How Kidney Trauma Can Cause SI Joint Pain: A Visceral Therapy Conversation

In this powerful episode, Lynn unpacks a deeply moving clinical session with Beth Anne Fisher, PT, that reveals how early-life surgery, organ consciousness, and unresolved fear can show up decades later as SI joint pain and pelvic floor tension. Rather than “fixing” the body, Lynn listens – allowing the heart, kidneys, and pelvis to communicate what they’ve been holding onto all along. Through imagination, gentle dialogue, and energetic awareness, profound shifts occur without force or manipulation. 

The conversation challenges conventional approaches to pain by showing how organs, paired structures, and the nervous system shape stability and healing. You’ll hear why kidneys are often overlooked in SI joint dysfunction, how muscles protect rather than cause pain, and why precision isn’t always the path to resolution. 

This episode is a reminder that the body is intelligent, responsive, and deeply relational. If you’re curious about visceral work, trauma-informed care, or a more respectful way of listening to the body – this episode will expand how you think about healing.

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About the Speaker

Beth Anne Fisher, PT, DPT, CSCS, WHC empowers women in their 30’s to 50’s who experience abdominal & pelvic issues to reconnect with vitality, strength, and confidence in their bodies, so they can move, love, and live with freedom again. With 17 years of experience specializing in holistic pelvic health, she helps women with postpartum concerns, leaking, prolapse, painful sex, endometriosis, and other pelvic issues reconnect with strength, confidence, and vitality.

Her work integrates conventional research-based pelvic floor physical therapy with approaches supporting uterine alignment, digestion, circulation, and nervous system regulation. Beth Anne emphasizes education and self-efficacy, guiding women to trust their bodies and participate actively in their own healing.

Guest Speaker’s Website: https://www.bethannefisher.com/

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Transcript

Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode.

Today I have with us Beth Anne Fisher.

@4:17 - Beth Anne

Beth Anne is a physical therapist. She has been, how long have you been a PT, Beth Anne? Oh, over 20 years.

@4:24 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

20 years. And you have studied a lot extensively with Baral, the Baral Institute, learning visceral manipulation and all their wonderful courses.

@4:33 - Beth Anne

And Beth has taken some courses from me and you are currently practicing in Denver, Colorado. And Beth and I just recently, so Beth took my courses early on when I first started teaching back in 18, 19, I think, somewhere in there.

@4:49 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@4:50 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@4:51 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And then, um, uh, and then we haven't seen each other in a really long time. And then just in December, we were

were both taking Gail Wetzler's Pregnancy Postpartum course, which really should be Fertility Pregnancy Postpartum Baby. I mean, it was so comprehensive, you guys.

I absolutely loved her course. It is, I would say, a more advanced course for VISTA practitioners. But if you have been in that curriculum, please check that out because it was really, really good information.

In fact, you said you had something that really shifted for you during that.

@5:27 - Beth Anne

Do you want to share that? Yeah, the first day of the course, I had no idea, but you mentioned the fertility piece.

And that's always been a strong interest of mine, having trained in my abdominal therapy and some other things besides.

And so I was really struck by the endocrine balancing. And I actually have struggled with menstrual migraines for four plus years.

That's the only time I get them pretty much. And for the first time in four years, you know, we're still like juries out.

@5:59 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

But I think.

@6:00 - Beth Anne

didn't have one last month, and we didn't an analysis class, so I think there might be a few factors in there, but I strongly suspect that that was one of them, so yeah, really fascinating.

@6:13 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, the body is, and that's why we do what we do, isn't it, because we absolutely love the mystery, and the, you know, it's a big puzzle to me, and I love puzzles, so.

Yes. And then Beth actually reached out and got on my schedule, because do you want to tell people what were you dealing with, and why you chose to come have a session with me?

@6:33 - Beth Anne

Yeah, I just, I have some ongoing issues with SI joint pain that pops from side to side at different times, and, you know, usually I do pretty well, but had quite a significant pain response, for whatever reason, a month and a half ago, and just was trying to work through it with all my tools, and of course, from hearing you.

Thank In my head and other folks in the, in the visceral curriculum further on, and having been a pelvic health therapist, I checked my cervix position and it was way off to the right, as right as it could be.

@7:13 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes.

@7:14 - Beth Anne

And I thought, oh, I can't, I can't reach it. know, there are times as practitioners when we need help from others.

And I thought, well, I'm just going to see if Lynn's schedule has an opening and get her opinion and help on this.

@7:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So that's when I came to your office because my cervix was. Way off to that. Right. Yeah. And have an SI joint issues.

@7:35 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@7:36 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@7:37 - Beth Anne

The connection. It's been impressed from, I think your podcast and your work very strongly that, you know, and from Brawl, that SI joint issues are, are, I have good results in my practice when I work more with uterus, cervix, uterus, sacral ligaments.

Yep.

@7:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Absolutely.

@7:59 - Beth Anne

Just the SI. So I knew with that connection that I wanted someone to take a look who understands that connection intimately.

@8:06 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, yeah. So it was such a cool session. And that's why I asked Bethanne to come on the podcast to share it with us because you also had a very, so as I did my standing assessment and it felt a little twisty, twist going on in your body and standing, but I was also really drawn.

As I scanned the lower back, I was kind of drawn to the kidney area. And then, you know, then you laid down and I really got drawn into the left kidney area.

And well, actually, first we got drawn into your heart. This is where we start, Beth, So my hand landed on your heart in your womb and I could sense that that heart just wasn't settled in your chest area.

So I encouraged Beth Anne to check in. And you did. And, and you were noticed. And where it was at, but I really got the intuitive hit that it was from your history.

And do you want to share people what your, what happened to you when you were a baby or a toddler?

@9:11 - Beth Anne

Yeah. Well, I was born with three kidneys and we didn't know that initially and actually I've learned my mom has three kidneys.

So there's this genetic anomaly. The challenge is that there were two kidneys that were connected by a lobe. So I'm told on the left side and each had its own ureter to the bladder.

One of those two kidneys was not really functional. And so it was, um, kind of feeding garbage into my bladder.

And as an infant, I was getting bladder infections and maybe had a kidney infection as well. The history is a little bit fuzzy, but it was not good and it needed to come out.

So then I was put on antibiotics for over a year, um, until they felt this would be. So thinking about pediatrics and surgeries in 1980, they at least wanted me to be two years old for particular reasons.

And so then I had the kidney removed, the extra one on the left.

@10:15 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. And so when I had my hand on the heart, that surgery, that two year old really popped into my awareness.

And so Beth Anne wasn't tuning into that. And so I just kind of asked her, you know, what does your heart have to think of or feel about that surgery?

@10:36 - Beth Anne

Yeah. And then you, what, do you remember your response? Yeah, no, I remember, yes, I remember the first piece was at that little kid, like, not being told and I was having an image of all these masked people around the table, the operation table, and like not knowing who they were and not love some it I

Having that vagal connection with these people who were opening my body. And it's just, it's beautiful the role that imagination can play in helping us to orient what we're sensing.

And so, yeah, there was this piece of just feeling really disconnected and feeling like no one told me this was happening.

And, you know, I don't know these people and I don't want to be here.

@11:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And what's happening? Yeah. And so I asked her, I'm like, well, what would that two-year-old want?

@11:34 - Beth Anne

Yeah. Yeah. And first she wanted to be told what was happening. She wanted to be with her mom, of course.

But then what she really wanted was to, like, still have this image clearly in my head that came up while you were working on that area of sitting on a blanket in like a play area with all my surgeons.

And they're wearing their scrubs, but they don't have masks on. And we're just playing and, you know, they're helping me to warm up to that.

And I mean, stuff that, you know, wouldn't happen in reality, but it could sense somatically that it was opening my system.

And there was a natural point at which then I found myself on the operating table and feeling this connection with the providers that were taking care of me.

Like it just flowed into that place after a few minutes.

@12:24 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And what I noticed in my hand is that your heart just settled into the chest. That happened when you were actually playing with them in your imagination, but your heart just totally settled.

And then my hands got drawn into your kidneys.

@12:40 - Beth Anne

So my one hand was underneath your back and, you know, it was just tuned into both kidneys.

@12:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And what I just noticed right away was that your left kidney was just energetically pulling up towards your head.

@12:58 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@12:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

and. Yeah. Yeah. And then. And I confirmed, I think I knew like the left side was where the others, where you had the two kidneys.

@13:06 - Beth Anne

Yes.

@13:07 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And, and as I tuned into that kidney, you know, trying to move up towards your head, I really like tuned into what I, what I was noticing and feeling in that kidney and actually started laughing because, do you remember that?

Yeah.

@13:25 - Beth Anne

I was like, what?

@13:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, right. I know, but it was, it was kind of like the kidney was afraid and it was running away.

@13:34 - Beth Anne

It thought it was going to get taken too. Yeah. And yeah.

@13:39 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And I was just like, Oh my gosh, just, you know? And so I shared that with you. Well, I think I tried to have you tune into it first.

@13:47 - Beth Anne

was having trouble with that when there's a lot of material for me around that left kidney and a lot of work that's been done.

And then a lot of like, I, I just, it was helpful in that moment to have your sense of things because I, I wasn't able.

@14:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so then when I shared that with you, I was like, well, it just feels like this kidney's trying to hide.

And like, it felt like it was going to get taken too. And then your response, do you remember what you said after that?

@14:17 - Beth Anne

Um, I've, I'm trying to remember the, the recall I have right now is there was this, um, pervasive sense that I've had my whole life for a lot of reasons, but I think this was one of them of like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Like, when is it my turn? Based on what you were saying, like, what, when are they coming for me?

Like, when is my, when is this kidney, you know, that's going to happen to me too. So, so that idea of waiting for the other shoe to drop is, has been a concept I've worked with, um, personally a lot.

@14:54 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. And I think there's something tied up in this with that as I've been reflecting since we've worked. Yeah.

I do remember you saying, I do, you know, yes, that was a part of it. And I remember you saying at some point going, oh, it's missing its buddy.

Do you remember that? Yeah. And it was like, oh, you know, like it didn't know, like they were friends, right?

@15:19 - Beth Anne

They were, they were connected.

@15:21 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right. And then all of a sudden it's gone. Right.

@15:24 - Beth Anne

And, and then it's like, well, wait, don't take me too, you know? Yes.

@15:29 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so we had to do some dialoguing with the left kidney to help it to understand that, you know, that kidney was actually hurting it and, you know, and then helping it to say goodbye to it and be okay with it releasing and then letting it know that it's not going to be taken.

And then our next step with that, and then the kidney did soften and it relaxed on the left side.

And then we introduced it to the right side. Do you remember Yes.

@16:01 - Beth Anne

And yeah, and actually that's come up a lot just as a contemplative moment in life since we met just, you guys are to, you know, kind of nurturing the awareness of the connection between the two, but that maybe is a few steps ahead.

@16:17 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. No, no, no. That's where we're headed. But that's, you know, that when we have paired organs and I learned this from Tammy Lynn Kent and her to work with the ovaries and we can apply that to any paired organ in our body.

And that's where we went was, you know, we, we first checked in with, well, does the left side even know there's a right side?

@16:41 - Beth Anne

And I don't think it did. I don't think it did either.

@16:44 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@16:44 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@16:45 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so then we kind of got them connecting and checking each other out and, and that was just so beautiful.

I don't know what you felt in your body, but in my hand, there was just kind of this, like, oh, they both kind of like.

Yeah, that's congruent with my experience too.

@17:06 - Beth Anne

was kind of some softening and almost actually what I was feeling was a lot of tingling under like good, good, pleasant tingling under your, where your left hand was as we were kind of helping this dialogue to unfold and that tingling spread kind of across the spine at that level of the kidneys.

And then spread to the right side. And I can't remember if your hand was going with it or not, but even so, it was just a really interesting kind of like connection, creation between those two.

@17:43 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And that's, that's what I was feeling. That was kind of fascinating. Yeah. So I love the body. Thank you so much for sharing this comment because it was the coolest session.

@17:54 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@17:55 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Okay. So then, you know, we got your kidneys nice and happy. Yeah. And then it was like, okay, we're done here.

And then I went down into your pelvis and, um, and I don't remember much externally. If you do help, help me out.

Like, I don't think there was that significant of a difference in your joint mobility, left side to right side in the SI joint, right?

No, cause it's been shifty anyway.

@18:21 - Beth Anne

It'll be right left and I, yeah.

@18:25 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Um, and we checked in with the uterus. And I think there was a little bit of, um, a little bit of tension in the uterus externally during my, I know a fundus I think you felt was also off to the right.

Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. And it was restricted. So it didn't, so like right broad, right utero sacral. So I think I did do an external utero sacral ligament release on the right side.

Yeah. And that kind of helps soften that, that uter, the fundus a little bit more. And then we went internally and, um, right we to right then we gut.

gut. went went Thank We found the cervix way off to the right-hand side. And you've also, I hope you don't mind me sharing this, you've also had tension in the pelvic floor.

So insertion has always been challenging for you.

@19:13 - Beth Anne

And I remember, like, I could only get one finger in.

@19:17 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so I was doing what I could with the one finger. And there was a beautiful softening. I did the internal utero-sacral releases.

And there was a nice actual softening of your pelvic floor muscles.

@19:36 - Beth Anne

Yeah, both sides. Which was, that left side is usually the one that's impacted with the dyspareunia. So, yeah.

@19:44 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Beth, I'm pausing the recording, because I don't know if you want me to share about that hymen tissue.

Oh. Or do you want me to, we can just leave that out. But I just wanted to...

@19:56 - Beth Anne

Yeah, guess leave that. That feels... I mean, I don't know, I'm still exploring that part.

@20:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

We're going to just talk about the muscle. That's what I just wanted to confirm.

@20:08 - Beth Anne

don't want to see. right. I mean, that's a part of, yeah. And I've been thinking about that, but yeah, I think I need a little more time with that one.

@20:15 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Totally get that. Okay. Going back to resuming. Thank you. So the, yeah, both sides of the muscles just really just melted.

And then I actually was able to get two fingers in and, and just worked on helping that cervix to have a little bit more mobility in there.

And you know, it's been, I don't know how old you are, but I would imagine, and have you rechecked it since?

@20:40 - Beth Anne

I'm 47.

@20:41 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You're 47. Okay. But you know, like how long has that cervix been over there was my point with this, you know, like who knows?

@20:48 - Beth Anne

And have you checked it since, do you know, is it still, did it go back or is, has it actually, I haven't checked it yet.

I was kind of wanting to give it some time. It feels like. Like, I mean, stay tuned. It feels like it's in a better place.

My SI joints have been amazing since I saw, like, I actually, you know, I was like, do I or don't I?

I did go for a little run with the dog that afternoon, felt really, really good. I was able to go to my strength class, felt really good.

It's been good since I saw you, which is pretty cool.

@21:24 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, I, I think it's important because I know from my own personal experience, I had an issue with my right SI joint.

And I went to a practitioner who knows how to scan the body and work in the way that I do.

She's worked with me, and she studied with me, but it was my left kidney. And my left kidney was causing right SI joint pain.

@21:47 - Beth Anne

You're left kidney. Yeah. Yeah.

@21:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

But what, so what the point I'm making is that, hey guys, if we have SI joint instability, check out those kidneys.

I don't know. You're right. Oh, exactly. You know, mine wasn't structural at all. Like there was no physical issue going on, but there was, I had, we did a visualization and I worked with what showed up in my kidney.

And after releasing that, my SI joint pain went away.

@22:16 - Beth Anne

So I'm a believer.

@22:18 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

get that. Yeah, I guess. So I just want to make that point, everybody like, huh, you know, if you've worked with the SI joint and you've worked with everything else and you're still having instabilities there, please check out those kidneys.

Yes, totally.

@22:33 - Beth Anne

And was feeling before I was able to connect with you and I was really kind of investigating the pain with curiosity that I suspected the kidneys were playing a role.

Um, so it's fun to actually hear you share of your experience because I'm like, yeah, these things are, I mean, we know about the fascial connections.

It was interesting to get more into the emotional. So a little bit, though, too, with the session that we did and just, like, the interplay between the two or lack thereof that may be contributing.

@23:11 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@23:11 - Beth Anne

Do you mean the two kidneys? The two kidneys. then how that impacts, because, you know, even in speaking right now and listening to your helping this to unfold, it would be one SI joint or the other.

@23:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It would be one kidney or the other.

@23:28 - Beth Anne

And if there's not a lot of cross-communication between the two, somehow in my mind that makes a lot of sense that it's not just one side.

It's going back and forth, in my experience, because these kidneys are like talking to everybody except each other.

@23:44 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, right. Well, we also, and I teach, and I know Burrell teaches as well, if the kidneys aren't happy, the psoas muscles aren't happy.

Like, if the kidneys toast, which means they slide down, they come inferior. They're what That

@24:00 - Beth Anne

They will activate the psoas muscles. Right.

@24:03 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so that was definitely happening for me. Okay. Well, and what's funny with that, Beth Anne, is that I didn't really manipulate the kidneys in this session.

You know, it was just tuning into them. And I think that's the biggest piece I want everybody listening into this podcast to understand is listening to the energy of the organs, of the extremities.

And it's like, what do the tissues want to do? That's the question we need to be asking as we put our hands on people's bodies.

And that when you learn to tune into the energetic response of the tissues, they guide you.

@24:48 - Beth Anne

Right. They do.

@24:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And then there's no guessing. It tells you, and it's like, oh, there's something going on. Like, it was so loud in my hand.

And it just, it's like. Wow. That's really pulling up towards your head. And then as I got curious, I go, wonder why?

@25:05 - Beth Anne

And then I like to, and I'm like, Oh, it's trying to run away.

@25:08 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It doesn't want to be taken either.

@25:11 - Beth Anne

Like, yes.

@25:12 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh, if only, if only surgeons understood the consciousness of our tissues and our organs and what they're doing. And, you know, I, it would be a different outcome in surgeries for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So, so Bethanne, tell us a little bit about, your experience, if you don't mind with the, the visceral work that you've done, the stuff that you've learned from me, how has that impacted your practice and work with your clients?

@25:41 - Beth Anne

Yeah. Honestly, doing your class back in 2018, like was my introduction to any kind of visceral work.

@25:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I had, I had studied with Tammy Kent and then I had gone and done my abdominal work and that was, that's visceral in its own right, but it's not so osteopathic,

@26:00 - Beth Anne

So then I took your class, and of course, my mind was blown about letting tissues lead. You know, I've been a PT a long time, and I actually spent 15 years in ICU, which is a whole other animal, but we tend to learn to be directive with our patients, meaning telling them what to do, and I was kind of over that at the point that I started connecting with your work, and like, well, if the body can tell us what to do, I'd rather do that.

Yes. I just didn't know that was possible, having come from a different background, and so I, 2018 on, then I started working with Brawl, because of course I wanted to learn what you were teaching, and I wanted to take it to another level, and really get into the anatomy, and really get into the dynamics of what's happening, because I'm just, I'm quite the learner.

And so that filled in. Yeah. Some of the curious whys and gaps in knowledge that I had, and I continue to, you know, flesh that out.

But, you know, to be really honest, Lynn, I use your work all the time. Your way of assessing the pelvic bones is, for me, like, if I don't know where to start or, you know, my listening takes me somewhere funny or whatever, like, check the pelvic bones first.

See what's happening there. It's a great starting point, and honestly, it's often a great finishing point. know there are sequences and things, but sometimes the body has its own way of sequencing things.

But I really, really learned how alive bone is from your work. And I certainly have some really cool stories, even in the recent year, that I've been really dedicated to some of the brawl work and the practice that I'm working in right now with my colleague.

Yeah. because And, you that that Don't were into and kind of, summoning is the wrong word, but summoning kind of you in the space of being with some of these women postpartum who were many years postpartum and seeing me for other things, but then like coming back to their first birth being really traumatic and not even doing much except holding containment for those bones or noticing the hardness, right?

We've taught, you talk about that so much and then listening for what that bone wants to do and it, bones really do soften.

It's very cool.

@28:34 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes.

@28:34 - Beth Anne

I know.

@28:35 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I'm addicted to that.

@28:37 - Beth Anne

Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing I think that was really helpful for me was when you talk about the hierarchy.

It was the first time I had heard about like the hierarchy as far as the nervous, and you can fill in if I'm saying this wrong, but as far as the nervous system is concerned, like the hierarchy of protection, well, the muscles are at the very bottom.

So I'm always telling people Patients now, like, hey, you know, muscles are usually protecting something else. They only do what they're told.

So while we can work with muscles and it's not bad to work with muscles, it's generally not the place to start.

And even in my session with you, remembering that I was having a lot of psoas or hip flexor issues along with that, we didn't work on that.

And I'm always trying to tell patients that too, like, hey, if it's this psoas, it's probably something else. There were so many starting points to my shift into this work that I owe a lot of credit to you helping me land those things for the first time.

@29:43 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And they've just continued to be true as I've continued to work with more bodies. Oh, that's so great. Thank you, Beth Anne.

I really appreciate that. Yeah, it's, it's such beautiful work. The body is absolutely amazing. And I think the more that we can listen to it and just tune into it.

Thank you. The greater the results that we get with the people on our table. And, and that's, you know, I just, I'm so honored to be a part of being able to help people to shift to this new way of working with the body that I find is a lot more respectful.

@30:18 - Beth Anne

Agreed.

@30:18 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, you know, and yeah, and I love how much you have gone on and taken it and, you know, study the Burrell curriculum, everybody is just incredible.

And, and I have to say, I felt a little, not out of water, but at Gail's course, I just don't work in that way, you know, and, and, and, and so I feel Burrell's work is very specific, very, you know, you gotta find precise, that's the exact word.

Yes, Beth Anne, it's very precise. Yeah. And I am not a precise therapist. I'm, I, I, I'll say I'm more of a.

A general globalist, you know, or global. And, you know, and so I work with the tissues in the way that resonates and works best for me.

And, and then if I, if I'm not getting to the root cause or something's still up, I have my people that I can refer to that are more precise with that.

And so I, you know, I share that and giving people permission to work in the way that works best for you, you know, honor yourself.

And, you know, and, and that's why I'm okay for those people that don't get me don't, you know, want to go down this path, right?

We all have our way of working with the body people and, and it's all perfect. So do what do you and do what feels right for you, you know, and if this resonates with you, I'd love to share what I know about working with the body.

So, Beth Anne, thank you so much.

@31:52 - Beth Anne

Is there anything else you want to share before we say goodbye? Um, I don't think so. Just thank you for the opportunity to share.

And it was kind of nice to reflect together on the arc of our path crossing and recrossing and just being able to geek out a little bit about all the things we're learning and how bodies are really cool.

@32:15 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And you make a huge contribution to in my world.

@32:19 - Beth Anne

And I know many others because I've talked to other people who've done your courses and it's just it's beautiful work.

And I'm I'm grateful very much.

@32:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So thank you. Thank you, Beth. I'm so grateful to you, too. And thank you for coming on here and sharing your experience with us.

Sure. I it was such a fun, cool session. So I'm so grateful. And your back's doing good now, right?

@32:42 - Beth Anne

Yeah, it's doing good. There's there's a little piece that kind of we're back to that's a lot more tolerable.

That's kind of around the pelvis, but it's a different thing. And it's you know, it's a it's an opportunity for continued exploration.

But I'm back to all my things and I'm working through it. So, yeah, it's I'm very.

@33:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

grateful. Yeah. Thank you. Well, it's always a journey, right? There's always layers. We all know, right?

@33:07 - Beth Anne

that's okay. It's learning to be okay sometimes with the layers, too.

@33:11 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Awesome. Well, I'm so grateful to you for coming on and sharing your experience. Hopefully, those listening in have taken some golden nuggets from this.

And I just hope that we've expanded some minds here with these ideas.

@33:25 - Beth Anne

I hope so, too.

@33:27 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Thank you, everybody, for listening in. Here is to smoother bursts, faster recoveries, and to listening to the body and enjoying the wonder and the mystery that the body holds for us.

@33:39 - Beth Anne

So thank you, everybody. We'll see you all in the next episode. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye.

@33:45 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

All right. Cool. That was awesome.

@33:48 - Beth Anne

Yeah.

@33:48 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So good. I loved rehashing that session with you. My perspective, your perspective. That was fun.

@33:54 - Beth Anne

It was really fun.

@33:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@33:56 - Beth Anne

Yeah. I've been reflecting on it a lot, and I'm glad it... ... ... came together and in the conversation.

@34:01 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So I hope, I hope that will work for your purposes. Oh, it's perfect. Absolutely. Perfect. So thank you so much.

Awesome. All right. Well, stay in touch. I hope it's not as long next time when I see you again, I know, I, you know, I wish I was going to be around it.

@34:18 - Beth Anne

Missy shared that you're going to use her office for your thing.

@34:21 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I think I mentioned, um, Stephen, I'll be coming back from Hawaii.

@34:24 - Beth Anne

So we're going to Hawaii for two weeks.

@34:27 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh, good for you.

@34:30 - Beth Anne

Overdue and, and we're really excited. And yeah.

@34:32 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Awesome.

@34:34 - Beth Anne

Well, I'll think of you in the space and I hope it works out well for your class.

@34:38 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Thanks so much. Yeah. I'm so grateful to Missy to host us.

@34:43 - Beth Anne

So I'm so glad it worked. I mean, that was that class too. You're like, I need a space. I'm like, maybe ours.

I don't know.

@34:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I'm glad it all connected. it did. did. So awesome. All right, my dear, you take care.

@34:56 - Beth Anne

Okay.

@34:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Thank you. you. So much love to you. All right. Take care.