Week 3 Shenanigans

This week on Pine Pony Podcast, we delve into the exhilarating happenings of Week 3. We kick things off discussing the new MLB challenge rules for balls and strikes, moving on to the latest changes in Canadian football, and Charlotte FC's surprising streak. We look into NCAA football with a critical look at Clemson's struggles, and round it off with NFL Week 3 highlights and Week 4 predictions. Expect in-depth discussions on teams like the Packers, Chiefs, Ravens, Chargers and players like Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and more. Tune in for a packed episode full of football insights, debates, and a glimpse into future matchups!

Chapters

• 1:02 MLB's New Challenge Rule
• 2:42 CFL Field Changes
• 5:05 CLT FC Playoff Push
• 6:26 CFB Talk
• 29:56 NFL Injury Report
• 37:23 Chiefs V Giants
• 44:38 Ravens v Lions
• 49:14 Jets v Bucs
• 52:14 Chargers v Broncos
• 57:00 49ers v Cards
• 1:04:34 Week 4 Look Ahead
• 1:09:42 Fantasy Football Diss Track /Outro

Transcript

Jason: 0:10

Welcome, welcome to another edition of The Pie and Pony podcast, man. It's week three and I'm here with the OG and the Fantasy Uncle. I'm here with myself and the fantasy uncle. What's up, Persian?

Pershin: 0:26

Howdy, howdy. It's always good to be on the pod with yourself and the OGs. Yes. I'll take both of y'all like that. Personality

Jason: 0:37

split personality. Alright, well, you know, today we're gonna talk about week three, NCAA college football, Canadian football, football, and MLB. We got a lot on the plate, so let's get after it. Let's start the show. Alright, so first thing I wanted to talk about is MLB has officially announced. That they are going to allow challenges at the plate for balls and strikes next season after, you know,'cause they did the robot thing this year, so now they feel like that works well. So they're gonna allow two challenges per game, per team. So that'll be, you know,

Pershin: 1:29

okay. And the challenges will be done by the, the coach. Right. It won't be the batter that could

Jason: 1:34

do it. Right. You know, I didn't really read into this, but I think the, the batter, but, you know,

Pershin: 1:42

wow,

Jason: 1:43

let me look this up real quick.

Pershin: 1:45

That's pretty cool if you're, if you're an actual player who gets to protest right there on the spot.

Jason: 1:51

I mean, that would be wild though, because like

Pershin: 1:53

I imagine they, they love that. They would absolutely love that.

Jason: 1:58

Well, I mean, to be fair, remember this is used in minor leagues already. So, yeah, I don't know. It, it doesn't really, it doesn't really say just, so there's probably more to come. They'll probably send out an official notice once the season gets closer. I mean, the season's not even over yet, so it's not for next season. So all good though. But, but it's cool.

Pershin: 2:24

I actually didn't realize they were doing it in the minor leagues, so like at the RiverDogs game, they've already got on Don Dunno if it going on, I dunno, at

Jason: 2:30

the RiverDogs game, but it's probably more like triple a I, I remember we discussed it at one point on this pod. I, I can't remember which episode, but it, it was a brief discussion about it. Anyway, moving to Canadian football, they decided to be more like the NFL. They shorted shortened their field from a hundred yard, from 110 yards to a hundred yards. They shrunk the zones from. 15, 20 yards to 15 yards, and the goalposts are moved from the front of the end zone to the back of the end zone. That one's more of a player safety thing, but I liked it.

Pershin: 3:09

Well, it's

Jason: 3:10

basically, it's a little, it's a little bit wider than the NFL field, but it's, otherwise it's the same.

Pershin: 3:18

I mean you might as well just make it exactly like the NFL at this

Jason: 3:22

point. Well, yeah, and this was, this was met with some backlash. I mean, the, the beat British Columbia Lions quarterback, Nathan Rourke called the changes, and I quote, garbage, garbage. He, he said that they didn't, that the league did not even discuss these with the players or the coaches and had they, that he would, that everyone would've said no, which I agree. This is bullshit. They're just trying to piggyback off the

Pershin: 3:54

Yeah.

Jason: 3:55

You know, NFL they're, because they're trying to get more points. I, I like the idea,

Pershin: 4:02

I like the idea that these different leagues, even if they're not necessarily you know, as big or successful as the NFL, that they could at least have their own flavor to them, their own various, you know, sort of feel. And I, I think that over the decades, the Canadian Football League has been just more and more in line with the NFL. I just feel like you might as well just give it up at this point and just make everything exactly like how the NFL does it. If, if, if this is the route point. No, we're know, it's like

Jason: 4:37

every viewer they ever had, if they do that, if they change the rules too. Canadians love that football league. They're mad. They're mad. I don't

Pershin: 4:50

know. I don't, I I

Jason: 4:52

never

Pershin: 4:52

followed it too

Jason: 4:53

much. Did the gray cup?

Pershin: 4:55

Yeah,

Jason: 4:55

bro. The gray cups, that's where it's at. Only the best passers come from Canadian Football League. So moving over to Futball, Charlotte FC Snapped a nine game winning streak man. They lost to NYC ffc two nil still. Now they're tied with N-Y-F-C-N-Y-C-F-C, it's hard to say that, but now they're tied in the M-S-N-B-C football

Pershin: 5:27

club

Jason: 5:30

and so now they're tied with the New York team for third place. But Charlotte fcs still in third down by seven points from first three games left to go. All important 12 points. So yeah, excited to see. They got Montreal next on Saturday I think. So it'll be awesome to watch'cause I won't have Clemson to look forward to.

Pershin: 5:58

So they're, they're down seven points from first place, but they're still in line to beat playoffs, right? They've already played

Jason: 6:05

the playoffs. So they're in the playoffs no matter. Oh, okay. It just depends on where they get seated at. Woo woo. So for me, I would love the home game'cause we play, we're, we're pretty dominant at home, so, and I always wanna see that stadium packed. So excited, excited. Good times up in Charlotte for the football club. Alright, moving over to NCAA football. Bill Belichick off to a one in three start, man. Not looking good. And he's got, I believe he's got Clemson in the f in the deflating Dabo Sweeneys. Up next, the battle of two, one and three teams. Oh man.

Pershin: 6:48

I mean, the good news is someone's getting away. Yeah, right. Someone's coming outta there. Two and three. Yeah. And then

Jason: 6:57

we'll get back to that in a second because Illinois versus Indiana was supposed to be a barn burner, and boy it was not. Let me tell you, Illinois number nine, Illinois got that ass waxed by number 19, I think Indiana, if I'm not mistaken, it was 63 to 10 and this was supposed to be like, yeah, number nine, Illinois. Number 19. It was supposed to be a closed game. In fact, game day. Everybody on game day picked the fighting and LA and I, yeah, talk about freezing cold takes.

Pershin: 7:41

Wow.

Jason: 7:42

And then what happened to this team? It got goodness. It got destroyed. Destroyed. Wow. It wasn't even fun to watch. And I was at Stan's bar up in Ojo Chow Costa Rica, watching it, watching the game. Pretty cool. Little place. Yeah. Stands? Stands bar.

Pershin: 8:01

That's sounds remarkably American because the owner is

Jason: 8:04

American.

Pershin: 8:06

Yeah. Okay.

Jason: 8:08

It is named

Pershin: 8:09

a, imagine if you had a alt line like that though. Like imagine if you were like, oh, I'm, I'm not only picking the upset for the Hoosiers, but I'm pushing this line way, way back. I mean, I'm sure it doesn't go that far back. Right. But I mean, boy, you could have made a ton of money

Jason: 8:25

for that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Then we had Oklahoma, Auburn, Oklahoma b Auburn 24 17. So that was a, not an upset. They were both ranked. Oklahoma was 11, Auburn was 22, but. I think Auburn had, you know, big, big hopes this year. So that kind of got smashed. And in South Carolina what is happening? They had high hopes just like Clemson did this year and they lost to Missouri. Number 23, Missouri beat South Carolina. I mean, I don't know what the things, the South Carolina teams are collapsing. Both of them are oh and two in the conference. What? This game at the end of the year, I'm telling, man, I got, I got ran. Hold on, let's, let's, lets get the text. So here we go. Arch Manning is catching all of this Hell, for not looking like this dominant quarterback that everyone praised him to be, even though they did win 55 to zero. But he's still catching hell. And I'm just going to there. This. The media is posing him as he's like the second coming of Christ, which is interesting for two reasons, because one, the rapture actually didn't happen today, so he can't be. And then two, his stats are identical to Eli and Peyton Manning stats in college, total yards, 1600 in the ra, in, in the 1600 range, both, all three total touchdown. Arch Manning actually has more, 19 for him, 13 for Peyton, 14 for Eli completion percentage was in the 60%. As as the other two. He has more interception. He does have more interceptions. All three of the records at this point in their, like, first starting season, were five in one and Arch Manning's rating is better than the other two. So, you know, if that's what I'm looking at, you know, I'll, you keep doing you, bud. You're gonna, you're gonna turn out just fine.

Pershin: 10:35

Yeah, I, I think the, I think the big weight, you know, the weight of the manning name has so much more to do with the NFL careers than it does the college stuff, right? And so, well, on one hand, I think it's probably unfair for everyone to just expect him to be X, y, Z, just because of his last name. On the other hand, like you said. I think that his story will be told at the pro level. I mean, it is pretty much a guarantee. Even if he sucks this year, someone's gonna draft him, he's gonna go to the pros. It, that's when it's really gonna matter as far as like, oh, how does he stack up with his other family members, yada, yada. Right? But, you know, for, for Archie Manning, and then certainly for Peyton Manning, it was about success at the pro level. Most people don't even know what they did in college. And, and from, from the stats you just read off, it wasn't necessarily anything special. Anyway, so I, I just think the whole thing is like a one big long, let's just wait and see. Yeah, let's just wait and see.

Jason: 11:51

Alright, so moving on to my thoughts about Clemson and the current season. I don't, are you ready for this, man? Are you ready?

Pershin: 12:02

Oh, of course, of course. I'm, I'm gonna let you let you sort of say how you feel about the whole situation and then I'll probably ask you some more specific questions about it. But go ahead.

Jason: 12:13

This team is absolutely atrocious. I don't understand how you large, in part have the same team come back and you start off worse than you ended the season with. So if you end the season out on a high, how do you come back and you're worse? And for me, Dabo has done nothing but complain and be negative. Woe is me. Why is everybody else not being treated the same? You know, you would think a man of God would be a little bit more positive on, on just an average front. And what's interesting to me is he, along this negative journey he's been on, he gets more negative by the year. Our teams have gotten worse. I don't know if that's a correlation, but I'm just saying it's time to get back on the positive train. Man. You, you're not, your team looks deflated. You come out flat in every single game. Like, like the team doesn't wanna be there. That's what I'm looking at on the field. And this season ha has, has gotten to be a warning shot to him that he needs to eat some humble pie. Quit talking about the past. Football is a what have you done for me lately? Sport and what has he done for me lately? Has done nothing but piss me off. Every single season where we go and play these cupcake teams, we have all this praise coming into the season. And then it's like. You know, who, what are we doing? You know, we're, we're dumbfounded at our plays. Then we go on the thing and say, we're one play away. We're one play away. Okay. Well, Syracuse came in and whipped our ass this weekend. They took the score and never looked back. We looked like shit. And were we one play away there? Oh no. Oh, okay. So, so what we doing now, we're just bitching that the players faked injuries. So I mean, they did get fined by the A CC for faking injuries, but that's not what lost you to game, you know?

Pershin: 14:20

Right.

Jason: 14:21

And then, you know, back to the standard, he's complaining about the standard and it's like you set the standard best. Is the standard Is that not on your wall? It's like the Ted lasso believe it's on the wall of the locker room best is the standard. And I just don't see how he can honestly look in the mirror and look at the Clemson fan base and say. This team is playing the absolute best that they can play. And if that's the case, then we probably got bigger problems than, than what we're talking about here, because if that's the best, then we've got an issue at recruiting on top of our coaching issue, which we have because our team's not getting better year after year, they're getting worse and worse, and he's just starting to sound like a broken record like Ron Rivera did on his way out of the Panthers. Oh, we just had a missed opportunity. Every game he lose is missed opportunity, missed opportunities. It's like, well, eventually I'm gonna get tired of missing opportunities and it's gonna be time to fire his ass. Now, I'm not saying that we should fire Dabo because I honestly don't see a replacement out there. I don't see anybody who's available That would be better unless you're taking a shot on a young guy like you did on Dabo. But. You don't know how that's gonna work out with Dabo. You at least know, you know, I mean, maybe not after this year, but we don't know. But at least for the time being, every year you're, you're gonna be in the thick of things, you know? But again, I, I don't know, man. After this season, I'm looking at the schedule and I mean, we still gotta play Florida State. SMU is still decent. Mm. You know, we played North Carolina. We played South Carolina, and the way we played against Troy, I mean, Boston College at Boston College could beat us at Louisville, could beat us. So at South Carolina, that could be long. We'll be lucky to make a bowl game then if it ain't the Pop-Tarts one. Yeah. I don't care. So,

Pershin: 16:30

yeah, I, I was gonna ask you about specifically this past week, because the narrative frequently, not just this season, but especially this season after these games, it's kind of like Davos attitude is a little bit along the lines of, oh, if there was just this one thing that, that we executed better on if there's just like this one play or this one play. But with the Syracuse game, it kind of felt like, and I'll admit that I didn't watch every play, but it kind of felt like the team just wasn't in it. Yeah. That's what it looked like. This wasn't about just like poor execution on one play, a lapse of focus or whatever. This, this seemed like a. Come out and play like shit. Play. Well, you know what's crazy, so hold real

Jason: 17:21

quick. You know what's crazy? I don't know if he, we had 500 yards of offense. Okay, well that's pretty, and you still lost the game. Like, but that's how bad they looked. Even though they have 500 yards of offense, they couldn't score, they couldn't finish drives. It was like, you know, you just, and you turned the ball over, things like that, man. So to me it just looked like, like you're saying, like they just didn't care.

Pershin: 17:50

Yeah. I, I listened to a little bit of the local radio people calling in. There's like, a lot of fans really do seem to believe that there's no passion on the field. Like the players aren't given full effort. And I wonder if when you, when you watch the game, if that's how you're feeling too. Because like you said, if there's a problem with the same players playing worse than they did last year, then this might be a bigger issue than just simply, oh, poor game plan here, or poor execution here and there. But thi this is like something's going on in that locker room. Is that the vibe you're getting

Jason: 18:35

or, I mean, I don't think there's something going on in the what locker room? I just think we're in a different era of football and I think, you know, with these guys making money, they're, you know, some of them may not be as hungry or may not pay it. I, I won't say that because they still obviously wanna make it to the NFL, but I just don't think they feel like. They just kind of lack a lackadaisical through it. It's like, oh, it's not as important because I'm making millions of dollars already. Or, you know, I can do this with my eyes closed'cause I'm good, but I don't, you know, I don't need to pay attention to the fundamentals. And then they go out there and, you know, the, they already had two losses on the season, so it's kind of like, oh, what's the point? I mean, the way the co college football is set up, I mean, in the back in the day, you can only get one loss really, and you're fucked. But now you have a little bit more leeway. But even still, if you lose a conference game, you're kind of like your, your season is close to being done. Like you're one more loss away in the conference for most conferences. You're not gonna win the conference with two losses. And that's kind of what

Pershin: 19:51

Yeah. Defensively

Jason: 19:52

is what I thought. One thing I was thinking, because Syracuse came out to play, they did an onside kick and got the ball back immediately in the fir first two, first series of the game, they scored onside, kick, got the ball back. And so a, I think they were shell shocked a little bit that Syracuse came to play.'cause they, again, all this season hype, all this, oh, we got a Heisman contender on our team. We gotta, we're supposed to be playing for a national title. Yeah. So they go to some of these school play Syracuse and, and boom, get punched in the mouth and then this downhill from there, like, where is this a, a Dabo team that won national championships would've got back up and you know, fought back and won that game. Whereas what we're seeing in the last couple years. It is like there's just no, no gumption in these teams. Like there's no grit. There's no, like Dabo used to have these teams ready to play. If they weren't, you know, it, it, it is like we come out and we're not ready to play the game at all.

Pershin: 20:57

Okay. I feel you. One thing I I was gonna say is like, this is kind of a more, more broad sort of conversation, but I, I don't think I ever mentioned this on the pod before, but one thing I was, I was thinking about when they, when all the NIL stuff started and, you know, the, the kids started getting really big contracts, it's like, I think that it, it sort of changes the dynamic within these teams. Like in the pros you see maybe more so an NBA than NFL, but you see basically in all the pro sports that when you have a really high paid superstar, that guy has leverage. Whether the coach likes it or not, that guy has leverage in that building, that organization to ownership. And so, I gotta think it's probably a similar thing, whether it's the DA or whoever it is. Or excuse me, the ad or whoever it is that actually signs off on, okay, we're paying him this amount of money. I think when an organization or a program makes a huge investment in a player to a certain degree, they feel like, okay, things really need to work with this player now and we need to bend over backwards to make sure that this player works out since we have so much invested. Yeah. And I think it could be a similar thing that's starting to happen with with the college level, whereas the coaches are actually losing some of the leverage on the players. Maybe some of the coaches like Dabo that certainly are not used to this environment are having a harder time adapting

Jason: 22:36

to it. He absolutely is, but it's because he's stubborn and just like, I understand you don't want to use the portal. I understand that. You go and you make these promises to these kids and you wanna keep the promises, but at the same time. If when they commit to you, they are making a promise to you that they are going to be what they, what you're subscribing to as well. So if you're a five star commit coming in and you are not living up to five star commitment abilities, then unfortunately I gotta get rid of you. I gotta bring somebody in to replace you. And if there's nobody coming up from high school to do that, then you need to hit the portal. You can't just keep putting people out. And I'm not saying that's what happens'cause I don't, I don't really, I don't su pay attention to a lot of the commitments coming in, whether they're four or five, six, you know, three stars or whatever.'cause that's relatively right. I mean, but if you have that bill, if you have that Heisman hype coming in and you're not playing up to your abilities or you're not playing up to your abilities from the year prior. Then that's a problem, man. That's a problem. And we need to bring somebody into play. And, and then they come out and say, you know, they asked if KK Clubnick would be getting benched anytime soon if they thought about that. And the response from o, from Riley, the OC was, oh, we haven't even, like, Zenia is like, we haven't even thought, we haven't even got close to even thinking about putting him in. And I'm like, to me, that tells me that the next quarterback up ish, I mean, that's probably

Pershin: 24:22

a lie, right? Well, right. I feel like that's probably just a lie if he's trying, he's trying to make club nick feel like he, so if it is a lie, something that's great.

Jason: 24:30

If it's not a lie and Zenia sucks. We've got a real problem.

Pershin: 24:36

That's even worse. That's even, that's even worse. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to know with, with these things especially nowadays, like, like we were just saying, how much more complicated it is. But I mean, at the end of the day. We're not in the locker room. We don't know how it's really going as far as the coach's decisions and their discussions with each other and everything, yada yada. We, we don't know that stuff. But the part that I have been, you know, concerned with from my perspective is just his attitude doesn't seem to have shifted despite the lack of success. Like, it's almost like he still believes that he deserves a certain due. Yeah. Gratitude. I mean, are we tired of winning yet? It's another disappointing, seizing, and another disappointing season. And you think after a while he'd be like, okay, like I need to be humble here because it, it's been a minute now since I've been that guy and the ever since he made that comment that was basically like, oh, you know, it feels like sometimes the Clemson fans just don't appreciate me anymore. And I know that there's places who would appreciate me. And like, that sort of rubbed me the wrong way. But at the end of the day, I was like, you know what? That comment's not gonna matter much. I, if he gets to win in championships again, or, or, you know, just, just having these really big contender seasons again, that comment won't look so bad because he'll be backing it up. But the problem is he hasn't necessarily made that same quote. But the problem is he seems to have the same attitude as he's not. Yeah. Fulfilling that though. He, so it's like at some point you gotta, you gotta be humble and you kind of have to say like, man, you know, I'm sorry to the Clemson fans, you know, the expectations were not this and we're gonna do X, Y, Z to get the shit turned around. And it feels all you need

Jason: 26:43

to say. It feels

Pershin: 26:43

like instead of that, instead of that, he's just kind of frustrated with people trying to understand Heand. Yeah, the

Jason: 26:49

cls the fan base for being mad that the team's not performing to the standard that he set. So, sorry dude, we pissed in your cereal because your team sucks right now. My bad. Like, bro, are we tired of winning yet? No, we're not tired of winning and in fact going to the playoffs is, is good. I would love to continue going to the playoffs, but I don't wanna be yelled at because I'm frustrated that our team's playing like shit. Like, who the fuck do you like? It also kind of just. Last thing I'm gonna say'cause he is getting me worked up because it's like, who the fuck do you think you are, man? Like, we're the only people that gave you a shot to even get to where you are right now.

Pershin: 27:32

Yeah. And and, and that's the thing is it, is it, it went both ways, right. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, of course he helped the organization but also like, come on, everyone embraced him. He was star right? His own. We were the only contents

Jason: 27:45

that gave him a shot. And we're sitting here, Clemson fans have had his back since fucking day one. If a recruit left, everybody on the bandwagon said, oh, if you're not all in then we don't want you. And everybody did that and everybody's had his back on every move that he's ever made. And so to, for him to turn on the fan base and get mad at them for being frustrated that we are one in three is ridiculous. It's asinine. And it's like, bro, I hope. I, you know, I hope this is a miserable season because if it's miserable, maybe just, maybe he'll get his head out of his ass and start thinking about the future instead of what, oh, I want, you know, I want this. Look at what I did for you. Look at what you, blah, blah. Like, go fuck yourself, bro. Go go to New Spring and start, start praying anyway. Fuck got me heated, man. It was starting to turn into Smith.

Pershin: 28:48

Yeah,

Jason: 28:50

and what's funny is Smith had a high host what the think is that, and he, he was eating all the, he was eating it all in all the hype. S

Pershin: 28:58

Oh, he told me that. Yeah. He was like, man, I, I, I was buying into all their own fucking, they were, they were fucking spraying everybody down with Kool-Aid, man. And I was just like, yum, yum, yum. Oh my God. He, he was like, yeah, they, they, they definitely had themselves on, on all kinds of self hype bullshit, and, and I, I guess he's one of the people that fell for it. But can you pay

Jason: 29:22

for hype? Like, can you pay the networks to hype you up more than what you really are? I wonder.

Pershin: 29:31

I maybe, I mean, probably in, in 2025 in,

Jason: 29:35

in Trump's America. Definitely. Honestly.

Pershin: 29:38

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's all pay to play now, baby. Like it's all transactional, but, all right. Well, let's, let's get off

Jason: 29:45

it. You got, you got one last question

Pershin: 29:46

without, without.

Jason: 29:49

Okay.

Pershin: 29:50

No, no. We've said enough. Man. I'm ju I'm just gonna end up derailing this.

Jason: 29:54

All right. So let's move on. The injury report after week three. Mike Evans. Three to four weeks. Tyrone and Tracy hurt his arm. We don't know what we don't, I don't know what the timetable is for him.

Pershin: 30:07

Pour some tsin on it.

Jason: 30:08

Take some Tylenol, but not if you're pregnant. Nick Bosa, he got hurt. And Nadji Harris, torn Achilles. He is done for the season, so, but Mario and Hampton, only one back there. Time to shine. And he did shine. He did shine. We'll get into that though. And then this week, common themes were field goals and late fourth quarter pushes a lot of scoring. In the fourth quarter Packers gave the game away. In the fourth quarter, five minutes left up, 10 nothing. Browns scored, kicked the field goal. Then Jordan Love threw an interception at the worst possible time. They immediately scored, tie the game up. We go down, cool, calm and collected. Get in the field. Goal range. Go to kick a field goal. The Browns block it, they turn right back around, kick a field goal, win the game. It was fucking hard. I was so freaking like, I thought we had this game in the bag. I'm like, oh, five minutes left, man. My guys Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs are just gonna eat this clock up and, and we're gonna go home and call it a day. But no, but no, no, the fucking shitty browns like, dude, the Browns are like, like a, like a, a shit stain that's like faint in your underwear. Like it's been washed out several times and they just won't go away. It's just like they're that annoying team. Yeah. That will never win anything. To, they'll never win a Super Bowl, but they're there just to beat teams that, that are like, be like, you know, oh, we're just gonna beat this random team today.

Pershin: 31:58

I. Yeah, that's, that's where their name came from actually, is from doing laundry. You, you got your darks, your whites, and then you have the, the things that are shit stain. We call those the browns. Okay. So we got our darks, our whites, and our browns. Oh my God. That's hilarious. They're just really bad. But look to, to be fair to the browns, as boring as they can be to watch sometimes, and they really do have a good defense this year. All three games, their defense has outperformed expectation. The team they've gone against has, has. What's, what am I looking for? It is gone under the, the Vegas total. Right. And so I'll give'em credit where creditors do, they do well on special teams and they, they do well on defense. But the thing is that, that the Packers should have just won this game. I, I actually was listening to Mo most of the first half on the radio, and the guy was actually talking about at halftime how the, the fans were kind of like reluctant to return to their seats and everyone looked bummed out because even though it was kind of a, a tight game, it really was that the packers had dominated that first half. Yes. They, they just didn't parlay that into actual touchdowns, which of course you need to do at some point. But it, it was just amazing to think that like I. The, those were basically how the feelings of the game the entire time until like the last couple minutes and

Jason: 33:30

Yeah. You know, the ES ESPN broke loose, basically game tracker where it's like, it's got like the, it's like the graph,

Pershin: 33:37

the probability, you know, it's like the Packers the whole

Jason: 33:40

time it's been like green on the one side of the horizontal line, and then you get to like the last two minute, one minute of the game and it just shoots down to the Browns. Boy, God, I hate the Browns. Kevin's Stefanski worst coach in the NFL. The Rams also lost by field goal. They had their field goal blocked, and then the, the Eagles went and kicked the game winner. Man, the Eagles

Pershin: 34:08

are the

Jason: 34:08

most boring team in football. Their offense is boring. The, the tooth Oh yeah. Is just. I it, what what's amazing is the tush push isn't gonna get banned for any of the other reasons that, that people have been arguing about. It's ultimately gonna get banned because it's, they cheat, they false start every time they cheat. And the referees they keep, have really have no way to, to see what's happening. And so it, it's becoming a liability for the referees and that's why it's gonna be banned. But

Pershin: 34:48

yeah. Ah, maybe, yeah. I was gonna say, maybe they, maybe they could just literally have New York watch the, the TV angles and be like, yo, fuck no.

Jason: 35:00

I, I just think they're gonna,

Pershin: 35:01

but

Jason: 35:02

they're just gonna say, fuck it and ban it that way they don't have to police it.

Pershin: 35:07

Yeah.

Jason: 35:07

Like.

Pershin: 35:08

Yeah. I mean, it is, it is pretty frustrating to see that like the, the NFL actually noticed the pushback of people being like, yo, they keep cheating. They keep fucking false starting. Yeah. What the fuck is this about? And then, so the, the NFL actually issued a statement and you were actually the one that, that sent me, sent a few of our friends that the link to the NFL's actual, you know, statement and that, and I was like, oh, this is good. So they're, they'll stop cheating now if nothing else. The Eagles know that, Hey, we're hip to your shit. And the Eagles are just like right back the

Jason: 35:47

next game, right back the next game. First tush, I watched, oh, immediately I, and I texted you guys immediately first tush push, false start, boom. I was just like, oh my God.

Pershin: 35:58

Yeah.

Jason: 35:59

Anyway, nonetheless. Yeah. And then we move on to the, to just a quick note about the Steelers. Five, what? Five or six turnovers in the game and only 21 points. What? That is not an MVP type performance out of Aaron Rodgers. Man. I mean, I don't like, come on. Do you think the Packers beat

Pershin: 36:22

themselves, bro? The Patriots beat themselves? Well,

Jason: 36:25

hunter Henry went absolutely off and he was absolutely going off on my bench, but, but I still won both games that I had him in on the bench. Dude, the

Pershin: 36:42

crazy thing is, is like. He looked good even last year. I was like, why did they keep, they, they have him splitting time with Austin Hooper so much. I'm like, dude, Austin Hooper sucks. Austin Hooper

Jason: 36:54

is not hooping. He's

Pershin: 36:55

he is clearly better Yeah. Than Austin Hooper every fucking play. He's out there. He looks better. I, I don't understand what they're doing. They need to just, it should be like a 80 20 split, not like 60 40 or whatever. Yeah.

Jason: 37:09

And I also had ver Andre Stevenson starting. Thanks. Fucking fumbling on the goal line. Fucking asshole. Anyway, so let's, let's get into some of the games a little bit more in depth conversation. Chiefs versus Giants, we'll start off there. Chiefs won the game and I mean, it was 22 to nine, but to me it wasn't a very convincing win. They should have absolutely dominated the Giants. The giants stink with Russell Wilson and, and quite in all, quite honesty. If that was against any other team, they probably would be sitting here at oh and three. The Giants had two turnovers. I mean, they were, they were yolo balls by Russ. I just, I just, I just think he's lost it. You know, Mahomes is taken like the whole first half off in every game, so it's just kinda like, you know, it takes, it either takes him a little longer to get going or he's just like, as you alluded to, playing it safe and just, you know, let's get to the fucking playoffs. But even he had some weird plays where he tried to throw it like he was gonna get sacked and then he tried to throw it behind him, but then he comes back to the next play and like, just throws an absolute dart. So in, in my opinion, I just think the Chiefs need to just play a little bit more in the first half and not save it all for the second half. And as far as the Giants to me, you have Saquon Barkley, you have what's his name? Daniel Bryan Mack Jones playing elsewhere. And they're both playing better than when they played with you and after that whole debacle with Saquon Barkley. I'm fi immediately, right now I'm firing Dbol and Chen'cause I don't want them touching Jackson Dart because I think Jackson Dart is the future for the Giants. And I'm glad that

Pershin: 39:14

bro, everyone, yeah, everyone, the owner needs to fire himself and sell the team. Everyone needs to go. Yeah, man, for real. Because it's just remarkable how former giants shine everywhere else. Yes, yes. Like, come on.

Jason: 39:27

So that the, like terrible coaching. Outside of that, back to the game for the Giants, I thought, like I said, Russ Wilson is just worthless. He's a backup quarterback. He should not be starting anywhere,

Pershin: 39:38

bro. How, how do you, how do you go from your best game ever the very next week to just, what was that? The only passes he even threw more than like five yards down the field were these YOLO balls that were like just drifting up in the air and just, oh my God, just giving so much time for

Jason: 39:57

the Super Moon.

Pershin: 39:58

There was just so much. There was just so much time for the, the defenders to just go run. Over to the ball and make a play on it. It was like, bro, what? I mean, it was, it, it basically w it looked to me like every single pass that he threw more than like five yards was like this end of the game Hail Mary style. I hope one of my guys comes down with it. You know what I mean? Like the, and I, I'm like, bro, what are we doing? You, if you just gonna throw Yolo balls the whole time, put Ja Jamis in there,

Jason: 40:32

he'll actually throw to his own dudes there. At least he'll be entertaining at the end, at the, at the Endgame press conference.

Pershin: 40:38

At least fantasy players will enjoy this.

Jason: 40:41

Yeah. I mean,

Pershin: 40:43

but it, I mean, it's just shocking how you could play that well one week and then the next week you're completely just falling apart. Perfect. I mean. The rust thing is, is I, I don't know what you, what you do about that because that the game he had that was so good. I mean, it, that means something I guess. But the seat's gotta be hot after, after laying that egg, you know? And the first week was basically a, a shit game too. So not, not good. Not good. And I mean, they got options. I mentioned Jameis, but of course they drafted Dart in the first round of Dbol, apparently is very enamored with Dart. I'm sure he wants an excuse to get him out there soon. So this might be it. Don't let Dbol

Jason: 41:26

touch it. I, he is just gonna make him bad. He's just gonna make him bad. It's too late, man. I want a fresh start. Fresh start. He's touched him. Yeah, but, oh, I want, say say, say Cam scab much improved this week to me. You know, 10, 10 for 60 yard yards. Six or fun is 61. To watch him playing. Yeah. He, he's, he, he, it's like he finishes every run with just like this fucking hardass hit.

Pershin: 41:55

It is, it's funny watching him play, because like even the biggest running backs in the league, like, I mean, let's say Derrick Henry, you'll, you will see him run towards the open field camp Scatter runs toward the defenders. Like he wants to hit people. He cannot wait. Yes. He's like, Adam Sandler in the water, boy.

Jason: 42:18

He just, he just wants to hit people.

Pershin: 42:20

And like, I love it, like, as a football fan, you're like, oh shit, look at this. He's smart dude. Violent right here. But, but also at the same time, you're like, bro, there's no way his career is gonna last very long like this. Right? Like, I hope it does. I'm, I'm certainly not wishing for anything, but I'm like, bro, this is,

Jason: 42:41

I don't know about, it's not sustainable, man. It's not sustainable.

Pershin: 42:44

It'll be fun while it lasts though. For

Jason: 42:46

sure. For sure. Anything else on the Giants Chiefs game?

Pershin: 42:52

No, I, I was just going to mention real quick, the, the Mahome stuff this is like the third year in a row where his sort of inaccurate ball placement is, is like worse than the previous year. I, I know we're only three games in here, but it's, it's starting to be like a little bit weird. I don't know what it is. I, I honestly think it could be that all the success so early in his career has just made him sort of like complacent, like maybe he's just bored or he's, he's just, he's lost some of that competitive edge or something. But I know that he used to be like the most consistent quarterback in the league, especially when it came to like down the field accuracy. And now we're, we're at a place where you just expect that when he throws a ball. Intermediate to deep. It might be off five yards one way or the other. It might be a dart that's like, woo, right on the numbers. Beautiful. Or, but it's just so inconsistent that it's like, I think it's time to admit that like Mahomes isn't actually playing like Mahomes anymore. Like I, like, I'm sure he still has that capability, but I mean, that's just not the guy that we're seeing anymore. And it's already been like a dip in performance two years in a row. And then this year it's like, it seems really obvious that he, there's just so many bad passes to guys wide open. It's not normal to see that from a guy that we expect to be the best of.

Jason: 44:33

Yeah. Watch out. Chief Sand. That was, that was tough to hear. Alright. Moving on to Ravens versus the Lions. Whew. What a game man. What a freaking game that was. Let me tell you. Raven's got a problem. They're as talented as they are. They got a problem. And it's a Derrick Henry problem. This man has fumbled in all three games this season. He, he need to get, he needs to hold onto that ball. I need him carrying the ball. Nah. To and from work every day around the house. And I need everybody trying to get it out of them. And then their defense, you're on double restrictions second to last in the league. Awful. Awful. And I also think they got a O line issue. I mean, Lamar got sacked seven times in this game. You know, the thing is, is they still didn't look terrible. But to win a Super Bowl, you've, you've gotta have all your X's crossed, the T's crossed and your I's dotted. And all your P's and your S's and your,

Pershin: 45:36

yeah.

Jason: 45:37

All of that stuff. You gotta have'em all cross

Pershin: 45:38

them Ps cross them. Yeah. Won's

Jason: 45:43

and but anyway, nonetheless, I needed this game to win me two fantasy leagues, Mark Andrews garbage touchdown, put me over the top in one league and Jamir Gibbs dominating in the, well, not just Jamir, but the whole run game dominating Jamir Gibbs being one of those players, getting two touchdowns you know, really pushed me over the top. So, you know, it turned out being a good week. Lions look pretty good on offense, so seems they're okay. You know, with the new coordinator, you know, not missing Ben Johnson a lot. And to me it just looked like the Ravens got bullied on the defensive line. And, and ultimately that's, that's what won the game was the Lion's ability to just run the game, run the ball, and Jar Goff didn't have to do a whole lot. I mean, he still did work, but he just didn't have to do a whole lot. So what are your thoughts?

Pershin: 46:39

So it, it, it looked to me like what happened was once the what's the lines realized, like, oh, we're really pushing around their defensive line. Like we're, we're, we got the best of this matchup, you know, the trench war. I think once they realized that, they were like, fuck it. We'll just keep running it until they can just,

Jason: 47:02

yeah. They had the 12 minute drive at the second quarter that was just run, run, run.

Pershin: 47:09

Yeah, and I think basically what happened was the, the Ravens never did find a solution. Like they, they just got pushed around that entire second half of that game because the, the lines were like, okay, well, we will keep running it until they stop us. And they just never did. In fact, it got worse. They, they started ripping off 70 yard plays with David Montgomery. I mean, that's not a shot at David Montgomery, but it's just. Like, bro, that shouldn't be happening. He's not a speed demon type of guy like that. You guys, you guys are just getting dominated and open. You know, they're, they're pushing you around and it, so you know, you, you pretty much already had, had mentioned that, but I just thought that was the big factor in the game. I thought that the, the pressure that the lines were able to put was more than I expected. Also, like, I think that pass rush finally for the first time this year came alive. Like Jack Campbell was surprisingly like in pursuit of you know, putting pressure on Lamar a lot. And then of course Aiden Hutchinson was having a prime Aiden Hutchinson game. Yeah. So that, that was you know, I think good news for the lines going forward because the first couple weeks it really seemed like maybe they're a decent offensive team, but the defense is a little suspect. But even though the Ravens did put up points, I felt like the, the lines defense came to play a little more.

Jason: 48:41

Yeah, I agree on this one. I agree. Not that I'm worried about or concerned that the Ravens will continue on this, but just thought they, they got a lot to clean up if, if they wanna win a Super Bowl.

Pershin: 48:52

Yeah. I, I really like your Derrick Henry take actually, because I think he has fumbled in three straight games or all three the of the, yes. I mean, as good as he is. Those, those

Jason: 49:06

turn, there's like some stat somebody posted too about it, like first player to do that off of some other thing. I don't know. But moving on to Jets in the Buccaneers. Now I know the jets are oh and three, but this was an absolute wild ending to a game. I mean, pretty much the whole first half was pretty boring in this game. A lot of field goals. But the ending to me was incredible. You know, the jets was block of field goal and then scoop and score. Aaron Glen's high stepping down the sideline and the whole jets are going nuts.

Pershin: 49:45

He thought he won, bro. He did. He did. He did. He was so sure did

Jason: 49:48

too.

Pershin: 49:49

He was so sure you don't dance like that unless you're Sure.

Jason: 49:56

And then Baker, baker, touchdown Baker ruined it for him, came back, drove back down, and got him in range to kick a field goal for the game winner. Now the, you know, Tyrone Taylor did okay. He was serviceable. I gotta tell you, man, Ty got priest, Brie Hall is, he had an okay game, but I'm gonna need homeboy to not be the third player in rushing on the list. You know, I'm glad that he's catching ball. Oh damn. But Tyrone Taylor and B Braylon and Allen having more rush yards than him while he has the most carries is embarrassing to me.

Pershin: 50:42

Yeah, that's not good.

Jason: 50:43

So Bries Hall's kind of making me nervous.

Pershin: 50:47

Ty. Yeah. Tyron Taylor is like 40 or something. Trust me. As a 40 something, that's a bad thing. And then also Braylin Allen is just a big bruiser type, like, come on. Yeah. So. He, he should be like a short, short yardage specialist. Neither one of those guys should ever have more rushing yards than Brie Hall. No, I, I, I wanna say he looked really good in the first game, but then both of the last two games have been like,

Jason: 51:18

eh, yeah. And then, but on the other side of the coin, a Mecca. Buca looked, he looked pretty good. Looks like he's ready to, to make that jump now that Mike Evans is sidelined for who knows how long, but. You know, that's nice to see.

Pershin: 51:33

Yeah, it's interesting because they, they're expecting Chris Godman to come back, if not this week, then next week. So it's certainly unfortunate for Evans to get injured, but it, itll be interesting to see, like, I think I, Buca actually just slides to that X role. Yeah. And then Chris Godwin goes into the slot, so it'll be interesting to see if he's ready to take on that role as well. I think he's looked good. First three games of his career, he's kind of hit the ground running which is amazing and interesting to see where it goes from here.

Jason: 52:12

Yeah. Completely agree with that. Moving to your game Chargers versus Broncos. Oh God. Well, I just gotta tell you man. It is what a, what a time it is Listening to a game called by Kevin Harlan. Just one of the greats, man. I, I think I've said that before on this podcast, but every time I listen to his call, man, it just sounds like this is how a football game should be called. And this is what it should sound like. Like it's just he does have a, doesn't he? Well, like, I love on the radio, in the car, you can hear it. It's just, man, it's, it's a thing of beauty. But anyway you know this again, the Broncos gave the game away here. They could be, they could be three and Oh, JK Dobbins was, was a great pickup. He's proven. He's proven. He's a beast still. Yeah.

Pershin: 53:08

Revenge game. Talk about play playing with some passion out out there. You did Z 0% Clemson on Sunday, bro. He was ready to fucking fight, bro.

Jason: 53:19

Him and Corless Sutton, man, we had a, my favorite player on the Broncos team all of a sudden just out there doing his thing. Yeah, well,

Pershin: 53:28

Sutton was burning his, his fucking defenders all game. Yeah. Just fucking burning them.

Jason: 53:35

Yeah, man, I mean, I, I thought I don't, Bo Nicks is playing well. I don't, I don't see a problem with the Broncos. I just think they had just two unfortunate games and, and I think they're, they're trending up, in my opinion. You, you know, Bo Nicks isn't really having a, so far, not really having a sophomore slump, if you will. Like, I mean, he came out, he, he, you know, he's not throwing the ball a ton, but. You know, he's doing well. You know, I'm not mad about it. He's not turning the ball over. So I, I like what the Broncos are doing. As far as the chargers, yeah, he, go ahead.

Pershin: 54:13

He he's, he's been more inconsistent than I was hoping for. He was actually, I think the second or the third most accurate quarterback the second half of last season after he kind of,

Jason: 54:27

right.

Pershin: 54:28

Calm down, got the rookie sort of jitters out and he wasn't playing. So I guess you could say anxious, nervous, fidgety, like, but then to start the season, he's basically gone back to that. Like sometimes it seems like he's too excited back there and he's, he's throwing the ball. He's leading the receivers too much. And, and I mean he had mi Yeah. Wide open. Yeah, open, like wide open. Two different times where it's like he's just sailing and y you just hate to see it'cause you're like, man, huge play.

Jason: 55:01

Ah, damn. Yeah. But you can see the future, you know, and it's, you can see it like, oh man. Yeah. It's not the

Pershin: 55:05

end of the world. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the end of the world. He's still a young player that I'm okay with it. But yeah, I really wish we would've won these last two games.

Jason: 55:18

Yeah. Yeah. What I liked on the charger side Omar and Hampton, he, he had an excellent game. 70 yards on the ground, 59 yards in the air. You know, Justin, Justin Herbert, I mean, it's, it is mind blowing that he threw the ball 47 times in this game for 300 yards through an interception, and they still had 28 carries. Like, that's just a ridiculous amount of plays.

Pershin: 55:46

Dude, Justin Herbert has been on fire to start the season. Like it's not a three game season, but it, if it were a three game season, I'd be voting for him for empty Yeah.

Jason: 55:58

Chargers look good, man. You, you know, it, it is a, it's no surprise that the Chargers would've won this game, but it's surprising that how they won it like this, you know, this could have gone either way, so. You know, great game. What are you,

Pershin: 56:14

how's about old man? Old old man, Keenan Allen leading the team in Targets over the first three weeks. Yeah. That's incredible. Damn. That's incredible. I, I honestly thought he'd be like the third option in the passing game or something. Maybe he'd be splitting time with Trey Harris and they're like, no, you're just, you're actually just the guy. Yeah, you're the team. I'm like, you're, we're moving you all around the formation and shit. I'm like, wow. Ke and to be fair, he looks good. He doesn't even look 85 or whatever he is. Like, I'm just, I'm just shocked and impressed with Keenan Allen. Like

Jason: 56:52

a hundred

Pershin: 56:53

percent. He's the Frank Gore of wide receivers right now.

Jason: 56:58

Indeed, man. And in the final game we're gonna discuss another field goal game.'cause as I said this, this week is field goals in fourth quarters, 49 ERs versus Cardinals. I, it pains me to say that the 49 ERs are three and Oh, I cannot stand it. And I, I just can't help but think that Marvin Harrison, Jr. With Three Drops is what caused them to lose this game,

Pershin: 57:30

bro. This was a bad game for Marmon. Yeah. Oh yeah. I know,

Jason: 57:35

I noticed. Ugh. But on the, you know, Trey Benson, he looked pretty good. And now that James Connor is, you know, gonna be out for some time

Pershin: 57:49

ripping peace season, ending ankle surgery. Oh,

Jason: 57:53

it's so

Pershin: 57:54

many that, that's rough at that age. Yeah, that is rough At that age. I mean, the

Jason: 57:59

tire,

Pershin: 58:00

yikes.

Jason: 58:01

You know, Trey McBride did his thing happy that I traded for him, and it just kind of looked like. The Cardinals had the crucial turnover in the fourth quarter with Kal Campbell getting that safety off the penalty in the end zone. And it, you know, the 49 ERs just hung around and, and were able to, you know, have a Ricky Para saw coming out party and, and get the field goal to win the game. CMC had a CMC game, you know, I mean, this was a, to me this was a grind mount San Francisco game. What do you think?

Pershin: 58:40

Yeah, I mean, George Kittle out obviously Brandon Iuk is still out. Juwan Jennings out. I think they did the smart thing, which is try to lean on CMC, just get him as much touches as possible and see if he can make some plays. He made several really good plays. He also got stuffed the, in the back of the, you know, the backfield several times. I, I think, yeah, they couldn't run the ball for shit. The, the, the Cardinals definitely came prepared for the CMC game plan. Mm-hmm. But I, I think that the, the 49 ERs did pretty well with what they had to work with there. Really just unfortunate situation for James Connor. But at the same time, really great opportunity opens up for Tre Benson. He was low-key actually already eating into the, the Connor work share there as a rookie. You know, really just hardly got onto the field, was actually getting kind of third string by Amari di Marcado. And now this year he's been taking on a bigger role, something like a, a. You know, 55, 45 sort of split there and now that Connor's gone, you gotta think that he's gonna be like a 75, 80% touch guy in that backfield. And so huge arrow up for Trey Benson, and he's a guy who's still pretty young. I think if you do play in dynasty leagues, like, you know, Strang and I do, I think that it makes a lot of sense to be really aggressive with a player like Trey Benson. Just go ahead and do like what some people would say is like a overpay and there's a really good chance that not only does he do well this season, but that he's just the guy there for another two or three seasons, maybe even plays himself into a nice extension or something. But for the time being, future looks really bright for him.

Jason: 1:00:38

Yeah, a hundred percent man. Anything else you had for week three that you wanted to discuss before we. Just move on to some look, take a look forward to week four.

Pershin: 1:00:52

No, just wanna say that unfortunately, week three is kind of like the big injury. Yes. Week. Lot of injuries. Luckily a lot of these ended up being not as bad as we thought. CD lambs actually day to day looks like. Jaden Daniels may return next week, if not this coming week. And so some, some of these, some of these we kind of dodged a bullet on, but obviously najee, iss not coming back, Connor's not coming back. Big opportunities for next man up some of these young guns to see what they got. And I, I think that we should be on the lookout for these guys in these new roles.

Jason: 1:01:34

Alright, so moving on to week four games that I'm looking forward to. Our packers versus cowboys, obviously for obvious reasons'cause I'm a Packers and we need a bounce back game, but the spread there is six and a half with the total of 47 and a half over under. And this is, you know, the Micro Parsons revenge game. He said he is gonna be sad that he has to sack Dak Prescott. So that'll be an interesting game. Go ahead.

Pershin: 1:02:05

Do you think he's really sad? I think he's gonna be quite fucking happy to sect act as many times possible. Oh

Jason: 1:02:11

yeah, he's gonna be happy. That motherfucker probably lost his now so many games, dude. Come on man. We hate America's team. And then I'm also looking forward to the Colts versus the Rams tooth. Well, a three and O team versus a two in one team. Rams probably should be three and o but nonetheless, it'll, you know, be a good to see if Daniel, Brian Mack Jones can continue his his season and see what the Rams can do. They're a three and a half point favorite total over under 49 and a half. The

Pershin: 1:02:49

Rams are three and a half points over Rams. They're playing

Jason: 1:02:51

at home, probably the home.

Pershin: 1:02:53

I mean, I, I kind of like the Colts to at least cover that three and a half points. I mean, ooh, I could see the Colts winning outright, but even, even if they don't win, you gotta think it's gonna be a close game and maybe a field goal will decide this game. Yeah. So I like the getting that extra half off that another

Jason: 1:03:12

field goal game, huh? On that three there predicting another field goal, another tight game. I totally, I could totally see that. I'm also looking at they Giants, chargers just because. Dart first game chargers are three and oh looking pretty decent. So the, you know, you get throw it to the wolves right off the rip.

Pershin: 1:03:33

Hey, you wanna watch as many Scoo games as you can until he hits, right? Yeah. Yourself. I'm telling you, it's fun, I'm telling you.

Jason: 1:03:42

And then chiefs versus Ravens. You know, I don't think I need to say why I wanna watch that game. That's gonna be a great game. Baltimore's a two and a half point favorite on the road and a total of 48 and a half over under, so.

Pershin: 1:04:00

Cool dude. I, I feel like the Chiefs versus Raven Games, the past like four or five years have all been epic. Yeah, they've been so good. I mean, many of them, I, well, at least a couple of them have been at the playoffs, but still, just those, those games are just always great. Some could say rule changing. I expect that the

Jason: 1:04:24

rule

Pershin: 1:04:24

changing grade rule check, some could say that. Yeah. Rule changing grade, you know, things are intense anytime you change rules about it. Yeah. I, I think it, it's definitely going to be billed as, you know, Lamar versus Mahomes, but I think in reality it's, it's, it's more so gonna be like defensive. Like is, is the chief's defense going to be able to suppress the Ravens? My guess is that they're gonna be hit and miss, however. The, the chief's offense might be mostly Miss, which is like, I definitely like the Ravens on this one.

Jason: 1:05:05

Yeah. I'm feeling the Ravens here. The Chiefs just like, I, like we've said earlier, just haven't played up to the standard and despite the Ravens R one and two, which is crazy, both these teams are one and two. I just, the Ravens look more complete than the Chiefs, and so I'll take the Ravens as well.

Pershin: 1:05:28

Yeah. I'm just so underwhelmed with the Chiefs pass catchers. I know we've said this for like two or three seasons in a row now. Keep it going. You know, they finally, they finally hit on a couple draft picks and whether by suspensions or. By Mahomes or Travis Kelsey just taking these guys out. Like they're, they're not in the game. They're not available. So it, when you're working with this, this kind of unit and a disappointing offensive line on top of it, you really need someone like Patrick Mahomes to, you know, put on the Cape. But since Mahomes is not Mahomes anymore, I'm not like Steve Farm Mahomes. I'm going, I'm going with the Ravens.

Jason: 1:06:14

He's too busy being, you know, being there, what everyone calls. And the Monday night games are kind of a stinker. Huh? Jets versus Dolphins, boo. Bengals versus Broncos. I mean, the Bengals would be a better game if Joe Burrow was playing, but Jake Browning. But that's all I got, man. Anything you're looking forward to next week before we wrap this puppy up?

Pershin: 1:06:42

I did. No, I, I think you actually covered it. The, the, those are the games that are mostly on my radar as well.

Jason: 1:06:49

Yeah. Last week of full rosters. Bi-week start next week, the week after. So fantasy footballers, you know, I hope you're having a better season than I am. I'm oh, and three in one league, one in five, because the median beats me every week. And two in one, two in, one, in another league. So, you know, fingers

Pershin: 1:07:11

crossed. Hey, there you go. You, you still got some hope.

Jason: 1:07:15

Yeah, man. You know, barely squeak that one out. Thank you, Mark Andrews. But, you know, big turnaround from Bear Force one B from the 8, 4, 3, you know, shout out man. Man. Did not, yeah. Shout out Brandon. Did he win a single game last year or did he o did he go over or He, did he win one?

Pershin: 1:07:34

I, I think technically he did against the media, like one or two, but it was, it was pretty rough By the end of it, it was, it was like two and 30 or something ridiculous

Jason: 1:07:45

like that. Yeah. So to turn around and goes six and Oh, right out the gate. Whew. Yeah.

Pershin: 1:07:50

Well, the, I, I think that's what happens when you got all your eggs in the bear basket and then they go and get Ben Johnson. It's like, Hey, now all of a sudden, or they finally play or finally

Jason: 1:08:01

played one good game.

Pershin: 1:08:04

Yeah. And I also helped him too, inadvertently, much more than I thought I would. I, I traded him Avante Williams and Tyrone Tracy for a second preseason just before the season kicked off. And then it, it turns out Avante Williams is like. Really good at football all of a sudden. So I guess I'm part of the problem too now. I'm, I'm chasing him also. I think he's number one and I'm number four. Yeah. Well, so I don't know. All, all of my fantasy leagues are basically like in the middle. That team is in

Jason: 1:08:39

Campbell's, seven people on ir. It's just,

Pershin: 1:08:44

oh, yeah.

Jason: 1:08:45

It's tough.

Pershin: 1:08:46

Yeah. I, I have actually gotten lucky in that league with the, the, the IR is not too, too bad yet. Yeah.

Jason: 1:08:53

Quarterback plays, you never know what you're gonna get. It's a box of chocolates and, you know, breeze Hall, you know, get under 10 points every week is just a blast.

Pershin: 1:09:04

Okay. Man, I, I feel like Brie Hall should be one of the safest guys that has like one of the best floors because he should be getting a lot of usage in the pass game too. And I just feel like they're just, they're actually not using him as much as they should. Right. And that's why they're losing. You would think, you would think like when you got Garrett Wilson and then like Waddle, Alan Lazar would still, that you would pass on the ball

Jason: 1:09:29

to fucking Alan Lazar in the end zone.

Pershin: 1:09:33

You think that they would wanna pass the Brie Hall a lot and they're just not, I mean they are, but not that much, you know? So, I don't know.

Jason: 1:09:42

Anyway, that's all we got this week. Can't wait to get to week four, hopefully for another packer in a Bronco win and see what Clemson can do to shake it all out. So as always, you can hit us up on Threads, blue Sky, Instagram, all the socials Pine Pony podcast. And. That's all we got. Adios,

1:10:08

adios.