Week 8....Feelin Great

Welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony Podcast! In this episode, we discuss our week eight wins in fantasy football and talk about the ups and downs of managing our fantasy teams. Listen in as we share stories about Joshua's victories across all five of his leagues and insight into strategic player pickups. We also break down the NCAA games from week nineFinally, we cover the MLS playoffs and MLB World Series, rounding out this episode with a fun chat about Halloween celebrations in Costa Rica. Join us for a jam-packed episode of sports updates and engaging discussions!

Chapters

• 0:29 Fantasy Football
• 4:25 College Football Week 9
• 11:05 MLS Playoffs
• 15:21 World Series
• 17:24 NFL News and Notes
• 34:20 Packers v Steelers
• 55:30 Broncos v Cowboys

Transcript

Jason: 0:12

Welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony Podcast. As always, you got me the OG, hanging out with my boy, the fantasy uncle, Mr. Joshua Persian. What's happening?

Pershin: 0:25

Howdy, howdy. Glad to be back. Had a, a nice week eight where I actually won and all five of my fantasy leagues, so Wow. Yeah, I know. Sometimes the things just bounce your way. I was not feeling good about it. I had so many players on by or. Broken. Who does it? Who does

Jason: 0:49

it?

Pershin: 0:50

I, I was just picking guys up off the waiver wire and just crossing the fingers and it just worked out for me. So I'll take it. You

Jason: 0:57

That's good, man. That's good. Yeah. Well, how was your week? It was good. It was good. I'll tell you about it. Let's start the show. So yeah, my week eight man, fantasy wise lost two of 3, 1 1 in our league which was surprising considering I had, I think two guys with zero points. But Oh

Pershin: 1:29

wow.

Jason: 1:31

Yeah, it was, it was bad. I had, but I had two other guys with 40 points, so that'll do it for you. So it's like, and then, you know, I took some notes from the fantasy uncle and just dropped, dropped some old dudes. And just picked up some guys with potential. And funny enough, one of'em got seven points, but he was on the bench. I didn't need'em, but still,

Pershin: 1:58

hell yeah.

Jason: 1:58

So love it. You know, getting ready for the next season. My trade that I went through, it seems like it's doing okay. Saquon Barkley, you know, lit it up first week. Let's see, who else did I get? Why, why am I, why am I blanking? Oh, crystal Lave was getting a lot of catches. He was in double points. Jordan Addison was catching the ball a lot. I mean, that'll change with JJ McCarthy. But yeah, the only downside was Jordan Mason, which I lost by so much. It didn't even matter that I had Vidal on the bench with 21 points, I still would've lost. So,

Pershin: 2:41

yeah, man, Dale's been killing it.

Jason: 2:44

Yeah. Well he is only gonna keep killing it now that he's like the only back they have.

Pershin: 2:50

Yeah, I think still, it's still going to be like three or four weeks before am Omar and Hampton returns. So, I mean, that's a lot, that's a big chunk of the season that Vidal is gonna be the guy. And what's crazy is, you know, we started the season with too many starting backs on the Chargers, and now, now we, we just got, we got the practice squad call up and Yeah. You know, to his credit, he looks good, you know? Yeah. I don't think it's necessarily just been oh, the offensive is so good. The offensive line is so great. I mean, they lost their two best offensive linemen. It's not like they're opening up epic holes for'em or whatever. He's, he's pretty good.

Jason: 3:34

Yeah, I agree. I agree, man. I like it, like it anyway, so, you know, just, just keep it afloat here. In fantasy world, doing so bad in one league, I barely pay attention. You know,'cause it's a redraft every year and I'm likely gonna be last, so.

Pershin: 3:52

Yeah. I don't miss those days. That, that, that's the, I mean, it's a

Jason: 3:55

keeper. It's a keeper, but I already picked up. Oh, okay. This is the one where I picked up somebody dropped Malik Neighbors'cause he was in IR and my team is doing so bad. Oh, this is

Pershin: 4:06

that one

Jason: 4:07

that I just picked him up and just, just shoved him on my bench just to, because my, I'm not gonna win. So I might as well prepare for next season. You're gonna be pretty

Pershin: 4:15

happy about that next August. Yeah. I'll

Jason: 4:17

be able to draft Malik neighbors in like the 15th round. Hell yeah. Be real nice. Hell yeah. Oh yeah. And so nonetheless, let's, let's get into NCAA last week, week nine. Some games, some good games. You know, Texas a and m absolutely beat the, the crap outta LSU. So that prompted LSU to say to Brian Kelly that they were gonna, they were gonna part ways with him. So they're in talks of how that can be done. And I think he has a$65 million buyout

Pershin: 4:56

Nowadays. You, you don't just negotiate joining the team, you negotiate leaving the team, leaving the team. That's like, yeah,

Jason: 5:05

that's wild. But again, this, this is the conversation that we had last time. So part of his buyout is he gets 65 million unless he signs with another team, and then they'll pay a certain amount. Right. Well, he could sign for that team for a dollar.

Pershin: 5:27

Right.

Jason: 5:28

You know, so. We will see what happens. Alabama had a little bit of a scare against South Carolina, but ultimately came out on top Alabama looking good, man, looking real good. Seven and one five and oh in the SEC, whereas South Carolina's one and five in the SEC in three and five overall. Whew. They're saying Nick who the stinker, what stinker. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then, you know, Georgia Tech eight and Oh, Georgia Tech. Wow. An incredible, the parody that we have.

Pershin: 6:05

Yeah. I mean, Georgia Tech wasn't even ranked preseason, right? They weren't expecting this type of no,

Jason: 6:11

they're number seven. No. Yeah, they are. Well, they were number seven at the, at the time of this game, whereas, let's see. They're number eight. They drop, they somehow they dropped the spot, so Wow. Whatever rankings. Yeah. Great Rankings I calling GaN on that. Take seriously man. Yeah. So let's see what, what are they? They're eight and eight in the co top 25 but seven in the Coaches bowl. Shana Ole Miss. It's ole Miss that flips with them. It's crazy. Wow. So

Pershin: 6:53

I guess Ole Miss must have had a pretty impressive win.

Jason: 6:57

Well, let me tell you about it. They played Oklahoma number 13, ranked Oklahoma and they beat'em 34 26. So,

Pershin: 7:05

okay. I guess I could see then.

Jason: 7:08

Yep.

Pershin: 7:09

Hey

Jason: 7:09

Vanderbilt. I'll put the

Pershin: 7:10

pitchfork back away.

Jason: 7:13

The best team in the SEC Vanderbilt one, again, 17 to 10 beat 15th ranks Missouri. There's seven to one, three and one in the SEC.

Pershin: 7:21

Oh, nice. Vandy looks more and more real each week, right? I mean,

Jason: 7:26

yeah. BYU continues their undefeated ways. 8 0 41 to 27 on Iowa State and then Virginia won a close one against UNC. They beat'em 17 to 16, Virginia seven to one. Look at that. All these teams sneaking up AA number 18, south Florida did lose so that to unranked Memphis, but Memphis is seven in one as well, so you know, pretty solid team.

Pershin: 8:00

Yeah. Nice.

Jason: 8:02

Yeah, man, that was, that was, you know, Clemson did, Clemson was off this week, so I didn't, I didn't really watch football. That's good. We had That's

Pershin: 8:10

good. You, you had a little bit less to tilt about, right?

Jason: 8:13

Yeah, man. And you know, we had to we had to buy some Halloween stuff which is impossible to find in Costa Rica.'cause they don't celebrate Halloween. They celebrate Dia de less mortas. Okay. So Day of the Dead. Well, day of the Dead.

Pershin: 8:28

I'm sure that could be fun, but man, that that'd be hard. No, no. Halloween. I love Halloween, man.

Jason: 8:34

Well, we're, we're making do, man. We got a nice little scavenger hunt that we're playing for the kids at the school and there's like a, a party going on there. And then we're gonna take him to the Dia de los Morcho celebration in Docal with friend of the Pod Smith. He'll be here.

Pershin: 8:52

That's right. Yeah, that's, that should be cool. That should be cool. Yeah. So we're all, plus you guys could you could sit with the kids and what, just put on some Halloween movies or whatever, so.

Jason: 9:02

Oh, we've already watched Hocus Pocus One and Two quite a bit. Classic. One of my favorite, yeah. One of my favorite movies, Vince. So good. You

Pershin: 9:10

know, I've never even seen the second one. Is the second one pretty good too?

Jason: 9:13

It's, as an adult it's cheesy, but Okay. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Like, I watch it. I have no problem watching it again and again. But the first one is, is Personal Classic is so good. Yeah, it's so good. But nonetheless, so the the games we got to look forward to on next week's college football, or this week, Cummins College football slate. Maybe we can, might see an upset out of Penn State versus Ohio State. I don't know. Vandy plays Texas. That'll be good.

Pershin: 9:51

Ooh, there we go.

Jason: 9:53

Yeah,

Pershin: 9:54

let's go Commodore.

Jason: 9:56

And then we got Georgia, Florida, the biggest cocktail party, I believe. I think that's what they call that game. It's the biggest cocktail party in the southeast or some, some dumb like that. Hey, South Carolina Ole Miss, upset opportunity there for South Carolina. Ole Miss. This could be a trap game for them. Oklahoma, Tennessee. I mean, that should be a decent game, but neither one of them are looking at playoffs in my opinion. So, yeah, man, I mean, you know, next week. Ho-hum. I mean, it's weird not even seeing Clemson on the list here of top 25 games. It's been so long since, since that's been a thing.

Pershin: 10:46

Yeah, I mean it's, it's,

Jason: 10:49

they play Duke for what it's worth.

Pershin: 10:52

Okay. Well beat Duke and you know, that's at least start step in the right direction.

Jason: 11:03

Yeah. Yeah. We'll see what happens. All right, so then MLS had playoffs this week or starting, not started, but again, Charlotte played just, just tonight and they lost to a very terrible, oh no. Terrible goal. And then, I mean, the whole rest of weekend. And this was the

Pershin: 11:23

first game?

Jason: 11:24

Yeah, first game. So this was at home. It was a terrible goal. I didn't think it was just a defensive lapse in judgment. And then the rest of the game was us just beating him down one kick right after the next, the I hate N-Y-C-F-C for multiple reasons. One, their dirty players the entire game, anytime the team would get like a, a a breakaway, they would foul. They had five yellow cards in the second half.

Pershin: 11:57

Oh, wow.

Jason: 11:58

Yeah. And they've got a reputation for this kind of shit. I don't know that they have a reputation for it, but I hate it. I don't like it. It seems like they, that's what their style is and things got chippy at the end and so, well, Charlotte FC had Zaha out Will Wilford Zaha because he got a red card last game. So they, he was suspended for, that's right. For this game's. So I think that really hurt. And then. Yeah, just the, the cheap, cheap plays by the other team. And then now we gotta go play at their home. Which for those of you that might not know, they play at Yankee Stadium. Ugh. And so the field dimensions are like their narrower, it's a narrower field and it's shorter.

Pershin: 12:46

Oh, wow.

Jason: 12:47

Yeah. So it's just a piece of shit field to play on for soccer. You would think

Pershin: 12:51

if you had to change the dimensions, then they just would not allow you to play at that venue.

Jason: 12:56

Well, you're, that's wild. It's like baseball kind of in a way you're allowed Oh, there's a certain range in which you're allowed to be in. Yeah. It's not like big, but still, I, I guess they, they're supposed to be getting their own digs, but I don't know. Get your own soccer stadium. N-Y-C-F-C. Bunch of bums. You know what I mean, man. So anyway. Yeah, we lost yeah, we looked good in that second half though. Just just couldn't, just, couldn't come away with a win. Let me see what else is trying to find the knife, the playoff bracket.

Pershin: 13:37

I'm already patting you. Boy, this cat is so upset that I'm talking to someone else right now. He's like, how dare you? He has pushed the keyboard all the way aside and forced me to, I'm like, I'm already petting you. And he's like, he's like, why are you doing other things right now? I'm like, oh my goodness.

Jason: 13:55

All right, so let's take a look at the bracket. So we got Chicago Fire leading the Philadelphia Union or the Philadelphia Union leading the Chicago Fire one zero N-Y-C-F-C leading Charlotte one Zero. Miami leading Nashville one Zero and Cincinnati leading Columbus one Zero on the east. And then on the west you got San Diego leading Portland one Zero, Minnesota leading Seattle One Zero and Vancouver, leading Dallas one Zero, and then LAFC and Austin play tomorrow night. So, and then next games are on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, probably Tuesday. So yeah, man, looks like they got a

Pershin: 14:44

bunch of a whole bunch of larger markets in there. I guess. Austin, that's a, that's a smaller one. So

Jason: 14:51

I feel like Austin's pretty big though, is it? It could be big. I feel like it would be bigger than Charlotte. I've never actually been there. I just think everything is, is it everything bigger in Texas?

Pershin: 15:07

Allegedly. It could be allegedly. I've always thought of Austin as a, like a smaller place, but I've never actually been there. I, I could be wrong.

Jason: 15:19

Could be. I don't know. Alright, well then we got the MLB, we got the World Series series is tied. Two, two Blue Jays tied it up tonight with a win on game four, six to two last night's game. Went into 18 innings. You know, I got a fun fact.

Pershin: 15:38

Holy Week guacamole did.

Jason: 15:39

Yeah.

Pershin: 15:40

How long was that? How many hours?

Jason: 15:43

It was a long game. I think people went to bed at like two, two in the morning. Yeah. You want to, you want to hear a fun fact for this game?

Pershin: 15:55

I

Jason: 15:55

do. So. There have only been two 18 inning games in the World Series history. Can you take a guess at who sang the national anthem at Both.

Pershin: 16:11

Oh, there's one person that sang at both of those.

Jason: 16:14

Yes. Same person.

Pershin: 16:17

I mean, do I get years or, or decades of least. I will give you, I

Jason: 16:21

will give you genre and years. Okay. Country music, 2018 in obviously 2025 I, oh.

Pershin: 16:39

I'm an old man who actually knows less about country music nowadays than I used to. Let's see. This guy is well known.

Jason: 16:44

He's well known. Let's see. Is it Aldean? Oh, no. Not even close. It's not close in letters. Close in letters. It's Brad Paisley.

Pershin: 16:57

Oh, okay.

Jason: 16:59

He sang the national anthem at both times. The World Series in history went 18 innings. Isn't that crazy?

Pershin: 17:10

It's his fault. Clearly.

Jason: 17:11

Yeah. Yeah. If, I mean, if you won an 18 inning World Series game, you call up Brad Paisley, say, Hey man, we need some exciting shit to happen in the World Series. Alright. And then let's, let's, let's move on over to the NFL man. Camp Scoo Done for the season, right?

Pershin: 17:33

Yeah, yeah. Scatter booboo, scattered ankle. What, how, whatever you wanna call it. Yeah. Really rough. I think they're saying it's a lo dislocation of the ankle and, and a, a break in, in one of the bones. But I tell you, looking at it, it, it was just flat out facing the wrong direction. I was like, wow, I don't know what the diagnosis is gonna be, but immediately, you know, he's not playing again this season. Like, it's like,

Jason: 18:06

yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I was like, pretty, bro. The guy's a maniac

Pershin: 18:10

though. He was trying to get his teammates to help him up so he could like walk. Yeah, I saw that. I saw walk up. I'm like, I'm like, bro, no. Sit your ass down. Like you don't need to be a tough guy right now. We get it, we get it. You got heart that you don't need to prove anything, man. Just, just, it sucks though, because he's, he's a likable guy. I, I was saying the past few weeks, like, go watch these camp Scoo football games while he's still around because he plays in a way where you don't expect him to stay healthy very long. And to be fair, I don't think this is usually the type of injury that comes from like hard hitting or playing reckless or anything. I think this was just bad luck, I think.

Jason: 18:57

No, he just, la I think he just landed on it wrong.'cause he, that's all, I mean, he, he didn't even really get touched while he landed, you know? Yeah. I think this is, it's like he landed on it and rolled it at the same time.

Pershin: 19:11

Yeah, I think this can happen to any type of player for sure. Any position, whatever. Just bad luck. You know recover. Well, hopefully he comes back next season. A hundred percent. And we get to see the same maniac out there. Yeah, for sure. We want

Jason: 19:24

people who run the

Pershin: 19:25

walls. Yeah, we, we really do. I mean, I don't can Kool Aid? I don't know if I would KO

Jason: 19:30

Aid Can Kool-Aid sign him to just run through walls for commercials?

Pershin: 19:36

Oh, that honestly, not a bad idea. Not a

Jason: 19:39

bad idea. Kool-Aid. You heard it here first? Call me.

Pershin: 19:43

Yeah. We get

Jason: 19:43

five three four two five zero.

Pershin: 19:45

Yeah.

Jason: 19:46

Yeah. Alright. And then another injury season ending injury news. Carson Wi done. It's JJ McCarthy time or, or no one at all in Minnesota like. So,

Pershin: 20:04

yeah, so it comes out that he played the last two and a half games with the injury, so got that dog in him. Yeah, I was thinking, man, his play is really bad. Like, so it's really

Jason: 20:23

bad, but is that a good thing for JJ McCarthy or a bad thing like that? He was so bad that he couldn't even get on the field for an injured Carson wi.

Pershin: 20:33

Yeah. Well that, that's the crazy thing, is like he was clearly the most injured quarterback on the roster and they still asked him to go out there. So it's like, I guess he was just taking one for the team, in which case, you know, respect, respect. But it, I don't think it says anything good about the other two. They got two rookie quarterbacks, right. That they brought onto the roster. And the thing is, with jj, it's like, I guess there's kind of an excuse there but there's also a backup named Max Brasner who's basically A-U-D-F-A. And I think that. Things must be going really horribly with him, you know what I mean? For them to be like, oh, you need surgery on your shoulder. We're, we're just gonna see if you can hack it because we have absolutely no faith in the guys we've got right now. So,

Jason: 21:29

so let me ask you this quarterback situation wise, which one would you rather be in Minnesota or Cleveland?

Pershin: 21:38

Honestly, I think I'd rather be in Cleveland just because I haven't actually invested that much in, you know, they got, they got Dylan Gabriel on the third, and they got Sha who's trash.

Jason: 21:51

Dylan Gabriel's trash right now, and

Pershin: 21:53

then they, they got shado even after that. So it's like

Jason: 21:57

so bad that he came, he got a non-start. He didn't even dress.

Pershin: 22:03

I think it's easy come next season to just draft another one and be like, okay, this is gonna be our guy now. Whereas with, with the Vikings, they, they've got a, a top 10 pick invested in McCarthy, and I think they're gonna be hesitant to give up on him. So in a way it, it's almost an easier position for the Browns to be in, you know what I mean? They're gonna be less hesitant to move on from these guys.

Jason: 22:31

Yeah. I mean, I completely agree with that. That take like in a, in a way, like, I mean, I understand you have Dylan Gray Real should Sanders, but I mean, neither place are looking good, but I like, to me, Cleveland has a better defense than Minnesota does, and I feel like True. I feel like they have just the, the weapons are about the same. Like on offense, the real, you know, quarterback wise, I just, you know, I mean, you have, I just feel like there's more talent quarterback wise. You do have Ur, you do have Dylan Gabriel, you do have Deshaun Watson, like as crappy as Deshaun has been. If he ever plays again, who knows. But there is somebody there that you're, that you can take and I mean, look at how bad Colorado is now without Shado. Like, they're awful. They're awful.

Pershin: 23:34

Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, they are.

Jason: 23:41

So, you know, there's something to that. So I just, honestly, I think you got two new quarterbacks. Fire seven Stefanki and start fresh with a new coach. Bring in a new system that is quarterback friendly. And dude, I'm, I'm not sold on Dylan and Gabriel. He's not doing anything for me. Shado will at least, at minimum, if Deshaun Watson does come back, you at least have two quarterbacks that have a similar play style. You know, they hold onto the ball and try to make the play.

Pershin: 24:22

Yeah, I, so I think pretty soon here, it, it should be enough of a opportunity for Gabriel to say, okay, we gave him a shot and Right. Flash very little. Right? So let's go ahead and put Shero out there. Even if he hasn't been looking that great in practice, put'em out there and see what happens. Because when, when the live bullets are flying, a lot of times you get a different player. And so you, you went ahead even if you didn't want to and it was really the owner that made you do it or whatever the, the point is you got on the roster, go ahead and put him out there, see if he flashes, see if there's something you wanna work with there.

Jason: 25:04

Well, yeah. And even if you don't like him and you end up wanting to trade him, you gotta give people something to see, to see if they even want him. Otherwise, no one's gonna trade for sure. I mean, there might be a few who, who, who still think that they can. Tap into that talent. But you know, a lot of teams are gonna wanna see what, what he can do to even have a great piece, nothing else.

Pershin: 25:30

It's always a good idea to keep the fan base happy. So, you know, if, if you just say, oh, we're never even gonna put this guy out there, we're never even gonna give him a shot, we're just moving on from him or whatever. A lot of the fans be frustrated with that. Right. So let them see. Yeah. Because what if let them What if? Yeah. Right. If you, if you put him out there and he is as bad as apparently some of the coaches think he is, then okay, well now at least the fans know why you're moving on.

Jason: 25:56

But then that's also the problem though that I have is like, are we really trusting Kevin Stefanski to decide on what's a good quarterback and what's not a good quarterback? Like, look at, look at how many quarterbacks he's had since he's been there. And then watch Baker Mayfield, the best quarterback they had since he's been there. And they just traded him away, even though he's the only one that's been to the playoffs, like, like in a meaningful capacity. Not a one and done, but like, he's the only one that like, like my Browns friend, he like, he never talks Browns anymore. Like when Baker Mayfield was on the Browns, you couldn't get him to shut up about the Browns. He has so much hope every year. And since Baker Mayfield's been gone, it's like he, he hates it. It's like he's not it sucks. Like I hate it for him.

Pershin: 26:54

Yeah, I, I can feel that you know, I, I've been more sort of lenient or forgiving about the situation as it's gone down for Stefanski. But I agree with you at this point. You've been beating this drum for at least a couple years now. Stefanski is part of the problem. He's got to go, and I've been, ah, I don't know if it's really him or whatever, but the thing is, like the only quarterback who's had legitimately good games over the past couple seasons has been Flaco who he hasn't won. He, he apparently has no respect for. So it's like,

Jason: 27:34

I'm to agree with you, and then you trade them to the division rival.

Pershin: 27:37

Yeah, I'm starting to agree with you. I think maybe Stefanski is the one who doesn't see good quarterback right in front of his face. You know what I mean? So, right. And not to say that Flacco's necessarily Hall of Famer elite talent or whatever, but the point is just that he keeps picking lesser guys to play over him, or Yeah. At the very least is very dismissive. So it's, I don't know.

Jason: 28:03

And since we're talking about the Browns, I want to, I wanna shout out Miles Garrett. His performance on Sunday should not go Unwavered. He did set a franchise record sacks in a game of five. He's an absolute animal. But with all that being said, you know, shout out to him also fuck Miles, Garrett, because you took the money instead of a winning team, and you lied.

Pershin: 28:27

Thank you. Thank you. I, and you lied. I feel, I feel the same exact way. First of all. Respect respect's due. It's one of the best games that we've ever seen from a defensive lineman, certainly in my lifetime. It was remarkable. He was absolutely dominant the entire game. They had absolutely no answers for him. Double teams didn't even matter. Hell of a performance. That being said, after the game, he tries to do this. Oh, nice guy. Yep. I, I'm the good guy who just cares about the teams sort of thing. He's like, oh, I'd, I'd give it all up the, the historic performance or whatever. I'd, I'd give it all up if we just won. Like, I'd get no stats at all if we just won. And I'm like, bro, you already tried doing this shit. And we, we saw right through it, you know? Yeah. In the off season. I know we already talked about this before, but it is like, he tried to say, oh, I really wanna win. I just care about winning. And so that's why I'm, I'm requesting a trade. Well, it turns out that that was just a negotiation leverage tactic. He, he doesn't care. He, he's perfectly happy to stay with the Browns as long as they're the highest bidder. And so that's what it's really about, you know?

Jason: 29:46

A hundred percent. Couldn't agree more. And then just a, just a couple of, excuse me, a couple of other news and notes on players and, and such. Not neighbors had ACL surgery today the other day saints are starting quarterback Tyler shove versus the Rams. So Spencer Rattler is probably done there. Lamar Jackson expected to start on Thursday, so that's good. Miami's gonna get their ass kicked. That'll be fun. Great. Thursday night game, Steelers. Steeler's gonna sign Marquez Valez Ling

Pershin: 30:25

reunited with his

Jason: 30:26

reunited and with the one quarterback. That

Pershin: 30:30

actually kind of made him look good on the stat sheet, right?

Jason: 30:33

Yeah, I don't mind that. I mean, hey man, you gotta, you, he's cheap as fuck, right? Yeah. You do need more wide receivers on the Steelers. Like, see what happens, you know? Pick him up, see what happens. He has a rapport with Rogers. He's not a, he's not a locker room killer, you know, so see what happens. Yeah.

Pershin: 30:56

And then, and even though he, he's at, toward the end of his career, he is still pretty fast and he, he could play that, that field stretching role, which the Steelers really kind of need right now.

Jason: 31:07

Yeah, for sure. And then the Panthers said that they're going with Dowell no more. Chuba Hubbard. They said, we're not gonna shuffle anymore. This is Rico Dodo is number one.

Pershin: 31:20

Yeah, I think they handled it well too. A, after hearing the explanation at first I thought, you know, when, when Chubb, when Chupa comes back, he really should be more like the backup, the one B, if you will, whatever. But the thing is, you know, he has a, a ton of respect from the coaching staff and from his teammates. He's literally the team captain. So I kind of out of respect for him and. Overall sort of morale. It, it was like, Hey, when you get back, we're gonna give you the opportunity in the same game, same on field environment to show that you're just as good. And it was pretty obvious Rico was the better ball carrier. And so it makes sense. Just like the coach said, he said, you know, we absolutely love Tuba here and we have a ton of respect for him, but we can't ignore your cheeks. What we've seen out of Rico,

Jason: 32:15

your cheeks, this team is cheeks and we gotta try something else. Yeah. Put that in Smith speed instead of the diplomatic way. I'll put that in Smith Smith talk. This team is buns. They need a new quarterback. Yeah. And it doesn't, but I, I can

Pershin: 32:35

understand why he handled it the way he did though. I'll, I'll share

Jason: 32:38

for sure. For sure. Good for him. And then last but not least, the Jags commented on the rumor that they're not seeking to trade Brian Thomas. I don't know why that was ever a thing, but it was so, all right. This past week was na, it was national tied end day. How about that?

Pershin: 33:02

Yeah. We only had one tied end the entire week that went over a hundred yards. Mr. Tucker crashed.

Jason: 33:11

Boy did he have a game, man. Did he have a hell of a game? Man, that was, that was a sight to see, dude. And it seemed like every time he touched the ball it was 10 plus yards down the field,

Pershin: 33:22

dude, it and running people. The cool thing about it, the cool thing about it is it's like, oh, he, he's not just like. Out routing people and like out finessing people. He's fucking beasting people, bro. Yeah. I love how a lot of Tucker Craft's game is just like, no, I'm bigger and stronger. And he, you know, he, he will just manhandle people sometimes and

Jason: 33:48

Yes,

Pershin: 33:48

I love it.

Jason: 33:49

You know, led the, so he led the team in targets. He averaged 20 yards per reception, so he caught the ball seven times. So he was nearly perfect on catches for targets. He had 143 yards, two touchdowns in his longest reception was 59 yards. So he led the team in all of those stats other than Christian Watson in yards average. But, hey, Christian Watson came back. I mean, so let's get into this game. Packers, Steelers started out. You know, it was good back and forth. Steelers kick a field goal, Packers go down and score, and then second quarter happens. And you know, classic Packers, for whatever reason, just love to shoot themselves in the foot and, and could not get off on third down penalties. There was a DK Metcalf pass that he, he was going off for, for that second quarter, and it just looked like the Steelers were gonna start running away with this game. It was 13 to seven at half, and then the Packers came out at halftime and just foot on the, there was a controversial, okay, so two things. The, the touchdown, the the PI on Green Bay to set up the touchdown drive by the Steelers in the second quarter. That needs to be looked at in the rule book because we all know Aaron Rogers can throw that ball further than he did. He threw the ball short on purpose so that the receiver would have to come back in order to get the flag. That is my theory, right? To

Pershin: 35:40

try, try to ba bait the right, the interference. Yeah.

Jason: 35:43

Right. And I, there needs to be some sort of rule or something. I don't know how to do it. You know, maybe there's a yardage, is it five yards from the receiver? Short? If it's five yards and that's too far, like he can't possibly come back and get that. I don't know whether it's, but there, there needs to be something.

Pershin: 36:04

I think for a while now they've had the rules set up to where the defender is really at a disadvantage here because they're trying to say, oh yeah, you can go for the ball. It's totally, totally fine. You could go for the ball. The only thing is you have to have your head turned around the whole time, right. So that you actually see the ball or whatever. Now, obviously if you're defending a wide receiver, you need to have your eyes 95% of the time on the receiver. You can't just turn around and look for the ball the entire time you're gonna, you're, you know, you're gonna lose the receiver the majority of the time. So it's, it's kind of one of those things where the league knows that that's not really realistic, but they don't mind because at the end of the day, they just love benefiting offense and they love more points and more points. So, and everyone

Jason: 36:55

knows, I mean, like you just said, he did not turn his head around. So everyone knows, oh, you didn't get his head around. Alright, that's gonna be pass interference. So yeah, it is what it is. Yeah. The

Pershin: 37:07

the head, the head around thing is, I get it, but it's also like, it's pretty cheap because to be a great defender is to, is to spend very little time with your head around. You know what I mean? That's just the truth. Yeah. So you're in a catch 22 where it's like, oh, you might get baited into a bad penalty if you don't turn the head around, but if you do turn the head around, you're really likely to lose your receiver. So it's like,

Jason: 37:32

yeah, whatever. It's kinda give up a touchdown or don't. And then the other terrible piece of officiating was the Packers definitely jumped offsides and they did not call it, which led to a incomplete third down and a, a turnover essentially. Which kind of from that point forward, the packers just. Didn't look back. This game was over at that point. Jordan Love went on to go 20 for 20 in consecutive passes. Tying Brett Favre for the record. He was 360 yards, 29 for 37 total three touchdowns, no interceptions, no sacks. 134 rating. I mean,

Pershin: 38:21

yeah,

Jason: 38:22

you know, he's finally got people believing Colin Coward is calling him MVP. You've got Rex Ryan on Get up in the morning talking about how great he is and how he wasn't a believer, but now he's a believer. And I just got one thing to say to all of that. It's about the time you guys jumped on the bandwagon that I've been captaining for the last four seasons. You know, tooting this guy's horn. The big question for me, for Jordan Love is I want it to be consistent. We know he can have these games, now it's time to string it along one game after the next. You know what I mean? So, you know, it's a nice little piece here. Save Williams made a touchdown. That was cool to see the rookie get another touchdown. Golden. It's, it's interesting how I expected him to kind of get the ball a little bit more, but he, he is kind of lost in the shuffle right now. But it's fine. First season. It's okay. You don't have to be a superstar on this team. Yeah.

Pershin: 39:30

Yeah.

Jason: 39:30

So, yeah,

Pershin: 39:31

I, I, I've been, I guess you could say not pleasantly surprised, unpleasantly surprised at how slowly they've, they've ramped up his snaps, so he seems to have hit a plateau. But that being said, we see all the time, second, third year breakout, so it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be weird at all to see a second half of the season breakout, you know, I mean, so he's working rookie wide receiver. Yeah, he's a rookie ride receiver, and Lalo loves to rotate those receivers anyways. I do think eventually he will be a featured you know, a a, the, the, basically the, the alpha in that room. Eventually, I think they believe in him. They, they spin a first round draft pick on him, which you know, famously they never do. And I don't think he's shown anything to make them believe like, oh no, he's just not that guy. I, I think he'll get there eventually. We're

Jason: 40:28

keeping him a secret for our playoff run.

Pershin: 40:32

There you go. There you go. I will say though, christian Watson, you know, really quick recovery from the ACL. It was January of this year and he looked good out there. He wa he, he didn't just get on the field, he made some big plays and legitimately looked good out there. How about that catch? I thought that was great.

Jason: 40:51

He had on what, the five yard line where love threaded the needle. I mean love put it on the money on that. That was like a 40 yard, 30 30, 40 yard catch is incredible. Yeah. Incredible game. Yeah. I mean that

Pershin: 41:08

entire Packers offense, I mean obviously love, but that entire Packer's offense looked so efficient in the second half. It was really day. He looked like he was chilling in the

Jason: 41:18

backfield like he had all day. Oh yeah. Calm all day. Calm on the other side. Yeah, on the other side, Rogers. He didn't want to call it a revenge game because he loves the Packers and he, he's already established that he's gonna sign a one day contract at the end of his career to retire a packer. So if they let him, I mean, they might not fuck him. They might not even

Pershin: 41:45

the way that things ended and all the prima donna shit he pulled, you know, and

Jason: 41:51

oh, he's just eating that humble pie. He's eating that humble pie now. Boys.

Pershin: 41:55

Yeah. He was in the media saying stuff like, oh sure they want me back, but do they really want me? Yeah, but do they really want me?

Jason: 42:01

They're not showing me they really want me back. I will say

Pershin: 42:05

this though. This, this is not quite the. Reaction that I thought he would have. I thought this was gonna be an intense game where he's like, oh, you know, his petty ass wants revenge or whatever. It, it really wasn't like that. I think before the game, he mentioned how it, you know, he, he kind of felt a little bit of sadness because he missed so much about that team. And he, he has said recently in the past year or so, that he actually realized like how stable and well run of an organization it is compared to some others in the league. And, you know, he, he got Woody. Yeah.

Jason: 42:42

You went to the Jets.

Pershin: 42:44

Yeah, he got Woody Johnson out there at the Jetson. I think he realized like, oh. They're not all like this, you know? And so I think he, he does, he, he mentioned I think it was like a Wednesday or Thursday in one of these press conferences, he mentioned that like, oh yeah, like mistakes were made. I like to think that I'm improving every day as a person. And it's, it's almost like he was trying to say like, yeah, I mishandled the situation. And, and I really do believe that he doesn't see it as. Oh, I did to get revenge on them so much as he sees it as, man, I kind of fucked that one up. I shouldn't have handled it that way. And to me, my own eyes, it looked like he was kind of tearing up a little bit on the sidelines, and I don't think he even cared that much about beating them. I, I, I was expecting way different level of intensity, but at any rate, it is what it is. Packers came out second half with that ass, and so,

Jason: 43:45

yeah, for sure that,

Pershin: 43:46

that Steelers defense really needs to take a look in the mirror.

Jason: 43:49

Well, they got some work to do. They got

Pershin: 43:51

something to do. They might want to trade, they might want to make a trade or two before the deadline here. Yeah.

Jason: 43:56

Trade cam Hayward's old ass. I,

Pershin: 43:59

I'm always gonna keep

Jason: 44:00

faith

Pershin: 44:00

in. Go ahead and trade TJ

Jason: 44:02

Watt while he's still in his prime and, and you need to give some pieces. So last thing I wanna say about the Packers real quick. I, I came across a, a. A thing, and it was NFC. It was NFC Nors quarterbacks in comparison, since 1992, minimum, minimum 10 games played. So all these quarterbacks played a minimum of 10 games, and it's, the Vikings have had the most quarterbacks at, at 12, the bears had 11, and the lion have had 10.

Pershin: 44:42

Sounds about right.

Jason: 44:44

The packers have had three in that same time span. That is just like, that's incredible to find a QB talent good enough to qb long enough and then find them again and do the exact same thing repeatedly over and over and over again. Boy, that's something you don't wanna lose there. Just say it's,

Pershin: 45:15

It's a, just, just the same way that Rogers is like, man, I took the Packers for granted. Packers fans, man, don't take it for granted. Some people are Colorado Buffalo fans out here. Okay. Yeah,

Jason: 45:29

yeah, for sure. Don't take it for

Pershin: 45:30

granted. All right. You guys have, are in a privileged position.

Jason: 45:34

Alright, and then for the rest of the Steelers notes Chris Collinsworth he probably made Patrick Mahomes pretty jealous with the way he was talking about Rogers. I mean, like the entire game was just. S Rogers, this, Rogers that even when love would like make a throw, he'd be like, he would like praise, love, but then say, yeah, you, well, you know, he'd learned that from Rogers. It's like, oh my God, dude, this dude, this dude's heart was about to explode from love, from so much love from

Pershin: 46:05

Rogers because he was Roger's backup for a couple years. It's like, oh, this guy, he, he, he learned how to put his pads on from watching rock. You know what I mean? Like, he, he, he learned how to put, you know, Rogers does differently

Jason: 46:18

when he ties his shoes. Most people take the left, left string and put it over the right string. Well, Rogers puts the right string over the left string. He does his bunny ears backwards, and that's what makes him the best.

Pershin: 46:33

Yeah.

Jason: 46:33

When

Pershin: 46:34

Rogers strings his cleats, they're all the right string, you know? Oh

Jason: 46:38

my God. All right. Enough of this. All right, so. You know, the rest of the week was kind of a bunch of blowouts. Instead of national tight end day, I would say it was national running back day because James Cook had a day. The, A chain had a decent day. Brie Hall, we saw an emergence from Brie Hall that we hadn't seen in a while. Speaking of Grease Hall, the Jets finally got their first win of the season and they had to come back and score 23 points in the fourth quarter to win 39 to 38 against Flaco and the Bengals.

Pershin: 47:18

Whew, what a scenario. This, this guy is left for dead. Right? His team cannot wait to play Tyro Taylor. And then at the last second, oops. Tyro Taylor actually can't go. He's too hurt. I picked him up. We're gonna have to, to put fields back in, we're gonna have to put fields back in. Okay? So Fields gets thrust back into the responsibility after just a couple days before the owner of the team saying he is the problem. Like, you can't win the problem's, not the coaching. You can't win with quarterback. Play like this publicly throws him all the way under the bus, right? And so it is what it is. And then on top of it, he's, he's missing Garrett Wilson, his only proven weapon, and he's missing the guy with the second most targets on the team, Josh Reynolds an indictment on the team, but whatever the point is, he's got nothing going for himself. And then he goes out there with everything against him and actually looks really good. No, he doesn't

Jason: 48:27

stop it.

Pershin: 48:28

He does. He does. He does. I'm not saying that he's necessarily, Rees Hall

Jason: 48:34

accounted for more touchdowns than Justin Field did, and Brie Hall also also threw a touchdown.

Pershin: 48:41

Yeah. But when you actually look at Justin Fields' playing, he didn't do his normal things where he holds the ball too long. Look, man, just, he's kicking the ball out, playing better

Jason: 48:51

than, than shitty that, that doesn't make it good.

Pershin: 48:57

They had over 500 yards of, off

Jason: 49:00

a a hundred and Okay. Well, let me see here. Fourteen, eighteen, a hundred and fifty seven, fifty five of it was Bri Hall.

Pershin: 49:16

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's great. Brees Hall had a great game.

Jason: 49:19

Justin feels only he threw for 2 44. Just say it.

Pershin: 49:25

I think he looked pretty good. Certainly the best he's looked this season. Granted

Jason: 49:31

that's, that's fair. Which we knew coming into the season when you spend all your money on three players and then one can't play, what are you doing?

Pershin: 49:43

Yeah. When the most important one gets hurt, you're, you're done. You're done. So,

Jason: 49:50

yep. Well, you know. So the, the Bengals turned out to

Pershin: 49:53

be the only close game of the weekend, basically.

Jason: 49:57

Yeah. And get this, so because of the Steelers and the Bengals lost, the Ravens are now the favorite to win, the favorite and odds to win the A FC North.

Pershin: 50:13

Wow. Wow. Yeah, I, I was just saying a couple weeks ago how they can't be the favorite anymore and I guess they are back as the favorites again. That's at two and

Jason: 50:24

five. They're back as the favorites with minus 1 0 5. The Steelers at plus one 60. The Bengals are at plus 500, and the Browns are at plus 3000.

Pershin: 50:35

I think it's gonna be the Steelers. I think they trade for some decent defensive players and they do enough to win that division. That's what I think thing.

Jason: 50:46

Okay. Well, the Steelers next set of games are Colts, chargers, Bengals, bears, bills, Ravens, dolphins, lions, Browns, Ravens.

Pershin: 51:06

I mean, they probably have to steal a couple of those, but they also got some

Jason: 51:10

think they'll be there too. And I don't think they'll beat the Chargers. No,

Pershin: 51:14

no. I think they'll beat the Bengals. I think they'll beat the Dolphins. Probably the Browns,

Jason: 51:24

but so they need five more games to get the 500. I'm finding it tough to see five more wins on this, on the schedule.

Pershin: 51:34

It. That does sound like a, a tough schedule, but you know what? I you just, you, you never bet against Tomlin. You just don't do it

Jason: 51:43

like you have them at four four. Do you think they'll beat the Ravens at all?

Pershin: 51:52

I, I think they could. I think if the Ravens are rolling out Huntley and not Jackson, then yes. I, I think that they're favorite. Well, they

Jason: 52:01

don't play the Ravens. They're expecting Jackson to start this week, so, yeah.

Pershin: 52:10

Well then I would say the Ravens are probably the better team, so

Jason: 52:14

I got them at four more wins, man. They're gonna have to get over, they're gonna have to get an unsuspecting win here.

Pershin: 52:20

That's what I mean. They're gonna, they're probably gonna have to steal a couple. But Tomlin does that though. He steals. He steals. So,

Jason: 52:26

so we would have them at nine. Nine wins. Right. So that would mean the Ravens would have to win seven games to get the to, to win the division.

Pershin: 52:40

It's possible, but it's hard. That is very hard out to come back out. Seven

Jason: 52:44

outta 10.

Pershin: 52:46

It's hard to come back from two and five in the NFL man, I'm telling you.

Jason: 52:50

And they have dolphins, Vikings, Browns, jets.

Pershin: 52:57

Wow. They got a easy schedule actually. 1,

Jason: 52:59

2, 3. That's four. I'm starting

Pershin: 53:01

to see why they're favored. Now.

Jason: 53:03

Be Beal again. That could be five in a row. Which, all right. All right. Then they played Steelers, Bengals again, so, so let's say they lose the Steelers. That's five and one, six and one beat the Bengals. I think they could lose to the Patriots, let's say six and two Packers, Steelers. They would have to win the last two games they lose to, to get Yeah. Yeah. To at least win the win the North man, that would be crazy. Let's keep an eye on that. I think it'll

Pershin: 53:40

be interesting. I think it'll be interesting toward the end. Yeah.

Jason: 53:43

Yeah. Let's keep it, we'll keep an eye on that one for sure. We'll keep an eye on that race. And then, let's see, what were the, the last game that I kind of wanted to talk about? Let's go through some where these running backs that had a day. It, it is wild to me. Trayvon Henderson and re, Andre Stevenson might as well, they should just trade him. They're like, he's getting less and less and less as the, as the weeks go on. Saquon Barkley had a great, had a, had a, had a good week after. Not a good week. Derrick Henry two Tudies. 71 yards, 21 carries. That's probably why the Ravens won. And then Sean Tucker, ball Hawking from Rashid, Rashad White. I mean, it was still that touchdown.

Pershin: 54:31

It was, it was pretty interesting though, like Sean Tucker to me looked like the better.

Jason: 54:37

Yeah. Running

Pershin: 54:37

back for sure. So I, you gotta think if, if Bucky Irving's not back, I think they're not necessarily expecting it back for another couple weeks. It'll be interesting to see if they actually do give Sean Tucker a bigger piece of the pie than Rashad White. I think that's entirely in play based on how they both looked last week. So,

Jason: 55:01

yeah, absolutely. And then Jonathan Taylor had two touchdowns. He was an absolute monster for the Colts Man. Look at how good the cols are right now. It's insane.

Pershin: 55:10

Oh, every single week is running back national, running back day for Jonathan Taylor, bro. He is, he is unbelievable this year. He's unbelievable this year, man. It's that entire offense extremely efficient. Seems like everything they do is just working so well. I, I yeah, just very impressed. And then the last running

Jason: 55:34

back I wanted to shout out was JK Dobbins. 111 yards on 15 Carries Bo Nicks and the Broncos absolutely beat the crap out of the vi out of the Cowboys. I mean, great good game by Bo Nicks, you know, four touchdowns, one interception, 2 47. JK Dobbins had a great game, even though he didn't, even though RJ Harvey, RJ Harvey looked really, really good. I was liking him too. I almost forgot JK Dobbins was on the team.'cause RJ Harvey was, was getting the ball a healthy amount and he got two touchdowns. Troy Frank. Yeah, RJ Harvey, just the names go on and on and everybody had a good game. For the Broncos here. What's your synopsis of this game? Yeah.

Pershin: 56:22

Yeah. Really refreshing to see this as a Broncos fan. Finally, a complete game from Bo Nicks where he never looked uncomfortable or just making bonehead plays. There was never a section of the game where it's like, what the fuck's going on with Bo Nicks right now? Just look calm, collected in control the entire game. Glad to see a full game performance from him. Also, the defense, you know, is pretty much the only game that the, that the cowboys have been slowed down. So I was, I was wondering like, would things go awry with Patrick Ctan being hurt? You know, he came into the game hurt and then had to leave. I guess now he's gonna miss a few weeks. It's, I, I don't think quite sure yet. But even when he was out of the game really good defensive play just really good to see from, from that aspect as a Broncos fan. I wanted to, to say though, like as someone who drafted a decent amount of RJ Harvey in my various leagues, I've been disappointed with, you know, hi, his amount of playing time and stuff like that. But I will say though, JK Dobbins has just been good. He's just been, yeah, he really has been really good. Like there's not necessarily a reason why they need to rush Harvey into a big role. I mean, Dobbins is excellent. When it comes to pass protection is, that's pretty much the, the biggest area where Harvey is lacking right now. And even as a runner. Not necessarily this game, but most games he's looked like the better running back. And so, as frustrating as it can be from a fantasy perspective as a Broncos fan, I think we've just got two pretty good running backs. And JK Dobbins still has it that I wouldn't necessarily drop Harvey or anything because he's been like the second fiddle. You gotta take a look at JK Dobbins extensive injury history and I, any moment now JK Dobbins could get a major injury that wouldn't shock anyone and RJ Harvey's value would be through the roof. So I would try to hold onto him. If you've got the bench space you know, just see because if Dobbins goes down, you're really gonna want Harvey, so

Jason: 58:52

for sure. Yeah, good call. Good call on that. Yeah, so the Cowboys man, they're in a tough spot because they're clearly missing Micah Parsons as much as they refuse to believe that,'cause they have, every game has been 30 plus points minus like two or two or three each team. So,

Pershin: 59:18

yeah. And you know, Jerry Jones tried to say like, oh, we're okay with transitioning to Kenny Clark because what we really are gonna address this, this season is gonna be our run defense. Well, the run defense has been fucking awful, so it just hasn't worked out from any angle. He's trying to make it sound like, oh, I, you know, trying to save face basically about the situation. It's like, nah.

Jason: 59:45

And Kenny Clark has done nothing. Nothing. Yeah. He's had one and a half sex.

Pershin: 59:53

Yeah, it, it, it was probably the perfect time to trade Kenny Clark away, honestly. Yes, yes. Is what it is. I'm not Kenny Clark anything, but he really has not been, he's not even been as productive as he was before. So yeah, not good. Also, quick side note about the Steelers Packers game. They kept, I don't wanna say they, because I'm pretty sure it was the same offensive lineman over and over again, hooking Micah Parsons as he's rushing the passer, the, the refs were just basically ignoring it. Micah Parsons getting held over and over and over again. And it was like they were just ignoring it for whatever reason. They refused to call it. I, I mean, he was sort of generating pressure a lot of times anyways, so maybe the, the, maybe the refs are kind of like, oh, this is like a hacka shack thing, where it's like, oh, he's doing fine anyways. I don't know what, I don't know what they're thinking, but at some point they must have seen all the holding and they just ignored it the entire game. They just ignored it. So

Jason: 1:01:02

annoying. Insane. Insane. I agree. All right. Well next, next week, I, I am looking forward to obviously Pan Panthers Packers game as Smith will be in, in Costa Rica to watch it with me. And then for actual good game purposes, Steelers, Colts, Broncos, Texans, chiefs Bills, probably the biggest game of the week. And Seahawks commanders, man, commanders gotta win a game here to keep up. So, you know, and then the Monday night game is Cardinals cowboys, so not too excited about that. But, you know, there's an okay slate here.

Pershin: 1:01:50

Yeah,

Jason: 1:01:51

it's the middle of

Pershin: 1:01:51

the season. I'm actually feeling, I'm actually feeling pretty nervous about this. Houston's Houston Texans game. It, we like a pretty heavy favorite, I think six points is what I saw yesterday, like immediately in Vegas. The thing is that you're, you think

Jason: 1:02:07

the Broncos our favorite?

Pershin: 1:02:10

Yeah, we were, yesterday when I was looking at it.

Jason: 1:02:13

I see. Houston right now is one and a half point favorite.

Pershin: 1:02:17

Oh, okay. Well that's much closer than I thought it was gonna be, but that's good. Well, good. I don't know. I, I'll say I agree with that. Threw'em off. I think that that, you know, if there's any defense that's been like more consistent than our defense has been, it's been that, that Houston Texans defense is low key. Probably just the best defense in the league. And then the past couple weeks, even without Nico Collins all of a sudden Stroud looks like he's kind of back on his A game and has looked much better the past couple weeks. So this could be you know, a pretty tough, tough out here. So, crossing my fingers, gonna be looking for that. Hopefully the Broncos show up.

Jason: 1:03:00

Crossing the fingers and the cheeks. Here we go. Alright.

Pershin: 1:03:04

Yes, it's gonna be a national tight end day for my tight end.

Jason: 1:03:08

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my goodness gracious. And then the last thing I wanted to, I talk about it'cause I almost forgot. But the tush push was, that was totally a fumble. And they want to say that they cu blew the whistle forward progress. And it was interesting that the guy, I can't remember his name, but he was in the locker room and they asked him about the tush push and he was going on and on and talking about it. And then his the player next to him looked up and said, Hey man, you're gonna get fined. And what he said was, this was a terrible call, this and that. And then he, he says, oh, hey man, you're gonna get fined. And the guy goes, I'm sorry, that was a. What I meant to say was, that was a great call by the ref.

Pershin: 1:03:59

Yeah. Yeah. I saw that video. And it, yeah, great stuff. Great stuff. So

Jason: 1:04:06

funny. But that's why the tush is gonna be banned because it's, the refs are making it so that it seems so impossible to, to ref that. That's why it'll be banned.

Pershin: 1:04:19

Yeah. I think it's been, we already said this earlier, think it's been two, two or three off seasons in a row that they've voted on it and it keeps getting closer and closer. So I think this coming off season is finally gonna be the tipping point where so many coaches are frustrated with fucking five tush pushes in a row, you know, to go six yards or whatever it is. And it's like the refs it. Clearly cannot or, or don't want to, whatever it is, they cannot officiate the play properly. So I think anything that cannot be subject to proper officiating should be banned for that reason alone.

Jason: 1:04:59

Completely agree. Yeah, absolutely. Alright, well that's all we got for you. As always, hit us up on the social medias at Pine Pony Podcast and have a happy Halloween and we'll catch you next week. Adios, aios.