College is over and the NFL is winding down........Let's talk about it

Welcome back to the Pine Pony Podcast! We discuss a surprising snowstorm that hit Charleston. We then dive into the college football playoff, celebrating its first 12-team format, and give our thoughts on the Ohio State vs. Notre Dame final. Transitioning to the NFL, we cover the recent playoff games, including the Chiefs vs. Bills and Eagles vs. Commanders, and speculate on the Chiefs' potential three-peat. We also talk tech in football with chips in balls for more accurate calls and explore some fun facts about hard throws in NFL history.!

Chapters

• 0:09 Winter Woes and Neighborhood Troubles
• 2:43 College Football Playoff Recap
• 10:19 Controversial NFL Scripts
• 17:56 Tech in Football: Chips in the Balls
• 35:08 The Elusive NFL Three-Peat
• 37:17 Hardest Throws in NFL History
• 42:20 Baseball Hall of Fame

Transcript

Jason: 0:00

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony podcast.

Pershin: 0:04

Woo. Hey, what's happening

Jason: 0:06

Persian?

Pershin: 0:07

Howdy, howdy. Glad to be back. Yes, had a whole bunch of stuff going on last week in the, in the Pine Pony fam. So we, boy, we had to take another unexpected week off, but happy to be back talking. You know how

Jason: 0:22

to, you know how the winner is man, the winner. When it changes from hot to cold, that's when the sickness comes.

Pershin: 0:29

Man, this is

Jason: 0:30

not Boy, them kids got me sick.

Pershin: 0:32

I can tell you this, I can tell you one thing. This is not what you sign up for when you live in Charleston. Like, when you're living in South Carolina, you don't expect the winter that we got this past week.

Jason: 0:46

Listen.

Pershin: 0:47

I'm very happy to say That that is not the norm because that shit was annoying

Jason: 0:52

What'd they get in goose creek six seven inches?

Pershin: 0:56

I don't actually know what the interest is, but I tell you it was four days straight of snow

Jason: 1:02

brutal

Pershin: 1:02

it was four days straight of snow actually on Everyone's yard and ice in the streets like

Jason: 1:11

yeah Yeah, it was I was sick the whole time so I didn't get to actually enjoy The snow with my kids, but I did get to see it and look for a golf cart out in it. So that was real fun. That was real, real fun. Thank you neighborhood kids for stealing my golf cart. Great, great job. That's a

Pershin: 1:27

fucking kid. It was awesome. They need a spanking. Someone needs

Jason: 1:31

to spank those cheeks! Somebody needs to get the paddles back out, because these kids is running amok. Dude, real quick. The day before my golf cart got stolen, A kid wrecked his family's UTV vehicle, which is a little bit more of a souped up golf cart for like, you know, hunting and those kind of, farm work and that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. He, he flipped it. He flipped it going around the turn. Girl got broken arm and concussed. All kinds of shit. And this kid

Pershin: 2:06

was not involved in the stealing of yours though. No, no, no, no.

Jason: 2:11

He was probably still in the hospital.

Pershin: 2:15

He was probably stealing that hospital. Yeah, yeah

Jason: 2:20

These kids is nothing but a bunch of badasses around here. Yeah,

Pershin: 2:24

they're bad as hell i've always been Weary of teenagers man teenagers are

Jason: 2:28

fucking

Pershin: 2:29

bonkers.

Jason: 2:29

They're crazy. They forget we were one. They're great. We were a teenager once before

Pershin: 2:33

For so

Jason: 2:33

we

Pershin: 2:34

know how it goes. Yeah. Luckily I wasn't born a teenager anymore. Cause that teenagers are crazy. I was crazy. I was crazy. I'd hate to be

Jason: 2:43

looped in anyway, anyway, speaking of those things, let's move on to some real fun talk this on this episode of the pod. We're going to talk about, cause it's been a while. We're going to talk about the college football playoff blowout final. We're going to talk about. Some of this NFL playoff games that we missed the the championship weekend and then you know I got some more fun little nuggets to throw at you. We'll discuss that and you know Some of the fun stuff we've seen over this past playoffs. So with that being said, let's get into it. Let's start the show

3:21

The Pied Pony Podcast.

Jason: 3:27

Yeah, man. So the college football playoff is finally came gone. The first 12 team playoff format overall, I think it did exactly what we wanted it to do for once. I don't, I'm not upset with the outcome. As much as I'm not a Ohio State fan or a Notre Dame fan, getting a conference, you bums. I, you know, I'm, I can't, yeah, how could you be upset with that outcome being that they went through the gauntlet, they beat all of the top ten, I think they beat nine teams out of the top ten over the course of the year. Wow, yeah. In the final standings or something like that, something wild to, you know. That's a pretty big number there, yeah. Ryan Day finally getting the monkey off of his back. Getting that trophy. He paid 20 million dollars for it. But he finally got it. He finally got it, so. We'll see with the transfer portal and all of that. You know, we've already got some guys leaving Ohio State. What's crazy is, a guy from, I can't remember his name. But he won the national title last year with Michigan and then transferred to Ohio state and won it again this year. Back to back national champions, different teams.

Pershin: 4:43

He is the special ingredient.

Jason: 4:45

Yeah. Whoever this can remember his name. But hopefully he'll transfer over to the NFL. What did you, the last game was kind of whack. I mean, Ohio state ended up whooping that out.

Pershin: 4:58

I mean, it just looked to me like they were just like clearly. Yeah, like they It made me think that maybe the previous opponent was, who was that? Penn State?

Jason: 5:12

For Notre Dame? Ohio

Pershin: 5:14

State. The team that they beat. Texas. Yeah, I was thinking maybe Texas is actually the second best team in the nation because it ain't, it ain't Notre Dame, you know what I mean? Right. So, yeah, I just, I just, I just feel like it worked. I think that we, we saw decisive play, even if you want to say the totality of their season was not as impressive as other teams regular season. The fact that they clearly were the best team in the playoff at the end of the season, I think it's pretty satisfying as far as like, hey, look, you could We could really put our finger on a national champ here and gone are, I think gone will be the days where you have people bickering about, Oh, asterisks or Oh, co champs or whatever. Yeah.

Jason: 6:07

You know, that's, that's a good point because no one really bickers when the NFL champ or the MLB champ or the NBA champ is crowned because you're like. I don't even care who you played at this point. You've already played X amount of games. You've played the best teams in the playoffs for the most part.

Pershin: 6:25

It's better because like you're always going to have things to figure about and like, there'll be, there'll be talk about. Some of the ref calls and in the most recent games or whatever. But the good news is those are the things that you're bickering about. You're not bickering about the more important. And

Jason: 6:44

the better news is it doesn't change when you get to the pros. They still suck. The referees still suck. Right. So, consistency. Yes. They're bad in every sport. Yes. Yes.

Pershin: 6:59

College will train you for that.

Jason: 7:02

That's right. That's right. In other college news, I don't know if we went over this in the past, but Clemson has, I think it's third or fourth transfer portal. They've got a defensive coordinator. They stole the Penn State, get this, they stole the defensive coordinator from Penn State. Then Penn State turned around and stole the defensive coordinator from Ohio State. So we're just, we're just passing them around, baby.

Pershin: 7:26

That, that's wild. I think it's been good news. It sounds like from what little coverage I have actually seen of Clemson's offseason thus far, it sounds like they have taken a very different tone as far as like, Their approach to the portal and their approach to I mean, just talent and per personnel, they dipping their

Jason: 7:48

toe in.

Pershin: 7:49

Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's great. Obviously it's been a source subject for fans and different, different ideas on what, whether it's okay or it's not okay, whatever. But I feel like it, it, it certainly can't hurt to give it a whirl and to bring in some other talent and see how it goes. And, you know.

Jason: 8:10

Some bringing some depth and things of that nature.

Pershin: 8:12

Yeah, I just don't, I just don't see the downside. So I, I think this is a good, good process here.

Jason: 8:20

And then one last little nugget on the college football season before we wrap this thing up and with a bow. I think they waited too long to like January 20th is way too far into January for that game to be played. Number one, again with this Monday shit. Play the game on Saturday. Play the

Pershin: 8:45

final game on Saturday. Has anyone come out and actually said, like, publicly, like, what is the reasoning for the Monday games? Because I just don't get it. It feels inconvenient, you know?

Jason: 8:57

I've, I've, I've, I don't know. It's something that they've never, they've always done it on Monday. I don't know. Saturday is college football day.

Pershin: 9:06

I know you think that Saturday would be built in because they're all they already do so much Saturday shit It's like we'll see

Jason: 9:15

like like when what they do is like because the NFL commands Saturdays late in the season, right? And so I think they chose Monday because they're not trying to compete with a Saturday primetime slot of an NFL game but I'm like if you're going this late surely you can work something with the NFL and be like I don't know like take up an eight o'clock. I mean also who gives a shit time nine times out of ten that eight o'clock Like the a week 18 game or whatever game that would have normally been I don't know That's the schedule all messed up now because it's like It just we're in the middle of playoffs It's like there's

Pershin: 9:55

this unspoken rule that no one could ever butt heads with the nfl. But the thing is that like Doesn't the NFL quite naturally have a good working relationship with the NCAA, especially when it comes to their football? So it's like, could you not just work something out?

Jason: 10:11

That's what I'm saying, man. That's what I'm saying. A bunch of bums. Just seems NFL's greedy, man. I agree. I guess.

Pershin: 10:17

I don't

Jason: 10:18

know. But nonetheless, the game was on Inauguration Day, on Martin Luther King Day, like There was a lot going on on the 20th, needless to say So moving on to the NFL. I had a thought and and other people had this thought but which just confirmed my thought So with that being said, here's the thought.

Pershin: 10:42

Okay.

Jason: 10:42

I Think the NFL is WWE. I think they Have to have a villain. They have to have a heel And that heel right now is the Chiefs. That is not a real thought. And so they will do whatever they need to do in order to keep, so like the bloodline in the current WWE landscape, the bloodline or four years ago, Roman Reigns was just always cheating, always cheating to win. He cheated in your face. He didn't care and that's exactly that's exactly what the Chiefs are doing No, I don't really think they're cheating. I don't think the Chiefs are cheating I want to make that clear But I do think there is some relevance in the storyline of like the and obviously the NFL loves storylines That's what drives the games and all that, right? That's what you know compassion and all this but I do think the NFL also likes to have an overarching like Hey, man, if the Chiefs are gonna win like this, we're gonna prop them up and we're gonna make them hate the Chiefs. We're gonna make everyone hate the Chiefs. So that way when that one team, and this team could be the Eagles this season, when that one team, that, that knight in shining armor, that Cody Rhodes comes to finish his story, it's like, oh, that was Pure, like dopamine hit and everybody's like, I want more.

Pershin: 12:10

I want more. I, so, I don't know exactly. I, I've kind of heard about this story. I'm not a big wrestling guy. But wasn't it that like, so Cody Rhodes was supposed to have a big match with someone and then the Rock said, no, it's gonna be me instead. And so that, I mean, that, that storyline kind of already played itself out, but

Jason: 12:29

essentially what happened was. He was trying to finish a story, which would get the belt that his dad never was able to get his dad dust, dusty roads, the great dusty roads from the eighties. He never held the WW, the world championship belt from WWF or whatever. So he's finishing the story. And then the rock got involved and became the final boss. And there was a whole big, fun storyline that happened with that. And then at WrestleMania, they had a tag team match to decide the next night, whether it was going to be what was it? Tribal combat rules. So anything goes, which. Roman reigns in Iraq one, and then it became tribal combat. So then the next night of WrestleMania, it was supposed to be one on one, but so many people got involved. It was awesome. Anyway, Cody Rhodes ended up finishing the story, winning the belt, and that is what could happen on Super Bowl Sunday.

Pershin: 13:29

So then the Cody Rhodes in this instance is supposed to be the Eagles. The Eagles. Jalen Hurts or Saquon Barkley? Just, just the Eagles,

Jason: 13:39

you know, like if the Eagles was one person, just like if, if the Chiefs were one person.

Pershin: 13:44

Well, they do have the kind of like, we let, we let Reed go because we no longer believed in him. And then, Reed

Jason: 13:56

But he's already beat them once, so that's kind of like Oh, that's

Pershin: 13:59

right. They met in the Super Bowl just a few years ago.

Jason: 14:01

The storyline you wanna The great thing about Andy Reed is that he is the most winningest coach on both teams in the Super Bowl. Oh, he's

Pershin: 14:11

still the eagles most winning.

Jason: 14:13

He's still the eagles most winning his coach. So he

Pershin: 14:16

that's funny

Jason: 14:19

So

Pershin: 14:19

he's gonna say I own you if they if they win they can say I own

Jason: 14:23

right sure Sure. Sure.

Pershin: 14:25

All right. Well anyway, so the the wrestling education was kind of fun, but I will say that I am highly skeptical of this. Here's what I would like to hear from you. If you think that there's some validity to this and you, you said something along the lines, you think there's something to this, how, what's the mechanism that they're going to use to prop up the chiefs if they are indeed propping up the chiefs?

Jason: 14:49

I mean, just like those commercials, like put Andy Reed everywhere, put Kelsey everywhere, show Taylor Swift all the time. Like. Like, do shit to just like law. So you're just talking about the,

Pershin: 14:58

the marketing and image aspect, right? You're not talking about actually helping them

Jason: 15:03

win. I don't look as much as, as much as I want to be, like, like how, that would be crazy if there was some, so some level of cheating to be found. But at the end of the day. I think there's just too many people involved, too many entities, too many greedy people involved. Yeah. That want their slice of the pie. And that it's

Pershin: 15:26

That's how, that's how I feel too. It is impossible. I, I, I But Yeah.

Jason: 15:30

I'm not saying that they aren't doing things to, you know, drive that, that storyline. I, I'm not saying like they could just, Oh, Oh, everyone says the chiefs are cheating. Okay. Well, let's not say anything. Right, let's just let them, let's let them, yeah. And then, like, if there's, let's make sure we put them on prime time so that if there is a controversial call, everyone sees it.

Pershin: 15:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I can, I can totally buy this sort of, we want to try to paint the Chiefs in a certain light because eventually they're just going to be seen as, The team that the rest of the fan bases will tune into because they're kind of hate watching at some point, you know

Jason: 16:21

Right,

Pershin: 16:21

and so I could see them totally playing into that you know, I I think that makes sense actually because I Think it did work to a certain extent with the Patriots where you would find people interested in the Patriots Not because they were Patriots fans, but because they were hoping that they'd finally flop You know

Jason: 16:40

like who wouldn't to watch a Patriots Giants Super Bowl?

Pershin: 16:44

Well, there was people who were just hoping that they'd finally see him

Jason: 16:48

fall off of the pedestal. Right, exactly, but nobody wanted that Super Bowl. Like, I saw a quote that said, If you think the NFL is rigging the system, consider this, Kansas City's market size is like the, is like the lower tier of, it's a small market. Like if they're going to prop up a team and cheat and cheat for a team to win, you want the massive market. You want a New York market. You want a California market. You want money.

Pershin: 17:18

Giants would not be so bad. If that was

Jason: 17:21

right, right. And especially considering who the jets have on their roster,

Pershin: 17:25

he would either be the teams that are literally in those biggest cities, the, the Rams, the Raiders, whatever. Wait, no, they're in Vegas now. Well, the Raiders are in Vegas

Jason: 17:36

now.

Pershin: 17:37

Or it would be the teams that have the sort of more broader appeals. The Cowboys, you know, the Steelers, these sort of teams.

Jason: 17:47

Yeah, these hallmark teams that used to be showed on TV every day when we didn't know what Sunday Ticket was. True. Yeah. Yeah. So and then the other controversial thing has to do with the last game this past weekend, but it's more about I chips in the balls. So previously we've discussed using tech only now that I've kind of seen it. I don't think that we can specifically rely on tech and tech only because. How do you determine you, I don't know how fancy the tech could be, but you know, you've also just got that element of like, how much time would that take to spot every single ball like perfect, like, Oh, this has to be here at this, you know? So what I'm saying is, is like, I think the line judge still does his job. The chain gang still do their job, but the technology comes in like a sky judge. Hey, you mark that ball a yard short. You need to move it up a yard. Okay, cool. Otherwise, Oh, you marked it an inch short and it's, it's first down. Anyway, it's like you, we're not going to get, be involved in an inch and this and that, but like in controversial moments where you can't see the ball because of all the players, you don't know where the ball is. You can say, okay, at this point, this player was down. This is where the ball was at that time. If it moved past that, it doesn't matter. Right. And they can easily say. Place the ball at this marker. I don't care what anybody else says.

Pershin: 19:24

Yeah, I, I, I think that it probably would work quite well if it's not already there. I'm not sure if there's still some sort of like lacking in the technology in some ways

Jason: 19:37

to

Pershin: 19:38

make it convenient enough, but I got to think that eventually it's going to be not just the more accurate and precise, but it's also going to be more convenient because you're going to be able to say like, okay, how far did the chip go before the whistle blew at any point before the whistle blew? How far did that chip go? We will know precisely. We'll, we'll be able to, to, like you say, I in the sky. In the moments where it actually matters in the game. And we'll also be able to say, we don't need to involve it at all. It's clearly enough for a first down. They've already been awarded the first down. We're not going to slow the game down any more than absolutely necessary. And so it, it would just be great. I think to have it as an option. At like, as you suggested, this sort of eye in the sky or in New York, checks and

Jason: 20:30

balances, if you will. Yeah.

Pershin: 20:32

Just when it's actually going to make a meaningful difference, you could throw it in there. And theoretically it would be both precise and convenient. So I, I think eventually it's going to force its way into the game and I think it's going to be a good thing. I

Jason: 20:51

agree. I agree. It sucks that it has to come at. What Bill's fan would consider such a controversial way Yeah, I, I, I didn't actually, would not consider that controversial. Actually

Pershin: 21:03

didn't think that call was that bad, just because you could see, I didn't think he got it. You could, you could see how it would be so hard for Yeah. The judges, particularly from their viewpoints on the field. But then even when you look at. What videos were available? There wasn't really a good angle to see actually. You know, the, to me it seemed like he probably got it, but I'm saying probably I'm not even that Sure. You know what I mean? So it's like,

Jason: 21:35

to me it looked like his, his, he was facing the back in his head, like he was pushing with his back towards the front. And I'm like, if that's the case, then the ball's behind you. You're not even close. Yeah. And, and, and then also, why are you relying on a one yard play? Like five times you did the same fucking play in Tony Romo calls it out in the game, he goes. The Chiefs know that on when you do your version of a QB sneak, you like to pull out and run to the left of the pile.

Pershin: 22:08

It's gonna be off, off tackle to the left.

Jason: 22:10

Yep. Three, three defensive players lined up to the left of the pile. What did Josh Allen do? He pulls the ball back out. He runs to the left of the pile and stopped immediately. And I'm just like And then you did the same play again. I was

Pershin: 22:24

actually shocked watching it because not only did it appear on the field that the Chiefs knew exactly what was coming, but Romo knew exactly what's coming. So I'm like, wait, the Chiefs know exactly what's coming. Romo knows exactly what's coming. There's no way they're going to actually do this play. Right. And they do the play. And I'm just like, wow, that just, that just seems like bad coaching. Right. Like.

Jason: 22:47

There's your conspiracy theory right there. Oh, they gave

Pershin: 22:50

them the game. They gave them the game. Oh man. Yeah. I I actually didn't think this game was officiated that poorly. Like I'm always bitching about the refs, you know, me, man, I find a lot to get upset with. I mean, the, the things that seem like bad calls, like kind of missing a guy on encroachment. A couple of times, like that sort of stuff is like, you know, I, I didn't think that there was big, huge, I think that the, the big issues for the bills in this game was that they didn't come with their a game, like they, they, they have been playing well recently, but this one, it just seemed like they, you know, the fumbles, there was, they came out looking. Josh, Josh Allen at the beginning of the game through like three different balls that should have been intercepted. I think only one of them actually was.

Jason: 23:43

Yeah. Yeah. And two out of three were dropped.

Pershin: 23:45

And it's like, bro, like you can't expect to come up against a well oiled machine. Like. Like the chiefs they've been through this a zillion times and come out on top like, you know That you're going to have to like actually play your a game and the fact that they were still so close in the game despite so many things sort of stacking up against them You know, was kind of let you know that this game was absolutely winnable for them and it honestly to me felt more like they just didn't, they just didn't go out and grab it the way that they should have rather than the chiefs just so severely outmatching them, you know?

Jason: 24:35

Well, I mean, I thought they were outcoached and I think. They need, they have some off season questions that they need to answer.

Pershin: 24:42

Yeah.

Jason: 24:43

Whether or not Sean McDermott's gonna come back because this, this ain't working anymore. You've tried it every which way. You are just like the Bills in the Super Bowl. Just like they are against the Mahomes. 0 and 4. 0 and 4, you bunch of bums. So yeah, I mean, is there anything else you wanted to add on to that game specifically?

Pershin: 25:07

No, not really. I just, other than just to say like, it was a really good game. I thought that it was just actually fun to watch as a spectator sport. Just, it was, it was good. And it, it was honestly up in the air, right down to the end. And Dawson Knox should have come down with that ball and they would have still had a chance, but they, I mean, that was kind of like the whole game for the bills. Was it just, it was. Like you said, it felt like the coaching wasn't good enough and the execution wasn't there. They just did not come with their best stuff and

Jason: 25:44

Or, or did Travis, Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift have a meeting with Mark Andrews and Dawson Knox and said, hey yo, tight end guys. This is probably going to be my last one. Like, let me go ahead and get in there. Like y'all drop the balls. Okay. They

Pershin: 26:00

probably said to him, Hey, look, we happen to be very well connected people. Okay. At some point, you're not going to be able to play football anymore. Do you guys want careers after this or not? You know,

Jason: 26:11

right, right. Give it up one for the title. We can

Pershin: 26:15

keep you guys famous.

Jason: 26:18

Yeah. And then, so their opponent is going to be the Eagles. Versus the commanders and that was an awful that game was fun for a fur for a half and then Fuckin Eagles just put their nuts on them. Man, this was a classic

Pershin: 26:35

case of like

Jason: 26:37

Good God.

Pershin: 26:38

This was a classic case of like, one team is not even like I kept coming back and the score kept getting higher and higher. It's like, one team is not even sucking, right? Like, whereas the Bills, I felt like, had a chance and they just didn't show up. It, I felt like the commanders actually were playing pretty disciplined football, play, executing to the best of their abilities. They just did not have. The quality of players that the Eagles have, the Eagles are just, it's, it's probably the most stacked team in the NFL. And it's easy to say that now because, Oh, look, they've made it. But like the rookies that they got to feel the horrible gaps of last season, like the second half of the season have really come on. Like Quinion, Mitchell Cooper Dejean, like those guys are playing really well right now. And. It's just ridiculous how complete that team is. It's like, okay. So Jalen Carter is kicking ass and taking names on the defensive line and the defensive like line is really good. The offensive line. Probably the best in the entire league. It's like, where is their weakness? It's hard to find any weaknesses on his team. And it's just like, the commanders don't have that level of talent, even though I think that they've got a bright future, obviously, you know?

Jason: 28:06

Oh yeah, man. They got, they got plenty of cash. Got. I mean, sky's the limit, man. I think when you talk about

Pershin: 28:14

how impressive C. J. Stroud's rookie year was just the previous season, and a lot of people sort of thinking maybe this is the best rookie season we've ever seen. seen from a quarterback to hit the ground running. I think that as impressive as that was Jaden Daniels has impressed me even more. So just the way that he's so cool, nothing ever phases him. Like he's an old grizzled vet. I mean, yeah, Jordan love has

Jason: 28:42

that same kind of attitude.

Pershin: 28:43

That he's just so calm.

Jason: 28:45

It's

Pershin: 28:45

just so cool.

Jason: 28:45

He's just, like, nothing fazes him. He's just like that grizzled vet.

Pershin: 28:49

I love it. I love it. I mean, Jaden Daniels in these, like, post game, like, right? The game's just ended and they got sticking a microphone in his face and he's just, like, so not bothered. He's fine.

Jason: 29:01

Yeah, but they were bothered. Somebody was bothered. Didn't Dan Quinn make a comment about how he's like, man, do we have to do these, like, right as they're celebrating behind us?

Pershin: 29:10

Yeah,

Jason: 29:11

because they can hear the music and shit, man.

Pershin: 29:13

Yeah, well, Dan Quinn was probably more bothered than Jaden Daniels, I think.

Jason: 29:18

Yeah, Jaden Daniels was like, man, I got plenty more years than me. Dan Quinn's like, God damn it, man, I gotta start winning some of these. Oh, yeah, man. So, you know. Super Bowl, Pro Bowl coming up. No one cares about the Pro Bowl because One of them is on their fifth Russell Wilson has made it to the Pro Bowl because he's the fifth alternate. That's wild Damn, or something like that like they're like TJ Watt made a statement that said or JJ Watt made a statement that said when you're on your fifth alternate It's a participation bowl. That's a bro It's been a participation bowl for a long fuckin time, man, I don't know, I don't know, where are you? Where you thought you were actually competing in this,

Pershin: 30:04

in this pro bowl. Yeah, yeah, he's trying to be like, oh, back in my day.

Jason: 30:09

I mean, if they would put it back in Hawaii, maybe, but I'm not watching some shit in Orlando. Like, get out of here, man. Bunch of bums. Yeah, and then Playoff wise, any, any Any fun things that has jumped out at you as we take a look back at these 2024 NFL playoffs? Man, I can't believe the season has come and gone.

Pershin: 30:31

You know, it's an interesting question. I feel like probably I have some answers to this, but like, right now off the top of my head, not really, I think. I think it does underscore like the scores and the way that things have gone this postseason. I think it really underscores like you really got to have the horses, like the, the sort of talent, like Superstar players on your team, the amount of, and to what degree really does seem to be the difference between a winning team, like, let's say like the Broncos or the Steelers who, you know, got the job done against the bad teams in the league, but yet never felt like they actually had a real chance to compete in the playoffs, you know,

Jason: 31:24

and I think, and yeah, they're going to bring back Justin Fields and or Russell Wilson.

Pershin: 31:31

Yeah, I think they've

Jason: 31:32

said it. I think Tomlin said that he wanted

Pershin: 31:35

Russell Wilson to be the quarterback again next year, which was, I don't know, I Guess there's not much in the way of alternatives. Send him to

Jason: 31:46

Las Vegas with Pete Carroll. I think

Pershin: 31:48

there's not much in the way of alternatives. I mean, when you look at like the incoming draft cast, there's basically Bro, DJ Ukulele is in this draft class. All right, man. I think there's basically Cam Ward or Shadier Sanders and some teams Don't even like those guys, honestly, but either you're in on one of those guys or You're gonna take a shot, maybe third, fourth, fifth round, just kind of a question mark. I have only had

Jason: 32:14

Cam Ward. Everyone else can fucking kick rocks. Yeah, I, I kind of feel that too. I've, I've been. Shadora's got the talent. It's just, can it be harnessed? Can it actually, can he turn into a more accurate passer? Someone who doesn't dance around in the pocket for 20 fucking minutes. Because that's the Sean Watson's problem. 90 percent of the time is he's standing, he dances in the pocket, like he's trying to make the long ball. It's like, bro, get rid of the ball. Let the other players do it. And that's what Shiloh, like, I mean, not Shiloh, but Shador, just every time I watch Colorado, it's like, we got to get that deep ball like that. They really wanted that deep ball.

Pershin: 32:58

Yeah, I I guess we'll see how, how, where they go on the draft. My suspicion is that even though they're not the same caliber of like draft, like prospects that we had, like several high. Like, you know, kind of blue chip best guys last year. I still think they probably go super early It'll be interesting to see but I could totally see I think the Titans are the first team to pick I could totally see the Titans just being like we're we'll take our chances with whichever one we prefer here, you know,

Jason: 33:32

right on right on All right. Well moving on moving on to the next topic at hand gonna go maybe a little rapid fire here Patrick Mahone's is never been to anything less than the AFC championship game in every season of his career. It's either Super Bowl or AFC championship loss.

Pershin: 33:58

It is pretty remarkable. I mean, that's kind of what I was talking about when we were, when we were previewing the playoffs. And I was like, look, I think at the end of the day, I think the Chiefs just tighten up. In a way where it kind of feels like they've just been coasting all season. They haven't really been trying their hardest. I think that they are, and I think that they're going to do well and they're going to find their way back to the Superbowl and it, you know, it, I honestly just think it, all of the winning has gotten to particularly Mahomes, but, but probably all of them where it's just kind of like. They're just like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna phone it in this week and we'll probably still win. We're gonna go, like, the season doesn't start until fucking January for them. I

Jason: 34:51

mean, that's how we felt when LeBron was on, like, Miami for all those seasons, where it was just like

Pershin: 34:56

Oh, where he was, like, with Wayne Wade and shit.

Jason: 34:59

Yeah, we're gonna, yeah, we'll As long as we get into the playoffs, we'll, we'll, we'll Then we'll

Pershin: 35:04

turn it on and we'll get, yeah.

Jason: 35:06

Yeah, and that's what they did. Yeah. Next thing Speaking of Mahomes and the Chiefs and three peats, they will not be the first team chasing a three peat in the NFL or football. Other teams have done it. The only NFL team to three peat, though That's right. The Green Bay Packers. They did it from 1965 to 1967. I don't care what this shit was called back then. I don't care. We three peated. We were the first team to three peat. And I will give Chiefs credit though, because that we, we played them in the first two Superbowl. So, you know, Packers other most notable teams in the UFL, the Birmingham Stallions have three peated 2022 to 2024. The Minnesota golf and Golder gophers. From 1934 to 1936. Wait, are they Golden

Pershin: 36:07

Gophers or are they Golfing Gophers? Cause I'm pretty sure you just called them the Golfing Gophers.

Jason: 36:13

Minnesota Golden Gophers. Okay, okay. Gophers. It's hard to say. And then the final team that was three peated was North Dakota State Bison from 2017 to 2019. So take that Mahomes and the Chiefs. You will not be able to three peat. Cause we already did it. So it's already been done.

Pershin: 36:34

So certainly not a three P, but I think it's worth mentioning the only team to do a four Pete loss, the Buffalo bills,

Jason: 36:46

impressive

Pershin: 36:46

in its own little way. I, all I want to say is that I knew that it was going to be the Packers, not because I actually knew that fun fact. But because you had a curious You had a curious grin on your face as you were getting to the question like the question You hadn't even actually said the question yet And I was like, why is this motherfucker in a good mood? I was like and then when you when you said the question I was like, oh it's gonna be the packers then this motherfuckers

Jason: 37:17

Speaking of packers the hardest throws in nfl history Current number one is Jordan Love with 61. 98 miles per hour. Oh wow,

Pershin: 37:29

that is fucking fast. That's like a fucking, that's like a MLB fastball or something.

Jason: 37:36

And that happened this year. That happened in 2024. Number two is Joe Milton in 2024 with 61. 7 miles per hour. That guy's got a broken cannon, bro. Yeah, he does. Number three is Tom Brady in 2021.

Pershin: 37:53

Wow. 61,

Jason: 37:54

61 miles an hour. Not even known for his arm.

Pershin: 37:57

61. 5. Nice.

Jason: 37:58

Yeah, 61. 5. Then we got Baker Mayfield in 2023 at 61. 2. Pat Mahomes this year at 61. 1. And Josh Allen in 2018 at 61. 08. Wow.

Pershin: 38:15

Pretty cool. So many of them just in the past couple years here. I think that this is definitive proof that people are getting that NFL football players are just becoming better and better athletes every single season.

Jason: 38:30

That's right. That's right. Belichick in his contract. I noticed that if he makes the Pop Tarts bowl. He gets 350k.

Pershin: 38:43

Wow.

Jason: 38:44

Just for being in a Pop Tart shop.

Pershin: 38:45

And probably some complimentary Pop Tarts.

Jason: 38:49

Well, yeah, I mean, sure, why not? Probably both teams get

Pershin: 38:52

free Pop Tarts, right?

Jason: 38:53

Yes, yeah, I'm sure they do. Probably like like a couple boxes of mixed flavors and stuff.

Pershin: 38:58

Oh man, Uncrustables must be shit. So why don't we have our own bowl yet?

Jason: 39:04

Boy, I, I think they, I, I am ready for these food bowls. Oh man, the Uncrustables!

Pershin: 39:08

Oh

Jason: 39:10

my gosh, yep. Well, cause you got the Cheesy Bowl, the Mayo Bowl. The Pop Tarts Bowl. Disgusting,

Pershin: 39:16

by the way. Mayo. Yeah. Tastes like it's already gone bad. You guys are all maniacs.

Jason: 39:21

Yeah, and then Belichick finally did sign his contract putting away the rumors of the possible NFL return and blah blah blah So that's good on him. And he's been hitting the recruiting trail. He's Him and his girl been posted all over social media all the recruits they're seeing so that's awesome So yeah, Clemson has to play UNC this year, I think. That's, that should be a fun game. Moving on. Ocho Cinco wants to train with the Charlotte FC. So that's cool. Ocho Cinco, come on over.

Pershin: 39:53

Wait, he wants to train for Like he wants to play again or something?

Jason: 40:00

I don't know if he wants to play soccer. I think he just wants to train.

Pershin: 40:03

Oh, okay.

Jason: 40:04

He just wants to come out and train.

Pershin: 40:05

Why not? Sure.

Jason: 40:06

Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean like think about how cool it would be as like a fan If you could if they could like these teams could set up at their facilities Like hey come train with us like once a week and just, you know, get people active and like, Hey, come, come get fit with us. Like I would be there every week. Training. Yeah, there's, because shit, there's no downside.

Pershin: 40:30

There's no downside.

Jason: 40:30

I mean, these, that shit will work. These

Pershin: 40:32

famous people, they're gonna be on their social medias with, oh, here, this is what I'm doing today. Charlotte fc, or,

Jason: 40:38

yeah, look at me. You helping these beyonds out. Yeah. Yeah, look at, oh, look at the little people. I love them so much. I've

Pershin: 40:44

actually been surprised at like how many sort of minor league teams, whether it's soccer or arena football, or, you know, this Baseball, whatever it is. So many of them actually have ties where the ownership is like a former, very sort of celebrity sports star. Oh, right. Right, right. I've actually been surprised that they don't milk that as much as they could. Like you think that Michael Jordan and I own various minor league teams. I'm fucking working out at their facilities all the time. I'm, I'm doing all Oh, yeah, well he,

Jason: 41:24

he's, he definitely does.

Pershin: 41:25

Oh, he does? Oh, okay.

Jason: 41:27

Like, when he owned the Hornets, he would go and play basketball, like, during, with their practice and stuff like that.

Pershin: 41:32

Oh, okay.

Jason: 41:33

Like, he would go practice I guess, Yeah, I would imagine the owners probably I guess

Pershin: 41:36

I'm just out of the loop. I didn't know, because I, I never hear about these

Jason: 41:40

things. Because, you know, like, a lot of owners, they, you know, they'll have, like, all of their gigs and shit, like, their side projects and all that. But their office for like maybe themselves is probably at like, you know, like, like Mark Davis probably has his office at Las Vegas is like stadium. So it's like he's all, someone's always there. Like somebody is always at those stadiums and arenas. It's usually like the front office.

Pershin: 42:06

Okay. In that case, it's probably It's probably so common that it's not much of a story at all. Yeah.

Jason: 42:15

Well speaking of stories Baseball I got some thoughts on baseball real quick. Hall of Fame Ichiro finally just got in the Hall of Fame and he was one vote short of a unanimous decision and That kind of stuff not that I care about the Baseball Hall of Fame, but the Hall of Fame is in general That kind of stuff is annoying because it's like who's the one fucking asshole that wanted to vote against like, how do you have a 99 percent unanimous vote? But the one fucking asshole is like, I know everybody else thinks he gets in, but no, fuck him. He said, he said he hated me back in 94 and I've never let that shit go. You're talking about

Pershin: 43:04

Ichiro Suzuki, right? Yes, yeah, the Mariners. That's wild because I'm not even a big baseball guy and I could tell you he should be in the Hall of Fame, like Right. The fact that there was somebody who actually knows baseball who's like, nah, he's not good enough. Nah. Like bro, come on.

Jason: 43:20

Bro is salty. Bro is salty.

Pershin: 43:23

He must have been denied interviews or something. Right.

Jason: 43:26

Right. And then my other thought is on Hall of Fames. Billy Wagner, he just got in on his final year of voting, his 10th year of being on the ballot. He finally gets in. Why are we letting people in that have been on the ballot for 10 fucking years? He clearly doesn't deserve to get in. Right, he's had 9 tries? He's had 9 tries. 9 times. Are we

Pershin: 43:52

sure that he deserves to

Jason: 43:53

be in? So you're telling me the only reason he got in is because there wasn't somebody else on the ballot? That could oust him that could have got in over and over him. So it's just like How long does one need to be on the ballot? number one And why do we have these lengths? Why do we get several turns? I think

Pershin: 44:14

you should have like a four or five year window And that's it.

Jason: 44:20

I would agree with that or they can even do

Pershin: 44:22

it if if they wanted to like give more time for Whatever reasons for people to look back through history or whatever you can even do it to where it's like, okay You get three tries, but bro, they know who's coming up But

Jason: 44:35

the thing is like it'll be like it's not a mystery who's going to be on the battle

Pershin: 44:39

What I mean is what they could do if that was a concern i'm not saying it should be I don't know but i'm just saying What they could do is they could be like, okay, you get three different tries and they'll purposely be spaced out. So it'll be every five years you get your second and then another five years you get your third. But I mean the thing is, the thing is that I don't think people should get ten cracks at it. Like that's just, you know.

Jason: 45:02

Ten. 10. He got 10 cracked. Like, are you even excited? If you've

Pershin: 45:06

been

Jason: 45:06

on

Pershin: 45:06

the

Jason: 45:07

Like, they finally were like, let's alright, let's

Pershin: 45:09

If you've been on the Let's let's If you've been on the bubble, but haven't successfully got in over 9 different classes Your stats are questionable. Then that means you're on one side of the bubble. Like, I'm sorry.

Jason: 45:22

Your your stats

Pershin: 45:23

are suspect. Yeah, and I mean It's no shame. Obviously, you were a good player to even be in consideration, but not everybody who's in consideration should get in. Maybe there

Jason: 45:34

should be, maybe there should be a secondary hall of fame for people who were in consideration.

Pershin: 45:41

People, I don't think people would even want to be in that.

Jason: 45:44

Like, like this is the, this is the, you were on the ballot hall of fame. This is the real hall of fame. You were on the ballot. And then, like, if you weren't on the ballot at all, then you don't have anywhere to be. Like, people, we just forget about you.

Pershin: 45:59

I mean, honestly, what they should do is like At the Hall of Fame, there is the main Hall of Fame players that are on the Hall of Fame proper or whatever. But then they could literally just have another room where it's like, notable players.

Jason: 46:18

Just the ballot. And

Pershin: 46:19

then, it'll be like, notable players who were ever in consideration or whatever.

Jason: 46:25

Oh, right, right. Like their name could be inscribed on the wall or something.

Pershin: 46:28

Right. And they can, they can give it whatever flowery name that they want or whatever. And then people, people who give a shit to dig a little bit deeper, who want to know who are these other people maybe that are just Uber fans or they're interested in a specific player they wanted. To know more about that player, then they, they could just have it there at the hall of fame. You don't even have to have it. It'd be, that's a good idea. Separate thing. It's like they can still get their sort of

Jason: 46:55

the writings

Pershin: 46:56

or, or they're sort of recognize they could get their sort of flowers in an official way without everybody in consideration getting it. Cause sometimes I feel like. Everyone who was ever in consideration ends up getting in, and I just feel like we shouldn't be having everybody get in.

Jason: 47:16

And then, where do you cap the holo fape? Like, is there, like, do you start dropping people off at some point, or do we just keep expanding? Like, because that shit's gonna get, like, bloated. Like, this is supposed to be a prestigious I actually I think we need to get I actually thought about I actually thought about Hold on, hold that thought. I think I want to expand on your four to five years and knock it down to two. I want this to be an exclusive. Like you have to be best of the best, not just top 10 at your position. You got to be number one when you were in on the field. I'm talking like your Tom Brady is getting in. Brett Favre can't get in. Brett Favre can't get in. He wasn't number one at his position at the time.

Pershin: 48:02

Oh, wow. You want to make it really the elite?

Jason: 48:05

I want to make it the elite. This is what we're talking about. This is supposed to be the elite. Well,

Pershin: 48:09

see, I kind of agree with you. I do think that they've already gotten too far from that. Like, it's already so watered down. And it has been for, like, generations now. That it's like, it's all, it's all, it's too fuzzy. Like, how good do you actually have to be to get in? And I'm afraid that it's like So far gone that it's already to the point where it doesn't mean as much as it should, you know It I think that it should mean a pretty big deal And unfortunately, it's like in order to know who the actual elite players are You're gonna have to do your own research because the hall of fame It's going to sh Right. And they're all going to be good players in there, but it's, it's going to be like, you're not going to know the difference between, you know, Steve Largent and Jerry Rice. You're not going to know the di they're all getting in, you know what I

Jason: 49:01

mean? Well, I know Jerry likes to eat rice, so

Pershin: 49:05

Oh, yeah. Also part of the food conspiracy, yeah. Yeah,

Jason: 49:10

the food conspiracy. Oh, Jerry, what you eat? Oh, Jerry's eating rice. I love that commercial. That is one of my favorite Matthew McConaughey. I

Pershin: 49:20

actually do like the commercial, but I feel like I've seen it so many times now. Yeah. Just like, can we cut some other funny commercials already?

Jason: 49:29

Indeed. Indeed. And then the last little bit of thing that I'm going to say before we get on up out of here, before I give you all the information until further notice, Mahomes is the MVP every season until he, until, until he doesn't win a super bowl.

Pershin: 49:45

Oh, and it's the,

Jason: 49:47

and it's the AFC chiefs. I no longer recognize any other teams in that conference. It's the American football

Pershin: 49:55

chiefs.

Jason: 49:56

Yes. It is the American football chiefs. There is it's, it's the chiefs one team in the AFC versus what is it? 16 teams in the NFC. That's it. That's the NFL. That's all I consider the NFL. Until proven otherwise, Josh Allen is a bum, Lamar Jackson is a bum, Joe Burrow is a bum, and also I want to change my MVP to Saquon Barkley on the NFC side, because he is an absolute animal. With that being said, if you got anything you want to argue with us about, hit us up at the email at pineponypodcasts at gmail. com or find us out on threads, Instagram at pineponypodcasts. And that's all we got catch you later adios