Clinical Mastery with Nari Kaur: Boundaries, Alignment & Authentic Care

How does doing your own inner work help you as a practitioner? 

In this powerful conversation, Nari challenges the traditional, performance-based definition of mastery and reframes it as deep alignment, boundaries, and self-trust. She shares how honoring your unique style, rather than copying others, allows for more authentic and effective patient care. The discussion dives into blending intuition with clinical reasoning, meeting patients where they are, and releasing the pressure to “fix” everything. This episode is a refreshing and thought-provoking invitation to evolve your practice from the inside out.

✨ Key Takeaways for Practitioners:

• Be you, fully: Clinical mastery comes from embodying your unique voice and approach.
• You’re not for everyone: Clear boundaries and aligned clients lead to better outcomes and less burnout.
• Meet patients where they are: Tailor your approach to their readiness – one meaningful step is enough.
• Do your own inner work: Your ability to hold space, stay non-reactive, and create transformation is directly tied to your personal healing.

Join Nari Kaur for the 2026 Birth Healing Summit: Inner Work to Clinical Mastery taking place live online May 2 - 3, 2026 or as a recorded offering when the timing works for you with the VIP Access Pass.

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About Today’s Speaker

Nari Kaur (Clemons), PT and Educator

Nari Kaur has been a pelvic therapist for 18 years. She has been teaching for Herman Wallace Pelvic Rehab for 10 years and loves merging science and anatomy with softer skills. For Herman Wallace, Nari teaches the pelvic floor series, courses she has authored on manually treating the nerves of the lumbar and sacral plexus, and a course on boundaries and self care for health care providers.

Nari’s passion is helping empathic healers to be well as they work. Her interest in this field came from being an unknowing empath, picking up too much from patients, over-functioning and living the archetype of the wounded healer, before finding another way.

She owns Portland Pelvic Therapy, a boutique practice where she combines highly specific visceral, neural and fascial work with the intersection of spirit and held stories in the body. Most of her patients are unknowing empaths who finally heal when they release held stories, often that were never theirs to carry, in their tissues. She also works at a conventional hospital and enjoys the full realm of health care.

Speaker’s Website: https://www.portlandpelvictherapy.com/

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Transcript

Hello everybody. Welcome to this episode. I am beyond excited to introduce you to Nari Kaur, who is a physical therapist in Portland, Oregon.

She also teaches for Herman and Wallace. And she is very passionate about boundaries and helping practitioners to be able to show up more powerfully for their sessions and for their clients.

@2:09 - Nari

So welcome to the podcast, Nari. Thanks for being here. Thanks. I'm so excited to be here, Lynn. It's just always so nice to chat with you and to connect with your community.

I love our connections.

@2:19 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And you've been on the Birth Healing Summit in the past, and you are going to be again this year.

So you're joining us May 2nd and 3rd for the online live summit, and we'll be talking about what you will be covering in that summit.

But before we dive into that, I would like to ask you, Nari, what is your take on clinical mastery?

Because the summit is about the inner work to clinical mastery. So I've been interviewing all the speakers for the summit this year and asking them their thoughts on clinical mastery.

So what did that bring up for you?

@2:57 - Nari

Okay, I'm going to pause for a second because I know you can edit, by the way. It's Nari, not Nori.

What did I say?

@3:02 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Nori.

@3:03 - Nari

It's okay. just wanted to let you know. No, no, no, no, no, no.

@3:05 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You know what we're going to do? We're going to stop the recording and we're going to start all over.

@3:10 - Nari

Super easy. I was like, let me just try to put in a pause so she can't.

@3:14 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, now I'm confused. Because Nori, Nori. And A or I, Nari. Nari, and I'm saying Nori, like with an O.

Nori, but that's okay.

@3:25 - Nari

That's the safe code. I answer to normally any of it. No, no, no, no.

@3:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I want to get it right. Please forgive me. Okay. We're going to start all over. Anything else you want me to not say or say?

@3:35 - Nari

No, it's probably the core that threw you off.

@3:38 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So it's Nari. Nari core.

@3:42 - Nari

Clemens. I think you just got the vowels in there. I think I did.

@3:45 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. I know you're Nari. I know you know that.

@3:48 - Nari

I know you know that. Yeah.

@3:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Okay. Here we go. Hello, everybody. Welcome to this episode. I am so excited to reintroduce you to. Nari Kor, who is a physical therapist.

She also teaches for Herman and Wallace. She has a practice in Portland, Oregon, and she has been a part of the Birth Healing Summit in the past, and she's going to be joining us again this year, May 2nd and 3rd, and she's got an incredible session all lined up for us, and we'll be talking more about that at the end of this podcast.

But welcome to the podcast, Nari. Thanks so much for being here.

@4:28 - Nari

Thanks, Lynn. It's always such a joy to connect with you and talk with you, and also just to connect with your community.

@4:34 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's an honor to be here. Thanks for having me. Oh, thank you, Nari. I am just super excited about this Birth Healing Summit this year because I think the work that is going to happen and the transformation that people are going to be experiencing is going to be off the charts.

So, but the Birth Healing Summit this year is the inner work to clinical mastery, and what I've been doing is interviewing all the speakers for the summit this year.

And talking about clinical mastery, and what does that mean for the different speakers? So I'm curious, what came up for you when you thought about clinical mastery?

@5:11 - Nari

Panic initially. Because I was like, am I a master of anything? And you know, it's so funny, like, I've just been thinking about this, right?

You know, you texted me to do it. And I was like, oh, yeah, what? Can I have time? I'm like, I think a couple of years ago, I would have been like, knowing all the visceral techniques, or helping those patients that nobody else can help.

Or like being the best, being better, these very masculine, patriarchal concepts. There's a master, there's a best one, there's, you know?

@5:51 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@5:51 - Nari

So then I had to step back a minute, because now I work in really different settings. So I work at a hospital where we take insurance.

I have a clinic where I still do really high-level manual therapy, a lot of trauma reduction in the body, but I am a seer, and so I've started to do Akashic readings with people where we can channel so much from the unseen world and mix that with the manual therapy to help them release the stories that can't be seen or that have been missed by tradition.

@6:30 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And now I'm a menopausal woman, I'm 51, and so I think that, you know, you start to change how you see the world, and I think it came down, as I was thinking about this, about five different concepts.

Okay.

@6:44 - Nari

And the first one was, you can't be everyone, so be you well. I love it, yes. Because you are an evolving, changing person, and so at different times in your life, the part...

Part of you that wants to come out the most will be different. So there was a time that being me well meant really focusing on being amazing with manual therapy.

There was a time that being me well meant knowing all the research and being so good at quoting that back to the patient.

And now there's a time that being me well can also be like, we're in this whole realm of all the tools I have.

Do I want to play today or does it feel right? And so I think I can get really intimidated.

Can I just be honest to the whole audience out there? I get intimidated. Like when I look at the lineup for this conference, I'm like, what am I even doing playing in this realm with these women?

Just like such amazingness, right? Or like Lynn, my reverence for you is so far and wide.

@7:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so I think we can just get so caught up in imposter syndrome. And how does that therapist do it well?

@7:54 - Nari

And everybody is going to have a different place where they're landing. And just knowing that it's a misnomer that one person takes us to the other side, that's the drama triangle model.

And the truth is we are, I'm going to speak as a woman because that's what I am, but I just want to say I'm including all queer persons in this too.

@8:20 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Everybody who has some feminine, some masculine, but like I can speak to being a woman because that's what I am.

@8:25 - Nari

Um, I think we are this collective and we all heal together. We rise together and we need each other to make it through.

And so none of us has to be the one. If I like, I had an appointment with an OB this morning, a GYN, it was like one of the best medical experiences I've had, but I've also had amazing healing from like Akashic healers.

And so like find your piece that's you and honor it and don't try to be anybody else. Enjoy being you and knowing that you don't have to solve it.

Everything. So I think that's my first pearl. I love that.

@9:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So it's so important because we can't be anybody else, but yet we always are comparing and thinking that we have to do it in the way that I do it.

And, you know, when I was setting up my curriculum and setting up a certification, I was talking to different people who had done certifications and they were like, well, every year they have to take a test and they have to re-re-renew.

You know, and I was just like, no, I don't want that. I don't want a hundred mini me's out there.

I want people to take this work and know this work and go make it theirs. Yes.

@9:42 - Nari

You know, like everything that you learn along the way from whoever that is, you need to embrace that and make it yours and throw away what doesn't work for you and embrace what does.

Yes. I like to say, I know you do a lot of manual therapy and I like to say to my students when they're like, what's

What's the pressure? What's the amount? How long do you hold it? And I like to say, you and I, Lynn, and we even speak a lot of the same languages, right?

Like soul sisters here. Yes, totally.

@10:12 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You and I both learned to speak English.

@10:15 - Nari

We learned the same words. I shouldn't use you and I because we're so similar, but I will. So, but then what comes across when we talk to someone is the expression of our soul's content through language.

And I think that manual therapy is the expression of your soul's language through touch. And so your touch won't be my touch and my way won't be exactly your way.

But just, I think we both try to say to people, here's some pearls. Here's some starting points. Here's a hand position.

Here's an intention. Yes. like you said, go make it yours. Be you and let me learn from you someday.

@10:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right. Right. Yes. I love that.

@11:02 - Nari

Absolutely love that.

@11:03 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So good, Nari. So good.

@11:06 - Nari

Okay. You had four more, right? Yes. Okay. The second is you are not for everyone.

@11:12 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So important.

@11:14 - Nari

Put away the people-pleasing. And at different times of your life, you'll be right for different people. I think there's a lot of great analogies in dating, which I have not figured out.

But regardless, I think there's a lot of good analogies in that. Like, you know, I think when I used to write a profile, I'd be like, oh, they say to make it pleasing to so many people.

Now I'm like, no, no, I'm going to be very specific and hopefully turn off 19 out of 20 people, if not 99 out of a hundred, because I don't want to go on 500 dates.

@11:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And I think too, like when we set up our practice models, like we can't be everything for everyone.

@11:51 - Nari

I'm not a very techie person. I don't like to use a lot of biofeedback. I think biofeedback has great use and merit.

I don't have a big. Sports gym where I work, I'm not going to be the best person to like take that athlete from like, okay, I'm functioning to now really high level and watching their biomechanics.

@12:10 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I just don't have the space for that where I work, you know?

@12:13 - Nari

And so there's just going to be different people whose different levels of communication work. And also as your boundaries improve, I think a lot of younger therapists, of course, we all, all of us always feel like our skill could be better, but, and then they might be like, well, then I'll really over-function and the kind this and availability department.

And even some of those patients whose boundaries aren't a match for me, like I don't, I don't call patients on the phone.

I don't offer that. I offer the time during the session. I will be fully present for, I will be rested, ready, and there for you, but I won't be having phone calls with you outside of our session.

And maybe some people aren't going to like me because of that, but maybe there's another therapist who feels comfortable offering that.

And so everybody everybody Absolutely.

@13:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

But I have to say that as an example comes up, but I was working at, for a doctor at this time and this client came in and there was just this weirdness between us.

@13:17 - Nari

And I think I saw her twice and we both came to the decision at the same time that it wasn't right.

@13:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And it was so beautiful because I didn't have to say it, but we both kind of like, well, you know, this isn't working, right?

So here's other people you can go see. And as I've gotten clear, I really don't encounter that anymore.

@13:39 - Nari

We are probably pulling in the right people. Exactly. Your, your, your powers of manifestation. I think as we get clear about what is the fit for us, I, in the, Jen and I teach a boundaries class and in my online class, and one of the things that people do is envision a door.

@13:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

What is your ideal client you want coming in?

@13:59 - Nari

Yeah. It's door and even more beautiful doors there with a red carpet in front of it and rose petals and it's the exit and it's the people who should come to my website and go, I don't feel her.

@14:10 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@14:11 - Nari

Or, or, you know, like they like, they'll look at my price and they'll be like, no, or they won't like my face.

I don't care. Whatever it is that aren't supposed to be with me. It doesn't mean they don't deserve wellness and great care.

They just be directed at elsewhere. And I think part of that is holding the awareness. I don't need to capture every patient because we have so many other sisters and brothers that are helping with healing now.

@14:35 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right. One of them can hold that.

@14:37 - Nari

So may, may every person go to the right provider.

@14:41 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. My bag.

@14:42 - Nari

And it's a different person at my clinic versus the hospital. And that's okay. Yeah.

@14:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. I love that. And I just think that if we want to take it to a soul level.

@14:54 - Nari

Hmm. Let's go.

@14:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I always want to go there.

@14:57 - Nari

Let's go girl. have to I have You So on a soul level, we all came in and incarnated into this life, already choosing to serve the people that are meant to come to us.

Yes.

@15:11 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's already been preordained that, you know, these certain souls are meant to come into our life for us to support them in their healing.

So like, if you, if you believe and can go there, it's like, just, we need to just open up and allow the right people to come to us.

@15:30 - Nari

I've done Akashic readings on people before.

@15:33 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. We'll go into some life where they were a healer and they helped me. I love it.

@15:39 - Nari

And I'm like, oh, okay. This time I'm helping you. Karma, right? Karma, it's coming back at you.

@15:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Souls that are meant to come to us, come to us.

@15:48 - Nari

And yeah, yeah.

@15:49 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's so fun. And then I'll get to my third.

@15:52 - Nari

My third, every technique is not for every one or every session.

@15:57 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So I don't try to bring this world that we're talking about.

@16:00 - Nari

So about a soul into my hospital practice. Not going to work very well. my private practice, there are some people who are like, I've heard you're really good at assessing pelvic floor structure.

I really want to understand where's my avulsion, where's my prolapse, how do I exercise? And those patients I hold in that space because that is the level of healing that is right, comfortable, and effective for them.

@16:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes, yes.

@16:28 - Nari

And then someone else, it might be something else, or I had a patient this past week. The first two sessions with her were a little harder for me because I couldn't figure out how to engage with her tissues.

It felt like every time I would start to engage, she would have a reaction. And then I noticed if I just kind of stayed in her energetic field right above the tissues, she's the most softest, gentle human that worked.

Interesting. So not only is like the same technique, we modify the pressure, the approach, the directness, but also like different people.

People are at different places in their healing journey.

@17:02 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so every, some patients are going to come to you and like exercise is what they need.

@17:06 - Nari

A coach is what they need. Just talking through it. And really people are very cerebral. They might need two or three sessions just to really understand what's going on.

And then they're going to go Insta and then they're going to go to a doctor and then they're going to come back, like, you know, just like conference with you.

It's okay. So I think also just letting go of this agenda of like, this is where everybody needs to be healing.

Everybody's at their own place. do you think? Tell me how you feel about that, Lynn.

@17:34 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, I love it. And absolutely. And my question to you, Nari, is how do you know what they need?

Yes.

@17:43 - Nari

When people come to me and they are only talking about concrete stuff, we start there.

@17:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And the story is ready to come out.

@17:50 - Nari

It will. But sometimes I just say to people now, now, again, at the hospital, much more linear care because I've got 45 minutes and 10 patients a day.

It's just, it's a different place. But my press are Sometimes I'll look at people's history and it's like, they were born an empath, they had abuse as a child, they haven't been in their body, they've had mystery ailment after mystery ailment, the zebras, they have endometriosis, look fine on the outside, getting glued on the inside, hypermobility, look fine on the outside, not a strong container on the inside, or autoimmunity, or like just, just very odd things.

And those are the people to me that I'm like, oh, they came in with the story that needs some resolving from farther back.

So I'll say, I would like to talk to you about the menu of options we have today. I love it.

Traditional pelvic eval, this is what that would look like. Pelvic eval with some intuitive listening, so visceral, neural manipulation, these kinds of things, or where spirit meets the body, or, and I say like number two, we'll also have some somatic trauma reduction that we'll just happen, even if we're not going for.

All will come. And then I'm like, or I listened to your system. We use my intuition to listen. And then we see where we're directed.

What, which of those four options sounds like an organic home for you to begin with today. Tell me. I love that.

@19:15 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

That's really cool. I have to say, I just go to number four all the time.

@19:22 - Nari

Yes.

@19:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. And then, you know, like probably, uh, you know, maybe you're getting more people, you're seeing a few less clients and getting a very more specific client.

Yeah.

@19:32 - Nari

I still kind of like the, the nerdy anatomy side where we talk about and teach that.

@19:37 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So yeah, I love that. So you just go there and you assume the right things come in the door.

No, I have to say that the conversation of why they're there. And like you said that, you know, I just had a client that comes to mind this week and, you know, potential prolapse.

So then, you know, we're talking about this and we're talking about the mechanics of that and what it could be.

So we may, you know, go down there. That path a little bit, but then once I feel like we've got the intake done, the verbal part of it, and I've gotten my questions answered or their concerns voiced, then I just go, you know, I'm just going to listen to your body and let's just see what your body has to say.

@20:19 - Nari

Yes.

@20:20 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And they're all just like, okay, I've never had anyone go, no.

@20:24 - Nari

Yeah. Yes.

@20:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You know, and I'm just like, I'm going to listen to your body. I'm going to let the body guide me and we're going to see, because I truly feel my work is reading the story of the body.

@20:35 - Nari

Yeah. I think we're very, again, soul sisters. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

@20:40 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And, and that, that story gets revealed as I put my hands on that body and I listen.

@20:45 - Nari

So, yes.

@20:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And then we just, I just talk about. You ask probably, right?

@20:50 - Nari

Like, do you, like, what question are you asking their body when you put your hands on it?

@20:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Um, Hmm. That's a good point. Um, I always make sure. I that when I'm intaking with someone that we set an intention, right?

@21:05 - Nari

So it's like, okay, it's either in their paperwork of, you know, like what, what, why did they come or what are they wanting?

But I get women that come that just want more energetic work. Yes. And, and if they want just the energetics, I still want to make sure that we've set an intention.

Yes.

@21:21 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So that, that guides the, the reading then, you know, of what the body's going to show me.

@21:29 - Nari

Yes.

@21:29 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So it's always the intention that, and, and, and I don't, I think I'm so neutral Nari that I don't, um, I don't come to the body with, I know you, I loved when I interviewed you several years ago, you're just like, what is the right place to unfold the most beautiful?

I forget how exactly how you said it, but it was so beautiful. I was like, yes.

@21:53 - Nari

Yeah, because I, I, I, I learned from men in the Brawl Institute. Yeah.

@22:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And it's a masculine tradition.

@22:01 - Nari

It's kind of like the questions kind of like, what's a smoking gun?

@22:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@22:05 - Nari

I realized like how that work was playing out in my life, which again, we're all different. So that might not be how it's playing out with any of those teachers in their world.

Like I trust they are also clinically excellent.

@22:17 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

We're just going to be different for all of us.

@22:19 - Nari

What I found with me is like so many patients were getting kind of a little flared up or like having a big fallout needing weeks to like come back and maybe they'd come back better, but maybe that fallout process was a bit much.

@22:30 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@22:30 - Nari

now before I touch their body, I'm asking what is the safest and most effective way for the soul to start to unfold their story into their greatest truth and joy?

@22:41 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh, I just say that one more time. That is, but please say that one more time for everybody. Sure.

@22:48 - Nari

I mean, something along the line, like what is the safest and most effective way for this soul to start to unfold into their story of truth and joy?

I love that.

@23:09 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I love that. love that. I think I come in so neutrally that I, and, and I really trust in my spiritual guidance that I, you know, that connection I have is for me has always been super, super important.

And I just trust that I'm getting shown and guided and directed. I remember us having a conversation years ago about listening to the fascia and listening to like where you get drawn and guided.

Cause sometimes those can be two separate things. And that's when you shared that little, I'm going to say it's a prayer Nari that, you know, like, how do you differentiate between where do you start in the body?

And I love that. You're just like, where's the easiest, most peaceful place for them to unfold their, their healing.

And yeah, and I do.

@24:00 - Nari

And in the Brawl Institute, they do this sometimes too. They do a listening from like the shoulder and the head.

@24:05 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Again, I'm so grateful to have studied with them, though I do things differently a bit now, but I find what I get from the shoulders is the thing in the somatic frame and what I get from here.

@24:16 - Nari

And then that's my intention. What I get from here is what is the whole picture, including the soul's journey.

@24:22 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Wow. Sometimes I even give the patient that option. Wow. Listen to your somatic frame.

@24:30 - Nari

It feels like it's around the left broad ligament overlapping with the ovary. When I listen to your whole being, I'm getting pulled literally 20 feet behind you.

And it lets me know something from your past of a trauma that's stuck in the body. Now let's talk about menu options for that.

@24:48 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Oh my God. Okay.

@24:51 - Nari

So I know I'm speaking for everybody listening into this podcast episode right now. Okay. But Nari, what you just said there, if that is...

@25:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Isn't fricking clinical mastery.

@25:01 - Nari

I don't know what is it's clinical mastery for this crazy bird.

@25:07 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And I love this bird. That's what I am. Right. Yeah. It might not be.

@25:12 - Nari

I just want to like, like we all, I think that's the beauty of like getting older. It's like learning to like, not people, please.

And trust what we know is for us.

@25:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And that is how my soul works with another soul. Well, I love it.

@25:30 - Nari

my clinic where I have a lot of time per person. Again, I'm like a little different in the hospital.

And so I'm going to bring that into the next thing that is like in my, because there are a lot of our friends listening today that do work in an insurance model.

And this one I think is meet them where they are and offer something.

@25:51 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And have that be the intention for each session.

@25:56 - Nari

So it's not see where they are and decide. And I'll put on a cape and take care of everything, even where they are and offer something, maybe it's a new exercise, maybe it's a manual therapy to their abdomen, maybe it's decompressing a neural pathway, you know, I'm like big nerve nerd, and I love to like teach right on like how we decompress nerves.

So maybe it's one of those things, maybe it's a new framework, maybe it's a different way of breathing in their body, but taking off this idea that you have to carry them across the bridge.

So meet them on the bridge, and show them their next step like lay the next plank in the bridge.

That's what you're offering it's not even your job to get them all the way across. You're just guiding a little light.

So meet them where they are, and offer something and that's a great intention for a session, because we all want to help so much, but then we can get real codependent and try to create their path.

That's beautifully said.

@27:13 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Beautifully said. Yeah. We, we all want to overdo, overgive over everything. And a lot, and, and Susan Clinton talked about in her podcast about this, that patients only receive 10% of what we say.

So that just that one thing can be so, so helpful for a client's sake too. Instead of giving them 10 things, just that one thing, that one next step.

I love that.

@27:39 - Nari

Okay. You have one more. And then you can ask them to say it back to you or to teach it back to you.

Yes.

@27:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@27:46 - Nari

So just like, I think the feminine nervous system does better to be slow. Yeah. And we don't get a lot of permission for that in this fast multitasking.

that say it back text your the And so one of the things we can give our patients as a model is permission to slow down and be with their body.

If they could learn one new concept of movement or breath or how to feel a part of their body that they had to abandon because there was too much drama there.

And we can give them a drop, but then have them say it back to us and then reinforce it for them.

Good. One new skill is a lot.

@28:31 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. That's what I would say to you.

@28:32 - Nari

I was like, then you can also make it interactive learning. Yeah. The one is empower them where they are ready to be empowered.

@28:43 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Hmm. So some people are ready for a soul shift.

@28:47 - Nari

Some people are ready to talk about an orthotic. It does not matter. Sure. Empower them, you know, where they are ready to be empowered.

Like maybe the first time they come. Okay. Let this And you talk about a pessary. They are abhorred.

@29:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. Second session.

@29:06 - Nari

I might come in and I'll be like, can I tell you a secret? I'm actually wearing a pessary. Can we revisit this and talk about why I find that empowering?

Yeah. Because I had a levator avulsion with my first baby. I still want to work out and I want to work out and feel free in my body.

So maybe my empowerment for them is to make an appointment to get a pessary. Yeah. Maybe my empowerment for them is letting go of a past life as a slave.

Like, I don't know where on that spectrum we're coming from today. And it's like, so meet them where they are.

@29:40 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Power them where they're ready.

@29:43 - Nari

Everybody is not in this lifetime. We all have different astrology charts. We all come from different families of origin.

We all have different belief systems. And so it's not for us to know where they're supposed to head in this life.

@29:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. So meet them where they are.

@30:00 - Nari

And then empower them where they are ready for a piece of empowerment. And I didn't say rescue them.

@30:06 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes, empower them.

@30:08 - Nari

I love that.

@30:10 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I love that. I love that. And I love the saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

So keep that in mind, everybody. I love that saying.

@30:20 - Nari

And I also would just like to like add a little on to that because I think I used to think that it was an unwillingness in the patient.

It can be.

@30:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

But sometimes it's just a fear.

@30:31 - Nari

Yes.

@30:31 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

the last time I was near water, I almost drowned. Right. Yeah.

@30:35 - Nari

So maybe like, maybe the first time you're just going to look at water. Yep. Yep. Maybe I'm just going to talk about water.

Maybe you're going to sprinkle water on their face and be like, are you okay? How about if you go home and wash your face every week?

And then eventually they'll get to drinking the water. It's just like, you know, it's, we are so complicated and we don't know what story they came from about the proverbial water.

Yeah. And so I think also like as much as we cannot judge ourselves for having to be heroes, the more we cannot judge why they're having the experience they're having and just deciding where we can meet them and empower them.

@31:12 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

It's so much less draining, right? Don't you find Lynn? Absolutely. Absolutely. And, and I think, um, one of the books that really helped me to understand more is the parts book, no bad parts by Richard.

@31:23 - Nari

Oh, so good. Yeah.

@31:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So good. And, you know, we all have these parts that are active in our life and they're doing it for a reason.

And so if we can, what, what I appreciated about that book so much, was so similar to the way that I teach, I treat the tissues.

@31:41 - Nari

Ah, talk about that. Tell me.

@31:44 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Okay. Well, I'd love to hear about it.

@31:45 - Nari

Yeah.

@31:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, the, the, the, parts, you know, in, in that book, he talks about the parts aren't bad because they're doing what they're doing for a reason.

@31:54 - Nari

Yeah. the same thing is happening to that pelvic floor muscle that doesn't want to let go. Yes.

@32:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

There's a reason that pelvic floor muscle doesn't want to let go, and we don't want to just keep hammering it and forcing it to release.

It just creates more problems. But if we can get curious with it, which we get curious with our parts, if we can get no judgment and just sit with it and be with it, it sometimes reveals the reason that it's tight.

@32:22 - Nari

Yeah.

@32:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

if we can just figure out what that is and then work with that, then there's no reason that we have to force anything to happen in the body at all.

@32:35 - Nari

Yeah.

@32:36 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

The tissues just kind of give up. They just let go when we get to the true root cause of what the tension is about in the first place.

And so as I was reading that book, I was just like, oh my God, this is how I work with the body.

@32:50 - Nari

This is how we work with the tissue.

@32:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And it's just, it's such a, it's a beautiful, beautiful way to work with people. That's cool. Yeah. And, and understand, like, just get curious.

There's no judgment. I don't have any judgment for anybody that lays down on my table for no matter what they say or do, because there's always a reason.

And one of the things we were talking about is like their experiences. We have no idea what our clients' experiences have been, but yet sometimes their body, their body is holding it.

And so that's, if we can teach Lynn, I'm sorry, interrupted you in your courses, it's that this deeper work is more in the intensive program that I teach my birth healing intensive program.

And it's just, yeah, it's so fun and so good. And it's a deep dive for practitioners to do their own work so that they can, you know, they're, not getting activated.

They're, they're able to, and it's just fascinating. The students get four sessions, two with myself and two with someone else.

And it's just so fascinating to see whatever comes up in their one-on-one sessions with me. It's like, Oh yeah, that makes so much sense.

Why you're doing that? Why you have that reaction?

@34:05 - Nari

Yeah. All right. Yeah.

@34:07 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

There's no, no judgment. There's no shame. There's like, it's just like, it makes sense. Everybody, the parts make sense.

The tissues make sense. And, you know, just today, just this week, Nari, I had a client that came in pregnant, had rib pain and had this rib pain since 14 weeks of pregnancy.

She's now 24 weeks and she's seen a chiropractor four or five times. And she said the first two times she saw it made the pain worse, but then now she's been going, it's gotten better.

And I listened to her body and I get drawn in and it's her diaphragm on the left side. That's right where the pain is.

@34:45 - Nari

And I, I asked her before I put my hands on her.

@34:48 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

said, have you ever had any falls and, and, and, um, impacts on your pelvis? And she's like, no, no.

Oh, but I was a horseback rider. And she's no.

@35:01 - Nari

Right. Because she was just considering that sport, not trauma.

@35:05 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, okay. All right. Yeah. And so when I tuned in and listened to her diaphragm on the right side, it was neutral.

The right side didn't want to do anything. When I tuned into the diaphragm on the left side, it was pulling up towards her head.

And so I just followed that and I could feel a tension spot in the middle of that diaphragm. And I just observed it and held it.

And it just kind of like melted and let go because I let it show me what it wanted to do.

And then I realized that that was going up and I go, I wonder if there's that intuitive hit. I wonder what the pelvis is doing on that left side.

And so I held the pelvis and the pelvis was doing the same thing, moving up towards the head. The right side wasn't.

And so there was just this impact of fall on that left side that was jamming things up. And I had it released in five minutes, Nari, five minutes.

And she stood up, up and. And she sat up and she goes, It's gone. It's gone. And it's, that's listening to the tissues.

That's, you know, listening to what the body wants to do. It tells us, it tells us. And I forget why I told you that story in the first place.

What was it relating to? Oh, I don't remember.

@36:21 - Nari

I've just been so in the moment with you. It's hard to rewind, but I want to piggyback off one thing you said, and it was about doing our own work.

Yes, because I think that is really, I think, you know, like even any relationship we have, friendship, love relationship, parenting relationship, we can only come to a place of non judgment and presence with that person as much as we can be present with ourselves.

Amen. Know that you said Susan is going to talk about shadow work at the summit. Yeah, Suzanne is.

@36:54 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. Oh, Suzanne.

@36:56 - Nari

Sorry, I said that. That's all right.

@36:57 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

She, like, I just think.

@37:00 - Nari

I like doing our own shadow work, making friends with all the versions of us, all the versions of ourselves, you know, we think back to who we were at times in our life, and we cringe, but we think back to what we did when we were three, and we don't cringe, and then somewhere along that way, that self-compassion, and I think you said one of your speakers is actually talking about self-compassion too, for those mistakes we made gets gone, and I think our ability to know we're not for everyone, and that's okay.

Yes, from a place of internal healing, an ability of saying, I can offer one thing, and that's enough, that comes from this place of internal healing, empaths, have a tendency to take too much responsibility, we can try to apply all these external rigid boundaries, you know, like, I won't do this, and I will do this, and I will blah, blah, blah, and when, and a lot of times, it's like, please give yourself permission to heal.

Yourself to have the daily healing self practice and is busy in life. We sometimes, sometimes we're raising children. Sometimes we're very involved in other organizations.

Many of us are working. Sometimes we have a parent we're still caring for, but I can't say enough. Like my wish for all of us in this community is to do daily work on our own emotional care, daily work, excavating the parts.

We, we don't like, I heard it. What is, how is it said? Like, I now release all prior parts of me that I created to survive.

Wow.

@38:39 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. Right.

@38:40 - Nari

And as we keep doing that and doing our own healing, then when those things are coming up with patients, like Lynn, how you said you can be in a space of non-reactivity.

I know that's because you have healed those things in you. And so when they come up with the patient, you're like, I can sit right there with you in this moment.

And so I think one of the things I would say is find the tools that help you heal in this life, find the tools that help you if you are a more esoteric one who believes that you caught came with the story, the tools be to unload that story.

So make your healing the first priority and your lifelong journey. So many of us come to this intuition, this empathy, this ability from having been wounded in this lifetime and a little bit of hypervigilance that came with that and that feeds our intuition.

So our journey is not just to find a way to help others with that, but to let our gifts be gifts instead of curse it.

And that comes from daily commitment to radical self love. I love it.

@39:56 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I love it. I, I, I teach that and I've experienced. The more I've learned to love myself, the more that love comes through in my treatment and the results I get in my sessions.

It's so powerful. And Nari, you just talked about a little bit about what you're going to be covering in the Birth Healing Summit this year.

Is that the empath? And do you want to, is there anything more? Like, I love that you're talking about that daily self-practice.

And you guys, that's what the intent of the Birth Healing Summit is all about. What Nari just said there.

So thank you, Nari, for that. And it is about helping us to do our own work. And you're going to get to work with seven different speakers who are guiding us in their own unique way to do that deep healing work.

And so you get to experience it and do it live and in person with us. So tell us more about what you plan on covering in your session, Nari.

@40:56 - Nari

Okay, well, first, I'm just so excited to attend everybody else's sessions. Nari. Nari. Nari. Thank Thank I can't admit that.

I'm just like so excited to nerd out with everybody and hear what all the other magnificent, like all the other women and what they're bringing forth for us.

So grateful I get to be part of participating. So I'm glad we're all going to be participating together. We are going to talk about like what made you form as an empath and then what, what the energy pattern in an empath's body tends to look like and why we get extra depleted by what's happening in our environment.

@41:30 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And so many of us have had that for so long.

@41:32 - Nari

We don't even feel it. Then I'm going to give you a meditation to kind of bring it back in and what, what we can do with that.

So we're going to talk about like, I'm doing some of these patterns. And then I have never done that.

I've never done like a demonstrated Akashic reading. But Lynn had said, like, I'm going to do that pre with one or two of the early registrants, Akashic session for them.

And then we're going to talk about how their experience with that went and they're integrated. you. you. Because I think nobody knows what's going to come up.

So I don't feel like they can give consent for that live. And just introducing you to this tool of working with someone to clear some of the stuff that you came in with.

Because I know for me, I did so much work earlier in life. And I saw so many practitioners and therapy and the counseling and the daily meditation practice for 30 years.

And it was like, why do I still feel like so heavy? And then when I started working with someone who was an Akashic healer, and I could let go of so many lifetimes of other trauma, finally, I felt like I was dealing with this life.

And then my tools were adequate. So we're going to introduce you to that concept. wherever your belief is along the spectrum, I still think you'll get something out of it.

That's what's great about so many speakers. Awesome.

@42:46 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, listen, we are going to, we have early bird registration that I think goes to like April 3rd, so 3rd.

And so today, that's soon I need to get right. Okay, actually, wait a minute, this is going to go live.

next Bye. Okay.

@43:01 - Nari

I'm still signing up today. Yeah.

@43:06 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Well, okay. So I'm trying to figure out, so this is going to go live in April when early registration has already happened.

@43:15 - Nari

And we need to get you those people so you can get that done in April. And they can have some time and experience with that.

@43:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So I think what we're going to do is the people that registered early, we're going to draw, I don't know if you're just going to do one or how many you'll do, Nari, but we'll give you a contact person for someone with that.

And then you guys can schedule that and make that happen. Okay. So, yeah. So those people that have already registered, you're lucky because you get a chance to work with Nari and then bring that to the summit.

And you guys can talk about that during the summit time. So. And even for the people who haven't, Lynn, I just want to.

@44:00 - Nari

Thank you for offering such a wonderful retreat experience and even like the not early registration price is still so incredibly reasonable.

Like when do you get a three hour retreat for that much? But to speak of like a multiple day retreat, like, so right.

Right. Thank you.

@44:17 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Thank you for putting this together.

@44:18 - Nari

Thank you.

@44:19 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, no, I just, I want to help people to be able to show up more powerfully for themselves, for their clients, for their family, friends, dogs, but our pets, whatever, you know, like that's, that's truly is our job here on in this life is to be the best we can be.

And that's what the joy it in the process.

@44:39 - Nari

Exactly.

@44:40 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Like I think this, what you're giving us these tools is like, how do we stay well and enjoy our life?

@44:45 - Nari

Like we can be of service, but also we're all also here to have a life that's worth living.

@44:50 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. Oh my gosh. You say things so beautifully, Nari.

@44:57 - Nari

Would you read all the marketing for the summit, please? Oh, goodness. I think you're very good at that. Thank you.

@45:04 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I have a very wonderful team that helps me out with all that. Yeah, we can't do everything, right? No, we can't.

No. And I don't try. So, oh, Nari, this has been incredible. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us today.

And I am super excited about your session in the summit. So please, everybody, check that out and join us.

Join us for the Birth Healing Summit, May 2nd and 3rd. Even if you can't attend live, the recordings will be available for you if you get the VIP pass.

And the healing still happens through the recordings, everyone.

@45:43 - Nari

So keep that in mind. Oh, yeah, because you can do it in your own space and time when you have time.

Yeah, absolutely. You can go back to it again and again. Yep.

@45:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yep. So, all right. Thank you, everybody, for listening in. Thanks, Nari, for being here. And we will see you all in the Birth Healing Summit, everybody.