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Week 9 Trade Deadline

• jason strang • Season 3 • Episode 23

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This week, host OG is joined by Pershin and Smith to discuss the recent Panthers win, the dramatic World Series, and other key sports highlights and dissect this week's NFL trade deadlines, focusing on the moves by the Cowboys, Jets, and Colts. Also, we touch on college football upsets and the upcoming games. Don't miss out on our take on the Panthers vs. Packers game, Tomlin's playoff chances, and a fun roundup of the upcoming NFL matches.

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Jason:

Welcome. Welcome to the Pine Pony podcast. Shit, I fucked that all up

Smith:

man.

Jason:

Lemme try it again.

Smith:

Don't from the top cut. Leave it as is.

Jason:

Welcome. Welcome to uh, alright. From the top, take two. Welcome. Welcome to another edition of the Palm Pony Podcast. As always, you got me the OG, hanging out with my good friend Persian. Except for this week, we got an original, an original Potter original squad mate Smith is here. What's happening guys?

Smith:

Yo, yo,

Pershin:

friend of the pod Smith, back in the fold. How you doing my friend?

Smith:

Oh, you know, coming off of a Panthers win. Things could not be better.

Pershin:

13 point underdog.

Jason:

Yeah. And so, and kept the other team to only 13 points.

Pershin:

Defense

Jason:

showed up. Yeah, they sure did. And our offense did not, but we'll get into that in a little bit. But let's, let's start the show. Alright. So first I wanna talk about the World Series Man. The World Series ended in it for all intents and purposes. It was a great world series. It was had a lot of drama. The last game, I think, went into over extra innings.

Smith:

Extra innings. You had an 18 inning game. It was the peasants versus the, I don't know,

Jason:

the billionaires, the

Smith:

billionaires

Jason:

Fi fitting for the, for the current state of affairs. And the billionaires won.

Smith:

Yo.

Jason:

Sadly, sadly.

Smith:

Terrorist win.

Jason:

That's right. But there is some good news to the World Series. Will Smith has won his sixth in a row.

Smith:

Wait, we talking Will Smith?

Jason:

No.

Smith:

Getting Jiggy Rid?

Jason:

No, not that one.

Pershin:

Is this one of Smith's family members here?

Jason:

No, I don't think so. I mean, maybe Smith is very generic, so but yeah, no three there's a Will Smith on the Dodgers who won three of'em. And then the other is he actually

Smith:

players. He just a bench player.

Jason:

I think he actually plays.

Pershin:

Are you sure he's not just acting like he's playing as part of a role?

Smith:

I mean that would be what a Will Smith does. They do act.

Jason:

Oh my gosh.

Smith:

They rap too. Does he rap?

Jason:

I mean, I'm sure

Pershin:

he probably, and he's an above average dancer.

Smith:

Does he like, does he rap Like Greg Olson?

Jason:

I didn't know Greg Olson rap. Yeah, man.

Smith:

He's the,

Jason:

he's the starter

Smith:

of my G Reg.

Jason:

He's the starting sin third leg.

Pershin:

Yeah. Olson wraps. He wraps his thing around.

Jason:

I was not prepared.

Smith:

Yeah. Look it up. Miami Greg Olson, rap one. Let's just look that up one day.

Jason:

I don't wanna see legs

Smith:

face up. Yeah.

Jason:

But yeah. Will Smith, he's the starting center fe was that catcher? Starting catcher?

Smith:

Never heard of him.

Jason:

Never heard of the guy. Never heard of him. If you don't rap, you're not getting hurt of Yeah.

Pershin:

If you don't rap, Smith doesn't give a fuck about you.

Jason:

Yeah, man. So I guess we'll have to wait till October for the next try at a low budget team. Winning this, winning the whole thing.

Smith:

Yeah, like the Braves.

Jason:

They already won like two years ago.

Smith:

That ain't that, that was yesterday's news we talking about tomorrow.

Jason:

All right. And then we got some MLS News, man, Charlotte FC tied it up on penalty kicks. That was epic, man. So now the danger of NYC's Yankee Field is over, and we get to go back home with Wilfred Zaha, who I think is the key to winning this game. So it's exciting for Charlotte FC Smith, are you excited?

Smith:

Yes.

Jason:

Yes, he is.

Smith:

Thrilled. So excited.

Jason:

He's, and I

Smith:

just can't hide it.

Jason:

He's containing it here. People. Yeah. I know you can't see him, but it's just like he's oozing. He, he just

Pershin:

can't hide it, but he is hiding it.

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah. He is hiding it very well. So yeah, that series is tied at one, one. Then we got Miami and Nashville tied at one one. Cincinnati and Columbus interstate rivalry tied at one one. San Diego and Portland tied at one. We watched that port the end of the Portland game and that was, that was some,

Smith:

so that

Jason:

was

Smith:

pretty epic. So is messy mess messy? FC gonna win.

Jason:

Messy FC gonna win. Yeah man, they're playing at home.

Smith:

Okay, alright.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah. They're gonna get the flag. The, they're gonna get the refs and Messi's probably gonna score like two goals. Calling it, we got Minnesota and Seattle tied at one. A lot of series tied at one, all game threes. Man, it's exciting. Except for we had to wait a week after the game, it feels like.

Smith:

Yeah, they're, they're playoff season seems very, very long. For some reason it's like three weeks for three games

Jason:

game on Saturday

Smith:

football.

Pershin:

It is football. I

Smith:

mean it is, but it ain't football

Pershin:

And that's why Messi's getting

Jason:

the, actually

Pershin:

is

Jason:

the true

Pershin:

that's mess' getting calls. Shes does all football.

Smith:

That would make a lot of sense.

Jason:

You mean chiefs?'Cause we all know he's a chief by, by heart. Yeah. And then the other two series are over, so LAFC, beat Austin and then Vancouver Beat Dallas. So Vancouver and LAFC face off at a two B determined date. The other games will happen on Friday and Saturday. So looking forward to that slate of true football. Alright, and then let's head over to college football. College. My favorite man, I like college

Smith:

football.

Pershin:

The land of the job openings, right?

Jason:

Yeah, there's a lot of people getting fired right now.

Smith:

And nobody getting hired. That's the interesting thing.

Pershin:

Yeah. You, I, I figured some of these schools were firing dudes mid-season because they wanted to get the jump on that prime candidate or something.

Smith:

Yeah. Especially in the portal season.

Pershin:

I think what may be happening, I, I don't know, this, this me just, my own theory here is that these, these few, like highly sought after candidates are purposely like waiting it out and playing the field a bit because they know that there may be even more suitors coming down the pipe.

Smith:

Well, not just that, I mean, like in Khan's case, he's got a team that can go to playoffs. Why would you throw it out away?

Pershin:

True.

Jason:

Yeah.'cause he, he's, he's gonna be the head, next head coach of the Miami Dolphins,

Pershin:

you mean? You mean the next gm,

Jason:

I mean. Yeah, next gm. And

Pershin:

they fired?

Jason:

Yeah, they

Pershin:

fired their G because they haven fired and then they said that they wanted to extend McDaniel. I don't know if that's like some kind of bullshit posturing, but look, it sounds like McDaniel is actually safe.

Jason:

I mean, up until last year, the GM was probably the best part about that, that combo. He was putting together a pretty decent

Pershin:

team. They had a lot of talent on that team.

Jason:

I mean, they put, they put the chiefs in rebuild mode after a week left, you know? So is there

Smith:

any notable college football games

Jason:

we talk about? Yeah. Let's get to the college. Let's get off, let's get back on track. Y'all. We got the biggest cocktail party. Georgia, Florida.

Smith:

Yeah. Florida sucks. I think everyone knows that.

Jason:

They almost won close.

Smith:

They kept

Jason:

it close. The 24 20. Yeah. I mean, they don't have a head coach. So the, the, the fact that they even kept it close was just, was

Smith:

pretty, the fact that Napier is so bad that they're better with off without him,

Jason:

that says something right there and then this one broke my heart. Texas beat Vandy.

Smith:

Yeah. Yeah. I wanted Vandy to win. I like the SEC shorts. Pimp,

Pershin:

prime Pony podcast has been Team Vandy for a minute now.

Jason:

Yeah, they lost 31 to 34.

Smith:

Yeah. They, they were down by 10. They they almost came back on.

Jason:

They did. They did.

Smith:

And then they screwed up the they screwed up the, the pooch kick, not the pooch kick, you know, the outside kick. They had it and they, they just butter fingers.

Pershin:

Damn. You know, that guy is not very popular on the bus ride.

Jason:

Yeah, definitely ain't getting none tonight. That's all I'm gonna say. Any Oh, big,

Smith:

he got slick hands on. He's okay. Right.

Pershin:

I just like how strength, I like, I just like how Strength said it as if he's like, oh, if he would've got that, I'd have gave it up. He's like, you know what? Yep. If you, if, if you ain't, if you ain't catching onsite then nah, nah. The muffin shop, close

Jason:

muffin shop. I mean, maybe he might take me somewhere. You never know. Might just give me all the money. I don't know, man. I'm just, just saying. Anyway, Miami was upset by SMU Man. Can you believe that? 26. 20?

Smith:

Yeah. Miami. Miami is Miami. They're always Miami.

Jason:

Miami's not back.

Smith:

They, they're gonna lose a few games. That's what says games every year. They could have 1985 Chicago Bears as their defense. They're still games. They haven't been the

Pershin:

same ever since Vinny tested. VE left. They've been asked, let's be real.

Jason:

Yeah, man. Ever since they stopped cheating,

Smith:

doing coke off of hooker's backs, I mean,

Jason:

can't do that no more.

Smith:

They need to bring it back. Need to bring it back.

Jason:

And then Utah up. I mean, you, I guess you consider this an upset since this ranked higher. They, they beat Sy 1724 Utah Beat Sy.

Smith:

We talking about, we talking about Mormons. No one cares.

Jason:

I mean, 45, 14, they whoop that ass off. They put it up. And then Oklahoma beat Tennessee. 33, 27.

Smith:

Yeah. Good wind, but no one caress. Good wood preventables.

Jason:

Yeah. But

Smith:

hopefully next head coach cls, some tigers.

Jason:

Wow. You think they tried to bring him back?

Smith:

No.'cause he's not gonna leave there. That's his dream job.

Jason:

Hmm. They ain't getting rid of Babo And then Babo.

Smith:

Babo.

Jason:

Yeah, Babo. That's what we calling him now.

Smith:

Oh. The monkey. Who's the head coach

Jason:

Until he starts winning. We calling him Babo because we lost to to Duke in the final minutes of, we lost to Duke.

Smith:

We talking about basketball right?

Jason:

No, we talking about football. Football.

Smith:

Oh

Jason:

yeah, we talking about football. They lost

Smith:

a Duke in football.

Jason:

It was, we were up by a touchdown and they, we let'em score in the final minutes of the game and they went for two and won it and they got two. They said, man, we are either gonna win this game or lose it. And they won it.

Pershin:

They said, we're either gonna win this. No heart on that

Jason:

team, man, no heart.

Pershin:

You made it sound so epic.

Smith:

Not even, not even opting for the tie. That's

Jason:

not even opting for a tie. That's terrible.

Pershin:

You made it sound profound too. You're like these bad asses. They ain't tying,

Jason:

they ain't dying. Man. I like it, man. Hey, sometimes you gotta, you gotta put it all out on the field. Yeah. You know, one

Pershin:

play at a time. I, I, Hey, after watching that Dallas Green Bay game ending at Tie earlier, I am. I am on team. Don't tie. Go for the Win man.

Smith:

Or go for the

Pershin:

loss. Either one. That, that thing,

Jason:

either one, you

Pershin:

either are gonna win or that everybody's freaking heart beaten for like an hour straight and then everyone's basically like, oh what? We're back to square one after all of that. It's a tie, like, come on.

Jason:

Now I will say there was some Tom Foolery from the referees in the final minutes of that game. Yeah.

Smith:

Da Dabo caused a cheating,

Jason:

but you shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. So yeah, Dabo got fined for his his remarks on the referees.

Smith:

Yep. And then double down, which is hilarious.

Jason:

Yeah. So, you know, his pants are getting hot

Smith:

because he is trying to get fired.'cause he is gonna be very rich if he gets fired.

Pershin:

You gotta, he's already very rich. You gotta think about the way that Dabo iss looking at the season. All right? It's like, first of all, it, you caught us off guard giving us a test on the first day of class. And now that we've been studying for the final exam, stop it. Stop exam. We got people sneaking looking at our, our test result, looking at my answers on my desk and, and you know, he's just, he's. It ain't right. It ain't right after all the cramming he must have done.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

After all the cramming he must have done for the final exam.

Jason:

The worst, the worst analogy ever. Okay. And then man, next week, not a whole lot out there man. Gonna be a lot of lop side of games, I feel. Maybe it's a few surprise upsets

Smith:

who's, who's Ohio State Play. They're number one.

Jason:

They play nobody.

Smith:

I bet they play somebody.

Jason:

I mean, they play a team. I wouldn't call it a good team.

Smith:

Ooh. Georgia, Mississippi State. That's a good game. That could be, that could be something.

Jason:

That could be something.

Smith:

They play Purdon at Purdon. That would be it.

Jason:

That's not,

Smith:

that's a Ohio State place. Purdue. Yeah. That ain't gonna be good.

Jason:

And then Ole Miss got the barn burner of the Seattle of Citadel.

Smith:

Yep. I

Jason:

dunno why it says Seattle,

Smith:

Texas a and m at Missouri. That'll be a good game. That should be

Jason:

good. Yeah.

Smith:

You, you tell me lies. You said there was no good games. Next.

Jason:

Well, there's like three

Smith:

keep scroll.

Pershin:

Is that, is that game downtown? Is that at the cita?

Jason:

No, man.

Smith:

That's in,

Jason:

That game is not gonna be in Charleston, South Carolina.

Smith:

Yeah. That game. That game.

Jason:

Wherever. At a 10,000 seat stadium.

Pershin:

Oh man. You're right. They always have to be at the bigger stadium.

Smith:

LSU Alabama. That'll be a, that'll

Jason:

no man. There's no Brian Kelly there.

Smith:

That's that's good. That's

Jason:

good for them. That's good for LSU

Smith:

and you got Notre Dame Navy. That's always a good one. Sometimes, not always. 60% of the time. Every time. We got a good slate next week. Whatcha talking? I

Jason:

disagree man. I think it's gonna be a lot of lopsided.

Pershin:

I feel like you're misunderstanding both the definition of always and the definition of good. Like this is not a good slate.

Smith:

Yep. No, this is fine. This is good. This is good.

Jason:

It works. It is good. 60% of the time. All the time.

Smith:

What's, what's the spread on the Bama game?

Jason:

10 and a half Bama. Oh.

Pershin:

See, he, he's wanting to, he's

Smith:

wanting put some

Pershin:

money down. It's, it's always

Jason:

not Dame. 25 minutes. You gotta

Pershin:

sweat.

Jason:

He's trying to talk himself in the bets. He's trying to talk himself into gambling.

Smith:

No, no. Virginia at Wake Forest. Or Wake Forest at Virginia. That, that game right there, that's gonna be a close one.

Jason:

Okay. Well, it is only a six and a half point difference.

Smith:

We can make cover of that. I could see that being a three point game.

Jason:

What about Vandy? Auburn?

Smith:

Vandy gonna crush over.

Jason:

Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Oregon. Iowa, man, that could be something.

Smith:

No, Oregon. All Oregon.

Jason:

What about BYU Texas Tech?

Smith:

I, I don't know. They're Mormons. I don't follow that. Wow.

Jason:

Man hates Mormons for no reason.

Smith:

I mean, those good use probably,

Pershin:

I hate Mormons because they shower with magical underwear on, and that's weird.

Smith:

True. And they soak. They soak as well. They have other people shake the bed for'em.

Pershin:

See, that's weird. That's weird.

Smith:

I'm telling you.

Jason:

All right, well let's, let's get ahead and get on into some NFL. We have some trade deadlines.

Smith:

Yeah, let's talk about those.

Jason:

Let's talk about those.

Smith:

There's some actual action going on, on the blast

Jason:

day. Well, before after the Trade, Eagles picked up Ja year, Alexander.

Smith:

I thought that was like the day before.

Jason:

Maybe the day from the raid.

Pershin:

Yeah. That, that was like the, the night before.

Jason:

That was a free agent.

Smith:

Yeah, that was like the day before.

Jason:

Oh, I didn't see it then. My bad. But I have it on here. So,

Smith:

hey.

Jason:

Anyway, it was a train and then I mean. The losers of the trade deadline are definitely the cowboys and the colts, right?

Smith:

Actually, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think cowboys are doing pretty good for themselves. They got rid of, they, they traded Micah, which after last week's looking kind of good.

Jason:

So you talked

Smith:

about one week they got, they used the first round of Quentin Williams and they got, what's his face from, from Green Bay, right.

Jason:

Kenny Clark, who's done absolutely nothing

Smith:

this season. Kenny. And now they still have another first round.

Pershin:

Hey, that's pretty

Smith:

good.

Pershin:

Kenny Clark

Jason:

did. Yeah, but they did, they got,

Pershin:

Kenny Clark did get half a sack on Bryce Young. So he's turning the corner. He's turning the

Jason:

corner. Here's my thing with it. He, here's my thing with it, is they traded player, traded for players on two of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Smith:

No jets didn't have the worst defense.

Jason:

They're, they're not pretty good. They're like middle of, of the pack.

Pershin:

I think

Smith:

the whole, no, the Jets defense is, is pretty decent. I mean, they're decent. The offense, they're

Pershin:

probably pretty bad now that they're out of sauce and out of Quinn.

Smith:

Yeah, they're be bad now. They're gonna be real bad now.

Jason:

Point is, they gave up capital and I just don't think that they're,

Smith:

so how does that make the Cowboys a loser? Doesn't that make the Jets a loser?

Jason:

No, I think the Jets are the winners because they absolutely need every draft pick they can get. They,

but

Smith:

they had two first round draft picks in Williams and, and Sauce.

Somebody.

Jason:

He, yeah. Sauce Gardner wasn't was, was a dying ship dude. He didn't wanna play there and they weren't gonna get anything outta him. Nobody wants to play there. So get, get rid of him.

Smith:

Hey, to, to, to say that he hasn't done anything. There hasn't been a receiver who's had more than two catches versus him this year.

Jason:

Right. That's fine. I'm not,

Smith:

he's good.

Jason:

Right. But they're just not throwing him the ball. That means they're throwing it on the other side of the field and beating them. So what's the point?

Smith:

I don't understand your logic.

Jason:

Like if he, if he's guarding, okay, if they're playing,

Smith:

yeah, he's, he's locking down half to

Jason:

field if they're playing the packers and they're locking, but if they're still losing, then it's, that's

Smith:

not his fault.

Jason:

I mean, I know that's not his fault, but he's not gaining interceptions. He's not getting the ball for them. All he's doing is guarding a person that's, that's throwing's. Fantastic.

Smith:

That's fantastic. That's what you want.

Jason:

Right? But if you don't have the rest of the team, then you need to give that player up to get more of a team.

Smith:

No, you just build around them. Jets are losers,

Jason:

but if they didn't give him up, they wouldn't have the picks to build a record.

Pershin:

No, I, I think it was a good

Jason:

move

Pershin:

on their part because he pretty much said outright that he didn't wanna resign with them. And if they're going to lose to free agency anyways, they might as well get a first rounder before that happens. I could, I could totally understand the idea that like, he's a young player, you should just keep him, just resign him and have a stud on your defense. But if they think that there's a pretty good chance that he's just not going to play ball and he's not gonna stay with them, then they might as well get a first. For sure.

Smith:

All right. How about this? How about this? There were no losers in the draft deadline tradings. Oh. But they're absolutely,

Pershin:

well, I think you're three, five and one, you're giving up first round picks. That's a bad strategy. I, I think that they, they should have been sellers rather than buyers with three, five, and one. Come on. They're not making the playoffs, man. Quentin Williams.

Smith:

They're prepping for the coming season. No, this season, but next, like next season,

Pershin:

I guess.

Smith:

Think it's fine. I think it's fine because it's Jerry. He can, he can pay his way and get some more players,

Jason:

but all Jerry wants is, is chaos and he said,

Smith:

I'm not trying to rebuild Jerry. Trying to

Pershin:

go have y'all, have y'all seen this America's team, the documentary from like a month and a half ago? I, I think it was on, I think it was on Hulu, but I, I talked to a guy at work that recently watched it. I haven't seen it myself. It is. Like shocking. I'm, I'm like, holy shit, I can't wait to watch this documentary. It is not a Protect the Shield documentary at all. They, they talked to Troy Aikman. He talks about how the game before the Super Bowl, he got concussed so badly that he could not remember what happened in the game, and his coach is wanting him to prep and asking him about the decisions he made in the last game. He's like, he's like, I don't know, coach. I have to go watch the film to see what I did, because I don't, I don't remember anything to this day. He doesn't remember the game. I mean,

Smith:

how's that, how's that any

Pershin:

here, here's the crazy thing though, is that someone from the league actually called Barry Switzer to be like, Hey, Troy's playing in the Super Bowl next week. Right? Like, the opposite of what they should have been doing and being like, Hey, your guy's okay, right? They're like, Hey, we, we don't want a Super Bowl where the backup's gonna be playing. Like.

Smith:

No, that, that's just Troy Aikman. He doesn't even know. And apparently it's just like, Troy, do you remember what happened in the first quarter? Didn't drink.

Pershin:

And apparently Charles Haley pissed on Barry Switzer's desk in order to get traded off the team. This is, this is an amazing documentary. I can't wait to, I cannot wait to watch this.

Smith:

I try. I actually, I tried. Look, I heard about it. I tried looking it up on Netflix one time and then I just ended up watching the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader Tryout.

Pershin:

Okay. That is,

Smith:

yeah. Better entertainment, I'm sure.

Jason:

Okay. And then the other one where the jets are, where the jets are actually win this trade versus the Colts giving up sauce. Gardner, I think the Colts, I think that was a stupid trade. I mean, I,

Smith:

they're trying to win.

Jason:

I get that they're trying to win, but they were already winning and. To me, their wide receiver de is very suspect. And by giving up Adine Mitchell, they literally have one wide receiver that's eligible for the fourth slot. Otherwise on their depth chart, the other guy is questionable and one's on ir. So the way I'm seeing it is they have four wide receivers right now. If any of those go down, they're in trouble. And their defense was good enough I thought to, to, it

Smith:

wasn't though. They, they, they're starting to leak. I mean they're starting to leak some winds.

Jason:

I don't know, I just

Smith:

don't feel like sauce. You a guy like Sauce who ships down half the field, you only gotta worry about the other half. And you're trying to win a Super Bowl and you gotta go up against the chiefs. You gotta go up against the bills. Sauce is a huge, if you plan on winning a Super Bowl, you gotta have someone like Sauce.

Jason:

I mean, I agree. I'm just saying I think they gave up, I mean a lot. He two firsts, they gave two, they gave two firsts and a second.

Smith:

Yeah,

Jason:

he's

Pershin:

with that.

Jason:

Basically add

Pershin:

Mitchell. It's a lot to give up apparently that the a nine Mitchell thing was pretty bad in the locker room, and so they felt like they had to get rid of him no matter what. So he's, he was basically more like a throw in. Right, because it's like they, they had to move him apparently. But the, the two first and a second I think is a lot to pay given,

Jason:

well, it's not a second. I it's not a second. I, it's just two

Smith:

first and Adine.

Jason:

I'm saying Adine Mitchell was a second round, so I'm just saying he was a second round. That's a second

Smith:

cost. We,

Pershin:

well,

Jason:

essentially that's what they gave up.

Pershin:

I think given the situation how, like over expectation, how well they've performed thus far this year. I think it makes sense because there's no reason not to go for the, the, the championship at this point. You start out seven and one with Daniel Mack. Joseph, whatever.

Jason:

Brian

Pershin:

Jones.

Jason:

Jones,

Pershin:

Brian Jonestown massacre

Jason:

seven

Pershin:

two. Yeah. But the, the, the, the second one was this one that, that they turned the ball over six times or whatever. So

Jason:

Yeah,

Pershin:

I, I just think that it makes sense for both sides, even more so for the jets, but still, I, I really don't blame'em for going for the, the ship here.

Jason:

I mean, it just, to me, like their defense, like I'm looking at the scores and most teams didn't score over 27 points. And even the teams that beat them, like, and that was two teams, the rest of them are like 20. Well,

Pershin:

yeah, I mean, but that

Jason:

if they have, if they don't have a wide receiver, they're gonna, I mean, I get it. They're gonna need game

Smith:

plan and they have. Taylor. So they're gonna run the ball a lot and

Jason:

work the

Smith:

clock down. I get it. So that's gonna,

Jason:

I'm not saying, saying it's a terrible move. I'm just saying that I don't like giving that up and I, I feel like, you know, okay. Sauce may shut down the side, but I mean,

Smith:

that's the problem with draft picks. You, they're, they're gambles, they're always gambles. You never know if they're gonna work or not. Sauce, you know, is the top corner in the league. He works,

Jason:

I mean, we'll

Pershin:

see the age old saying,

Jason:

we'll see

Pershin:

one, one sauce in the, in the hand is better than two, two possible potential sauces. Yeah. Under the bleachers or whatever.

Jason:

Mm-hmm. Totally. Yeah. But now they don't have a first round for eating the next two years.

Pershin:

That's right.

Jason:

That's tough.

Smith:

They got sauce.

Jason:

That's tough. And I mean, what if Daniel Jones sucks next year?

Smith:

I mean, he will, he is probably gonna suck this year. But that's not, it's not our problem.

Jason:

I'm not saying it's our problem. I'm just saying like, there's a lot of, like, they're going all in on Daniel Jones with like, they're

Smith:

going all in on this year.

Jason:

That's what I mean. They're going all in on Daniel Jones. They're giving up the future for a dude who's having one good season out of, no,

Pershin:

remember

Jason:

he

Pershin:

had that good season a few seasons ago. Remember?

Jason:

Try

Smith:

to go after,

Pershin:

but

Jason:

I mean, I hear you. Yeah, you try to, but if we're already saying they don't have a good enough team to win the Super Bowl now and to Sauce actually make them that much better.

Smith:

Yeah. Okay.

Jason:

He didn't make the Jets better

Pershin:

with

Jason:

Aaron

Pershin:

Rock. No, he did. You just couldn't tell'cause they were that bad.

Jason:

That's my point. Like,

Smith:

well, the cols are not that bad though.

Jason:

Okay. But if their wide receivers go down and they have, I mean, I get it. A I Mitchell wasn't gonna move the needle, but it just like the next people up are.

Smith:

Like that's a decent, they got decent depth, depth wide receiver. I, we'll see.

Jason:

I do. We'll see. To me it sounds like if somebody's, they're mostly,

Smith:

they, if somebody's, theyre mostly in larger like 40 What, what 41 personnel as well.

Jason:

Call me a packers guy and double tight. I hate, I hate people who stir the, who stir the pot and it's, oh, I hate this team, so I'm going to, I feel like he's kind of been a let down this season.

Smith:

Who

Jason:

sauce?

Pershin:

No,

he

Smith:

hasn't.

Pershin:

I just, last year, last year he had kind of a down season, but this year he spent back on his shit. He's been back on his shit this

Smith:

year. This year he's, he's locked.

Jason:

Okay.

Smith:

Okay.

Jason:

Well, I mean

Smith:

because he knew he was about to get trained.

Jason:

That's my point is like, I I, if he, he's only gonna play how he wants to depending on the situation. No, it's not every player. Like there's a lot of players that will play a hundred percent no matter the situation there.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

It's not every

Pershin:

player cam scatter.

Jason:

That's all I'm saying.

Smith:

I mean, you're just, yeah. The, the excuses you're making, you gonna make, make

Pershin:

better. I mean, I get where you're coming from.

Jason:

I disagree.

Pershin:

It's a, it's a lot to, to give up. And if you end up missing the Super Bowl this year, you're gonna feel like, oh shit, we gave up too much and we didn't get the payoff. I, I see what you're saying. I just don't mind it. I, I probably wouldn't even give up the two firsts myself, but I don't mind it. Especially if you're sitting there and you're thinking like, what's a cult? What's a Colts fan gonna want? They want'em to go for it, man. Fuck it. Fuck. We'll figure out the future. In the future.

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah.

Smith:

And if they resign him,

Jason:

I don't blame them. I mean, do what you wanna do. That's just not the move I would make.

Smith:

I mean his next,

Jason:

that's all I'm saying.

Smith:

Contract could probably be, yeah, pretty large. He'll fine with them. I mean, it's worth it. It's worth it.

Jason:

I mean, who knows, he might, Daniel Jones might suck next year and he'll be pissy, might be another stuff on this. Good.

Pershin:

They're gonna pay him in the off season, so he'll be fine.

Jason:

Mm-hmm. Oh, right. He'll be fine for one more season. Alright. And then the Jags upgrade. I mean, Jags look good. Jacob Byers. I don't,

Smith:

I mean, that's just like a neutral move in

Jason:

there. Yeah. Because, well, they needed some wide receiver help. I mean,

Smith:

cause Hunter's

Pershin:

down, hunters down. Brian Thomas Jr. Has a high ankle sprain. Brent Strange is still out apparently with the He was,

Smith:

he's gonna be up for Yeah. For a while.

Jason:

I mean, Myers wins that trade all day.

Pershin:

Yeah. I mean, he's been wa out since Jacobi Myers wanted out before the season even started, so he's definitely happy about this.

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah. And then what I think is a winning trade the Seahawk, Scott Rashi Shahi fastest, fastest man.

Smith:

I don't think, I don't think that, that doesn't move the needle for me.

Pershin:

Oh,

Jason:

I see. Moves the needle for me. I, I think he'll be able to. To stretch the field. I think it pretty good for them

time

Jason:

and I think it

Pershin:

helps big time. I, I think he's gonna, he's gonna basically butt Cooper Cup right out of the, the rotation there. Like he and, and two wide receiver sets. Cooper Cup is playing ahead of Tory Holt Horton at least most of the time. But I think what's gonna happen now is Cooper Cup's basically gonna be the fourth option, and he has, he just has not been that good this year. And so to, to replace a guy who's clearly on the decline with Rashid Shahi, who's still like in the sort of prime years I think it's great Rash. Shahi is a, a really good wide receiver. He's, he is not elite, but he's a difference maker. He will move the needle for that offense.

Smith:

Yeah. Wake me up when it happens.

Jason:

Wow. Wow. Man, Panther, that's a Panther fan. That's why he hates, he ate Saint, but

Smith:

yeah, Bob watched him. He's just, he doesn't move a needle for me.

Jason:

Yeah. Well, I mean, we go, we gonna watch Sam Darn just sling it to him.

Pershin:

Yeah. Oh yeah. And he's,

Jason:

he's

Pershin:

a, he's a deep route sort of specialist. And Sam Donald highest EPA in the league. And passes that go 20 yards or, or longer or greater, I guess it

Smith:

is that, is that area yard or is

Pershin:

that Yeah, just, yeah, area Yards.

Smith:

Yards

Pershin:

As in like a depth, depth of target.

Smith:

Yeah. I still don't move the needle. Sorry. I like, darn, that's just don't like shahi, just, wow.

Jason:

Alright man. That's all the trays. Was there one that I missed that y'all had, that y'all saw? Or was that, that was pretty much, it wasn't a whole lot of action.

Smith:

Is that a joke? I mean, the Cowboys got some guy, so they got the linebacker from the

Jason:

Yeah, Logan Wilson.

Smith:

Yeah.

Jason:

Who knew? Yeah. Again, from,

Smith:

that was a bit, that was Jerry's big deal.

Jason:

Yeah. That or was it Queen? We couldn't tell.'cause he said next, tomorrow night, and then,

Smith:

yeah.

Jason:

Yeah. The first one that came across was Logan Wilson. So I was like, is that, was that his big plan? Like that was the one he was alluding to the day before.

Smith:

He probably saw people talking trash about it. And he is like, all right, I gotta make a big,

Jason:

I gotta make another.

Pershin:

So so here's the thing, Smith, you're a Panthers fan. I, I think the populace already knows that part. Panthers by hook or by crook, or by some, which I spell somewhere are a winning football team. And does that make you Smith, not necessarily Panthers fans in general, but that, does that make you feel like they should have been buyers at the deadline?

Smith:

No, because they, they aren't contenders. They, they've, they've already, I, I predicted about five or six wins this season. And they've, they've already, they've gotten there. And you know what? They're gonna win some more. I think it's completely possible by the Monday night game when they play 49 ERs in three weeks, they could be seven and four.

Pershin:

I mean, that's a playoff record right there, right? Or that's a team that's likely to hit the playoffs if you're seven and four at week 11.

Smith:

Yeah, I, I think, I think this team, they have to beat, they have to beat Tampa Bay at least once and then Hope Tampa Bay loses a bunch of other games. They have to win a division in order to be a playoff team. I don't think this is, they're gonna have a good enough record for a wild card.

Pershin:

Really.

Jason:

I could see them being nine wins.

Smith:

That's not gonna be good enough for Walker. Or

Pershin:

they could be more than nine wins. They could be 10 wins. I think that they could easily be 10 wins. I, I think it, it's possible that 10 wins also isn't enough for wildcard, though. It depends on how, how things shake out. Yeah.

Smith:

I mean that's completely

Pershin:

with the the NFC North mostly. But I just, I just wondered what, what you thought about the trade deadline, given how you guys have sort of out outpaced expectation there.

Smith:

No, I mean, I, I don't think they should have been any buyers sellers too. Nah, they can't, they just, they just paid him too much money. The only thing they could have done is maybe get rid of D Rico. But I think they're just keeping on to him just to maybe save mileage on, I

Pershin:

mean, they need, they've been riding Rico to win. Rico has been putting the team on his back.

Smith:

Yeah. Yeah.

Pershin:

I mean,

Smith:

he's, yeah, I mean, he's, he's the best, best runningback

Pershin:

in NC. He's been phenomenal. I mean, what, what a weird story. The guy couldn't even get on the football field the first three or four seasons of his career. He's in like season six or seven, and he's, he's, he's got them fresh legs

Jason:

and he is on his

Pershin:

second team, and he's like the best fucking running back in the league right now. I mean,

Jason:

or

Pershin:

second. It's amazing. Watch watching the him play after play break. Tackles, juke dudes. I mean, and then he's on the sideline, like cramping up every other play or something, and it's like, what is going on? They need to test his ass, man. Growing, growing. He's juicing

Smith:

growing.

Pershin:

He's juicing.

Jason:

Probably, man, probably. Alright. Another team that probably should have been buyers at the trade deadline was the Chiefs. They, they reportedly asked for Brie Hall and wanted to give up a fourth rounder. And they, the Jets came back and said, third rounder. And chiefs said, Nope,

Pershin:

that's crazy to me that grace isn't worth. And and this is with Pacheco hurt too. It's like, this is, that's wild to me.

Smith:

Reem Hunt, just on a straight

Pershin:

decline. They, they, they've had reports for a couple weeks now that they were looking to add quote explosive running back to the roster ahead of trade deadline. And then they were as close as, we wanna pay you a fourth. No, it needs to be a third. And they decide, oh, a fourth is fine, but third's not. Come on man. Just pay the fucking third man. Get the guy on your.

Jason:

Especially

Pershin:

for, he's good. That would've been, he's good. Yeah. I

Jason:

Not good season.

Pershin:

I don't get it.

Jason:

He's good. Yeah. That's wild to me. All right. And then since we talked about the Panthers beating the Packers, that game was wild. I can't believe we lost, I did not expect him to win with a game winning field goal. Although I did say to to Smith while we were kinda watching, I said, this looks like a game we're gonna lose. And we sure enough did. I don't know what happened, man. I think we just play down to our talent, to the talent on the opposite team. We got the Eagles.

Smith:

Nobody giving Carolina their credit. I get it.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

They really have not gotten credit. Maybe you have already heard this stat, but this stat actually blew my mind. Second team, in the history of the league

Smith:

since 1970,

Pershin:

second teams, since they've been keeping these stats. That has gone at least nine games in a row as the underdog each game, and yet has a winning record in that, that that span. So either, either they're getting wow, super lucky, or they're just one of the most underrated teams we've ever seen.

Smith:

No, I think we're just above average and we've been playing really bad teams for the first front of our schedule. And granted, we, in thinking about it, we should, should have beat the Cardinals. But they goofed that game up, so they should have one more win than what they have now. Yeah.

Pershin:

Could easily be six and three right now.

Smith:

Yeah, but I mean, they, they, you see them against like the really good teams like Patriots and Bills and they just get completely blown

Pershin:

out. Yeah.

Smith:

The Bills game was

Pershin:

wild.

Smith:

They still have that one. Huh? They still, yeah. I just think they're just above average. But that's good considering how bad they were the last two years. They're actually ahead of schedule.

Pershin:

Yeah. What, what do you think is the biggest weakness with the Panthers right now

Smith:

of defense, especially to run defense and, and the, and the line, the line doesn't get any pressure at all. It's actually, it's, it's pretty abysmal. The, the pressure. They, and also the, well, on the opposite side of pressure, offensive line, like, I don't know if you saw the stat, they had it up, it's like the most combo of offensive linemen in the league this year. And like, they just keep, it's a rotating door of linemen because they keep getting injured and hurt. Yeah.

Jason:

But Bryce Young, you know,

Smith:

Bryce Young is the, not the guy. He he trashed.

Pershin:

I know

Smith:

he's a, he's a game manager. I'll give him that, but

Pershin:

I mean, he could just be a late bloomer. Right? It's a Sam Donald was a late bloomer.

Smith:

It's

Pershin:

Baker was a late bloomer.

Smith:

We'll see it in the next coming games.'cause teams are gonna stack the box for Rico and so he's gonna have to win it by his arm

Pershin:

and we'll see if that's fine. I mean, if he, he would throw, throw it a Coke, man, maybe.

Smith:

Yeah, the Coke hits.

Pershin:

I, I thought they were gonna play coker ahead of Legette and it looks like Legette is playing ahead of Coker, which is annoying.

Smith:

He's back in the good, good graces. He's actually starting to play kind of decent. He's, he's he's doing things.

Pershin:

Yeah. The, the numbers have been there. The stats are up for the good. I haven't actually been watching his plays, but I

Smith:

he's not dropping balls. Not while he was earlier in the year, but now, now he's, he's doing well.

Pershin:

Okay, there's the Pine Pony Panther report.

Smith:

Yep. Pine Pony Panther report. Boom. They're Panthers are okay. They're not great.

Pershin:

They don't deserve to be, they don't deserve to be underdog in every single game they play though they're underrated.

Jason:

I think what's crazy about this game is when you look at the Packer side of it, they're top 10 in offense and defensive. D-V-O-A-D-V-O. How do I can't D-V-O-A-D-V-O-A. And when you actually look at the, the statistics here, you know, just the game score, you're like, how do, how does Rico Dodo get 130 yards and Bryce Young, only a hundred? Like, it's just kind of like. What the hell. You know what I mean? It's, that just feels weird to me that

Smith:

this game was interesting. If you, if you look at it by the stat sheet.

Jason:

Yeah,

Smith:

that's what I mean. It's like Green Bay won pretty much every single stat and yet they still lost.

Jason:

Yeah, that's what, that's what, that's why I'm saying is it's just stupid. It is wild. It's crazy. So yeah, man. I mean, we'll see, we will see if, I mean, give Panthers credit. I mean, they, they came into Green Bay and won the game.

Smith:

Yeah, they did. They did something,

Jason:

you know, so We'll, we will see what,

Smith:

oh, we didn't talk about it took a craft though. That's gonna affect Green Bay going forward.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

Yeah. He went down with the torn ACL.

Smith:

Yeah. Carolina ER strikes again.

Jason:

Luke Musgrave, Luke Musgrave gonna have to step up and catch some balls. Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs. I mean, the thing is, is we have the players to supplement from craft being out. It's just we need them to,

Pershin:

yeah,

Jason:

make those plays, you know, catch the ball in the moment. I mean, Dobbs had a great game, you know, almost nearly a hundred yards. 10 targets, seven catches. Josh Jacobs was almost a hundred yards. I mean it like, it looks like when you look at it, it's like, alright, this is a typical Green Bay game. This is looking pretty good. And then you look at the score and you're like, how do you only get 13 points? So that's just something that, it's an anomaly. I don't, as a Packer fan, I hope we can generate some more offense because that's, it's been a big, big problem lately, is where we either get started late or at some point in the game. We just stall and we have to. Find the part

Pershin:

that surprised me honestly, when I was looking through the box score and I saw that the Packers had actually converted nine of 14 third slash fourth downs. So it's like mm-hmm. Oh, they were like extending drives and still they didn't put any points on the board somehow. So it was, it was definitely a weird, weird game the way it played out. But I just think the Panthers are gonna be fine as long as they just keep feeding Rico. He is on some shit right now. They should test him.'Cause I think he's probably cheating, but

Smith:

heavy.

Pershin:

If he's not cheating, they're not suspending him or whatever, just keep feeding him the ball because I.

Smith:

Oh, they did. They did just find him. Mm-hmm. For two pumps. The two pumps. That's why

Pershin:

I saw his response to that. He, he had, he had such a serious response too. He was like, we talked about this in team meetings. My understanding is that you're allowed two pumps for real. And I think that I was cheated here.

Jason:

They counted it too. They count the group of'em counted it. It is so funny. Oh, that sucks though. That sucks that the league find him for that.'cause like he's going out of his way to kind of be like reason and try to have, so I just

Pershin:

don't understand why you,

Jason:

he deserves,

Pershin:

I don't understand how you look at that and you say like, oh no, we can't have this. We can't have all this fun. Like, let's make sure that we stick it to this guy. Like, come on dude.

Jason:

I said no key and peel skits on my football field. Stupid

Smith:

clown

Pershin:

shit.

Jason:

Okay. And then I wanted to hear y'all's thoughts on the Bears and Bengals shoot. Absolute shootout. What a game between Joe and what a game.

Pershin:

That was amazing. There was absolutely no defense to be had in this game. And

Jason:

yeah, because neither team has a

Pershin:

defense. Dude. T Higgins came, showed up to play in this game. There was like three different passes where Flacco pretty much just, just did a punt with his arm where he just throws it and lets it hang way up there. And he's like, let's see if my guy will come down with it. And t Higgins was just Moss dudes. Just absolutely

Jason:

his first catch, his first touchdown catch was where he mos the receipt, the defender was, and how he, I don't even, like, it didn't even look like he looked up for the ball. It just looked like he just, yeah.

Pershin:

That's one of the best catches of this whole season, I think is mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. It's just, it's just wild how, how, how thin the line is between Flacco having like a six interception day and then having this, which 470 yards and four touchdowns. I mean, really a lot of these two picks, a lot of these are literally just, I'm just throwing it way up in the general area and I got Chase and Higgins and so they're just gonna keep winning. And it's, it's weird, but I mean, it kind of works too, you know what I mean? It's like it keeps them in every game, I think.

Jason:

I mean, this is one of those games where everybody got a little bit of taste. Yoshi, Yoshi got some action, man. He had a pretty decent game for him.

Pershin:

Yeah, that's my boy.

Jason:

That's your boy.

Pershin:

Thank you.

Jason:

Mm-hmm. And, and then, you know, we finally saw, oh, I think a little bit more of what Ben Johnson has to offer the bears. I mean, that was. That was a great game by Caleb Williams and, and company.

Pershin:

Yeah. Yeah. The

Jason:

so

Pershin:

him coming in and, and revamping that offensive line has really worked out for them. Like the difference between last season and this season and the run blocking is like night and day. Like he basically has the

Jason:

Colson Loveland had had his coming out party.

Pershin:

Yeah. He, he, he did.

Jason:

That was

Pershin:

a hell

Jason:

of

Pershin:

a, he also looked like a human pinball on that big 50 yard touchdown party. Again, the Bengal's just refusing to tackle people.

Jason:

I mean, we say this every time we saw this coming when they constructed that

Pershin:

roster. Yeah. We literally said like, this is, you're gonna have to put up 30 and 40 something points every fucking week because there's no resources going to the dit.

Smith:

Well, how much longer are they gonna be able to do that? Because it seemed like behind the scenes offenses they're tired. They're tired.

Pershin:

Yeah. Chase Brown.

Smith:

Really?

Pershin:

Did you hear the Chase Brown? They were

Smith:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pershin:

I He's like, just go win the fucking game when we put up 40 something points.

Smith:

Yep.

Pershin:

He's like, that's my feeling.

Smith:

Yeah.

Pershin:

And that's my feeling.

Smith:

Not good times.

Pershin:

We put on 40 something points and there's 30 seconds left. Go win the fucking game. That's how I feel. Okay. I said, damn. I say, uhoh, you. And the media is constantly stirring that pot too. And when they're interviewing, when they're interviewing the offensive players, they're like, they're like, oh yeah, the offense is doing so well. And then, ah, you know, it's like the defense can't quite close the deal out. How do you feel about that? I'm like, damn. What do you expect him to say,

Smith:

man? Said, what the fuck? Quote me on that.

Jason:

Oh man. And tweet that. Yeah. Oh man. And then Daniel Jones turned back into a pumpkin for one game. He

Smith:

turned back into Daniel Jones.

Jason:

Yeah, he turned back into Daniel Jones. Daniel McBrien Jones. Three interceptions. One touchdown. Worst game of the season. I would, I would, oh yeah. Say for him,

Pershin:

he also had two

Jason:

fumbles for sure. That's right. I forgot about He

was

Pershin:

responsible

Smith:

for five

Pershin:

turnovers on his own.

Jason:

Who else are they gonna put in there?

Smith:

They got oh, they draft, they drafted a guy this year.

Pershin:

Oh, that's right. They got Riley. Leonard.

Jason:

Oh, see?

Smith:

Yeah, that's correct.

Jason:

I like Leonard. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I like Leonard. I forgot about him. Look at that.

Smith:

I don't think he was very good in the preseason.

Pershin:

No, they said he was like firmly the third behind Richardson, which is, you gotta be bad if you're behind Richardson. Oh,

Jason:

not right now. Yeah, if you're behind Richardson, you, you might be a

Pershin:

wide receiver that, I mean that's not necessarily that out of character though. For rookies to like to look bad, their first preseason is, that's normal a lot of times.

Smith:

Yeah. It's pretty normal.

Jason:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Smith:

But you know what's crazy? There were only seven point, they only lost by seven points and they still turned the ball up six times.

Jason:

Yeah. That's just how anemic that offense is. On the

Smith:

Steelers, they have five wins, but they're gonna fall into the playoffs.

Pershin:

They had, they had 27 points in the game and they had 24 points off of turnovers. Yeah.

Smith:

Yeah. They're gonna get shellacked when they, when they, when they go to the first round of the playoffs, they're gonna get shellacked.

Jason:

Yeah. We got, they got chargers, Bengals, bears, bills, Ravens, dolphins, lions, Browns, Ravens. That's es pretty, you talking about Steelers. Right.

Smith:

So they will get into the playoffs, but man, mm-hmm.

Jason:

I don't, man, that's, that doesn't look easy to me. I mean,

Smith:

chargers is tough. Bengal's easy. How do we feel about the Ravens?

Pershin:

Are the, are the two Raven matches? Tough?

Smith:

Ravens are the defense.

Jason:

Yeah. But Yeah. But you gotta remember, they're probably gonna split split with the Ravens, because the Ravens, Lamar Jackson look good last, last

Smith:

week. Yeah. But they, they have no defense. Zero defense.

Jason:

Yeah. But the Steelers can't score

Smith:

on a neutral fi, you know. Good. And well, the Ravens are gonna be win. They, they'll end up winning. They, they'll end up winning division probably, honestly, if we keep it 100.

Jason:

I got them.

Smith:

And then they're gonna get, they're gonna lose by 30 in the playoffs and then everyone's gonna be like, ah, the time for Tomlin to go. The answer is yes.

Jason:

I think they'll get the 10 wins. They'll win five more games. They end the division five more

Pershin:

games. It's just wild how it's yet another season where their team feels literally below average. It is. And somehow you just know that Tomlin's gonna have them in the playoffs. You just know it.

Jason:

Greatest coach in the world, greatest coach.

Smith:

How Tom has passed him by? He just, he just one The luckiest coaches.

Jason:

How? What do you mean? Dude, he has arguably had one of the worst teams, the last three seasons. Man, come on. He, dude, he had Russell Wilson and Justin Fields as a starting, we've been over this.

Pershin:

He has magic beans, bro. He's got magic beans in his

Jason:

pocket. Don't you come, don't you come on here with this Tomlin negativity. This is a, I'm, I've

Smith:

always been negative.

Jason:

This is a Mike Tomlin positive podcast.

Smith:

He, he needs to, I'm a Tom, I'm a Tomlin.

Jason:

I mean, I agree that he needs to revamp.

Smith:

I'm a Tomlin.

Jason:

I agree that he does need to do something because it's, it's getting, you're never going to win the Super Bowl by going to the playoffs and losing in the first round. Right? But that doesn't take away from the fact that he's never been under 500. Granted, he had a nice team set up when he, when he got there, but he has coached one of the like, I mean if you look at his last three seasons, those teams were awful, man. They were, they were borderline UFL on offense, ufl. You

Smith:

put any of his teams in another division that doesn't include the Bengals and the Browns. They're not gonna end up 500.

Jason:

Dude. The be, but. The Bengals were, up until Joe Burrows getting hurt were one of the bad teams. They

Smith:

had, they had like one good season.

Jason:

The we, I think we can all agree that the Browns and the Steelers have been bottom tier of that division.

Smith:

No, I disagree. Bengals have had one good year.

Pershin:

The Bengals, Bengals went to the Super Bowl like three or four years ago, right?

Smith:

Yeah.

Pershin:

All right, so they, they're not always asked. You make it sound like they're always asked. They're not always asked.

Smith:

They have been historically, and they, like I said, they had one year. They

Jason:

have been historically, but historically with Joe Burrow, they have been above average the Steelers. They still lose a

Smith:

lot

Jason:

of gain because they have no beef. The Steelers have been below, below average. When you look at the roster,

Pershin:

I think, I think the only reason why the Bengals have had as many losses as they've had in the past few seasons is because Burrow is so often hurt. I think if they have a healthy burrow, healthy chase, healthy Higgins

Jason:

agreed

Pershin:

they're above 500 as a. Like a lock. They're like a lock to be competitive

Jason:

and e and even if they're not above 500, there's still more of a threat to the Steelers Are than the Steelers are a threat to them in the last

Pershin:

couple season? Oh yeah. I I, I have been on the record for like, the past five seasons that I literally do not understand how it works. I don't know what the mechanisms are, but I do know that Tomlin, one way or the other, has his team's competitive. The only thing that I could believe is that he's a witch or he's got magic beans or there's some Tom Foolery, but whatever it is, I just know I'm not gonna be betting against Tomlin. I'm not doing it. He, he, he gets results somehow or another. That's

Jason:

right. Somehow.

Smith:

I mean, he gets results. They ain't great results, but he gets results.

Pershin:

I mean

Smith:

most fans, every, every time in the first,

Jason:

let me ask you this, let me ask you this. Would you rather not make the playoffs at all and be one of the worst teams in the league, like the Panthers and the Browns have, have been, or would you at least rather

Smith:

Panthers

Jason:

have that? Panthers

Smith:

have a,

Jason:

that you can

Smith:

make much better history than the Browns

Jason:

Right? But that doesn't still make them not one of the worst teams in the league. We've been the worst. Currently. We've the worst.

Smith:

Worst. We aren't currently,

Jason:

not today. One

Smith:

of the worst teams in the league

Jason:

in the past five seasons, you've, since Cam Newton left you, you, that team has been awful. Okay. And the Steelers, like if you are a fan, would you rather be bottom of the barrel awful, or would you rather have the, you're gonna make the playoffs and you're gonna have a shot? No,

Smith:

you can't compare the two because you're comparing the Steelers, which have a history of winning Super Bowls to the Panthers who haven't won a Super Bowl. So you can't compare the two.

Jason:

The Panthers have won a sup. They've been to two.

Smith:

No, they've been to two, but no. How many of the Steelers have won?

Jason:

I understand that, but now Tolin

Smith:

did get a Super Bowl losing in the playoffs.

Pershin:

Tom don't

Jason:

get a

Pershin:

Super Bowl though. You can't say that

Smith:

he didn't super

from

Jason:

I'm not, but I'm not asking this question from the Steelers fan perspective. I'm asking this question from a person who has had a team that large in part is negatively thought of and is a losing franchise.

Smith:

Would

Jason:

you rather not? The

Smith:

and Downs are fine.

Jason:

So you wouldn't rather make the playoffs every year and No. If I know

Smith:

I'm gonna lose, what's the point?

Jason:

But you don't know you're gonna lose. That's the whole point of playing the game. But

Smith:

they know they're gonna lose.

Jason:

No, they don't. They have,

Smith:

they constantly

Pershin:

lost. I don't think most Steelers fans believe that they're

Jason:

necessarily

Pershin:

gonna lose, though. I don't think that I, I think most fans really want a shot up

Smith:

on Steelers

Pershin:

fans because

Smith:

they are, a lot of them are out on Tomlin. Correct.

Jason:

That's fine. They can be out on Tomlin, but they're correct. They're not, they're gonna get another coach and then they're gonna be,

Pershin:

when you say like a lot though, you think if you, if you pulled every Steelers fan, I know we can't really do this, but l let's say that you think if we pulled most Steelers fans that it would actually be more than 50% would want him gone. You think that,

Smith:

lemme tell you how I know this. Lemme tell you how I know this. In the area right next to my house, there is a bar,

Pershin:

oh God. One by

Smith:

Jeffrey.

Pershin:

This is gonna be some anecdote.

Smith:

This bar is the closest bar to my house that has golden teeth. I like golden teeth, so I go play golden tea. He does like, he does obviously, because Jeff Reed owns it. So I talk to the people at the bar, a lot of'em are down on Tomlin, just saying,

Pershin:

alright,

Jason:

okay. But the question, that's pretty,

Smith:

that's pretty good evidence.

Jason:

The questions still lies. Would you, would you rather make the playoffs or not?

Smith:

Not, no, because if

Jason:

from no perspective, you'd rather just not make the playoffs and make it once every 20 seasons.

Smith:

I like my good picks in the draft. Okay. I don't get my good picks in the draft if I keep going to the playoffs and losing.

Jason:

Right. But if you keep getting good picks and wasting them, then you're not winning either. Like if you get a good pick and you draft Bryce Young, what? What did he do then? Hey,

Pershin:

T looks good though. Tet looks. Tet Looks like a

Jason:

good, okay.

Smith:

T looks like a monster. Yeah. TT looks good.

Jason:

I mean, yeah, I hear you. I'd rather,

Smith:

Hey, Hey. I actually Prince Human, he's, he's starting to look good in scouring too. They're both coming around quite nicely.

Jason:

Well, so as someone who's part of a team that makes the playoffs often and loses in the playoffs, I much rather prefer to have that extra game every season with the hope that we're gonna make it to the Super Bowl and win it than not even getting a shot at it and trying to get a first round bottom of the barrel. Quarterback who will hope that he's good.

Pershin:

So much random stuff happens that if your team could just make it to the playoffs, they literally could just luck themselves into a Super Bowl. I mean, we have seen, remember, remember when Flacco won a Super Bowl? That was weird. That was weird. They snuck into the wild card and then I think that's

Smith:

over though. I think, I think those times are over.

Pershin:

Are they really though?

Smith:

I think so. I think

Pershin:

so. I mean, it does feel like the, that it's changing the way that the, the Chiefs and the Eagles are constantly back and seems like you Yeah. In the bills. It does. It does kind of, I do kind of wonder myself, maybe I'm starting to believe things are changing and there's actually less parity than there be. Yeah, I

Smith:

think a lot of the rule changes. A lot of the rule changes affect the offenses to perform better. So if you have a much better offense, you're gonna get. A little bit more favorability there.

Jason:

Mm. Angles.

Smith:

It's just, yeah. I, I think and also I think we're, we're, if you think about the quarterbacks, we're seeing play of the game right now, man. It's it's hard. It, I'd say in the next 10 years, it's gonna be hard to compare this compared to previous like Dan Marino Times and stuff. These quarterbacks are insane. Like they're just built differently than those guys.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Smith:

And offenses are just way better.

Pershin:

I mean, I feel like each year it seems like there's one more quarterback that gets added to the list of, oh, you're not, you're not supposed to even attempt those type of passes. And this guy's making this, guy's making cross body, cross field passes. You're not even supposed. You know, I'm supposed to try to throw that pass, but I don't know. I don't, I

Smith:

Plus, I mean, the refs are, refs are, you know, cheating. Anyways, they're on tape. So

Pershin:

plus let's not forget the ever present conspiracy

Smith:

plus that.

Pershin:

Yeah. Plus don't forget that. Also, don't forget, it's all scripted. Yeah. So none of this that we're talking about matters at all. All it just depends on what the what, what, what, what the script says.

Smith:

No,

Jason:

I mean, that says, well, that's fair. The script did say Give Panthers fans hope this season. So that's why Green bay loss,

Smith:

wop.

Jason:

Alright, so looking ahead the next week, the big game of the week, I guess everybody will say is the Packers versus the Eagles on Monday night. Green Bay is somehow a two and a half point favorite probably'cause they're at home after last week's debacle. We'll see if they truly do play to the talent on the opposite side of the field.'cause they'll probably come away and at least keep this game close and probably score a lot. The offense is probably gonna look great. We'll see, I don't know. I'm distraught about that filters game, like offense just look like trash. I'm annoyed by it. And it, Hey man, Steelers chargers could probably be a good game. You know those magic beans? Yeah.

Smith:

Who Rams Niners Battle of California.

Jason:

I, I'm not that interested in, in, in those two squads, but yeah, that a good, I think the Rams win, man. We'll see, I think the Rams gonna come away with that easy. I think the 49

Pershin:

ERs

Jason:

are so

Pershin:

decimated with injury that it's you,

Smith:

they need to do a documentary on that team.

Pershin:

They do

Jason:

what? The 49 ERs?

Smith:

Yeah, because Shanahan killing all his

Pershin:

players. He keeps running them up the middle.

Smith:

Somebody needs to take a piss on his

Jason:

list. Listen, Hey man, Hey listen man, I'll take any, any shade that could be thrown at Kyle Shahan. So let's, let's exploit all of him. The whole thing.

Pershin:

He's just living under

Jason:

Mike's

Pershin:

shadow man. Mike won those Super Bowls with the Broncos man.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, I mean, are we looking forward to the Col Falcons? There's no, there's

Smith:

no other games to look

Jason:

forward

Smith:

to.

Jason:

Plenty of other games, bills, dolphins. That should be close, right?

Smith:

Browns jets, man, lemme tell you.

Jason:

Oh yeah, I mean, I heard that

Smith:

actually. Patriot Patriots Bucks.

Jason:

Well, I did hear the Browns Jets game. Got got moved to 4:00 AM on two B television.

Smith:

That should be on Tub B. Catch it on the cw.

Jason:

Yeah, they just, they're trying to give that game away for people to watch. It's like, I mean, Patriots Bucks. Yeah, that'll be good. Hey Jaguars. New offense. New look. Offense with a wide receiver.

Smith:

Yeah, a good, it's a good defense into Texas.

Jason:

Yeah. We can really see what T Law is made of.

Smith:

Yeah. Well, I'll just say Christian

Pershin:

Kirk, revenge game you have.

Smith:

From what it looks like this Sunday. If you need to clean your gutters, if you need to go out and do stuff with the family,

Jason:

don't do that.

Smith:

Do that. And then just watch Monday night. You'll be fine.

Jason:

Yeah. No lion commanders, Steelers, chargers, and Monday night, that's, that's Monday night. That's every game looks great. You got fantasy.

Pershin:

Just go, go by some fried Oreos from the Coastal Carolina Fair. Ooh. Get a, get a stuffed alien for your wife. Okay. Or your girlfriend or whatever.

Jason:

All right, well, let's wrap this puppy up. As always, you can hit us up on the social medias threads. Instagram, Facebook at Pine Pony Podcast

Pershin:

and live journal. You forgot live journal. Find us on live.

Smith:

Grinder. We got a grinder

Jason:

bubble. Oh,

Smith:

oh, oh. Just on a, on a

Jason:

farmer's only

Smith:

on another Panther's note, in case you haven't seen on the internet, former Panther lineman. Matt Khalil.

Jason:

Mm-hmm.

Smith:

He he got divorced and it's, it's because his penis is too big. His, his former wife said two Coke cans. Just throw that out there.

Jason:

That why, that doesn't seem like a divorce thing.

Smith:

She's a small, small, small person. I don't have to tell you.

Pershin:

What do you mean two Coke cans is way too much. That is absolutely divorce material,

Jason:

wouldn't he? I'm not, you know, wouldn't he have had that already when they got married?

Smith:

I don't know.

Jason:

Or did he, like, is there a history of, I would imagine so. Medical surgeries.

Pershin:

I mean, the fact that she said two,

Jason:

no, like he got implants or something. The

Pershin:

fact that

Smith:

she said two, don't implant, be

Jason:

so she knew she was injured, didn't believe there was injury.

Smith:

Hey, hey, you know, you know what they're saying,

Jason:

Ana, I hope gave her no, that, that's it. That's all that was. Keep pounding.

Pershin:

Cokes

Jason:

made in the Carolina. I can't. I can't. All right. Populous, adios.

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