story.
Speaker 3:that was like, oh, will this be the first time? Anyway, yeah, craziness. So I really love that Higgins says, okay, right, okay, after the season. Then, oh, last thing for me on a happier note, which is nice, now that we have a guaranteed spot in the Champions League next season, and then you get this moment where they all do their hands and this little fan, fan, fan girl.
Speaker 1:Remember that's Keely's thing, that she thought Rebecca was making fun of, and then Rebecca said no, it's actually just so perfect that I couldn't improve upon it, so I did it too. So it's like everyone Keely's out in that moment.
Speaker 3:I had forgotten about that. That is amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Keely's thing.
Speaker 2:I'm really putting us to shame with some of this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, coach Damn.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's great.
Speaker 3:But that is a beautiful little moment. Champions League next season. It's also sort of it's funny because in their little world this little kind of crew up in Rebecca's office, the office crew, that's the big thing. But Champions League Rebecca wouldn't have given two shits about this in the beginning. She wouldn't have. She was trying to destroy the team.
Speaker 1:Yeah she was going the other way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was like actually excited about it and doesn't care about Rupert, who was you know. The whole thing is just beautiful. Her arc is amazing. One of the reasons why her and Jamie were the only people that are in our post season poll were like perfect characters. But they have this moment and we've seen this version of this kind of excitement with the Diamond Dogs, like that was the moment when Ted got to shake hands with Pat. There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Pat, sorry, yeah, thank you. We got to shake hands with Pat and him and Beard shared that moment, so it's nice to have these little moments of excitement you know, just to toss it, really to like sidetrack with it.
Speaker 1:but there's something cool about their willingness to be uncool, right Like there's a version of that where he shakes Pat's hand. He's like yeah, I'm a big time coach now too, no big deal. But to fanboy out, it actually makes me like Ted even more and respect Ted's achievement even more. And in this case, again, like they could have been like oh well, yeah, of course we're in a Champions League where we belong, but there's something about them sort of geeking out around it that goes like oh, that's awesome, Okay, yes.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I agree. And also to have my son. I have a son who's a sort of a math savant kind of kid and he would remember he went to his high school teacher and he said look at this. Like he showed the teacher something he had discovered. And the teacher's like, oh yeah, that's really cool, there's a way about my pay grade. But and my son was like, wait, what Like above your pay grade? Like he's like I don't, because the dude was like interested, you know in a certain way. But he's also like this is the first time I saw him realize like oh, this is a job for him, like he's willing to go do this, but he's not. And he came home to me and he's like wait, are people like not lifelong learners, like people stop learning at a certain point? I'm like, yeah, like, and so this is like for me it's a version of that, where it's like people stop being excitable.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:You know we talk about coaches sometimes like I know everything. You know. One of the reasons coach you and I, like a former Giants coach Tom Coughlin, was because he was one of those, like we used to write in our message boards this joyless fuck.
Speaker 2:We used to hate him.
Speaker 3:We used to hate his guts, and then he totally reinvented himself Yep. And ended up winning two Super Bowls because he did yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 3:And we go oh my God, right, and he stopped, he was not excitable. Yeah, he would never have done that. Talk about old dog blue tricks.
Speaker 1:I mean, that was awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, and I never would have attributed to a guy like that. He was like seriously, like an old white guy, You're like he's not going to, he's not going to be willing to learn anything.
Speaker 1:Like no, but there's something yet about bringing that excitement to things that's fun, Like yeah, when we're child liking that way.
Speaker 3:Listen, I challenge people. I say like, like, like. I know that we on the podcast are people who are excitable. We get excited. I go on the community site and everything people post there it gets me fucking giddy. So I'm easily excitable. But you meet people in your life where you're like huh, are you just like fire's gone out or something like that, like maybe there's beating down or whatever. We're like wow, they really just not a whole lot for them to look forward to, especially if they get in a rut or especially if they get into a. Sometimes there's a system I know like in my neck of the woods you'll have a middle class, upper middle class. You know some of the families that our kids go to school with where they're like we do this every weekend and then we do this and I'm like uh-huh, okay. And then you're like wow.
Speaker 2:It's always funny to hear a white guy do a white guy voice. That's funny, that's always really good.
Speaker 3:That was a white lady.
Speaker 1:That's what's even worse, that was my white lady voice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, my God. Well, it's just like okay, we can't deviate from like it's always skiing and doing. You're like, okay, Like, great Like, but I don't just so, it's like they have to, because that, for them, is, you know, the picture of success. But they're not even they'll do it. But they're also like an, a bitch about it the whole time while they do it. And I'm like well, then, don't fucking do it.
Speaker 1:Do something else. Yeah, do something else.
Speaker 3:They does not compute. Anyway, lovely people, but sometimes whew boy.
Speaker 2:Well, and also there is something Like I grew up in a time where it was you should be too cool for school, Like if you get excited about something, that means that you're a nerd or whatever else.
Speaker 2:One of my five. We have the most interesting, lovely relationship. We know the actual literal day that we met because it happened to be the women's March after 2017 inauguration. Yes, so she is literally the only person in my life where I'm like we have an anniversary and it's this day and we're going to text each other for friendship aversary and then, like we started hanging out Wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I don't mean to. I want to hear this, but you met at the women's March, yes, and then you became pals.
Speaker 2:So she was actually a breeder on an earlier website. We like had sort of crossed paths and we were both going to be at this.
Speaker 2:So we were like, hey, we should meet up and just meet in real life Because of this website that we both enjoyed. But so we know, when we met in person and then we became better friends and now she's one of my five, she was one of my closest people. I love her so, so much. We went to a protest rally together during the automatic separations at the border the family separations like to protest, and at the March. She has told me since she's like one of my like one of the moments where I'm like you and I are we're going to be tight, we are friends now is that at the March I was like, oh my God, that's Susanna Mendoza. She was like who? And I was like it's Susanna Mendoza, it's the Illinois State Controller. She's like are you fangirling about the Illinois State Controller? I'm like a little, a tiny bit, awesome.
Speaker 3:Like a little, a little bit. I was worried for a second because I was like who is? I have no idea, I love that I had that moment too.
Speaker 1:I was like see the Illinois.
Speaker 3:State Controller.
Speaker 1:Illinois State.
Speaker 2:Controller, of course.
Speaker 1:That's great, of course. That's so awesome.
Speaker 2:She was like, okay, we're in love, we have to be in love now. So, yeah, go ahead and fangirl out, and then sometimes you make a lifelong friend, who knows?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, for me that is that has consistently been something that I've been attracted to in people and I don't need you to feel that Like the fact that you that's a real story, that you really you know who that is and you fangirled out because that's your thing, and that's always been fascinating to me. I have listened to people talk about shit that I'm like I've never cared about it before now and I promise you I'm not going to care about it after now. But for this moment where you're telling me about it, I am as fascinated as you are and it's really just that they bring that energy to it and you're just like wow, I just I feed off that. I just love that energy.
Speaker 2:That like yeah, you just into it. Tell me about something you love, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:I could do that all day. Tell me about something.
Speaker 3:Well, that also presupposes that you're capable of loving something with that kind of passion.
Speaker 3:And that's magnetic. Yes, when people are really into things, you just go, yeah, all right, like it's so much better than the alternative. You know, it's like I just don't even know how to function Sometimes. I just go and I'm like I don't. You know what I mean. It's just not. We had a new thing for my daughter's class, fourth grade class, and it was parents' night and they said go around the room. The mom who's in charge of the parents' committee I don't know her very well, but I really like her. She's really sweet, like really nice person and she had this idea. She's like why don't you go around and everyone say your favorite movie? I was like great. I was like at the end, I was like I was in that moment where you're in the circle and you're like shit, are they going to start on my side?
Speaker 2:or are they going to start on my side, right, right.
Speaker 3:I was like when they started on the other side. So they start going around and a couple of people right off the bat home run movies. Somebody's like Princess Bride, some dude, and I'm like yep, like okay, we'll be talking after, like hello, hello, friend, you know. And then it gets to like the third person and she's like I don't really, I don't watch a lot of like movies or TV, so I don't, I wouldn't know about that one, but like, and I was like oh, okay, like, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 3:I don't know what I have to do, but I was like, but like nothing, like, never, like, couldn't even be. Like Charlie's Angel, like, like, like anything you've ever seen or go. I also like the one that Jeff said you know, or, or you know, mary's, I'm just like, because I'm like that I don't know. Okay, fine, you don't have to, it could just be a maybe. Maybe there there's someone who's I have a younger sister who's a scientist. I remember her saying she's a microbiologist and, and in the time that we left college, my pop culture, knowledge has exploded. Like right, because it's my field, I watch everything, I read everything, I absorb as much as I can, and she's meanwhile in a lab all day, and so sometimes I'll make references. She's like I don't know, like let's say something very basic, or I'm like oh, yeah, so on the wire, or something. She's like on the what.
Speaker 3:I'm like you don't know what it's like, like you know, like in my like kids, like you know, like three heads are like what are you?
Speaker 1:possible to exist.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:So. So that's a defense for the, the mom in the in the class saying like I really don't know, but I'm like I just I you know, okay, fine, but then have then sort of jump in with something else and make me, make me understand, like what, fine, oh listen, I don't have a. Actually I can't even think of a movie in them and have social anxiety. So I'm a little freaked out now. But let me tell you my favorite book or just like you know, whatever just be, I don't know. Anyway, but yeah, you just want people with passion and and it's so charming and coach you have a coach was visiting his back in Brooklyn. Was it last weekend or the weekend before?
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean I stopped off. But yeah, I was, it was last weekend.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So you're in New York and then you're in Brooklyn and he was meeting friends and and I was like God, you know they? They say the thing Like if you come out of your life with three good friends, like consider yourself lucky. Boss always talks about her five. She references it all the time. Coach has like 74.
Speaker 3:That feels correct, that feels right, yeah, it's a scene amount of people who would like run through fire to the point where, like now I remember I've referenced this before I had a we, we, there's a big Hollywood wedding. I had this friend in Hollywood and she's like, she is super successful Coach. I'm not going to tell you who who it is, but you'll know when I start describing it. But she's super, she's had an amazing career and she's very talented. But her biggest skill set is the thing they said Bill Clinton used to have, which is like if you're in the room with her, it's like the sun is shining on you.
Speaker 3:She just makes you feel special and and and I will speak from experience it's almost like being on a drug, I don't know how, because she's so focused on you and she pays attention and she knows what you're talking about and she remembers your little things. Like she's the kind of person that'll be like oh yeah, what's your? Like. If she hears your sister's child's name or something like that, she'll remember it four years from now. She'll be like hey, how's, how's what? And he goes oh my God, like it's so flattering, especially because you know she's got this huge social group. It's a real superpower. The funniest thing was to get invited to her wedding and when I went there I remember, uh, juliana and I were watching and it was the first time that the 17 bridesmaids didn't know they were her maid of like. Like she knew they weren't the maid of honor but they, but they like they all thought you know what I mean. They didn't know they were like her main squeeze kind of thing.
Speaker 3:And it was like so funny to see that dawn dawn on them, you know, because some people are just so good at that. So what I'm saying is like I sort of you know, resent coach, yeah, yeah, so many people that love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could say I saw very lucky on that front. I've had some really great friends over the years.
Speaker 3:So we got into this by talking about Higgins and Rebecca and how far their relationship has come. And it says now we have a guaranteed spot and they have the excitement and we've all had many we've had, have had many requests to buy a piece of the club. Okay, well, shit, okay.
Speaker 2:On a happier note, that is a happier note right.
Speaker 3:You forget that it's a business sometimes because it doesn't feel like this business in particular is being run like a business at all, which is wonderful. Our value is at an all-time high, so it's worth considering. You give up 49 percent, retain full control and make a huge pile of cash. We could buy more players, run it in the stadium and Keely says what here, boss?
Speaker 2:Ooh, we could buy some of those heated seats. They're great. In February, Higgins accidentally turned his on in June one time and also almost melted his crack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know what the hell to do with that. It was so funny to me that he shared it the way he did and it was like I guess that's okay, like we're all close enough for that now, but I just I cracked. I just thought like, wow, that is a lot of information.
Speaker 3:It's so funny. Yeah, it's funny. Go ahead boss.
Speaker 2:I was only going to say this is probably one of the best advertisements for all-continent underwear. Don't get anything with synthetics in there, because obviously that's going to create a problem. Natural fibers are the way to go.
Speaker 3:That's a. You know this is good. We should. I'm glad again we have a woman on the show. It's important because there's this sort of revolution of men's underwear. You know, like in the men's shaving world I don't know if it's hit the women's shaving this is so fascinating. We never really talked about this, but in the men's shaving world everybody was sort of using chic and Gillette and then each razor cost you like you had to like take a down payment on your house to get a razor. Like when you're like wait, what the? I know my dad used to shave with one of those old metal razors. He'd drop in a razor on the top like a straight razor. It's not like no, it's not like straight razor like you think like opens up and they kill people and bad guys kill them in movies. It's just like a actual razor blade Like a rectangle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, a rectangle, you put it in the top and then you spin the bottom and it closes the jaws to kind of cool and he would shave with that and he would cut himself to shreds Like a stupid. Ugh used to drive me crazy and I remember I bought him. I bought him like a nice, like Gillette razor on time, like dad you, because he'd come into work. We worked together. I would help him out in his business and he'd come in with like little pieces of paper on his face, like to hold off the cut.
Speaker 3:And I'm like dad, what Like are you? Okay, I'm like it's, you know, it's like a whole. There's a whole new era in shaving. You can just, you know, use better things. And he would not. So he let me give him the razor. But he said, all right, I'll use it after I'm done with all my other razors. I'm not gonna, I will get it. And he admitted. He said yours is better, I admit it, but I'm not gonna. I already spent the money on the other razor blades, anyway. So there was a revolution in shaving where this other under it's called Hairies or something, or I don't even know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they made like a whole new shave club. So there's all these different ways of saying like listen, why are you paying these conglomerates all your money when you can shave for you know 90% cheaper?
Speaker 1:And so you started on the underwear that you got. You got taken into the razors.
Speaker 3:Yes, underwear is the same thing. It was like how come it's only hains or fruit of the loom, like, what? Like we can just do this better. So men's underwear have a little thing in the front where you can open it up. And some underwear places are like why I just pull it down, I don't want to open it up. You know so. Or it's like oh, you know not, as many men are wearing tidy whiteies more of wearing boxer briefs, and so like, let's renovate how the material you use so it holds your to your thighs better. So it's this whole sort of you know, revolution in.
Speaker 1:I have actually this is true given a talk where I talked about innovation. It was an innovation fest that happens in Philly, so I was there virtually and I actually used the boxer brief as my Really yeah, as like one of the great like I presented. I mean, obviously I was going a little over the top, but I presented as like one of the great innovations of our time was the boxer brief. And I was like here people were being binary, boxers are briefs and back is like the best of all worlds. And then I go into a whole thing of like ladies, you know, if you want to understand men, understand boxer brief, we want to be supported but not crowded. That usually gets a good little laugh. And then I go into my innovation talk. So, yeah, so, but no, I really do. I really present the boxer brief as like the literally the best thing since sliced bread. Like I have a slide and I'm like, okay, sliced bread. And then the next thing was the boxer brief, like that's the.
Speaker 3:When I was a kid I went to, I totally played soccer in Australia. I've mentioned it many times on this, but there was this on the podcast. There was this thing where I remember saying I was we were billeted with families, and so, you know, part of the reason that you could afford this was you would stay with families that would sponsor you, and one of the families I stayed with, the dude I stayed with, could not believe that I didn't wear like they were like bikini briefs, like they were like patterned banana hammocks, you know, and he was blown away Like when he's like. He saw me in boxers and I just, but back then it was like boxers were like they weren't.
Speaker 2:You know, there's like a short, almost you know it was like a, but I used to get really crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I used to get a crazy patterns and stuff and so I remember it was like a thing. It was just could not like to the point where I remember him telling people like that this was a case and then his sister and her friends came in and was like can you please take your pants off?
Speaker 2:Which that's exactly how you want to hear that A group of women with, like a medical pointers, like, can you go ahead and take your pants off?
Speaker 3:for us it was an Australian accent, I was like what the hell? Like it was amazing. So no, it was just so, so damn funny. But, boss, we've talked about how men's underwear has gone through this metamorphosis, where it's amazing, and women's, on the other hand, you guys had to go through your thong era.
Speaker 1:Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:Where is it now on the sort of spectrum?
Speaker 2:So I can't remember if we were recording for this or not, but I know that I have told coach Bishop, but on a different podcast, that I listened to one of the guys that do it because unfortunately it's three white guys. They happen to be brothers. It's great podcast, don't worry about that. All three of them are dads at this point and one of them was trying to explain, like it's not that, I'm trying not to be cool, I am just out the game Like I can't. I don't even know enough to know how much I don't know anymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, you mentioned this. I'm just, I'm out.
Speaker 2:I can't. So I have. I get the same bikini briefs from Gap every few months and like go ahead and send me another six pack or whatever it is, so maybe that's it. I know that also the big underwear is popular with the younger crowds now like they actually wear it up past their belly buttons.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's like a thing for them, though I do know that one time I was driving this was not a bunch of years ago, but maybe like five or six years ago I was riding in the car with one of my five best friend from high school and I can't remember why. We were talking about underwear, but I was like, yeah, but what are you supposed to do? Like just go, and as I am trying to list the underwear that I wear, she said, yeah, like a thong from Victoria's Secret and I'm like a six pack of Haynes. So I think that there might still be some women out there that are like rocking some fancier underpants, but I definitely was. Like a fruit of the loom Sounds amazing, as long as it's cotton and fun.
Speaker 3:There's a great, you know you take your information where you can get it. There's a great when you go to Reddit. You can put yourself in a position where you're surrounded by incels and crazies and lunatics. But there's also places Reddit that are just wonderful, and there's one. There's a subreddit I subscribed to called Infographics. There's another one called Cool Guides, and they usually have pictures and these cool infographics about things and I'm a visual learner so it's really good for me. But I remember them talking about the price of cloth per item. So it was like if you get a square inch of cloth from Levi's, it costs you this, you know. It's like there was the value of that once it has the Levi's label on it, and it was like Victoria's Secret was like a higher profit margin than cocaine. It was like because there's so little of it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 3:You know, if you're just looking from a cloth standpoint, like just the numbers behind it.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's fucking wild. The shit that they'd be like this should cost you $17.50. And it was an eye patch, like it was so little coverage, there was nothing to it, it weighed nothing, it would not register on a scale. You could get like one of those fucking baking scales that goes down to the grams and they're like there is nothing on here and you were paying $17.50 for it. At least that was the last time that I paid for under wear at Victoria's Secret. It cost him a lot.
Speaker 3:Unbelievable. Well, so Higgins does clearly not have any of these fancy new male boxer briefs. He nearly melted his bullsum crack together. That suggests that it's like made of putty or something Can be melted and reshaped, reformed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a lot. There was a lot of visualizing that I, you know.
Speaker 2:Also that apparently he has a top crack, which.
Speaker 3:OK, moving right along, we say he's just thinking about it. Anyway, it's only 49% and so he's done with there. And then, boss, what does Rebecca kind of jump in at this point. You know he's like, OK, I'm just going to put this on the table and that's kind of it.
Speaker 2:As he's walking out, she says Leslie, how much would I get if I sold the entire club? And there's a little bit of it, Like it immediately spins her head Is there a? Rebecca Can't believe that this would even be discussed and she says well, why not? I only wanted the club in order to destroy Rupert, and since I don't care about that anymore, obviously, he's doing a pretty good job of that himself.
Speaker 2:He's doing a pretty good job of that himself. Yeah, man, he's really screwed himself over. So come on, leslie, how much? And he says I don't know. Off the top of my head, I'd say $2 billion. And the responses all around are oh fuck me. Because, yeah, however much money she has, $2 billion is still a shit ton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't care who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a real amount of money. The spit take, I mean we've gone over the fuck me's right. So we've had the biscuit and we've had the tea from our friend in Amsterdam, and now the $2 billion which I think we got into a little bit in the rapid response. So it's definitely a big shocker and there is a moment there where you're like $2 billion, that was a lot of money. If you get out of a deal and you walk away with $2 billion, it's kind of hard to argue that you lost that deal period. So, yeah, I guess that's now on the table. She may just sell this team and walk away with her $2 billion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it's amazing Sometimes you look at what sports franchises are worth these days. I mean it makes sense. They had a relegated level team bottom feeders and they happenstance. It's just sort of a happy occurrence. But with the intent of trying to destroy it, she hired the exact wrong coach for that and he turned this thing into an absolute monster.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and kids are now walking around with their jerseys, and then the new versions of the jerseys, and then the new sponsored jerseys, and I'm sure there are any story like this. People are going nuts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we don't talk about rexim enough. But yeah, boss is smiling. Now, boss, turn your mic on. I know.
Speaker 1:I still got to get to it, ok, sorry.
Speaker 2:No, it's just that I was thinking that. Exactly what I actually was thinking was Rebecca maybe doesn't realize that she is worth $2 billion right now, but she has $2 billion in assets if she owns the team. Even if she didn't think like I'm a billionaire, of course you're a billionaire, you own this team. And there is a small part of me that thought you don't sell the team. You use the equity in the team in order to get money, in order to do other things. And Castleton is now. He can't believe. He's shaking his head. I'm not saying I love you, I love you.
Speaker 2:I love you. I love you too. I am not saying that you do bad things with it. I am saying we learn at the end of this episode that there are other opportunities that she might be taking in the football world. Or you could go pay for a team that has no money in Wales or in I don't know fucking Estonia or Africa or South America. Like you could use the goodwill from Jesus Christ why can't I remember what the Greyhounds are called right now From Richmond, jesus, you could use that goodwill and that money in order to prop up other teams and get other communities involved and make sure that there are maize all across the world whose bars will sell out, because you are bringing a good coaching method and a good community message to all these other teams everywhere.
Speaker 1:So the boss is just spreading sunshine all over the place, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm saying you go to fucking out there in the middle of Australia, whether you have no football clubs, and you teach kids about community and teamwork and football and you make money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that would be good. Nobody invests in Africa, though, that's just.
Speaker 2:No, historically we just go and take shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say.
Speaker 2:Did I have something there we could snatch?
Speaker 1:real quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they don't only invest as much as a smash and grab Historically how we like to do it.
Speaker 1:Actually seriously smash. We don't need to go down the whole route, but seriously smash and grab Like just robberies. Like it's not complex at all, it's just like we're just going to take this shit. See you later. Wow, yeah, that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:My fucking favorite. When I got to go to London last year, I did go to the British History Museum.
Speaker 2:I was like a lot of this shit isn't British. A lot of this shit is not British. And one of the common defenses of London having this shit that they say this is from India, or this is from South Africa or this is from wherever else. They're like, oh well, we're not sure if they'd be able to safeguard it. After all, somebody just came in and stole it before it's like yeah, you motherfuckers did it. Fucking you guys did.
Speaker 1:You rolled in and stole the shit and now you're like well, obviously you can't be trusted with it. We took it from you, fucking great.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it's the worst.
Speaker 1:Castle. Something sparked for Castle. What are you off tracking down man?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. What are you googling about now?
Speaker 3:No, no, it's so funny. I was reading this book. This is a. I love this topic. There's a great.
Speaker 3:There is a great library here in Boston and they have all these great talks and one of them was an author named William Dalrymple and he wrote a book called the Anarchy and it was about. The library is called the Boston Athenaeum and you can. I urge people to go. First of all, always support your local libraries. This is like the happiest place on earth.
Speaker 3:I'm not a member. I can't afford it. That's the only reason I can't get it. With my drive times. I can't get enough time in Boston proper to be at the Athenaeum. But they host these virtual lectures and one of them was this guy who wrote about the Anarchy, which is about the British East India Company.
Speaker 3:And you talk about Smashing Grab If you don't know the scope of it, you just go. Wait, what I thought I knew? I was like, oh no, they're really bad, but it is nothing you ever. Anyway, first of all, I urge people to visit the Athenaeum. The website is BostonAthaneumorg. It is an amazing, amazing place. Every week I go to free lectures and hear authors speak and it's just seriously. It's a fount of knowledge you can get online. Every once in a while they charge you five bucks if you're not a member, which is unbelievable reasonable for what you get. But yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot when you know about that stuff. But yes, it is good that Rebecca has this sort of nut now to back up whatever she's interested in financing. And I, like the coach, points out the fuck me part of it, which is that's her big reaction. That's the patented Rebecca Welton. Holy fuck, big moment.
Speaker 1:Well, it's also her at her most exposed, emotional. I mean, because Rebecca is the person who knows not to shake hands and is the person I mean, even when she just asked about the price right, she was, ok, leslie, come on with it. And then the fuck me cuts through all of that. We're to pure Rebecca-ness at that point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when she reacts to this moment, she actually is in her own space for a second, like she, almost like I don't know how to describe it Well, visually she is.
Speaker 1:I mean, she gets a single on that.
Speaker 3:Right, they give her a single where she's not looking at anybody, she's not reacting. It's funny, I wonder. I remember, god. I don't know what it's like to be a millionaire. I know it's like to be a hundred air. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3:I remember I was growing up one of my friends the big thing, his dad was a lecture. He would do a business sort of lecture, and I remember the stories. I knew his dad very well and his dad was sort of he was bragging, which is that generation. But he would say, yeah, I bought my first rolls when I was 29 years old, 29, I made my first million and I bought a Rolls Royce. And I remember thinking about the moment you become a millionaire and like how that must feel to become a millionaire.
Speaker 3:And then the happy part of the story is then my friend became a millionaire when he was very successful in the film industry and he became a millionaire when he was like 27, 26 or 27, beat his dad and my friend would never say that. We would never call attention to it, whatever. It was just super happy and a good thing. But I know there was a quiet sense of pride about him being like oh yeah, and I didn't have to. Like you know I wasn't even that guy. That was like I'm going to buy a Roll, you know, like he was not that guy. And so look at this moment with Rebecca and I'm like and we know that she worked as a bartender but coach and boss you both have alluded to the fact that, like you believe, she definitely comes for money and you know she has that sort of trappings of an expensive childhood and she might be exploring here like wow, I have more money than my father.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. I feel like that definitely could be something. I think also she might be thinking I have more money than Rupert, even if I wanted to.
Speaker 1:I wondered that because the team she took over was not worth to. Yes, yes, that's right, even if she is entirely over him.
Speaker 2:I think that there is something about like she. They both did care about the team at some point. She still cares about the team. It's the team that her dad rooted for, and I'm sure that that had something to do with her falling in love with Rupert in the first place. And when Rupert had the team, even though he cared about it, it was a failing business venture and not doing well as a sports team, and she threw, you know, dumb luck. In a lot of ways has managed to turn it into a winning team that has made her a shit ton of money. So I wouldn't not be thinking about that in her position.
Speaker 3:Yeah, can you imagine the culture under Rupert and George Cartrick? I mean I can't. It would be like a prison sentence. But yes, it has. She has turned it around and, yeah, it's a. It's a beautiful thing and it's nice to see this moment with Rebecca because, you know, for whatever reason, it's a long time coming and you know, when people talk about karma, I look, I think back about. You know, we all build these. You're always stacking these bricks of your foundational existence on this planet, in this world, and I think about the moment when Rebecca you know they must have had some divorce proceeding where she demanded to take the team Right. Maybe it wasn't worth as much as the house and whatever, but she's like no, fuck you, I'm getting like.
Speaker 3:You know it was like a thing, right, but coach and boss are both nodding right now silently. But yes, but we have a sense that that moment happened, right. And then I think about the moment with the auction in season one, where Rupert walks in and his dinner jacket he's so charming and wins everybody out and she's like they just love him Right and and. But they were building different things and you can only go so far. I mean, listen, I don't have proof of this, because I, because I can't say that the karma always wins, because I think about Jerry Jones, and then I know I'm not right about it, but but you know, there's certain people where you're like I don't know how they, how they're getting away with what they get away with, but you know, at the end of the day, rebecca ends up with a $2 billion franchise and Rupert is through through only his own actions. You know what do they say? Like, oh no, what is it? Look? Oh no, the the consequences of my Right, right, right, right, boss, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, look, it's the consequences of my own actions. Yeah, yes, I want to say that Gina from Gina from Brooklyn Nine-Nine, says something about that. How could I expect that I would have to pay for the consequences of my own actions?
Speaker 1:Exactly Right. Yes, like that and she's like, but what, what is this Right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, in this world we see that a lot. There was somebody that was recently in the news for you know, sort of crying and giving apology, and I was like like you're fine Because you got caught, just so I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we could have that discussion off air.
Speaker 3:Because I don't want to derelluse. You're crying Because I was like give me a fucking yeah you're crying out tears, like it's so funny because I I feel like I am the biggest soft, definitely, on this podcast. But in general I'm like, oh no, let's, let's, let's all try to look kumbaya. But I'm like you're only crying because you got caught. You're that's 100. That's it.
Speaker 2:This is a sports thing. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll go ahead, it's fine. So it's with. The one I'm talking about is a Jen Ellis, oh yes. And I was like give me a fucking break. Right, that was my whole. And usually I am at least like, well, you know, things happen, people make bad decisions, you know. But no, I was like I'm not buying one drop of these tears, get the fuck out of here. But anyway, yeah, go on.
Speaker 3:That's the whole thing. People are stunned when the consequences of the actual things that they put in motion come back to bite them and he go. I just don't, you know, like Rupert, you're the guy that was like just for no other reason than just to corrupt me. You didn't like that. He had a girl, he had something you didn't and he had to. You had to try to break that, destroy that. I'm like, oh, you know the room, like, oh, no, we're here with the girls in the back room and you know, so nauseating the whole thing is. Like it's a gives me the egg, blah, blah, blah, gross. So, yes, you see this moment with Reckon. You're like, no, no, she is like. Even when she was terrible in season one, she had her sort of moment. She apologized, she worked through it and then like who is she now compared to who she?
Speaker 3:was then putting the Hockney back up. You know she's fully, fully passed. Like realize she's freed.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's really beautiful.
Speaker 3:That's a. That's a good moment to end on today. Coach, if you want to find you, where do they find you?
Speaker 1:On Stuck AF there's a podcast. Check it out wherever you get your podcasts and we're having all the conversations with all the people working on season four right now and, yeah, really excited about keeping that thing going. I was just excited that I was able to, you know, battle through the ADHD and get to episode eight. So the fact that we've now got three seasons done and are working on a fourth, I feel pretty, pretty good about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's no joke. If you've never done a podcast, I urge you to try. It's no joke at all it is no joke. You just think, oh, these clowns are sitting in front of a thing and become poof. It's not, it is. It is a process, A lot of people involved and a lot of hard work and a lot of effort and, of course, boss having to put up with me and coach that for hours and hours on end. Boss, where do people find you if they want to find you?
Speaker 2:You can find me doing only this podcast. You know, it's actually beneficial that our audience skews a little more heavily female, because every white guy has done a podcast, so he knows any white dude listening knows for sure.
Speaker 2:No question, right. But you can still find me on Twitter and also Blue Sky. Same handle both places. It's Dumbly underscore chambers and writing. I still have that accounting post up from last week. I need to get something else up, but that's the antagonist which is antagonist blogcom. Maybe I'll fangirl over other states controllers and complain about how some offices still pronounce it comptroller, which is stupid.
Speaker 3:I actually am curious about that.
Speaker 1:I don't know why that happened. I just had that thought. I was like I want to hear this.
Speaker 2:It's incredibly simple. It's that apparently in Latin it is pronounced with an M Sound. I can't even say that's exactly true, if it's just that it looked like an M instead of an N. The position is a controller. There's nothing. A comptroller isn't a thing. It's a mispronunciation.
Speaker 3:It's dumb and I hate it, like colonel I'm sorry, what. Colonel oh oh, colonel.
Speaker 2:Yes, OK, I thought you were mispronouncing our favorite game on this show's name. That threw me for a second. Oh, colin.
Speaker 3:Colin, colin, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:Colin.
Speaker 3:It's Colin, our favorite game. It's just trend. Oh shit, a remarkable character.
Speaker 2:He is a remarkable character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that is a tough one. I'll say it's most similar to left tenet, which is how some of the people on the show might pronounce it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Aluminium oh.
Speaker 2:God the.
Speaker 3:British. Well, thank you everybody for joining us for this exploration of Ted Lasso, season three, episode 12,. So long for well. We will be back with part three next time and then over on the our community site. It's so funny the King of Buttercups was. It was like I don't know how many episodes are going to do for for episode 12, but I'm smashing me over and I literally laugh for an hour about that. I'm just going to smash the over, whatever it is. Check us 11 episodes to get through episode 11. Who knows, we seem like we're on a good pace for episode 12. We'll be back next time. Anyway, in the meantime, please support your local libraries and the written word and go out of your way to be nice to everyone you meet. And until next time, we are Richmond, richmond.
Speaker 1:Till we fuck be.
Speaker 3:Can't talk like that anymore. Uela's Coach.