Ted Lasso | S3 Ep12 Part9 "So Long, Farewell"

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Chapters

• 0:22 Ted Lasso Season 3 Discussion Episode
• 11:14 Ted Lasso's Emotional Goodbye and Return
• 20:52 Ted's Decisiveness and Rebecca's Transformation
• 35:33 Emotional Response to Ted Lasso's Impact
• 42:37 Ted's Future Departure and Reflection
• 49:54 Beard's Relationship With Ted and Unfinished Business
• 1:04:45 Ted Lasso's Relationship Dynamics Examined
• 1:09:37 Ted and Beard's Friendship Nature
• 1:15:21 Ted and Beard's Relationship Evolution
• 1:26:47 Reflections on Death and Spiritual Experiences
• 1:31:02 Expressing Love and Friendship Importance
• 1:37:43 Rebecca's Encounter With the Gazelle
• 1:51:21 New Era and Unification of AFC
• 2:02:00 Roy's Role Change and Ted's Journey
• 2:11:06 Ending of Ted Lasso Reflections
• 2:19:40 Importance of Subscribing and Supporting

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Thanks for joining us as we explore Ted Lasso, season 3, episode 12. So long for Will. And when Alexander looked over the breadth of his empire, he wept, for there were no more worlds for him to conquer. Oh man, that's a misquoting Hans River. Summer in there. But generally, this this is it coach, this is it boss. I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is coach Bishop. What's going on?

Speaker 3: 1:15

family.

Speaker 2: 1:16

And our boss Emily.

Speaker 4: 1:18

I mean it's the end until we sort of go back and cover all the episodes that we did in the colored commentary, literally, and the music episode and whatnot. So it's not like we've run out of things to say.

Speaker 3: 1:31

Oh, I'll never run out of things on this. This is like, truly. I've envisioned myself, years from now, revisiting Ted Lasso, for whatever reason strikes me at that point. So I get, I'm rich on that one.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Yeah, it's a, it's a. Well, this is, this is, this is what, if we, if we extend the preamble, maybe we'll squeeze another full episode out, but no, boss says no, no, so we're going to jump right in from where we left off last time and boss take us through. We had just had like the big celebration and we fade to black, just like a sort of dissolve feature, and then we pop back in and this is, I mean, this is one of the more you know. It's a, it's a trick which is a little bit of a cheat, which is a little bit of a little hacky, but but I don't want to start with negative energy. It's like in another format you'd go oh God, this is such like a half ass way to like fill in blanks, but with this one it kind of worked. You're like Okay, like what? What do we learn from the?

Speaker 4: 2:45

guy. Well, I was going to say this is the greatest TV ending of all time, bar none is six feet under, which does cheat, because it shows you essentially what happens to all the characters. Well, after the TV show, so it like there are definitely ways that it could be hacky. This is, I mean, one of the more effective ones.

Speaker 2: 3:08

At least we're panning over people, people crave closure, though they want even, even in spies like this, spies like us. You want to see what happens to John Larraket's dick character, and you find out he's sent off to that was an unfortunate pause.

Speaker 3: 3:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:26

Yeah, oh, you want to hear what happens to John Larraket.

Speaker 4: 3:29

Yeah, I thought I was like that's a whole other.

Speaker 3: 3:33

I haven't seen it in years. I was like I do not remember that movie.

Speaker 4: 3:37

Yeah, no, what's having him with John Larraket's?

Speaker 2: 3:40

dick. His dick character, his antagonist character, is penalized. But people love at the end of God, especially movies in the 80s and some of the 90s you have like you know. Here's what. Here's how it all shook up. I remember a fish called Wanda had that at the end you know, you have a little thing telling you how everybody, how everyone made out, and people love that. So in lieu of that type of ending, we do here have some insight into where people ended up. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: 4:12

I was just gonna start recapping, so probably should jump in instead.

Speaker 3: 4:16

Oh, I will quickly and then please do. I liked. I liked the callback of this because it had been so much of what we had done, and even the tabloids and the tabloid headlines and blah, blah, blah. And we've. We heard Rebecca talk about the fact that the media would never be hard on a man. Man, that was fun. Yeah, I don't think we're allowed to talk like that at work anymore.

Speaker 3: 4:47

No I was like geez, goodness gracious when you stop yourself in your tracks, but but they are, I mean. I mean they are here and there's some funny ones and we'll go through what I like that you know. They show that it's a. It's a, we are. We are exiting a different world than we entered and Rupert is getting his comeuppance. He's not. He's not going to white dinner jacket his way out of this one.

Speaker 4: 5:17

Yes, yeah, he's not going to be able to charm his way out of this one. So because it was finally visible to the entire world watching the football match, so, luckily, I guess that's all that needs to happen. A powerful, rich man needs to lose his temper in front of the cameras and not be running for president of the United States, and then we'll hold him accountable. That'd be totally fine, theoretically hyperspelling.

Speaker 4: 5:40

Let's just say let's say but the Sun says lost. Congress all welcomes West Ham whistleblower. Best feeding manions. Ex beck inks book deal on placenta recipe.

Speaker 2: 5:55

Placenta recipes, jesus, that's not easy to say yeah, that's a tongue twister.

Speaker 3: 5:59

I gotta say that less conquers all. One feels a little intentionally blue meaning to it. I know we're kind of on a roll here so maybe my brain went there, but that felt. It felt like somebody had a little fun with the construction of that head.

Speaker 4: 6:14

Oh yeah, West Ham whistleblower yeah.

Speaker 3: 6:18

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was like wait a minute, all right, that's, that's Miss.

Speaker 2: 6:22

K. Yes, Miss K.

Speaker 4: 6:23

Right, right Right.

Speaker 2: 6:24

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4: 6:25

As opposed to. There shouldn't be any additional whistleblowers. But who are they? Also, the shove off a manion out after the what do they call it after nutty pitch side push again I had to.

Speaker 3: 6:44

Quite that's there, we got. God bless the.

Speaker 4: 6:46

British media, not for a lot of the shit they pulled, but at least for their headlines, and then also about how Richmond might be for sale with a photograph of Rebecca. But that's of course the everyday independent. That is not nearly as much of a tabloid as the sun.

Speaker 3: 7:05

Right, right Right.

Speaker 2: 7:06

Right, yeah, they do show. We've had a lot of fun with how gross the sun is. We do say Richmond sell well, does sell 40, 49% of stock. So to the fans she's, yeah, she's rich, rich, rich. And then we, we yeah Richmond for all.

Speaker 3: 7:28

We have a. I like to point out, by the way, that we got Rebecca saying she was going to destroy, absolutely destroy, this fan base and she ends up selling half of a $2 billion club to the fan base. She specifically was going to try to get rid of Justice by Rupert. So that's a. That's a. That's a pretty big change over the course of this series. I would say.

Speaker 2: 7:53

Yeah, no for sure. I mean what a? What a huge that. It's a huge moment, a huge difference from what we saw when we first started in on this show Kind of amazing. We also have entrepreneur magazine with Shandy fine on the on the cover. A star fucker is born. I thought that was that title.

Speaker 3: 8:20

That was snicker worthy.

Speaker 2: 8:23

We have football weekly. Zava returns striker heads to Los Angeles football club which was a great mirror mirroring the sedan stuff.

Speaker 3: 8:37

But also that is specifically what Roy held out is like the fate of being put out. The pastor, he specifically said he'd go to America and they'd be like oh, is this what football is? Then, like you know, like, so Zava, zava went for it and I can be worshipped in LA for a few few months before everybody realizes he can't play anymore.

Speaker 2: 8:58

Listen, Lionel Messi went for it.

Speaker 3: 9:01

He's playing in Miami.

Speaker 2: 9:02

Yeah, right, and the go okay, like didn't that guy back, come go to.

Speaker 4: 9:08

LA.

Speaker 3: 9:09

Yes, yes, okay, I can get correct, I will. This is related, but not in a straight line. We'll get back to it, but I think it's fascinating there is a lot more awareness of football. I feel like at this point that I ever have noticed before I give I may have mentioned it in the last episode, I hope I didn't, but if I did, but there was a celebrate, a touchdown celebration, a couple of weeks ago that the guys like pan to mind a penalty kick, like full on, and I was like Wow, wow, like those two sports used to be positioned as in direct opposition to each other.

Speaker 3: 9:55

I remember there being like a Miller High Life commercial where, like some man you know is doing he'll fix the window and he doesn't mind. But if the soccer balls should ever come through his window, that's the, that's the punchline is like he has a mind fixed in the window but you know they're not be out there playing some you know European pinky in the air game like soccer. And now, like the attitude around, it is not that at all. Even if you want to love it, it's not that, it's not. Oh, that stupid sport over there.

Speaker 2: 10:26

Yeah, it's a real man of something. I forget what that ad campaign was. Real men of genius real men of genius, yeah like yeah he can do this. He can play it.

Speaker 2: 10:38

He can do it, but you won't catch him playing with a soccer. We're right, yes, and you're right, it was. There was a division between the world of international football and American football with with. Yes, the lines have shifted since then, thankfully, and in no small part to not just the growth of how Ted Lasso landed and everything but the growth of the, the women's US national team, which put absolute map and, yeah, been pretty great. So we have Ted walking through the airport and it is, it's emotional if you're not ready for it, like he's buying periodicals to depart and if your boss who gives a shit, it's a shoulder shrug. But if your coach, but if your coach, where are you here, coach? Where are you in this space, emotionally with Ted action Like it's not, it's not hypothetical anymore.

Speaker 2: 11:52

The moment is here.

Speaker 3: 11:54

I, it was a bit of Korean, like a different kind of kind, not like Korean comedy, but like damn, it's really going to happen. So, I excuse me, we're feeling the goodbye, or I'm feeling the goodbye in this moment to like, wow, that was a wild adventure and it does have a bit of the vibe, especially as we bump into our buddy, who we first met with the ussy on the plane. It does feel a bit like Dorothy saying goodbye to everybody before clicking those, clicking those heels together. I mean, it's sort of like even you know, it's like everything you did on the way in you got to do on the way out. So yeah, it was tough. I think it coming off the emotion of the game or the match. It wasn't straight sad, I suppose, definitely like it is over, it is over.

Speaker 2: 12:52

Yeah, we have the ussy moment. Are you Ted Lasso? He recognized him, which is a whole other statement. Yeah, I'm one of them. And then he's like, oh, it's a shame he lets us know what the outcome sucks about. Richmond coming in second. Man City are just too good. Yeah, you had it home for a cheeky visit. Had it home for good, actually. Which is like, oh okay, like that's further confirmation, like right.

Speaker 2: 13:19

Okay, can we delay? It's like. It's like it's like when you put off adulthood as long as humanly possible which I'm still doing in many ways and you go, oh man, like, but this is like, I'm actually like, like there's no more gray area now, like I have to be an adult. And he's like I am heading like this for a, you know, with all of its ridiculousness and, and you know it's a little bit of of, you know, alice, going down the rabbit hole. It's, it's.

Speaker 2: 13:56

It had had a personality all of its own and we were lucky enough to be invited to join on the ride. But he is going back to America, which feels so, after this experience and the and the beard, after hours of it all and the year, all the European moments and the different, all the nationalities playing in as part of the melting pot of the team. You know we talk a lot about America being a melting pot historically, but there's a lot of friction around that and it's not this everybody's saying, saying kumbaya, you know, so many times it's, it's, there's, there's a I say friction, but there's, there's strife at the heart of many of these things.

Speaker 3: 14:41

And it's the distance between speak English and Zoro and Danny Rojas speaking their own languages to one another and both understanding each other perfectly.

Speaker 2: 14:53

Yes, absolutely right. And we as Americans will often romanticize Europeans and say like oh, someday we'll be like the Europeans, and in many ways we're right. And then our Europeans of friends will come over and say, oh God, no, people are here just as bad as they are there. Trust me, they're even worse in some ways. So but but as long as I've been alive I know my European friends have always viewed America with a little bit of a smirk and been like you know you're? You're sort of the baby Huey on the street, like you can just go smash anything not a whole lot of thought behind things, well meaning, but but simple in many ways. And so we behave like a teenager in the world.

Speaker 3: 15:32

I mean, if you kind of look at the age of nations, it may, it does kind of make its own sense.

Speaker 2: 15:38

There's that element, right, and so with Ted returning to that, it almost is like, ah man, okay, but nevertheless, here he is, he's headed home in a permanent, permanent way, and the guy says that's stupid. You know the yes he guy. We get a little unlucky thing, just a bit unlucky at the end which is right.

Speaker 3: 16:00

He smiles, though he remembers it. They don't always acknowledge on screen that they're doing that, but I feel like he. I saw him think about the joke.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Yeah, the New York Jets coach, I'm lucky.

Speaker 3: 16:13

Look at that. Look at that. I didn't even know we're going there today, but there you go.

Speaker 2: 16:19

It always applies, it doesn't matter what year.

Speaker 3: 16:21

Unbelievable, unbelievable. I actually started quickly. I will tell you that I do have something about this, but quickly I'll tell you. I started rooting for the Jets the night Aaron Rodgers played a grand total of four plays and his heralded move to New York. And it was specifically because I was like this is not right. These people have been tortured, this and I literally texted a mutual friend of ours who was a JET fan that night and said if you will have me, I would like to join Jets fandom. This is, this is outrageous. I was like this is wrong, this is wrong. So, anyway, you belong with them, coach, I started sort of rooting for them.

Speaker 4: 17:07

I started sort of rooting for them at that point because Aaron Rodgers got injured.

Speaker 3: 17:12

Was hurt. Yeah, I was like oh, great oh look, look, how lovely that is.

Speaker 4: 17:17

Thank you, the Jets for hands laying hands yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:22

Many of many of Julia Juliana's family members are from the New York, new Jersey area and over Thanksgiving we went and had broke bread with them. They hosted a big, big Thanksgiving dinner night and I and I took the opportunity to say, man, it was such a big deal watching Aaron Rodgers run in with the flag, you know, like it was like all lights on him. It was like a whole new era in the Jets, like fandom and the whole and the experience of that, of that franchise. This felt like a huge turning point and all of the people at the table I found out were at the game. They had gone, they had gone to the game. They're in the sand.

Speaker 2: 18:07

They're losing their minds, they're so excited. And I said, no, how did it feel. You know that moment, how did that feel? And they were just like half of them put their heads down, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, it was like really, it was like, you know, you can feel the air come out of the room and I was like, yeah, that's probably. I really appreciate that. I'm so sorry for everybody. That's kind of how it felt when Tom Brady won all those championships for us up in New England and I was like, oh no, no, I didn't feel like that at all. It felt great. And then, like half the table stood up at Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 3: 18:44

Yeah, I guess it's for dessert, asshole yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:48

No, but they really, they really at that moment you can, you can see it and you're like wow, when people have that and listen. This is why believe is dangerous. Among other reasons, lots of reasons why believe it's dangerous. But in this way it's like, oh, they had, they had. It really felt like hook line and sinker, like this is it. We finally have all the pieces together and then they lose their court for those that don't know they they.

Speaker 2: 19:16

They needed anything, but they needed was a. All they needed was a quarterback. They finally got a polyfame level quarterback. He played two plays, and then Torres, Achilles, Tenon and was out for the season and that was it, and all the hopes and dreams of the Jets fans went with him and rejoin it oh sorry. Yeah, no, no. That's why let's bring it back to Ted last time which go right ahead.

Speaker 3: 19:39

I was going to say rejoining Ted, though it also speaks to part of and I'm glad you brought up believe, because part of the believe is understanding that it's just poopy, because this is so mental, you're stupid, they're going to murder. You was as on target as you're stupid to leave now. You have no fucking idea. You had no idea what you were talking about. In either case, everything that comes out of your uninformed fan mouth is poopy and I thought it was great that it was like another miss and it was clearly what the majority of the population would be saying. I would imagine like whatever would be the equivalent of their ESPN talk shows at this point, if we're on set with Tia Henry, they're going to be going.

Speaker 3: 20:35

I just don't understand this. Why would anyone Excuse me? He was at the top of the game, he went through all the way. This is insane, right. And to him he's like my kid needs me and I'm going to fuck home and I get it. So anyway, it struck me that this kid was so off base both times. But no matter what, ted still dancing and I think Ted's ability to believe even when everyone else is like you're a fucking clown who just spit on the reporters really serves him throughout this adventure and through the end of it.

Speaker 2: 21:09

You're right, coach. What would we call that? What would be a word that would embody that premise?

Speaker 4: 21:17

Decisiveness, maybe Would that be I mean he already told us number four guys. Like we can't argue about it anymore.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Yeah, Like what is happening right now.

Speaker 2: 21:31

I'm just saying we always gloss over decisiveness. He is no, we don't always gloss over, we do.

Speaker 3: 21:37

I always say it's important, but I don't believe that it exists that way as its own thing. That's what I've said consistently. I never thought it was number four and I think, yes, at some point.

Speaker 2: 21:50

none of this happens without somebody making the call. That's all I'm saying. None of any of these things happen without somebody making the call and the call is the hardest thing to make because people don't make it. We talk about this all the time. They just wait and wait and wait and wait and they refuse to take agency until they're pushed into a corner. And then they do.

Speaker 2: 22:09

And Ted here is. In many ways there is a corner here for him when Doddy shows up and he's like sort of confronts his feelings about it. But in any case it's something that is unique to Ted and we talk about how he's the initial ripple in the pond for everyone. He starts a lot of the change happening for other characters. To see the Aussie kid, it's almost like we've seen so many bookmarks I say bookmarks, bookends in this episode where we've seen the closure of something as simple as wanker, like one wanker in his tad, wanker out his roofer. You get all these moments and now the Aussie kid suggests he's from the very, very first scene. He is from the opening and now he's more vocal about oh, he thinks he's stupid no matter what Ted does, but at least Ted has the respect of. Well, that's dumb that you're leaving because you're so good at this, you're legitimately quality manager.

Speaker 3: 23:18

Also, man, the city wasn't better than them. The truth is they just like, they just beat city. Like within a month of this conversation, they actually Got on the field and did that thing against city. So even that part is like. You're just talking, you're just saying words, man, like it's like, it's poopy. This guy is a poopy spouter. I.

Speaker 2: 23:48

Guess. Yeah, I mean. But I mean if city ends up in first and and they're top of the table, then on some level that's you know you got it. You're was the parcels. That said it's not what you think you are.

Speaker 3: 24:03

Maybe may have said that, but the one I always think of is when he says you are what your record says. You are.

Speaker 2: 24:08

That's it. That's it. That's the one coach. So, boss, walk us through this. Ted has now left the SC guys in the terminal so After the getting the, I'll see.

Speaker 4: 24:18

he says Wicked Ted says kinky boots, because why would they not call out another musical when they get the chance? Turns and sees Standing by the window Rebecca and says to her now what the heck are you doing here? And she said I just bought a ticket to go through security so I could come and say a proper goodbye. Ah, classic rom-com leave cute tactic which. I.

Speaker 2: 24:47

Son brand very much on brand.

Speaker 4: 24:49

They're hitting all the notes on the way out at least. And then he does point out hold on, you bought yourself a first-class ticket for a flight you ain't ever gonna take. She said it was just a force of habit, which again, it wouldn't matter to her. She just sold half the club. She's fine.

Speaker 3: 25:06

Thank you, she wouldn't have thought about it, except that he said something about it that's fucking rich, she is like that's.

Speaker 4: 25:15

I mean I.

Speaker 3: 25:17

Somebody pointed out. I was fascinated. I can't necessarily tell if it's true for the entire outfit, but they said this is the outfit. It's certainly the blouse she had on when we met her. Right, yes, they did point that out. Yeah, it's that exactly, and I would point out its orange ness and Ted's green backpack.

Speaker 3: 25:39

Oh, there we go I think does take us back to there. So, and I think that the arm I've been working more on it but I think the orange is like the spirit of the Richmond way and what is built there and was created there, and the green is sort of like the going, going home, the outside world, real world Kind of stuff. Very right, we shall see as we continue down that road, but I thought that was interesting that they did have her in the same outfit and in the same position when, when we meet her, she also turns around to us. But it's a very different scene.

Speaker 3: 26:13

This time she was all gloss and like fake and veneer and Presentation then and she couldn't be more like open, honest, transparent now. So we do see a difference, even if she might look the same.

Speaker 2: 26:29

Yeah, she's super authentic everything she says. She means totally total departure from the Rebecca we once knew, and boss keep walking us through this place.

Speaker 4: 26:40

So force and habit oh, yeah, sure, I see you're sticking around, though, huh. And she says well, ted, you're going home to your family and I actually want to stay with mine, which I need everybody at home to know that coach Bishop just put his arms up in the air, so excited that not only is Ted made his players into the people that Will do the play that they need to do, regardless of what he says, but Rebecca has formed a family with the Team that he was hoping to build.

Speaker 3: 27:15

I also thought when we, you know, when we had the, the, the visit and and you know, tell me my future the contrued evil, all that stuff, I thought I Actually did have the thought maybe it's gonna end up playing out that it's the team and it is kind of how it plays out, like it is the dynamic in many places for for obvious reasons. And so for her to acknowledge it that way, especially after PB and J picked up the tab and we had that moment I thought, was I don't know, I thought was really cool. She could have said any number of things there. That would have also been very nice, but for her to refer to all of Richmond organization and greater world of Richmond as Family, I thought was pretty huge and Beautiful.

Speaker 4: 28:12

Yeah, absolutely, I'm fully in the coach castles and role, apparently by saying that. He then says it's a great picture you know, can't wait to read the article and she says it's not bad actually, which means that the press is finally seeing her in the way that she'd always hoped that they would be able to see her. Giving her a fair bit. Who?

Speaker 3: 28:37

She is buying the fucking way. It's not like they're giving her a pass like yeah, anyway, no, stupid ass. Ernie Lowndt's trying to like see if he could get it a break in public.

Speaker 4: 28:48

Yeah, no, and not attacking her for things that other people have done to her, but what she? Has actually managed.

Speaker 3: 28:54

That's right, that's right and.

Speaker 4: 28:56

I. There's a small part of me that can't wait until our next recording for Wayne, because I Don't want to be mean to Castleton but I'm going to be and so we're gonna need to get into a lot of that. But I think that this aspect of Rebecca being treated unfairly by the press Before they finally recognized that she was building something bigger and giving her her credit once it was due what that says about them versus what it says about her, and I think we'll tie that into later conversations got it.

Speaker 4: 29:33

Luckily, they did call her the club matriarch, though, and it has a lot more gravitas than soccer mom, at least.

Speaker 3: 29:41

I. I Was on the fence about that joke. Part of me thought clever, part of me thought too clever, like I got it. I got the joke but it felt like such a thinker that it even for Ted I was like, really just like, whip that one back around that fast. Had never thought about it before. Soccer mom from club Bature. I don't know if it just was like you know, when people say too cute by half, like I wouldn't even say by half, too cute by a quarter, but still it was. I'm starting to feel judged.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Jesus Christ boss.

Speaker 4: 30:32

I just listened Jesus how far off the scale.

Speaker 3: 30:36

Do we have to go before Orlando says enough?

Speaker 4: 30:39

This is it exactly. This is like if I do not feel compelled by the Violin strings, that just makes sense, but if it doesn't get Bishop, they have missed the mark.

Speaker 3: 30:54

There's a there's a moment coming later where you're just gonna celebrate. We touched on it in the rapid response, but I I feel like today I'm in a crack, my knuckles Loosen my neck. Move about a moment, that's coming up oh fantastic.

Speaker 2: 31:11

Okay, so boss keep. Oh wait, it doesn't more than grab a dozen soccer mom. Actually I'm gonna have coach take over here, thankfully, because it's a moment of Emotional emotional honesty.

Speaker 3: 31:25

Yeah. So this was hard, like walking and whatever was kind of like, oh no, it's anything. This I was like, come on, guys, like you know, leave me in one piece, and I really almost like I had to kind of like bite the inside of my cheek, but it was just, it was so honest and it was so Absolutely perfect. And I love moments where the dialogue Just carries this enormous Amount of weight right. I mean, it's why we love lines like you know, I love you, I know, I know, I know, god damn, like that Carrying that is doing a lot of work, man, like that's beautiful.

Speaker 3: 32:10

And to me, when they both said thank you Excuse me with obviously both having searched for what in the world they could possibly say To this other for rethink about what they've gone through together, yeah, that really hit me hard. And then they, because they spoke at the same time, they build. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please you go first, and then another thank you, this time sort of each one Taking their time to say it and I Something that is gonna come up a bit. You know, I've been throwing this word love around a bunch. I think there I've been really giving us a lot of thought actually over like the last six months to a year, and I think that apologies and thank yous and Forgiveness, like I, I the power of them is becoming clearer and clearer to me and just how big they actually are in Life, like to just thank somebody.

Speaker 3: 33:14

And so I just felt like, as we were having our rom-com moment in us to wrap up a series that's been all about the rom-com, and you had the, the shippers just pissed, this thank you is all the consummation you need, man, like two people who really needed each other, who had no idea that they needed anybody, never mind each other. Right, right, right, change each other's lives forever, like you like, even if Ted never tells you about boss. You Could not know this version of Ted if there had been no boss, like she would she. She is going to Kansas too in Some way, and some part of him is staying here because they have impacted each other that profoundly and every time the chips were really down they both Chose each other Like.

Speaker 3: 34:18

I would challenge you to give me a love story where that's any more true in quotes. Love story where Way meets girl and all that right where, like any more than in this show that the two people went ever it was really going down ultimately chose each other. And yeah, I thought the hug there was that there haven't been many. You know music swallows over a kiss. That hit me nearly as hard as that hard.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Yeah, and Ted is doing a stoic thing here, which is that's how you know he's serious, because he's all the Ned Flanders has gone from. Yeah, it's just being very, very stowa. Yep but Rebecca is full of emotion. She's fighting back. I mean Hannah waddingham, I, I just I can't even. I can't even Out of emotional water she carries here. I used to go. Oh my god.

Speaker 3: 35:13

I mean wait a bit Wow like, like, just on a purely technical like, forget we love the show, forget whatever, what this woman is able to communicate With no words, one word, a Thousand words, said at a hundred miles an hour. Like she's got all the tools in her bag, like coach you talk about when you look at athletes and you're like, oh, look at the hips, whatever, and I have my stuff. Yeah, I look at her as an actor and I go holy shit, every fucking tool, every tool, oh yeah, like what, what can't she do? I'd be. I Didn't see anything I would say was even close to oh no, she can't really do that.

Speaker 2: 36:05

Yeah, no, she doesn't miss a beat and she's got every, every single move there is and, for lack of a better term, she is us in this moment, because we cannot thank Ted lasso for being so.

Speaker 2: 36:17

Don't make. We cannot come on, knock it, we cannot, as a viewing community, tell, have a moment where we let the show know how much it meant to so many of us and it's not listen. For some people it was season one, and then the other two seasons were good but not great. For many other people it was. You know, it was an experiential thing and they didn't care as much about the quality rather than Knowing the world existed and that you know, this was a goal that was shown on television.

Speaker 2: 36:49

I suppose of you know so many other things that we see that don't have the these kinds of stakes and these kinds of emotional Resonance and and the various avatars we talked about in the character of the people. And so in this moment we we say goodbye with Rebecca, and it can be. It can be for people who are not emotionally prepared. I'm almost never emotionally prepared for anything. It can be very, it can be very heavy, it can. It can. You know it's very, it's memorable, and so I think they do a stellar job of capturing that on both sides, and you know as a shock to absolutely no one who is, you know, devoted at least a tenth of their life to listening to this podcast.

Speaker 3: 37:40

Um, I Ended the first season I know of our work here saying how much it had meant to me that season, because I was truly a Catastrophe going into that season, like I just like that 2020 was whoo, and I mean for the world, but like, add, like a a very bad year in your own life on top of and so it's true for me then, but it, I guess it remained that way for me in an ongoing way. Like I, when you just said that, coach, I did just choke up because it it, there's so much when I took the mad notes over the total football discovery and when I was like, oh, like this impacted me consistently along the way and I'm actually I'm, I'm Heading into a chapter of my life one way or the other I know this is true where a lot of the confirmation and Affirmation that I got from watching Ted have this impact and make this change is gonna absolutely play into how I, how I, move forward and I'm really excited about.

Speaker 2: 38:56

That's beautiful. Yeah, it's left a profound mark on many of us. It's given us a language with which we can talk to other Ted lasso fans and there's a shorthand there where people that at least admired parts of the show will Appreciate. You know different things than the regular populace. We see them break apart and you know Rebecca's trying to hold it together. Ted is sort of rushing to to the gate just the singles of Rebecca. You know like it's so funny because if your boss and year Just have a tiny raisin-sized heart, that's just full of malice, doesn't resonate with you. But but no, boss, do you have any like any emotional reaction whatsoever to this scene at all?

Speaker 4: 39:57

Um, I have a hard time with it because, on the one hand, I believe that they did try as hard as they possibly could. I believe that they wanted to deliver an ending that all of anyone who had watched the entire series would love. I also believe that the emotions between Jason Sadekis and Hannah Waddingham are completely sincere. On my third weird hand, I feel like this is similar to the highlight reel from the midpoint or from the beginning of the last match, where, if you are not going to write a scene which Elicits in me the emotional response that you want, substituting hey do you remember how great this was? Isn't going to do it for me. It's, unfortunately, very similar to me to Mate saying I wrote 60 pages of an apology. Like I don't need you to write 60 pages, I need you to write something that is as good as the 60 pages, and so it. Like I understood that the emotions are sincere because the actors love each other. It was not effective for me.

Speaker 3: 41:14

That's it. I actually that's interesting and we've had enough of these conversations that I Totally hear you and I'm like, okay, got it. You know, roger, that, but I it's sold for me, like in the story, for the characters, like it wasn't just like oh, swell, this was great, like it. When they both said thank you, I really had like a personal emotional reaction. No, I think that that is.

Speaker 4: 41:41

I think that maybe that's the part where, to be perfectly honest, I don't know if elements of Earlier in this episode and earlier in previous episodes had gotten me primed to the point where I was like, yes, I am emotionally ready for this. Like this was very different for me from it's the hope that kills you, like that I. I was in a place where I was ready to go with that and when we got here I was like I'm, I'm not there with you and even though I understand you are there and I get that, I'm this is not doing it for me.

Speaker 2: 42:19

Okay, you're a lot of fun to be around oh no, I know I. Invited my podcast.

Speaker 4: 42:25

By the way, also, I'm the one that's like please, please, don't ever leave me. Come on, oh.

Speaker 2: 42:33

So, coach, keep walking us through this.

Speaker 3: 42:37

So Ted, you know, heads on to the plane. Also, you know, for anyone who's had to say a tough goodbye, whether it's a plane or a train or whatever I remember putting my girlfriend train once and then like playfully running next to the train Behind that and that having that kind of like at some point we are not gonna be able to see each other anymore, and you know so that. And then Ted gets on the plane, we reveal beard, who's got on some shades and is very different from our first. Our first experience, where they weren't even seated next to each other and coach like somebody, just like, basically was like I got him any tickets, I really don't give a shit where they are, and they are now in first class and that's how they go home, that's how they're planning to go home. And Once again, ted has a question for beard Is this crazy? So like, was it crazy going in? Is a crazy going out?

Speaker 2: 43:39

Another book, and is this nuts?

Speaker 3: 43:42

Us. Yeah, let's leave him like this. I mean, we're all. We almost won the whole friggin thing. You know Saying goodbye to a bunch of nice folks, and I know I've Finally accepted the air conditioning is a privilege and not a right.

Speaker 3: 43:54

That made me laugh. I was like that's a good one, ted, that for me that was a spot-on joke. I Don't know what do you think. And I Thought that at that point I thought they were gonna. I, you know, I thought they were going to go, but I did think it was crazy.

Speaker 3: 44:19

But I thought, for all the reasons he had already said he had to do it anyway. But yeah, there was a For me. I thought when he said, is this nuts? Even more than the first time, I thought, yeah, this is fucking nuts. Like you're, you're in the seat. Like the world is full of coaches from elementary schools up through all the places who would want your job. And you did it like you, like you weren't handed this shit and you're just walking away like, oh, my god, that's so. So, yeah, I thought that was. I thought it was a, an interesting question for him to say. Then the bookend. I also thought that he, whether he knows it or not, he was built to be able to handle this moment. And and for all the songs that they do bring out and bring up and bring out in this series, I thought of Michael Bolton's. How am I supposed to live without you? Like that actually? Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 4: 45:27

Yeah, me too that's. That's exactly what I thought about.

Speaker 3: 45:35

I'm feeling a lot of fun.

Speaker 4: 45:37

Maybe that's not really no, no, that would not be accurate, although I did love that shit out of Michael Bolton when I was a kid who didn't? I thought it was great.

Speaker 3: 45:47

I mean focusing. I mean it's a certain thing, you gotta be in the mood for it, but the focusing, yeah, like I don't, I don't give credit to everybody that focus and then the Lonely Islands song. Yeah, that was really good.

Speaker 2: 46:00

I can't I can't be facing no, no, no, that was pretty great. We'll put. We'll put it on the community.

Speaker 3: 46:05

You should. Yeah, that's quality, um, but yeah, he he's. He's faced unfathomable loss and he told us he, dude, way back in season one, episode one, here I am still dancing, and so there's part of me right here. As much as I'm like, this is no, you know, part of me goes. He'll still be dancing, like I will. We'll see what that dancing looks like, but Ted will still be dancing. Ted is gonna live, he's gonna do the thing, he's gonna move on to what, whatever is next which we get a glimpse of. So I did love that.

Speaker 2: 46:43

I don't want to he is more morose though, in in in his dancing.

Speaker 3: 46:46

This is slow dancing, oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Like you know, I mean it's not, it's pretty profound what he's experienced oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:53

Um, and then, like as a total outside thing, I was thinking Whenever a winning coach leaves a team for any reason, what happens to that coach?

Speaker 3: 47:09

They.

Speaker 2: 47:10

What, what avails? It's like all right, I'll just answer the year. The coach immediately gets offers from other teams. Oh right, and. And he gets every pundit job in the world.

Speaker 3: 47:21

Oh yeah. I was gonna host that you know.

Speaker 2: 47:23

So I'm like hit walking away from Richmond at this point after the miracle that he goes from regulation all up to I Said regular yeah, I was like wait a minute, would you say yeah? No, no, relegation to, to almost winning the whole thing. He would have any job. You know he would be a puddin you know he would have every. Yeah, we're in the world.

Speaker 2: 47:45

Whatever, and he and he's flying away from all of them. They would give him the job like hosting Crystal Palace or, or, you know, one of the other teams. He would get another and then he would get jobs in in the Netherlands and jobs in Sweden and jobs in Germany. Like he would get job offers yeah, no, everywhere on the continent.

Speaker 3: 48:04

He has pulled it off, like, like they'd be, like I don't really get how he did it, but Get him on the phone I also. I mean, at the very least, like he could go around it's funny, a Trent Krim right to the book. Because in Real life, as it's something that I've been working on and I'm working on more now, the speaking thing like I'm like he could just spend the rest of his life Just going around telling the story of the time he went to right, telling the story of the series we just watched, and he would be filthy rich, like every corporation, every you know NBA, and like he just, yeah, there'd be no end to it.

Speaker 2: 48:47

So, yeah, people don't realize people don't realize what happens after you're famous. Right, a lot of people say not everybody, but like I was listening to a Podcast with Dana Carvey and just how much money he's made doing corporate gigs after his SNL, like sure, it's like millions, millions and millions and millions of dollars, you just go, oh my god, like for him to do look how many do a half hour for you know the good folks that. You know Rand McNally Like just printing his own money. I just want I only point this out because On the last plane when we saw him fly in, he was a success, for the witch is to which to state shockers, but kind of a weird fraud and kind of a joke and kind of like, you know, are we nuts? Whatever Are we nuts to be? You know, throwing ourselves into the deep end of a pool we know nothing about, and it was a different kind of nuts. And now it's like, are we nuts to turn our back on Something that we're like truly gifted at? And he is a.

Speaker 3: 49:48

You know this is celebrated.

Speaker 2: 49:50

Yeah, champion, yeah, but he can't, he's.

Speaker 3: 49:54

He's the guy who can't buy a drink. Do you think he ever pays for another drink at maze? No, right, yeah, never again, never again. He like he never don't even reach for your wallet. You know he's no good here. So yeah, no, it's, it's a, it's a stout, okay. That way. Yeah, anyway, I'm gonna take us down the road of a bunch of other coach shit, because that's all my mind right now. But but if you ever have a chance a football life dick for meal, that's all I'm gonna say. I'll bring you Kleenex.

Speaker 2: 50:21

Okay, moving on so that is a great football life. It's so good it's, and he it's, it's brutal.

Speaker 3: 50:30

And also he's as close to Ted Lasso as I've seen in a real life coach, because he cried before. Crying was cool Like he. He was crying in public Back when no Sir, nobody, no sir, like early to mid 80s. He's like setting here like, and he was like, hey, this is what I am podium.

Speaker 3: 50:52

No, yeah, like it's not. Like they caught him in a press. Yeah, like he would be crying. So like it's such, it was such a like. Compare that to Bill Parcells, like, can you even imagine what sequence of events would lead to like. Anyway, I don't want to get too far down there, but a leg amputated, yeah, maybe, maybe that's it Maybe right, maybe he might not even know no shit.

Speaker 3: 51:14

No, some dirt on it, right. So just crazy and but seriously, a football life dig for a meal, You're welcome, all right, I've watched too many sports doctor raise in my life. But moving on, it also seems to me that he, he has unfinished business. Because my thing was I actually I agreed with Rebecca that she could, that he could. Why don't you move your family over here, bro?

Speaker 3: 51:43

If the whole goal is just to put them together, I'm offering to pay you All the fucking money. I don't know if you heard, but I'm a fucking billionaire. I Can pay you more than everybody else and not even miss it. Why don't you bring your family over here and live like a king? But in this, the show, that's actually not okay and I like I had to finally accept that in the show, right, he leveled unfinished business and he needs to go back To the ordinary world, changed to address that business, which is ultimately he wasn't really connecting to those folks because it was horrifying and Anyway, all those things. How am I supposed to live without you? And and then for that to have been kind of on my mind before, this he and that's coming was pretty wild, because now coach.

Speaker 2: 52:35

Yeah, this is there's. Let's point out that, as he's having this moment of question, beard is not saying it. Beard is silent right and he says you know they're condition on privilege. It's a privilege or not a right, I don't know. What do you think? It's just him sort of openly. You know he's in a very trusted place, but there's this built-in assumption that they're doing this together, correct, and? And so it was interesting when, boss, what is the next line out of beer's mouth?

Speaker 4: 53:12

I Don't want to go, ted. I'm in love with Jane. I want to stay. I don't want to let you down, but with your permission, I'd love to run off this plane and into her arms.

Speaker 3: 53:29

Which is totally staggering. Like he's like wait what? And? And he says, well, I mean, what about your luggage? But that, though, is great, because he's really trying to. You know, connecting to Wayne now that we're just cross-pollinating and the shit out everything, but like it was the equivalent of Remembering to grab your bikini. Like this moment is fucking nuts. But okay, like I think there is something about like, when things are that crazy, like you do come down to the practicalities of like, but Wow, it was a little late to tell me that, so I thought that was a good response from Ted, as he's like processing, I Did like that part.

Speaker 4: 54:12

The thing I don't understand is why this wasn't addressed before they got on to the plane like I have a theory on that actually, but I would actually love to hear the theory, because I yeah, I don't, I don't understand it.

Speaker 3: 54:27

Well, I think part of the problem and I may be putting myself Right in the crosshairs here, so I'm gonna start by saying that and I'm gonna bid the. I'm gonna bid the buttercups of fond a dude In case I don't make it. Um, no, but I think Because of the story we were told that you didn't love about their back.

Speaker 4: 54:53

Yes, yes I.

Speaker 3: 54:56

Believe that beard believes that his place is next to Ted. Yes, yes, sir, in part protecting Ted from himself and his Ned Flanders he weighs, and being there to say, hey, by the way, we're dealing with pros. Now we got all the things. He protects Ted, like right, he was gonna kill Ned. I mean Nate, ned, he's gonna kill Nate, right, he I'll head. But you right, like he right. And so he's being a soldier. So no, he wouldn't bring it up, because soldiers don't bring it up. Like no, soldiers, you know, we're going over that hill. It's like, oh, no, yeah, like it over here. Like no, we're going over that hill, that's what we're doing now.

Speaker 3: 55:36

I think he was being the good soldier and this time it was too much. He never had anything. Life was a bunch of like Don't, let, don't deal with it any longer than a steak, and this time he would really be giving something up. Like what's he been giving up the other times? He's given up going to prison, that he was giving up being broke and having no job and possibly be at homeless. That he was good, like. It seems like the way it's presented, like Him following Ted around other than figuring out how to travel as axes. Okay, but this time he would be giving something up for real. I that's the way that. That's sorry, I took it think.

Speaker 4: 56:19

That's why I feel like this scene Detiorates their relationship for me. It does not make me think they love each other. Wow.

Speaker 3: 56:35

Can I say sometimes I feel like we we kind of like you, know we have the differences and we may, we may, lean into them for a little fun. I am Genuinely shot. That's what you just said. No, I'm curious to hear more. I don't know if you were gonna respond, coach, I, that's not what I thought I'd like to hear.

Speaker 4: 56:58

To to one to what you're saying about how beard never had anything that he cared about enough to not leave before, and we don't know why that is. If that genuinely is, it took him until, you know he was 45 or 50 however old beard is supposed to be to find Somebody outside of Ted that he cares about enough that he would need to distance himself from Ted. Maybe, possibly that happens. I've brought it before the possibility that Beard routinely picked Ted over other relationships, that there might have been a different woman person job place. There might have been something prior that Beard prevented himself from investing in, and that means that that thing was never important enough to him.

Speaker 4: 57:43

I also think Friendships should not be you being a soldier. I don't think that friendship should be like that. I think that there are times where I will show up and I will do what I can, and If any single one of my friends or people that I care deeply about found out that I was giving up the love of my life In order to fly back to Kansas with them, they would be fucking pissed at me. They would say what the fuck are you doing? Get your ass off the plane and go be with the person that you love with.

Speaker 2: 58:14

I think that. Have they been to Kansas, your friends?

Speaker 4: 58:18

I'm sure maybe they have. But but no, like, honest to God, I have the because I understand a little bit of the, the martyrdom. I understand the like you do everything for the people that you love. You show up and you do whatever you need to, and I also think that part of that relationship is enforcing for other people boundaries when they might not feel like they are able to. Like you, watch each other.

Speaker 3: 58:43

No, no, I get that, I get that. But I think Sitting in beard seat here for a moment, I Kind of feel like we're picking up the story late from his take on the story. So when you say we take care of each other, I Wouldn't even know, motherfucking Jane, if it wasn't for Ted one, cuz my ass would be a prison for second Right or two, because I certainly wouldn't have come here to do this. So I think he, I might. My take on it when he says I'd like your permission is that he has felt beholden like that. Ted has allowed him to have all this life. I don't think Ted, at least consciously. The way I experienced it was like, well, it doesn't fucking matter what Beard thinks we going back to Kansas, I think he thinks I need to go home. We came here to do this thing. We're a package deal, we're a team, so I got it's. You know it's time to go.

Speaker 3: 59:48

Yeah, I didn't take it as like you know when I tell you you can leave.

Speaker 4: 59:52

I don't think that either. I I Cannot imagine being in a position with my best friend in another country and knowing that they are in love with somebody that lives there and not at least addressing it, even if Ted doesn't realize that beer feels beholden and the line about with your permission, I'd love to run off the plane gave me the straight-up creeps. Now this is not an instance where it's like oh, that wasn't for me, it's a you don't ask your best friends for Permission to do things about your own life, regardless of how much they might have saved you in the past.

Speaker 4: 1:00:30

Like permission is hey, is it okay if I stop buying pick up that thing later? Not like I'm going to make a decision about my own life and I need to ask you if that's okay before I do that. I.

Speaker 2: 1:00:42

Think he meant blessing more than that's fine, go with blessing this.

Speaker 4: 1:00:45

You are writers, right what you mean and mean what you write and don't put permission.

Speaker 2: 1:00:51

I really appreciate that, boss. I mean, here's the thing I know you and you and coach come at this from totally different Places, but the fact of the matter is you are you are very rightly Vocalizing, you know. So something that I'm sure a subset of our audience feels I'm guessing that they're, you know, pirates and international waters, or.

Speaker 3: 1:01:24

That's right damn straight.

Speaker 2: 1:01:26

Yes, no, no, listen you, you're right about that. You shouldn't have to ask your friend friends for permission. My god, that's whatever I didn't. It's funny, didn't it didn't bump for me.

Speaker 3: 1:01:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:37

I thought it was like buddy, just like, like I think he's like almost needed help to be released, like, with your permission, like I need, like I need this so badly For us to not be like I know that they're. You know we say Abbott and Costello. We don't say cuz Costello lot, we say you know captain and Toneel, and and you say you know Laurel Hardy, and what is beard without Ted? But then there's a son in Sharon, then share goes off to have a perfectly good career. So you know, there are these, these cases where where a friend needs a little kick out the door from the friend. And that's what I how I read this as it wasn't as like To me, like oh, please, please, release me from indentured servitude because you've saved me. It was Brother, I need a shove and I know this is the right thing to do, but you're the only one that can give me the show.

Speaker 3: 1:02:30

I, yeah, I, I guess in that vicinity certainly, and I get what you're saying about permission. It didn't let, and I'm trying to figure out why the soldier of it didn't bother me and I'm and I don't want to just default to Gender because I actually don't think it's his, I don't think it's as simple as that, but it did not bother me that. That was part of the dynamic here. It's like where you go, I go and I got your back and we ride and we went to, we went to Richard house state and Then we came here and who's like what they do.

Speaker 2: 1:03:07

Go next. This is what right. This is what we do.

Speaker 3: 1:03:10

And so I took it as that more so than like. But I see what you're saying and I get where no friend shouldn't feel Beholden.

Speaker 4: 1:03:24

I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:03:27

Yeah, I hear you, but it's just, I did not experience that.

Speaker 4: 1:03:30

I didn't experience it that way at all, and part of this is that beard is my favorite character, and so I, like I want to make sure that beard is taken care of as much as anybody else.

Speaker 4: 1:03:41

Also, this is partly because of Brendan Hunt's AMA where he talked about Beards, background and Ted saving them and everything else that went into that. But I think I I Understand relationships where one person has the other person's back, like I have been a soldier in relationships before. It's not that I don't understand that, it's that I then depend on that other person to know me well enough to know when I don't need to Be soldiering and it feels like that's the part, that's that, yeah, that like.

Speaker 4: 1:04:12

I have been in positions where I've said like well, fuck it. I I've literally told people like okay, I will move into your house and we will figure this shit out. And it's been extremely close friends, it's been the best of my friends. But I've said that shit. Like I will come take care of you for six months and we'll fucking figure it out. And what they said was like well, that's fucking crazy. Like let's figure it out without you moving to Four hours away and we'll see what happens. Like there's a part of me that understands why beard would be like I'm just gonna go wherever Ted fucking goes. I have that instinct, I get it. It is then on the other person to not indulge your worst Instincts. In that case, it was up to Ted to say you love Jane. Are we actually leaving? Are we actually doing this?

Speaker 2: 1:04:57

I hate you. Is there a bigger relationship on the show than Ted and beard, or a more foundational relationship? And so I think they have to save it for last, which is why this didn't happen.

Speaker 2: 1:05:09

Right off the plane like they ramp up with that and the tension by putting it like the last moment, beards trying to hang on and do what he thinks is right. But he's definitely conflicted. And this gives Ted the Ability to say like yeah, of course, like I'm so sorry, I've been caught up in all my stuff that I didn't even consider.

Speaker 3: 1:05:30

But I think, but I think he does well, he doesn't say that, but I think he does say that in his Don't say where's your luggage and what about your? No, no, no, but I'm saying his reaction is like but his reaction to what beard says is what the fuck? Like I didn't take it as he was. Like alright, fine, you can go.

Speaker 2: 1:05:53

Like I took it as he was like let's, let's get to it, let's get to it, let's say the words that we can so we can go through it. I don't want to go, ted, I'm low, jane, right, and.

Speaker 3: 1:06:08

Well, I mean what?

Speaker 2: 1:06:09

about you know? Yeah, I really loved off to playing around in their arms. What about your luggage? We have yep and forget my luggage. It's full of rice, which? I laughed at here. I'm like, okay, that's so weird. I've been dreading this, talking to you, abandoning you.

Speaker 3: 1:06:25

That's a big word and it's one Word, boss. It's a point I'm gonna come back to saying it.

Speaker 2: 1:06:31

Nobody forced him to say that, boss, he came up with that word construction. Right. You're, you're, you're at least mindful of the fact that like this feels to him like he's abandoning the team. Yes, no, I have no question about that.

Speaker 4: 1:06:51

I am not saying that beer doesn't feel that way. I'm saying Ted should have picked up on this beforehand.

Speaker 2: 1:06:58

Right. And what does Ted say here?

Speaker 4: 1:07:01

He says oh no, no, no, you, you ain't abandoning me. Okay, you're just following your heart. I get it. Yeah, you should go.

Speaker 3: 1:07:10

So he so immediate. So to me he doesn't read. I think he doesn't. He thinks We've been here. Beards had it. You know, had his fun. Yes, she was, but he's ready to move on. Didn't wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 4: 1:07:24

No, no, no, no. This this is where I need to very, very pointedly argue with you about that. He was not having his fun, he was in love and everybody knew that he was in love because it was a big fucking problem that they were so close. Like we cannot have the scene in the office where all the diamond dogs are worried about Jane and Beards relationship with him if we're also going to assume now that they weren't serious about each other but no, no, and I'm not saying she's just a five-minute state.

Speaker 3: 1:07:55

I'm saying, though, I don't, I don't think I can see how Ted would not assume you know what. I think beer's gonna stay here with Jane for the rest of his days, like, even if it seemed, even if it seemed which it did that they met, their luggage matched up and whatever. I Think it's a pretty big move and I would I don't know that I would assume that when we're done with whatever happens at Richmond, whether it ends in us getting fired or retiring or just walking away or whatever that beer is gonna stay here. I I get why you could think that. I just don't know that. I would think that, um, but would you yeah that.

Speaker 3: 1:08:41

I'm not see. That's what I'm saying. If I didn't think it, then why would I ask I Get what you're saying? You should. You should think about it, because he's your friend and you're observing all this and paying more attention. I'm also now wondering whether I was too quick to say let's not go to gender, and Does this? Is there a gender piece?

Speaker 2: 1:09:02

excuse me, here the show is called Ted Lasso, it's not called beard say now you say more.

Speaker 4: 1:09:11

No, not a gender difference between Ted and beard, but beard and Jane. Well, I think.

Speaker 2: 1:09:17

That was me. I was saying that.

Speaker 2: 1:09:20

No, no, I'm totally.

Speaker 2: 1:09:21

That was a total joke, I'm just saying at this point we are, we are on the ride of the Ted lasso Roller coaster and so Ted has been caught up in that and should he have maybe been much more Aware of what beard is going through?

Speaker 2: 1:09:37

Yeah, yes, I will concede that I think he could have been a better friend, but I think he also was going through a lot and this was a huge decision and one which he didn't take lightly and sort of changed his personality over the last couple episodes where, as he's come to terms with it and at least initially, the Jane thing was a bit of a lark and wasn't thought of by the collective team and friend group as Sustainable and healthy.

Speaker 2: 1:10:10

So I don't think I would think maybe in the back of lots of people's minds, you know, maybe it's like this is one of those things where it's like, hey, listen, we're gonna go, we'll head back to KC, jane will come visit, we'll see if it's real, you know it'll be, you guys will figure it out very clearly. And if beard hasn't said, you know, put his foot down like I can't leave, by this point you would think, okay, it's probably okay, but the but that the directive is to continue the team in its current form over the ancillary Sort of for attachments, that each one of them for example, she shreds Totally, Jane you know, keys in the river, blah blah, shreds the passport.

Speaker 3: 1:10:54

If beard had said I gotta tell you, maybe think I wasn't sorry she did it, or blah, blah, blah, or even cracked some sort of joke around, that I could see Ted being like, hey, what does that mean? But he just says good thing, I have some other passport so I can get the fuck out of here. So to me it's like again. I'm just saying I could see how Ted would do that and I would a bit of the, the the which you're highlighting for me doesn't land on my side, because the second he says I'm ready to be liberated, ted's like hell, yeah, I think you decided a little fuck of late. They already closed the door. But yeah, do you think, babe?

Speaker 3: 1:11:42

I'm wondering why you chose the word liberated and what that means in terms of his oh but I've been saying that, I've been saying that about Ted yes, yes, yes, and everybody, but yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:11:53

But that means that Ted and Beard have been friends for 20 years and, after Ted made sure to get Beard out of prison and give him a job, beard still has not been liberated from his relationship with Ted, that what Ted needed to do in the end was liberate Beard from his oh, that wasn't what I meant by liberated I wish the writers could have possibly understood the shitstorm they were throwing at us as a contest.

Speaker 2: 1:12:19

But wait, wait, don't you? Wait, we're not done here. When they wrote that goddamn scene.

Speaker 3: 1:12:25

Yeah, no, no, it's true, but I pushed back on that because for me he says what I mean by liberated. He says you're just following your heart, I get it, and that's what Ted brings to everybody. That's, ultimately, if, in the highway to heaven, this of the lasso way Ted shows up, you're wrapped up in whatever bullshit you're wrapped up in and he helps unwrap you from that so you can go be your full self. That's what Ted does, and up to now Beard's been on that mission with him. So it seemed like that was Beard's part of being beard. And sometimes he shows up in sparkly pants in the morning. But I don't think Ted experiences this as like Beard's on lock. I think Beard has viewed it as it is my job to take care of him.

Speaker 3: 1:13:26

Now what I will say is I think and I actually captured this in the notes because I knew I would forget it seems to me that Ted has gone through life finding people, however unconsciously or however he knows it, finding people who will look out for him, and each season is defined by a challenge in goodbye.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

So you've got Michelle and you've got Dr Sharon and you've got boss, who, by the way, are the three people who contact him when Nate stabs him in the back. So his protectors, wherever they are in, whatever phase of the relationship they're in where Nate pulls that shit, all the protectors come running. And I think that part of why the joke that Keely tells about, like Jane following her to ask if Ted was sleeping with Beard I think that the dynamic we're getting to here and like exploring here, is that like they are bonded. But I don't think Ted sees it as I think Ted thinks that life is just like that night where we had Beard after hours, that you know we do what we do and beard can go live his life and have his crazy night if that's what he wants to do. And you know we're watching film in the morning and make sure you're on time and make sure you bring the coffee.

Speaker 4: 1:14:55

I do understand where you're coming from and I also understand that the aim of this scene was to get to that point. I think my issue with it is that what you said was beard and Ted are bonded and what that bond means is that Ted does not pick up on when things have seismically changed for Beard, but it and I'm not saying that all relations like. There are some relationships where by nature of me not having children and be getting to do whatever the fuck I want to most of the time, like I go to my friends places because they have kids and they have to do.

Speaker 4: 1:15:33

I think that that part is fine. The issue that I'm having with it is only if, like, when I go to my friend's house, every time that we hang out, she says thank you so much for coming here Like you always come here and thanks so much for accommodating that. Like, I need there to be some acknowledgement that beard has been soldering for 20 solid years and Ted at some point needs to be like hey, is there something you want to be doing with yourself? Like, if we are a team, are you as fulfilled in our team ship as I am? And I don't know if that conversations I've been had yeah, no, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:06

Probably coach brings up. Coach brings up difficult goodbyes how they every, every season has difficult goodbyes. You may not be like aware of that as much as a concept. As difficult those which may be like every time we log on to the podcast to get ready to go we're like fuck boss Hi.

Speaker 4: 1:16:29

Yeah, no, I know, I'm doing this?

Speaker 2: 1:16:31

Oh no, I hear it.

Speaker 4: 1:16:32

It's what I live on, that I thrive on that.

Speaker 2: 1:16:36

I know you do, I know you do the I would, I would say I would advocate politely that him, the second it becomes, he becomes aware of it. I'm not saying he hasn't been remiss in really tuning into Beards, I'm giving you that. I agree he should have been much more aware of it and there should have been a conversation. And if this were a super healthy relationship, that's the way it would have gone and it is. I think it is. I think it's the healthiest. But I think I don't. I don't ascribe the nefarious things you do to it like that he's an indentured servant or that he owes Ted, no matter what. I don't think any. I think it's just this you haven't walked around with a penis very long.

Speaker 2: 1:17:26

And so what happens is your. Your brain power drops by about 94 percent and you we've talked about this on the show so many times when you know you'll be, you know I'll go see a friend and Juliana be like, oh, you know his dad has cancer. Do you check in with you? Know, I see how his dad was totally like whoops and that that happens. That just is a factor of it. So I read that into this like oversight. Because the second he was like I've been dreading this, talking to you, banning you.

Speaker 2: 1:17:58

There's dynamics inside friendships that are that are bizarre. Sometimes I've been in situations with friends where they'll say, oh, I thought you'd be really mad about this and I would be the opposite. I'm like, no, I'm over them, are you crazy? Because maybe they would have been mad at it and they didn't know how to broach you with me, or something like that. So the second he says he's like you ain't abandoned me, coach. He's like you're just following your heart. I get it, you should go. Like he is fully on board. It's not 86. Man, I'll miss you. Are you sure you want to do nothing? He's like you should go. So yeah, and I want.

Speaker 2: 1:18:32

Coach talked about what song was in his mind about Michael Bolton. I am not a huge deadhead, but there's a song called Ripple by the Grateful Dead and Ripple in Still Water, when there's no public toss, no wind of love. There's a line in the song. It always freaks me out as a person because I like groups and I think tangentially, I'm afraid of death in a really weird way and it's the loneliness of it that scares me. And so there's a line in the song it's a little stanza there is no road, no simple. There is a road, no simple highway between the dawn and the dark of night. And if you go, no one may follow. That path is for your steps alone. And it freaks me out.

Speaker 2: 1:19:19

It's funny because I have a daughter who plays video games and she likes playing video games where she can have like followers with her, like doing the missions with her, because she just feels better about it. So maybe it's in the genes, but I know when I go on a trip and I know a coach is waiting for me at the other end of the airplane, it's very easy for me to go on that trip. I'm just like, yeah, I know, I have this like safety and somebody completely understands me and this would be in Ted Heff. They just have this great thing.

Speaker 2: 1:19:51

And so now it's going to be like, okay, Ted is going to walk this road, but he has to walk this alone and beard is going to walk his road alone. Now he's got to go, he's he's reprioritizing his life. You know, in in like sort of a hot moment here on the plane and you go, wow, these are like, these are huge structural changes and, yes, we're human beings so they tend to be messy, and this is this is not handled in the ideal way. But the second that it becomes apparent to Ted he is fully on board and fully supportive of his right and so, and yeah, the show makes the promise you'll never walk alone.

Speaker 3: 1:20:28

Yeah, key moment. Thank you, I love it. That was the way you. I love it. That's the way you frame that and phrased it. I guess, as I was, because, as he was saying, I was like wow, that's, you know, you'll never walk alone. But I guess what it doesn't, what the song doesn't promise, is you and I will walk together.

Speaker 4: 1:20:50

Also yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:20:52

Right. So neither of them is going to be walking alone. Even if one stays and one goes, they just will not be walking together anymore, and that's been the defining element since they were, you know, just reuniting behind, being the backup kicker in the backup hunter.

Speaker 4: 1:21:14

And that is big, I also think. For me that song is I Will Follow you Into the Dark by Deathgap for Cutie, which is sort of the opposite of what you were talking about Like when there's nothing. I'll follow you into the dark. It's great.

Speaker 2: 1:21:32

But that's still. You still have the comfort of the.

Speaker 1: 1:21:34

I'll actually really like, I really like that song. Oh, I love that song.

Speaker 2: 1:21:38

But also that's yeah, that's like a. That's actually a line that jumped out at me, the lyric. When I heard that I was like, oh, that is fucking great and I thought that's really comfortable.

Speaker 4: 1:21:47

But the aloneness in the dark is the problem. Yes, the widths on the outside.

Speaker 2: 1:21:51

Especially if you think about like you think about your five and you're thinking about your.

Speaker 2: 1:21:56

We've now met Buttercup Ellen, your sister who is my God, just pure, adore her, and we've heard about your siblings, but when, when the Grim Reaper comes knocking, you have to leave all of them behind and do it? As far as I know, I don't, I have no insights into that, but at least the conceptually, that is a road you will walk alone. And that, as for me, who's always building community? Maybe it's, it's just me trying to hold off the hold the door, but I go, man, it is. That's a heavy duty thing, and so, yes, it is not, as maybe I'm oversimplifying it in this.

Speaker 2: 1:22:33

That's not really a breakup here, but in this schism of the standard coaching tree sort of premise, where it's like Ted and Beard will show up as coaches, ted and Beard will show up and you're whatever, ted and Beard. And now it'll be like, oh no, ted will show up and Beard will show up, and it'll be two different things and it's just a. For me it's reminiscent of that journey where it's like, wow, we have always been us and this is the. You know God. I've been railing about the proverbial us for what? How many years now. But this is the good us, this is the us that that is wonderful and and generative, and now it's going to be something else, and that in and of itself is is talking Sorry again.

Speaker 4: 1:23:15

Well, maybe you should go first, because I've got Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:23:19

Well, I wonder, I wonder if part of this also connects to the that they are coaches and that they are like part of what defined coaching is. Even when people tell stories or, you know, create stories about coaches, like always, like you know, such and such a coach is in trouble. Somebody put a for sale sign on his lawn right or it's. You know, there's this idea that part of the life of a coach is you're here and then at some point you would be. You won't be here, like I don't know where George Cartrick is now, but you know you might, he might end up having to move, and so I think that also played in. I am, but I do find myself as much as I had the experience I had.

Speaker 3: 1:24:07

I am finding myself right now sort of trying to like explore, because it's part of me. When you said that the friend should know, that Ted essentially should know and be like, hey, are you okay with this? This part of me that's like Ted could do that, but that's beard job. And then I feel like you and I have kind of done a weird switcheroo episode of the Ted cast because I feel like more often I would be the one who's like you got to look out for everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and you would be like that's your business and you should figure out how to handle it. So it's interesting that somehow this is like put us in different seats than we usually sit in.

Speaker 4: 1:24:53

No, I definitely.

Speaker 3: 1:24:55

Did that make sense Okay?

Speaker 4: 1:24:56

Absolutely.

Speaker 4: 1:24:58

I think that that idea actually ties in to one of the things that I wanted to respond to what Castleton said, which is that yes, oh, please don't I know what should have happened here is that beard should have talked to Ted a week ago about how I can't leave Jane, I'm going to marry this woman, like I'm sorry, I need to stay and we need to have a discussion about that.

Speaker 4: 1:25:19

That's what beard should have done, Gloring that Ted should have asked, and Castleton, one of the things you jokingly said like well, if you have a penis, then your ability to do these things drops by 94%. I understand that men are not socially conditioned in order to do that, and I am now, as opposed to asking the way that I have been for 40 years fucking demanding that if men get to be in charge of everything, you're going to have to do better. If you now have this TV show and you now have the insight into these things, you have to do better. You cannot still be in charge and be like, oh well, I don't know, my dog makes it, so I can't take care of kids. So like sorry, Like part of what I need this show to be revolutionary about is that if you didn't know it before, you need to learn that. You need to learn it. Like that is what I need to come out of this show.

Speaker 3: 1:26:15

Coach, I'm going to need you to step up, because right now I can hear his mom yelling at us.

Speaker 2: 1:26:22

No, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, I totally bought boss.

Speaker 2: 1:26:29

Well, absolutely well said. You're 100% right and it's what I love about you and this is this is right in every possible way. Man need to be better. Um, and so, yes, thanks for holding, holding our feet to the, to the coals, and it's appropriate, um, and I don't disagree. I just think in the structure of the show, yes, way needed to, really needed to put this at the last thing, and you know, it's just, it's like a I understand that.

Speaker 4: 1:26:54

I wish it would have been handle slightly. I understand it, I got you. The only other thing I'll say is that when Stephen Colbert asked Keanu Reeves what happens to us after we die, keanu Reeves' response was I think that the people who loved us will miss us, and so, for all of the afterlife talk, I feel like that has been the only. I can't think about the rest of it, if we want to wander out into the road by ourselves or not, but when you die, the people who love you will miss you.

Speaker 3: 1:27:24

That leads me to two things around death, because what you guys haven't been sitting around thinking about death, okay so no, but two things that strike me the people missing us. The simplicity of that is there's so much around. You'll be missed if you live a life that earned your being missed. And recently a world figure named Henry A little.

Speaker 4: 1:27:58

Warren Cremeville, whose name starts with H and ends with Henry Kissinger Is that who we're talking about?

Speaker 3: 1:28:06

And I was very proud of myself, because people post this stuff and you had your usual oh, speaking ill of the dead, whatever. And I posted this and I felt great about it and I felt like I've now got like my exact language I want to use for this forever. I said may you rest however you deserve. Yeah, yeah, it's between you and the motherfucking universe now. I might want you to suffer. Maybe the universe doesn't think you should suffer. I may want you to do great and the universe is like, fuck that, there's some fiery pits waiting on your ass. We've been stoking this fire. Either way, it's on you. You chose to live how you lived and this is how you'll be remembered, and that's that, thank you guys, no, no, no, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:28:58

No, no, no.

Speaker 3: 1:28:58

But the other thing is about is not nearly, I guess, is mean or whatever that was. I have. The afterlife question has really been front of mind because in the last calendar year, two totally unrelated people in my life other than they both know me, like they don't even know each other through me, like they are like there's no connection have reached out to me and rather sheepishly gone into explaining that they had a spiritual experience during which they felt that they were, let's call it, communicated with by my mother. Oh shit, asking them to tell me slash, hey, are you all right? Like I'm worried about like no shit.

Speaker 3: 1:29:54

Like two different people who I've never had that kind of conversation with before and people I've talked to about spiritual things. But in both cases the person was like okay, so I'm going to say a thing, and I was like just because I can't explain it doesn't mean it, is it true? Also, when the second person did it, I was like just so you can feel a little bit better, you're not the first, so whatever goes on after this place, I think it's pretty interesting that two people who did not know my mother at all had the experience of thinking that my mother made contact with them to reach out to me. Yeah, it's fucking wild, it's powerful.

Speaker 2: 1:30:38

It's kind of crazy. Hell I talked to your mama all the time. I didn't know. You wanted to hear about it, coach.

Speaker 3: 1:30:47

I tried to tell him you think he's going listen to you. You ain't even here, no more. He don't listen to me. I'm right, the fuck here.

Speaker 2: 1:30:57

All right. So, wow, that was powerful. We get Ted saying you're going to fall in your heart, you should go. I look, man, I don't think they're going to lay off this plane. This is the Boy Scout element of Ted how he sees the world. And then, of course, you got the boss element of Beard, who's like no brother. I got the yeah, yeah, total, total zoo. I have a plan. What do you need to do? Whatever's about to happen, that's a great start. I love you, ted. I love you, too, willis.

Speaker 3: 1:31:26

Okay, come on. That's yeah, Come on, give me, come on. You had to feel that one. You didn't feel that one.

Speaker 4: 1:31:35

Come on, boss, I'm trying, I'm real.

Speaker 3: 1:31:38

I'm trying.

Speaker 1: 1:31:39

I'm really trying I do believe that they love each other.

Speaker 4: 1:31:42

Both the actors, the characters, the relationship. I believe that they love each other. It sort of broke it for me that they revealed his name and that his name was Willis. I was like just if they had gone. I love you, ted. I love you coach. It might have hit a little bit better.

Speaker 3: 1:31:58

I understand what they're going for. It didn't hit it right for me. His name is really Willis. I'm not being funny.

Speaker 4: 1:32:04

No, that's, that was so real. His name is Willis. His name is Willis.

Speaker 2: 1:32:08

Like what you talking about, willis, oh.

Speaker 3: 1:32:10

I thought it was a an 80s reference. Like the entire series has been chock full of those. How did I miss it? That's his actual name.

Speaker 2: 1:32:19

His name is Willis, willis Beard Beard.

Speaker 4: 1:32:23

And apparently somebody said something about Will is Beard.

Speaker 2: 1:32:27

Will is Beard Will the kit man is Beard.

Speaker 4: 1:32:31

When they did the Switch Rows.

Speaker 1: 1:32:34

I don't know if that was a real thing, but that's too, that's too that might be a touch, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:32:38

Well, I sorry, I thought this was totally just a different stroke, shout out, I did not process that, so I apologize. And for all of my memorization of the entire series, somehow that just went right on by me.

Speaker 2: 1:32:52

I mean, this is, this, is. This is a moment, though he throws Beard, throws the water on his face, whatever's about to happen, that's a good start, like holy shit Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:33:00

I like too that he's like. He's curious, not judgmental, he's like go on.

Speaker 2: 1:33:04

As always, yes, and he says I love you, ted. Listen, I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but this is not the male avatar that is widely accepted. You don't say I love you to your male friends. That's historically, that's been. That's been something that wasn't on the table as often, and I'm so happy that that. Our society has has shifted.

Speaker 3: 1:33:32

I'm glad you said that, because I have made a conscious decision that I'm willing to make it weird, like I realize there are people in my life that that's not their deal, men and women, frankly, who like they are not, that's just not. They would never initiate the I love yous and my reaction is like that's fine, you don't even have to say I love you back.

Speaker 2: 1:33:51

But the pandemic shifted it for us. And I think you're right, at least in our peer group all the guys that were those sort of intractable whatever once the pandemic happened and people just dropping. Yeah, I think you're right about that, Like out of the blue people were like you know what I am going to say, like now it's pretty common, it's almost gone too far. The other, where people be like all right, man, I love you, I'm like what. This is like a Wednesday Fuck you Like go, leave me alone.

Speaker 4: 1:34:16

I don't have Tuesday only to be.

Speaker 3: 1:34:20

Folks, because this is because this is not a visual medium, I will tell you that I uh castleton almost destroyed a fair amount of computer equipment. Oh my. God, I've got like water in my nose. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 1:34:32

But you know it is common. Now it's like much more common, but, um great, I understand you love me, can I have my sandwich?

Speaker 3: 1:34:38

I really do need to, yeah seriously, thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 1:34:43

My weekly barista, so my appendix, we do the whole thing. It's very beard ass.

Speaker 3: 1:34:51

But wait, I love, I love. He says the other side, coach, like he's like, all right, this is what we're doing. We're doing burst appendix. Maybe not how I would have gone about it I might have asked if I could get off, whatever but we're doing burst appendix. And the other side, though, like I'm going to help you out, I'm still coaching, I'm still, we're still a team.

Speaker 2: 1:35:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah so ridiculous. Um uh. They pull him out. He does a big, overstated wink, uh passes oxygen mask. The flight attendant comes and says would you like to go to the hospital with your friend, to which boss you're the appropriate person to answer this? He says what?

Speaker 4: 1:35:30

No thanks, I'm okay though. I'm good.

Speaker 2: 1:35:34

Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 3: 1:35:36

So I I the flight attendant, you know walking away saying what a fucking arsehole. I again, again, we don't know shit. We come upon people in one fucking nanosecond of their life and we make all sorts of decisions about who they are and how they are. She's going to go on now and tell her story about the time this gaffer is. You know, these sports guys are all a bunch of assholes, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile he just told his guy he loved them and helped him get off this plane so he could run to the woman he loves. But she will remember this as him being a fucking asshole, like that's how she will remember this moment. And it just there's a lot of curious, not judgmental notes, uh, getting hit here. For me because this is just to me, that's more of the pooping For whatever reason, he doesn't want to get off the plane and go follow that guy. You've decided that's the only way to be a friend, so now he's an asshole.

Speaker 2: 1:36:32

Okay, yeah, but it's also. It harkens back to like you don't know the Roy Kent story about, you don't know what's happening to people.

Speaker 3: 1:36:41

That's right. That's exactly right. I give him love Like she gives him the opposite of love. He is now. He's judged. We're done. He's an asshole.

Speaker 2: 1:36:50

Yeah, but that's how it is. He's back out in the real world now. He flies away, has a moment of he does a Ted Lasso look where he realizes he's alone and he's gone. And now we're in the airport. We're with Rebecca walking away trying to compose herself.

Speaker 3: 1:37:09

Before we walk away. I do want to because, like I said, he does seek out those who could protect him, but he doesn't need it anymore and I think that's also important. So, as much as hey, you can click, you could have clicked your fucking heels an hour and a half ago. Yeah, Sorry about the flying monkeys. I mean, he now is capable of going into the world and dealing because he's dealt with what was making him a scared kid who was like shattering. He's done the work for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:37:40

Yeah, definitely done the work. So now Rebecca exits the terminal. She's still breathing, trying to get her breath under control. There's people milling all around her, a very busy scene. Get ready, boss. Here comes a beautiful little girl running down the sidewalk towards her and Rebecca. Rebecca sees it fall. Wait, I have to mute my mic.

Speaker 3: 1:38:07

Sorry, I didn't mute it soon enough.

Speaker 2: 1:38:09

Sorry about that and Rebecca rushes to this young lady to help her up. And then she hears the pilot, who's the father of the child, speaking Dutch. And oh, oh, oh, Heaven's to Betsy, it is the gazelle man. And they this is what happens, Serendipity. This is when you're, you know, sort of in the right path and you're open to love. It's you, we is dad's papa. He doesn't know who had to say who. This is Rebecca.

Speaker 2: 1:38:48

She gives her her name for the first time and first time Mr Gazelle has heard her name. He is he. We should have guessed that he would be a pilot and we saw all the all the aeronautical decorations in his houseboat. But he says Rebecca. And then she immediately goes right down to the daughter and shakes her hand. She's lovely and wonderful and we know every little thing is going to be all right and I don't think we need, I don't think we need to coach, meet your mic please. We don't need to hear from coach or boss, because we're so sympatic on this podcast. Three little birds step by my doorstep singing sweet songs. We have three little birds of our own in this scene. They're going to sing sweet songs together and everything little thing is going to be all right, and we will now move on to the next scene, which is not so fast, my friend.

Speaker 3: 1:39:51

You guys who've listened and I don't mean that in a gendered way, I just mean folks who've listened know that I've been willing to go pretty far out there to battle these two on all sorts of points. I mean, I sat here and defended the Christmas episode, so I will. I will not be questioned as to my love of all things, ted Lasso. But when that little girl, who I then? Because I thought first it was Rebecca's imagination, seeing herself as a little girl in this moment, having just had this moment with Ted, when it turned out that was who it ended up being the daughter of gazelle, and I thought too much, it's it's, it's officially too much. I was the kid who had one more donut. There's a, there's a, there's a family story about my son. I forget how he ended up with this giant chocolate bar, but by God he was going to eat that motherfucker, and I think we can all figure out that that ended with us cleaning up chocolate, being returned to sender, and for me that that was a bit of this moment for me.

Speaker 2: 1:41:16

I was just that is the same. It's the same actor, for what it's right? Oh no, I know. Yeah, Rebecca, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:41:22

Yeah, I mean so that, but again, that made it worse. I was like you made a lot of choices here. You made a lot of choices here. Why, yeah, why, would it be the same girl? What's beautiful? No, and then really like, this isn't even of all the juke joints in all the world. This is truly like if this little girl could run from A to B without tripping and falling, then this, just I, just it wasn't. It was it for me, it was it for me and here children slandered.

Speaker 2: 1:41:58

I mean, I'm just saying, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:41:59

Rebecca's around athletes all the time. I would think, if anything, she'd be profoundly unimpressed with somebody who can't run from here to there without face planting.

Speaker 2: 1:42:07

I don't know if she's going to recruit her for the team. Certainly not, and it's going to be turned into a boss ass bitch.

Speaker 3: 1:42:12

Maybe, maybe, but no, I really I just thought I didn't need it and I thought she's a billionaire Like I would have rather seen. Honestly, what about a flip on your usual scene and she shows up in the big, grand, gestery way at the dude's boat or something? I just thought like I don't know. I just thought this was like all right, we're wrapping it up, like this really felt like it was closing time at the bar and I'm not sure that they would have made out with this choice at 10 PM but it's 2 AM, come on in.

Speaker 2: 1:42:48

I think we missed a huge opportunity on this podcast to have you be the villain. It would have been so much more fun to make fun of you than to make fun of boss, because it's like she is. You at least will get angry. She just, she's just absorbs it. And it's like Ursula the sea witch just grows with all the rage. But yeah, boss, boss, I think loved this scene. I think, oh no, you're not sure that's hilarious.

Speaker 3: 1:43:19

No, it was, it was. Come on, coach. All right, jokes aside, you know. Balancing out the conversation aside, you did not like this choice, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:43:29

I did. I love that was great. Yeah, I don't know. I like magic.

Speaker 3: 1:43:32

I want to hear this. I love true love.

Speaker 2: 1:43:34

No, no, I'm all for it. I. They were destined starcross lovers and I love kids and and boy if they bond over meeting the little kid and it was meant to be, was meant to me, baby and that's what happens. Sometimes these things happen, coach, like you just bump into someone and you know it's right and they could have never been planned any other possible way. And you are, you're content in the universe to let everything go, but the universe pushes you back and you say, ok, that's happened to two people all over the. You know in many, many ways and many. You know whether it's relationship based or not. But is it hamfisted? I could see a case for that. I could see a case that it's like oh quickly, we better type the subplot and here's the most economical way to do it. But it wasn't like there wasn't aeronautical things on his decorations. They had this in the works for a while. They're not. It worked for people. That's, you know. That's that's up for discussion.

Speaker 3: 1:44:28

But I have no problem with the magic of a of of you know, sort of serendipitous, so I just want to call a quick time out and apologize to boss, because I now understand what it's like to sit there and listen to me talk about this and I didn't know, I didn't know.

Speaker 2: 1:44:53

You know, sometimes in this life, you don't know, you don't.

Speaker 3: 1:44:55

This is, this is. This is a definition of privilege. I didn't know, I was just sitting here talking about sunshine and rainbow shit and thinking it was fine.

Speaker 4: 1:45:03

It's not fine, it's not OK you know, because that scene is a mess. The only thing I'll say is that I will never be on the flip side of this. Don't anybody worry ever that I'm going to get sunshiney and rainbows. That's not going to happen. All of the plot switches that we're going to have, that's not going to be one of them Copy that.

Speaker 2: 1:45:30

All right, we're going to blast Merrily along through this. Ted shakes a snow globe of Richmond Green and we bump up the snow globe as a gift, by the way.

Speaker 3: 1:45:40

Just yeah it's a little touch.

Speaker 2: 1:45:42

Yeah, we get. We get a thing where a Trent is in his office and he gets notes from Beard. It's like like how many post it notes?

Speaker 3: 1:45:54

I thought that was hysterical, overly prosaic, just like rang in my head.

Speaker 2: 1:45:59

It's just just a few thoughts of Beard, and it is hundreds littered with. Yeah, yeah, all different colors. And of course he picks up the, the galley that he gave to Ted. And and what does it say, coach?

Speaker 3: 1:46:18

Great job, trent, I loved it.

Speaker 2: 1:46:21

Yeah, that's it. That's the Ted Ted version.

Speaker 3: 1:46:24

And then one small suggestion I changed the title. It's not about me. It never was. I as we. It's interesting because there are a couple of things here at the end that I'm like what's going on, guys? What's going on? Did we? Did we fire the writers? Like in the last 15 minutes of work, like what's happening To me? This is pre-doddy talk. This is, oh, don't mind me, no, it is about you, dude. None of these fucking people be acting like this if you hadn't showed up, right?

Speaker 2: 1:47:02

You had to make certain decisions and out of those decisions, how did he get to decide, to decide to make a boss. He made the goddamn choices. Nobody but him chose.

Speaker 3: 1:47:11

Wait, boss, am I wrong that he yelled about this?

Speaker 2: 1:47:13

No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's not listen, it doesn't matter, let's not get married.

Speaker 4: 1:47:18

Let's move on. What I want to say is that I was able to count at least 32 distinct post-it notes that Beard left for Trent in case anybody's interested.

Speaker 3: 1:47:29

I love that you counted them. That's awesome, but I did, that's amazing. I think. Look, I thought that was a mistake and I get that Ted will continue to be his selfless self. But I also think sometimes and talk about places we are in life. So maybe this really resonates. If you're going to lead and this is me talking to myself a bit here, I'll be honest if you're going to lead, if you're going to be the leader, then at some point you may have to be the fucking leader. You may have to stand out front. Your face may have to be on some shit. You may have to be the one to talk into a camera or into a microphone. You're the one who's got to put their name on it. You got to let people follow. People want to follow somebody and you can't just be like, hey, let's just all follow the idea. No, they're following a fucking person.

Speaker 2: 1:48:24

And Ted showed up and changed a mediocre franchise into a $2 billion beloved sensation, but you have to admit, from his point of view it never really was.

Speaker 3: 1:48:39

No, no, nothing's about him, it's not about him, he didn't do it for his own glory. But it is inaccurate. And we'll get to what they choose, but it is inaccurate to call it anything else. This is distinctly. Look, the Wichita State Shockers enjoyed that dance for the same reason that Rebecca was crying and for the same reason that the guys at Richmond enjoyed the same dance all those years later. Because Ted, because he's the kind of guy who gives a bunch of professional athletes books they need to read, like he's taken a page out of the Zen Master Phil Jackson's book or whatever, like it's all very specific to Ted and I think it's a mistake to say, oh no, everybody does this. Everybody doesn't fucking do this. That's why it was so unexpected that it worked. If everybody did this, george Cartrick would be doing it.

Speaker 2: 1:49:41

You're not, you know you're not wrong, coach. I mean I get, I get what you're saying and right, I don't think anybody, everybody could do it. But I think all Ted was getting there Getting at was like, hey, it's not about, it was never about me, he doesn't. He constantly devalues what his input is. He's just not his character and it's very Midwestern. Yeah, as funny as watching the opening of season 5 of Fargo and they open up with a definition of Minnesota nice, mm-hmm, oh no, I, which is I.

Speaker 3: 1:50:13

Get that piece, but to me this is as much to me, that being his note, maybe not quite as much, I don't want to overstate it, but it is in the vein of Roy and Jamie getting in a fight. It's like you made it all the way to here getting it and now you have now done something that's taking us back to when you didn't get it.

Speaker 2: 1:50:36

Got it. Okay, we zip over to KJPR. It's. It is fully in swing. We got everybody back all hands on deck. It looks like they're having the time of their lives and they're all in it together. Notice, keely is in the bullpen with everybody else. She's not hidden away behind that's right.

Speaker 3: 1:50:56

I like that room.

Speaker 2: 1:50:59

And now we cut to Rebecca, who is announcing please welcome the new manager of FC Richmond. And who is it? It's fucking.

Speaker 4: 1:51:09

Roy Kent.

Speaker 2: 1:51:10

He's Fucking where, he's everywhere. He's here, he's there. Holy mackerel it. That's very exciting for those of us.

Speaker 3: 1:51:21

That lover, I can't by the way, I thought it was significant that he was wearing a version of their like a new uniform. It's a new day. I could totally see them Teams update that shit anyway. I mean, this just doesn't matter of marketing or whatever, but I thought like it's a new era, it's the Roy Kent era and they absolutely would have new uniforms. I thought that was a cool touch.

Speaker 2: 1:51:45

It wasn't quite Chelsea blue, but it was interesting.

Speaker 3: 1:51:50

It's sort of yeah, I make, but that's you're not wrong. That's how I thought of it. Yeah, I was like oh, it's not interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:51:56

He's kind of reliving his, his glory days.

Speaker 3: 1:51:58

But anyway, or melding synthesizing.

Speaker 2: 1:52:01

Yeah right, right now we get to a Dinner out with Nate and His family. Everybody's getting along famously. We have a dolly shot of the Nigerian national coach. What are?

Speaker 3: 1:52:19

what colors of Nigerian national team wear Orange and green. You mean, you mean, you mean when. You mean when Sam goes home out of the Richmond magical space he ends up in green.

Speaker 2: 1:52:36

Yeah, I mean, there's their green. They're green, green, green, in this case the keeper.

Speaker 4: 1:52:40

Yeah, cuz he's safe, nobody else's apparently.

Speaker 3: 1:52:43

Yeah, I don't know, he must be kintazuro. We'll see, we'll find out.

Speaker 2: 1:52:48

That is incredibly powerful. I can barely keep it together with Sam the team.

Speaker 3: 1:52:53

I know, and you know, what it meant to him to like it's very, that's very cool. Oh, here comes a part that I know just made bosses heart sing.

Speaker 4: 1:53:04

We literally don't have time today, just.

Speaker 2: 1:53:11

Don't boss, just let it happen.

Speaker 4: 1:53:14

No, hit me up in the community site and then I will talk. That's not a bad point here is not the place, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:53:24

Okay, so I will. I will join you there and I think we should actually promise that to the Buttercups and follow through on it, because Jamie, sitting there with James senior Eat, this one didn't bother me. Like I actively was mad about gazelle, like that, that like I was actually mad, but this was more like I was like see, you're gonna make me have to go out there and defend you again. I didn't need this.

Speaker 2: 1:53:47

We talked we talked for a long time about this and I did not like it. Oh no, I didn't hate it the way Boston, but like this is the disnification of the show and we're like oh, every, every ending's happy. So, yes, this is, if you want to hurt boss. You just keep doing this and then she gets yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:54:05

Well she gets, we'll be in the community, we'll go out in the community.

Speaker 2: 1:54:11

So Jamie and James start senior, looking at pictures and having a grand old time. And now we're at a barbecue. We see Roy and Jamie, best friends, sitting together next to Keely, who's got Phoebe on her lap. Rebecca and gizelle show up. He, phoebe and gazelle daughter are pals. Yes, they are pals. They have been doing play dates and hanging out while well, the grown-ups I'm sure, are drunk, knowing the show funny and and everybody seems like they're they're having a grand old time. It's very European in that, instead of the Cavalryness, spacious American right as the location for a barbecue.

Speaker 2: 1:54:57

We'll go on for for four acre acres and acres and acres. You have. You have just everybody crammed into a little sidewalk in front of the front of the flat.

Speaker 3: 1:55:05

I think it's significant. There's so much color in the shot We've got. You know Keely's got on yellow. You know track pants as does. Then you have the yellow with the, with the gazelle girl. I Feel like there's a like, there's a lot of color here, and I think our feminine junior Higgins is Leslie, isn't? It looks like a pink.

Speaker 2: 1:55:32

Yeah, he's in a pink apron like I think I.

Speaker 3: 1:55:35

I think choices were made. I'm not sure that it's supposed to be like pink means this, yellow means that, but I think the choice to have all the colors of the rainbow in this shot is is intentional.

Speaker 2: 1:55:50

I'm just happy to see Jamie and Roy getting along, pat, being best friends the way they should be. I only care about the male subplots. That's really funny, I was gonna say, does that?

Speaker 3: 1:56:01

I thought it was significant that three of them were sitting together, like I think this might actually as a an offshoot of our hey, rebecca and Ted don't have to sleep together To prove the importance of the relationship. I think this is the optimal configuration of these three human beings. They will be friends until one of them heads down that road. You were talking about this way.

Speaker 2: 1:56:23

Yeah, then maybe the other two will finally get together, no matter who's right, jamie and. Roy let's do this. We get a shot of PB and J Certify we get. We have shot of them. Looking at a piece of paper Paula's holding it. He's got gloves on the way you would hold the Stanley Cup, or something, an artifact of.

Speaker 2: 1:56:45

Import, and then we do a reverse shot where we see one share of Richmond. This is a certified by a battle. So prep bass, primrose, basal primrose, jeremy Blumenthal and Paula floor, all, all sort of floral sounding.

Speaker 3: 1:57:11

Right, yeah, I didn't process that, but absolutely, that's really interesting actually yeah, and then mays got her own.

Speaker 2: 1:57:20

We see an insert of May tapping on her. She's very happy. She adjusts the portrait in the bar Allah cheers as a shout out to.

Speaker 3: 1:57:31

Coach, before we move on, connect I. You moved quickly. There was mays. Last name Didn't have a name, just said sure, I thought there was a name there. Sure, it's green, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:57:45

Was it green coach?

Speaker 3: 1:57:46

Oh, my coach Bishop feeling good about his theory. We're closing in on it, folks. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:57:53

Richmond. Green and may. Green, you're right, and yeah, that's it. That's it, you're right. Okay, and yeah, may adjust the. The portrait which is we've mentioned before, is the is a. It's a homage to the final episode of cheers, where George went was a character, and this, today, this is real life, uncle, is that right? And yeah, now we're at Trent's book signing. Meet the author, trent Prim. He's, he is signing books and what is the name of the book? Now, boss, the Richmond way, don't tell coach. Hey today.

Speaker 2: 1:58:43

Yeah, the rich and way up the unbelievable season of a premier league underdog, trent Crim. With a very brief forward, Reikens, that's how how brief. I mean, that is growl. Yeah, how do you? Spell that right, exactly right.

Speaker 3: 1:59:00

Exactly right. But you know again I'll let it go, but it's not the Richmond way. There was no Richmond way. They can be a Richmond way now, but only because Ted lasso showed up and I just don't understand why we did this.

Speaker 2: 1:59:16

We now move to Keely Entering. She's looking as beautiful as always. She's got her hair up and she's all pinked out. She's in Rebecca's office and she hands her a KBPR joint.

Speaker 3: 1:59:32

We talked about the spike thing, right? I think we talked about that rapid response.

Speaker 2: 1:59:35

Yeah, we did, we did this and we Referenced in in Wayne the, the old mushroom over the blues. Now we have this moment here and, coach, you're gonna have to walk us through it, because I got so choked up watching.

Speaker 3: 1:59:49

Oh you, yeah, this was like. This is catnip for you.

Speaker 3: 1:59:52

I won't even be able to say yeah, so so we hand over the binder and Rebecca opens it and we are proposing that Richmond have Women's soccer, afc Richmond women's team. At which point coach becomes a puddle. I start buying Gear, because that's my answer to let you, the world, know where I'm, who I'm rooting for. I'm very literal on that one. So I've got a Megan repeat no Jersey. I've got this shit that I'm like okay, I'm representing that now and I would definitely have an aFC Richmond women's league, women's team Jersey or kit very quickly. And yeah, so they have, they have that moment together.

Speaker 3: 2:00:39

Part of why I enjoyed that, by the way I mean, it's just an awesome kind of idea but also Part of what we talked about early on, was that I was a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more. What we talked about early on was like, oh, how cool to have these women be comfortable in this traditionally male world, which, yes, and there's an opportunity to say why is this a male world again? And so I just thought, like Cool, like cool way to say, like, yeah, we get it. The men don't have to be the only one scoring goals around here. We told this particular story, but the story goes on.

Speaker 2: 2:01:19

Yeah, domestically the fastest growing sport is pickleball and Internationally, the fastest growing sport in the world is when the soccer is that right. Yeah, yeah, yeah it's, it's a, it's a meteoric rise, and although I know boss's friend doesn't like that term oh no, is it atmospheric? He doesn't like I forget.

Speaker 3: 2:01:38

I may have told you I had someone who hates meteoric, but maybe you do. You do too, boss.

Speaker 4: 2:01:42

Oh, maybe it was you, me, me Dears, don't rise, they fall.

Speaker 2: 2:01:45

They don't, they really don't Right right Now we continue and we get an inside, a little insert, close-up of a one of the One of the army men, and we pull back, see, we see a hand grab it. We pull back and it's Roy Kent and he is looking at who.

Speaker 4: 2:02:07

Dr Sharon in green. Yeah, boss.

Speaker 2: 2:02:13

And what's her new title?

Speaker 4: 2:02:14

oh, God apparently needing stronger glasses.

Speaker 3: 2:02:19

Head of mental health and emotional well-being at and and obviously it feels like this had to have been a Rory call, like, oh yeah, because I mean I don't see didn't do it while Ted was there and I don't see no.

Speaker 2: 2:02:38

No, just like, as long as that prick is funny, I will do.

Speaker 3: 2:02:40

I don't see, but do you see Leslie being like hey, you know what I was thinking? Like I feel like Roy looked around and was like yeah, no, this needs to happen, like I need.

Speaker 2: 2:02:49

I need to actually write cuz I have no people skills.

Speaker 3: 2:02:52

At least Ted could approximate, he could jump into his, his Ted, last, though we didn't know as a Actually his, his mom's routine, but yeah, but there's gonna be noticed.

Speaker 2: 2:03:06

A growling doesn't have the same effect. This Ted's listening, so it's impossible if dr Sharon's are here.

Speaker 3: 2:03:12

He's ready for the next step. Oh, also, he asked for help, right, and this is gonna be about getting better. But also I think there's something around and this I would with the ball, with the, a beard Sorry, part of the conversation, some other things. There's a difference, and, on a decisiveness, between being the person in charge and being anybody else in the leadership group. Like part of decisive is also that person who finally, after everyone's shattered and throwing the ideas around or whatever, and I think you can say you know, fuck it, I played hurt. When you're an assistant coach, but the conversation is a little different and a little more complicated when you're a head coach.

Speaker 2: 2:03:56

Yes, sir, and he makes. He makes the call. He's gotta be in the buck. Stops with him. At this point we see we cut to Nate who's painting, and then we we have a shot of him. Beard is telling him to adjust something. They're both in the new, the new warm-ups with sort of the new color color later blue kits, and what is happening here, coach?

Speaker 3: 2:04:23

We're adjusting something instead of falling off a chair. Now. Nate has asked for the very least, received actual help To reach up, and we see that we have contugued the believe sign, which I Really kind of lost my shit on that one, and not even in a crying way, just in a you guys are amazing, and I'm gonna miss this shit out of you where, because that was when I saw that was really all of it right there. I'm actually. I know they don't listen to this. I am gifting.

Speaker 3: 2:04:56

Well, actually I need to finish the conversation, but I found somebody who creates hearts, these green, our company colors green and they create these green hearts that are contugued. Like you know, that's how the stones are put together and that's what I'm giving them, because that's like a whole. That's like a whole symbol of work, where you're working, we're gonna be doing in the in the coming year, like when you put the pieces back together. So, yeah, the contugued thing definitely hit hit home for me.

Speaker 2: 2:05:29

It's an iconic image and the imagery of it being put back together, stronger than it was before, ostensibly with the gold filigree, the gold paint, is thereby, you know, sort of Closing every, every subplot that we've had around the team and and, for all intents and purposes, that is the end of of the show. And now we get into like sort of something that Was, I'm gonna say, not to not say confusing, but it was like okay, what was this? This part now like that, that part is like this sort of okay, real world, definitive ending of Ted lasso, and then we get a Boss walk us through the imagery that happens now.

Speaker 4: 2:06:20

So we're at stone out which. What was it Christmas, that beard and Jane, we're gonna Stonehenge as friends because they were broken up at the time. Now they're getting married. Their hands are wrapped in red string, not around anybody's penis, as far as we could tell although. Roy is covering his crotch, sort of so who knows?

Speaker 4: 2:06:41

The night is young yep, jane is visibly showing, definitely pregnant. At sunset there was some idea that this might be a dream sequence. I think as we're panning through the crowd we find out that the guy from beard after hours, the big bald guy, is there, which means Ted is not having the dream because Right, who's with this possibly be?

Speaker 4: 2:07:03

there is a bit of surrealism to it, but it's definitely not a dream. This is actually happening. The not priest, but the Efficient is saying how wonderful it is that we get to be here, to how marvelous to watch the relationship under the gaze of his lordship. Colin is there with his boyfriend, whose name I'm linking on right now Michael god damn it, I wanted to call him mark so close and Everybody seems pretty happy. It seems like it's pretty good. Danny's there with his girlfriends.

Speaker 2: 2:07:38

He seems part of the dream, part of the dream sequences, because they ran out of money. Yeah, this is like we're at, where Apple was probably like you know what? Go fuck yourself. Like we're not In the whole. Yeah, it's the worst CG in the world, so that's like almost joke level sucker punch. You know green screen nightmare. But yes, danny is now within the context of the story though.

Speaker 3: 2:08:04

I mean, yes, there is kind of an odd there's the whole thing, but it's not even like oh, just because it's real. It's just kind of odd for the production reasons we're saying. But I actually really liked I Always took that as a punchline that Danny is you know young, you know virile athlete, and that 90 ended up with two women and it. I never considered for a nano second that that they were a football. It's just not a thing that I, that my brain sort of like naturally go. So I thought it was kind of cool To like go, oh, like let me process this now that it wasn't just what I was seeing. It wasn't just like, oh, some women in bed with him, but like it's a real thing.

Speaker 2: 2:08:55

Yeah, yeah, what he walked. Keep walking us through that boss. We, oh, we did see the like, the guy that chased him and bearded.

Speaker 4: 2:09:04

That was a lot of shot, and he and he has.

Speaker 2: 2:09:06

He's got like a baby.

Speaker 4: 2:09:08

Also the jacket that beard is wearing is reminiscent of the pants with the stars and the colors and whatnot. So that is a nice callback also. Next scene is Ted waking up and that same sort of surreal sunlight on the plane right, which is why people thought it's an action now. It just seems like production value.

Speaker 3: 2:09:31

Now I oh sorry, sorry, boss guy oh.

Speaker 4: 2:09:35

No, no, no, I was just gonna keep going through it.

Speaker 3: 2:09:36

Well, let me just pause this, because the book he's reading because we're reading Dharma Bums on the way there, which was about two people on this path to find the truth the way back we're reading how to change your mind, which is Mike Ponds book about Psychedelics and how people are using them to deal with all sorts of challenges. And I think that is not just that somebody grabbed the first Book out of the prop department. I think it's very, very much intentional because of the experience he had in Amsterdam one, but also because I think this whole thing's been a bit of a trip and the Wizard of Oz kind of has a bit of that to it and like. They're all sorts of stories We've, we know, that have this quality of like. Was that real, did that really happen? And I think it's supposed to give a little, a little sprinkle of that at the end, although we know it really happened.

Speaker 4: 2:10:29

Oh yes, definitely really happened. I do like, though I think I've mentioned before that I feel like what they have shown us is Ted beginning his journey, not necessarily it being completed and he finished. He's not added the end spot with his mom or Michelle or himself.

Speaker 3: 2:10:45

Correct.

Speaker 4: 2:10:45

So reading the self-help book about changing his mind, not a bad choice. He pulls up to the house where apparently he's gonna be staying with Henry and Michelle for a little bit. Well, he gets settled back into Kansas City and the last scene is him coaching Henry soccer team. Hey, here called soccer. Sorry, it's not football here, it's soccer here.

Speaker 3: 2:11:06

Yeah, let me ask you what makes you say because I have had my own questions around this, like true questions what makes you say he's gonna be staying here for a bit while he settles back into Casey, because I wasn't sure if he was gonna be settling back in here because they were gonna Family or whether it was. He ain't staying here at all, but he's just stopping off here because this is where he knows people like. I wasn't sure what the deal was. How'd you land there?

Speaker 4: 2:11:39

My assumption is they are not getting back together, and not immediately. They're not. Michelle and Ted are not back together as of right now, at least, I refuse to acknowledge that as a possibility, because the show did no legwork for that. My assumption was when he left, this is the house that he lived in, and now that he's moving back, unless he's figured out how to set up another house From the other side of country or from the other side of the world, he's just gonna hang out until he gets a shit. They are close enough that he can do that. I don't think that they're back together.

Speaker 3: 2:12:10

Copy. Yeah, no, I wasn't trying to put them back together or not, I just found myself going I don't really know which made, which I was okay with. Actually, I thought that was an appropriate because I could see a very easily see a version of the world where they don't really know. So so, but well, he is coaching. I do want to point out that we then have the, the callback of Henry missing the kick, seeming very much like a, like an adopted son named Sam, who we took on in the magical world and now he's able to do have this goldfish moment with with Henry. So I thought that, um, anyhow, that I'm not sure how I feel about how this ended up.

Speaker 3: 2:12:57

Like, personally, like storytelling wise, I think it's fantastic Personally for Ted. I'm like Ted, I get it. I'm with you. I have said more than once that I coach an eighth grade championship game like it's the fucking Super Bowl. I get it. Still, I gotta think Somewhere in the United States at least there is a real professional coaching job for you that you maybe should look into, since Height of your career.

Speaker 4: 2:13:25

This is like a Sunday afternoon. This is. This is just for kicks.

Speaker 2: 2:13:29

Yeah, but we get that. We get the close-up, we push in tight on Ted's face. It's just a single of Ted lasso. We get fight tests playing by the flame lips and Just like that that's a black and we are out.

Speaker 4: 2:13:52

Oh, that's me, by the way, crying like that.

Speaker 3: 2:13:59

No I um.

Speaker 2: 2:14:01

Yeah, I let it take so long.

Speaker 3: 2:14:03

No, no, yeah, I got. They are not words enough for me to say how much I love this show. God, I just got to put it like that. But sorry, go ahead Boston.

Speaker 4: 2:14:12

I was only gonna say we're gonna need an entire another episode for you Guys to talk about finishing the episode of the last episode of Ted lasso so. Next week for me.

Speaker 3: 2:14:24

Yeah, yes, yeah, no. I yes to that and and who knows what else. But I Guess, as we reach that spot, we this whole voyage started for me with with coach saying you got to watch this thing and essentially declaring to me like they made a show about you, just that you didn't know it and they didn't know it, nobody knew it, but they made a show about you and it is staggering to me the journey I've been on in my life Over the time that I watched Ted lasso and how much shit lined up. I'm Emotionally I where I was and like where, even where I am now is sort of. We discussed the, the, the last of the episodes and the import, and I guess what I would pull from is just the importance of Dealing with the wounded part so that you can make the most of the good that came from being wounded.

Speaker 3: 2:15:33

And Until Ted did, he was kind of in a in between place where he was doing some really great stuff, but it was at his own expense and ultimately it wasn't a sustainable model and bow, but he did the work and so now he can. He can do the goldfish speech infinitely Because he's okay, he is okay. Beard can stay there, everything's okay. He's okay and I there's something. Um, he was not okay. Quite clearly, when we met him, we found out how not okay he was. But he's okay now and I guess that for me, of all the like oh should have been happy ending, is this a happy and he's that happy ending. This is as ultimately happy because of all the people he liberated in all his life before we met him and during this time, the one person who was very much tied up, bound up, locked up in a crazy way, was Ted, and so he's not anymore. So I like that. For me is like wow, love that, love that for the ending.

Speaker 2: 2:16:39

Beautifully said, coach. I want to thank everyone for taking this journey with us. It's not so much the 4,000 hours it took us to get here, but the friends we made along the way we.

Speaker 2: 2:16:53

Yeah, it's powerful. And, coach, I want to thank you for being the what we've always called the heart of the show, and I want to thank boss for what we've always called the balls of the show, even though we can't we can't think of a better term for it than the ovaries of the show or something like that. But, boss, thanks for keeping everybody in line and not welcome and.

Speaker 2: 2:17:14

And I didn't think so, did nothing. So, and and thank you to everyone who has taken this journey with us. It's been a labor of love and we feel so Well, we feel so thankful, so grateful for all the people all over the world who have taken this journey with us. We want to say thank you. This is what a tremendous, tremendous show Ted lasso was and is and will continue to be, not just for the lessons we can take away from it and the talking points that we can sort of in view our own lives with, but you know, the, the Genuine attempt at showing that something can be better than it currently is, and In this world that can be very tricky sometimes.

Speaker 2: 2:18:04

So we're very grateful to the show for that Going forward. We hope that that everyone sticks with us. We are now going to for those of you who have been with us the whole way we're gonna go back and finish the end of season two now so that we can have a completion, a complete, you know, sort of a completed product. And we'll go back and we'll handle that to the couple episodes that we weren't able to finish before season three launched. And and we hope you stick with us for that Coach? Where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 3: 2:18:39

I'm gonna call out the community Become a buttercup, support the show. We're gonna be having more of these conversations, we're gonna be looking at different shows. We're figuring out how to describe that in a way that helps folks find us in all the places. But, uh, join the during the community. There's some very good people people as good as you would imagine in there.

Speaker 2: 2:19:03

Yeah, it's the best thing about what we've done is the people that have joined the community. Boss, what about you?

Speaker 4: 2:19:08

still on Twitter with maybe not the best people across the world, but still there, and also more on blue sky. Handle it both is dumberly underscore chambers and writing for the antagonist at antagonist blogcom.

Speaker 2: 2:19:25

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Speaker 2: 2:20:20

We why would you?

Speaker 3: 2:20:22

do that shit with the gizellic man. That was fucking ridiculous, and didn't you?

Speaker 2: 2:20:28

Thanks, thank you, coach.

Speaker 1: 2:20:29

I Could let the last episode, just I know God forbid.

Speaker 2: 2:20:36

All right, thanks everybody. We'll see you next time.