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• jason strang • Season 2 • Episode 38

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This episode dives into a chaotic weekend of college football and NFL action. The guys discuss Clemson's loss to South Carolina, Miami's rollercoaster game against Syracuse, and Georgia's nail-biter against Georgia Tech. We also review Ohio State's unexpected defeat, Colorado's season turnaround, and the Michigan-Ohio State brawl. Shifting gears to the NFL, they analyze Josh Allen's incredible TD-reception play, the heated Buffalo Bills' field debate, and controversial calls from the Chiefs-Raiders game. Additionally, the hosts discuss Trevor Lawrence's injury, Travis Kelce's performance, and highlight-packed games like Broncos vs. Browns and Packers vs. Dolphins. Plus, listen in on hot takes regarding NFL goats for teams like the Packers, Chiefs, and Steelers. Don't miss this episode packed with analysis, highlights, and controversial moments!

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Jason:

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition, another fine edition of the Pine Pony podcast. It's Medio G. And as always got the fancy uncle what's happening, Persian.

Pershin:

Hey, Hey, howdy strain. Howdy to the populace. Glad to be back for another installment. Lots of chaos and college slash NFL this weekend. So let's jump right in.

Jason:

Yeah, let's let's get into it. We're gonna talk about college football and the controversy and the NFL and their controversies Just a controversial weekend if you will.

Pershin:

There are many controversies, yes

Jason:

So let's let's get into it. Let's start the show.

The Pied Pony Podcast.

Jason:

Alright, so Starting off. Let's just tell you how my Saturday just went before we get into college football You know, I'm hyped up. I'm thinking we're going to win this game. Clemson versus South Carolina. Clemson's playing pretty good. First half, you know, turnovers. Right. Anyway, we know how the outcome of the game went. I was just like, we do so pissed, right? It was three turnovers, three turnovers, and you don't win the game. No points in the second half. I don't know what happened to our offense. And the, The commentary of that game, if you're going to have commentary and you're going to have a bias, you should have at least another person with an equal bias for the other division. You need to balance it out, right? Like dude, this dude I forget his first name, but Acho, he's an SEC network employee. Okay. The entire game. Lenore Sellers. No, Lenore Sellers. Lenore Sellers ran in for a touchdown. Kate Klubnick ran in for two touchdowns. Guy, guy didn't even, guy acted like he didn't even exist.

Pershin:

Yeah. Yeah. I, I didn't catch the whole game. I only caught part of it, maybe like a third of it, but I think I know exactly what you're talking about because the guy was just kind of stroking the Carolina guys and

Jason:

dude, he got tackled for a. Don't get me wrong, Sellers made some great plays. He escaped a lot of, he escaped a lot of sacks cause we had him wrapped up in the backfield a few times and he escaped for a first down. There was a couple plays though that he was tackled for a loss and this dude would go, see now this is what Clemson needs to worry about, you know, Lenore Sellers just take it off and run it. I'm like, bro, we just tackled him for negative two yards, man. Like, how are you speaking positively about that play? Anyway, anyway, so, so Clemson lost. And I'm just distraught, season over. I turn to the Miami game. I say, alright. If Miami win loses this game, we've got a shot. This is our last shot to get in somehow. Well, Miami goes up 21 to 0 and I was just like, oh, all right, we can go do something else, we can go do something else, man. I'm not watching football anymore today. Yeah. But lo and behold, I start to look at my phone and here comes Syracuse. Here

Pershin:

comes the Orangemen. Man, they showed so much heart in that game.

Jason:

What a game. What a game. And they came back and they won it. And then the dude at the end, Syracuse's head coach goes, on the field he goes, Dabo Sweeney, you're welcome. Like he knew exactly what was at stake. And that was hilarious and I loved it.

Pershin:

It's like, yeah, send me that, send me that Christmas card to my house, bitch. Yeah,

Jason:

right. Yeah. And then by the end of the day, lo and behold, the fighting Dabo Sweeneys are back in the mix.

Pershin:

Not dead yet. They need to play better than they played against South Carolina though. Let's be real. That was disappointing.

Jason:

I mean, let's, let's unpack that game a little bit more. I

Pershin:

feel like the South Carolina

Jason:

turnover was kind of a big deal. They, well, they had three turnovers on South Carolina, number one. And number two, South Carolina didn't put up a lot of points. Like they didn't score for a majority of that. That was a defensive game. So for me looking at the SMU game. I am concerned about the SMU offense just because they have put up a lot of points, but also I don't, I, without like com looking at their schedule and breaking it down, I, I, I feel like they just haven't really played a big time defense either. And so this will be a true test for SMU and you, you know, what's their defense gonna be like? Because I could see Cage is. Cause Kate hasn't played bad in the last couple of games. Like the interception at the end of that game. See, and that's the other thing at the end of this last game, the interception was literally, it, it, it was, it was behind the, it was behind the receiver. Number one, that was a bad throw, but it's still bounces off of Moffa's hands into like an inch above the ground to a South Carolina guy's hand. So it's just like,

Pershin:

Yeah, it was a bad throw, but it wasn't like, it wasn't necessarily that bad.

Jason:

Right. It's like, what are you going to do? And we were, you know, going to kick a field. We could have kicked a field goal or whatever to tie it up. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I, what's interesting though, is now I'm seeing a lot of brackets. Like no one's respecting SMU except for like maybe the college football playoff committee. But when you look at like all these social media and news media pundits, they all had Miami beating ACC title game and now several of them got Clemson beating SMU in the title game So

Pershin:

I think that they're They're overlooking SMU a bit here. I mean they did have to get through the ACC to get here I mean they're here As the clear number one seed, because they had a good record and a power five conference, you know what I mean? It's like I think they absolutely could win this game. I think Clemson is going to have to come with their good stuff.

Jason:

Well, here's the record. I mean, here's their car, here's their play. Here's their schedule real quick. Nevada, Houston, Christian BYU was their only loss. Mm hmm. TCU, Florida state, Louisville. Stanford, Duke, Pitt, Boston College, Virginia, California So, you know,

Pershin:

yeah, yeah. When

Jason:

you're looking at their strength, it's more so

Pershin:

like they've got some decent teams mixed in, then they actually have good ones. So their strength of schedule. See, the funny thing is, is like at the beginning of the season, we would have actually been like, okay, this is a decently tough schedule. But looking back, a lot of those schools no longer

Jason:

seen. Yeah. So it's like. So their strength of schedule ended up being 64th. Where Clemson's strength of schedule is 54th. So, you know, take, take with that what you will. Yeah. They, they play it on the field. We'll see what happens. And I, what else is, you got to be interesting though, because SMU joined the ACC, that's a big time travel for SMU fans. And you got to think this is going to be a home game for Clemson being in Charlotte, like an hour and a half away.

Pershin:

Oh, sure.

Jason:

You know what I mean?

Pershin:

Sure. I mean, you're talking about the, the much bigger program with all the prestige and history behind it, and then it's much closer anyway. I mean, yeah, you got to imagine that Clemson crowd's going to turn up here. We'll

Jason:

see.

Pershin:

We'll see. I mean, it's either way, you know, it's pretty exciting that there's still a shot. Yeah, any, any given week, who knows what can happen? We've seen all kinds of craziness. So who's to say that Clemson can't show up and really turn it on at the end here. You know what I mean? Like, I think it's cool that there still is a chance. I do think that they're going to have to play better than, than what we've seen.

Jason:

Oh, for sure.

Pershin:

But I mean, Hey, there's still a shot, baby. Like, that's all, that's all you're looking for. At the end of the day, At the end of the day, that's, that's all that the 12 schools have. Hey, at this point,

Jason:

at this point, Clemson's playing with house money. There is no need to play scared. Absolutely. Just go out there and play football.

Pershin:

There's been so much disappointment that the fan base is now like, Alright, this is better than what I expected.

Jason:

Right, right. So anyway, South Carolina loses to Clemson. I mean, Clemson loses to South Carolina. I wish it was the other way. Tulane upset, number 17 Tulane got upset by Memphis 34 24 Georgia Tech. Gave Georgia quite the run, eight overtimes, eight overtimes. And Georgia is the number five team in the country. It's

Pershin:

not like, Oh, they got a couple big plays off of some big bounces. They were playing toe to toe with them. Not just the whole game, but for fucking seven overtimes in a row. It's like,

Jason:

well, and not to mention they were up 17 to zero on them in the first half going into halftime. So,

Pershin:

yeah, I mean, that, that was wild. That was what, I mean, do you think that says more about Georgia tech or do you think that says more about Georgia?

Jason:

I think that says more about Georgia that I, I mean, we've been seeing how I'm feeling, we've been seeing it all season long where Georgia has lost some games and they've escaped a lot of games. They just haven't been the same type national title, Georgia that we have not

Pershin:

been as dominant as the past few years. Right,

Jason:

right, right. And then moving on down Colorado handed Oklahoma state. It's final big 12 loss This is the first time they have they had they did not win a single big 12 game since 94

Pershin:

Oh, wow.

Jason:

Yeah, oklahoma state. Damn. Yeah, that guy's getting fired I don't think he is he's been there forever gundy I

Pershin:

mean if you if you've fallen off that hard though, I mean It they got to be at least considering

Jason:

so real quick. Is this a is this a You Like you got to imagine this is a winning they're like, this is a good great season for colorado Like even though they're not going to be in the playoffs man, this is they had their shot to win the big 12 and they Fumbled it against kansas.

Pershin:

It's almost like the clemson thing except for on a smaller scale because Clemson's expectations are a bit higher than what colorados are off off the top but that being said with all of You The chaos and the controversy that came out about various happenings and goings on in the organization since Prime has been there. My expectations were actually really low. And then the way that that first couple games went, I was like, okay, yeah, this is a shit show, this is a fucking circus. And it's being reflected on the field. And so it's basically kind of like how, how you're feeling with Clemson, where it's like, Hey, at this point in the season, I'll take it. You know what I mean? And all things being said. We were a more competitive team than what I was expecting. And so I'll take it. I'll take it.

Jason:

I mean, coach prime said he's going to hit the portal again. Like you've never seen. So I think the fact that they were able to turn things around is really going to help that in two years, dude, two years. They went from one win, one single win.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

it

Pershin:

was nine, it was, you know, bottom of the barrel. It was as bad as it can get

Jason:

nine. I mean, he went from one to four wins to, to nine wins.

Pershin:

Yeah. I think when you, when you couple the constant media attention on prime and the organization via his antics, would you couple that with the fact that they actually did turn things around and they started to be much more competitive? then I think that you're going to get a lot more kids willing to jump in the portal and come to Colorado and be part of that attention. Like they want to be in these games that matter. They want to be you know, with all of the reporters after the game asking them, yada, yada, whatnot, whatnot. And so I do think that, that for all of the controversy, Colorado has become a place where you can pull in some pretty good portal guys.

Jason:

Absolutely. Yeah, that makes sense, man. Oh, so moving down to another controversial game, Michigan beating Ohio state. Wow. I did not see that coming, man. Ohio state. And then the, the brawl afterwards where we had police using pepper spray. On the player. Wild, wild, wild, wild. I mean, all because Michigan planted a flag. I mean, hey, Ohio State, don't lose the game. You don't get the flag. You don't want people

Pershin:

planning flags, beat them then. Like what, what I, it's so ridiculous. It's, I think that that is the silliest thing to get butthurt over. I mean, you see all the time, not, not just at the college level, even in the pros, but certainly at the college level too, like, like somebody levels a big hit on a receiver receivers looking the other way, they get hit by the blind side. And then that defender's like, yeah, bitch, you don't want it. And like, no one, no one says anything. They're just like, oh yeah, that's, that's what happens. But then when you get beat and someone wants to plan a fight, what's the difference, man, like people are always going to talk their shit. When they're winning, especially. And like this, it was just a crazy thing to get so upset about. I, you

Jason:

know, what else is crazy? That wasn't the only brawl from a flag planting on this day.

Pershin:

Oh, that's the only one I saw. I didn't see another bro. UNC

Jason:

NC state got in a fight for the same thing. Why

Pershin:

same thing? People really don't like this flag shit, bro.

Jason:

Yeah, bro. Yeah. And I think it happened somewhere else, but I can't remember. I can't remember. It's crazy, man. I

Pershin:

like how opposing players can run past your sideline, talk all kinds of shit, and you're just like, yeah, whatever. But if they want to go and plant a flag in the field, you're like, oh no. No, no, no. Oh no, no. Those are fighting words.

Jason:

Yeah, you don't disrespect the logo of the field, buddy. Okay, you don't disrespect the logo.

Pershin:

I think that you should suck it up and Understand that people are gonna talk their shit when you when they beat you. Oh, yeah.

Jason:

I'm TO all the way I'm gonna go stand in the middle of the star and put my hands out, you know

Pershin:

That's right That's right.

Jason:

Like, fuck your couch, man. Come on.

Pershin:

That's right. Hey, you want to plant a flag, then get a win, bitch.

Jason:

Yeah. So the nighttime primetime game, Texas versus Texas A& M Texas A& M lost. So Texas is going on to the SEC title game and A& M is unranked. So what a, what a wild game. Like A& M could have went to the SEC title game with a win or be unranked with a loss.

Pershin:

I mean, it's such a competitive conference right now, though. I mean, that's kind of that. That's just means

Jason:

more, but just

Pershin:

also it means more. It's also the more meaningful.

Jason:

So then check this out. Another game, Notre Dame, almost, almost. In fact, they probably would, should have lost this game. However, they played against USC and the guy from the quarterback from USC through not one. But two pick sixes of 99 and 100 yards

Pershin:

That's fucking wild.

Jason:

Yeah, so meaning they were literally all they had to do was run the ball into the end zone And they win this game. That's 14 points and that's what they lost by

Pershin:

Damn, that's rough. That's rough. Yeah, that's basically a 28 point swing.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

Yeah, man, that's rough.

Jason:

Wow. Yeah. And then yeah, so Indiana whooped Purdue 66 to zero. I mean, there is something to be said. They did beat like every team other than Ohio State by like 50 points, man. They put it on them.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

we'll see what we'll see there. I mean, they're probably been

Pershin:

really bad this year. So

Jason:

yeah,

Pershin:

it's not necessarily a big deal But it is it is I think it matters at some point, right? When the committee's looking at these wins and losses, it's like, well, all of their wins are by fucking, well, that's why they're going to points

Jason:

and shit. That's why everybody's complaining about them. But that's why everyone's like they should be in their beating teams by like large margins. Like,

Pershin:

yeah.

Jason:

Cause a

Pershin:

lot of these schools that are heavy favorites and then they don't even cover. And so it's like when you, when you're supposed to dominate, Go ahead and dominate, you know what I mean? Like,

Jason:

so then we continue with the big 12 and, and Arizona state did its job. They came out and won. So they are on to the, the, the big 12 title game and potentially the playoffs

Pershin:

and they're connected. They're facing off against Arizona.

Jason:

They beat Arizona and they are going to go against excuse me, one second. They will play Iowa state, Iowa state in the big 12 championship. So Iowa state did their job and beat Kansas state by eight points. And then BYU whooped up on Houston. And yeah, so that was the college football weekend. Let's let's get, let's go to the rankings real quick. Starting out at number one is Oregon, Texas, Penn state, Notre Dame, Georgia. Ohio State, Tennessee, SMU, Indiana, Boise State, Alabama, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina at 14, Arizona State, Iowa State, Clemson at 17, BYU, Missouri, UNLV, Illinois, Syracuse, Colorado, Army, West Point, and Memphis. So starting just real quick on this, it's kind of lame that Ohio State did not drop outside the top 10 considering they played basically no one all season. Their two losses were against, but Michigan and another Oregon. I think they played Oregon and lost.

Pershin:

Yeah. I'm not sure who the other last one. I'm

Jason:

not sure who

Pershin:

that was. What I was thinking too, when you were reeling off the names there, I was like, yeah, all of this pretty much what I expected, except. I thought Ohio State would get penalized more so for losing to

Jason:

what's been an

Pershin:

underwhelming Michigan team. You know what I mean?

Jason:

Which they didn't. And then everybody's the big scandal going into the, the playoffs. So the projected seeds are Oregon is the one seed. Texas is the two seed. Penn State is the five seed. Notre Dame is the sixth seed. Georgia's seven. Ohio State eight. Tennessee nine. Michigan Technological University SMU being the third seed, Indiana being the 10, Boise State the 4th, Bama the 11th, and Arizona State the 12th. And that's based off of, and this is where people don't understand. That's

Pershin:

basically like predicting who's going to win the, the championships. It's

Jason:

not even predicting that. This isn't even predicting anything. This is simply saying, based off of the rankings. That's literally

Pershin:

just the rankings right now.

Jason:

This is where these teams would be. It has is it's not, it's, there's no calculations. There's no logic. There's nothing like, well, there's no like scenarios. It is purely saying

Pershin:

just literally the top 12. I gotcha.

Jason:

It's not even that like Arizona state's ranked 15th, but they're, they would be, you know, they're the highest ranked group of five team at the top right now. So, you know, and so. Yeah, and like people are up at low well how like it's crazy that clemson could get a first round by Or you know this and that it's like well We we don't know that yet because currently if they were to win the accchampionship game And Arizona State were to win, Clemson would be ranked behind Arizona State, therefore Arizona State would get the first round five, and Clemson would not. So it's just like, oh, they do this every year, and this is the only reason why they do the rankings, is because people get up in arms, and they like to have people talking about this stuff. Yeah. And it's like, why, like, cause it's like, why do a preseason ranking? Like if you have it and if you're doing the rankings, they're not doing it off of this year because if they were you wouldn't know who how good a team was because you have 30 17 year olds coming in that like you're going to your high school like

Pershin:

yeah, especially nowadays like It was already dubious in the past when you were basing off of like how many four or five star kids they brought in and Now not only are you looking at that, but you're trying to look at how people Players are going to transition from other schools via the portal. It's like, man, nobody knows how the chips are going to fall these days. Like, like here, a

Jason:

perfect example, Florida state was ranked top five at the beginning of the season. I mean, probably the most disappointing team in the nation, top five, the beginning of the season. You're telling me that that wasn't based off of last year's 13 to no season and obviously who they have coming back. Yeah. But it's like, if you look at that team this year and only this year, and from someone who's had DJ ukulele on my team, him as a starting quarterback, I'm going to tell you right now, that's not a top five team.

Pershin:

Yeah, like, it don't matter, the rest of the team doesn't even matter. He's not going to have you in the top five for long,

Jason:

bitch. It's like, so for them to be in the, the, the only way to truly solve all of this is the rankings should not come out until midway through the season when teams have played at least five or six games. And then. Because the SEC and the Big Ten all bank on this. Every, like, SEC has six teams ranked, right?

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

Well, I wonder who, like, and then, so then they all play each other. So then it's like, oh, well, this is a good loss. Well, because it's a ranked team. Well, this is a good win because it's a ranked team. And it's like, well, yeah, half the conference is ranked at the beginning of the season.

Pershin:

Yeah, exactly. It's a, it's a situation where the rich are going to get richer because now you're officially putting them on that pedestal. They haven't even had to earn anything yet. Just from expectation, they've already got the advantage. So it's

Jason:

like,

Pershin:

it's like yeah, it, it, it just doesn't do much to level the playing field. If you do have group of five schools, or even just underdog power, five schools, whatever it would be that do actually show out, they've got to show out even that much more to get the proper sort of placement down the, down the further in the season, because everyone's leaning on their priors, you know.

Jason:

Yeah, I mean at least with this the group of five has a shot like you get a good you get it You get a team in there. You almost could get a couple teams in there.

Pershin:

Oh, yeah I mean, there's there's always things to gripe about but i'm definitely excited about the direction that they've been heading here

Jason:

but i'm wondering if after next week because Some of this you gotta think is gonna change right? So after next week, let's look at the games real quick coming up next week So you've got Unlv versus boise state, you know, basically Boise State's playing for a shot to get in the playoffs. Cause they'll need to be ranked higher than no, no, no, nevermind. Yep. They're playing for their shot in the playoffs to basically keep their ranking high enough, I guess. Then you got Tulane versus Army. We'll see what happens. I don't know. I don't know if they even have a shot out

Pershin:

of the mix I believe

Jason:

so.

Pershin:

Okay.

Jason:

And I think Army is still in the mix. So We'll see. I don't know if they are really, to be honest. So then you got Clemson, SMU, Iowa State versus Arizona State, Georgia versus Texas, Penn State versus Oregon.

Pershin:

So do you think it's possible if Texas comes out and puts a whooping on Georgia that Georgia's out of it? Or are they just in it no matter what at this point?

Jason:

Well, see, and that's what I'm saying is everyone, people are up in arms, you know, Georgia, this like hasn't looked, they haven't, you know, whatever. And that's what I'm saying. If they lose this game, I just don't see how you can't have like, what is their path at an at large bid if they're a three loss team and you're talking and they're already putting in Alabama, a three loss team in there, right? So Georgia loses. How do you not put South Carolina in as a three loss team? Like at that point, and South Carolina has had some pretty impressive wins too. Right. And their only losses are to like LSU and Alabama and LSU, you could argue was a fraudulent loss because they got helped out by the refs. And I mean, they even, they went toe to toe with Alabama. So it's like, do they not get any credit for any of that? So I'm, I'm hesitant to like get up in arms with what I'm seeing now, only because I know after next week. Depending on teams that lose this could change and then all of a sudden next thing, you know, you've got maybe

Pershin:

Right,

Jason:

you know some all

Pershin:

this stuff that we're debating right now might not matter at all Right, like

Jason:

Bama might not get in everybody's pissed for Bama getting in but when you look at Bama's record there So based on strength of schedule Georgia has the toughest out of what we see here. Georgia has the toughest with the 10th 10th toughest Or Alabama does with the 9th and then Georgia with the 10th and then Texas with the 15th. But again, all of that's based off of last year's information going into this season because we ranked them before we actually played them. Right. So they collected maybe a couple of ranked tough wins or they played tough teams because they were in the SEC, right?

Pershin:

Right. Perfect.

Jason:

You know, and I'm not saying that that's not a tough conference. I think it truly is. But, you know, they get help. They get help.

Pershin:

Yeah, it's not that it's not a good conference. It's just that whether they are or they aren't, you shouldn't be building in extra advantages for them. If anything, you should be trying to create more parity. Right. If anything, I'm not saying you should fuck with it either way, but if you were going to be Advantaging or disadvantaging? Why why do it with the with the ones that already have the advantage, you know, I mean, yeah These schools have so many more resources than the lesser schools like Come on, man. They don't need our help

Jason:

Absolutely. Absolutely. So that's the playoff bracket again another wild weekend. I expect another Crazy weekend next weekend. I think Clemson's gonna win. I just like

Pershin:

the end of this season has really caught my attention or and or held my attention. Much better than a long for quite a while now. I haven't been interested in college football that much and then this year It's like man. This really is kind of exciting for a lot of a lot of what's going on is like Pretty cool. I think, I think mostly it's just this 12 team playoff is really changing a ton of dynamics. So,

Jason:

yeah, absolutely. I think Oregon's going to beat Penn State. Texas will beat Georgia. Arizona State will be Iowa State. And then my homer pick Clemson beat an SMU. Army over Tulane and Boise State over UNLV.

Pershin:

See, I, what I hope happens is that Texas Not only beats Georgia, but they beat them like decisively.

Jason:

Yeah, like they spank them.

Pershin:

And then you're going to have like actually a hard,

Jason:

yeah, it's going to be hard to justify

Pershin:

having Georgia in there. After they

Jason:

went eight overtimes?

Pershin:

And, you know, some of them are going to want to do it just because they're going to have deference toward the SEC. And I just feel like if Georgia comes out and does well, or if the game's just really close, then It's going to be they're going to be able to justify it. If they're going to be able to sort of weasel their way out of it. But I think if it's clear to most fans, what's going on here, then they're going to get called out more. And of course I thought they should have been called out it. Well, they were called out. It was a controversy last year with the FSU shit. But I thought that it was clearly hypocritical the way that they chose to make the decision and evaluate the teams versus what they had said previously. And I, I still think that we need to fucking make sure that we're holding them to account. You know what I mean?

Jason:

Oh yeah, absolutely. We shall see what happens. Move it on to the big boys, the NFL. Let's talk about some news and some highlights. So let's first talk about the Trevor Lawrence hit as he's sliding. Yeah. Aziz comes in shoulder, shoulders him to the head.

Pershin:

I mean, it looks to me like he purposely like threw his elbow into his

Jason:

helmet, launched, he launched, he came off of the ground.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

Like there's no need, like, and so, so many people are defending this hit. including his GM, his coach. Oh, he's just defending the first down marker. He's Mark Slareth is defending it, all these other people. And it's like, Oh, well, and the way they're defending it is this. Well, it's either he's a runner at this point. So if he gets hit, he gets hit, you know, we shouldn't be protecting him after he's a runner, which is the age old thing. They've been saying all this fucking time since Mike Vick was in the NFL. And then the other one is, well, Patrick Mahomes fake slides all the time. So you'd ever know. So, you know, you got to hit them. Number one, with all of that, when you look at the play, Trevor Lawrence isn't coming close to a fake slide. He's also His feet are way out in front of him. He's also, he's also, in my opinion, a yard to a half a yard short of the line to gain. So what are you talking about? You're defending the first down marker. You did defend it by just being there. You didn't even have to hit him. Yeah,

Pershin:

if he's sliding on his ass Then you simply putting your hands on him would be enough. Even if the refs don't think that they counted as a slide, right? If he's on his ass, you, all you gotta do is touch him. And I understand like when, when these situations happen, a lot of times it's hard to tell what the intent was because it's just bang, bang, it's just so. Instant, you know, it's just really bang, bang. This did not seem like a bang, bang play to me. This, this seemed like he had ample time to pull up. Like I can understand where he's like, Oh, he was expecting a collision. So he was off balance or something. Okay. That's fine. But the thing is that he does the opposite of trying to pull up in any way. He does. Yeah. He instead. It looks to my eyes like he purposely throws his. His forearm straight into Trevor Lawrence's helmet and it's like whoa What like it didn't look anything like a fake slide or like and he gave us he gave us like

Jason:

the et hand He gave us the et hands too. You knew immediately his fist was just sitting in the air and you're like Oh, yeah, yeah,

Pershin:

and I mean you immediately

Jason:

concussed him. How do you mean that's not a dirty hit?

Pershin:

Yeah, and you could see the back of his helmet just slam and bounce off of the ground like god damn like damn I think he

Jason:

deserved all of the fine all of the suspension. Not

Pershin:

only that but he has a history of this shit So it's really really hard for me to believe that this was some sort of an accident when he's been unnecessarily dirty and rough with his With people, you know, it's just, it's

Jason:

just what he said, right? He said after the game that I didn't hear his comment, his comment after the game is that he is going to hit you as hard as he, his play style is I'm going to hit you as hard as I possibly can. And pray that you get up. See,

Pershin:

that's stupid. That makes no sense. That makes no sense.

Jason:

So, to tell me that there was no intent of a dirty hit there?

Pershin:

That sounds like the 1970s NFL. Like, we don't do that anymore. Like, I'm sorry, but it's just like, the league for very good reason has decided that they're going to try to protect quarterbacks and that quarterbacks are allowed to slide. You can call it pansy, you can call it namby pamby, I don't give a shit. The point is that he knows the fucking rules, and he knows that when a player gives themselves up via slide, then you're supposed to let off.

Jason:

We've watched it countless times, where, where, where quarterbacks slide and people have jumped over them, or even just stumbled into them, or just fell

Pershin:

down next to them. Literally just like, oh, oh, I'm off balance, I'mma, I'mma put my hand down, and I'mma just fall down over here, or whatever. He does the exact

Jason:

opposite. Right, and, and no one even gets a flag, even if you just fall on top of them. You don't get a flag like because you're like, you know, you're not trying to hit him, but you know, he slides into you Or something.

Pershin:

It actually makes it much worse. Like hearing his response there is like Wow,

Jason:

piece of shit. It's really he

Pershin:

really is like, yeah, i'ma hit this guy as hard as I can Even though I know that he's trying to slide right now There's absolutely no reason for it. And then on top of it When you say that you want to hit somebody as hard as you can usually you mean tackle them with your shoulder This motherfucker is purposely throwing his elbow out there To a player that he knows is coming back from what a clap a broken clavicle Is that what it was a a neck injury or or a chest injury or something? It's like It's like, given his past, it's easy to believe that he thought he might have a chance to hurt somebody. You see what I'm saying? It's like, Oh

Jason:

yeah, man. I agree. This guy has been fined multiple times for dirty hits, for after play hits, for sportsman unlike conducts.

Pershin:

When you've already had several strikes and then your worst one yet comes way down the line like this. I mean, I think that they should just literally be like, okay, you're not playing for the remainder of the season. Your next strike is just like, I mean, he's

Jason:

basically done for the season. It's three, three games, which is only four weeks.

Pershin:

Oh, that's true. But still I mean literally I would have done more I would have been like, okay There's not that much time left in the season So you can't play the remainder of the season and the first six weeks of next season or something like that yeah, because the thing is like This that's a lot you you got to understand though. Like this guy has a history of this shit. Oh,

Jason:

I understand That's

Pershin:

And then this was egregious, and it doesn't just, it's not just the him problem. Like, people who don't give a fuck about the, the, the football necessarily, whatever, Like this reflects on the entire league. You see what I'm saying? No, I get it. I get it. I mean,

Jason:

I get it I mean, like you should be like, you want to suspend a man for four games this year and then Give him more consequences the next season. Yeah, like I mean, that's

Pershin:

Like we like

Jason:

this you can't you can't give consequences in my opinion You can't give consequences from one season to to to carry over to the next season It either ends at the regular at that season or it begins at the next season. You can't have it carry over to the next to seven months later.

Pershin:

Why?

Jason:

Why not?'cause that's because they do that all the time. They do investigations

Pershin:

from like a,

Jason:

a year and a half after. They do investigations. They do investigations, they do investigations, but they don't do like, usually the suspension is within, contained within the season. The investigation might go on long. But they, I, I don't, I can't recall where they suspended people multiple seasons. My personal

Pershin:

opinion is that this is so egregious and such a bad look, that the NFL should,

Jason:

should, Yeah, we get it.

Pershin:

That they should make it, that they should be like, zero tolerance, this is not accepted, like,

Jason:

Well, it's a little late for zero tolerance.

Pershin:

I mean, I've been letting so many other players get

Jason:

away with the same shit. I don't see many

Pershin:

plays as bad as this one.

Jason:

I mean, I agree, but there's been so

Pershin:

many,

Jason:

when you combine it, we've talked about a plenty of 30 years

Pershin:

when you, when you talk about the track record that he already had, like, nah, man.

Jason:

Okay. All right. There's so many other players with so many other track records that don't get near the suspensions or anything like that. This is all I'm saying. And like to make it go to what? 12 games. Like, that's just crazy. Like, just, just do it this season. Just, just do, just, just, just don't even spend them for the rest of the year. Just do the whole season. Half a season.

Pershin:

For this year, Just do the whole season.

Jason:

That's just dumb. Moving on. Moving on. Anyway. Trevor Lawrence.

Pershin:

Get well.

Jason:

I don't think he's going to come back from that one. Anyway, let's talk about I, I saw something fun on the internet the other day and it was NFL goats per team. So, I just wrote down a few. The Steelers was mean Joe Green. Remember him? I don't, but yeah. The Packers, of course. Aaron Rodgers, even though I disagree with that one. Like, when you look at his stats, maybe, but when you actually watch his whole and look at his whole body of work, what did he accomplish? Two MVPs, a couple of records, but one Superbowl, one Superbowl. And when we're talking about a team's goat, to me, it's not somebody who brings me one fucking Superbowl. Like to me, it should be like Bart star or Vince Lombardi. I mean, if we're going to put anybody as the goat, let's put Vince Lombardi, the namesake of the Superbowl as our goat. My God. So anyway, I

Pershin:

kind of like the Bart star idea

Jason:

because he

Pershin:

did get two or three. Didn't he? Mm. Yeah. Many championships. So I, I like, I like that idea.

Jason:

Yeah. You won't be surprised by this one. Broncos. Who do you think?

Pershin:

Oh, it's gotta be Steve

Jason:

Atwater. John Elway. Yeah. Yeah. Panthers. Cam Newton. Hmm. I will say

Pershin:

that I, I agree with the John Elway. I do agree with it.

Jason:

Yeah, I couldn't think of anybody else And then the chiefs none other than pat mahomes still playing and he's already their goat He is

Pershin:

though. He is their

Jason:

And then speaking of let's get into some of the games but before let's talk about the the bills in their field It's not heated There's plenty of other heated fields, like the Steelers, the Packers, the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Broncos, they all have heated fields. You gotta wonder, why, when they built this stadium, knowing that they would get lake effect, like, it is notorious for snowing more here than like basically anywhere else in New York because of where it's located on the lake. And I'm talking At this stadium,

Pershin:

right?

Jason:

Because people were like, literally like, Oh no, it's fine. On the other side of town. Like, but just like right off of this Lake. So to me, I'm like, why wouldn't you build it with a heated field? But nonetheless, the new stadium is going to get a heated field. It's going to have, you know, a ceiling for fans, even though it's still going to be open air. So it still gets snow, but the fans might be protected a little more from the elements. So, I think it looks pretty cool.

Pershin:

What do you think of it? They're going to have a roof, but it's going to be retractable? Is that what it is?

Jason:

No. No. So, think of so, it's going to have like a, just the stands are going to have a roof. Like, and it's not going to be the full stands, it's just going to be like an overhang. So, it's going to be almost like

Pershin:

a donut sort of situation. Yes. I couldn't

Jason:

think of it, but yes, a donut.

Pershin:

Okay. Okay.

Jason:

Yeah, all right And then people are like why wouldn't you build a roof like that just seems so dumb and and it's like well, no That's what the bills fans wanted. They don't want a roof because this is an incredible home field advantage And the mayor himself even said We don't have the infrastructure to host a super bowl anyway So who cares?

Pershin:

Yeah. It's like Buffalo.

Jason:

We're not trying to get the Superbowl. We don't want the Superbowl. Like, of course you want it, but it's like,

Pershin:

yeah, we're

Jason:

not actively pursuing the Superbowl. We just want to give our fans an upgraded experience with the same home field advantage. Their

Pershin:

city would be absolutely overwhelmed with, yeah,

Jason:

it'd be like green Bay hosting a Superbowl. Impossible. So with that being said, what'd you think of the bills? Game with the Josh Allen Omari Cooper touchdown. Like just insane. It's probably

Pershin:

my favorite play of 20, 24. So what

Jason:

did Patrick Mahone, what did Patrick Mahone's wife say? Like he can't catch the ball and, or whose, whose wife said that he can't throw the ball and catch it. Well, yeah, you can move on over. He can't, he not only hold his fear, he threw it and he received it. He got double the points on that for fantasy, man.

Pershin:

What's funny is like after the game, he was asking, he was like, does that, does that get scored as, as, as he has himself. Yeah. He was like, does that get scored as, as I threw it and I caught it. And she's like, yeah, yeah, it does. And he was like, Oh, that's so good. I think she actually mentioned something about hope you started him in fantasy or whatever. And he goes, yeah, yeah. I started myself tonight in fantasy.

Jason:

I think I just I like Josh Allen right now. I, right after that, right after that whole fantasy thing, I was like, man, I really, I like this guy right now. I

Pershin:

can relate to someone who's into fantasy.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah. Man, that was Wait,

Pershin:

were you anti Josh Allen up until now? I mean, I always thought he was,

Jason:

I always just thought he was a butt.

Pershin:

Oh, just as a player.

Jason:

Yeah. Like he was just cheeks and like, I just didn't really, like, I just didn't really, I thought he kind of had an ego for throwing a lot of interceptions.

Pershin:

I felt like he was always overrated just because people didn't pay enough attention to all the turnovers. But of course, now that he is really like cut down on the turnovers this year and still made a lot of big plays now, I kind of feel like he really, he really deserves some of the MVP talk. Yeah.

Jason:

He only threw four incomplete passes in that whole game.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

I mean insane.

Pershin:

Yeah. And he had a hundred percent completion rate to himself, which is, which is amazing. Oh man. No, but I just real quickly, I just want to say like excellent play by Amari Cooper. I mean, it was, it was not something. That was practiced beforehand or anything. This was obviously just in the moment he recognized that he had an opportunity to turn a good play into an even better one. And he executed it well and both of them executed well. So great play. I, I loved the play. I, I watched it over. I literally went. Online and searched it just so I could watch it over and over again. A few more times. It's probably my favorite play of the entire Well,

Jason:

and cause he dove to get to the pile on. Yeah,

Pershin:

yeah,

Jason:

yeah. Very cool.

Pershin:

All the way around. Well executed.

Jason:

So moving from there, let's talk about the Thanksgiving day games. There were three of them and all but one were really good. We're pretty solid games. Cowboys beat the giants 27, 20. That game

Pershin:

was better than I expected it to be, honestly.

Jason:

Yep, it was great. Lions beat the Bears 23 to 20 and of course the Packers absolutely spanked the Dolphins 30 to 17. What do you think about those those games starting with Giants Cowboys? What do you think about that game?

Pershin:

I like the Giants Cowboys game more than I thought it would. I thought that this was going to be kind of like a couple sloppy offenses and Just a whole bunch of ineptness like these aren't even good defenses, but I figured it would be a low scoring affair We're good

Jason:

quarterbacks.

Pershin:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly I just I just thought that things were gonna be so inept that nobody was gonna move the ball well, but actually I tuned in and I saw a bunch of players making some pretty good plays and I Thought it was an entertaining game I really enjoyed the Lions Bears game. I was frustrated. Like most people were not even because I'm a Bears fan, but just as a football fan, the way it ended just was so unsatisfying. It's it's you know, how do

Jason:

you like the Eberflug? I like that real quick. Let's unpack that real quick. Cause how do you even get to this point? Number one, your rookie quarterback, it's a rookie quarterback. He might be fighting you as a coach have to get them out. That's your job to call that timeout. If needed to number two, you got to talk to your rookie quarterback more because why is your rookie quarterback changing the play

Pershin:

that

Jason:

you called with six seconds left to go? Why does he not know what's going on? Why does he not know that they have a timeout left? Like. Like what? Yeah. So I

Pershin:

mean, even if you want to say like, Oh, this is obviously on Caleb. The thing is that like, who's the one to make sure that Caleb's prepared for these situations though. Right. It's like, you know, Caleb is struggling like a lot of rookie quarterbacks do. Okay. But the thing is like, it's pretty obvious that he's not an idiot. He's not dumb. Okay. You could have had him prepared for those sorts of situations. And even when you're in the moment, you could be communicating with him in the moment to make sure that he's not doing what he shouldn't be doing. And then on top of it, it was obviously a shit show and it was really sloppy. And then what made it way worse in my eyes was that after the game in the presser, he refused to saying, no, no, no, no, this, this went just the way that, that I, that I wanted it to, it went perfectly. It just the ball didn't bounce our way the results weren't there today, but the process was on point No, it wasn't bro.

Jason:

That was the second time. He said he wouldn't change a thing about the way that

Pershin:

is ridiculous Everyone can see right through that dude Like you you just need to own it You just need to say like I I need to have my guys more prepared for that I need to be in control in that situation. He honestly looked like he was just a spectator instead of a head coach. They, they actually, during the broadcast kept panning over to the sideline and you could see him just kind of blankly staring like he doesn't know what to do or he's waiting for other people to handle the situation. And so it's like, dude, the buck stops with you, bro. You're the one that should be active right now. Talking to your coaches. Talking to Caleb, making sure that what you want to happen happens. And then for you to be like, Oh yeah, it went how I wanted it to go. Like, wait, so you practice to waste the time out then? Like what's that? Like,

Jason:

bro, to, to be fair, he should have been fired at the beginning of the season because

Pershin:

yeah, I agree

Jason:

listening to unsportsmanlike every morning. One of the philosophies by one of the guys on there, I can't, I can't remember his name escapes me right now. Not Chris Cansy, but the other guy. If you have a terrible coach or a coach, that's just kind of mediocre and you go in the draft and you get a new quarterback, it never, it usually never works out. The coach ends up getting fired. And then you end up with a, another QB with another office coordinator, another head coach. He's got a reload in my opinion. If you're looking for a new quarterback and you don't have a good coach, like, you know, like like a Matt LaFleur or Kyle Shanahan or somebody like that. Andy Reed, you got to fire the head coach. You got to start with a new head coach and a new QB at the same time.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

Can't, can't do one. They got to be on the same timeline. Plus,

Pershin:

even if things go awry that first season, at least now you've got that sort of built in expectation that it might take a minute. So they're both going to get at least a second year to get it together. So it is unfortunate for a rookie quarterback to learn a system and then the very second, the very next, you know, sophomore season have to start from square one in a lot of aspects.

Jason:

Absolutely. Well, let's go on to the third game where my guy, Jordan Love, 21 for 28, two tutties, 274. I mean, my guy was slinging the rock.

Pershin:

Yeah, I gotta give you, I gotta give your boys credit, man. I was discounting the Packers. I was like, man, the Dolphins are hot right now. They're coming in. I think that they're going to pull off the upset and no, they didn't, they didn't, the, the Packers offense looked great. Their defense looked better than I thought they would versus this. The ground game in particular was, you know, the, the dolphins always have pretty good ground schemes and they really did a really good job of basically minimizing any of those huge plays from a chain. And yeah, I mean, just pretty good performance. They've been doing a really good job of establishing the run with Jacob's early in these games. And it's. Sets up sort of passing plays for later in the game. If you need them in this game, they really just kind of kept working the ground game. But I think that it was just a well, a well performed game. And there's been a lot of games this season where I felt like the Packers could have had a much better performance if there just wasn't as many penalties or dropped balls and just sort of self inflicted, but this one seemed a little, a little more clean. And

Jason:

everybody caught

Pershin:

the ball. Pretty, pretty good, pretty good showing. Just

Jason:

balls were being caught. So yeah, not much to say about those games. It was a fun Thanksgiving lineup. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The one thing I do hate about Thursday night games is that I don't get to enjoy the games on Sunday as much because my team's not playing. So

Pershin:

yeah,

Jason:

we got another Thursday night game playing again

Pershin:

on Thursday. Yeah.

Jason:

Playing the Lions.

Pershin:

Oh, yeah, tough one.

Jason:

So moving to what I think is a more controversial game the Chiefs versus the Raiders I did not watch most of this game, but I think that's the end. How did the Chiefs keep barely winning? What I don't understand, maybe you can help me out with this, what I don't understand is so the refs are saying that because the clock was running It's an illegal shift, but it had the clock been stopped. It's a false start either way. Yeah. Both of those are pre snap penalties, which therefore the play that happens afterwards is, is not as void. So how does the fumble. Stay a fumble. They were very,

Pershin:

they were very clear right on the commentary of the game itself, that the officiating crew contradicted itself and did not make sense. Like it did not make sense the way that they called it. Like what they said, literally by their own words, didn't add up. It wasn't coherent. So I don't know how they messed that up. I remember there was a game. I think it was with the lions last year where they, they had a similar situation where The first, the first explanation they gave and then the second explanation they gave was like, wait, you can't, you can't possibly make the second ruling based off of what you just said about the first ruling, but they did anyway. So it was, it, you know, and they, they, the NFL had said after that game, like, Oh yeah, our guys made a mistake, oopsie, you know, and that was the end of that. And then this time I don't think that anyone from the NFL actually came out to make a statement about it, but it was obvious that

Jason:

so by here's my problem by rule by rule in the legal shift is a loss of five yards from the previous spot in a down is replayed. Now, are they trying to say there was a because it's a penalty on the offense and did the office not have a timeout? Is, are they trying to say it was a 10 second runoff and that's how the game ended?

Pershin:

well Yeah, I think they were trying to say that there was supposed to be a 10 second runoff And that's how the game ended, but it did not actually make sense. It didn't actually make sense and I wish I could remember the specifics of it now, but I was very upset because I was like long

Jason:

ago because it was on a Friday. Like what a weird day to have. I just like,

Pershin:

also like I have old man brain these days and I just can't remember things very well, but at the time I understood what the commentators were saying that it didn't actually add up and it's, it's really unfortunate to have a game end. Like that, when you have a team in a position to potentially When the game and the refs are not making any sense. You're just like, okay, so what actually happened then the refs apparently don't know. It's just like,

Jason:

it's just the rest of the game. I mean, it's one of those games where the, you know, the chiefs just keep on chief. And Travis Kelsey is looking pretty old this season though.

Pershin:

Oh yeah.

Jason:

He's looking slow. He's kind of looking chubby. Like it did, like you, he went with T Swift and he's just not been working out as much.

Pershin:

Oh yeah, yeah. She, she must be committed because he's off the market, clearly.

Jason:

Oh yeah, bro. That chummy, that belly was getting, I'm like bro, you sticking out there a little bit, man. You pregnant? I honestly think that he, this is his last season. I, I think he's going to retire. I think I mean, if it were me, and I was dating Taylor Swift,

Pershin:

Yeah, I think he's already got so many opportunities and offers for other things that he thinks would be cool You know, it's like

Jason:

oh, yeah for sure. Just like his brother is all over the fucking place

Pershin:

Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, he's probably looking at his brother right now being like, damn, he's happy.

Jason:

I'd rather be doing that right now. Not that he's unhappy,

Pershin:

but you know what I mean? I think he understands there's not many, many seasons left anyways. Right. But yeah, I, I agree with you. He's still pretty good about finding the sweet spot in the zone defenses and No, he

Jason:

definitely serves his purpose. Getting, getting

Pershin:

open via just understanding defenses so well, but he basically gets no yards after the catch anymore. No, he gets tackled immediately. Even if he's in a ton of space, they just run up and go tackle him. Like, it's just like They make him look

Jason:

so slow because they tackle him so fast. Yeah, yeah, she cracks me up every time I watch it man every time I watch it.

Pershin:

Yeah

Jason:

So one thing with while we're still in the Chiefs Mahomes talk, you know Mahomes the whole faking out of bounds. I forgot Tom Brady, you know said that the defenders don't get enough help from the refs and that sometimes the quarterbacks get too many calls and I just I Couldn't help but laugh coming from the guy who benefited The most

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

From getting all the calls. From deferential calls,

Pershin:

yeah.

Jason:

Those refs

Pershin:

used to be like, Oh, you can't tackle Tom Brady. What are

Jason:

you doing? Yeah, you touched him with a feather.

Pershin:

Yeah, yeah.

Jason:

You cannot tackle him.

Pershin:

I literally think Goodell was calling up these refs and being like, Yo, Tom Brady is the face of the league. Protect his ass. Like, yeah.

Jason:

It would not surprise me. What do you think of Noah Gray, man? He's been getting a lot of play lately, man. He's been getting some action.

Pershin:

I think that he looks better. I think that he looks not just like he's getting more usage. I don't, I don't just mean production, but actually on the field, like the plays he's making, he looks more spry than what I remember from previous seasons. It could be that next year he's like the heir apparent. I you know, Maybe they draft a guy, maybe they trade for a guy, but I think he's done enough to where maybe they roll with him too, which would be pretty interesting from fantasy perspective there. I, I think he's solid. I, he's not elite, but he's also not garbage.

Jason:

Absolutely. And then the last game that we'll talk about in depth, running out of time here was the Monday night game. Which was a fucking barn burner. Holy shit. Broncos versus the Browns. I mean, we went on a Jameis Winston rollercoaster ride. Two of the best defenses

Pershin:

my

Jason:

ass. Holy shit.

Pershin:

I

Jason:

mean, I just pray, I just pray that the Lord can help me with these pick sixes. Because that's not me. That's all I'm saying. Deliver.

Pershin:

Deliver me from these pick sixes because that's not really me. I think that is the most fraudulent thing I've ever heard. If anything ever defined James wins, Dick would be pick sixes, throwing pick sixes. Yeah. He is like, and he says, he says it in this really weird, he says, deliver me like what? Like he's in some ancient, like, time. Like I'm not here. He's speaking in tongues. I'm not doing the pick sixes. I'm a conduit for the pick sixes. And I need you to remove me from the pick sixes. Dude, he is a

Jason:

national, I watched a video where he was like, I don't, I don't know when it was filmed, but he was like going back through his old house. And he's just like showing everybody. He's like, all right, this is where, this barbecue grill has been here my whole life. But you see. Now that I'm in the NFL, this is the barbecue and it's just the same grill, but like new, just shiny. But it's the exact same grill.

Pershin:

Now that NFL, I have a 2024 one.

Jason:

And all it is, is it's like a, it's like a oil barrel, like one of those burning barrels on its side.

Pershin:

What?

Jason:

Yeah, it's like, yeah, you know, like some of those grills are made, you know, you just turn it on its side and you put a couple of rebar in it. You weld it and you're good. But I guess, I don't know if they sell it like that or or they just made themselves a new one. I don't know. I like

Pershin:

how he says, now that I'm in the NFL. And then it's not, or something along those. And then it's not that fancy, right?

Jason:

right. It's the same exact grill. Just me, And then he's like over here, this is where, this is the pea spot. This, this is where me and my brothers, we used to pee just during cookouts or whatever. We used to pee right over here, But then over here is where you would get water. So we would just drink it right out the faucet. But you gotta watch out'cause the pea spot's over there. So he's like, he's like, bro, what the fuck are you talking? Like, what are you talking about? This man, I just can't, I can't get enough. Why did we not know that he spoke like this sooner?

Pershin:

I feel like he didn't used to be as crazy as he is now. I wonder if he doesn't already have CTE or something because I like he used to do crazy things and he was always a little bit of a character But I feel like he's really cranked it up past couple seasons, man Every every interview is just like what the

Jason:

fuck did you just say? Like but hey, this has got to be promising for Bo Nix and company man. He was throwing fucking dimes Like dude that one shot where He, he escaped the pocket and then, I mean, he threw a, just a fucking bullet 30 or 40 yards down the field straight to who scored the touchdown? The guy scored the touchdown on Marvin Mills, right? That was, it was like

Pershin:

so well placed too. I was actually shocked at how perfect it looked. It was like an over the shoulder, like back shoulder. And it, it like went right over like perfect, right in the bread basket, like. That was a real, that's probably the best pass he's had all season actually. Oh,

Jason:

a hundred percent.

Pershin:

He also had some really, really egregious passes too though. It's funny because over the past month or so, he's been really conservative and he's done a good job of avoiding any interceptions, which is great. This

Jason:

game, y'all just

Pershin:

said fuck it. What was funny is this, like, now that he's going up against Jameis, he's like, Oh, you can just do that? Oh, you can just throw picks? He's like, I'm going YOLO too then, fuck it, I can do I didn't

Jason:

know you could just throw interceptions like that.

Pershin:

And so, like, you had both of them against pretty good defenses. You had both of them just going for the gusto every other play. I was like, holy shit.

Jason:

Because Jameis threw that, threw that bomb, like

Pershin:

It was nuts, man. They were like, Oh, you can do that. I can do that too. It really was a shootout, like a classic fucking like shoot and was not what I was expecting. I thought that we would win, you know, 21, 17. Bro,

Jason:

Jameis had 497 yards. Oh yeah. It was nuts. It was nuts. And Bo Nix had 294, man. There was seven, there was 800 yards of passing.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

I mean, I'll be honest with you,

Pershin:

man, they

Jason:

were kicking our asses, if

Pershin:

it wasn't for those pick sixes, we would have just lost the game, bro, they, they, I could not believe how poorly our pass defense was doing, and, and, like, just to give credit where credit's due, like, Jameis throws us. The bad interceptions, obviously that's always been a part of his game, but in this particular game, he also just had some really good passes. Like some of those passes that he threw to like David and Joku and Elijah. Oh yeah. Joku was on fire. Some of these were well defended and he just threw it in there anyway. And he put it like right where only his guy could get it very tough passes to throw like, you know, and yet he, he was very accurate for most of the night. Luckily he did, he did give us Those three interceptions. But you know, it was just wild. It was Jerry, Judy revenge on full display. Never played anywhere near that hard when he was a Bronco. In fact, he never played near that hard, any game of his life, I think. And he, he was so fucking tough in this game. Like he was, he was really playing physical in a way that he usually doesn't. And I was like, all right, well. I mean, kudos to Jerry Judy for, you know, being like, Hey, look, look what I could do. I could, I could fucking stick it to you or whatever. And in fact, this is the most yardage we've ever given up to a wide receiver in Broncos history. And it's our own, the guy that we drafted. So kudos to Jerry Judy for coming out, but it's also like, bro, what does it take a revenge thing to get you to like be motivated or something? Why, why can't he play like this more often? You know what I mean? Like Jesus but anyway, it was just, I feel like it was the best game that I've seen this whole season. I loved it. It was just every other play I was going Is he coming down with the ball is the defense coming down with the ball? I mean they were they were flinging it all over the yard Good times lots of good plays being made on both sides of the ball. Good good shit. Good shit

Jason:

Yeah, it was a pretty wild weekend. I mean a lot of close games like buccaneers panthers chargers falcons Stealers bangles with a shootout. Shout out to Mike Tomlin getting that ninth win, securing, securing.

Pershin:

I was shocked. I was like, you know what? If the Steelers actually run up against a team that puts up 30 points on them, they're not going to be able to keep up. I was wrong. They'll beat you 7 3, and they'll beat you apparently 44 38 too. I was like, man.

Jason:

Another 700 yard passing game. I'm just

Pershin:

done doubting Tomlin, man. I'm done, like, my man, it's not that I

Jason:

can't even believe you were already doubting him.

Pershin:

Well, you know, it's not that it's not that I didn't think he was a good coach. It's just that I thought that he also had like a lot of good luck on his side. I just don't think it's luck anymore. I think the guy, it just always finds a way. Yeah. He just no losing season. He just always Fucking finds a way to win even in situations like this, where it's like, how are you going to put up enough points to, to keep up with the bangles? God bless the bangles, man. They have the most points in the league. They actually have more points than the lions or the Ravens, but they've also given up the most points in the league. It's like, Oh man, how like

Jason:

my fantasy team,

Pershin:

how frustrating must that be? If you're on the offense and you're balling out, if you're Jamar Chase, if you're Joe Burrow and you're just doing everything you can and you're executing so well week in and week out and you, you're, they're like three and nine, like Jesus, bro.

Jason:

Four and eight, four and eight.

Pershin:

Okay, all right. But

Jason:

close, close, close. But

Pershin:

still, it's like,

Jason:

oh

Pershin:

man. Yeah,

Jason:

they're bad. And they're bad at home. And that's what's really bad. They're one and five at home. I mean, they're bad everywhere, but still.

Pershin:

The only place they play well is Burrowhead.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Vikings, Escape the Cardinals, 2322. Colts beat the Patriots 25 24, like a lot of one score games, Seahawks Jets, that was wild, fuck you Aaron

Pershin:

Rodgers.

Jason:

The Colts

Pershin:

game and the Jets Seahawks game was really, really good at the end of the game. Yep. Where it's like Anthony Richardson. After basically shooting himself in the foot for an entire game, puts together a really good drive, scores the touchdown, and then Shane Steichen goes for the two point win. He's like, nah, we're not going to overtime. We're winning right now. Anthony Richardson runs it in on a, basically like a QB draw play. And Hey, that was that was just a really good game and then the Seahawks came all the way back I think they were down 21 to nothing. That's at one point

Jason:

They were down 21 and at least 21 to nothing in the first half But at one point it was 16 to 21 in the halftime so They came back in the second quarter. Yeah,

Pershin:

just the Same thing that we've been seeing all season from the jets Taking their turns on being the one to ruin the game.

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah. They suck. I can't. I think Rogers literally looks worse week after week. Like, yeah. Cause he's too busy filming that fucking documentary on Netflix. It's coming out.

Pershin:

I think that

Jason:

Aaron Jones, I can't help. I think that

Pershin:

Aaron Rogers just loves the fact that so many people are going to watch a documentary about him. I will watch the games and I will clown him on the field.

Jason:

I just want to see what kind of bullshit he's gonna say.

Pershin:

Yeah, it probably will be interesting, but I just don't want to give him any more of my attention.

Jason:

Yeah, but so many people already are, that I might as well at least give

Pershin:

No, you're right. You're right. It's like the Trump thing. We're like me

Jason:

boycotting. It's not.

Pershin:

Yeah. It's like, you're not going to be able to ignore Trump. Like he's, you know?

Jason:

Yeah. Well that's, that's all we got, man. Anything else you care to mention for this week, man? It was a action packed week. A lot of Close games

Pershin:

poor went out for CMC, the guy finally gets back to a hundred percent. I mean, he looked real good in this game, and then as soon as he's back to full strength

Jason:

PCL

Pershin:

it was rough. Dude. I don't know if you saw Well, and not to mention

Jason:

I saw, I saw it, yeah. Yeah, dude, you, it was bad looking. It

Pershin:

literally looks like his calf, like. Explodes inside of his leg or something. It's it.

Jason:

And, and then not to mention, so they put him and Jordan Mason on IR. Yeah. So now it's going

Pershin:

to be Garendo. I saw that they

Jason:

picked up, they picked up some money. Yeah. They

Pershin:

picked up a Izzy Abanacanda from the jets practice spot, I think. And it'll be interesting to see what they could do with him. Cause Izzy Abanacanda is basically. Really similar to Grendo where he wasn't that productive as a college player, but he did have crazy athletic measurements at the combine. So, you know, freak athlete, has he been able to develop into an actual NFL running back? I guess we'll see.

Jason:

We shall see. So that's all we got. So we'll see you on the next episode. Catch you next time as always you can hit us up pineponypodcast22 at gmail. com Or on threads and Instagram at pineponypodcast

Pershin:

Adios, see ya. Love you populous

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