The Body Image Revolution

When Self-Development Becomes Self-Trust With Zipporah Ruth

• Rebecca Sigala • Season 1 • Episode 73

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In this episode, I have the honor of speaking with my client Zipporah Ruth, an embodiment coach for women. She decided to join The New Sexy after noticing challenging thoughts about her body, including moments when she even considered plastic surgery, thoughts that didn’t align with how she wanted to see herself or who she knew herself to be.

In our conversation, we explore the unexpected gap she uncovered in her healing, the subtle ways deservingness and self-fixing were still influencing her choices, and what shifted for her inside TNS that helped her trust herself again and feel at true peace with her body exactly the way it is.

This episode is an honest look at knowing your worth and looking confident vs. actually feeling it in your body.

For more details and to apply for The New Sexy: https://www.rebeccasigalacoaching.com/the-new-sexy

Learn more about Zipporah Ruth by visiting her website: http://zipporahruth.com/ or Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zipporah_ruth

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Rebecca Sigala:

Hello. Hello, my beautiful, radiant, incredible humans. Welcome to the Body Image Revolution. It's Rebecca Sigala here and I am a body confidence coach and a healing boudoir photographer. For over 12 years, I've been on a mission to help women not just feel accepting or good or fine about their bodies, but fully embrace them and feel sexy and alive and radiant in their skin without having to change their bodies or their appearance in order to feel that way. I am also the founder of The New Sexy Awakening, which is a virtual journey for self-aware women who desire unwavering body confidence, the kind of confidence that stays with you through all the body changes and all the seasons of life. And that's what we're gonna get into today. But instead of me just sharing what the program has to offer. We're gonna do something a little bit more fun, and I have a really special guest here to share her story. My incredible client, Zipporah Ruth. She's a coach herself, which just makes so much sense Oftentimes, it's women who are helping other women love their bodies more, because people who. Have faced this who know this on such a deep level can help other women on a deep level. That's exactly what I experienced myself and sometimes. You feel that gap between valuing positive body image, knowing your worth, knowing all the phrases and how to teach body love and teach embodiment, but then not always feeling that way in your body or have the ability to fully apply that perspective to yourself. That's what happened for Zipporah Ruth, right before she joined The New Sexy. She noticed some thoughts creeping up and she was thinking about her body changes and even thought about plastic surgery for a hot minute. And while of course, every woman has the right to do whatever the hell she wants with her body, Zipporah Ruth did not want plastic surgery, and she knew that these thoughts were not aligned with who she knew herself to be or how she wanted to perceive herself. She knew that there was something deeper underneath, and so we began this journey together and she experienced mind blowing results. it really shows us how much this specific kind of work of embodiment and body image and identity healing saves our time, our brain space, our money, our energy, and our power. So we can take all of that and pour it into ourselves. Into our loved ones, our businesses, and the things that are really the most important to us. I cannot wait for you to hear about her journey, and if you're relating to any of what I just shared, this episode is going to be absolutely amazing. I loved working with Zipporah Ruth, and I loved the beautiful energy she brought to The New Sexy community and all her wisdom and her beauty and her. Energy and her power. It was just always so incredible to see her every single week and this conversation just put the cherry on top. I hope you all enjoy. Hello.

Zipporah Ruth:

Hi.

Rebecca Sigala:

Thank you so much for coming on today. I have no idea where we should even begin. I just feel like we have so much to talk about and discuss and I'm so, so grateful and honored that you're here today. So thank you. Yes, thank you for having me. Of course. So where do we begin? I can begin at the beginning. Yeah, exactly. Seriously, I am really excited for the listeners to get to know you. and one of the questions that I was thinking about today when I was thinking about this conversation and I guess I could ask this question even before you share who you are, what you do, where you're located, how many kids you have, I mean, all of that is really important, but this question came up for me and I'm curious what the answer would be for you. Why is self-love and having a positive body image important to you?

Zipporah Ruth:

Hmm. Well, I think it's really. The foundation of everything, right? Love, everything is created in love. We were created in love. We're here for a very strong purpose and reason. And that's based off of love. Yeah. And if we can't, define it for ourselves, right? basically our definition of love creates how we move through the day, how we move through life. And, like I was saying, depending on our definition of love, that's how we show up every day. That's the choices that we're gonna make. not just the definition, but to feel right, to truly understand and feel what is love.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm. That be left in your

Zipporah Ruth:

everyday choices. And that has an effect obviously. With the people that you surround yourselves with, your loved ones, even just the stranger in a grocery store, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So when we can understand what is, love the root of it, define it and embody that, then we just get to show up from a place of authenticity.'cause we were all created and born and we're here in love.

Rebecca Sigala:

So was there something that, I mean, for people who don't know, are an embodiment coach and you're in the healing world, and these are terms and concepts that are just so familiar to you, especially in terms of how you teach and empower others. When you talk about. This love, this self love and love in general, being something that's so important to you. Was there a moment or something in your life that made you realize that, that kind of illuminated the idea that this is something to focus on and something that will impact and change how you show up in your life?

Zipporah Ruth:

Uh, yes, definitely. I can't say it was a specific moment. I think it was maybe coming to this awareness of, like I was saying, how I'm showing up every day. Um, yeah, which was not from a place of love and flow and oneness and authenticity. When was

Rebecca Sigala:

this happening?

Zipporah Ruth:

I would say about three years ago when I was going through a very personal challenge and it hit a very low point in my life.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

And, you know, we're always, gifted challenges, so to say, right. So that we don't repeat the same pattern so that we have opportunities to show up differently. and being that I have felt like this in similar situations through similar challenges, but I've already worked on myself and had this awareness of like, okay. I want to show up and navigate this challenge differently. so how can I do that?

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. So you're saying that because you had done healing work up until that point, you realized, okay, I do have tools and I do want to approach this differently.

Zipporah Ruth:

Correct. Got it. Yeah. and it's not like all of a sudden it was like, oh, a place of love came to mind. You know, I was just, I was like, what is that even, you know?

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. It

Zipporah Ruth:

was, really just comparing to how I moved through different challenges in the past, and how I want to choose to show up differently now. Mm-hmm. Um, and instead of being from a place of, feeling almost like forced, anger, rigidness steps. Um, it's more like I allowed myself to surrender to the process, uh, because, you know, there are no outcomes and we can't control the outcomes. We can only work through it with whatever we have. And I'm very, you know, outcome based. And I realize, okay, that I have zero control over, which my therapist actually brought me to that attention. There are no outcomes. so I think it was really surrendering to the flow of it. and being like, I've done my hardest. I try my best, navigating different challenges. Mm-hmm. And instead of, being hard on myself and again, pushing and going and, and trying to show up from a place of perfection almost, right? It's like this mess, right? But even though my life has fallen apart. pretend in every single which way that it's fine. No, I'm not, I'm not fine, you know, and I don't, I don't wanna do it this way. So it's really a mm-hmm. Giving myself permission to be in it, right. To feel it and move through it differently through that process. That was the beginning of my process of, understanding and experiencing, like what true love really is. Like, when you give yourself permission to be right.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm. Um,

Zipporah Ruth:

with all the flaws, without the perfectionism, with everything real, all the stuff that, the parts, that was really my, opening, I guess to say, to under something very

Rebecca Sigala:

difficult three years ago. And you are like, okay, I can do this differently. I want to do this differently. And the approach at that time was. I wanna do this from a place of love and not from, of course, hate, but also just perfectionism or trying to hide or mask things to kind of just fully surrender to this process. So that's when it became clear that this was important because you were seeing how doing it differently changed how you showed up. I feel like this is all very conceptual. is there anything that you feel comfortable sharing about what you were going through? and that's okay if not.

Zipporah Ruth:

Well, I faced a challenge within my relationship. Which everything in our life is, you know, a mirror reflection of, and again, like I'm like, when we're faced with a challenge, we have an opportunity to show up differently and there's different triggers that arise with that. Yeah. So this challenge, triggered a lot and a lot of different parts of me that I thought I had time to work through and heal, you know? Mm-hmm. On my own pace when I want. but it kind of like hit me in the face. It was like a whole Pandora's box which can be extremely overwhelming.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Um,

Zipporah Ruth:

so again, instead of either shutting down, pretending everything's fine Right. Or instead of being like, oh my God, what the hell do I do with all this shit that just came up?

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Seriously.

Zipporah Ruth:

So again, doing it for me, doing it for myself. Mm-hmm. And for others, doing what feels good to me because I want this, each layer. Was just another step of me connecting to my true self, which I had many a layers to uncover and connect. So as chose to work through that challenge differently.

Rebecca Sigala:

yeah. What changed? Like how did that help that you were doing it so differently and from a loving place?

Zipporah Ruth:

so at first when I was navigating it and showing up differently, it was kind of like from a place like, which we touched on in the classes, like from place of Deservingness, right? Mm-hmm. Which I deserve better, right? Yeah. I deserve more. I deserve, you know, to love to be loved. I deserve,

Rebecca Sigala:

yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

which led me to sign up to The New Sexy.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

And that was my whole mindset.

Rebecca Sigala:

so it kind of just opened the doors to I deserve to feel good.

Zipporah Ruth:

Correct. Yes. Beautiful. I really like me. like, you know, when you're used to showing up from a place of serving others, doing everything for everyone else because everyone else deserves it, or your kids, your spouse, your friends, right. But like what about you? Like why not me? Like I deserve this too.

Rebecca Sigala:

So true. And yeah, I can totally see how that would open up a lot of doors and thought processes that are just very, very healing. okay, so you went through something really big and then you went even deeper on your healing journey. That makes a lot of sense. Right before you reached out to me for The New Sexy, where were you in your life? what was going on? How were you relating to yourself? Because you've obviously been doing this work for a really long time.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. thank God, really great place. Mm-hmm. you know, done a lot of deep, intense work and, I still felt like there was like a little piece that needed to connect, uh, to myself from a, from a deeper place. Um, I wasn't sure what it was, and also I wasn't necessarily looking for the thing. and. I wasn't signed up to any intense, like, coaching programs or doing anything intense. I was just like, I was just being, and when I noticed your, The New Sexy and just something in me like clicked and said, this is it. Like this is the thing. I don't know where it's gonna take me. Or when everyone message me, you're like,

Rebecca Sigala:

this just looks like the best vibe. Like,

Zipporah Ruth:

I want this. Yeah. It, you know, it's also the vibes and the energy is very different from any of the other work that I have been doing, which is just more tense and more deep and

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. You

Zipporah Ruth:

know, different structure. I wasn't looking for any of that. I wasn't really looking for anything. but I just felt that there was that missing piece of the puzzle that just had to like click and connect. And I knew that it was very much body-based. Um, do you

Rebecca Sigala:

mind And of course, anything you don't wanna share, please don't. but I think a lot of people can relate to being in that place. Okay. You've gone through so much and you've been on your healing journey. You're even a coach yourself, and you were in a good place in your life and there just felt like there was this gap. And I think a lot of women, a lot of people feel that. Is there a way to describe that tangibly for you? Like what was that gap? Was it when you looked in the mirror, you saw something or you wanted to show up differently in your life? Or certain thoughts were coming up around your body or the idea of sexiness? Like what was that gap for you?

Zipporah Ruth:

Interesting to me because I'm someone who's been confident. I am confident, yeah. I wear what I wanna dress, what I want, I do my thing I wear on colors, whatever.

Rebecca Sigala:

I feel like that's also the biggest misconception of my work is that like my clients start working with me when they're so not confident and it's not true.

Zipporah Ruth:

Right. Yeah. I'm saying for me it wasn't at all, it wasn't a confidence thing. I feel sexy. I, you know, what was interesting to me is all of a sudden I started having, like these like intrusive thoughts, like where are they coming from? I know where they're coming from about what, so two things that were bothering me is that, so I have been gaining weight the past, I don't know, whatever, doesn't matter. I don't go on the scale, but I'm just, I know how I feel and look at my body. Right?

Rebecca Sigala:

Right.

Zipporah Ruth:

Um, and my body has fluctuated over all the years. It's not something that I'm unfamiliar with. generally happens. Yeah. And I noticed like weight gain, in my stomach area, and I started feeling uncomfortable about that. like a heaviness, like actual, heaviness inside uncomfortable. Mm-hmm. And I started thinking, oh, maybe I should do a tummy tuck.

Rebecca Sigala:

Right.

Zipporah Ruth:

That's what actually scared me because, I'm not into like invasive surgeries for no reason for myself. Mm.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

was, so it was just

Rebecca Sigala:

surprising to you that that was kind of what you were thinking about? Yeah. Like, where is this contemplating?

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. I'm confident, I'm good. Like I wanna lose weight. Like, you know, I'll work out, I'll do things differently. so it was just a little bit of shocker to me, which made me realize like, there must be something deeper here.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. If I'm

Zipporah Ruth:

even having the thought and contemplating the thought. what am I missing? Like what's that? You know, it doesn't make sense for who I am and how I live my life and what I stand for and what I believe in. And all of a sudden it wasn't just like a thought, it was like something that I was like, you know, kept on, like constantly thinking about and not feeling comfortable, my body about that. and also with Botox, right? It's something that I personally, uh, don't agree with. It's, it's a toxin, it's toxic Botox. And, that was also shocking to me. Like all of a sudden thinking about like, I'm not getting Botox, but the fact that I was like even ruminating about it and thinking, yeah, I mean, there's someone close in my circles, who does Botox and she's constantly. Throwing it out there and projecting it and, you know, all that. So I, it is just like in my energy space and I guess it's getting, yeah. And I think it's in

Rebecca Sigala:

most women's energy space, unfortunately.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. But that was another thing also. I'm like, why are you even thinking about this? So you felt like it was a deeper thing. Right, right. It always is. So those two things. Yeah. So I think those two things were the main things I was feeling heavy in my body. contemplating even thinking about getting a tummy tuck and then just getting angry and upset about this Botox.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. So

Zipporah Ruth:

So I think that was, the gap. So to say, like, you know, something wasn't fitting up. Right. I'm

Rebecca Sigala:

okay, I'm confident, I've worked on myself. Everything's fine, but I'm having these thoughts. Correct. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm sure a lot of women can relate to that. So then you just saw The New Sexy, and you're like, okay, this is different than other things that I've done before. And what did you want to get out of it at the time?

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. So it's, it's not like I signed up thinking, oh, like there's this, I'm thinking about tummy tuck and Botox, and then there's the TNS, you know?

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

It just, something about, um, like it was just the right

Rebecca Sigala:

timing. Like, okay, yes. Thinking about these things and then this came up like, okay, maybe this is a sign.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah.'cause I've been following you on Instagram for a while before that. Yeah. I just love your energies and love your vibes. And, and then mutual. Thank you. Mm-hmm. I guess it's the right, right place, right time. And that's why it's important to, like, if you're feeling something deeply from a place of like, like groundedness, that's your intuition. and just go for it. Yes. Jump on it because that's the thing that you need without expecting a certain outcome. Right. Without like having your perfection of what'll be after. I had no idea what it would entail. I just knew it was three months. You're like, okay, let's do this. Right, exactly. So looking back in hindsight, of course, like zero regrets. I see my entire journey played out through The New Sexy and I, I know. Like this was exactly what I needed. And I feel like, so that, that little gap, that missing piece just clicked in like very early on.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. How did that happen? What was that like? Yeah. Was it a breakthrough? Was it a feeling?

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah, it was a breakthrough. like my, you know, ha, hallelujah. You know, your re moment. Oh my God, I love that bulb. lightbulb I think it was first live for those first. Yes. I was like, wow. This is why it's so important not to like show up or go into something thinking things need to play out a specific way because you never know. Like Yeah. How it'll play out when it'll come and then you'll miss it. You know, you'll miss it.

Rebecca Sigala:

percent. Yes. I'm so with

Zipporah Ruth:

you. Yeah. For me, I felt it, in the first session that we had, more just speaking about, deservingness, like, I always felt I needed to deserve love to work like the worthiness piece, right? Oh,

Rebecca Sigala:

yes, I remember this.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. Right. And I was, as I was sharing that with you in the group, I don't remember your exact words, but it was so powerful. I think it was pretty much this, correct me if I'm wrong. After I said my spiel, you said, what if it's not about deserving?

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm, what if it's not about deserving?

Zipporah Ruth:

What if you are just love? And that was like, wow. Like that you don't need to

Rebecca Sigala:

deserve love. You are love.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm. I just got the chills again.

Zipporah Ruth:

It was really, really powerful moment for me. Like really powerful and like, boom. Like, you know, the angel that shoots the arrow to the heart, the love angel. That's such a good visual. Literally, that's what it felt like. I was like, bam. Like, oh, you know what's so

Rebecca Sigala:

cool about that is that the deserving wasn't a bad thing either. Like you just described it as kind of the stepping stone to where you are now. Because if you didn't at some point just say, okay, I deserve this, then you would've never given yourself permission to go on that journey and give yourself the time and the space and prioritize yourself. And then it was like, this was like the next step or evolution of that where, okay, that served me and now I don't have to earn it anymore.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, correct. And you know, everyone's journey is different for everyone.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

For me, like you're saying that I needed to hang on to that deservingness, like that was my definition then of love.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Why do you think that is? Because I think that so many women have this idea that they need to earn these things, it's not like earning money or like certain things that people work towards and they get an outcome. It's just things that I guess you and I both now see as our birthright, love, joy, sexiness, feeling good in our bodies. Why do you think that so many women feel like they need to earn it?

Zipporah Ruth:

I think for everyone it's different. I feel that there are two core elements that can play in to this. A of course it's your childhood and upbringing, how you were raised and how if you felt loved and how love was, given to you.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm. If it was

Zipporah Ruth:

given to you. Yeah. And, again, it's also I feel like a lot of society based, what community you're being, uh, raised in or choose to stay in.

Rebecca Sigala:

Right? Yeah, a hundred percent. It's like there's just, in addition to our childhood and trauma or the experiences that we've had, there's just the societal pressure of needing to be or act or do things a certain way in order to. Be accepted and worthy.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. In the eyes

Rebecca Sigala:

of others.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. And it can even be something simple, like for example, like in Judaism, um, it says, I think it's in Gamara that the husband is supposed to buy his wife a piece of jewelry, a gift before every holiday. Mm-hmm. and you know, a lot

Rebecca Sigala:

of

Zipporah Ruth:

people.

Rebecca Sigala:

That's a good one.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, it is a good one. But I think what may have happened over time is that the women may have associated it with, you know, the working hard, right? Mm-hmm. And the menu planning and the hosting and the taking care of the kids. Oh, wow.

Rebecca Sigala:

That's such a good point. Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

And then like, okay, so it's, I'm working hard and I'm myself, and now I'm getting this gift. Correct,

Rebecca Sigala:

I'm a good wife now I'm getting this gift.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, yes. So I think subconsciously like that, it's very possible that a lot of women just. Correlate the two. so that's just like even a simple thing that's not even like trauma based. Wow. Or like society's projection. It's a lot of times these subtle things that we don't even realize, and then we just subconsciously make that connection. So then we're showing up on a daily basis like that. Right. It's like, oh, work hard, do the thing, get good, and then get gifted with an item that's materialistic. Yes.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Or just even the things that we give ourselves. I'm not gonna rest until I do X, Y, Z. It's just like very transactional versus really just giving ourselves what we need.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

It's so simple.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. And then if we're living that kind of lifestyle with these thoughts and we're raising our family like this, this is what our children and our daughters we'll see.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

So unless we, you know, choose to. Go about that process differently or speak about it, or the gift, you know, can be given also with words of love and affirmation. Mm-hmm. Or sharing with your daughter, like, you know, the husband, the father, sharing with their children. This is why we give, just because, you know. So I think that we have that opportunity to find these little, they're like daily, like, even like nuances that we don't ever realize. Like people sometimes think like you have to undo things because of like traumas or like Right. Or like

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

Big issues within the community. It's not necessarily that, like we have opportunities every day to do things differently. Right. And like, if we wanna feel loved just for the fact that we exist, how can we bring that upon ourselves? how can we show up, like then actually embody that? Mm-hmm. And like give that message over next generation to ourselves.

Rebecca Sigala:

yeah, I feel that way with a lot of different societal pressures, including diet culture where it's like, yeah, of course I wish I could change society. But that doesn't really change unless we change ourselves. And so the most important things are literally the smallest moments because that defines our own lives and defines our own relationship with ourselves. And then God willing, that will translate on a broader scale, but it can't unless we change within first.

Zipporah Ruth:

Correct. and I wanna take this opportunity to jump off of that because in your modules, you know, you have all different topics that are related to the Yeah. And, besides for being an embodiment coach, I'm also a health coach, a nutritionist. Mm-hmm. And so like physical activity, rest, sleep, nourishing your body in all different ways. It's not something that's new to me, but going through the modules, right In this experience of The New Sexy, it was beautiful because I was able to look at everything from a different lens because

Rebecca Sigala:

mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

I'm a different person now going through this process, so, wow. Yeah. So even though the information and material is not something new, but I was able to really have, I guess, different takeaways and because the way you present it is so beautiful and natural loving, I was able to experience it differently. It was very interesting how I was like, okay, I know this, but then I'm like, no, I'm showing up and I'm still listening and doing it. Wow. it was really beautiful. It was really refreshing and that's why I think this kind of work is so important, like. People could even do The New Sexy like a few times. I know some women have because yeah, you're always in a different place in life, right? Different things are going on. You're gonna be looking at it differently and there's always layers. Um, absolutely. And it just, it's really beautiful how you bring all the pieces together and I was able to like witness that was for me it was, it was a bonus. It was like an extra plus. Like I wasn't expecting that, you know?

Rebecca Sigala:

That's amazing. Yeah. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. first of all, thank you for the compliment. And also I'm so happy that was your experience because I know as someone who is a coach and on my own healing journey, that it is so easy to walk into a situation, be like, I know that, I know that, I know that. and it doesn't serve us because then we don't get that opportunity to see things through a new lens and go deeper in that stage in our lives. So I really resonate with that. but we live in the age of information. Any information you want, you can get. And what really makes a healing experience is the relationship, the way that someone brings the concepts forth. If you resonate with it, if you trust that relationship, that person yourself, it's way more in my eyes about the relationship and the experience than. The information, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Correct. You could chat, you could, and also how you give forth information, but yeah. Yeah. I think it's just something good to think about for ourselves because I think it is very easy going into a new situation, being like, what are all the modules? Like what am I gonna be learning here? And deciding whether you're gonna do something based on that. But That's not really the point. Yeah. Which is not what you did. I don't even think you knew what the modules were when you joined. Nope.

Zipporah Ruth:

End up working out for me. Extra bonus. Yeah. Yeah, I did, I did. Yeah. You could learn the same book. Like there's a Certain Sefer, like a Torah book that I learn every single day and I'm finishing it for the second time. And my daughter asked me like, why do you keep on learning the same thing? Like, it's not boring. It's a very big book. It takes a year. Which book? It's Tanya.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm, love Tanya.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. So it's Kabbalah based Torah wisdom, like really good stuff. Beautiful. And my daughter's like, why do you keep learning the same thing? And also I learned it in different ways as well. I was like, because every year you show up differently if you're someone who's growing through life, right? Yeah. You could read the same sentence a year later. It's just gonna hit differently. You're gonna have a different message. Something different's gonna resonate with you. And I really feel the same way about the work that you do. Like I really, I, I mean, I've done it once, but maybe in the future I'll do it again. I don't know. Yeah. But it's that thing because you're always gonna be in a different place in life. Right. And there's gonna be something else that you're gonna need to hear that's gonna resonate with you. Something that you're going to need to discover about yourself so that you can show up differently. Yeah. From a deeper place of love. And it's just, you know, it's, that's amazing.

Rebecca Sigala:

That's so amazing. So I'm curious, you had this breakthrough of, I don't need to earn this stuff anymore. And you're also going through the modules and taking the things that you want and the things that you need. Was there either any more really big breakthroughs, Were there any other really big breakthroughs? There are. I mean, they probably don't even need to be big. They might be small, but became something that were significant.

Zipporah Ruth:

because I feel like I had this really, really powerful moment in the first session that really, set the tone for the rest of the sessions. yeah, not just the sessions, but really for every single day how I showed up. Because beautiful once I had that breakthrough, once it landed, it like became part of me. So then wow, every day as I'm showing up, as I'm waking up, as I'm going to sleep, as I'm choosing to move my body, as I'm choosing to eat, as I'm choosing to not be in the presence of someone who's gonna bring my energy down, I just showed up from a place of grounded confidence. Mm-hmm. You know, I feel like it's very intertwined in there because like I just, I felt that love, right? Mm-hmm. And I hit upon that love in me and then every day, nourishing that relationship of fun from a place of pure love within myself. So it's like, I discovered it, right? Like what you said landed, and then it was just kind of like kneading the challah dough, you know, nourishing it and being with it and really beautiful every single day. Like really everything that I'm doing and showing up is from a totally different place. I'm happy I had that then, because it was so deep and so profound and it really affected the Entire three months plus of The New Sexy.

Rebecca Sigala:

really? That's incredible. Yeah. That was actually my second question. So you answered it pretty much, but it was, How did it actually affect how you showed up? And I think you pretty much just explained it, that you didn't have that barrier that maybe you might have had before to doing things and treating and relating to yourself from a place of love.

Zipporah Ruth:

Right. Because until now, it's more like, connected with the deservingness and the worthiness. It's more like also like proving in a way, right? Mm-hmm. Like I deserve it, so I'll prove to myself or prove to that person, like, you know, even if, let's say someone Speaks to you in a certain way that you don't like someone talks down to you. Like if you're coming from a place like, I don't deserve that. Right. Which is also a good place to come from too Uhhuh, but your response will be different, right. If you're coming from a place like whatever, like I know who I am, I love myself, I'm good. Like with all my imperfections and everything. Like, you know, it's like, yeah, that's such a, a

Rebecca Sigala:

different energy.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, correct. The energy is just like very different. Like just fully embodying that and showing up from that place is just incredible. And like I say, you never know when your breakthrough will come, so don't expect it to happen. Yeah. Like let's say on the last session or three sessions in, it could come in the first, who knows? But if you're not fully embodied in the TNS experience, right. Chances are you'll miss it.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. What does that mean to be fully embodied in it? I have an idea of what you mean by that, but just for the people listening, I think, Something that comes to mind is just, kind of like, slowing down or taking what you need and not feeling like, oh, I need to prove that. Like I did every module perfectly and I came to every single thing and you know what I mean? Like, letting go of that perfectionist mentality. Was that part of it?

Zipporah Ruth:

For me, definitely. I feel like again, if you want to create change, you're going to need to show up and be consistent, right? Mm-hmm. So it's taking off the, perfectionism of proving to others, right? Mm-hmm. Even proving to yourself of a place of, like, when I'm proving to myself, it's like the checklist place, Right. Um, yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

People, and then also I think people think that's like a good thing too,'cause they're like, oh, it's not proving to others, but I'm just, I'm proving to myself, but I think it's still a very similar energy of like, I'm not enough.

Zipporah Ruth:

Right. Sometimes it's necessary. Sometimes it's needed, like, kind of like how I needed to hang onto the deserving before I got to this place where I love. So I feel like there's a time and place for everything, but generally you're coming from that checklist, kind of proving method, to scale that back. but again, also To take the steps to show up and be consistent if you want change. Right. Because if you're just gonna sit back and be like, okay, I'll just show up to every session. That alone for some people is a consistency piece.'cause some people are not consistent. and if the work gets heavy, they'll just fall out, right? Yeah. And they'll just, like, they'll show up. So for some people that alone is enough. But again, I feel like it's, the more you put into anything, the more you're gonna get out of it. Mm-hmm. So if you show up to every session, like fully, and you hear, and you take in and you participate, right?

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

if you can, try your best to tap into the meditations that you put us through. Mm-hmm. Right? Obviously, the more you put in, the more you'll take out and the more messages you'll receive. Going through the modules again, going through modules from a place like, I'm listening, I'm gonna do the thing, I'm gonna take whatever I can get right now. Like, I need to sit and listen 20 minutes every Wednesday and then do the journaling part time. You know what I mean? Because like, that's very much like me. So, yeah, for me not doing that, but still being embodied in the experience, which is showing up and doing the best you can. Being consistent with it, but not from a place of pressure. More from a place of you'll like this, from a place, from pleasure, right? It's like, hmm, this feels good. Not

Rebecca Sigala:

pleasure. Right?

Zipporah Ruth:

That's great. This feels nourishing to me. This is a yummy meditation. You know what I mean? like, ooh, like this feels good. Like I want it, you know? Not like I need to do this because I want to.

Rebecca Sigala:

Did these thoughts about your body start to shift?

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, definitely. I just thinking about that before and I don't know when, I can't pinpoint to like an exact like, oh, session five. But I'm definitely in a very different place that I was, I feel physically lighter. Um, wow. Yeah. And I, I'm not something that goes on the scale, so I don't even know if I like lost weight per se. but I feel lighter in my body. that makes sense actually. Yeah. Because I feel like the heaviness around the thoughts around that, right. That we're just mm-hmm. Manifesting itself over time, gradually dissipated because you're doing, before, it's really

Rebecca Sigala:

hard when people tell me like that, but I just feel so heavy and I, I need to lose weight. And I'm like, okay, like there's a lot of things happening here, but you're so right that a lot of it is the emotional heaviness. Yes. That's definitely, and then also when you take care of your body from a place of self-love, you actually do physically feel better.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. And I think that's the key pointer for me, because again, like I'm someone who's been living a very healthy lifestyle already for a nice amount of years, so it's not like I'm doing anything differently. Like, I always start my day drinking warm water and I always move my body and, you know, I always do the things.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. So it wasn't like

Zipporah Ruth:

I was doing anything differently on paper.

Rebecca Sigala:

Okay. This is interesting.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. But because I was showing up from a different place, from a different mindset.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Like,

Zipporah Ruth:

so it was more like the ease and the flow for me. That's what, that was Very, yeah. That was a, a big, there was like a rigidness

Rebecca Sigala:

that was a heavy emotional burden that you didn't

Zipporah Ruth:

realize. Yeah. Correct. I think it was just like a combination of everything, to like. I need to be healthy. I wanna grow old in good health. I don't wanna get cancer, God forbid. Right. So I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try my best. and now it's like, I feel like it's also surrendering to it. You know?

Rebecca Sigala:

did you ever have that fear that if I love myself, or I love my body completely, that I'm gonna let myself go? I don't remember you bringing that up, but I'm curious because I think a lot of people do have that fear.

Zipporah Ruth:

Um, I can't say that it was a conscious fear that I was aware of. I mean, I'm assuming it was subconsciously there, right? Yeah. Because otherwise we can't just surrender to, to be

Rebecca Sigala:

right.

Zipporah Ruth:

You know? Yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

there was a reason for the rigidness, which is. I have to be healthy and I have to be doing it this way and like that makes sense.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

yeah. So that's a big thing that you kind of like surrendered to that.

Zipporah Ruth:

It's a very big thing. Yes. like how I chose to survive through life is by the planning and the controlling and the being and I'm gonna try to do everything right. And, you know, so even though thank God over the years, like doing the deeper inner work, it's coming from a different place. I'm not as rigid or as the perfectionist minded, but I really feel, again, like this is another of the missing pieces or the gap that joining TNS, really gently closed for me.

Rebecca Sigala:

That's amazing. Wait, okay, so you were talking about how these thoughts shifted and you were just thinking about that earlier. What were you thinking about?

Zipporah Ruth:

well, a, I don't, not thinking about getting a tummy tuck, so that's

Rebecca Sigala:

like

Zipporah Ruth:

great. That's really great. Yes. I'm just thinking about the different steps that I did and how I felt throughout the TNS. That led me to this point. I think one of the things also is when I started feeling uncomfortable in my stomach area, I wear more constricting, like shorts or like spanks or like high wasted underwear to like feel my lower stomach, which I was uncomfortable with, is like being held in like tight. Mm-hmm. Right. Because I'm not comfortable with it, like the constriction. And then throughout the TNS, again, I don't remember exactly the timeline, but I was like, oh, hell with this, like my stomach needs to breathe. Like, it felt like the heaviness was sitting there, the tightness, and I'm like, I just like, no, like I think it was also pretty early on I was like, done with this. Done wearing the tight leggings or the tight shorts and I'm like, let my body,

Rebecca Sigala:

it's almost easy in a way because you became into a certain alignment or understanding of yourself and then those other things just. were easy to let go of. Yeah. did it feel challenging at any point?

Zipporah Ruth:

It didn't feel challenging. I think that once I gave myself the permission to just be right and accept myself and love myself, like I feel like the deserving the worthiness piece was removed, I'm like, okay. Like, mm-hmm. Yep. This is me. Like, what? You know, let my body breathe, let my poor stomach breathe. Like, just be, you know,

Rebecca Sigala:

I'm thinking about, weddings that I would go to and wear the Spanx and at the end just feel like an actual physical pain all over my body because it was so constricting and it's like, oh, well, like this is what you have to do. It wasn't even like a thought that I wouldn't do something like that. Now it's totally the opposite. So I'm so with you on that.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. And I was actually at a wedding a couple months ago, even before I did the TNS and a guest at the wedding was saying something like, she couldn't breathe in her dress, which is you hear, and then she's like, yeah, I'm wearing two Spanx, two full body spanks on the Oh my god. poor woman. And she's an older woman. And like, it was really Wow. It, it just heartbreaking, you know, like

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

To someone to feel, and doesn't matter what body size you are. Yeah. Dark, thin and still put on one or two spanks. But it's like really that like shook me, you know? I wasn't even wearing one, I was wearing tight shorts, but for me, my tight shorts were like her two spanks, if you think about it.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. It's really, it's really heartbreaking. I'm with you. Yeah. Wow. I don't think you told me that about those thoughts shifting yet, so I'm just kind of reeling off of that. That's incredible.

Zipporah Ruth:

This is why these talks are good. Yes. That I like, I actually fully took hold of that, you know, it was just became like part of it,

Rebecca Sigala:

self-love saves you so much money.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes.

Rebecca Sigala:

Seriously. It's like

Zipporah Ruth:

so much money.

Rebecca Sigala:

Endless. How much Oh, you'll appreciate

Zipporah Ruth:

parents. Yeah. I was cleaning out some things in my bathroom and I found something that I had a long time ago that I used once. it's some kind of silicone stretchy thing that you're supposed to put on your neck from side to side. Oh my god. Like for a couple hours. So like tightens the skin on your neck. And I remember trying it once. I'm like, this is really uncomfortable. I don't even think I kept it on for how long you're supposed to, I took it off. You're supposed to like wash him. It's like reusable. And I never touched it again, but I was like, okay, maybe one day I want it, then I found it a few weeks ago when I was cleaning it. I'm like, oh. Like there was no second thought. I just threw the damn thing out I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? Like, oh, what? I'm gonna send a torture my neck with this stupid silicone shit. Like, like a torture device. Yeah. Literally.

Rebecca Sigala:

what are we doing? once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes, yes. Literally, I feel like I'm on the other side. Whoa. I can see the light.

Rebecca Sigala:

Amazing. The best cult ever. The self-love cult. Yes. Join TNS. Exactly. Yay. How did this embodiment of your healing and your work impact your work?

Zipporah Ruth:

Hmm. for me, it really impacted in a way that I show up with much more empathy. Mm. It's again, I think part of the, not the mask, but like the proving or certain things that I was hanging on to, that you use to show up like part of the, like a resiliency piece. not necessarily coming from a place of true love. It's more, again, from the place of proving so when you're hard on yourself. So for me, removing that piece of proving perfectionism again to myself, not even for others, allowed me to show up. Of course, I'm showing up for myself from a place of love, so there's more kindness and caring and empathy.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm. And this

Zipporah Ruth:

reflected as well, um, course with my family, but with my clients because wow, you're on the other side and you can only meet someone Right. As deep as you met yourself.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

So working with clients, and sometimes, you know, there could be a little challenge or a difficulty or something that I, of course would normally think like, just, why can't you do that? Or why can't you commit to that? Like, thinking right from a coach's, you can relate, you know, I'm like, oh, come on, girl. Like, I could do it. Like you know, you could do hard things, but now I remove that judgment, right? Because if I'm hard and hard myself, whoa, I'm just like, literally

Rebecca Sigala:

feeling how powerful that is in my body.

Zipporah Ruth:

Okay. Continue. Keep talking.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah,

Zipporah Ruth:

keep talking. Listen, we're human at the end of the day, so we can be the best coach, right? But ultimately we're gonna have our moments where we're gonna feel a little judgy, right? Or we're gonna feel whatever it is. again, if I'm feeling judgy to myself about myself, how I'm showing up automatically, there's gonna be parts within my coaching with my clients, with my family or friends, that that's gonna reflect back, but I can see when working with clients that, let's say a client would say something where normally, again, I wouldn't tell this to them, but I would be thinking my thoughts. I might not be so nice more judgy, like I don't have them. As much and as often or as hard. It's more like I could be like, okay, it's easier for me to, to show up really, from a place of like authentic, empathy as opposed to like, okay, let me put on my coaching. Like mm-hmm. You know, oh my God,

Rebecca Sigala:

I've been on the receiving end of that. I've felt that before for sure. Right. So like, it's the worst'cause you don't really feel seen.

Zipporah Ruth:

Correct. Right. And you can try as much as you want, but if it's not authentic, then you're gonna feel it. Right. And we've been, yeah, many

Rebecca Sigala:

times. Oh yeah. That's why I was feeling how powerful that is because when that judgment of yourself softens and then you're able to give, it's literally giving yourself love and being able to receive it and then. Being able to give it. it's just this beautiful flow and cycle. when you're able to do that, it just gives you the ability to help them on such a deeper level.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yes. Because you're not judging or overriding where they're at at that moment.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. Just allowing them to be, and they always have full control of the reins, but it's also you're holding space for them from a place of love.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. It's It's not like I'm here to fix you or I'm here to change you. It's, I'm on this journey alongside you and I see you, I'm here with you. Yes. And that is so powerful.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. And that's something that I feel that you really, embody

Rebecca Sigala:

in

Zipporah Ruth:

your coaching. Mm-hmm. You know how they say a good coach guides you to your goal and a great coach walks alongside you.

Rebecca Sigala:

Wow.

Zipporah Ruth:

And that's really what I felt joining the TNS, like, you're not just guiding us to our goals and showing us the end mark. And like, Hey, just do the steps and you'll get there, but you're really there alongside us with us. Sharing as well from your personal reflections. just holding space and giving direction when needed and knowing your place

Rebecca Sigala:

mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

Is huge and mm-hmm. You don't see that often in the coaching world, like fully. Mm-hmm. from a place of real, like authentic place of love.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

It's not just that you wanna see your clients reach their goals or like, you know, get to the end, but you want them to feel it and you're feeling it with them. Mm-hmm. And you're helping them feel their feelings so they can feel like Wow. When they reach the end.

Rebecca Sigala:

Thank you so much. That's such a beautiful compliment and yeah, I'm speechless honestly. Thank you so much. One thing you said was like getting to the end

Zipporah Ruth:

and I'm like, oh, not end, end. Because

Rebecca Sigala:

there's

Zipporah Ruth:

really no end. That's,

Rebecca Sigala:

it's not why, it's not like, you know, I just feel like with so many programs it's like, make this amount of money, lose this amount of weight. Like it's so intangible. That's not this work.

Zipporah Ruth:

yeah. No. When I meant, end I meant like if you're signing off for the three month program, you have your goals. I'm saying it for the viewers, you know, to clarify. Yeah. that you can do this work like over and over and, and it's good to do it over and over different places in your life. Because again, the work never ends. Like

Rebecca Sigala:

life happens. Yeah. I saw something recently. It was like healing. goes in circles. You keep coming to the same places with new eyes. Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. I knew that you understood that, but Right. I think that's what I've realized throughout doing The New Sexy for the last two and a half years is that it really is about the journey. So cliche. It's not, I know it's not about the destination of the journey, but it really is like in those very small moments that you even described like, am I gonna do this or am I gonna do this? You know, how can I think about my body right now in a loving way? Like making those small micro choices for yourself. That's what is actually so big and powerful, and they do add up to this whole bigger picture. Like now you're sitting here and you're like, actually I'm not even having these thoughts so much anymore. I'm less judgmental of myself. I can just be literally the biggest things that if I told you, you know, four three months ago that that's where you were gonna be, you'd be like, whoa. that's incredible. But it didn't just all of a sudden come one day, it came in. All those little moments.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. I'd be like, okay, that's nice, you know? And all of a sudden, here I am and it actually happened. Yeah. It's just, it's like you're saying, it's part of the journey, so trust the process. Trust the process. Yes.

Rebecca Sigala:

So after going through this process and being where you're at right now, what would you tell yourself three, four months ago? What advice would you give yourself?

Zipporah Ruth:

Well, I would tell myself to trust my gut because it's always right. And to, just be brave and take the next step that, you know, you need to take and trust it. And to be okay with the process, To go in with the right intentions, like this is my intention, but without expecting a specific outcome.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

And trusting that the process will lead me to wherever it is that I need to go.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm. That's,

Zipporah Ruth:

and looking back then to where I am now, that's exactly how it played out, because. I was a good place then. And I'm like an amazing place now'cause it's from a place of flow and direction and like deep alignment with yourself. yes. So it's a place of trust, place of being connected to your intuition, but it's kind of like, you know how I said like a close the gap gently, so it's mm-hmm. Like what you said, a place of really full, embodied alignment.

Rebecca Sigala:

Hmm. What's your definition of sexy now? Hmm. I've never asked anyone that on the podcast. Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

Why

Rebecca Sigala:

have I not?

Zipporah Ruth:

I know It's a good one. My definition of sexy now is, I don't wanna say unapologetically me, because I feel like that's also sounds like a little cliche, but on the deeper, the deeper things are cliche for

Rebecca Sigala:

a reason.

Zipporah Ruth:

I know, I know. So it's that, but the deeper definition to that would be what I really, fully, truly feel is radical acceptance of self. To me, that is sexy. And when you feel it, you can see it like in some other people, you know, it's like when someone walks in the room and they have that, it's like, wow. Damn, that's hot. Yeah. Yeah. That is my moments. Did you have the definition

Rebecca Sigala:

moments that for yourself recently? I'm thinking if I had an actual, actual, I'm think of like something that came up. Yeah. Like when you went to the conference and you were taking the selfies. I was like, oh, oh yes. Damn. Oh, you

Zipporah Ruth:

see

Rebecca Sigala:

me

Zipporah Ruth:

these things already like part of me and feel so good and feel part of me. It's like if I have to think of a moment, it's hard even for me to think of a moment because I feel like I've like really truly embody that. Yeah. traveling alone by myself, being away, not knowing anyone. New environment, new state, new place, new people. Lots and lots of people.

Rebecca Sigala:

For everyone who doesn't know, it's a, Coaching conference. Party. Yeah. It's like this wild, they

Zipporah Ruth:

call like the Burning Man for like, female entrepreneurs. but it's like TED Talk plus rave. It's like wild. There's like over a thousand women there. Couple men, but mainly women. The energy is hot and fire and there's a lot of women who come with their whole posse and their whole groups and their cliques and their thing. it could be really

Rebecca Sigala:

empowering or if you're not in a good place, I could imagine that it would be challenging.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. It could be very challenging. especially for going by yourself. Showing, yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

So you went by yourself,

Zipporah Ruth:

you didn't know anybody. I knew of one person that was there that was like hosting something. Yeah. But I didn't even connect with her at all over the few days that I was there. Wow. I just knew she was gonna be there, but. It's not like I went with her or went with anyone. that actually was wild. And I don't know if I would fully be able to appreciate the experience and learn and grow as much as I did if I hadn't been in The New Sexy and the place where I was. in my life. I feel that the experience would've turned out very different. I don't even know if I would've necessarily gone myself. Wow. And like showed up every day like that. I was able to be present with the experience, like fully, you know, if I would've gotten myself a few months ago or a few years ago, I wouldn't have been able to like fully be there.'cause you know, your mind goes other places, right? When you're not like fully, fully grounded and like confident in your body, like mind, body, and soul. So being that I was able to do that, participate and be present in this wild, wild experience alone by myself is really, now I'm getting emotional. Yeah. Well it was, it was really, really, it was wild. Wild. The whole experience. And

Rebecca Sigala:

so you being able to just show up, be yourself, be confident, like on the next level, it translated into this like sexiness a little bit. Like Yeah. I don't think people realize that.'cause they're like, what does sexy have to do with it? but then you posted some selfies and I was just like, Ooh. it didn't seem like it was to prove to anyone. Didn't seem like it was for anyone. It was like you and your power.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. And it was really meaningful as well because, you know, I'm Jewish, I'm orthodox, I'm observant. Yeah. And, I just showed up as I am who I am. You know, of course there's this other factor of what's going on in the world with antisemitism, but I still wore my story, but that's very important to me. Wow. And I wore my, I have a beautiful star that I got in Prague and I switch over between this necklace and that one and I always wear it. and I wore it and I still dress modestly how I would dress anywhere else.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

and again, like this is not to judge anyone who goes into different environments and dresses differently.'cause everyone could do their thing. And I'm not saying that I, I don't do that, but everything felt like so authentic and real. Like, this is me. like. If you're gonna judge me or not like me or whatever. Like I don't, it wasn't even a thought, like, I don't care. Like, I wasn't even thinking oh, what's, if someone's gonna comment or what's if blah, blah,

Rebecca Sigala:

blah. Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

And then there's other people that might comment like, why are you in this place? Right? Like, is that like appropriate? You know, you, you get back, which I had gotten. You can get backlash from both sides.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. Which I

Zipporah Ruth:

was like, I wasn't even letting it play out in my head. Like, what's if or what's, I'm like, this feels good to me. I wanna show up to this event. This is what I'm gonna wear. This is what I'm gonna do, this is how I'm gonna take care of eating in kosher food. This is how I'm gonna do Sabbos, this is how I'm going to present myself. You didn't

Rebecca Sigala:

do anything based on other people's potential opinions or thoughts. Yeah. Correct. It is literally just you.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. And so many times we do that, right? Like, yeah. this is a normal thing in our heads. Like we don't even realize sometimes we do things based off of, we already had the conversation in our head we didn't even realize. And then we'll do the action step based off of what the anticipated result might be, what someone else might think or say about us. Yeah.

Rebecca Sigala:

I was like thinking, I'm like, I was raised that way. I was traumatized that way literally just in every situation, what is someone gonna think and then how do you act? That's how I was raised and I had to unlearn and deprogram that. Yeah, I mean obviously always a work in progress, but to be able to quiet that noise and just know who you are and not need to prove yourself is the ultimate freedom.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. It takes a lot of pressure off of yourself.

Rebecca Sigala:

So much. Wow. Did anyone even say anything about the Jewish star?

Zipporah Ruth:

Oh, you know what? I tested it out actually, besides for wearing it every day. I got a couple of compliments, like, oh, I love your necklace. It's so pretty. Oh, okay. I guess Shabbos afternoon, I decided I'm gonna take a walk. I was in Denver in the city, so I walked myself for like an hour. And my necklace was very noticeable. I was just wearing like a white shirt open with my necklace there. I'm like, you know what? it was like for me also, I needed to do this for myself. Speaking of proving, but not from a place of proving, for part of being okay with like every part of being who I am.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah. So I

Zipporah Ruth:

just walked, I walked the streets for like an hour, and from when I left my hotel, which I was a little nervous

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

Till I got back, like I left and returned with a different feeling,

Rebecca Sigala:

which was

Zipporah Ruth:

like, I left with a little hesitation, right? Mm-hmm. A little bit like nervousness. I walked for a half an hour. I turned around. My walk back was, the whole experience was very empowering. I felt like with every step. I was physically taking, I was taking a step closer to my true essence, like as a Jewish woman in this world, in this era, in this age. everything about me. literally I'm thinking like

Rebecca Sigala:

mind, body, soul. Like everything.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yes. Whoa. Like the thoughts, the feelings. the walk out was like a lot of undoing, right? And the walk back was kind of like a reprogram.

Rebecca Sigala:

it's very spiritual. I find that this journey is, I don't know if you resonate, but so intertwined with our relationship with God.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. And that came at a perfect timing. It was a deeply spiritual experience, and of course it was on Shabbos, so it made it like even greater.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

Because I was by myself. There was no phones. Again, I'm not proving, I'm not documenting, I'm not holding anything. I'm not holding onto a thing. It's just like me. Right. and God in this world.

Rebecca Sigala:

Amazing. I feel like that is just such a beautiful culmination of this conversation. What do you want more women to know?

Zipporah Ruth:

I wish more women would feel how I felt. I like the feel.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah.

Zipporah Ruth:

Instead of no Right. Embodiment. It's like that information. We know the information, we know it. Yeah. We know it. We can chatGPT it. Yes. I wish that more women would feel how I felt during that session when you said, right, it's not about Deserving, just about love. It just like stripped away. Like any limiting belief. Right. Any subconscious factor that made me feel like I needed to prove or deserve. I just like felt like love, and I wish that every woman, every person can feel that so deeply.

Rebecca Sigala:

Mm-hmm.

Zipporah Ruth:

Amen to that. And I know everyone can and will, as long as they continue moving forward on their journey, they will get to that point.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yeah, absolutely. that is amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you

Zipporah Ruth:

for being this messenger, the messenger of this, beautiful divine experience of Exactly. such a pleasure where I needed to go and what I needed to hear, and I'm so grateful that it was through you.

Rebecca Sigala:

Thank you. I'm so glad we connected. I really feel like from the first moment you reached out, it did feel like this just meant to be divine connection. I'm like, oh yeah. Like this is exactly who it's supposed to be in The New Sexy, and you were. So you the entire time. And I just appreciate that. I appreciate that you trusted me, but even more importantly, like you really trusted yourself and you trusted the process and showed up for yourself and even other women, and it was just incredible to witness. So thank you. Thank you for being you.

Zipporah Ruth:

Thank you for creating this space, this sacred space. Mm-hmm. And I wish everyone has this, opportunity to, meet you and experience this beautiful work. and again, I'm grateful that you were the messenger, so keep, keep showing up, keep doing the work. Thank you. Is, uh, thank you

Rebecca Sigala:

so much.

Zipporah Ruth:

Yeah. Like you said, it is spiritual and Literally doing God's work because you're helping guide women back to source, which is their true love. And there's nothing more. And you

Rebecca Sigala:

too. It's just that beautiful ripple effect that we love so much. Yeah,

Zipporah Ruth:

cliche and all.

Rebecca Sigala:

Yes. Yeah. There's lots of cliches here, but I think there's so much more depth to them than what meets the eye. And I just think this conversation was amazing and I hope that women take exactly what they need from it. Just like you took exactly what you needed and just. Went with it went all in on yourself. So yes, it was really, really amazing. So thanks for coming on Of course, Okay. we'll talk soon. Thank you. Yes.

Zipporah Ruth:

Okay. Have a great evening.

Rebecca Sigala:

You too.