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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pond Pony podcast. Hey, yo, it is me, the OG along with me. It's the fantasy unknown what's happening in person.
Pershin:Howdy. Howdy. Glad to be back for another episode, talking ball, starting to get to that point where the playoff picture is rounding into form for us. And I know you're a big college guy as well. That is especially exciting about this time of year. I feel.
Jason:Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, the playoff picture is rounding into form in both leagues. If you, in my opinion so we'll take a look at this week's games. This past week's games, college football, playoff picture as it stands. The, the standings just came out tonight, Tuesday. So you'll be hearing this tomorrow, Wednesday. But yeah, with that being said, let's get into it.
The Pied Pony Podcast.
Jason:All right. So college football. What a wild, wild weekend we had in college football. Miami went down. Number four, Miami went down to Georgia Tech. Excuse me. Number three, Georgia went down to Ole Miss. We had two top ten teams losing right off the bat. Damn. Yeah, solid, solid games. Who else lost? Some other people lost. LSU lost at number 15 to Alabama. They got waxed. Iowa State at number 17 lost to Kansas. Boise State almost lost, only one by seven. They really tried to lose to Nevada. Hey, I told you man,
Pershin:Gentee will drag their ass to victory.
Jason:And then Pittsburgh, number 19 Pittsburgh lost. Effectively kind of, you know, taking them out of the mix. Taking Pittsburgh out of the mix. So with all those losses, I mean, Clemson looked rough for a little bit, but they came away with a win. Florida State again, lost one to nine and they fired three coaches. They fired three coaches this week. The offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator, and I forget who else.
Pershin:It is just so rough. The way that, the way that the FSU fans last year was just on this, this steady ascent. And then like a couple of players got injured. And ever since that moment, it has been just bad news after bad news, after bad news. And it's like, Oh, Oh, yeah. Hang in there. Seminole fans hang in there.
Jason:It's going to be rough. It's going to be rough. So with that, let's, let's look at some of this, this, these playoff races within some of the conferences. Cause the sec is, What is wild right now. So at, from top to bottom, this is what we have in order conference and, and like their conference win loss at number one in the conference, Tennessee at five and one, the number two, Texas A and M at five and one at number three, Texas at four and one. At number four, Georgia at five and two, Ole Miss at four and two, Alabama at four and two, Missouri at three and two, LSU at three and two, and then with an outside shot, South Carolina at four and three. So that means if Tennessee were to lose a game, Texas A& M, or Texas were to lose one more game, we could have a, a like six way tie and it would come down to, I mean, I don't know how they do their tiebreakers, but I would assume your, your wins versus common opponents, your winning percentage versus common opponents, and then if there's a tie, It would be I can't, I don't know what it would go to after that. I
Pershin:know the first one is going to be common opponents as the first tiebreaker, but I, I don't know what, what they do after that. That's
Jason:just crazy, man. That's just crazy.
Pershin:Yeah. That is a ton of teams in the mix right there.
Jason:Yeah. And then when you look at the ACC, not quite as many teams, I mean, some shit could go down, but it's not likely. So with Miami losing this weekend and Pittsburgh losing this weekend, Pittsburgh now has two losses in the conference. So they're gonna need major help. So that loss really hurt them. They play Clemson this week. Clemson, this is their last conference game. This is a must win for them to keep their hopes alive. If they beat Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh's effectively out, eliminated from title game chances. And then you've got Louisville at four and two. They're probably on the outside looking in. But with Miami losing, that makes them 5 1 in the conference, Clemson 6 1 in the conference, and SMU is 5 0 in the conference right now. Wow. So. I
Pershin:like how SMU ends up being the one in the driver's seat. Right.
Jason:Like,
Pershin:haha.
Jason:Well, so SMU has three conference games left, I believe, or two? Three. Three conference games left. So, and I don't know, I mean, they could lose two of them. They could lose one. I don't know. But if everybody ended up losing one SMU's in, in Miami's in Clemson's on the outside because of their loss, which was the worst loss that could happen. They lost to Louisville, which the other two teams beat. So, you know, but still, I mean, we've got three weeks left the ball. So, you know, other Clemson has already played all of their, they have one more ACC game, the other two teams have. At least three on one team and two on the other in Miami. So yeah, so there's some things can happen. Miami has been playing with fire all season. So,
Pershin:yeah, I mean, I think the Pittsburgh game is important for more than just the potential if the other team slip, I think that it's kind of a, we're in a situation where the fans are expressing so much frustration. And, you know, there's, there's kind of defenders or there's at least dabble and his people who are trying to say, calm down, we got it. It's fine. We got it. You know, it's, everything's going to be fine, whatever. And Pittsburgh, even though they've been up and down, it's a team that's got at least some. Respect within, you know, the, the, this season, if nothing else, you know, and so it's like, okay, this is a a decent opponent. So let's see you show up. I think that would help just a lot of people's perception of them at this point, even if it, doesn't end up that they get to the championship. I think that it's still important. And of course it's, it's important in case anyone falters ahead of them. Anyway. Oh,
Jason:absolutely. I mean, I was just thinking, man, I wish that game was a ranked opponent because if you needed that boost, you would have them ranked. And then if by chance you were to beat South Carolina with the way they're playing, they would be a ranked team. So that would really help you. We don't know, but it's, it's going to be wild. Well, one other place we wanted to look at was the big 12 cause we've got a little bit of a race. BYU is six and O in the conference. Colorado is five and one in the conference telling all the haters. They're seven and two look at this team.
Pershin:I can't believe like the streak that they've been on after starting so sloppy They look so bad
Jason:And their their schedule is I don't I don't foresee them losing Again, so
Pershin:well, they they beat A& M this weekend, right? I wanted to watch it, but I got sick this week actually and I ended up not watching it
Jason:No, I don't. I'm not sure who they played.
Pershin:No, I'm sorry. Not A& M.
Jason:Texas Tech. Yeah, they won this weekend. Yeah, Texas Tech. They got Utah, Kansas, and Oklahoma State. All bottom tier. Those should be winnable
Pershin:games. Yeah.
Jason:Yeah, Kansas is 2 4. Utah is 1 5 in the conference. 4 5 overall. 3 6. So do they
Pershin:have a good chance if they win out? Do they have a good chance of being in the playoff? Well, they will, if they
Jason:win out, they'll be in the Big 12 Conference title game. They'll be in the Big 12 Conference title game for sure. Okay. And if they win that'll
Pershin:get them in,
Jason:they are for sure in, but if they lose, there's a, there's a, there's an outside shot. They could be an at large bid. Gotcha. So yeah, I mean, just a couple of races, you know, just to take a look at, but anyway, moving forward, let's look at the current rankings, the top 25 as it stands. Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State is your top four right now. Indiana, BYU, Tennessee, Notre Dame is the next eight. Number nine is Miami, ten is Alabama. Ole Miss, Georgia, Boise State, SMU, Texas A& M, Kansas State, Colorado at 17, Washington State, Louisville, Clemson, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri, Army, and then Tulane. So
Pershin:Tulane sneaking in there. I like it.
Jason:Yeah. Tulane and Army doing the, doing the best, huh? If you're looking at the bracket itself, the first four with the buys would be Oregon, Texas, BYU, and Miami, all winning their conference. Conference. Then the next first rounds are Ohio State playing Boise State, Penn State playing Ole Miss, Indiana playing Alabama, which Indiana is undefeated right now. So, watch out.
Pershin:They can still
Jason:win the conference.
Pershin:Have they played many tough opponents?
Jason:They played somebody pretty good this past weekend. Who did they play this weekend? I feel like we actually talked about them. Well, they beat Michigan. They beat Michigan this weekend. Okay. They're 10 0 and a big 10. I mean, it's 0 and a big 10.
Pershin:Gotta love it. Fucking basketball school going football. Yeah. And
Jason:then they play, who do they got left? They play Ohio state and then you know, they play Purdue. So they, you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see
Pershin:that's right.
Jason:All right. So Indiana play at Alabama and then Tennessee playing Notre Dame.
Pershin:Okay.
Jason:Yeah. So that's the current projected playoff bracket. So
Pershin:the Buffaloes playing with themselves,
Jason:the Buffaloes, they currently don't have the Buffaloes beating BYU man. No respect.
Pershin:Yeah, well, I mean, BYU was ranked higher when you were going through the things the list. Yeah, pretty sure they were ranked higher. So I guess that makes sense.
Jason:I guess so we're moving on from from college football Let's get into a little bit of NFL news Micah Parsons calls it all the drama. He said, after the game that he felt bad for guys like Zach Martin, who might be on their last year on the way out because he wanted to hold the trophy. You want to win games and do great things for those type of legends who put in more time and work than Mike McCarthy ever did. Those are the kinds of guys I heard for. And then went back on, on his podcast. We're back on this podcast And said that he had no intentions of basically throwing Mike under the bus or trash talk at him. Oh, come on. And that he loved Mike.
Pershin:He named him! He named him! How can you say that? You could have easily made that point that you feel bad for the guys that have been here for so long and they never got it. You could have easily made that point without ever bringing up anyone's name.
Jason:Yeah, man. And you
Pershin:brought up a name. And it was your head coach, which is a little weird because most people say, Oh, you know, the coaching staff is there on the weekend, on the film early. They're, they're late there. A lot of people say that the coach isn't doing a very good job if he's not putting in way more time than everyone else. And so you got to think Mike McCarthy, whether you agree with his ability to play calls, or you feel like he's lost his fastball or whatever. You gotta think that he's, he is putting in a ton of effort and trying to get them to win games. And I just feel like that's just such a bitchy statement for him to make. It's like, are you insinuating that, like, the guy's not trying very hard? Yeah, he's insinuating that the guy's not
Jason:in the office every day or something.
Pershin:It's just weird because the thing is like, okay, he probably gets paid well, but he's not even part of the salary cap. Whereas people who really are team players, they take team friendly deals to make sure that the team is more competitive. The goal is known for doing that year after year. Okay. There's been other players, not just Tom Brady. But the point is that a lot of times it works. It helps your team be more competitive. And the thing is that Zach Martin, his buddy that he feels so bad for said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm holding out. I'm not going to play again, even though I signed this contract and I'm going to hold out because now people who are on my level, they're making more than me. And so I won't honor my contract. Right that how is that a more of a team player than your coach? I just don't I just whatever man,
Jason:man It's the cowboys man. The drama was still speaking of the cowboys We've had this stadium built for how long now and all of a sudden the sun is a problem in the stadium Like oh the Sun got in CD Lamb's eyes, which is why he didn't catch the ball or something like that
Pershin:Well, yeah, I think that's true But this is this has been happening for like a decade more than a decade, right? This is happening
Jason:a really long time. Nobody's complained about it Before at least not to the point to where it's national media.
Pershin:Well, so here, here's the thing here, I think is why a lot of people are upset right now because
Jason:finding ways to, to, to reason for their losses,
Pershin:that's part of it, that's part of it, that's part of it. I think people are trying to come up with excuses other than that. The team is just, What Dak Prescott said. As one wise Dak said, we fucking suck. No, but the thing about it that upset me, and I think this is part of the reason why a lot of people are talking about it, is that he went and had this entire curtain system made.
Jason:Yeah.
Pershin:And he doesn't like it, but the thing is that he hosts these big music acts, right? These pop stars or whatever, and it turns out that they're not willing to deal with it. Like, they, they will not play at Jerry, Jerry World unless
Jason:The curtains there
Pershin:right unless they did so the crazy thing is is that he's double triple Quadruple doubling down sticking to his guns. All he has to do is press a button and the curtain systems already there He's already paid for it the whole thing and he refuses because no like no all he
Jason:had to do Was hire a successful engineer? To turn the fucking stadium when it was built so that the sun would not shine Directly into the windows onto the field Like yeah, he got hosed. I just can't. It's just Jerry doing what Jerry does. I've said it last week. I'm not gonna go back on it again. My best guess
Pershin:is that he just refuses to admit that he was wrong about that.
Jason:Yeah, no, that's what a billionaire does. He can't, he can't, they can't stand being Lord. Moving on, we're gonna talk about Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers versus each other, but not In the Steelers versus the Jets in their career paths, because some would say that Aaron is in the Russell Wilson, Denver stage. Where he went to the team that would give him his everything,
Pershin:give
Jason:him the office on the third floor. I already had the parking set up for
Pershin:you. All you got to do is have a good offer.
Jason:And he's now eating his humble pie. His ego, hopefully, is being in check, but it doesn't seem like it on Pat McAfee's show. We have to embrace
Pershin:the dark or whatever the
Jason:fuck
Pershin:he said.
Jason:So, so, but now that Russell Wilson is with Mike Tomlin and he's like, you know what? I'm ready to buy in. All I want to do is win. Look at what they're doing, man. The Steelers are hot. They are only getting better. Mike Williams? Mike Williams! The guy who was blamed for running the wrong fucking route not that long ago Scored the same amount of points That the jets did that the whole jets team and the winning touchdown in same week last week He scored six points and the jets did
Pershin:You know what's cool about Mike Williams is that when we've got so many of these Ultra Diva wide receivers in the league these days, this motherfucker always takes the high road. He always talks about how he could have made a better play on a ball, how, Yeah, I probably could have got that one. That's on me. Yada yada. He's not trashing his dudes. He's not holding out and saying I won't Honor my contract. He's not, none of that shit. Aaron Rodgers unnecessarily throws him under the bus, right? Gets his buddy Devante Adams on the team so that he gets pushed aside and, and good for Mike Williams because at the end of the day he gets to leave this bad vibes fucking Embrace Darkness train wreck. That Rogers has created over there and he gets to go to a team. That's actually good. So
Jason:yeah
Pershin:kudos to Mike Williams for Remaining positive that entire time when he easily could have given into some fucking bullshit with the media That is
Jason:very true. But speaking more on the game itself What a game Steelers versus Washington absolute thriller Steelers last year Steelers with Justin Fields were not coming back from two scores down in any game last year. Right. Or this year, this is, this was a Russell Wilson, like this was a prove it game. I can still do this game. And they did. They came back. He threw the moon ball as he loves to do. Ertz. Ertz. You gotta go backwards, bro. You can't catch the ball, run forward, do a bubble like run, you gotta go backwards. Like a hell of a play for the defense for keeping him. Pat and he was, he was down before the marker by at least half a yard. I mean, it
Pershin:looked to me like pretty much as soon as he caught the ball, he like went to a knee, like his knee hit really early upon contact. And it was like, I, I feel like he just did not realize for whatever reason, I think he thought I'm already past the line. So I'm just going to make sure that I've got the ball, but the thing is that he wasn't quite there. And so that was a huge mistake. for him to not fight for another half yard or so. We
Jason:see that all over the league, like run past the line, the game, everybody runs to like, to like the line. And it's like, you catch the ball a yard short and then you're like. Oh, wait, I thought I was ahead. And it's like, man, you see the shit on both sides of the field. You know, you know where the marker is.
Pershin:Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I agree with that. I like, if you, if you've got a play called for that and you know that the route that's going to be run is going to be like just a yard or a half a yard before the sticks. Go ahead and talk about that in the huddle. Be like, okay, just drift. Drift. Drift a yard. Drift a half a yard. Whatever it is, make sure that you are past the sticks. It's okay. I will expect it when I throw that ball, you know what I mean? Like,
Jason:I
Pershin:don't understand how, like, like players, like wide receivers could ever be so close, but yet on the wrong side of it. It's like, when you're running your route, you should have at least a split second to take a look at the sideline and see where that marker is, right? So, yeah.
Jason:Or you're counting, you know how much you gotta go before you line up, you're counting. As you're running the markers on the field. And I will say this though,
Pershin:at least, at least most of the time when guys catch balls in that situation, it's like, they're prepared to turn up field and fight for as many yards as they can. I feel like in his case, he really thought he was already well positioned. And so that was, that was just a bad move. Yeah.
Jason:And then the fake punt at the beginning of the game, I mean, it was a well designed fake punt, poorly executed. Who
Pershin:was that? I don't even know who that player was. That's like a backup, right?
Jason:Yeah, I don't know, man. That guy,
Pershin:he had like, nausea, like, like dreads, but he was not nausea. I
Jason:don't know, man. I don't know.
Pershin:It was actually a pretty decently Like throwing ball, at least as far as location, like it was easy for him to catch that. And it was like, I guess he was just already focused on turning up field and trying to get more yardage.
Jason:He saw that green man. He saw he's he's just thinking touchdown.
Pershin:He's like, Oh man, I thought I would never get a touchdown before I got kicked out of this league.
Jason:He was thinking touchdown.
Pershin:Yeah.
Jason:Man, I mean, even Austin Echler had a hell of a game, two tutties, 44 yards on 44 yards, crushing it, crushing it. The corpse of Austin Echler is just getting in the end zone.
Pershin:I did, I did think he actually looked pretty good in this game for what it was worth. And I know he didn't have a ton of yards on the ground, but that's mostly because a lot of his carries were by the goal line. So I thought he looked pretty good in this game though, actually, for being an old guy.
Jason:Yeah, it was a good, it was a great game. I watched most of it. Pittsburgh right now in control of first place in the division. At seven and two, just because they, they have one less loss than the Bravins. Right. So yeah, good game. Good game. Move it on to the chiefs versus Broncos game. Heartbreaker of a game. How in the world does the chiefs keep getting lucky with. Just block, blocking a field goal to lose the game. I mean, all you had to guys do was, all you had to do was kick the field goal. Will,
Pershin:Will Lutz. I feel like it's been so many years. Since I've seen someone blow through a line like that, like on a field goal, like usually they got to fly in from the side and there's some sort of delay for whatever reason, getting the ball placed. And like, maybe someone's able to jump over the pile and tip it with their fingers. But it's rare that you see someone just bust straight through the line like that. I mean, somebody got absolutely. Well, they were trying to
Jason:say the chiefs were cheating because they had seven people to one side of the center. And you're only supposed to have six, but it's only on the line. So they had six on the line, but they had a guy in the back and he's the guy I think that broke through. Cause two guys were on, everybody was obviously blocking everybody. So all he had to do was just dark.
Pershin:Yeah. But even then the blocking is not very good. If he has enough space to come clean like that, like I just don't, I just don't think he was slowed up at all, which is like, you know, it's frustrating, you know, it's frustrating when
Jason:you got the cheat, you could, you could have been the one, you could have been the guys.
Pershin:Yeah. I mean, I, I, not only that, but I mean, it's, it's. It's a really important game when you're five and four and you're the difference between five and five and six and four when you're looking at the playoffs is huge. And so like now, you know, we, we're down to, I think it's like 40 percent chance to make the playoffs. You could have been
Jason:second in the division versus
Pershin:a, you know, if we would have won, we would have been something like. 75 percent chance. We would have been in much better positioning, but is what it is, man. We didn't do enough. I do think that we played well. I feel like the team played well for the most part and just didn't do enough. There were opportunities there to make much bigger plays, whether it's you just let the, The ball carrier get loose when you need to be tackling better, or even like there was three different sacks on my homes that should have been sacks that he just was able to throw the ball away. Home's magic. Yeah. I mean, give him credit. You know, he's been throwing too many interceptions this year, but I mean, he still is. Fucking hard to deal with with his pocket presence and his quickness on his feet And you know, you know you you got to give it up to the chiefs for Figured out ways to win these games. I don't think it's a coincidence that they keep winning these close games and they're also back to back Superbowl champs, you know, like they, they know how to clutch up and you know, I'm, I'm happy to see that the team performed off for the most part though.
Jason:Yeah. I mean, for all intents and purposes, I mean, Bo Nix had a, had a really good game, much better game than Mahomes did. Audrick Estime got the bulk of the carry. So that's good to see your, your rookie get 14 carries, 53 yards. Does it mean?
Pershin:Yeah. I
Jason:mean,
Pershin:not
Jason:crazy, but
Pershin:the cool thing about Esme is that they were actually doing a good job of getting to him. He wasn't getting a lot of room before he was getting hit, and he just consistently kept moving the pile a yard or two forward. Like basically every time he touched the ball, he got an extra yard at least. Then what most backs would get just a really powerful guy I think that's the kind of back that Sean Payton really wants on the first and second down Saying I think he has supplanted Javante Williams, and I think we're gonna see Javante Williams really just in those passing Situations from here on out. Yeah, but it depends on the the fumble situation. He was fumbling earlier in the year He wasn't getting playing time because of it If the fumbling situation comes back up, he will get benched. So we'll, we'll see how that goes.
Jason:Oh yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Moving on to the Bengals versus the Ravens 35 to 34. I guess everybody just decided we were going to score in the fourth quarter. Oh, Jesus Christ. classic shootout. Good lord, I mean. This is what everyone envisions. 56 passes by Joe Burrow. 4 touchdowns. 4 touchdowns by Lamar. 33 passes. I mean, Derrick Henry was kind of a non factor in this game. This was just the Lamar versus Joe Burrow show. Jomar, I mean, if you had any one of those guys in fantasy and still lost, I don't know how. I played a guy, Lamar. Lamar had 40 points. There was one guy, he had two of the players, he started off the week with like 100 points. Yeah, he had Lamar and
Pershin:Jamar Chase, right?
Jason:Yeah.
Pershin:Yeah, it's
Jason:unfair.
Pershin:You can't, you can't lose when you start off the week like that, like
Jason:262 yards or 64 for Chase. How, that's just insane. Like, that's insane. It's crazy too,
Pershin:because everyone's been saying like, when's he gonna have a spike week, man? He's just been, he's just been kind of whatever all year and like, Usually we see a little bit more in the way of spike weeks every, I don't know, second, third, fourth week for these guys, whether, you know, you're talking about CeeDee Lamb, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, these guys that you really expect to pop off every now and then. They haven't been doing much this year. Finally, Jamar Chase does, and he has like the spike game to rule all spike games. Yeah, no shit. And so it's like, oh, okay, all right, all right, all right. It
Jason:makes everybody else's stat sheet like just look pedestrian, you know? It's like, oh, Rashad Bateman, eight targets, six receptions, a touchdown, I mean, you know.
Pershin:I mean, people are going to look back on the season and they're going to be like, oh yeah, Jamar Chase was the number one wide receiver overall, but like a third of all of his fantasy points. Came from one game. Yeah,
Jason:right. Yeah, right. It's like he just boosted his averages for the whole year He's like number five wide receiver. No, this is because of one game. Oh Man, that was just a crazy. That was probably the best Thursday night game. We've had thus far.
Pershin:Yeah. Yeah I think that's the highest scoring Thursday night game. We've ever had isn't it? I don't think there has to be I don't think there's ever been a Thursday night game that had a shootout that big
Jason:Yeah. All right, and then we go into From offense to defense and a little bit of offense in there because the Bills and the Colts turned the ball over so many times. It's insane. It is insane. Five total interceptions is just crazy. And then how many fumbles? What? Two, three fumbles, two fumbles, something like that.
Pershin:Just crazy. Just craziness. What's weird is like, Oh, We had like three different games this past week that were like that.
Jason:Oh yeah. Josh, I mean, but Josh Allen turned into the Josh Allen of old, no touchdowns, two interceptions. I mean, just, yeah, it's the regular old Josh Allen. This is
Pershin:also what people have been saying. They're like, man, where, where, when's he going to throw like three interceptions in a game or something? Where's he hasn't, he's just been consistent so far.
Jason:And then what, what about Joe Flacco? It's like, man, Joe Flacco had this, this amazing season last year. And now he's just lame duck. It's just like,
Pershin:that's, that is the entire week 10 story, man. It's like, everyone went back to what we used to know them as. I mean, look at Sam Darnold. He went back to throwing pigs. Joe Flacco was back to
Jason:throwing pigs. Jamar
Pershin:Chase showed up again. Josh Allen was turning the ball over again.
Jason:Yeah,
Pershin:it was just like what we used to think of these guys.
Jason:Yeah, yeah, this was, this was another back and forth game and it was a good game to watch. It was, it was very fun. And then the, the final game of the week that I was kind of wanting to look at was Lions versus Taxans. The, what was that? The Sunday night game. Where the last time a player, can you guess this? The last time a player through five picks and still won the game was what year you think that was a
Pershin:long fucking time ago. I'm guessing I, I have no idea. I'm just going to throw something out there. I'm going to say 2003.
Jason:Wow. Not even close. Not even close. All
Pershin:right.
Jason:January of 1970 by Johnny Unitas. Johnny Unitas threw five picks in a game in the Bears versus Colts. Before, before golf did this, teams who threw five picks in one game were one win Which is Johnny Unitas, 373 losses in one tie. So, so Jared Goff now owns the second win of, of a, I mean, how do you win that game? Like, it's just like holding the Texans, Texans couldn't convert the chances to touchdowns, man. They just couldn't do it.
Pershin:The Detroit run defense was really impressive. I mean, they were really stuffing those gaps and there was nowhere for him to run. Like, they were trying to feed mixing and get that going to set up the pass and you know, Detroit was just doing such a good job of giving him nowhere to run. He was trying to bounce it outside. He was trying to push the pile, but they, I mean, there was just nothing. They're really impressive by the lines. And, you know, I think a lot of people will probably look at this game. And they'll actually see it as oh, this is a bad sign for the Detroit Lions, you know, Goff is Falling off his good streak, you know, he's reverting back to x y or z whatever yada yada But actually like whatever was going on with Goff, he was clearly shook He was having a meltdown, right? He was five interceptions, and they had barely started the third quarter. And, but I think that the point that I'm making here is just that the team around him never stopped being excellent. Everything else was going well for the lines besides him himself. So it really was isolated to just him. Yeah, it was, I think it was a bad day for him. I think we've seen enough for him to think he's going to bounce back from this and the lines are going to be fine. You know what I mean? Like I
Jason:started losing streak next week.
Pershin:Okay, we'll see.
Jason:The
Pershin:Texans on the other hand, I, I, I feel like maybe Stroud is starting to actually lose confidence because I felt like for the first time that I've ever noticed. I saw him actually turning down passes. Like he, you could see the direction where his head is turned and it looks like he's got a dude open and he's not throwing the ball for some reason. It's like, is he just losing confidence now?
Jason:You know, it's like,
Pershin:I, I it's, he's officially part of the problem. I know that their offensive line has had a lot of injuries and that's part of the issue. Losing wide receivers doesn't help, but I think struts part of the problem too. He's really not playing as well as he did last year and. You know, I don't know why maybe just all the success got to his head and he just thought oh, yeah I'm gonna be the next big thing. I don't need to worry about it I don't need to work hard or I don't know but it's happening sophomore slump is there
Jason:Well, I mean, it's a good thing. They're in a shitty division. Hey
Pershin:They'll still make the playoffs.
Jason:It'll still make the playoffs as for the Lions. They've got the Packers to worry about. That's right Anything else on the weekend that you saw over the weekend that you wanted to highlight? Any games that you, you enjoyed listening to?
Pershin:You know, I will say that it did strike me the sort of like players rallying behind the interim head coach thing. I think that's what we saw in New Orleans. I think that's what we saw. I think Dennis Allen really is like an unpopular sort of head coach when it comes to players. I think he's not the sort of like players love him sort of head coach. And so even with tons of injuries and they got MVS walking in off the street here. Bro,
Jason:MVS.
Pershin:You see those guys just fucking, man, they're playing loose and they're playing hard because they're like, Oh, Dennis Allen's gone. And we fucking want to show up for the next guy. And we want to like,
Jason:Well, cause they know that there's going to be another, there's going to be another head coach and they want to make sure that they are in that, that coach's vision.
Pershin:Maybe I, I think they just don't like Dennis out and this is like a celebration sort of game. I think this is a real phenomenon. I think this is a real thing that happens in the NFL. A lot of times when the team's not going well, the head coach gets ousted. A lot of times I'd give a little bit of Jill, even if for a week or two, I think that's what we saw in new Orleans. Just. A lot of guys stepping up. Guys who have no idea who the hell they even are. Who even is Kevin Austin? Play after play after play, Kevin Austin's fucking getting open, shaking dudes. What? I'm like, I don't know what this is. But they just showed the fuck up. They seem to be playing really loose. And I think it has something to do with that.
Jason:You could say, you could say this though. I mean, Like if you're the team, you're losing, right? You've got the coach that's still there. He's losing. He's probably putting a lot of pressure to win to keep his job. So therefore it's just creating an environment where it's just like, Oh, this is annoying. Just finally gets fired. And you're just like, well, the season's over. So we might as well at least fucking just go out there and, and, you know, try to sling the ball, maybe do shit we don't normally do. And like, just try to have fun with it
Pershin:because it's not going to be serious about it anymore.
Jason:No, and now we don't have this guy making our lives hell every day. Breathing down
Pershin:our necks because he's trying to keep his job. Yeah,
Jason:exactly. Exactly. Yeah, man. Make sure I brought up all the things that I wanted to bring up.
Pershin:Did you want to touch on the fact that Debo Samuel attacked his own player? His own teammate?
Jason:Yeah, that's what I Debo swung a kicker and long snapper after the third missed field goal, man. He's not having
Pershin:it. I saw the, I saw the video. I, I was shocked. I was like, wow, you don't see a lot of that team on team action like that. He, he, he seriously was fed up. He's, he's like, you stupid bitches. If y'all don't get your shit together, I'm gonna beat your fucking ass.
Jason:Yeah, man, he wasn't having it, man. He wasn't having it. NFL, always ready to provide drama. Last but not least, the MAGA hat wearing Nick Bosa did officially get fined 11, 000. 500. So
Pershin:that's like nothing to him
Jason:really, really did a whole lot. Yeah, so that's what we got. If you want to holler at us, you can always reach us at pine pony podcast, 22 at gmail. com. We're on threads and Instagram at pine pony podcasts until next time. See you.
