Clinical Mastery with Shelly Prosko: Therapeutic Presence & Compassion in Care

Clinical excellence isn’t just about doing more – but about showing up differently. In this episode, Shelly Prosko challenges traditional rehab thinking, revealing why evidence alone isn’t enough, and how the real driver of outcomes may be something far less tangible. She uncovers the hidden power of therapeutic presence and why the connection you build with patients can outweigh the techniques you use. 

But there’s a catch – what most clinicians think is empathy may actually be leading them toward burnout. Listen in to learn a different approach that can unlock better results and resilience. 

✨ Key Takeaways for Practitioners:

• Clinical excellence = integration of research evidence, clinician experience, and evolving patient values
• Therapeutic alliance and presence are critical drivers of patient outcomes
• Compassion (not emotional empathy) supports better care and prevents burnout
• Self-compassion is a trainable skill that enhances clinician resilience and effectiveness

If you’re ready to rethink how you practice while protecting your own well-being, this is the conversation for you.

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About Today’s Speaker

Shelly Prosko, PT, CYT, Author and Educator

Shelly Prosko is a Canadian physiotherapist, certified yoga therapist, educator, author, and pioneer of PhysioYoga. Since 1998, she has integrated yoga into physiotherapy, focusing on chronic pain, pelvic health, healthy aging, compassion in healthcare, and professional burnout. 

She teaches and presents internationally at medical and yoga conferences, contributes to research and academic writing, and mentors healthcare and yoga professionals. Her professional courses are widely respected and sought after across multiple disciplines. Shelly is a Pain Care Aware Lead Trainer and co-editor/co-author of the textbook Yoga and Science in Pain Care: Treating the Person in Pain. She is also recognized for her TEDx talk on pushing boundaries in physiotherapy. 

She maintains a clinical practice in Sylvan Lake, Alberta, and believes compassion is central to effective healthcare and well-being. Outside of her professional work, she is a former professional figure skater who values connection, creativity, nature, and joy as essential elements of healing. https://physioyoga.ca/about-us 

https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Science-Pain-Care-Treating/dp/1848193971

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Transcript

@0:35 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Hello everybody. And welcome to this podcast episode today. I am delighted to share with you. We have a special guest, Shelly Prosko.

She is a physical therapist and yoga therapist. Well, she's actually a physiotherapist because she's from Alberta, Canada. And so it's so interesting that we call ourselves different things.

@0:55 - Shelly Prosko

Isn't it Shelly? Yeah. See, it's all. Right.

@1:01 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I know. I know. But welcome to the podcast, Shelly. I'm excited to have you here with us today because Shelly is going to be a part of the birth healing summit that's happening May 2nd and 3rd.

And she's doing a really great topic then. And we'll talk more about that in a little bit. But what I've been doing with these interviews of the summit speakers is talking about clinical excellence.

So Shelly, welcome to the podcast.

@1:25 - Shelly Prosko

And what do you have to say about clinical excellence? What does that mean for you? Oh, thank you. Well, thanks for having me on your podcast and for inviting me to be a speaker at the summit.

I'm really excited for that here. So, okay, exceptional clinical mastery or clinical excellence. I like that word.

@1:48 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yes. So, so I have thought about this because I knew that's what we're talking about.

@1:52 - Shelly Prosko

And, and the way I like to think sometimes I kind of pare things down and then my brain goes, you know, very point by point.

So the first thing I thought, okay, well, to be an exceptional clinician, I think first and foremost would be the obvious, which is whatever the person, whatever the patient's goals are, we want to meet their goals.

So to me, I think that is to have the best clinical outcomes or the patient outcomes, so whatever they may be.

And so that sounds obvious, but then I guess the idea is, well, how do we get there? And I think just like any profession or just human experiences in general, things are complex and there's not just one straight answer.

But the first thing I thought of was, okay, so how do I, so I've been a clinician for 28 years as this is recording, and I think, okay, well, what about for me then?

How do I optimize my patient's outcomes? And I think for me, the best is, I look at the evidence-based model, and sometimes people may hear this and really

Think, what, you know, you're going to go to the science, and what about, because I'm sort of known as this, you know, heart-centered, compassionate, focused care, but let me, if I may, just continue on this for a little bit.

So when we look at evidence-based practice, it's the best we have for our profession, right, or in any rehab profession.

I mean, we are, if we look at modern medicine, that's what we do base it on. And so that is the best sort of model that we have, is evidence-based practice.

Now, we have to remember there are three pillars, so we're not just looking at empirical evidence and papers, and they're all three equal.

One is not better than the other, so this is in no order of importance, but we have the first, which is the actual, the papers and the evidence, right, and that helps to inform our clinical practice guidelines.

So I think for clinical excellence, I believe, hands down, we have to look at the evidence. And what is it saying in integrating that into our care?

That said, there are two other pillars. And the second one is the clinician's experience. And this one we could talk for hours about, I think.

I really can go on this one. But when we look at, okay, well, what kind of experience and what kind of clinician are you and how are you showing up?

So if you're a clinician that's been practicing for 28 years, are you being curious and creative throughout your whole practice?

Are you learning? Are you being reflective? Are you checking your biases? Are you, you know, there's all these questions to ask.

Because my 28 years, using my clinical experience to inform my practice may actually not be in line with clinical excellence versus maybe someone who's been practicing for four or five years.

Who has been working really hard at checking their biases and, and... Reflecting on each client, well, I mean, not each and every client, you know, it doesn't have to be a whole new full-time job, but I mean, that other clinician maybe who's only been working for five years has really working on maybe journaling or have some sort of mentorship or like it's really trying to grow not just as a clinician, but as a human being and all the things we can talk about regulating, you know, in your own self as a clinician.

And so I guess my point on that second pillar of evidence-based practice of bringing in your own experience as a clinician, there's caveats to that.

So I think to be the best clinician you can meet, yes, look at all that experience and bring it in.

And then you have to also use it in an intelligent way, in a wise way. And that's a skill that you can hone, right?

That the wisdom and compassion, compassionate wisdom can be skills that you can hone and there's more to. So we absolutely need to need to take that into consideration.

And being an exceptional clinician is how do you reconcile one When you have an example of maybe the patient's preferences or their beliefs to you look like they're going to be detrimental to their outcomes.

It's going to take them further away from their goals. That's clinical excellence is how can we bring in, you know, the patient's preference.

And if we don't, we're not going to be exceptional at what we do. So that's a skill that we also can hone is how do we meet the person where they're at.

Guide them. So I think that's what I was reflecting on when you had that question. I thought that this is it.

And then I think just part of that, when we're looking at the patient's preferences, I do have more to say on that because the idea that, well, this is just what the patient prefers or these are their valued goals, sometimes that's, we think that's more clear or easier to get to than we may think.

And what I mean by that is sometimes people don't really know, like, especially if they've had pain for a long time, they've lost the sense of who they are, what matters most to them.

And they may, you know, come with a certain answer at the very beginning, you know, or they may respond a certain way, but it's really spending time with them and really listening and being an active listener, listening not to respond, but to understand.

And it's honing those skills that optimize the therapeutic relationship. To me, that's the most important thing. And actually, if we want to do evidence-based care, we have evidence in our rehab professions.

So we're not talking about surgery or medicine. But in rehab, the therapeutic relationship often is more important than the technique.

They've done studies on this, especially for pain outcomes. And I'm sure those of you listening who've been clinicians for a long time, you don't need a study.

You don't need the research to tell you that. You've seen that in your own experience, how important the therapeutic relationship is.

So finding out what the patient prefers, what they value. For some, maybe it's just one session and they tell you.

But often, they don't know right away. And we have to help them find themselves again. And remember who they are and what they value most.

And then lastly... And lastly... And lastly... What they think they value most, obviously that's true for them in the moment, but that may evolve several sessions down the road, a couple months or more, especially when someone's had some sort of maybe devastating diagnoses that changes their life, they're different.

And so now what they value most is different than it was when they first came to see you. And that's where the deep work comes in and the inner work as a clinician, because you have to somehow regulate yourself and find that space to provide for the person.

So that's my, what I came up with. Yeah, I know what you're going to say.

@9:41 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

No, I love that. I think that all are so important and, you know, I'm just reflecting back on my journey and how I've gotten to where I am.

I'm curious for you because nobody really taught me therapeutic presence. Nobody really... I just, you know, and I'm not sure, I've been out 35 plus years, so I have no idea what they're teaching in, you know, PT, OT school today.

But what, what are your thoughts on that? What do you feel helped you to develop that in you?

@10:27 - Shelly Prosko

Oh, okay. So I have a couple different things. First. First, I agree, I'm like you, I was never really talked about specifically, and I didn't, yeah, I really think, yeah, yeah, didn't find a way, like there was no, no one was really talking about it specifically.

So I guess the first thing was, and this isn't really answering your question, Lynn, but like, I'm curious, like, why do some of us get more curious?

Yeah.

@10:59 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. than others. So I don't know.

@11:00 - Shelly Prosko

I don't really have an answer. There may be a part of its personality. Maybe we're just kind of, you know, connection is really important to me as a human.

So maybe there's some of that. And then I think just being reflective, like I said, on clinical practice and just noticing that that therapeutic presence and relationship, it just, it was a value, like the proof was in the pudding, so to speak.

@11:21 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So you just kind of do it on your own.

@11:23 - Shelly Prosko

But to your question more specifically, was it more, you're asking me, like, how?

@11:28 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. I'm just curious how, you know, what do we say to some of these newer therapists who are, you know, just coming in?

I'm not sure what they're teaching in school these days.

@11:39 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah.

@11:40 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So what would I say to that?

@11:41 - Shelly Prosko

Well, so now they're, and I don't know if it's in school per se, but in the pain literature, because I work a lot with people with chronic pain and I'm trying to stay up to date on the literature that's coming out through the pain sciences.

And thankfully, that is a pretty big topic of research is the therapeutic alliance. So there are some really great papers and there's ingredients to help increase the therapeutic presence, well actually to increase the therapeutic alliance, and number one is presence and attention, and there's a few different models, and we could go off topic on different papers, and there's the Halifax model of compassionate care, which increases therapeutic alliance, and so there's a lot of tangents, but to just kind of bring it in to the core of your question, I think, so I do, I do teach on training compassionate care for the clinician without burning out, and so part of that is what you're talking about, how do we help these newer grads coming out, or even clinicians that have been practicing for a long time, yeah, how can we help increase that therapeutic relationship, and so the one model that I teach is from Joan Halifax, she's a medical anthropologist and a Zen meditation teacher.

Institute in New Mexico, and she actually teaches beautifully around preventing healthcare practitioner burnout. So anyways, I use her model of compassionate wisdom to emerge from the clinical interaction, from the therapeutic interaction.

And so there is a list of competencies that you can train and hone the skills. And I won't, I promise I won't go too long on it, but I'll just say really quickly, intention is one thing that So you set your intention.

It could be just, may I be of service to myself and the person in front. So it could be just setting an intention.

@13:40 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And then also attention.

@13:42 - Shelly Prosko

You already said this therapeutic presence, but you can focus your attention. And I'll be talking about this at the summit.

You know, how can we increase our focus and our attention? Well, there are skills, there are things you can do outside of the therapeutic interaction, but there are also things you can do while you are in the therapeutic.

To help increase your presence without burning out and having empathic distress, right? So we really want to increase that compassion.

And then there are some other ingredients, but to just highlight the ones to note is also once you're being fully present with yourself and grounding and using some of those techniques in the therapeutic interaction, you can then be more present for the person in front of you.

And research has shown the parts of your brain light up that can attune more to the other person, meaning that it's like insular cortex and different parts of the brain.

But it's so cool. The more present and regulated you are emotionally and just physiologically, the more likely you are to understand where the person is at, like empathic or cognitive empathy, to take another's perspective.

You're more likely to be attuned with them. So how, what a better way if we want to realize So understand a person, right, and get to know what they value most and really see their perspective, what a better way than this model that has been shown with some research that really helps intention, presence, attention, and being fully embodied to then have more insight into the other person and being attuned with them and you're co-regulating.

So instead of them bringing you maybe down into their chaotic world, whirlwind, which I say that lovingly because you've been suffering and struggling and they're dysregulated likely, if you can keep your physiology regulated as best as you can, science shows there can be a co-regulation so they could, their physiology can shift to yours.

So that also helps. And then there's a few other ingredients, but I think I'll just, you know, stop there.

think those are good to help the new grad. Just start with intention, focus, attention. want. And getting attuned with your client, that gives you the inner resources to prevent burnout too.

So we can talk more about that in the summit, or I will be talking more about that in the summit.

Awesome.

@16:15 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

That's so great. Boy, there's so many different ways we could go here, Shelly, now.

@16:20 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah, I'm sorry. I hope I didn't make your brain chaotic. I get really excited and my brain goes all over.

@16:26 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

So, no, I know, but like the three pillars for research and then the therapeutic presence, alliance and knowing that there's actual research on that.

I think, you know, some people are, think that it can be so woo, but it's, it's not, it's not everybody.

@16:45 - Shelly Prosko

Yes, papers, some great papers, Lynn, on therapeutic alliance and really tactical ways to train therapeutic alliance.

@16:54 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I think that there's some of us, and I would include myself in this, it just comes naturally.

@17:00 - Shelly Prosko

Well, that's why I thought it was curious to your question right at the beginning, you know, when you said, yeah, and that's why I was like, ooh, like, I wonder if they could ever, not that everything has to be a study, but I just would be curious to know, like, are there certain personalities, are there certain types of people who are more, have more of an inclination?

@17:23 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@17:25 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah, I don't know. And I think us as therapists, we tend to have that.

@17:29 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Like, or we have the compassion, we have the desire to want to help others.

@17:33 - Shelly Prosko

That's why we're in this field. Right. Good point.

@17:37 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And yet, at the same time, there's, you know, it may come natural to some, it may be more challenging to others, but I think within that, Shelly, is also the struggle of depletion and giving too much of yourself.

And you're like, we can go too far down that path, right? Exactly. Exactly.

@17:59 - Shelly Prosko

And I think that. That's, that can be trained. So that's a, I love that point, Lynn. That's a really good point.

So those that are listening that think, or not just think, you have the experience that, oh, you know, I'm, I'm very present.

I can take another's perspective. I'm very empathic. You're right. That next step is, okay, are you finding that you're in states of overwhelm certain seasons of your clinic, depending on, sometimes it does depend on your own life and what's going on in your own life.

But sometimes it also depends on your caseload. And there might be a few patients that you're having, you're really getting dysregulated.

And this isn't a blame game. It's just that you don't, your inner resources don't quite seem able to, to be strong enough to keep that sort of presence.

Like you said, it kind of sucks you in, but you can train. We have, we have evidence. You can train for that.

And that's the, one of the, the biggest, biggest ingredients. Evidence does show this is you. And I'm biased towards it, which is why I'm talking about it at the summit, which is self-compassion.

And that's what I'll be talking about. And we have so much research around that self-compassion for people that are in pain.

So for our patients, how that can be valuable. There's some really profound results and outcomes from increasing, helping someone increase their self-compassion.

And then also the research on just people, humans in general, how it can help. And then clinicians, we have research on how cultivating self-compassion within yourself as a clinician can really help you in many different areas of your physical, mental, and emotional health.

So all these physiological markers. And part of that is to help prevent the burnout or the empathic distress.

@19:49 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's really exciting topic. Yeah. And Shelly, something that I teach about is actually having that detached compassion.

Thank for others. So I'm curious how, and this may be, wow, really opening up Pandora's box here, but the difference between self-compassion and having that detached compassion for our clients so that we don't get so sucked into their story and depleted and, you know, that.

So any thoughts on that? Because I know we're going to be diving into that in the summit too. So yeah, yeah.

@20:28 - Shelly Prosko

Well, that's, and this is where just at the top of this call, we were like physiotherapist, physical therapist, like it's language and it's label.

So a lot of times we all mean the same thing and it's just label it differently. So I haven't heard of that detached compassion, but right when you said that, I know, I know what you mean.

And so I have a different word for that. And I can even share some of the literature in my summit talk around this.

So there's a difference between, this is what some of the literature is saying. And, and, do, you know, my experience coincides.

There's a difference between cognitive empathy, emotional empathy, there's different types of empathy, there's a difference between compassion and empathy, and there's actually the neurobiological link is different, so when you have compassion, it's different neurobiologically in your brain than empathy, and then again, there's different types of empathy.

So when we look at the cognitive empathy, what the literature says is that's taking someone else's perspective, sometimes I've heard it called clinical empathy, and that makes sense, but as you mentioned, to use your language, you're talking about the drawing in, and I think what you mean, and most of us mean when we say getting drawn in, that's the emotional empathy, right, to empathize with someone, and that's when I use the word empathy, I kind of just, it's, you're taking on the persons every everything, right, their emotions, if they're sad, or dysregulated, or stressed, or you just get really wrapped up.

And so that They've done fMRI studies, Lynn. These are phenomenal. They've trained people to increase their empathy, and they've trained people to increase their compassion, and what they found is the people that were training their emotional empathy, so not the cognitive piece we'll put aside, but the emotional empathy, they were more signs of burnout, it was really fascinating, all the different outcomes, the fMRI lit up differently, and it was equal to the empathy for pain network in the brain.

Like the outcomes, the health outcomes were very poor, and they burnt out, and it was a week-long study, and it was so bad, these outcomes, or negative, or whatever word we want to use, that these clinicians, they had to do the week-long compassion training after, because they were so dysregulated and burnt out, whereas the compassion group, the group that focused, or that trained for compassion, which an ingredient for that is cognitive performance.

Perspective-taking. So that's an ingredient. So you want to take, you know, the other's perspective, you want to get better at that.

So that's a competency for compassion. But basically, that group was, I mean, the parts of the brain that lit up were love, for maternal love, the altruistic areas, they felt fueled.

So they did both subjective and objective measurements. People, they felt expansive and energized and more willing to help. They would do these little tricks outside of the study, where they would see if they would help another person or whatever.

And the people who had the empathy training wouldn't help, because they were burnt out and exhausted emotionally. The people that had the compassion training had no problems helping the person, you know, cross the street or whatever it was.

So it was really interesting. So that's how I would answer that. And then finally, I love this quote. Can I plug my book?

Sure.

@23:57 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Absolutely. I'll ask.

@23:59 - Shelly Prosko

Absolutely.

@23:59 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Absolutely. So in Yoga and Science in Pain Care, Treating the Person in Pain. So I co-edited it.

@24:05 - Shelly Prosko

It's not my book. I co-edited it with Neil Pearson and Marlisa Sullivan and we have other co-authors. But I wanted just to say that I have a chapter in the book that I wrote about compassion in pain care.

And so it's talking about a lot of these things and the difference between compassion and empathy. And I brought that out because it reminds me of a beautiful quote that I have in there, which is empathy.

And I'm talking about emotional empathy. Empathy is neither sufficient nor required for compassion to emerge. Think about that. Empathy is neither sufficient or required for compassion to emerge.

And I think that's great news because some people, maybe we don't, some people aren't as empathic as others. And how can you, there's the air.

Now I'm really going, because we think we can, oh, I'm an empath, and we think we can empathize. But when you really look at it, you know, yes, there's some common humanity.

But if you have the same experience as someone, like you lost a loved one, a parent, let's say, and then I lose a love, we can't assume that, I can't project that my experience is the same as yours.

So there is that little side conversation that you may not truly have full empathy. Anyways, think of it, though, some people who just, they just can't, they don't feel that empathy.

They don't feel that, right?

@25:39 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah, that's okay.

@25:40 - Shelly Prosko

The literature, you can be an incredibly compassionate therapist. The flip side, if you have that empathy, let's say you are truly an empath.

@25:52 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

You may not necessarily be a compassionate therapist.

@25:56 - Shelly Prosko

There's lots of reasons. People sometimes, people use empathy. We wouldn't do that as therapists, but I'm just saying empathy doesn't automatically mean compassion, and in the clinical setting for those empaths out there listening, this is what the research shows is that if you're not, you know, regulating, and this is where your detached compassion comes in, if we are allowing that emotional empathy to, to dysregulate us, then the research shows those pre, the areas in our brain, our prefrontal cortex, the clinical reasoning, the discernment, all of the creativity, the curiosity, that goes way down because we're in a state of dysregulation.

So your words of detached compassion, or in, you know, how I would say it, as I would just say a compassion, wisdom, to me, the part of the definition of compassion is to have that regulated, you know, physiologically,

@27:03 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I think for some people, I think, and I can say this clearly for myself, I didn't realize how much of an empath I was until I started having experiences of going, why the heck am I totally angry when I was fine five seconds ago?

And, and it was like, I empathically pulled in someone's anger, you know, that, that wasn't mine. And so I think that empathy is for some, and I know it was my experiences that I kept feeling and picking up on other people's emotions without realizing they weren't mine.

Yeah.

@27:47 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah. And so that's, that's, you can train and you can train yourself to regulate that. Yeah. Yes. Which, which actually opens you up for, for being more of a compassionate.

@28:00 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

And I feel like some people may think of being an empath as a negative or, you know, I'm so sensitive, but it can be used as a superpower when we can recognize it and recognize that, oh, I'm picking up on this from someone else.

Now let me bring in the compassion and the cognition around what's actually happening versus something that, like, this is just happening to me.

And Shelly, I am just, I'm so excited for this year's summit because, you know, it happens every year I put it together.

Nari Clemens is going to be talking about empaths, and you're going to be talking about compassion. And then Suzanne Scurlock is going to be, you know, like, I think, and this is, you know, it's planned on some level that we're all tuning into.

That we're just going to be building one building block after another to help support these shifts, these understandings, these practices that you're all going to be sharing in our two days together to really help us to be that grounded, have that therapeutic alliance and presence that we need to show up for And so do you want to just, you know, you've been talking about this, but can you just share real quickly what your session is going to be like for the summit for everybody?

@29:41 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to focus on self-compassion within the clinician.

@29:47 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Awesome.

@29:47 - Shelly Prosko

And, and I really want to spend some time, actually a large portion of the time giving, giving the audience experiences.

So yes, I'll be. each. Patting about, well, we'll define self-compassion as we always do start with that, but what's really fun is to talk about the misconceptions of self-compassion, and I'm going to throw that out there, like it's, well, because everyone agrees it's good, like no one says it's bad, but there's that, what I'll challenge people, I'll put a series of questions up, and we're going to be talking, okay, do you think you could have too much of it, though?

You know, are there some examples, like it makes you maybe, you know, too selfish, maybe not as concerned for others, you get too self-absorbed, is it a bit self-indulgent, you know, and will you lack the motivation to really grow and change, like you've got to kind of be a little bit hard on yourself, just to be a good human, and like, so I'm going to really go to, yeah, it's really good to go through these statements, and of course, me being the, I love the literature, and so it's not me just saying this, this is Kristen Neff, our queen of self self-compassion, the researcher, so I'll bring in her research, and then

Yeah. And then the practice. So I just, I want to offer, offer a beautiful practice. Um, I think almost half an hour, we'll, we'll just have a beautiful practice that helps cultivate self-compassion and includes just some gentle movement.

And then a lot of it's my language and different mindfulness, meditative self-compassion practices. So it'll be an engaging session.

I hope, and people will, will hopefully even just take like one. Yeah. One key point. I think there'll be a lot of key points, but I always like to keep it simple and just tell everybody just even one gem that you can really take away that makes a difference in your personal life and in your clinical life.

So self-compassion within you is the clinician that helps you become an excellent or exceptional clinician for all the reasons we talked about.

@31:58 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Right. Oh, yeah.

@32:00 - Shelly Prosko

Way to wrap us up!

@32:01 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Thanks, Shelly!

@32:03 - Shelly Prosko

That did circle back nicely!

@32:05 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

did! Very beautifully! Yeah, I didn't even plan it, but...

@32:09 - Shelly Prosko

I love it!

@32:10 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I love it! Well, thank you so much, Lynn!

@32:12 - Shelly Prosko

Oh, thank you, Shelly!

@32:14 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

I'm super excited to have you with us this year for the Summit, and you and I are going to be sharing the stage at Pelvicon in September, too, and I'm super excited to actually meet you in person, and that is going to be fabulous!

Right, and the topic, oh my goodness! I know! Bringing spirituality into your practice! And I, you know, I think we're going to be tapping a lot into that during the Summit this year, too, because you cannot, with these topics, not go there, so...

@32:46 - Shelly Prosko

Yeah, well, when you think, just listen to our last, this conversation, and I'm sure all the others, too, like, that's, this is the spirituality, right?

The... And what matters most, and... So, yeah, it's part of it all.

@33:03 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

Yeah. Well, thank you for the work that you do. Thank you so much.

@33:07 - Shelly Prosko

And thanks, everybody. And yes, you're at the summit.

@33:10 - Lynn Schulte, PT (lynnschultept@gmail.com)

All right. Thanks, everybody. Please check. We'll put a link to Shelly's book in the show notes. So if you guys want to check that out, you can check that link in the show notes.

And also the Birth Healing Summit registration link will also be there as well. And we would love to have you join us May 2nd and 3rd.

So please register today and join us. So thank you, everybody, for listening in. And we will see you all in the next episode.

Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. All right. Yay. Thank you so much.