The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear
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The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear
Ted Lasso | S2 Ep9 Part2 "Beard After Hours"
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Speaker 2:Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss. Without further ado, coach Castleton, okay, welcome back everyone. Today we are exploring season two of Ted Lasso. This is episode nine Beard After Hours. This is part two of an ongoing analysis of this wonderful episode. I'm your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop. What's good, that's good, that's good, boss, and our boss, emily Chambers.
Speaker 1:I was trying to get the depth of his voice without so much the actual sound of it, Like I can't do his voice because his voice is not sort of grading the way that mine is. Yes, Masely shrill, he doesn't have that going on.
Speaker 2:No, he doesn't. No, he's got that Billy Dee Williams kind of yeah.
Speaker 1:He's got like that honey voice and I've got the vinegar to go with it.
Speaker 2:Now, do you see him here, Boss? By any chance, have you seen him zero?
Speaker 1:Oh, no, he bailed.
Speaker 2:He did bail, oh right.
Speaker 1:Now in his defense. He is celebrating a small holiday on Monday. Not a lot of people are aware of it it's called Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yes, christmas, yes, I've heard of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not a lot of people celebrate it, so he had a few other things to do that obviously you and I wouldn't have to, because we don't have the same sort of social obligations.
Speaker 2:No, nobody likes us, boss. That's the that helps, but people do seem to like him.
Speaker 1:Well, he's not here, so nobody's going to refute that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I guess, Well, we are. Well, this is good, because we both loved this episode and he was, as my mother would say it's gets it, that's, that's, that's like a so so oh, that's the the hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you read it open down.
Speaker 2:He said he liked it in the, in the, in the previous and part one of this of this exploration he did say oh, I really like this episode. I'm just wondering, boss, why you know why you liked it so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you remember him saying that, yes, no, I do, and I said it's because I'm weird and twisted on the inside.
Speaker 2:And you said it's because it's one story. We're not jumping around. There's like a through line, that which which was very satisfying to you, considering how much jumping we have started to do at season two. At this point there's a lot of jump, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot emotion. A lot of emotion on the outside, I don't know. My nephew is four. He's adorable, I love him, he's one of my favorite people and when he moves it is not quick, but it is a lot Like the legs go in directions you don't think they should when you're trying to move forward. And your arms go with it Like he's just, he's all a Kimbo. And that's sort of how I felt about the season so far A lot of motion, not a lot of forward progress.
Speaker 2:Where's a lot of effort, a lot of effort.
Speaker 1:They were trying, but no, this episode I like they. They had one point that they needed to resolve and they followed it through.
Speaker 2:Good on them Love this episode? Yeah, I love it. Well, we left off last time, boss, where the gents had figured out a way to snazz themselves up to get into the after hours club. The bones, right. What's this place called, boss? Bones and Honey. Bones and Honey. Oh, they're in Bones and Honey, all right.
Speaker 1:So that's when Bishop and I do our own side project. That's what we call it.
Speaker 2:That's right, because your nickname is bones.
Speaker 1:And he's got the honey Bone. And he does have a voice like honey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good, that's good. Thanks for planning a project without me. Appreciate it Always. We are in Bones and Honey and we've seen our first glimpse of the phantasmagorial Lady in Red, a trope that's used in everywhere, from the matrix to CD. After hours, soft pornography and Beard has clocked her. Gone back to answer a question for the bartender about glasses. You specified in the last episode that you believe Brendan Hunt would take a glass, but just not their glass, correct, he would take a. What did you call it? A lippy or something like that. What's the name of it? Libby, libby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I have some. I drink out of them on Wednesday. They're great. They're the not an hourglass exactly, but wider on the top and then a smaller bottom, A Chicago bar staple.
Speaker 2:Got it, and so now, as we pick up this episode, my stomach tightens because I just hate these Oxford guys so much.
Speaker 1:Of course. So before we get to the Oxford guys, then I will mention after the airing of this episode and before we recorded this episode, I finally got around to watching, After Hours, the movie the Scorsese film, where dammit and I'm thinking forgetting his name already, but the lead is basically this guy who wanders around New York City where he lives through all hours of the morning, running into different women and getting into trouble. A woman dies. It's not my favorite movie. I'm just going to love it with you. It felt very much like straight white male anxiety in the 70s and 80s, not being quite sure about their place in the world anymore and everything is seriously now.
Speaker 2:And are you talking about Griffin Dunn? There we go.
Speaker 1:There we go. Yes, and I don't care about that. That's not a thing that reaches me. I'm sorry, but like straight white man anxiety. No, it's up there with sad rich people. I don't care about either one of them. You can figure it out, just do it. The point is I watched the whole movie to see what sort of similarities there are between this and Beard Beard After Hours and After Hours movie. There is not a redhead in that movie.
Speaker 1:This, I think, is something Brendan Hunt put in specifically because he told a story one time about how he went to Burning man and that while he was there one of the nights, middle of the night, across the desert, he sees some gorgeous redhead and she looks over at him and he looks back at her again. He's like, yeah, I'm going to go talk to her. But before he does that he decides that he needs to put on the pair of long johns that he purchased on the way to Burning man because the desert gets very cold. Yeah, right, so he grabs the long johns, he puts them on. He's struggling to get them on. There may be drugs involved, probably Like that's a music and drug festival. That's probably what was happening.
Speaker 2:I mean, I doubt it. It is Burning man. It is Burning man, I doubt it. Everybody loves to Super sober.
Speaker 1:Everybody loves to go to the desert and not do drugs. It's what the desert? Is for Right. Yeah, why do you think the Jews wandered for so long? They were fucking high, couldn't figure out where they were going.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that's the original, I'm pretty sure. I don't know if that's historically accurate, but anyway, keep going, I've been to church three times.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that's it so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, that's true.
Speaker 1:He's struggling to get on the long johns and he actually eventually falls over onto his back and is still trying to pull the pants on. And looks up the stars are beautiful. He's hearing the music and he's like what in the absolute fuck is going on? Sits up. The woman in red head is gone. Wherever she is, she has disappeared into the crowds, never for him to see her again. And he thinks what the fuck is wrong with the long johns. And he looks down and realizes that he had grabbed a child's medium instead of a full grown adult's medium. So he was trying to squeeze his body into the pants of an eight year old boy, freezing. I understand I shouldn't have said it that way, but he did tell the Trouble something.
Speaker 2:Trouble something. Trouble something From a sound bite. Perspective, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think that might be the beginning of Brendon Hunt, and therefore Brendon Beards, relationship with Red Heads.
Speaker 2:I did not know this. This is fascinating, okay.
Speaker 1:This is what happens when I develop a crush.
Speaker 2:No, it's good. This is really good, and I'm glad that you watched this Rosesi's picture. I would offer that the first world troubles of white men are something everybody can enjoy.
Speaker 1:Sure Well, troubles, yes, it's more so the needing to empathize with the troubles. And I'm he's like, oh man, my life sucks because I do data entry. And I'm like, fucking everybody does data entry. Now, data entry is like what everybody's job is. Get over it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we don't do that Well. So when we pick up the, we pick up the action. I say again we are with three sentient dildos who have attended Oxford. They are terrible people. I just just can't stand them. That's the goal of the show is to make you dislike them. They are lording themselves over our three PB&J characters in every possible way to make them feel small and belittling them and insulting their intelligence and referencing trigonometry. Take it away here, boss.
Speaker 1:So for starters, they do say trig instead of angles. Pool is just angles. Make sense. Same pool is just trig is a fancy way to show off when you don't need to. When you are already asserting that you are better at pool than these guys are, you don't also need to assert your superior intelligence, they're just being yeah but need is not part of this.
Speaker 2:It's so. It's such a small quality to belittle others. It is such an identifier of your own shitty projection to feel the need to highlight your whatever perceived superiority you think you have Right away. It's like it's like people that shit on waiters and you just go all right, like right away, oh, where did you study? What school did you study in? Fellas? I was like okay, right away You're a less good person, yeah. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 1:Which, like I understand why this happens. I'm not ignorant of social status, but the fact that this extremely exclusive, membership only club would be the place where you would go to Habnab with other assholes makes me think I don't want to go to your schools or hang out in your clubs. I think in the last episode I made a joke about not wanting to belong to any club that would have me, and this is a case where I just don't want to be part of the club. I can drink for near free at my place and I'm not good at pool, so it's fine. So yeah, the assholes say let's put a wager down 20 quid. Baz says wait a minute, what's trig? And they all truffle and say trigonometry maths. Acting like assholes, beard comes in with an Irish accent exclaiming oh there you are, lads.
Speaker 1:I thought I lost you, then where would I? Be sad and alone? And starts in on this thing where-.
Speaker 2:Which is the worst thing, boss, by the way. Worst thing One thing to be sad, To be sad and alone. Another thing to be sad and alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he doesn't want to be sad and alone, which actually is true, because Beard made these guys come along with him to break into bones and honey. So either way, there's that. He introduces himself as Professor Declan Patrick Aloysius McManus which is a fucking name to come up with all of a sudden and then goes on about how he taught at Oxford.
Speaker 2:I think that's Elvis Costello's real name, by the way.
Speaker 1:Oh is it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:I know Declan. I didn't know the rest of them, but you know it's, it's. You can't have that many names you can have A lot of names you can have-.
Speaker 2:You can have three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I say that knowing that there is somebody listening to the podcast who has four names, and I'm still going to say to her also you can have three names, it's time to choose. One of them needs to be eliminated.
Speaker 2:I have a younger sister who went crazy with names, oh God, and I tried to talk her out of it. And so each one of her three children has five names. What Three middle names? Yeah, three middle names each. And when she was going through the middle names I kept poo-pooing the middle names. They were saying these are foreign words that will not translate, like if one of them one of them was. She pronounced it. My sister, who was American, born here, sounds like me. She said her daughter's middle name would be Amirulis and I was like you know, that's going to be Amarilis.
Speaker 1:Amarilis.
Speaker 2:When-? Yeah, and you understand that that's going to be-. So now my nieces are like in their early teens and they're like our middle names are stupid. So when we're 18, uncle, will you take us to change our names Officially? Yeah, I warned my sister, warned her. This was going to happen. These are stupid.
Speaker 1:Maybe she's just not familiar enough with the Midwest, because we have cities like Des Plaines and Cairo, and there's one other terrible one that I can't think of right now, but I will think of it. But we just fucking, we just butcher the names however we feel.
Speaker 2:Like yeah Right, like yeah Of course it's I don't think there's anywhere on earth that thinks Americans make things sound better. No, no. They might say oh, they're happy people. I've heard that. You know, they're real friendly. Americans are friendly, they're loud, I've heard loud. I don't think what you get is a lot of people in a taverna in Vienna saying man, I wish we could pronounce that the way an American-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's never been a thing. That's happened. I've read someplace that said that the sexiest accent, as surveyed by some number of people, was the Boston accent, and that's a lie, that's a lie.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, that's probably the first thing we're going to disagree on in this episode. It's so fucking hot boss.
Speaker 1:It's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fucking beautiful guys.
Speaker 1:It isn't, it's really not, it's no it's really not. And I say that as a Chicago it's terrible.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, which gives you no standing.
Speaker 1:None, none whatsoever, just horrible.
Speaker 2:But I still know Everyone sounds like an exhaust pipe failing in Chicago and so-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can see that you know what. I mean Like they're all oh, we are extremely fast.
Speaker 2:Well, it's also because you don't fin Remember, you truncate every-. Yeah, it's not like one word is not-. No, you take three words and turn them into one word and then you move on quickly. It's just the cold. Everyone wants to get out of the cold, so you got to sort of truncate it.
Speaker 1:You want to go to the jewels.
Speaker 2:It's so painful.
Speaker 1:That's a sentence.
Speaker 2:I know. I hope Please never say it again. All right, so we get we get we get we get beard here. He is like oh, I'm at your service. He's pretending he's a professor. He says these are my protégés, these are the best of the best at Oxford. Now they're having a liquid reunion. They are very skeptical. They know like this is poor shit. These guys are dressed in thrift shop clothing. It's I mean, it's not-. I have so much tension around the scene because I'm like I don't, I actively don't want them to want to be part of an exclusive place, because I find that like not something to aspire to, but in that beard has chosen to come here. You just, you know these guys are looking down their nose and it's an uphill battle for beard to convince them that he's on the up and up. And it's not a perfect Irish accent either.
Speaker 1:So it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's not great, but he does nail all of the details that he needs to that campus where he worked and the same year they asked when he retired. He says 2015. The same year they beat Cambridge in the boat races by six and a half lengths, lest we forget. And one of them was like oh, I was on the team, I was the Cox, and he's like oh, harry Gill, yes, you were like he, he does know his shit. His accent is not on, but he fuck it. He has this cover.
Speaker 2:He does know that there's, yes, this guy. There's no way this guy's a Coxon. First of all, no, coxon. Coxons look like jockeys, they're like their team.
Speaker 1:They're the men that I'm attracted to. Short.
Speaker 2:You know right, that's right. Teeblor else with bad credit, and yes, but no, I would. I don't think any Coxon in the world has bad credit, because they're, they're in charge. They're large and in charge. On the inside they're like little yop yop dogs that think they're great Danes. You know they're that, they're that, they have that dynamic. So when they're great, they really good. Coxon, it can be the difference between winning and losing. He definitely does. You always say that, I always say that. Yeah, you always do say that and the. I just don't want to disparage Coxon or people who wrote crew.
Speaker 1:People who love. They deserve a little bit of attention.
Speaker 2:Also, I would say you strike me as someone who's had a few Cox.
Speaker 1:This is why we need Bishop here. He keeps us from doing this.
Speaker 2:All right, so he has enough. Allah. Have you ever seen Ronan, the movie Ronan boss?
Speaker 1:Oh, if I did, it was a while ago.
Speaker 2:What covers what colors. The Boathouse and Hereford. It's like a real basic thing like what color is the Boathouse and here If you can't tell me that, I know you're full shit. So the fact that he knows the Christ Church and and Merton I'm a Merton man myself, you know like it's a he's able to put piece of these things together, it's stunning. The guys are shocked, pb and J are blown away, and then we basically get Okay, we get now, we get the male bonding portion of this or it's like all right, well, all right, shit, I guess we'll accept you, like you know, and this is where all men are equal In the in the, as long as you're an Oxford man here, boss. I think this is what we're learning.
Speaker 1:Well, it's that and also so you said before that you didn't want them to want to belong to this club or want to join this club. I think that there's a difference between wanting to be the kind of person who would join this club and wanting to get one over on them in order to experience the club even though they're not members. I think that it's more the second one than the first, like they're doing this as a goof. I think that it's the. That place doesn't want us to get in, so I'm going to sneak in Not I'm going to get in there, and then they're going to understand that I'm a good person and that they should want me in their club.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, yes, I guess, I guess I mean, that's just how I read it.
Speaker 1:This was sort of like one of the years when I told my roommate that she and I should rush the sororities and she was like no, we shouldn't. She was like number one, I'm only half out of the closet lesbian and you are you so definitely you don't want to be in a sorority and I was like no, but we should just show up.
Speaker 1:And he'd be like wait, so are you guys the slutty sorority, because we're only interested in the sorority, and then like not actually join, like to show up to be an asshole and then leave because it would be fun.
Speaker 2:Not, your idea of fun.
Speaker 2:I mean for me. I like I don't know, boss, listen, I get a lot of enjoyment living vicariously through whatever crazy At any given time. Once we have the bonding scene here with the with the jerk faces, it's funny. Because the is not funny, it's terrible. But it's appropriate that everything hangs in the air until until the tallest, handsomest, blondest Aryan guy gives him the vote of confidence, gives beard the ex Motherfucker. So it's like OK, now we're all in. Now Now everything's chummy. Baz for some reason, accepts their, their betting, like accepts the 20 quid bet. They can't scrape 20 quid between them.
Speaker 1:But this is now one of those things that I know Bishop has mentioned before. When poor people do it, it sucks, but when rich people do it, it's fine. If they were poor people and couldn't scrape together 20 quid, that would be like oh God, guys, come on. But if there are three eccentric professors or academics, if, like, they can't be bothered with the problems of day to day having cash, this is like how Sir Isaac Newton wouldn't bathe for a long time and people were like, well, he's an eccentric genius, so he gets away with it. And if they are Oxford, if they are brilliant, then them not being able to put 20 bucks together is sort of endearing. This is no longer uncomfortable, or at least while I was watching it I was like this is fine, they're fine with us. Yeah, it's somehow.
Speaker 2:Again. Once, yeah, once you're over the line, once you've crossed the line of acceptance, whatever choices you make can be seen as endearing. Hey, of course they're grad students.
Speaker 1:Of course. Of course they're trying to, yeah yeah. They're too busy locating the God particle, like they can't stop at the ATM. The fuck do you want from them? Are you finding God?
Speaker 2:It is funny, and it's funny how that happens. In the meantime, as they're starting to get this together, beard notices the woman in the red dress again and she gets Beard's attention and he walks away from the pool table. Paul stops and quickly says hey, wait, how do you know all that stuff about Oxford? And he says I dated a professor at Oxford and I listened more than I thought.
Speaker 1:I should mention I had and I can't remember if I've already brought this up, but I had a similar feeling watching this scene that I did in season one when Trent Crimm the Independent, when they're at the Indian restaurant and Ted is explaining to Trent about how he just wants to help these guys, there was something about the scene where I was like, oh, they're not going to make anybody a fool here, like Ted knows what he's doing and he's going to be okay and Trent is not going to make fun of him. And in the scene I was like oh, beard has this. Like Beard has this down, he is going to pull this off, even if it's shady as hell.
Speaker 2:I am trying to balance those two scenes in my mind. That is an interesting connection, boss, because what I with the Ted and Trent, it was Trent being totally on the offensive, even though his mannerisms were pretending to be sort of down to earth and just watching, he was still early Trent in the show and Ted was so earnest and daring and he had nothing to hide. He was like no, I really, this is really what I want. Trent couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2:I think maybe I was nervous because Ted didn't fully pick up on that this was an antagonistic situation for him, that this was a that Trent views things as these, as many battles, as how he approaches them. So I was nervous for Ted in that scene only because I thought he didn't understand the danger he was in with Beard. I was like I don't know if he's going to pull this off. This is just straight crazy. And there's all of these extra variables in the form of these guys who can't even like, who make a bet that they can't cover. I'm like, oh man, I don't know Like I felt very nervous about the prospects in this scene.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, completely the opposite. As soon, I think during season one or maybe shortly after it had finished. But a friend of mine texted me and she said I'm finally watching Ted lasso. Are they going to be mean to him? And remembering the Trent crime scene, I thought not more than he can handle. They, they, they're not going to be meaner to him than you or he or the audience in general can handle.
Speaker 1:And I had that same feeling in this scene I was like no beard, they're not going to be mean to beard, they're not going to make a fool out of him Like he'll be able to figure this out.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, they won't make a fool of him, but he'll be able to. He'll be able to navigate it. Yes, okay, all right. Okay, yeah, I think I still had a little anxiety, but all right, let's keep going. Boss, we follow him through. He's now following the woman in red. There's he's in this sort of trippy hallway. There's neon lights that above him to change color, you know, in sync with the music. It feels like the. The vibe has totally changed now, right, like from what it was in, like a billiards kind of thing. And walk us through this moment. When he walks through the door, he walks through the door.
Speaker 1:He's somehow still looking for the woman in red, even though he didn't see any doors open or see her go into any rooms. He just stumbles into a room, two armchairs, a bunch of TVs with like sort of a lava lamp effect on all of them different colors. He's watching it, this is a room for drugs. If you're on drugs, this is the room that you want to be hanging out in.
Speaker 2:This is a pretty good drug room. Yeah, I thought that too Pretty good drug room. Notice there's three. There's three of the most. Those are my favorite types of chairs, like those big comfy library style reading chair, high back chair and well, it's not high back, it's just a regular back. But but he, they're super comfy, but he just sits right on the T on the coffee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I believe he later refers to it as a flea market reclaimed knockoff trunk or something We'll get there in one second. But he sits down on the trunk. He doesn't sit down to make himself comfortable. He sits down in the least comfortable place, takes a deep breath and then the TVs all switch over to Terry Henry and his partner, whose name I'm not referring right now. Sorry, not Terry Henry.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, right, right, it's yes, they switch, they switch up Terry Henry's partner in different episodes.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But yeah, now they're talking about beer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're talking almost directly to beer, saying hard to forget a game like that. You know what would help going to see the woman you love and then basically they start berating him. Beer itself esteem is so low he will need a pep talk to kill himself and I would like to give that pep talk that Jesus Christ even for me that is a lot Like I have thought some pretty horrible things and said pretty horrible things to people and that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that I want to be the one to talk you into killing yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to give you, give you enough courage to kill yourself, although that I have never wanted to encourage someone to kill themselves. But I do remember thinking about a person that I disliked an extreme amount. You're actually too big of a coward to kill yourself and I never said that to them, but it is a thing that I thought about them and that is one of the least complimentary things I could consider about a person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's, I know the type.
Speaker 1:Eventually beard upset with them, telling him that he needs a pep talk to kill himself, stands up and shout shut up to Ariane and rips his pants as he's shouting. The security guard walks in because you.
Speaker 2:what is it? What do you rip his pants on here? Oh, the nail on this person.
Speaker 1:Persian flea market coffee table. Just tore my pants.
Speaker 2:Which I love it.
Speaker 1:And I says I would say like, yeah, faux Persian flea market coffee table Great, but you were at Bones and you were supposed to be Bones and honey. You don't get to have foe anything, that's your whole thing.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to be so rich? Yeah, you don't need it.
Speaker 1:It's fine, right? The security guard immediately asks for Beards membership, and then we cut two beard, getting thrown out of the side door while shouting my friends are in there and as he's turning around from shouting this, he hears somebody say I'm sure you know your trousers are ripped and it's the redhead the woman in red.
Speaker 2:Low and behold there she is Low and behold, it's very serendipitous boss, to find her waiting for leaning. She's not. She's not moving, I can't. She's standing out there waiting.
Speaker 1:You know, and one of those things that happens every single day, that sort of coincidence, very realistic Actually, it's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was okay with that. It definitely works with this sort of you know, alice in Wonderland. Yes, the whole kind of vibe of this whole episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Of course she would be there in a way yeah, no, I, I was going to say it's a bit Alice down the rabbit hole, following her down the or down the hallway and then losing his friends and ending up on the other side in the different world. After she mentions that his trousers are ripped the best line maybe not the best line of the episode, but up there Beard says the pants are designed that way to make it easier for people to kiss my ass. It's great, it's perfect. The delivery, the line itself, it's all very, very good. I really I liked it a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. No, it's great. It's yeah, it's interesting, we got a great shot. We're talking about framing of shots, the two of them looking at each other with a lot of like depth in the background. It's like a cinematographers kind of wet dream shot. Lots of you know lights in the city and they approach each other and get real close. And then what does she say?
Speaker 1:She says to watch out that she could be arrested for indecency. Beard says he doesn't realize the laws were so strict here, and she says that England is a repressed nation, one exposed to ask and bring down the monarchy itself. To which Beard says how dare you speak of Prince Andrew that way?
Speaker 2:That's a yeah. That's they did they, they, they, they, they. They went through a lot of sweat labor to get to that show boss.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with it, when I think is even wilder is the extent to which I am sure that there have been other shows that maybe didn't have the same not notoriety, but it seems like by season two of Ted Lasso they had enough poll at Apple that they could say we're putting in this joke and that nobody's going to push back too hard. I have to imagine there might have been some show producers who would say you can't actually make fun of the monarchy like this, even though we're fucking Americans. We had a whole goddamn show and then a mini second one just to make sure that we don't have to give a shit about the monarchy, that you're not allowed to make fun of the man who has credibly been accused of raping teenage girls. So like there's something fucked up, that this seems like a joke, that we're like oh, they're going after Prince Andrew, fucking the police should be going after Prince Andrew. A joke on Apple TV should not be considered like wow, we really got him. It's annoying to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I get it but yeah, fuck. Yeah, she says she offers to fix Beards pants and she says she lives over there. Beards says asks her to the pointy building. What does she say?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's it Okay. I would like to also mention, just because I didn't call it out before, the same sort of big, almost bluish moon that started the episode is present in this shot also, but that is a sign above bones and honey, like there is the moon again. It's just in a slightly different way. It's not exactly the same, but I like that. They keep throwing it at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's cool, it's not in the signage, it's great. So she says no, and then we get a shot of them walking off, cut to. We get a little bit of a little bit of a, we get a little establishing shot of a double-decker bus going by to make sure we're still know that we're in the UK, and then bam into her apartment into an apartment that would cost millions and millions of dollars in London.
Speaker 1:It's a huge loft with a second floor, a balcony of some sort, like it's all just one giant room. It's very rustic, but I can only imagine that either she rents at an astounding rate each month or she dropped a few million in order to purchase this. But, like normal people do not live in this apartment in London. There is a very good reason that she was at bones and honey in the first place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she is in the royal family to afford it. It's the only way. The only thing I can think of is she's in the peerage, because I don't. What are we talking about? This is a. It's like a friend's apartment.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, your grandmother, your grandmother had it rent controlled, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, got it All right, so he takes off his trousers.
Speaker 1:At her instruction and she says people come and go from my life, I've always kept a pair of their trousers. This rack is like my memories and then hands him a pair of my memories, memoirs, memoirs. Oh my memoirs, yeah, no, no, no, yeah, that's right that I like that line even less. That doesn't oh my memoirs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's more, it's more like it.
Speaker 1:They're very literally souvenirs Like you, it's not. They aren't like anything else what they are.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why we don't care about. This is why it's happening in the UK and not in Chicago, because that's what this is like a rack of my silver nearest guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, here's. Oh, let me show you. Let me show you my keepsakes.
Speaker 2:That's like it's like I think her way is a little sexier boss, if that's what we're going for, because this is up and that's never happened to me. Do you have keepsakes of trousers? You have trousers, keepsakes box? Oh God no.
Speaker 1:I have leggings and I just realized the other day that I have 12 pairs of them. I don't need trousers or keepsakes Plus. You know I try to chase off at most of the people that I've known. I've I've sent a lot of one of them to Utah, one of them to Montana couple of them to Asia, couple of them out of the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I can speak for someone that hangs out with you a lot to say that you do an incredibly good job.
Speaker 1:Oh hey, thanks. Yeah, You're going to need to go into hiding when this podcast is over?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. So we have a pantsless beard.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do.
Speaker 2:And holding him. He's holding his pants up by the, by the little sort of finger she, she. What does she grab to give him at this point, boss?
Speaker 1:Oh, a pair of sort of spandex, multi-colored, sparkly bell bottoms, like like disco pants, like pretty serious hardcore disco pants yeah.
Speaker 2:He looks great in them. And have you ever looked back on a relationship? Oh wait, no, no. He says whose pants were these? And she says an old lover. Where is he now? He's dead. Beer drops his keys again. This is where a coach coach would be getting off on all the all the ancillary key dropping and the symbolism behind that. He would be doing doing some pretty, pretty decent yarn work about when the keys are drawn.
Speaker 1:And what color they are and how. Some metals become green when they're oxidized and some become orange.
Speaker 2:That's right, if you notice the patina and she asks what to beer.
Speaker 1:Have you ever looked back on a relationship and regretted it ended, which I mean? That's a question that gets asked all day, every day also, I am teasing a little bit about the extent to which they, the writers, were fully willing to embrace every sort of coincidence and contrived plot. I actually enjoyed it, I enjoyed it a lot. But yes, they are being very upfront and obvious about how we are taking him out of the drug that he needs.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing. Yes, we're down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Yes. The normal rules are out the window and we can just go along with the craziness and be part of it and enjoy it, yes, of a random unnamed redhead taking you to her place to fix your trousers, and she happens to have a rack of trousers. And also, would you like to talk about being in love and heartache? To which beer? Yeah, the question about has a relationship ended and you regretted it? He says I've been doing that all day.
Speaker 2:And she says yeah, she says what.
Speaker 1:I've looked at every man in my life and I don't think I regret a single one of those relationships ending.
Speaker 2:And he says in all my happiest memories I'm single. That troubles me.
Speaker 1:So I understand why he said that, but I also think that shouldn't be a wild assertion. I think that humans are very once we figured out what most of us do, we decide that that's the way that everybody should do it, or that that's the normal thing, the default that getting married and having kids and being with one person for the remainder of your life Though that's the default, so that's normal. I think that the fact that he says that troubles me is a fairly recent development, I think before. Jane, if you had said, does it trouble you that you've been single for most of your life, I don't know if it would have. So I understand why. What is actually troubling him is that he wants to be with Jane and Jane doesn't seem to want to be with him. But I don't think that it's wrong to say like I have a lot of great memories of going places by myself and doing things alone or not being in a romantic relationship.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, no, this is a big question and this is what they're sort of. Especially, you, boss of all people analyzing this, probably wouldn't have a problem with this because you're fiercely independent and you like to set up boundaries and live your life by your own terms, which a lot of people don't do, and so that wouldn't be something that would cause you great consternation to think oh yeah, I'm like with myself alone. She asks him if he's ever been in love. He says I mean, there's someone in my life now who, well, maybe it's chemo pills or maybe it's pheromones, but I want to be with her all the time. Is that love, or do I just have a problem? She says beard and she says what?
Speaker 1:Why can't it be both?
Speaker 2:Now we talked about the. I thought it was so interesting. In part one of this episode of this analysis, we talked about the picture of Jane by the purple cross purple neon cross and like are they signifying that she is salvation?
Speaker 1:Are they saying?
Speaker 2:she's what stands between him and salvation. Like, what are they saying? What's the commentary on this relationship? And this is a real, this is a great clue here, because they're saying it can be like, okay, is it love and is it a problem, or does he have a problem? And they're saying, well, why can't it be both? And first of all, that's some great nuance and I like that. It's not just binary but it's a commentary on the weirdness of Jane and beard, which, like we have like been shocked about certain things, certain choices that Jane makes that would sort of horrify your average person. That beard finds sort of a deer ring or like the codependency of it all. It can be troubling. And so, yeah, it's interesting, why can't it be both? Which is the writer's room, sort of refusing to pick a side on this, letting us sort of mull that question a little longer.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if it's only Jane and Beards relationship where it is both love and a problem. I think we're luckily moving away from a lot of the jokes and the humor about how much people hate their spouses, which, like I don't know why we did that for such a long time. Take my wife, please. Jokes from like the 1960s didn't really stop until maybe a few years ago where it was like it lasted through.
Speaker 2:That was the Rodney Danger for them. I mean before it was always through. The 20, 1920 was almost it was 1920s All the way through. Everybody loves Raymond. It was sort of that was like a core facet of it yeah. Maybe until the Cosby show, which we will often talk about here as a pivotal show that we look back on with frustration. But coach will talk about how it changed his opinion of families and that sort of thing. But yeah, that is a trope. That's lasted well beyond.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, jesus Christ, I hate my fucking life. But there's also been a lot of like oh my husband, what a big dumb oaf. And I'm like I think that I dislike.
Speaker 1:I don't like the idea of people being married and hating their spouse or even disliking their spouse. You should like and love the person that you are in a relationship with, but because you like and love them, they're also the person that usually could make you want to pull your hair out more than anybody else. Like, as a function of caring about them so much. When they do something that pisses you off, you're like what? Why the fuck would you do that? I know that you're smarter than this. Why would you not do something better? So I think that the act of saying it is love, and also I have a problem because, like, caring about somebody that much means that they're the person that hurts you the most, frustrates you the most, makes you the happiest. Usually, like, all of those things is in the same person. So I feel, like most relationships, people would say I love them the most and also they make me the most crazy. Both things are true because of each other.
Speaker 2:Right, we're supposed to presuppose, like the goal. Yes, the goal is that we understand that as a set value. Yes, yes, and that's not the comedy, but it doesn't always come through.
Speaker 1:No, no no, no, a lot of the times it just comes off as like people don't understand that the point between Alan Pegg Bundy was that they were supposed to be satirical and at some point somebody was like oh, it's just really funny to rag on your life all the time. Well, it's not like, don't be with her, then Just fucking get divorced. If you hate her that much, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:This is an option. I saw this graphic where I saw it, but it was about the number of kids growing up today who will eventually be married, and the numbers have dropped. It's crazy how much the numbers have dropped, and we talk about this all the time on the podcast. When you get into a relationship, there's a long-term relationship. We start to put a name on all of the various roles that you're expected to perform inside the relationship over a long period of time. It's roommate, it's co-designer of the property it's co-parent.
Speaker 2:It is medical agent. It is driver, taxi cab driver, first driving people to the airport. It is a medical assistant if you get sick. It's like every single thing for one other person and it can be very. People don't usually see that we do a terrible job in this culture of the civilization, in our society, of outlining all the roles before someone takes the proverbial leap into marriage. People tend to value the wedding day over the. They think of a marriage and think, oh, I'm married and have a wedding, and they focus a disproportionate amount of time on the wedding and not necessarily on what happens after. So all of these things are true, but you want to believe that if people have a great relationship, then you can have that sort of yeah, okay, let's drive it crazy, but she's the greatest, but I hate when she leaves the toilet seat, you know in some stupid.
Speaker 1:When they leave their fucking socks everywhere, when they're the smartest, funniest, best person you've ever met and you prefer spending time with them than anybody else. But why the fuck can't you put your socks into the goddamn laundry basket instead of on the fucking couch or the floor or anywhere else you feel like it? Why did you need to take your socks off right there? Were you standing up when you did it?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was an example that isn't from my life. I didn't mean that personally whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Now, lady in Reds, we don't get her name, we just call her Red. Right, her phone rings and she asks Beard to answer it.
Speaker 1:That's a weird thing to do, lady in Red, don't. It would be one thing if we're a house apart like the house phone, but it's your cell phone, that's weird now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, also I don't know if we mentioned this in the part one, I forget. I think we may have alluded to it. But you know, the Lady in Red is seductress typically, right, or some person to whom you're attracted, but in this version of Lady in Red she's more like an oracle. Yeah, because Beard's not like he is attracted to her. There's some magnetism between them. She is like a siren in a certain way, like he is compelled toward her. But you don't get the sense like somehow there's this element about it where she's more like an oracle than like a succubus.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, absolutely, and it because of the fact that Beard is doing all this because he's so love sick and having such a hard time getting over Jane. I never believed that it was going to end with him and the redhead boning. But he is going to go after another woman in the hopes of it may be at least lessening how badly he felt about Jane. It wouldn't last. It was going to make him feel worse about Jane eventually. If anything would happen, this was a go talk to another woman and remember that there are women other than Jane, whether that is in order to convince you that Jane is the only person for you or to convince yourself there will be other people after her. But one way or another, you needed to go talk to somebody who wasn't Jane, a woman who wasn't Jane.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, Absolutely, it definitely played out that way, but she's mischievous in a way she reminds me of If you've ever read anything about the Fae court or the Fae kingdom. She reminds me of a troublemaker. When the phone rings, she has him answer and it is a monster on FaceTime who immediately wants to who the fuck are you, bro? So she puts him in hot water. Had she just answered it? Yeah, the phone said do not answer. The caller ID was do not answer. Beards like what about? She's like no, no, it's just a joke. It's a character, Darren, who's played by Charlie Rawls. What a mug on this guy, my God. He's a giant man but also kind of a beaut. He says I'm here, babe, but I forgot my keys, and he's like who the fuck are you Like? Right?
Speaker 1:away. But I would say that, in addition to Beard continually dropping his keys, darren forgetting his keys is in the same vein. But there is something that he is missing. Beard seems to keep misplacing his, and Darren knows where his are. He just can't get to them.
Speaker 2:He left his keys in the apartment Right, yes, right, right, very good point, yes, oh God, where's coach William? He would do some great origami about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's probably doing some fucking caroling or something. Some shit what a loser.
Speaker 2:He's just a trouserless man I met at both. What's that? He's spending time with family. Oh God, he's reprehensible. He's a trouserless man. I met at Bones and Honey, to which the Darren character says what he says what to Beard on the phone?
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I'm going to punch your fucking teeth out of your face and feed them to your asshole like they're candy yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean that's that sounds like fun. I'm going to have that happen. Beards is oh shit. And she says you could have warned me. And all of a sudden he's at the door banging on the door. It's saying Beards is a dead man. When he gets in the apartment and we zoom in on Beards face, we get a techno beat that drops. And what is the? What is the fey witch say here?
Speaker 1:Run.
Speaker 2:Run.
Speaker 1:Run, run.
Speaker 2:Run, yeah, he's like. He's like, throws his shoes on, bolts out the, out the, like this back window thing. In comes the monster Darren. Where the fuck did he go? Beard runs up a spiral staircase up to the. It's like a fire, it's like a fire escape that goes up.
Speaker 1:He goes up onto the roof, he's looking for escape, not a good fire escape. It's going up. That's not what you want to do when escaping fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, fire burns down, boss, that's. I'm pretty sure Is that right?
Speaker 1:I can't remember, I don't know I'm not a fireologist, but I'm pretty sure that's not it.
Speaker 2:I'm not a, so he goes up to the top and you get yeah, I mean you get this moment where when Darren runs by the, the lady in red she just is tickled by this nut at all. I think she enjoys it somehow, weirdly. Well, I don't want to look at the smirk on her face. She's just like yeah, this is what happens.
Speaker 1:I don't want to time travel too much, but I think later in the episode we've learned things that make it make a little more sense.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, we'll talk about that when we get there.
Speaker 1:Although she definitely 100%. Yes, like she, she is a shit starter. Like she could have warned.
Speaker 2:Darren.
Speaker 1:She could have answered the phone, she could have explained to Darren when he got into the apartment, she could have not said this is a trouserless man that I met at Bones and Honey. Like she could have easily said he ripped his pants and I'm helping him out. You don't need to start with. He didn't have any pants on when he was in the apartment with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, she's a. She is a potster, in the same way that Ted is the ripple, the first stone in the in the, in the ripple-less pond in the real world. Something tells me she is of the same ilk in the fantasy world. In the after hours world, she makes a lot of these ripples happen. Now, beard this is, I can't believe, but he's Starsky and Hutch is himself off of the roof and into a dumpster full of garbage. I never understand the dump. It's great, it's a great show. People do it all the time. There's a lot of things to be seen, but I'm always like I've thrown enough enough things away to know. Oh, first of all, you could go right through those trash things and right to the bottom of the dumpster and smash, which you probably would. And second of all, you know you have a broken glass in the dumpster. Yeah, it's curtains, it's curtains, it's over.
Speaker 1:So, unless it's, like you know, a marshmallow factory or yeah, Unless you're outside of a bedding factory, it's not going to be good.
Speaker 1:Right, I would also like to mention it would never work in Chicago, because we have lids on our dumpsters, because we're fucking civilized, like fucking New Yorkers putting plastic bags of garbage onto the direct street and who were apparently London just having giant dumpsters filled with trash bags. There are rats, there are raccoons, there are animals that are trying to get in there. Put a fucking lid on it and keep it safe so you don't have garbage strewn all over the street. The hell is happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, that's good. When you think of New York, london and Chicago, you always think, oh, at least Chicago is classic.
Speaker 1:Yes, fucking sophisticated.
Speaker 2:Art Garbage is neat, thank you. Yeah. Well, that's. I think I think you speak for all of us there, boss, I do, yeah, so so he jumps off the roof lands in the dumpster. We're just like pause over this, waiting for him to emerge. He comes up like panting.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Brendan Hunt, by the way, did it all his own stunts on that Jumped into the dumpster. No, he didn't. No, he didn't, I'm like there's no fucking way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good Lord.
Speaker 1:Absolutely fucking not. I love Brendan Hunt, but absolutely not. Am I going to believe that?
Speaker 2:So we don't get a shot like a reaction shot of Darren the monster on top of the thing. We don't see him like oh you know, like we don't see him up top. What we see is beard huffing and puffing away and he's limping. He comes through this like sort of underground tunnel thing, runs across the street. Darren now comes running it like he's just. It's like. He says so much muscle he can barely like waddles. You know, he can barely move because of all the muscle.
Speaker 1:I'm going to date myself with a little Hans and Franz action is what he's got going.
Speaker 2:He does, that's exactly right. And beard crosses the street as a double-decker bus goes between them and, magically, coach beard is gone. Where is he boss?
Speaker 1:He is on the bus. I would like to. I'm apparently playing the role of. You know, I'm not going to coach Bishop today, so I would like to mention again the shot of the bus with the full moon in the background.
Speaker 2:That's correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, we cut into the interior of the bus and he is sitting on one of the seats like a panting fault onto the seat. Claps and shouts still got it.
Speaker 2:So, whatever it is which is so funny, what is the Roman. What is the Roman name for moon? Boss for the moon Is that a. Latin word Luna. Right, what you get. The term what boss Lunatic, there you go so, which is why everyone who is worships the moon or is up at night is tends to be a little crazy. Beard seems crazy to the old lady in the bus the only other person in the bus and she notices that he has done what or not done what boss.
Speaker 1:Oh, he hasn't tapped, she writes them out. I understand why this needs to happen for the plot, but if you see somebody get onto a bus without paying, or from a large retail store shoplifting, especially food items, any anything of that vein if you see that happen, no, you didn't. You didn't see shit and you don't say shit. That's my rule.
Speaker 2:Don't start non-womping on boss.
Speaker 1:If I see somebody shoplifting bread and cheese. No, I didn't, they just do what they need to do. I'm not, I'm not going to snitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no listen. I, you and I are in different camps about theft, but when we're talking about basics or fundamentals, when the the slited party is a nightmarish bureaucratic government organization or a multi-billionaire conglomerate, go right ahead, absolutely. The older woman is played by Gladys. I don't know her name is Gladys. She's played by Ninette Finch. I just point that out because I've never heard the name Ninette. I've always heard Nanette. Have you ever heard Ninette as a name?
Speaker 1:No, no, Nanette I like it a lot.
Speaker 2:I do like it, yeah, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1:One of my uncles for a long time dated a woman named Nanette, and I had never heard that name again until With an eye, with a gatsby's. No, no, no, no, I was just trying, I think it was Nanette.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe I'll ask, I'll find out. But yeah, then I didn't hear it again until the gatsby's standup special and I was like, oh, other people know that name Cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it seems like an old-timey name and Ninette somehow seems like it's francophile or francophized what's the word for someone making something French French? It just seems like it's a little more français than it. But it's played. This is Okay. So she rats him out. And what happens here?
Speaker 1:The bus stops and Driver says we're not going anywhere until you tap. And he's like, yeah, of course I'll tap. But then does the thing that you always do to indicate you have lost all of your important things he pats his chest and checks his jacket and then his pants, and then realizes these are not my pants, his phone, his wallet, his keys, presumably or not his keys. His keys he has, but his other items are back at the Redhead's apartment because he left them in his ripped trousers. And so, after noticing he doesn't have any of the things that he would need in order to tap, he looks over at Gladys and says excuse me, madam, because of course, what?
Speaker 2:else are you going to do in this?
Speaker 1:situation.
Speaker 2:She seems like she's.
Speaker 1:Totally ready to help.
Speaker 2:Totally willing Understandable which she says what they just thrown off the bus.
Speaker 1:And then she yells Piss off you fucking scrounger.
Speaker 2:Yep, we get another shot of the moon, making us all lunatics. He comes upon a hotel lobby. Now yeah, she yells piss off, you fucking scrounger. That's always good. He's standing on the side of the road, shot of the moon behind us. He walks away Now ends up at a hotel lobby. We have a host who says hello and asks if he's staying with them tonight. This is Kirkland. His name is the character. He's played by Alistair Green, and what does he say? The beard says what To the question of if he's staying with them.
Speaker 1:No, I am not. And he says well, have a good evening then, all right. Well, well then I have no use for you if you're not a guest, right?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's okay. Well, good day to you, sir. Very British. He says can I use the phone? He says the hotel phone is just for guests. He says can we use the host's personal phone? Now he makes it personal. It's interesting.
Speaker 2:Peter explains he lost his phone in his wallet and he's just trying to get back home. And then the host's excuse of being a trickster. Exactly what a trickster would say. And this is that's really so. Is this a commentary to you about trust? What is this? What is the point of adding this element into? He says what would you use in my personal phone, sir, I don't know, booking a cab, not falling for that, not trying to trick you? Exactly the trickster would say. Peter exhales and says I would just go through my own account. You know that's what's. You know. He just said I would just go through my own account. You know that's what starts as an at first, you book a cab. Next thing, I know you've geolinked my phone or your network and all of a sudden you and fake Melania have downloaded all my blank detail, my bank details, and you're using my identity to ship more poppy seeds to your own private islands. No, not tonight. I've been in the game. This game way too long.
Speaker 1:So actually, what I found amusing about that was the fake Melania. Ordinarily, if somebody started saying, well, you're going to use my phone to geolink me and then hack into my account, you think QAnon, you think like crazy right wing conspiracy theorists and you sometimes forget there are also crazy left wing conspiracy theory theorists. Now, to be fair to the left wing conspiracy theorists, sometimes they say things like the government opened a file on Martin Luther King Jr because they didn't trust him because of his actions, his activism to make racism in America slightly less horrible. And then it turns out oh yeah, the fucking government 100% did that. So I'm not pretending against conspiracy theories on both sides are the same.
Speaker 1:I will say there was definitely a thing on mine for a little bit, especially on Twitter, about fake Melania and how sometimes somebody who wasn't Melania would show up to do publicity or do appearances with Donald and they were like oh well, her hair looks a little bit longer than it was the day before and her nose looks a little bit off, and why is she wearing those giant sunglasses? She must be fake. It must be that Melania Trump hates her husband so much that she refuses to even go in public with him and therefore they have a fake Melania. It's not true. None of it was true. It was a lot of fun to joke around with, but none of it was true.
Speaker 1:So I like a little bit that there can be crazy people on both sides. I will say that the results of fake Melania gate were less bad than, say, pizza gate Again, not going to pretend that there's the same, but I do like that. The direction they chose to go in was this guy believes you're going to hack into his account and ship poppy seeds because of fake Melania, like I think it's. I think it's not necessarily about trust so much as just blatant paranoia and how that has been almost capitalized on in order to make money, in order for a personal gain, but the way that conspiracy theories are happening now.
Speaker 2:Yes, I totally think you're right. I would argue that this has been going on a long time and without a foothold, which I think what most people have lost. You don't know where you stand, you don't know where the lines are, you don't know what to be afraid of. Weirdly, it's not. You know, I promise you that in our, in our listening audience, which are very intelligent, wonderful people, there are still people who have theories, who would even theories that have been debunked, where you would think, no, no, no, I think that they're probably true. It's hard to know where to stand when you don't have a baseline. Yes, we would hope that everyone would step in towards the center a little bit more, not that the center is great, but but just that it'll keep you off the ledge.
Speaker 2:This gentleman in particular has a certain outlook on on the world and he's been in the game too long now. Beards is what game? Beards, like you know, it's a. It's a bummer that the world is so crazy that you can't just like borrow a phone and make a call like that. That's part of the frustration we're like, really Like. I'm not going to do any of that. You can hold the phone, I'll just I'll tell you what number it's like. It's just really frustrating that things have gotten so complicated and we're so. This is an Aldous Huxley sort of brave new world phenomenon where it's like I don't even know. The noise is so overwhelming and overpowering there's no way to know. You know, everyone thought it was going to be 1984. I'm not saying that it isn't in many ways, but the noise, the noise is so, you know, overwhelming and it's hard to know where you stand inside of it.
Speaker 1:So I will say that this scene in particular was very similar to the movie after hours, in that the protagonist I don't know if the character had a name or if he was just was the protagonist, but he's trying to take the subway home late at night, and it turns out that the fare prices were raised at midnight, and so he needs like an extra 25 cents to get onto the subway in order to go home.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And the guy the counter is like no, I'm not going to give that to you. What if I give that to you? And then you end up doing a crime because of it, and then I don't remember exactly how it went. But basically, like the guy working at the counter wouldn't let him slide for 25 cents, and it's like hey, dude, it's 25 cents. Even in 1980, it was still just 25 cents. Like could you?
Speaker 2:imagine maybe it was like five cents. It was like five cents.
Speaker 1:It's like could you, could you, could you help me out for a second? So I think that that might. Part of this is more about feeling isolated and the way that feeling isolated prevents you from being able to have consensus with a larger community. Like yeah, like if you weren't so crazy then you could let him have his phone, let you use your phone, and then, after he uses your phone and nothing bad happens, you could think oh well, actually it turns out it might not be that bad.
Speaker 2:But if you had this mindset, boss, you wouldn't. You'd be waiting for the other shoot.
Speaker 1:Yep, it's. I actually was reading something the other day about a teenage girl who convinced her grandma to stop subscribing or reading Q non. Shit like got her out of Q non by introducing her to BTS. Is that the Korean pop group?
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of them, but like BTS, BTS yeah.
Speaker 1:So it turns out that what the grandma was really interested in was the community and having a bunch of people who liked similar things and like being able to chat with people at any. So instead of crazy Q non bullshit, she was like hey, do you like Korean pop songs? And it turns out grandma did, and now she's done with Q non and super into Korean pop groups. So I do think that there's a lot to be said about making sure that if you give people the community that they need, they won't do crazy, terrible, horrible bullshit.
Speaker 2:I think you're right. I mean, that's actually, that's a proven part of the phenomenon. Is is just being part of something that understands. It understands you, makes you feel seen, it makes you feel like your perspective However stunningly reprehensible I might find it is is at least valid among peers, others who would think that your outlook is not from the dark ages. This gentleman continues you won't touch my phone. This is as beard is walking out. He's young, actually, boss. What I'm hearing is that this is an homage to after hours. This is like a straight up homage, as I asked right when we started why, why is this necessary? Why did we have the scene? And you're telling me, no, this happened and it's a version of what happened in the film. So maybe it's just that, maybe it's just no much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think that it also it does help with Beards own feeling of being isolated and unable to connect. But yeah, I remember watching the movie and thinking, oh, this is the hotel scene. Or the hotel scene is this I like the beard walks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that he walks out and just gives up. You won't touch my phone because in seconds you'll have my mother's maiden name, all my cryptocurrencies, not that.
Speaker 2:I have any. Next thing, you know, my hard drive is being confiscated by mf. I'll get that my five for illegal images that you've tricked me into downloading. You'll not make a fool of me, not you? Not a dead ringer for Jane Judy Jane. Not a dead ringer for Jane. Dame Judy Dench, that's a hard name to say. Dame Judy Dench, how dare you, sir, like he dares, say Dame Judy Dench to a man with a beard? I that is. That's. That's like pistols at dawn slight for my girl. Dame Judy Dench. Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1:Oh, everybody should. I just saw her the other day I don't know One of the websites telling a story about how she wanted to give Ben Wischta I think, maybe a call for his birthday, and that she grabs her phone and she doesn't want to do it. Very well, she remembers right before getting into the shower that she needs to send him a taxing happy birthday, and so she starts to, and then, all of a sudden, two faces pop up on the phone and she realized that she accidentally FaceTimed him completely naked, naked, 100% naked, and she was like oh, happy birthday.
Speaker 1:I guess I'll post it in the community site. It's fucking hilarious, it's great.
Speaker 2:Holy shit.
Speaker 1:Also, because Bishop is not here, I'll ask you to comment the background coloring of this scene as beard is leaving.
Speaker 2:Hey, not for nothing, but so orange, so orange everybody. Orange, green, little little green.
Speaker 1:Little, little green.
Speaker 2:Not anyone. Shame on you. So our beer continues. Finding himself walking down a long street. He's looking behind him as if he's being followed, looking for Darren the monster, apparently are stensibly. This is kind of fun, you know. It's again beautiful cinematography. It looks great. We have some like time cuts of him going down the street you know monkey, the monkeys kind of thing, where you know you blip. Further down the road he enters a dark brick alleyway and there's like a sort of a light at the end of this brick tunnel and these three figures of the apocalypse are approaching him. It's a spotlight shining like the sun. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't really understand exactly what that light would be in real life. Like living in a pretty populated city. That is not what street lights look like, but whatever it is, it is blinding. Until he gets close enough saying to the three gentlemen oh, you're going to save my life, I need some help getting home, would you be able to? And it's James Tart, senior, not not going to Tart.
Speaker 2:Senior. Well, look who it is. He says good to see you. Mr Tart, I apologize for earlier, which was when he smashed the dude out the door in after the man City game, right?
Speaker 1:I mean in his defense, that was not that harsh, that was not that big of a deal. Like you showed up to berate your son in front of all of his teammates after they had crushing loss they experienced. If beer sort of manhandled you out the door, I don't really think. I mean, like James Tart Senior is not a good person to begin with, but definitely he isn't able to process things in a way that could ever make himself look like the bad guy.
Speaker 1:But this seems pretty rough to like want to beat the shit out of a guy because he sent you on your way after you tried to start a fight with somebody.
Speaker 2:For sure, which is why we say, okay, we're in the rabbit hole, yes, there's no. I mean it's crazy. You know, it's like it's just, yeah, it's not, it doesn't line up. I'll tell you what, lads, why don't we teach coach here? And it's magic trousers, exactly. Wow, wow. I just heard a huge beep.
Speaker 1:Somebody's pissed or they're turning. It's one or the other. Either there's about to be an accident or somebody just needs you to know that they're coming out of an alley.
Speaker 2:I'm curious if we. This is it, this is you're in the city, this is part of it. This is how it goes, boss, it's fair. And this, magic trousers, is exactly what football is all about, because it doesn't happen on the pitch, it happens on the street. You get me? Yeah, it's a very hooligan way to approach everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that the the real event is in the stands or in the streets afterwards when you get arrested for beating the shit out of somebody.
Speaker 2:Nothing like unnecessary tribalism boss. So, we see beard. He's about to say something and just turns and jets out of there. They immediately give chase. Beard runs back to where he came, but now the door is locked. He's stuck. Three men approach him and now announcers show up to start to narrate it. Beards demise here and he is like what's he gonna do? He's gonna take this meeting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, and, to his credit, like he seems to do it as well as he can, he, he, he doesn't try to run again, he does turn to face them and put his fists, up to the point that it's sort of the similar mentality that I have, that if there needs to be a fight then we're gonna have a fight, like he's gonna get his ass kicked, but if there needs to be a fight then he's gonna have a fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yes, you're saying that there's a there's an inevitability to it. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1:Not just inevitability, but he isn't shying away from getting his ass kicked, but he he is embracing it fully. It is the if you have to go down, go down swinging type of mentality. Okay, got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, got it. Okay, these guys, Gary and Terry are talking. They're literally seated in the alley. Looks like Beards done for a dozen and Gary part of me thinks beard really want wanted to get beat up tonight? Absolutely, terry. Clearly he'd rather punish himself and accept the love and support of the people around him. I'm beginning to think coach beard hates himself. Shut up, Terry, henry, yes, and then boom, he gets whacked in the face.
Speaker 1:And I'm almost positive that I mentioned this in the first episode. But I need to say again I like so much the way that they do it with the announcers Because it when you have self doubts, the way it seems like beard does, when he has areas of insecurity and maybe he hates himself he's not entirely sure it isn't only so much what you think about yourself but what you're afraid other people might think about you. So I really like that. The actual words coach beard hates himself come from Terry Henry. And then beard is shouting shut up, terry Henry. Like yeah, it's, it's exactly right, you don't necessarily hate yourself, but you're afraid that you hate yourself and you're afraid that other people would see that you hate yourself. And so the shut up Terry Henry is is not even too beard, it's the imaginary beard voice that beard thinks other people might be saying about him.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, exactly right. When he takes his first shot to the face, he we get Blue Moon sung by Marcus Mumford. And now we try not to be binary on the show, boss. But is beard a lover or a fighter?
Speaker 1:We don't know for sure that he's a lover. We know he's not a fighter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not a particularly great fighter. He falls to the ground, tries to fight back, but he's terrible at it Dropping his keys again. He's still not defeated. He gets up and tries to tackle the elder statesman, james Tartt senior. He starts yelling. Tartt starts yelling. That beard is nothing, you're nothing, mm-hmm, so it's fun. I mean to have that be. Yell that you in Mali, it's good. Well, your ass, whoops.
Speaker 1:I think that, in the same way that Beard is putting words, he's thinking into Thierry Henry's mouth, tart is saying to other people what he thinks about himself. He thinks he is nothing, but by shouting it at somebody else you get to feel powerful. And I am something because I am identifying that you are nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, this is exactly right. Exactly what's happening. He's kicking on the ground. This is again we said three people it's James Tart senior, it's Bug and then Denbo the two lackeys of James Tart senior. They kick him when he's on the ground. He gets up. Tell him to stay down first of all. Stay down, otherwise we're forced to beat you up again. It's such a dude thing, but no matter really great. I think what we established earlier that you know white male rage, slash anxiety is only good things have come from it my favorite things, my favorite things to worry about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this is Beard. Beard manages to get to his feet. Fellas have what we call this a draw. He punches one of the guys screwing the nose not James Tart, I think it's Bug. And then they yeah, and then they, the Denbo dude puts him in a full. Nelson hands up and James Tart grabs a metal pipe. I don't know where he gets a metal pipe, but it's a fever dream and he is going to take this from JV diversity.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:This. This is where it gets more American history acts. It's like before it was a beat down and now it's like oh shit, somebody's going to jail for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, right, right. When we say, oh, that's going to leave a mark, we're talking about like On a paper in the morgue that says that here got killed. It's on a toe tag. Um, uh, he had to push it, didn't you say good night, son? And then bam, what happens, boss.
Speaker 1:Oh, Tart goes down.
Speaker 2:Oh, the wind, the moon his own incompetence.
Speaker 1:No, it's Darren. Uh, Darren is apparently back from not the dead, but back from many buses ago at least. Uh. And Beards says oh, come on, man, like he, just he can't. He can't do it right now either. And Darren hands him his wallet and phone and says I've been trying to find you.
Speaker 2:Hands him his wallet and phone. This is my favorite. I love this so much. This is part of the episode. Um yeah, oh, that's nice. Uh, then we cut to them walking back. Darren apologizes for losing his temper. Boss Mary explained what happened. Who's Mary?
Speaker 1:Mary's the redhead. Of course, her name is Mary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great Virgin Mary, um well, also Mary Magdalene who I would like to.
Speaker 1:I would like everyone to know that in the earliest translations it was, uh, she was a woman of independent means. It later became a story that she was a prostitute, even if she was a sex worker. There's nothing wrong with that. But the whole, uh, virgin horror thing gets very well, uh, encapsulated with just the name Mary.
Speaker 2:So for absolutely no question. Uh, you know who benefits from that Women. Women have like over the years.
Speaker 1:You could be both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could be either no, actually no, sorry about that. Yeah, no, I can't.
Speaker 1:You know, no, you can't.
Speaker 2:But you know, you can be the one we don't want you to be.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean, sometimes it depends, especially when you want your wife to be the virgin. So then you just need to uh bang, uh out everything else that you want to do with other people Right, that's keeping her safe. Until she's yours, then then you want to be yeah, this is why we need. Bishop here, because we just keep a sarcastic off going and eventually cast a lead to some sort of punchline, but instead we're both just Chandler being it over here left and right.
Speaker 2:So it's well, here's the thing, coach, is not very funny so no. I noticed Like we don't really need, Just did it again.
Speaker 1:We literally just did it again Just like an appendage.
Speaker 2:You know he's an ancillary feature of the show, but not necessary, he's not. He's not like a main main feature. So Mary explained what happened. The truth is I have a little baby. I love this guy's voice, Love his face, Love everything about him. Um, it's made me realize how precious she is to me and the thought that she was cheating on me was just too much. But I also realized that maybe I'm more paranoid than most when it comes to that, Because I used to cheat in the past, but I've really worked on it and I'm in a really good place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, good job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, cheers. Anyway, I just wanted to give your stuff back.
Speaker 1:I mean I, I, I still do not think that it was okay for him to lose this temper. The way that he did and chase beard around the apartment, and also Mary should have stepped up a little bit more. Like that level of jealousy is still outrageously terrible. But he has enough insight to, as soon as possible, come to a senses and try to make it better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and we have the the benefit of an untrustworthy narrator in this, in this, like right, right, but we can't take everything measured in the increments. That Beards, mind is, is doling it out to us, right.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely Like if this needed to be the plot point that would move his story along, get him back to Jane and where he belongs and everything else. Then, yes, we can believe that a crazy muscle man would chase him around an apartment. It is one of the episodes where, the less realism they have, I actually enjoy it more, so I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2:So Darren says Mary's going to keep your trousers, though Kind of her thing is. Well, beards says that it's kind of her thing, but you can keep the magic trousers. He's like, hey, they look good on you. To which Beards says I know. And then Darren says apologize for the shit game. Yeah, it's not even a Richmond family Mom. Yeah, that was tough to watch.
Speaker 1:Unlucky.
Speaker 2:Unlucky. Yeah, probably what Beard wanted to hear at this at this moment, just to remember how we got ourselves into this morass in the first place. Boss, and gives Beard his keys back that he dropped and that's it. Get back on a scooter and tell Beard On his fucking scooter.
Speaker 1:I mean, what a juxtaposition of old school and new school masculinity that you would be so paranoid about your pregnant girlfriend cheating that you would have to try to beat up another man and then hop away on a little scooter.
Speaker 2:And for those not watching or those who have forgotten, it's a push foot kid scooter, not like a motor scooter.
Speaker 1:This is like a razor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, razor scooter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, Like a skateboard with a handle on it the coolest kind of skateboard, obviously, right, yes, the one that Tony Hawk writes Right.
Speaker 2:So it tells him to be lucky and we get alone again. Naturally by, gilbert O'Sullivan starts playing. Beard has 52 unread messages from Jane and 72 missed calls. Walk us through this please, boss. She was trying to get ahold of them.
Speaker 1:I don't understand what you mean by walk us through Like that's a normal amount, is it?
Speaker 2:not See, boss, that's a bit much in a quote unquote normie relationship. It's a wee bit over, Just a smidge over the top.
Speaker 1:A little bit. I will say that pretty early on in our relationship I got drunk one night when I was out with some friends and I wanted to see if the boyfriend could or would meet up with us.
Speaker 1:I was trying to get ahold of them and I called every five minutes for maybe two hours. I wasn't angry, I was just like, oh, maybe it's time now. Maybe four minutes later the answer will be different. And I'm pretty sure I did call him like 24 times in one night. And then when I woke up the next morning my friend was like, oh no, are you feeling a little embarrassed? And I was like, well, if he'd answered it the first time, I wouldn't have needed to call him 24 times. So like this really sounds like it's on him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Good reasoning boss, this is his fault. You just needed to answer once and then it would have stopped.
Speaker 2:I don't see what the problem is. If he needs like support or rescuing, just make sure he has my number.
Speaker 1:Listen, you say that, but like he picked me, I just am this way. I don't know how to change it, forget it.
Speaker 2:I don't want to rescue him.
Speaker 1:He decided on this.
Speaker 2:You know, that's it who's dumber the dummy or the person that's in love with the dummy? I don't know, I don't get it yeah man.
Speaker 1:But no, what she says is basically is she goes back and forth. She, god bless her, he, jane beard, loves her so much, but she goes back and forth. The last ones are stuff about how don't come crawling back to me, you're dead to me, literally dead. I hope you're lying down in a ditch somewhere in a fucking squirrel's eating you from the feet up until all that's left of you is that stupid fucking beard and nothing else. And then in the next one she's like I was embarrassed, I didn't want you to meet my mom, not because I'm embarrassed of her, but because I'm embarrassed of you. And then a few more up there she says I do love you. All right, fine, sorry, I love you, I love you. I'm saying I love you.
Speaker 1:So, like, whatever it was that she was processing through, it went from fine, I love you, we're in love. Call me back. Why are you fucking calling me? I fucking hate you. You're dead to me. I really hope you're not actually dead. I think one of them at the very end is like I am willing to acknowledge that maybe you're not calling me back because your phone is dead. And it's like yeah, jane, hey, did you think about that? Because it is at the time that he is reading these 1254 in the morning, so his phone could be dead or he could be asleep, or it could just be any number of reasons why he can't respond to your 72 phone calls.
Speaker 2:So these emails are I mean, these texts are crazy Unhinged. She goes back ping-pongs between the wildest range of positions, from hatred and to other people are hitting on me tonight. I just kissed a guy very like then I hope maybe you've been hit by a train. Whatever, it's unhinged from a standard perspective. He says that finally he sees that she loves him. He goes to call her while saying I love you too, but what happens to us?
Speaker 1:Oh, his phone does die. It turns out that it's a very reasonable thing to happen that early in the morning or that late at night your phone just dies and then he can't call her to tell her that he loves her.
Speaker 2:Okay. And so he's screaming no, no, no, no, no, no. It turns into sobbing and yelling. He does this sort of pouty dance. We cut to a beard, walking in front of a giant, a bunch of giant TVs in the town square, which are we playing and falling down over and over again. And then what boss?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so after the TV is showing him falling all over.
Speaker 2:London Like a lot of Times Square kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and then London has a Times Square minus. I'm guessing a lot of the knockoff superheroes. I don't imagine they have those. But, as he's walking down the street, a limo pulls over. And finally, a tiny bit of good news it is PB and J using some of their winnings from the evening to get champagne and a limo to drive them home, and they just so happen to be able to pick up beers and drive them back to its place.
Speaker 2:And so we're meant to believe that these guys totally snuckered the Oxford boys right. This is where they got the money they have totally.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're much better at pool than yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's fine, that's fine and somehow managed to rent a limo at midnight, just spur of the moment. There are times in some places I can't find calves at midnight, but somehow they managed to rent a limo and a driver. It is a fever dream.
Speaker 2:We got posh and broadpipe by Sir Mixalot is blasting while they're in the limo.
Speaker 1:We got a limo and so yeah, so everything's good, and as soon as they shout tonight is never going to end. Where are we two next? And Beard says take me home, he's done.
Speaker 2:Right. He's fucking finished and just wants to go home. Right Right, so right. He says he gives them an address and he says Jeremy, thanks for a wicked night. He says, okay, go to this address and when he get there tell Renee that Beard said it was okay and thanks him one more time for the ride. And as they drive off, paul does what.
Speaker 1:Shoves this out of the window and sings directly into Beard's face.
Speaker 2:The Coronado ad. He's referencing a Coronado ad which I was like, oh, is that a? Is that a? And you're right, homage, I don't know. Is that a? Is that a? You know the Coronado trilogy, yeah. I don't know, I don't know if it's a, if it's a thing, that's. That's Sean of the Dead Hot Fuzz, which is my favorite of the three, and End of the World, I think. End of the World, yeah, yeah, isn't it I'll check the pub.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the last one was a pub crawl one, I forget. I only seen it once, but I think they call that the Coronado trilogy. It doesn't matter, it's probably not that, but as an American, anytime you have a Coronado sort of reference, I think that Beard goes to open his door. Go ahead, boss. Did you find it World's End? The World's End, yeah, that's it. Right, that's it.
Speaker 1:The keys break the keys he's been having trouble with all night. The lock that he had trouble with it breaks off into in his hand. He can't get in and then it starts thunderstorming Huge downpour right away.
Speaker 2:Right, and this is this is torture, if you're rooting for him to be at the end because it's like, oh, he's at the finish line.
Speaker 1:He's at his house. He's there, he's at his house.
Speaker 2:The safety is right past this final barrier. Yeah, but he can't get to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what this teaches you. You know the lesson to take away from this.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Leave your backdoor unlocked all of the time, always. It's the safest, smartest way of doing things.
Speaker 2:So scary, so scary, yeah, no, that's. That's pearls of wisdom, boss, thank you. He goes to start pouring and he takes off, I'm guessing looking for shelter, right? Or something he just takes off and we see him run by what?
Speaker 1:A purple illuminated cross.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a neon purple cross.
Speaker 1:One that is supposed to look similar to one that he has seen earlier in the episode.
Speaker 2:Right, and it's on a chapel. He ducks into the chapel, doubles back and notices the cross, goes into the chapel, walks around the seemingly empty church, walks around up to the altar and looks at it, then takes off his hat and goes to sit down, all right. So if you look up at the altar, he's sitting there. We get a reference to Judy Bloom's 1970 novel Are there God? It's me, margaret. Are there God? It's me, margaret's little boy. Yes. And Long time list their first-time caller yes go ahead, boss.
Speaker 1:Well, I can't remember where I read slash heard it, but Brendan Hunt's real-life mom, who has passed away, was named Peggy, so he said in his AMA that he actually threw that in one of the takes that they did. Are there God? It's me, margaret's little boy, and they kept it in in part because he is Margaret's little boy. Brendan Hunt and Beard, both Margaret's little boy, which is an incredibly sweet thing as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2:What did I just miss? I thought you said his mom's name was Peggy.
Speaker 1:Peggy is short for Margaret.
Speaker 2:Oh, it is, yeah, oh, my God, yeah, wait, how, how.
Speaker 1:I don't know. The same way that Dick is short for Richard, like some sort of strange Peggy, peggy is short for Margaret Peggy is short for Margaret had I never.
Speaker 2:I have never heard that. Okay, jesus, yeah, I'm thinking about all the Peggy characters, like Mad Men Peggy or her name is Margaret.
Speaker 1:Her name was Margaret. Her full name was Margaret, because I think, like Peggy by itself isn't just the name and there isn't a Peg Trisha, you're right, yeah, right right.
Speaker 2:Peg Trisha there is. There is a Peg Trisha. This is my daughter. This is my little girl, peg Trit. We've named her Peg Trisha. You're right, peggy. How do I not know? I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Peggy is short for yeah, amazing, amazing what we learned. Okay, that's quite lovely, boss, long time listener, first time caller. She's not a big prayer we're establishing. I know you're probably busy because you got bigger fish to multiply and then fry. Very clever, which is a biblical reference to multiplicative effective Bread's, loaves and fish, and then breads and loaves are the same thing, but you have wine, you have loaves and you have fish and then fry fish, bigger fish to fry, as you do. But there's this girl, there's this woman, jane. Last name Payne. How do you spell that, boss?
Speaker 1:P-A-Y-N-E.
Speaker 2:You probably knew that. But if you wanted to look her up which I cracked me up, and I care for her deeply no, you probably know, yeah, and I care for her deeply Could have been with her tonight, but I ended up with you and I'm under no illusions that she could solve what ails me, which is fascinating, but when I'm with her, the world just feels more interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I feel like I need to point out that when he says I could have been with her tonight, but I ended up with you, that is not he is angry at God, that he is with God and not with Jane. He has not had. This is not a like oh, but I spent my time here and said, no, I've been with you.
Speaker 2:Also some people might call him a blasphemer for that boss.
Speaker 1:I would call him right, but that's me. I might also be a bit of a blasphemer myself. Yeah, I'm under no illusions she could solve what ails me, but when I'm with her, the world just feels more interesting. I wrote about this. I think maybe it was at the gist so I can. I'll put it back up again, but I fucking love it. I love it so much. I think both of those lines are amazing. I like them so much. I think they're great. I think when I'm with her, the world just feels more interesting.
Speaker 1:One of the things that I wrote about is that and I've mentioned before some of my favorite characters are the weirdo loners who have a hard time connecting with other people. A Sherlock or Abed Nadir or Gretchen Cutler on You're the Worst, and that not being able to connect to people means that Beard spends a lot of time trying to connect to things or spending his time with things. He reads a lot, he knows a bunch of shit, he has 17 axes, he is very knowledgeable, but it doesn't seem like any of those are close connections with people. Right, and so meeting Jane, except Ted. So Ted, yes. What I believe still about the relationship is that Ted and Beard really deeply care about each other, but Ted doesn't exactly get Beard Not exactly. So I know I talk about community a lot. One of the best episodes and I just re-watched it the other day is I'm going to have to look up the real name it's a hot lava episode. Okay.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Troy and Abed, who love each other so so much, who are extremely good friends and like, want to take care of each other and want to be good to each other. At one point Troy says to somebody else you don't get it. Nobody gets Abed. I got him a little and it breaks my heart a little bit every time I hear it, because their relationship was so impactful and so important for the two of them and Troy knows like Abed is on some shit that I can't even get to Like I get him a little bit and that means that we love each other. And so I think that Ted and Beard Ted gets Beard a little bit, but I don't think that Ted actually connects with Beard the way that it seems like Jane does.
Speaker 2:Oh, for certainly not yes.
Speaker 1:Certainly not, and so I think like that was.
Speaker 2:that was geothermal escapism.
Speaker 1:Geothermal escapism. That's what I can remember with the escapism part. Yes, oh my God, that's a good episode. If you don't watch any of Community, just go ahead and watch that one. It's so fucking amazing. I love it so goddamn much.
Speaker 1:But it feels to me like especially when Beard says I'm under an illusion that she'll solve what ails me. It isn't about her fixing him. It's more about her opening up an entire world of stuff that he didn't previously have access to. Like the world is more interesting, yeah, and I think we're going to find out a little bit more in the next few scenes. But when all you have are things to take up your time and keep you amused or interested or whatever else, and you find somebody who you really like and then they give you a bunch more shit to be amused and interested in, like, the fact that he says she makes the world more interesting is, in my opinion, the highest compliment Beard could give to a person. Like she makes things seem better. Like.
Speaker 1:I know that maybe they do some shit later with Jane and Beard and I don't like all the decisions they make, but this is one of my favorite things that anybody has ever said about a romantic partner that she makes things more interesting. She expands his world, and when he has already spent all of his life just figuring out how to expand his own world, because nobody else understands him, and she's like hey, here's all this shit that I think you'll like. And then he does. Like all of that shit, like, of course he's going to be in love with her. She's fucking amazing to him. But she might be a crazy asshole, but she's also fucking amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes, especially for his. For what?
Speaker 1:he's into what he makes him tick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. I'm uncomfortable with you being this, with you gushing this much about Ted Lasse.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:I know, we haven't done this since the heyday of season one, boss.
Speaker 1:It's true, this is this like all of. Overall. Of course, the series was extremely well done, extremely important to a lot of people, very funny all the way through. This did feel like one of the last times where I was like this is the best shit on TV, yeah. So yeah, this is, this is the last gushy episode, and then I don't have to say gushy anymore, which is good, because it's creeping me out even beard.
Speaker 2:Here's the Romney music coming from somewhere. While he's in that moment we we see him like wondering. Then we cut to Paul Vaz and Jeremy. They're looking for the address. We found. They found the door. They knock on it. There's a deep voice. Man Put him in, malcolm Rennie. Baz asked if he's Rennie. He asked. He says who's asking? He's a scary looking guy. Baz says Coach Beard sent them. Jeremy has a note. Rennie talks into a phone and says turn them on.
Speaker 1:Wait, is it Rennie or Rennie?
Speaker 2:Oh, rennie, is it Rennie?
Speaker 1:I think it's Rennie. I mean, I don't know, maybe Rennie is a Rennie. I don't know what the Brits are doing. I'll check with some of them.
Speaker 2:Are you Rennie? Yeah, you're right, it's. Rennie is the gentleman's last name, oh so they tricked you on purpose. Yeah, his name is Rennie. Yes, you're right, rennie lets the voice in. Yeah, okay, it's terrifying, he's terrifying. They walk down a long corridor with their phone flashlights out. They reach the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 1:Well, sorry, wait before that. He says turn them on, and then he says walk this way. Oh yes, Right. Which must be a young Frankenstein reference. It cannot not be a young Frankenstein reference.
Speaker 2:It has to be. Yes, Absolutely right. But it's like a, you know, carved out of stone, you know barely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is like the secret tunnels that they would, you know, traffic people through. This is like shit. What do they call it on? Rick and Morty, jfk something or other tunnels? I'll look that up too. It doesn't matter. But yeah, no, this is, this is. This is a scary place to be, with a scary man who has a scary voice.
Speaker 2:And at the at the. At the end of this traumatic journey through the underground, where do they end up?
Speaker 1:Nelson Road.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They are on the field, beautiful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the lights are on, which I don't. My understanding is that the lights would not just switch on that quickly, but we can let that slide. I believe that they don't switch on they have to warm up.
Speaker 2:But but hey listen, this is a fever dream, this is a homage to Field of Dreams. Is this Heaven, jeremy asked. No, it's Nelson Road.
Speaker 1:Yes, lot of lot of white dudes, favorite movies being referenced in this scene.
Speaker 2:Amen, we got the we are the champions by Queen plays. One of Freddie Mercury's favorite things was flipping straights. The boys run onto the, onto the field and they have. You know, there's a slow mo show of them having the greatest time of their lives, waving their crowds. It is remarkable the impact that these three actors have had on the show. How much we love them, how much we root for them in this moment. How they are the every man, how they speak for everyone, how they are the great chorus and how, for the first time in the show's history, they are front and center. No Ted, no beard. No Danny Rojas. No Keely, no Rebellion, no Rebekah. It's just three knuckleheads. You know having a loan on the field that they cherish more than anyone really. You know it's their, it's their team. We're just borrowing it from them. It's. It's pretty great. Now we come back to beard and what is happening with him.
Speaker 1:He is following the music down a hallway, he pushes back some curtains and discovers basically a church themed rave. There are a lot of the neon crosses. The song is Hello the Club, edit by Martin Svalvig, featuring Dragonet Svalvig. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. I have listened to it enough times. Now. If you just go to YouTube and Google beard hello, for some reason it's it will not. For some reason. For this reason it comes up. It's great, yeah.
Speaker 1:So beard wanders out onto the dance floor and once the beat drops, starts dancing himself. Here is where I need to mention that on a podcast actually the second time that he was on Brett Goldstein's podcast films to be varied with he mentioned that he was not dancing as well as he could have in the scene because he had been running for some of the earlier scenes all that day. He was tired and couldn't do it. So he says that his dancing is not good and it I'm pained to know that there's a version of this where he isn't dancing as well as he could be. I think it's great. I love it. I love the dancing. He is fully rocking out and when he turns around, jane is standing there with a hula hoop to give to him and says try this.
Speaker 2:And this is like you talk about fever dream. This is crazy. He's crazy, crazy, pain stuff. And then he takes the hula hoop and he starts dancing with it. You know, whatever he's up on, he sort of is featured dancing with it. We do a quiff cut to Terry Henry and Gary Lenaker, who are like point Adam, like you the man, and a little trickly cutter, or it's not even trickly cutter, it's like a little interstitial, where he says they do food, gary says they do food here, terry says for me they do.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Gary tries to eat some of Terry's food and he waves and pushes it away.
Speaker 1:Now we get beard.
Speaker 2:And Jane on the dance now it's like the proverbial meeting of them on the dance floor Right.
Speaker 1:Yes, now they're back together. I also just in case I'm sure that I've mentioned it before, but because it bears repeating in no small part was Brendan Hunt given a hula hoop in this scene in order to show off his hula hooping skills, because he wrote, directed and starred in a play about grown up peanuts where he played pig pen with the dirt being represented by him hula hooping wearing nothing but socks. He did hula hoop with his dong out Like this was a thing that he did in real life years ago. Oh really, have I not talked about this?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:He did a play. He wrote and starred in a play. I think he directed it too. I can't remember what it's called right now, but it was about grown up peanuts the peanuts characters. He played pig pen. He hula hoops naked on stage. He wore shoes and socks and literally nothing else. It was his penis while he was hula hooping, which has to be one of the funniest, grossest things I can imagine seeing in the world. Like if penis is in hula hoops usually shouldn't go together like that. Somehow it must have worked. When I mentioned this to my younger brother, his response was he must have a massive dick. I was like well, I think I would imagine. So I don't think you're going to get up there with the tiny dick and do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's just BDE.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, it is.
Speaker 2:God love him. The world needs naked hula hoopers, boss. I don't thank you for the visual.
Speaker 1:No, that's your fault. That's on you. I made the visual very clear. If you don't appreciate it, that's your own doing.
Speaker 2:Will you walk us through now the moment with Beard and Jane, because it feels like we have been trying to get here at all costs and somehow, magically, jane is here.
Speaker 1:Well. So this is actually the only thing. I don't know if it's somehow magically, I think Beard obviously picked up on the fact that the cross was familiar to him and went into the church where that cross was, even if he didn't remember explicitly. This is the picture that Jane took where she says I'm atoning for my sins. He has seen that neon cross tonight, so, seeing it again, he would go in. I would say also, probably if Jane realized that there was an underground church brave happening a couple blocks from Beard's place and they were fighting and she was trying to get back at him, yes, of course she's going to go to that rave. She's going to say I'm down the street from you, I know we're fighting, come hang out. I don't think it's coincidental that she picked that place to go or that he noticed it and decided to go in.
Speaker 2:But, however, the fact that they end up together is a storybook ending oh yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So basically they just dance and stare at each other and he has a beautiful face and they're very, very much in love. They keep dancing and apparently he has a beautiful face. Oh yes.
Speaker 2:I'm sure she's lovely. She's very attractive.
Speaker 1:That's fine. I'm not here for Jane.
Speaker 2:Sorry, kind of biased. Yeah, very much so, and some this up for us. The final moment with them is what?
Speaker 1:They're back in love. She said she's in love. He wants her to be in love. They're in love. She makes things more interesting.
Speaker 2:Okay, they're good now. Now the song ends and we are on the pitch. The next morning, the sun. It feels bright compared to the fact that we've had the entire episode in the dark in the minds of Moria. We got Ted, roy and Nate are all in the office waiting on Beard. Roy says where the fuck is he? Nate says he's not coming. He'll go get the coffees. Remember, ted had reminded Beard that hey, just just remember you're trying to get coffees right.
Speaker 1:Not that kind of bird Right.
Speaker 2:Ted tells him to wait. Right, exactly, bird by bird. Coach Beard always comes. He's like the mailman how old is, delivers and looks great in those shorts. And then who walks in?
Speaker 1:Beard Morning fellas. Then he's got the coffee. He even has the correct order.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's the order?
Speaker 1:Peppermint latte white flat, I think.
Speaker 2:Flat white, flat white, there we go.
Speaker 1:White flat is what I was called in high school.
Speaker 2:What's seriously? Try the fish.
Speaker 1:And then Ted says you're all right, sort of points at the bruise and he's like oh yeah, I must have fallen off the bed. No, you fell off the bed. Yes, of course. That's why it looks like three grown men beat the shit out of you. Because you fell off the bed. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's fine, he doesn't need to get into it.
Speaker 2:This is where I would argue that he reckoned and sort of to back up your point that nobody really knows Beard Like Ted, gets him on a certain level and say, okay, this is what I'm going to get from him. Yes, you know.
Speaker 1:I don't want to make it sound like I don't think that that is a valuable or important relationship. I have friends who know exactly the right level with which to comfort or reassure me. If they go too far, then I think that they're being not condescending. But I'm like, well, I'm not that weak. Like come on, give me a little bit of credit. I need you to tell me it's okay. I don't need you to tell me that everything is going to be wonderful for the rest of my life. So I think that having a relationship where Ted gets him enough to ask about it but to not push, isn't bad. I don't think it's a bad relationship. I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think that it is an understanding of how their relationship functions that Ted knows there are going to be some things that are off limits to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think I'm right, and that's a good boundary and it's respectful and right. They understand each other and so Ted lets it go. It slept a little late. Must have fallen off the bed, yeah that's a thing, right, right, nobody buys it.
Speaker 2:but whatever Ted says, all right. Should we watch the footage? Now remember, they're coming off a loss so brutal that Beard had to go on an acid trip to accommodate, just to barely get through it. And Ted says this is how we get better. Everyone's very reluctant. This is how we get better, all right, fine, because sometimes everyone's at once in a blue moon. There's a game so awful, so dog shit haunting. A catastrophe of ever effort proportions. The guys say that the only way to watch it back is at 10 times the speed and with the Benny Hill theme song, the music playing under it here we go.
Speaker 2:And the song is Yackity Sax and they all start laughing and everyone's like fucking hell, which is hysterical. Ted is smiling. It is that bad of a loss. Beard is not watching because he is destroyed from the night, but he did make it in time with his coffees and showed up the way he's supposed to, kicks his beautiful pants up onto the desk. He kicks his feet on the desk, drops his cap and starts to sleep as the other ones watch the disaster of the man City game. We pull back slowly and zoom out. It's not zooming out, it's just pulling back through the window into the locker room as the universal by blur starts playing and we are blissfully out.
Speaker 1:And I would just like to point out the game that happens every once in a blue moon. Because Bishop is not here, we will throw in one more issue of symbolism that once in a blue moon there is a game. That that's absolute dog shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we saw that is a continuation of the imagery and all intentional and a fitting Button on what you and I both feel was an astoundingly good headlaster episode. Yes, because we don't need all the sappy shit the coach likes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fucking feelings. Come on Talking about being nice Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who does that? Who's nice boss in the stainage?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Merry Christmas Bye.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for thanks, thanks for suffering through this without coach today. Everybody. He is the heart and soul of the operation and we were glad to get this far without him, because if he were here, God knows, this would have been a 17 part episode. Boss, where do people find you when they hate themselves? Oh well, when they hate themselves, they're like I don't know. When they hate themselves.
Speaker 1:Oh well, when they hate themselves on Twitter, when you don't hit yourself so much on Blue Sky, I don't post on Twitter anymore, but you can still reach me there. You could either just tweet at me or DM me. I'm mostly posting on Blue Sky. Both places is dumbly underscore chambers. Also, I eventually New Year's resolution, I promise writing at the antagonist, which is antagonist, blogcom and in the community site, which I need to get more into. I have posted a few things about the national songs and also a goofy movie which if you haven't watched that, we should really do that one too. It's fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we should. We'll think about that. Thanks everyone for joining us for this exploration of the end of Beard After Hours. We'll be back next time with season two, episode 10, no Weddings in a Funeral. Remember that one, boss, I do.
Speaker 1:That all in chestnut.
Speaker 2:Super chipper, thanks to everyone, thank you for supporting us, thank you for supporting your local libraries and the written word, and until next time, boss, you're going to have to see if you can mess this up on your own. Until next time, we are.
Speaker 1:Richway till we die.
Speaker 2:I wish you guys could see the shit eating grin on Boss. That actually made my day. God, you're the worst. You're the worst, the truly the absolute worst I know. Thank you everyone. Thanks for being with us. We'll see you next time.