The Fitness Coach Who Suffered from Bulimia for 30 Years | Scott Harrison

The fitness coach who spent 30 years hiding the secret that started it all.

Scott Harrison built one of the world's biggest online fitness programmes - 77 countries, tens of thousands of participants, a 100% success rate across chronic illness. But behind the results was a man who had been badly bullied at 13, carried an eating disorder through marriage and fatherhood, went through divorce, and lost a son. In this episode he strips it all back: where the darkness came from, how long he carried it, and why he wouldn't change any of it.

We also get into the fitness myths Scott has spent eight years dismantling. Why calorie deficit is the wrong focus, how you can party twice a week and still keep your results, what food actually does to your hormones, and what it really took to turn Rylan Clark from a malnourished nine stone into the person he became. One of the most honest conversations we've had on Stripping Off.

Chapters
0:00 - Coming Up
0:05 - Intro
0:48 - A Life Changer in Fitness, Nutrition & Mindset
2:37 - The Six Pack Revolution Programme
4:06 - Why Calorie Deficit Is the Wrong Approach
6:07 - How to Get Drunk AND Have a Six Pack!
7:02 - Extreme Fat Loss Results. 100% Success Rate
10:10 - What Is the Biggest Obstacle to Starting?
12:45 - How Food Rebalances Your Hormones
15:44 - Bulimia
18:44 - Martial Arts, Discipline and the Ripple Effect
22:02 - Fitness Myths Debunked
28:25 - Training Rylan Clark and Elite Athletes
29:10 - Inside the Six Pack Revolution
31:25 - Final Thoughts

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Transcript

Dark Places And A Bold Welcome

SPEAKER_01 0:00

A dark place is a dark place sometimes, and trust me, when someone peas in you, it's pretty dark.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Guys, Matt Haycock's here, and welcome to another episode of Stripping Off with Matt Haycock's, where I strip down my guests, metaphorically speaking, of course, although we have with me a fitness trainer, um a uh a fitness guru, uh a nutrition expert, a karate, a karate expert, businessman, motivational expert. So I'm sure if we do strip you down, not metaphorically, you'll have a bustling six-pack under there to see. I've got with me Scott Harrison, and we were talking just before we started the record. And Scott said to me uh that he changes people's lives through fitness, nutrition, and mindset. So welcome to the show, Scott. Thank you for having me. We're looking forward to

From Bloated Dad To Coach

SPEAKER_00 0:48

it as well. So listen, I I guess just set the scene and tell us what qualifies you to uh to be that life changer through those three things.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Okay, so I um back in 2015, I was picking my kids up from school on a rare occasion, and I was looking at all the parents, and they were overweight and some obese, some were uh poisoned. You could tell that they'd been bloated and poisoned drinking and stuff, and and the little kids were running out to their role models, and I thought to myself, well, that doesn't look too good, does it? And then I realized I was one of them. So that day I decided my New Year's resolution in the January was going to be to get a six-pack.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Were you were bloated and stuff yourself, or just not have a block?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

I didn't look like this at all. And um I I just decided to block it on Facebook. And uh 36 others wanted to join me, and I said, I'm not messing around here. I was really strict. I managed to sort of like find that I had this flair for keeping people on track. We did it was a 90 days back then, and it was called the Scots Too Hot 90 days six-pack challenge. It was just a block, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Um you had no qualifications at this point in personal training or anything like that? You were just drumming.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Apart from the karate instructor. Okay. Um no, not really. Jump forward a little bit here. Um, we are now um a huge operation because it turned into a business when I found out I had this flair. My wife's nutritionist as well. She specializes in the application of nutrition to physical activity. So sorry, just to go on. I've got also got a team that sit behind me of a doctor, a doctor of chiropractic, a doctor of biochemistry, um, a psychologist, and a psychotherapist. Um, I also have a level three psychology diploma, just about to start my degree myself. Um, so we've got like a very world-class team that I sit in front of. And um, yeah, we now have participants in 77 countries with tens of thousands all over the world every year changing their lives.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

And when you say participants in 78 countries, do you say these are people doing a 90-day challenge or or the or these are people taking a whole fitness course from you or a whole thing?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Well, no, this is a we we run six programs a year. There's 75 days each, and it's an online fitness, nutrition, and mindset program. We tell everyone what to eat every day, what to drink every day, how to think every day. We've also got a very big community of about each group has got about 100 odd people

Building A Global Transformation Program

SPEAKER_01 3:02

in. And in that group, you've got two assistant coaches, a coach, a senior coach, an assistant head coach, a head coach, and me. And they've got access to us all day, every day. You ask a question, it's answered in minutes. And we support and hold the hand through every single step of the way.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

You say it's 75 days. Is that is that um anything related to this 75 hard, or is that just just coincidence in terms of it?

SPEAKER_01 3:23

It's just a coincidence. That's nothing to do with us at all. Um, how do you pick the number of days? Well, we was it was 90 days, and originally the 90 days was because that was like, you know, the set time that for a change, isn't it? Like 12 weeks, 90 days, that was the thing. And then I worked out how to get better results in less time. So I managed to get two weeks off of that time with better results. Can you find me a 10-day course? If only I could, I'd I'd be the messiah, wouldn't I? But to get the results that, you know, that's life-changing. And if you look at our results, they're unprecedented anywhere else in the world, really, from normal people that are not cheating and taking funny stuff. So um that's why it's grown so organically so quickly, because it's it's undeniable what you see.

Nutrition First Plus Mindset Training

SPEAKER_00 4:06

I mean, I know you don't want to give the course away, but I mean, can you can you share some of the things that people are doing wrong that are easy fixes?

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, um most programs are fitness-based programs with a bit of nutrition. That's the complete wrong way around. You should have a nutrition program with fitness, which is what the six-pour revolution does. Also, you have to work on the mindset because if someone doesn't stay the distance, then it's all been a waste of time. So you need to work on everyone's mind as well as their body uh too. And the biggest problem that most people do is they keep focusing on calorie deficit. Now, this will throw a lot of people um listening all over, like, what's he talking about? I'm very well versed in the rules of thermodynamics, I'm not stupid. But um, to focus on a calorie deficit only doesn't work. And what I mean by that is it depends on what your definition of work means. If you think that dropping a couple of pounds on the scales um works for you, then this isn't the program for you. What works for me is creating a body that works properly, works at its optimum, balances its hormones, build a machine that runs as it should, um, not just loses the fat, but also gets rid of the anxiety. Your skin, your hair, the whites of your eyes, your teeth, and your nails all become more radiant. You feel fit, full of energy, vitality, your mind is clearer, you're sharper. That's what works for me. And also it's got to be sustainable. So at the end of the program, I teach everyone how to keep their results and still party twice a week. So then they've not only have they um changed their relationship with food and with drink and with themselves, but going forwards, they can find that balance in their lives where they can do the best of both worlds. Because my my plan was to hand people the key to happiness that give you your power back, where you own yourself instead of the drink and the chocolate or the alcohol or whatever else owning you.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Out of interest then. I mean, when you say party twice a week, you you mean like a heavy session on the piss or just but how the hell can someone party twice a week, feel good and uh I didn't say you wouldn't have a headache or animal.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

What I said was you could keep your results. So that means let's say at the end of the program, you're where you want to be. Your your tummy's in the shape it wants, your body and everything, your fire, you're you're feeling strong. That isn't the same body that you've got now. So when you then have the chocolate or the alcohol, whatever it is, it's not so affected. For example, it's not gonna jump on your hips like it does now because you've got a machine a machine now that burns fuel efficiently. So when that naughty fuel comes in, it's gonna burn that efficiently too. Now, there's no program on the planet that's gonna allow you to go back to eating and drinking exactly what the way you were before, not end up where you were before. It doesn't exist. There's no pill, there's no injection, there's no potion, it doesn't exist. If um all these weight loss uh drugs that they keep giving out now and saying this, they don't give you weight loss. They suppress your appetite. It's not there's no such thing as a weight loss drug. It doesn't exist. It can stop you eating, make you feel like you don't want to eat anything, but then you're malnourishing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

How um, let's say, uh extreme are some of the uh the overweights or the or the the differences in people who come on your course? I mean, what would what would like the heaviest person be and what would the their results have been in that 72%?

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Well, we don't focus on weight at all. In fact, I spend most of this is the mindset stuff now. We don't focus on what we don't want. So what's the one thing most people that come to a program like mine don't want more of? Weight. So what's the one thing we shouldn't be focusing on and giving our energy to? Weight. Let's focus on what we do want. That's the dress size, the the flat tummy, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Energy, muscle mass.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

So our I think our biggest dress size was 32.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Sounds big. Um we've got 18 to 86 year olds, 77 different countries, colours, creeds, cultures, abilities, disabilities, people with no legs, people with cerebral palsy where half their body doesn't work properly, people with MS, ME, fibromyalgia, diabetes,

Sustainable Results And Party Rules

SPEAKER_01 7:52

cholesterol, blood pressure, hashimoto's, lipedema, you name it, everyone. And we have a 100% success rate in all of those chronic illnesses either becoming much more manageable or in complete remission because you are what you eat.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

It is amazing or worrying to see or to learn how much that you know that food and lifestyle does have a knock-on effect with everything else. And you know, obviously you talk about improving some of these you know life-debilitating illnesses and to do it over a prolonged period of time, uh it you know, it would be uh fascinating to see it, see the effects.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

Well, that's the relationship change I talk about. You can't change your relationship in 10 days, so that's why it's a longer process. But it isn't that long if you think about it. That 10 weeks and five days is 75 days to change your next 30, 40, 50 years. And um, once you feel how human bodies should feel, because most of us don't, we've since the day we were born, we've been poisoning ourselves with full fat milk, bread, butter, crisp, sweet cakes, chocolate, sweets, biscuits. I mean, my kids have all this, by the way. I'm not getting excited listening to all this. Um, and then comes the sipping of the your dad's alcohol at probably the age of eight to ten. By 14, you're over the park with the kids. Um, well, your mate, sorry, um, found a bottle from somewhere. I'm just telling you my lifestyle here. Um by 16, we were in the pubs back in the day, pretending we were 18. By 18, you're drinking every opportunity. That's not including the fags, the sweet, um, the coffee, the uh salt, the sugar, the fat, and any other drugs you might have tried in your time. And we're wondering why we cough, splutter, and stop. You take all that away and clean it all up. A bit like when the we um the pandemic was on and uh they were noticing that all the water was clearer and all uh the air was clearer and stuff like that. You just remove some of that poison. And you remember your body's built to heal itself, you know. And we also the most big thing we see a lot of is the depression and the anxiety. I mean, our people come to my program and tell me, Scott, it's my last chance. If this doesn't work, I'm checking out. The mind is a part of that body too. So we think we've got a fat tummy or heart and lungs don't work properly because what we eat, but every cell in our body is fed by what goes through our mouth, right? So uh this is that too. So the reason we can't cope with stress or nandies and they give you antidepressants, like, no. You know, it's your body can cope with all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

It's built for that. What are the biggest blockers that that stop people starting, you know, a journey of fitness or a journey of self-improvement? Ultimately, we all know how to lose weight. You know, yes, you can get a lot more done from your course, but we all know

Food’s Role In Chronic Illness

SPEAKER_00 10:24

if we really wanted to how to eat better, how how to go to the gym, how to not drink booze, whatever. Obviously, most people find an excuse to ignore that. I mean, what do you find are the biggest reasons that people who come in your course haven't wanted to try and find success beforehand?

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Alcohol's a big thing. You know, on my course there's no alcohol at all, whatsoever, so you don't join unless you've got that in your mind.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

So you can you can have it again after the 75 days.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Yeah, I'll teach you at a party twice a week. But um, funny enough, once they start, they find that the easiest thing to ditch and the thing that they don't crave the most. They crave things like crisps and salty type stuff and that. Um, and some people are chocolate, so they'll crave that. But the alcohol is usually the lip, but that but initially, when people said, Oh, I couldn't do that, you know, so that's one of the biggest, biggest things. And also, it's actually wanting to change your life. You'd be surprised. A lot of people like to live with their best friend, Mr. Misery. And the thought of being happy and changing all of that can actually be quite scary for people. Psychologically, people struggle with that. But that's why on the program it's really good because humans work really well with structure and routine, and that's why um, you know, places like the army and prison are very um structured and and full of routine. And once you get into that, it actually becomes and when you're sharing that time with a lot of other people, because um, you know, we get very motivated by the other people that are in the groups as well. So I might even myself, you know, some days I'm gonna wake up and think, oh, I can't be bothered today. And then I'll see um Doris, who's 55, in a wheelchair, who's a carer. I'm talking about someone specific here, just change the name, at five o'clock in the morning because she's got to get to her patient by um sort of 6 30, or wherever it is, out whipping some battle ropes. I'm getting up. And I'm like, wow, you know, and we support and motivate each other as well. So I think the the biggest block, if you said to me, name one thing that's the biggest block, is usually the alcohol thing. What about drugs? Um I we don't have a huge amount of people that come on and admit that to us. You do get some honest people though. We've had yeah, we've had we've had people that have a drug problem, but that's really tiny amount that but then I think that's a bit more taboo for people to admit. So so so I think there's more than I know.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Tell me, um, you mentioned um in the beginning that uh some of the kind of like world-class experts you've got on on your course, one one's a biochemist. Is that are we talking like hormones and things here? Is that is that is that where that fits in?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

We s we sit and talk um more of it as a group, and then we we all put our sort of tempen this worth in. But it's got to the point now actually where because the program has been running for best part of coming up to eight years, and um it's uh it's the s it's the same rules, for want of a better phrase. The rules of feeding the human body don't change uh over those eight years, really. You know, the the the biology of human body is the same, will always be. So we find now that

Alcohol, Fear Of Change, Community

SPEAKER_01 13:30

we don't need we don't have so many um of those long meetings anymore because everything's kind of been covered. We do keep up on latest things, and I listen to other bits and bobs and I sometimes discuss those things, but usually they're very fatty things that come out that hold the latest thing now, and it just makes no sense. It's just a a trick, really. When you eat, and by the way, what we do is not clever, it's just how the human body should be fed. Right. So when you eat a balanced plate of food, and that balanced plate of food is relatively specific. So a lot of people think they eat healthily and they eat healthy food, but it's not balanced healthily, and there's a big difference. So when you balance the plate of food and have it balanced throughout the day with hydration, water, um you that's you can research it yourself, well known for balancing hormones. When your hormones are balanced, you are building a machine that works at its optimum. When it works at its optimum, it burns fuel efficiently, which is fat, and builds and maintains muscle mass. And as I said earlier, your hair, your skin, everything comes, your anxiety disappears, you sleep better, all these things. Now, that's just everything in the world works better in balance, right? You've got sun, moon. If you didn't have the other the whole thing cave in, yin yang, um, positive, negative. You know, like when uh you've got a swimming pool and the pH balance of the water is off, it will go black and toxic. Balance. And I use those analogies. And also the reason we balance it throughout the day is because if you imagine a log burner, do you know what a log burner is? As in a fire. In the house, it's in like yeah. If you want that fire, or any fire really, I've got a log burner, that's why I mentioned it. If you want it to burn fuel efficiently all day, you start off the day and you put your paper and your kindling on, you light it all up, and then you put your log on and the fire's burning. You wouldn't wait for it all to fizzle out, turn to ash again, then go back in and say, right, I'm gonna put the paper in. Just chuck a log on every now and again, and it will burn forever. It will never stop as long as you just chuck another one on when it needs it. And if you imagine the human body that way, um again, it's all about balance. And when you eat in balance, balance throughout the day, you balance your hormones, you're a different, you're a different machine. Not just testosterone, everything.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

You used to suffer from bulimia.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Yes. Uh I mean is that a long time ago or for over 30 years I was I struggled with bulimia, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Which one's that is that is that making yourself sick?

SPEAKER_01 15:56

All the time, every day. So f from from childhood? It happened when I was around about 13, and my psychotherapist lady on my team actually, I did bring up to her, and we identified that was when I became when I was bullied. Uh that's when I started getting badly bullied, and I was um in a really dark place at that point. Um I the the bully weed on me uh more than once, and I didn't do nothing about it because I was uh scared and um struggled to fight back from that. So I think that was maybe my way of controlling something. Apparently, that's kind of the psychology behind it, but then I carried that on for another 30 years.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

And so were you were you overweight at that time, then is that why you were?

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Not at that age, no. No. So I don't really know why I chose that method.

Hormones, Balance, Log Burner Eating

SPEAKER_01 16:45

But and and then I guess I got to this point where I would eat and I would it would feel like it was always stuck here and I had to release it. And the only way for me in my head were to do that was be stick my fingers down my throat. But then I'd go like in a an all-you-can-eat buffet, and I'd eat, be sick, eat, be sick, eat till I was bored. You know, just stupid, really.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

You'll be getting banned from the all you can eat buffets with that trick, weren't you? But you know, like when you're on holiday, and you know, my wife knew she I would come out, she'd see my eyes watering, and and you e by that point when you were you were happy, you were married, you had kids, you know, you're doing karate, etc. I presume not worried about bullying. I mean, wh i it was just psychologically stuck with you and I think so.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

And also it would um if I but when I was on the when I ate the Six Pack Revolution way, never had the urge to do it. So it must have had something to do with the bad food as well. I want to get it out of me, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

So you were still doing it up until the point that uh Six Pack Revolution started?

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah, yeah. I've had the odd relapse um since, but it's pretty much non-existent now. Yeah. Unfortunately. Well, fortunately it's non-existent, unfortunately I went through that.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Do you have other people who s who suffer from these kind of things on the on the uh on the course and and do you do you work with them, you help them?

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Yeah, well it's funny you should say, uh you said earlier actually, and I think I went off on a tangent, but you said earlier about what gives me the the um why may to be able to sit on this platform and do this stuff. Well, yeah, I've been through the bullying, I've been through the eating disorder, I've been divorced, um, I've lost a little boy, I've done all these things. Um lost us and passed away. And so all these things have happened, and I guess would I change them now? I'm not sure I would, Matt, actually. Because it's put me in the best job I've ever had in my life, and I love it, and I'm changing lives every day. And I can empathise with pretty much most things that come my way because I've been, you know, a dark place is a dark place sometimes, and even it might not be the same dark place if you've been in a dark place, and trust me, when someone pees on you, it's pretty dark. When when did the karate come in? I started martial arts when I was about 10, did judo, jujitsu, and then I found karate in my early 20s, very early 20s, and that was where I kind of find a passion that I really loved it and I wanted to stay with it. So I went up to Black Bell and then became a adult's class and a kids' class, and uh I trained at uh I I did a national competition, came third, and um stuff like that, and uh and then I fell in love with boxing after that, and I still box now.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

I mean, I love um let's say parallels between sport and business or you know sport and the and and the and the real world. And I've been listening listening to quite a lot of books on on training and repetition, repetition, and um I'll probably butcher butcher this like I do with uh with most stories. Um but I think it was talking about um like Aikido Master or no ju ju-jitsu, and you know, that the jujitsu masters aren't let's let's say quite good at 10,000 different moves, they're absolutely fucking excellent at three or four different moves that they practice time and time and time again, and that you know that people people think that to be good at something they need to do all these different things and brush over it, but really, you know, uh there's one or two or three key skills that you just need to practice about. Bruce Lee, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Bruce Lee said that he doesn't fear the man who can do 10,000 kicks, he fears the man who can do one kick ten thousand times. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

So uh so I I guess talking about that, can you can you can you relate that to your karate, to your boxing? Have you got some uh I guess some some line of conversation we can go down in in in in terms in terms of analogies and uh and self-improvement?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Well I think you know everything all of the above, if you think about um if you want to be a successful person, and you can have successful people that are unhealthy or don't exactly but let's just they could be even more successful if you ask me. Discipline, structure and vision, and to have a clear path to all of that, you need to eat

Bulimia, Bullying, Control, Recovery

SPEAKER_01 20:44

properly, you need to take some time out for yourself. So a lot of people, like especially business people, they are constantly, oh, I've got time, I've got time, I've got time to do it. The world is still gonna be there in 20 minutes if you want to go and do a workout. You can do a good workout in 20 minutes, right? It's not gonna the world's not gonna change, you'll be fine, and you'll actually be better at at your busy lifestyle and your job if you give yourself that time. And then if you've been a martial artist or um or or a boxer or whatever discipline to a relatively decent level, not just I went once in when I was age six, I'd used to do karate, you know, I hear that all the time. If you actually do it, you can then everything has got a ripple effect into every area of your life, not just not just the business side. You know, even at home with your relationships and your, you know, if you're a happier, more balanced person, and I I talk a lot about balance, don't I? Now, um, if you've got a balanced state of mind, you can look at both sides of an argument and make a very good decision on what you consider to be the correct way. If you are my way's the only way, and sod you lot, because your your mind's not balanced, you're you it's just one way, then you're gonna miss out on a lot of important information that's gonna push you forward. Get the ge ego out of the way. That's what box.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

And karate teacher as well. Well, let's talk about some other, let's say, health misconceptions or misconceptions in fitness and nutrition then. Spot reduction. Yeah, you can't do it. There's no such thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Yeah. The only thing I can tell you is the bottom part of your tummy going all the way around, the tire, the centre of gravity, that's going to be the last thing to go. You never see someone with a six-pack go from the bottom up. It'll be the top two, next two, next two, when you're getting a six-pack. And by the way, just because we talk about six-pack, the programme's called the Six Pack Revolution. It's not really about getting a six-pack. My biggest demographic is 35 to 65-year-old men and women, as I said, going from a size 18 dress to a 10 in one wave, no saggy skin, because we most people are going to be eating more on my program as well. So we feed and nourish you to fat loss. We don't starve or malnourish you. So spot reduction, um, you can't do it. You can't tell where the fat's coming off first, but I can probably tell you just where it's going to be last.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

What if you get something that you can just never get rid of? I mean, do you do you get that like stubborn bits that wouldn't even when you've got it in shape, there's just something that will just never go?

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Well, it will probably go eventually, but it just depends how many years you want to put in into that. When I had an eight-pack once, I still had love handles. And I just had to accept where else am I what am I doing? Apart from going getting cut off or sucked off. You didn't do a bit of lipo. No, I didn't I didn't do it. It entered my head, but I didn't do it. Um, it kind of would go against a little bit, probably, of what I what I preach, but um it did enter my head if I'm honest with you, yeah. Um, and another myth as well is uh, as I said to you earlier, this calorie deficit thing, the best way to lose fat is on the most calories possible. Let me explain what I mean by that as well. So let's say your maintenance calories per day were two and a half thousand. Let's just say you

Martial Arts Discipline For Real Life

SPEAKER_01 23:44

would lose more fat on 2,250 than you would on 1,000 calories. Faster, more sustainable, healthier obviously, and to your um to your benefit of your whole of body and mind, rather than malnourishing yourself at the 1,000, very slow process of losing fat. So I can actually give you an anecdotal example.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

But but does it depend surely on what the calories are that you're eating or or what's what exercise or something you're doing at the same time that you're eating it?

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Well, I'll I'll I'll go on both of those, right? Let's let's let's tell you exactly what I mean. So we had a lady who on the program, she before she came to Six Pack, was um, she did 850 calories a day for 365 days. She lost a stone in a month. The next 11 months, she only lost two pound. Her hair fell out, she was couldn't get out of bed, she couldn't remember what she was doing an hour before. She she uh she was having all sorts of medical problems, like parts of her were failing, her obviously her blood's all over the like nothing. She basically was killing herself and wasn't losing the fat or the weight. So even on the right food, 1,000 calories a day isn't enough. But on the 2,250, for example, or the 2,000, depends, you know, it doesn't really matter. So there's a there's a nice range you can sit between. When it's the right food, it's actually quite a lot of food, actually. And the right uh balance of food on the plate at the time, because that's important as well. You know, you want to always have your balance of your proteins, your carbs, and your fats every time you eat, if you can. Now, I'm not saying that having a banana on its own is never gonna happen again in the car, but if you wanted to be super perfect, you would add your Greek yogurt and your almonds to that banana. That would be a better, more balanced better than just having the banana on its own. Yeah, much better. Because then you're balancing the snack. If you imagine a set of scales, the old-fashioned ones with a chain, the banana, if you get a banana, you put it on, it's there, isn't it? So you want to balance it. So you want to put your protein and your uh fats on the other side, for example. And you can't just have them later. No, so let me explain that as well. This comes to

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SPEAKER_01 26:05

the hormone thing now. So if I was going to have a bowl of rice at midday today, let's just say, I would have an insulin spike, and your body is supposed to spike, supposed to spike insulin every time you eat. That's normal, that's fine. But what you don't want is these big lifts and crashes. You know, like when you have a pizza, you feel great for two minutes and you want to go to bed.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Yep. And the pizza last night.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Yeah, you know that feeling? You just you have a like they call it a food coma, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. So we don't want that. So if I'd have had this uh a palm size and thickness piece of chicken today, at midday, with my handful of rice, that was stir-fried in a teaspoon of olive oil, when he spices, ginger, garlic, squeeze of lemon, whatever I want. This isn't quite true, but this is just for the analogy purpose. You'd have an interesting spike and a nice sort of straight line. It's not straight, but you get my point. And we don't have these big crashes like if you're having a deep pan pizza. So what you eat at the time is important. If I'd have either the rice on its own and the chicken later, for example, that's that's gonna happen. That's gonna have a different reaction in my body. All all carbs and all fats are bad? No, not at all. Uh the six-barre revolution is full of carbs. But we use nutritious carbohydrates. And as I said to you, it doesn't mean you can't ever have a donut again or a piece of chocolate or a pint of lago, but we need to reset the way that body of mind works first, invest that little bit amount of time. Then when you go and have that donut, it you bat it off.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

And when you have it, so so obviously I presume you don't have the donut during the 75 days that happen after. How how do you pay for that donut? Do you do you just accept it and absorb it, or do you go, I've just had a donut, I'm gonna go and do an extra 5,000 steps?

SPEAKER_01 27:47

You can't out train the diet anyway, really. What I teach people is, as I say, you can party twice a week. So those other five days, you are eating in balance, eating how the human body should be fed, gaining your credit, for then you can you can have these things and not worry about it. If you want to move forward, then you only party once a week. If you move if you want to move forward slowly. If you want to move forward fast, we don't party. We do seven days a week. So the five and two situation is where your credit's in the five, so you can play with the two. So that's how how you you kind of do that.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

I know you've been uh you've been a trainer of uh of a few celebrities over the years as well. Is that because they've been on the six-pack revolution or you have you you just you just trained them anyway?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Um yeah, they've they've found me through the program lots actually. Um and and and actually uh Ryland was the other way round. Rylan came to me tiny, like he was a skeleton almost. He was going through his divorce, he was very down, depressed, he'd been in been into um an establishment to try and sort his head out, and he was very malnourished. He's six foot four, he was like nine stone. Um he's a he's a very tall guy. So I had to do the opposite of fat loss and I had to build him up, which we did. He had an amazing photo shoot and he looked like a hench at the end of it.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

So have you got all kinds of different programs on the thing? So for people who I mean, if people want to be massive, you know, do do you have very like heavy lifting type stuff on there as well? Or are i you you you a bit more, let's say, I don't mean not middle of the road, but um you know, not not to any particular extreme, you know, not not a super athlete, not a big bodybuilder.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

I've got I've got Olymp, I've had Olympia on my programme, Alex Scott, uh, you know, the footballer? No. She's uh she's a presenter now, but um um I've got loads

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SPEAKER_01 29:40

of triathletes, iron men, ultra-iron, marathon, ultra marathon, and they would go into a specific group, like the what we call the extreme group. And I also but don't forget, I'm live with everyone, so we bend with the wind. So I've had a guy on there and I've taken I've taken I've taken people, bodybuilders, into competition. But the program that you choose, even though you're in it, we still bend with the wind within it, because there's obviously going to be people that um have abilities, disabilities, they can't do this, they can't do that. So then we give them things that they can do. Food-wise, I change thousands of people's food throughout the program. That's why we keep an eye on everyone with the photographs. Some people lose all the fat they need to in the first half of the program. So then I might switch them into one of the other groups, and then we start building like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Do people uh the people who are in the groups, they get to see each other in the groups as well, do they say that so they can make some fitness friends and doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

So, yeah, it's like a big community. Um we we have about 100 people in a group. So right now I've got the best part of 70 groups running. Um got about 7,000 people in the program as we speak. Um how much is it? The program, yeah, 149. For the whole program, yeah. And then what what can people do thereafter? I teach them at the end, as I said, how to maintain. And but but I mean it can people come into more groups? Yeah, but I've had people on their 14th six pack.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Oh, okay. So you just keep paying for the city.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Some just come once a year on a January wave just to do the new year thing. Some people live it. Um, some people do one at the beginning and one at the end of the year and have all the summer off loving themselves. Um, it just whatever, yeah, whatever people want to do.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Well, listen, Scott, it's been a pleasure having you here. You've almost uh almost made me want to give up donuts, but I'm I'm thinking maybe I will jump on your on your 75-day challenge and maybe we can do a repeat podcast at some time in the future. I can I can take my shirt off. Listen, just before you go, uh obviously give yourself a proper shout out in terms of uh instant names, you know, websites and stuff where people can go and find and get signed up.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Okay, so you can go onto the website www.the6packrevolution.com. Don't forget the sixpackrevolution.com. Six is in the number six? No, six. And the uh Instagram handles at the sixpackrevolution. Or just type it into Google, you can't miss us, it's it's everywhere. And um, thank you for having me, man. Thanks for all for being here. Thank you. Cheers, mate.