Embodiment Before Exercise: What Clients Need First

If you work with pelvic pain, chronic pain, trauma, high-performing athletes, or clients who don’t fit the protocol, this episode will help.

In this powerful conversation, Lynn Schulte sits down with seasoned Occupational Therapist, Elizabeth McBride, of North Texas Therapy Innovations to unpack what it really means to work with neurodiverse populations in pelvic and orthopedic practice. They explore masking, sensory processing, executive function, trauma, and why many clients are profoundly disconnected from their bodies – even when they are elite performers.

Episode Highlights ✨

• Why a directive, protocol-driven approach often fails this population
• How sensory integration and pelvic health overlap more than we think
• The importance of building safety first with neurodiverse clientele
• Why embodiment and nervous system regulation must precede strengthening
• How your own grounding directly impacts clinical outcomes

This episode challenges us to blend orthopedic skill with psychological awareness – to provide therapeutic support that matches our clients’ needs.

If you’re ready to expand how you think about regulation, trauma, and embodiment in your practice, press play.

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About the Speaker: 

Elizabeth McBride is an occupational therapist with nearly 40 years of clinical experience and the owner of North Texas Therapy Innovations. She specializes in sensory integration, manual therapy, and pelvic health, blending decades of hands-on experience with a deep understanding of neurodivergence and nervous system regulation. Known for her creative, whole-person approach, Elizabeth integrates craniosacral therapy, myofascial techniques, and executive function training to help clients move out of fight-or-flight and into embodiment. Her work bridges sensory processing, trauma-informed care, and pelvic health for both children and adults.

https://www.sensorytherapydallas.com/about-us.html

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Transcript

@8:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So that is our focus. We have some amazing speakers lined up, and I know that you're going to get a lot out of the weekend.

So I hope you'll join us May 2nd and 3rd. So save the date. We'll be opening registration soon. So please look out for that.

So now let us dive into this episode. Elizabeth Mcbride is an occupational therapist. She is in Dallas, Texas. She has almost been an OT for almost 40 years.

She's very close. And she is the owner of North Texas Therapy Innovations. Welcome to the podcast, Betty, as you go by, right?

@8:36 - Elizabeth Mcbride

I know.

@8:37 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's so goofy.

@8:37 - Elizabeth Mcbride

I have a lot of names. that's so goofy. Hey, you, you know, whatever. Funny lady down the street, whatever.

@8:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, I'm so glad you're here because this is, I think, an important topic that we as practitioners need to be aware of.

And that is working with neurodivergent clients. So how did you get into this? And what do we as practitioners need to know about these, these clients that are neurodivergent?

And maybe even want to explain what that is, too. Yes.

@9:09 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Well, I pretty much came in the back door. I started, you know, like everybody wanting to be a PT a million years ago.

And I found out what OT was. And I was like, Oh, no, that's creative. That's me. And so I got into it.

I thought I was going to do sports medicine. Well, no, I did feeds because, you know, that's what you do.

And I love sensory integration. So I have been, I've been SIP certified. That means sensory integration practice tests certified.

Oh, probably 34 years now. So that's a big thing. You can't even get that anymore. So it didn't know it's because I won't go down the trail.

But anyway, I have treated kids that looked autistic, but we didn't have that name back in the day.

@9:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. For years and years and years.

@9:52 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And now I know what they are. I like, I understand there's like three levels. All these other things. So I still treat 50%.

I'm actually considered neurodivergent because I'm ADHD and learning disabled. So, you know, we've got these two ends of the spectrum.

This is kind of how I see it as a practitioner. We've got the autistic individuals, the ones that can talk to me are always right.

I'm never right. And then over on this end, we have this little hyper people, ADHD, but some of those are really just can't focus.

So we've got all this going on and everything in between. So I always say I'm the average person treating the most brilliant people in America because I just worked with one this week, little guy, and it's like you have to come in the back door because you have to just let them show you what they can do.

You cannot tell them what to do because they're not going to listen to you. That's what I mean. You know nothing.

And I have that right here as a pelvic health therapist. Also, I know nothing until I really till they really start to trust me because they love this word.

called masking, especially women that are autistic. They have masked all their life. That means they have been able to get along with the world.

Now, you and I can get along with the world really well. I mean, I'm super extroverted. I can talk up a mile.

I can have a fun time all the time. You know, I always call it the party in the back room in the treatment gym.

And yes, and we do have a zip line through it, by the way. So we're always having a fun time back there.

just like five practitioners going. super fun. But they don't trust us yet. So that is our big deal is getting these people to trust themselves.

And also teaching them how to go back and enjoy their inner child. I hear exciting things all the time with that.

So really, as practitioners, when we work with this population, you have to be half psych, half fizz deads. Oh, okay.

@11:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So I was just at combined sections meeting for the APTA. And that's our annual conference. And And There was a talk on pain languages, and this doctor or this therapist does research around pain and what the messages of pain is really all about, and it was so good, so fascinating.

But I loved his statement, Betty, was, you know, someone had asked, well, how do we, isn't this therapy, you know, like psychotherapy versus physical therapy, and are we crossing a line by going into psychotherapy?

And he goes, you know what, we're physical therapists. Sometimes it's physical, sometimes it's therapy.

@12:36 - Elizabeth Mcbride

That's a great way to state it. I love it.

@12:38 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I love that too. I do.

@12:40 - Elizabeth Mcbride

I always call myself as an OT. I call us the Jell-O people. We go between every kind of therapy and doctor and pull them together.

In fact, when my patients get off the table, you know, today I had one, and she was just like, I really am Jell-O, just like you always say.

And then I said, well, what color do you think you are? And she goes, I'm rainbow, you know.

@12:59 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I'm rainbow.

@13:00 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And she is, she thinks she might be on the spectrum. So she's like, well, I'm rainbow. I was like, that's so wonderful.

And I asked, what color are you? What color are mine? She goes, well, you're even more vibrant rainbow than me.

@13:11 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh, that's whatever.

@13:12 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah.

@13:13 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@13:14 - Elizabeth Mcbride

But I just feel like we have such a creative way. And it's like, you know, people are always asking me, when are you going to retire?

I'm like, never, because this is a, this is a gift. It's a gift to be able to put your hands on people and get them out of fight or flight.

And that is the coolest part. you know, I, before I got into pelvic health, because I I'm late to the game here, you know, I've probably four years been, been working on it.

And, um, it was kind of a natural occurrence, but, you know, people will come lay on my table and say, oh, you're the best pelvic health therapist I've ever been to.

And I'm like, I am just doing cranial because I've been a cranial therapist. Oh, probably 28, 29 years now.

And I've done lymph drainage, visceral manipulation, myofascial, you know, I've done manual therapy for. You know, in my fashion, I think it's like 37 years.

So yeah, you know, I've just been doing it forever. And it kind of really mixed in because I was always trying to get my kids to lower their engines.

It's that before or rev their engines back up. And it's the perfect way to do it. You know, like I can do it in my big gym, like sit on a piece of equipment with a kid and put my hands on them.

Also, you know, they always called me the poop queen because I can always get a kid to poop that couldn't poop.

I this is way before I thought about being a pelvic health therapist way before. Yeah. Just because of cranial or myofascia or whatever.

@14:37 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah. It's all connected. And I really, I personally, and I know you've taken, I think almost every course I've, I've written, but, um, you know, our hands are between the skin front to back.

We're, we're making effective change on every single structure between our hands. So, you know, there, yes, there are cranial techniques.

Yes. There there are. Lymph drainage techniques and visceral techniques and everything. But I think once you get to the point, you don't really separate the techniques as much, you know?

And I kind of call it the Betty McBride way, but it's not.

@15:15 - Elizabeth Mcbride

It's like the Lynn, because, you know, I just took Lynn's big, long course. The birth healing intensive.

@15:22 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes.

@15:22 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And it was amazing because she really does an amazing job pulling it all together, all the different types of therapy.

And she actually works on everybody being able to feel that energy between their hands, you know? And, and it really does because it's, it's as a pelvic health therapist, 99% of my people, when they come in, they do not want me to do internal work.

They want me to really just work on the trauma from all the things that they have had over the years.

So that can be done and it can be done distance wise too. It's, it's super cool. Yeah. But it's so neat because I can sit with a nonverbal person and work on them away from their body and, you know, while they're in the room or while they're gone, because I have a lot of nonverbal individuals that really can't describe what's going on, but their parents are like, but they're making huge difference.

And we're talking, these are individuals that are 25, 28. They're older and like, you know, at special schools or at work programs, things like that.

@16:27 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So it's really fun. That's awesome. Okay. So a neurodivergent person is someone on the autistic spectrum or a learning disability or any learning disability.

@16:41 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And it can be like, it's anything with a disability.

@16:44 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Okay. Yes.

@16:46 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yes.

@16:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And it's this huge list now. Yeah.

@16:50 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And during COVID it got much bigger because everybody had time we're online. And it's amazing how many people decided they were neurodivergent.

And, you know, testing is coming out of the wazoo at this point of people and, you know, people come in and I'll go, I would have never thought that.

But then I think back on it and go, oh, yeah, yeah, you are, you know, and, and, and, you know, like, I never really thought I was until they all kept going, well, you are too, you know, because you're ADHD and this.

I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay.

@17:25 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So, Betty, do you think that because you are in that, that you relate better to these people or, you know, what is it that we as practitioners can do to better relate to clients that possibly have this, you know, neurodivergence?

@17:41 - Elizabeth Mcbride

It's kind of just taking that, that, just take off the, I know everything out of your brain.

@17:48 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Okay.

@17:49 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Remember, their body knows it all. They're, they do know it all. You know, like when you put your hands on, they know it.

You don't. And the body does not. And, What is our term? Does not tell lies.

@18:02 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so their brain's mind.

@18:05 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Now they might be telling you that, but their body's not going to tell you that.

@18:09 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, what I find with, I've only had a couple that I can think of right now that I've worked with.

To me, they are very disconnected from their body.

@18:20 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Exactly. As I always say, they're the absent-minded professor in a lot of ways. They're a brain, but their body, like they're usually, sometimes they're uncoordinated, but sometimes they're not.

And see, that's what I have to snag them on for insurance, because I still take insurance. You have to snag it on and that kind of thing, because I'm still not able, I can, I can now Bill Sykes, supposedly, but you have to snag it upon something that in their clinical observations or some kind of test that says they've got deficits in these certain areas, you know, and most of them are not going to tell you the trauma.

But they. Like coming to me because I don't need to hear all the trauma. They're just going to let their body do the work.

You know, they don't want to really relive all the trauma. Most of them, some of them do. Some of them love telling you everything, you know, it depends.

Yeah. Yeah.

@19:16 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I actually have a client that is on that spectrum and she is coming to me. She was a, um, she's done the coast to coast bike ride with a, you know, with a team and, you know, 60, I don't know, 11 days, 11 days.

so many hours was like the fastest she's done from coast to coast, but 11 days on the bike in that position.

And, you know, I find this in, in extreme athletes as well. Like they are very disconnected from their body because they've just got to push her body beyond the limit so they can't listen to it to be able to perform the extreme sport that they want to perform.

Her head, she could not hold up her head because it was like, her muscles had fatigued so much during this.

And, you know, and she was actually coming to me for pelvic. Well, her therapist was bringing her to me to help her to connect in to her pelvic space.

But I've had to start with her neck and shoulders first. To even, you know, get her in touch with her body first, before I could even go down into her pelvic space.

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And like, I've seen her multiple sessions, and I think it was probably like the eighth session that we could actually go into the pelvis.

@20:42 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah, and I do use a tool, it's called the sensory profile. And there's one there's one for, you know, babies, middle range kids, and then adults.

And it really tells me if they're too high in a certain sensory level to low in a certain sensory level.

I mean, it's an amazing great. Thank you. I'd love, you know, to share this with you sometime, Lynn, just how, how it works.

And cause that's part of my eval and, and it really gives me an idea of where they are, but that's the least of my eval.

Usually when I come in on an eval, they want treatment. And I agree with you on that. They don't want me to, cause I had this one patient, she came in and she would only let me touch her left bottom rib.

That was it. That was where I got to start. That was it. You know, cause she'd had so much trauma.

She'd masked so much. She's very good at verbalizing everything to me, helping me come out with names of things, all kinds of stuff.

I let my students run a lot of their capstones with her and all these kinds of things. But anyway, so I started there, but now like I can do her head.

can, I've had her for three years, all over her body, everywhere, you know, and, and then we use the male female side of, you know, we've done all kinds of great work.

And, you know, she is just, she's blossoming. It's amazing. She's a totally. I have a thing called the Beamer.

I use it, and I have some other frequency items that I use for energy work. They love that. They love sound frequency.

I have, like, six different sound frequency things that I've been certified in, so I use a lot of that.

But, you know, it's just being open and really collaborating with other practitioners that are working more in that neuro area of sensory integration, sensory processing disorders, where you have to go, and really think out of the box, I'm going to be type B, not type A.

And sit back and let that body talk to you. Don't. Okay, that's what you mean by type B versus type A.

@23:43 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So type A is more, we're going to direct this, we're going to do this, A, B, but we're going to, you know, impart onto the body, versus part B, just being more passive and more receptive to what the body's trying to tell us.

@23:57 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Exactly. Exactly. I find these, these clients don't really know their body and they don't know what their body's trying to say.

@24:06 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So if anything, these clients really need us to be able to listen and read the story of their body and work with them in that way.

@24:17 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Right. And I also know when they come in, they want to lay on the, the adults want to lay on my table.

They want to be worked on. And so I have to slowly move them into some, eventually some exercise and some other things to actually aid them throughout the time, even doing our pelvic bowl sweep, those kinds of things.

I have to, to direct them to this and, and, you know, those kinds of things and work them in on getting them back to the back room.

So we can work on some more executive functioning to actually help them embody themselves.

@24:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. What, what, do you find by doing executive functionings?

@24:57 - Elizabeth Mcbride

How does that help them embody more? Um. Well, I used one odd thing. I just did it before I came on here.

So I wouldn't have word finding problems because I have that. It's called interactive metronome, and it helps the two sides of the brain to actually talk to each other better.

So, you know, we'll start with exercise once they get used to enjoying that I can get them out of fight or flight.

And I also find out where are their points of pain before they walk in the door. And where is it out of 100?

You know, instead of a out of 10, I use 100 scale. So like, you know, like, is it jaw, neck, lower back?

You know, those kinds of things. And then I also do anxiety. I always do anxiety. Where are you with your anxiety?

And so and then at the end, I get the score. So I show on my note, since I have to do insurance.

Yeah, yeah, how much progress they have made. So insurance doesn't have to worry about and I always put some physical, not just some mental.

Yeah, you know, because anxiety, they might not let me do. And, but I think executive functioning goes right along with getting the body cordial.

Coordinated because your executive functioning gets better as your body gets more coordinated and the two halves of the brain talk to each other more.

Yeah.

@26:08 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. I love that brain gym. Wasn't it called brain gym?

@26:12 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah. That's a great one. It's a great one. Yeah. Yeah.

@26:14 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Doing opposite hands to knees and cross crawl and a lot of, yeah.

@26:20 - Elizabeth Mcbride

I send a lot of people back to crawling. I, you know, we, yeah, I really do. I, you know, like that will be part of their exercises, you know, that I give to.

And some people will don't do the exercises. I know I'm in PT right now. I don't do the exercises as well as I should.

I, you know, of course I'm at B minus. Yeah.

@26:39 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

@26:41 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Awesome.

@26:42 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

What else do we need to know as practitioners when we encounter clients that have this diagnosis for us? You had said something about like, you find that a lot of people that have nerve that are neurodivergent, that they have a lot of trauma.

Yeah. Yeah. And they do a lot.

@27:01 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And a lot of it is just from the masking that they have to do. But other of it might be from what happened in school to them, or how parents treated them, or even some of the types of therapy they had to endure as children.

And you hear all kinds of stories. And there's, I mean, because I, I treat a lot of adults that, you know, the reason I got to this point is because my kids that I worked with all grew up.

And so they're still coming. Some of them are still coming to me. So they're not kids anymore. They're adults, you know?

Yeah. And, um, so yes, that, um, you have to listen to them and believe them and just be a safe place for them to tell you what happened to them, you know, and do refer out.

That is another big one, you know, just refer out to counselors, psychiatrists, you name it. You have to have that list.

So, you know, I've got my EMDR therapist. I have, you know. And pelvic bowl, getting the person into that pelvic bowl will get rid of so much anxiety and trauma.

@29:09 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You can just work through that, all that from the Tammy Lynn tent, right? Yes, I know. Pelvic care is amazing.

@29:18 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah, I send people to that book all the time now. You know, one chapter at a time, just read these chapters.

I'm always like little tiny pieces of it, you know?

@29:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah, I love that because it truly, like for me, my goal with my clients is always to see if they can't get down to the bottom of their bowl and live from the bottom of their bowl.

@29:42 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And very few people are actually doing that in this day and age.

@29:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And I can't even imagine with everything that these clients that are dealing with this, you know, the neurodivergent.

@29:56 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And, or the sensory, I call it sensory processing because that's the overall, but.

@31:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And if we are not weight bearing through the pelvis, our shoulders actually become weight bearing structures in our body.

And it's, it's so foundational that we need to get people connected to that pelvis, we need to get that pelvis nice and happy and, and moving freely so that and stable, that we can live from there like that truly is our home.

And so even no matter what the diagnosis, our clients come to, it really does all come back down to getting us embodied and in to the bottom of our pelvis, our bowl.

Right. And in good alignment throughout.

@31:38 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah. You know, and I mean, even though I'm an OT and y'all are specialists in that area, I can, I can look at people.

And so, oh my, okay.

@31:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You know, that kind of thing. And I, I know when to send a PT, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think OTs, OTs are great for pelvic health and what they bring to that, to that picture.

And, and I think there's a lot of amazing OTs out there.

@32:00 - Elizabeth Mcbride

That are doing amazing work in pelvic health, right? Yeah. We all have the capacity to do all of this.

@32:06 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Um, if we so choose. So yeah. Awesome.

@32:11 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Any last little tidbits, any last little information that I really don't be scared of what sensory processing, sensory integration, find some good podcasts, listen to them and try to understand, open your mind up because it is very neuro.

@32:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's not as, it's not as orthopedic.

@32:30 - Elizabeth Mcbride

As a lot of pelvic health is. And that's where I've had to come over. Oh, I got to be a little more orthopedic here.

And I kind of realized I don't have to be, but you know, it's like, but we have to realize that, um, the mixing of the two is where it looks like it's going now is that we have to mix, you know, the site, we have to miss mix the sensory along with the pelvic health, because we're looking at the total person, not just.

Yeah.

@33:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Because really all people want is to be respected.

@33:03 - Elizabeth Mcbride

They want to be loved and respected. And no matter what the diagnosis, no diagnosis, they just, that's what they want.

And our hands are allowed to do that. And it's such a privilege to be able to just touch somebody and allow them to feel respected and feel loved.

@33:19 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Oh gosh. I remember you and I connecting on that love piece and just our touch is that, that love flowing through our hands.

And, and that's, that's really the ticket for everything. And I do feel that the sensory processing issues that are in some people, they don't like being in touch.

So we got to get creative and figure out, you know, what's, what's the angle. I love you say coming in the back door.

@33:48 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah. And everybody has sensory issues. It's just, some are more heightened.

@33:54 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes.

@33:55 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And then there's other little issues on top and I don't ever, I try not to look at people. For their issues, I try to just go, okay, well, what's going to take us to the next level?

How are we going to get there? You know, how, you know, that kind of thing. Just like for my kids, I always tell the parents, you know, if we work on you and get you out of fight or flight, it's going to make you, your kid go so much faster, you know?

@34:16 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So, yeah, that's so true.

@34:20 - Elizabeth Mcbride

So that oxygen mask, you know?

@34:22 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. Yeah. Take care of you first before. I always wondered how psychotherapists that work just with children. I'm like, how does that even work?

Because it's the parents that you really need to work with. Yeah.

@34:35 - Elizabeth Mcbride

You need to work with the whole family. Yeah.

@34:38 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And you can't just, but there's always a way in, right? And if the parents not willing to do their own work and, oh, just fix my My kid.

@34:47 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Right. Got to start somewhere.

@34:49 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right.

@34:49 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Right.

@34:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Exactly.

@34:51 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah.

@34:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

We all just have to find a way in. And there, thank goodness, there's lots of different ways in and a lot of, a lot of different.

I know most people that have this diagnosis or have this understanding are aware of it, but is there anything that we should be looking out for in some clients that might not be aware that they're dealing with this?

@35:22 - Elizabeth Mcbride

It's just really hard because it has to be their understanding and coming to it. And a lot of times, if they don't understand it, they will eventually understand it.

Because I've been with so many people when they had their aha moments that, oh, I really am this. And with this day of everybody getting online and looking, it's a lot less than it used to be.

But it is nice to, if somebody starts asking you about it, you can say, well, I do see that you have a lot of problems with touch or light touch.

So you can just start some conversations like that. It's amazing work out there. So it's just like a privilege to be able to work with this, because there's, I don't know many people putting them together for adults at all in pelvic health at all.

So it's kind of a new area, really. Okay.

@37:16 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@37:16 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yeah.

@37:17 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. And so really looking at the vestibular, the balance, the interoception, proprioception.

@37:24 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Like, and then all the, the other, you know, hearing, seeing, you know, smelling, tasting, you know, it's just, it's huge, you know, and how they regulate together, you know, and every day is a different day for that person.

@37:36 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh, that's important for us to know.

@37:39 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Very important because some days they'll come in and it was like the worst day ever. And especially if they haven't worked through their mental health process, that even makes it more, you know?

Yeah. yeah. And we have to make sure that we're as clear as possible when we work with them so we can be there for them.

@37:57 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And what do you mean by that, Liz?

@38:00 - Elizabeth Mcbride

So grounded, you know, like, we have to be grounded. We have to put our feet on the ground. We have to make sure that our pelvic bowl is grounded, that we feel like we can handle this person, you know, and whatever comes because you know what, it's not, it's not about you.

It's about you're putting your hands upon them and with respect and love and, and really just giving to them, but you don't want to give to them out of an empty self, but a full self.

@38:30 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And that's what our birth healing summit is about this year. We're going to be talking about grounding and embodying ourselves and good.

Yeah, yeah, that that's the focus so that we can show up more powerfully to assist whomever is in front of us with whatever they show up with so that we don't get triggered.

And that we can, you know, I always say we can't help someone where we haven't gone already ourselves, right?

@38:53 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Work your process. Yes, get through it. Yeah, yeah, heal yourself.

@38:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So you can be a better person to help. Others do their own healing as well. And so, yeah, that to me is very important for this population.

And, you know, it does feel like it's, you know, people are becoming more and more aware of it. And I think as practitioners, we just need to meet them where they're at, respect them for where they're at, and get creative in how to best approach these clients to best support them in their healing.

And recognize that there may be a lot of trauma in their system that needs to be addressed first. So I love the idea of working with other practitioners to support these clients.

Right.

@39:44 - Elizabeth Mcbride

And just helping them understand big T's versus little T's, big traumas versus little. I mean, just a lot of education with them.

You know, a lot of times you'll be their first stop. You don't know, you know.

@40:03 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So go slow, everybody. Know that the body, try to listen to the body as best we can. Understand that there might be trauma there.

And just respect and offer love to these clients. Yeah.

@40:24 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Awesome.

@40:25 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Awesome. Well, thank you, Betty, so much for sharing your wisdom with us. And so, so grateful for the work that you're doing in the world.

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@40:33 - Elizabeth Mcbride

North Texas is very, very lucky to have you. Well, it's a fun place. It's a fun place to be sometimes.

@40:39 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I want to come check it out. Well, you are. You're coming in October, right? I will be in Dallas teaching.

And yeah, so I'm going to come check out your clinic.

@40:49 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Yes. You can come lay on my table with all the frequency. Yes. Awesome.

@40:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

That sounds amazing. Sounds amazing. All right, guys. Well, come join us in October in Dallas, everyone. We'd love to see you there.

Thank you so much for listening in, everybody. Thank you, Betty, for sharing your wisdom with us, and we will see you all on the next episode.

Thanks so much for listening in. Take care, everybody.

@41:10 - Elizabeth Mcbride

Bye-bye. Bye.