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Say goodbye to the Regular Season and Helloooo Playoffs

• jason strang • Season 3 • Episode 27

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 The hosts celebrate personal wins in their fantasy football leagues and discuss the evolution of their league structures, including a transition to a dynasty league. They also delve into the dramatic happenings of Week 18 in the NFL, providing insights into key games like the Panthers vs. Buccaneers and Steelers vs. Ravens. Amid Black Monday, they review recent head coach firings, including notable names like Pete Carroll and John Harbaugh, and debate the impact of these changes. With playoff matchups set, they offer predictions and discuss potential Super Bowl scenarios. Tune in for an engaging mix of fantasy football highlights, NFL analysis, and playoff speculations!

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Jason:

Welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony Podcast, the all new 2026 edition. Yes, that's right. Still the same emoji as always. Got Persian. What's happening? Winner, winner. Chicken Dinner Fantasy Uncle.

Pershin:

Hey, that's right. I, I was able to take down the championship for the first time ever in our long running fantasy football league, which I've been a commissioner script. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I've been a commissioner of this league for, I don't know, a decade, maybe something close to that. And, of course, I, I write myself in as the, the winner in the, in the script every single year. And nobody pays any attention to the script.

Jason:

They do their own thing. I would say, I would say that your time span should change because technically this is like a new le like it was a standard fantasy football league with like some different rules, right? But then it turned into a dynasty league. So really it's a, it's a new era. Oh,

Pershin:

absolutely.

Jason:

So

Pershin:

yeah, it's, it is really just a third year of the league as a dynasty league. And, and I agree with you, it's, it's completely different ball game that you're playing when that happens. And I'm probably more suited to this one because I like right off the rip I wanted to play it from the long run, from the long view, if you will, or whatever, to the point where there was people in the league just making fun of me. Like, bro, you're never gonna get anywhere with your, your booty ass team. But now finally, I'm primed, I got my championship and I still got a young team, hopefully will contend for years to come and feeling good about it. Gonna gonna get the title, the Victoria, the, the, I think won twice in a row, the first two years of the, of the league. And she's gonna. She's gonna be mailing me that, that championship belt, which I'm excited to you know, show off. So it, it was pretty satisfying. It was. And I, I won the championship in another one of my leagues, also a DY league. That was the first year. It was the first year. And it was pretty fun because it was an auction style draft where I felt like I was able to get some really good P players at a good price in that auction. And it ended up paying off where I had both a young team and a competitive team right off the rip. I'm very happy with how that auction dropped. That went over. My other, my other couple leagues more like middle of the pack, but overall pretty good year in fantasy for me.

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah. You know, who else had a pretty good year? Friend of the pod, he's been on a couple times. Tiger. He won his third championship in the Kansas City League that he and I are in.

Pershin:

How long has that been going?

Jason:

How many years in? I, it was going before I joined, but I joined in, I wanna say like 2012. Oh, okay. So this is a nice lot Legacy league here. Yeah. Decade. Yeah. And, and we have, we're a little bit different. So they, they play standard rules, so no PPR and the difference is, is it's a keeper. And then if you lose, which I, I, I garnered the last place position for a second time in this league. You get a name change. So somebody gets to choose your name. My last one was Watson's first masseuse. And then That's right. I

Pershin:

remember you telling me about that.

Jason:

The other thing is you have to draft somebody and they have to stay on your roster the entire year. So last time, oh, you can't drop'em for the entirety of the season. Right. So last time, oh, I love this. And, and then when the next year we do the draft order, you know, everyone who made the playoffs is, is seven through 12, and everyone who didn't make the playoffs is one through six, and then those are randomized separately. So the last time I was the last place, the next year I followed up with a a FA first pick overall taking Antonio Brown, which led me to a ash. Oh, I had the draft. Ben Rosberg, he wasn't on the team. He retired, right. And so I ended up winning that year. But it was an asterisk because if you remember the Buffalo Bills guy, you know, had, oh, that was the DeMar Hamlin season, right? Yeah. Where it didn't finish the game. And so I pitched people had to figure out what to, yeah, I pitched a fit and I said, no, I was gonna win that game. I want, I want to go again next week. I'm not splitting this. And so I, then the next, we went, agreed to to play another round in fantasy for the next week. And I ended up winning by like 30, 40 points or something like that. And so now I, I, I've, I hate the asterisk because it's like, you know, I still won fair and square, but whatever, nonetheless.

Pershin:

And as I recall,

Jason:

you were, the league league got a lot of history.

Pershin:

You were likely to win that week anyway, and then you dominated the week that ended up counting. So I don't understand why that needs to be an asterisk at all. If anything, it's like you, you double proof that your team was, you know, by winning the next week also, but

Jason:

with a handicap on the roster. So, you know, hopefully, fingers crossed this season year.

Pershin:

Yeah. With a retired player on the

Jason:

yeah,

Pershin:

that's, that's pretty cool though. But anyway. And now that, that one is a keeper league, is that right? Or is

Jason:

Correct

Pershin:

is my mistake.

Jason:

And this is the one, if you remember correctly, I was already gonna lose, so I picked up Malik neighbors and stashed him in. I Oh

Pershin:

yeah. That's gonna feel weird.

Jason:

So he'll be my, you real

Pershin:

good when he starts scoring points for you. Yeah.

Jason:

So like, I'll get him in like the last round of the league or something like that.

Pershin:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, even if he. Doesn't play for the first week or two, which he probably will, but even if he's not ready at the very be, he's still worth way more than the final round. Right. You know what I mean?

Jason:

Right.

Pershin:

It's amazing.

Jason:

Well, alright. Fantasy talk, you know, ups and downs, but let's get this puppy on the road. Let's start the show officially. Alright, so we're gonna start off with college football. Did you watch any of these playoff games by chance?

Pershin:

No. I just saw the scores and I was shocked at how lopsided some of these games were, but unfortunately I did not get to see these guys playing, so I don't

Jason:

know. I watched the OSUA little bit of OSU Miami complete surprise at how bad OSU looked Miami looked like from the jump. They wanted it more. And they prove that. And one thing that I will note that I don't ever need to see again is Michael Irvin taking his belt off and, and beating some Oh

Pershin:

my,

Jason:

some anonymous poor Gatorade jug. And it's like, the problem is, the problem my has with it is like, bro, you're 60 years old and you're like busting a sag now. Like come on man, it's too much

Pershin:

code. This, this poor guy was obviously on something and I am sure he, he woke up, up from this bend, I'm sure he woke up from this bender, quite embarrassed at the videos. And I guess these videos went viral'cause why wouldn't they?

Jason:

And so, right. He's been doing it all season.

Pershin:

It's oh, has he?

Jason:

Yeah. This isn't the first spanking he gave like a set of bricks, a spanking deal on one game man, CTE Man. It's the first. So do you think so I just watched the I, I shared a clip with you of Chad Ochocinco and Shannon Sharp on Shannon Sharp's podcast, which also, he's gone off the rails too, so it's like same era, similar eras. It's like, man, CT is a hell of a drug.

Pershin:

Yo, I'm telling you, it's like I, so many of these guys I feel like are getting worse and worse. I mean, Michael Irvin literally had a commentator position on

Jason:

Yeah,

Pershin:

the, I think it was CBS's NFL game show. The game day crew or whatever. I think recently he got booted and now you kind of see maybe what they were seeing. Yeah. Because he had allegations

Jason:

of the coach.

Pershin:

Yeah. And now you can kind of see what they were seeing behind the scenes and they're like, they, they can't, you know, if he's going down this path, they might as well. And, and I, I don't think it, I don't think it's necessarily drugs with Shannon Sharp, but it seems like every year he says a little more weird shit than he did the previous year. And I mean it,

Jason:

well,

Pershin:

the takes are just getting

Jason:

wild. He just looked interesting. He, he just looked like, like he's like an old man trying to recapture his youth. He's got like, you know, the beanie on top of his head. He is like barely on, you know, and he's like, dude, how old are you? And then he's like, sipping on something, I don't know, probably alcohol. And then you got Chato Cinco on there and he's pronouncing Raleigh Rale or Rale. Yeah,

Pershin:

I saw that. Cookies. Yeah. Like what, who, who doesn't know Raleigh? Like who, who has not heard of Raleigh, North Carolina? Like

Jason:

apparently, I was just thinking. But nonetheless, that's just wild. Back to the college seat, Michael Irvin, he did it again. Took all the attention back onto himself. And then so another playoff team, despite their loss, JMU, their entire offense hit the portal and most of their defense hit the portal after what most would say the best season they ever had. Like,

Pershin:

I mean,

Jason:

that's wild.

Pershin:

I, I'm not sure if they're like a big school with a big fan base, but like, insofar as you're a fan of this school, you're pretty butt hurt, right? I'm like,

Jason:

yeah. I mean, they put up 34 points on Oregon. They could have won that game. They, it was 51 34 loss.

Pershin:

Oh wow.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

And that, and that's the same Oregon defense that looked really good the next week, right?

Jason:

Yeah. Where they beat Texas Tech 23 0.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

Yeah. So

Pershin:

that's, I mean, that's pretty, i's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

It's

Jason:

and, and then another game that that happened this weekend was Alabama got that ass whooped. 38 to three.

Pershin:

Yikes, bro.

Jason:

And then yikes. Man. I will say the old Miss Georgia game was amazing. Absolutely amazing. One of like, I was rooting for Ole Miss the entire way. Wanting to win to just be like, f you delaying Kiffin.

Pershin:

When the, when the head coach does that to you, man, it's like, come on, you're the underdog now. This like, I feel like bad news bears the sandlot, whatever. Fucking little giants, man. I'm like, I'm hoping that they, I'm hoping that they could you know. Oh well.

Jason:

So the final four is number five, Oregon versus number one Indiana on the ninth. January 9th at six 30 or seven 30. I don't know if that's my time or your time. And then ole miss number six, ole miss versus number 10, Miami on the eighth at same time. So I, man it's interesting to see only one SCC team. Left and it was Ole Miss who doesn't even have a coach.

Pershin:

It's the one that everyone, including their head coach, left for dead.

Jason:

Yeah. And it is, it is just, it's just, you know, it, again, it makes me wonder, it's like if the SEC wasn't propped up by ESPN in these fake preseason rankings, would they actually have been this dominant thing? Now, I don't take anything away from Bama, but I'm like, if you look at the history of it in like the last 20 years, it's, it was like Alabama one and then Georgia one, and maybe a few sprinkled in LSU here, here or there, but at Auburn one time, but a large in part, it was one or two teams that dominated during that whole time, and they still wanted to call that conference. The best in the, in the country, despite now that we're seeing that you can pay players across the field, the playing field has been leveled and they're still propping them up with these rankings and yet they get into the playoffs and then they get 38 to three curb smash 23 to zero, you know?

Pershin:

Yeah. I mean this is, this really just further bolsters your argument that, that you had about these preseason, preseason rankings just being a detriment to actual competition and fairness. Here, you know, it's like, it just e, even if you wanna say by the end of the season, people don't care too much about them anymore. There's still like a lingering bias that happens when you say, okay, on paper. Yeah, like, not necessarily like their, their performance or you know, how well they actually executed, but on paper, this team is supposed to be the best team in the nation. That, that has a, a, an effect on people's subconscious, where even if they know that, that they haven't performed to the level that they should have, they still believe that talent wise, they're the best. You see what I'm saying? Right. That coaching wise, they're the best or whatever it is, and I just don't even think that, that, that's legit. I just don't even think, especially not nowadays with the NIL and, and talent's getting spread out, frankly, it's getting spread out more than it has ever before and I just, I feel like, I just feel like it, it's, yeah. Yeah. We've already, we've already talked about this, so

Jason:

we've had some, I, I won't

Pershin:

waste time, but

Jason:

moving on, moving on

Pershin:

another week, another bolster to that argument, I'll just say that

Jason:

I did, I did watch another game and it was Clemson versus Penn State. Clemson looked, I honestly, both teams looked absolutely terrible. But to be expected when both teams, I think were missing 20 something starters. So

Pershin:

yeah. Yeah,

Jason:

just another bowl game and I

Pershin:

mean, both teams are, are pretty disappointed and, and just not that, not that passionate about get going out there and getting a win

Jason:

for, I will say so. And then current Clemson News, they have hired Chad Morris back as oc so we'll see what that brings. Not too exciting of a hire, to be honest.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

I mean, but there's, go ahead.

Pershin:

By the time, by the time he had left, correct me if I'm wrong, but by the time he had left, you were basically happy that he was going right?

Jason:

No, he didn't. So on, no, on me or. Anyone? I think

Pershin:

so you, so then you think that this is a good hire, even if it's not spicy, like big sort of sexy pick,

Jason:

you

Pershin:

still think this is

Jason:

probably for the

Pershin:

better.

Jason:

I, it all just depends on, and his offense, like there's one flip side of the coin where you could say, okay, Dabo probably trust him more than Garrett Riley. So maybe he'll leave the play calling more up to Chad Morris. And that's a, that could be a stretch or this is another, I see what you mean. Another Dabo, this is just another Dabo guy and it's gonna be S office. If he say to

Pershin:

him and he stays out of the kitchen, maybe that's for the better. I see what

Jason:

you mean. Could be, but then, you know, like I just said, the other side is this was the guy who kind of, him and Dabo. Or the one, you know, got the ball rolling

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

For the championship. Yeah. And then, you know, and then he's failed everywhere else he's been other than high school.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

So

Pershin:

yeah, I see what you mean. It, it, it very well may be that he does really tru trust Chad Morris, but it could be that he really trusts Chad Morris to do whatever he wants to be done with the offense. You know what I mean? Like

Jason:

Right.

Pershin:

It's kind of like the, the Jason Garrett Jerry Jones thing where it's just like, oh yeah, yeah. I, I have full faith in Jason Garrett that he's going to run things the best way possible. And by that he means he has full faith that Jason Garrett is literally going to implement whatever he thinks is the best idea. Right, exactly. It's like, it's like I'm sure you do, but it's not, that's not what we were, what, not what we were really getting at with that question. But, it go, go ahead. If you had more to say on it.

Jason:

Nope, I was just gonna talk about the portal.

Pershin:

Okay. I was gonna say before we move ahead too far as far as like next week's games go and the playoffs or whatever, I did see,'cause I've been checking into a lot of the mock drafts and I'm starting to get plugged into like the draft nicks and the scouts and that. Yeah. And the you know, Todd Che and j Jordan Reed and all these guys. And it looks like the sort of cream that's rising to the top from the NFL perspective is this Dante Moore kid from Oregon and Fernando Mendoza, who just won the Heisman. Mm-hmm. We don't know a hundred percent, but it's expected that both of them will declare and that both of them will be first round sort of talents that'll go early, really early in the draft. And so here is a chance to get a look at them in and obviously a really important bowl like situation on the same field at the same time. That is a game that I am going to try to watch. I think that that's going to have like real, real sort of impact on how NFL teams see these guys bumping up or down their boards.

Jason:

Yeah. That should be a really good game. I agree. Yeah. So Clemson has hit the portal. Apparently they picked up a linebacker, a CC Player of the year, linebacker. Oh. And a defensive back. I think. So.

Pershin:

Love to hear

Jason:

it. Yeah. Love to hear it and that what about stuff for college, work, the portal, work, work, that fucking portal. So moving on to the NFL, let, let's start off with a, some fun facts of the end of the regular season this year. We've only got two. One is the Jets are the only team in history to have a season with no interceptions. And that was this season. First time ever. First time,

Pershin:

absolutely. Wild. Yeah. And

incredible.

Pershin:

Just to give everyone a good idea of how rare this sort of thing is, is that this is one of the oldest stats anyone has ever kept for the league. They started tracking interceptions 1930, almost a full century ago, and nobody, wow. They, they used to play seasons with fucking 10 games and shit. We are playing 18 game seasons in the Jets. Couldn't, you didn't get one, get one single interception to entire 18 games. Okay. And on top of it, to make matters worse is that for the month of December, which is when most teams like start to figure out what's going wrong with their defenses and, and how to, you know, sort of mitigate. Right. The jets have the worst point differential, meaning they got beat by the most points in December than any team has ever been beaten in December. Mm-hmm. And it is, it's so bad that you, you wonder if Aaron Glenn, even in a bad situation, if he should just be like one and done. Because even though he was given a, a bad hand here and. Most people expected that he would get a lot of leeway. This is historically bad stuff, and the team actually just kept getting worse as the season went on. I think there's no question he lost that locker room. And I, I, if I'm, if I'm the owner of the Jetsman, I'm probably just, I'm sorry man. One, one is enough for me,

Jason:

bro. Woody Johnson just gotta sell the team, man. Just, he, he

Pershin:

needs to sell the team. He needs, he, it seems like every decision he makes is, is bad. Awful. Is a bad

Jason:

one. Awful.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

The worst.

Pershin:

And it seems like a lot of people that have worked with him in the past have a bad taste in their mouth. I mean, this guy, it, this guy's bad news.

Jason:

Aaron Rogers Sure does.

Pershin:

He's he does.

Jason:

Alright. And then the next fun stat I have is over the past four seasons, all of the Florida teams, the Buccaneers, the Jaguars, and the Dolphins. Have the same record. 35 and 33.

Pershin:

Oh, that's that. I hadn't heard that one actually. That's, yeah, that's kind of interesting. Something going on in Florida, man.

Jason:

All taking turns sucking each year. Alright. And then well the end of the regular season means Black Monday is upon us, was yesterday actually as the, as as of recording of this podcast. So let's go through the new candidates that are now available for positions. Raheem Morris out in Atlanta. What do you, how do you feel about that? I don't, I feel like that's too soon.

Pershin:

Yeah. I, I think that most people are actually on your side of this argument. For me, it was like. A botched takeoff from the jump. Like as soon as he got in there, they did the Kirk cousin signing, which was iffy because they gave him a ton of guaranteed money while he was still like, like just trying to sort of recover from the surgery he had for his Achilles and seemed like a, a bad move just on its face. And then a couple months later, of course, they, they take a quarterback in, I think it was top eight pick of the draft. And they, they then. Trade up with the Rams so that the Rams actually have their pick next season, which is gonna be like a top 10 pick. And for a, a guy in James Pierce that most people thought was a, a decent prospect, but nothing, nothing like, that's really gonna move the needle for your defense. And, and sure enough, we have seen that, that he's an okay player. He's solid. But it's like, this is, it is like you gave up that, you know what I mean? And especially now that, that, that's a top 10 pick. It's like I, I hated those decisions and supposedly they were all. In on it together. I don't know if that's truly true.'cause I think sometimes the GM says, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. And then, you know, they go to the podium and they say, oh yeah, it was my idea and I'm, we, we worked on it together. You know, I, I don't know to what degree these decisions were Raheem Morris's or just the gm, but they certainly took credit for these things together. And so I think they should take accountability for them together. And I really don't mind them getting fired because I think that these were just. Really bad moves to the point where someone like myself, who's never run a an an NFL team before just sitting on the couch can see like, obviously this is not a good way to spend your resources. This is not a good idea. You, you, you make a bet that doesn't make a lot of sense with guaranteed money for Kirk Cousins, and then you make another bet on top of it and it's just like, I Yeah, no, I I, I would have fired them both the moment they did that.

Jason:

Oh. Well, the problem is, is the plan didn't go the way it was supposed to. This was supposed to be an Aaron Rogers, Brett Fve or Aaron Rogers Jordan Love situation where Kirk Cousins would probably was supposed to play. Two, three years. And then Michael Pennix Jr. Would then play in his like, final year of rookie contractor, whatever, and Kirk Cousins would ride off into the sunset. And then Kirk Cousins tore his Achilles. And I think that that shifted things forward. And so I would've, I think they should have at least won more season. You know, I'm not, you know what, you know what, there was so much talent on this roster, like Raheem Morris, like should have at least made the playoffs, especially in the NFC South, where the, where the team looks going, gets you in the playoffs. Nine. Yeah. Right. And I could see why that he's, they were fired, but. I think they should have been one more season and see what happens. But anyway, you know, so the GM's gone and the head coach is gone and then down in Dallas, Matt Eber, flues was a one and done DC I mean, I just don't like, again, what do you expect them to do? Yeah. When you get rid of talent.

Pershin:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean the, the, the, the Cowboys actually did something pretty similar to what the Bengals did and saying like, okay, we're gonna pay the fuck out of Dak and we're gonna pay the fuck out of CD lamb, and we're not gonna be able to bring back a lot of these guys on defense. And they, they saw that how far away they were from. What they were willing to pay for Micah Parsons. And he made it very clear that he wasn't gonna play any games with them. You know, they're, they're gonna pay him his money, or he is not, he's not gonna be at practice or the facilities or yada yada. Right? So they made the decision to trade him away, which most people think is horrible. I don't think it's that horrible just because I don't, I do honestly think that they don't feel like they can afford him. And so if you, if you feel like, look, we just can't afford a player this, this caliber, then you might as well split him up into several different, more solid players or something like that, which is what they're attempting to do with the first round picks. And Kenny Clark and, you know, it's, I feel like it's probably the best they could have done, given that they're trying to avoid the sort of. New Orleans Saints cap hell sort of situation n Now, the thing about the defensive coordinator though is that from, from his perspective, you have to understand that he's working with shit talent. And it's been like this for like four years in a row. This is actually going to be the fourth straight year that they fired their defensive coordinator at the end of the year. And it's like, are all of them really that bad that there need to be one and done? Or maybe are they just working with shit talent? I think it's it. They just haven't been investing that much into the defensive side of the ball. And so you have to expect that your defense is not gonna be that good. Like

Jason:

Very true. Very true. And so then Cliff Kingsbury, he resigned as Washington's oc, he's pre pursuing other options. He's probably looking at the landscape, like surely I can get a head coaching gig somewhere.

Pershin:

Yeah, I, I, I think the people were really impressed with his sort of comeback to the league and what he was able to get out of Jayden Daniels first year, and a lot of people basically mm-hmm. Gave him give him a lot of leeway for this past year because not only did, did Jayden Daniels get hurt, but Deebo Sandal and Terry McCluen, most of their offensive line, a ton of injuries, Austin Eckler got injured. They're like week one, right. So it's like, it was I understand why a lot of people are, are still kind of hot on Clip Kingsbury. To be fair, he did legitimately like, kind of scrap his, his offensive scheme that he had back in the day, and he really did. Get pretty creative and, and try a lot of new things that he's been doing. In DC I don't know that there's a lot of NFL teams that wanna bring him on as a head coach, but I think that when you look at how many, like big time schools with really deep pockets have openings at the college level, I think the kind of money that the coaches are making at the college level is probably a point point also. Yeah, that's a good, is probably also enticing to him. So he's thinking well between all of these openings as of Monday and the college landscape with these really rich schools with openings, it, there's kind of a lot of outs, you know?

Jason:

Yeah, yeah. Completely agree with that. Next up we got Pete Carroll, head coach of the Raiders. So get this, this is the Raiders since 2021. John Gruden resign. Josh McDaniels becomes head coach in 2022. Josh McDaniels is fired in 2023. Antonio Pierce becomes interim and then head coach in 2024, and then also fired in 2024 at the end of the season. And then Pete Carroll becomes head coach last year and is fired the very next year. So like, it's just one of those areas, like how do you expect an head coach or anyone to change anything if over the last five seasons you've, you've fired every, how about stop making stupid hires?

Pershin:

Yeah. You, you know what else is really crazy and go goes along with the really fun stats at the end of 2025, is that the Raiders next season? Are still going to be paying every single name that you listed plus their new coach.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

They, they were for a brief period done with paying Gruden and he sued them and now they're re repaying him again.

Jason:

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Pershin:

Because they tried to get outta their guaranteed contract that they had, they had like a 10 year guaranteed contract with him. Fucking idiots.

Jason:

And then some,

Pershin:

excuse my French,

Jason:

this, this firing may be a surprise to some, not to us, on the pony. We discussed this over chat like as yesterday, Sunday, Sunday evening or whatever Monday night after the Monday night game that John Harbaugh probably was time for him to be let go, and he officially got let go today. And supposedly, supposedly seven teams called his agent. Now if you're doing the math, there's only six teams, minus the Ravens who have fired their head coach. So that means there's a team who has a head coach that called the head

Pershin:

coach, at least a team, perhaps

Jason:

more teams, at least one team. I mean, we

Pershin:

have seen, but we have seen before that there's like, sometimes there's a flurry of firings on Black Monday. And then as teams kind of get, get acquainted with the candidates that are available out there, then all of a sudden there's a couple more openings. So some some gamesman ships going on, I'm sure of it. But interesting, interesting that seven seven M hit him up and there's only supposedly six openings. So doesn't surprise me at all. Tan tampering as league. I will, I will give you your flowers though. When, when you brought up the, the thing about Harbaugh, I was like, nah, they're not going to, they're, they're gonna give him some leeway on this season. It didn't go well, but I mean, he's got a pretty good track record. They're at Baltimore and I was wrong. They're, they're like, nah, we're done. So

Jason:

it was just time. It was just ready, man. I mean, you're, you, you've had Lamar for how many seasons? You had King Henry last season, like this season? No. Mahomes in the playoffs. And, you know, you, you had your, you should have won that game. Like there's no reason the amount of mistakes that the Steelers made in that game. You should have won. We'll get into that game in a little bit, but let's continue on with the head coaches. I'm saving the best for last. Next up, Jonathan Gannon, the Cardinals head coach. I mean. That's not really a surprise. Are you

Pershin:

surprised? I, I'm not surprised because you, like, it's a results league and if you're not getting the actual wins, no one gives a fuck. But I will say as someone who doesn't own an NFL team, I do give a fuck. And I, I think that this is probably like one of the best, if not the best four win teams that I've ever seen. Every game that they were in, right, they were in, like, they were competitive in every single game they were in. It's, they kind of remind me of the chiefs where it's like they're not actually as bad as their record. It's not that they're great. I'm not saying the Cardinals are great, but I kind of like what Gannon was trying to do. I kind of like what Gannon was trying to do with the offense and the offensive line. Like they need better players up front, but. I mean, once they got a guy that could see over the offensive line, all of a sudden the of offense was much better. You know, I kind of saw what he was trying to do with his scheme, and I, I would've given him a little, a little bit of leeway myself, but the results weren't there. He can't argue with poor results.

Jason:

Right. He guy hates Kyler Murray, especially his height. No. Right.

Pershin:

I don't hate midgets. Okay. I'm pro

Jason:

midget. That's right. That's right. We support Midget wrestling

Pershin:

and midget tossing.

Jason:

Last but not least, finally, the Browns must have heard the Pony, and they finally fired Kevin Stefanski. Incredible. Thank you.

Pershin:

Take, take, take your victory. Love. You've been, you have been campaigning this for, I feel like you just got like elected mayor,

Jason:

dude

Pershin:

of Cleveland just now. I mean, because you, you have been talking about how fraudulent those coach of the year bullshits were, dude, so fraud and how he actually sucks and he's not gonna turn shit around. And

Jason:

dude, I mean, go back and look. Killed Baker Mayfield's career. Killed it. Killed Deshaun Watson's and killed old

Pershin:

Al Beckham's career.

Jason:

Killed od Beckham's. Like the dude cannot, cannot, cannot coach up QBs. He, he can't do it. It is, he's terrible at QB talent. I mean, look at how much better Baker's done since like being a Buccaneer even, even this year. I mean, I would say he still had a better year than. Most seasons as a brown.

Pershin:

Yeah. I, and someone was talking about this on, on the radio the other day, and I thought it was actually a really good point. And they were like, this was actually before Stefanski was let go on Monday. And they were like, I think Stefanski should be let go. Because the thing is that they are going to want to get another quarterback in there, even if they kind of like shado. They, they, they want someone in there to compete with him for that job. And the problem is that Stefanski actually hasn't done anything with these young quarterbacks. And I was thinking like, wait, what is this Stefanki? Isn't he like, kind of like a, an offensive guy, like a quarterback guy, like a passing game sort of specialist or whatever. Right. Exactly. But, but he went, but he went through it and he said he like, he's like, when you look at the best quarterbacks in s Stefan's era. In Cleveland, whether you look at completion percentage, EPA per play, yards per game, wins and losses, everything. The best quarterback has been Joe Flacco, who did not learn under Stefanski completely came in with all his own sort of training and knowledge of the NFL game and defenses and everything. The only guy that actually got results in his scheme that was above average as far as the league go, was a guy that was already played his entire NFL career and was back on his couch. And so you can't say that Stefanski built him up. You see what I'm saying? So it's like,

Jason:

oh yeah, a hundred

Pershin:

percent. It's, it, it's like you start to realize like, yeah, actually I don't think he is, like, he isn't getting the most out of these guys like. All the guys that's been through there since he's been there maybe they haven't been all stars, but they've been guys that people thought had talent, like good prospects, if you will. Right. And the fact that he never quite got what they were supposed to be out of any of them you start to think like, okay, the common denominator is this guy who's supposed to be a passing game sort of expert or whatever, you know? And so maybe he does have some good ideas as far as X's and o's go, but it's pretty obvious. He's, he is just not getting, is not getting the most outta these guys.

Jason:

Well, and not to mention his hatred for Shado Sanders goes back to his dad and Dion Sanders.

Pershin:

So, man, that whole situation is just so weird. Man. It's so weird. It's like, I. You gotta think I, I like, obviously the results haven't been great anyway, when you look at wins and losses and play off appearances and shit like that. But you gotta think that the sort of rift between ownership said, okay, this motherfucker fell long enough, you need to draft him and Stefanski basically not wanting anything to do with him. You gotta think that that's part of the friction too. You know what I mean?

Jason:

Oh yeah, a hundred percent. Dude, that's the Browns all right. And then the two people that were retained, Josh hin, again, not sure why, but we've beat that horse to death. And Zach Taylor, head coach of the Bengals, again, I don't see why, I mean, this is the best that you're gonna get with the Bengals team the way it's currently constructed. So it is time to rebuild with every, everything. Maybe you can get something better, a more defensive minded guy. I don't know. But yeah, I agree. I don't see why he was this gotta be his last year I think I would think. And last thing I'm gonna say about, since we touched on the, the Bengals it's gotta be Josh Allen's year, right? To win a FCI mean, to, to make it to the Super Bowl. Like there's no Mahomes, no Lamar, Jackson, DeMar, no Joe, bro. All he is gotta worry about is Bo Nicks and Trevor Lawrence.

Pershin:

You've got Unc, you've got UNC Rogers, you've got a, a very inconsistent Bo Nicks. Yeah, I mean, like you said, the. The most competition he is got is Drake May, who funnily funny enough is ba is basically like a baby. Josh Allen at this point. He plays the game kind of similarly to Josh Allen, and he's been, he's been really good first two seasons. And to be honest with you, if you're comparing just the start of their careers, Drake Mays even outperformed what Josh Allen was doing. Not to say that he'll continue to get better every year the way that Allen did for basically five years in a row, but just to say like, Hey, this could be, you know, this could be like the, the sort of this era versus the coming era maybe, you know?

Jason:

Yeah. Yeah.

Pershin:

I, I think the, the team that's actually coming into this like. The strongest and, and perhaps like the healthiest with their key players is actually the Jaguars. They're on a hot streak. They're playing with confidence and they're all, their most important players are, seem to be completely healthy right now. And I really like the, the Jaguars. I think you're getting a ton of plus money. If you wanna like bet. Who do you think to win the A FC and who do you think to win the Super Bowl? The Jaguars are way, way underdogs and I, I don't think they should be. I think the A FC in particular is just wide open right now. Any of these teams would not shock me if they actually got through because there's no juggernauts this year the way that there usually are, you know, all of these teams have these like. You know, glaring sort of weaknesses or blemishes on their record. Some pretty ugly losses for all of these teams.

Jason:

Sure, sure. Yeah, I mean that's, I think that's everything. So if I'm a

Pershin:

betting man, I'm just betting on the team. That seems to be the hottest right now.

Jason:

Alright, so let's get into playoff talk. So week 18, we had a couple of scenarios. So the Panthers and Buck Game Panthers needed to win to solidify the NFC South. And but they lost. And so they needed the Falcons, the Saints, to beat the Falcons, which the Saints did. Therefore, the Panthers are in. However, though I will say there was a controversial call in the Panthers bucket of years game. That set up a 54 yard miss field goal attempt, which ultimately would've won the game for the Panthers. They called on the field a backwards pass, I believe, or something of that nature. And then they took a look at it, calls stood, or they called it an incomplete, I don't, I can't remember. But anyway, it backed them up and they shouldn't have been backed up. Like the call was wrong.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

And they shouldn't have been backed up. And they were, which ultimately resulted in not getting the first down. So there's some shenanigans by the script.

Pershin:

The officiating in that game was absolutely dog shit. It was very bad. And to be honest with you, even with that call that really helped the Panthers, I actually think the Panthers really got the worst end of the officiating in that game. There were several calls in the first half that were just like egregious and they were exclusively helping the Buccaneers. I don't know that that either team really looked to me like they, they were playing well, but if I, if I, if I really had to make a judgment on which team I thought actually played better, it actually was the Panthers. But the cookie, the cookie did not crumble that way. They ended up losing a game that they needed to win and you know, they lost to a team that wasn't even playing that well. I mean, this is like the NFC South. In a nutshell, this was such a good microcosm for how the entire league for, I don't know, five seasons in a row, has just been trying to play hot potato. Like, oh, I don't wanna win. I don't wanna win. I don't wanna win. And this was basically like a a, a race to the bottom when it was supposed to be a, a game showcasing who was gonna be the best of the best in the division. And it's like, bro, this is, so, it, I mean, it's just, I don't know, man, that I hope that Tyler Shook is the real deal and they finally get a team that deserves to be in the playoffs, in the playoffs next year because none of these teams should be in the playoffs. Man.

Jason:

Awful. Awful. And then the other game, Steelers versus Ravens, and this game was quite the game. Rogers at one point he wanted to take off and run, and then I don't know if he realized in his head that he wasn't as fast as he once was, but he immediately started trying to fake, fake pump, fake the throw, and started running towards the sidelines. And I was like, this came right after he overthrew a completely wide open receiver, just completely overthrew him. Oh yeah. And I was like, that was bad. Roger single, Roger single handedly caused that series right there. And then Boswell missed the extra point at the end of the game, which could have set up. I mean, it was just like. I, I even said, man, this, this went exactly how the script wanted maximum drama at the very last day, regular

Pershin:

season. There was a lot season, lot of drama intention at the, at the end of the game. It, it was an entertaining game to watch, especially since I'm not, I'm not invested in either team. I think for the fans of both of those teams, there was a ton of going on because I mean, a lot of botched opportunities from both sides of the ball. And when Boswell missed that extra point, like before the Ravens even got the ball back before they had the really nice like kickoff return, I was thinking, man, that probably cost them this game because a field goal wins now rather than sending it to overtime. And I was like, man, you know that, that that hard balls got a couple of these sort of. Down the field, sideline plays or whatever, and all they need is to connect on one to get in the field goal position or wherever. As it, as it ended up happening, they easily got into field goal position to the point where they probably could have ran another play to get a few more yards. I'm, I was actually surprised that they decided not to. I think, and I don't know this, I don't think he said this a in the post game, but I think what was happening was that they, they had the ball basically right in the middle of the field, and so rather than run another play for another few yards, I think he was thinking, oh, if, if this ball is dead center on the field, that's going to be more important than having it a few yards closer or something like that. So that's probably what he was thinking. Which makes a bit more sense. But as it turned out, he missed, he missed the 44 yarder. And what's crazy is that he hadn't missed anything less than, I think 49 yards, something like that, the entire season. So when it mattered the most, he ended up botching it. And you could see on his face, like he was really, really upset. I think he was crying, you know, I don't wanna embarrass the guy, it's none of my business. He was crying, but tough moment, really tough moment for him to, to miss it there. And just like that the Ravens missed the playoffs and Harbaughs out. Harbaughs

Jason:

out. Yeah. But before that, the series, before the Ravens series, right before that where they, they scored like, I think at one point the Steelers had, had got a turnover and it was like, I was like, oh, this game is over. Steelers are gonna win. And them. They give the ball, they get the ravens, get the ball back, and like within three plays, go down and score. And I'm like, good. The Lord, this defense can't even like hold'em up. And then it's like a minute and 30 something seconds left. And

Pershin:

the Zay Flowers play was wild. Mm-hmm. Like, it was a completely blown coverage. Like, I don't know what happened with the cornerbacks and the safeties or whatever, but somehow there was absolutely nobody that was on him at all. So he just ran free for I, I think like 60 yards to the touchdown. So it was just like, wow, okay. Are you guys even trying to win this game right now? It was, it was just weird. And not only that, but the, the Ravens toward the end of the game, I can't remember which series it was, but they also had a blown coverage where I think it was Kel Austin. Why had I asked Open, open, way down the field. So it's like, I, yeah, it, it was a lot of drama and it was entertaining, but it was almost like it,

Jason:

they were trying

Pershin:

to play in

Jason:

the script.

Pershin:

It was entertaining, not because there was so much great football play plays being made, but rather it was entertaining just because it was like, wow, like how much blowing coverage is and missed.

Jason:

Neither team wanted to win a division.

Pershin:

Yeah, it was weird. It was weird, but

Jason:

yeah. So going into the playoffs, a FC, we got the Broncos with the Buy first round. First, first team. Then we got the Patriots versus the Chargers. The Jags versus the Bills, which that'll be a good game. Jags Bills,

Pershin:

yeah.

Jason:

And then Steelers versus the Texans, which. If I, if I had to say a team that's probably likely to upset another team would be Texans over the Steelers. I wouldn't necessarily call Bills over the Jags being an upset, only in the sense because the bills are playing on the road, but real reality is the jags of fire. We, I think the bills could beat them easily. But,

Pershin:

oh yeah. I mean, you, you've seen several games this season where it feels like Josh Allen just takes over and the defense mm-hmm. Just can't quite do anything about it. It's almost like he, it I feel like Lamar Jackson can be like this sometimes too, although not so much this season. Is that like, when they're on, like when Josh Allen is in the zone, it's like you just can't do anything about it.'cause he's so, he's so big and strong as a runner and then he has such a strong arm to get, get passes, like in these really, really tight windows. You feel like your zone coverage is perfect and he still just fits it in where it shouldn't. It shouldn't go. And then, you know, the receivers aren't getting any separation and he still just throws it Exactly right to their outside shoulder or, or, you know, and it's just like, I could totally see the bills ending up being the team out of the a FC just because, you know, defenses have a hard time. It's actually the team that I'm the most afraid of in the A A FC because I feel like we always struggle against the bills. We always struggle with Josh Allen last year. We, and that could

Jason:

be who you see.

Pershin:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know. And, and the thing is, like last year we, we, we faced them in the wild card and they beat us handily. And it basically was all about, we just had no answer for Josh Allen. We blitz him and he beats the blitz. Literally runs underneath, dudes trying to sack him, runs around, dudes trying to sack him, and then we don't blitz him. We drop into coverage and he just sits there 10 seconds and then finally either finds the open guy or just runs for 6, 7 20, whatever it is, you know, scrambles. And it is just like we, we definitely struggle against him, certainly when he is on his shit. But I think that between, between the bills and the Jags, whoever wins that game is probably gonna be in the driver's seat.

Jason:

I think the only game that's not gonna be good on the a FC side is Patriots Chargers. I think Patriots have potential to just run away with that game. Otherwise I think the other two games are gonna be close.

Pershin:

Yeah.

Jason:

So officially, who you got coming out on the A FC Patriots Chargers. Who you got?

Pershin:

I got the Patriots, I got the Texans and I've got the Jaguars.

Jason:

Okay.

Pershin:

Yeah,

Jason:

I got Steelers, Jaguars, Patriots.

Pershin:

Okay. It's pretty, pretty similar. You'd like the

Jason:

Steelers.

Pershin:

Yeah. I'm riding

Jason:

a little bit more than I do,

Pershin:

but Hey, I can't blame you. He does have some magic ass being

Jason:

and so you'll end up playing the Steelers. So would, in that scenario, in my scenario, the Broncos would play the Steelers and yours, the Broncos would play the Texans. Which, which matchup do you like better?

Pershin:

I had rather play the Steelers than the Texans.

Jason:

Yeah. Okay. Right, right. All right. Moving over to the NFC Seahawks. Get the buy, and then we've got the Bears hosting the Packers, the Eagles hosting the 49 ERs and the Panthers hosting the Rams. I think these can all be really close games, but I also think some of them, two of them, could potentially be blowouts. I think the Rams have a potential to spank the Panthers.

Pershin:

The Panthers. Hosting the Rams feels like such an injustice, doesn't it? Like the Rams have been for the most part a really good team this year. And I know that the Panthers did beat the Rams, but that's just Panthers. They do weird stuff and they beat really good teams. Yeah, the thing, it, it's just wild though. It's just, it, it's just, it's just funny.

Jason:

I think the 49 ERs Eagles game I am, I'm not interested in that game. I wish they both could lose. I just think that's gonna be a really boring game. And then obviously Bears Packers Packers picked up Trayvon Diggs and you know, who got released and, you know, one game, so far so good. Highest rated packer to start his first game, although it being the Vikings, whatever. Fine with that. Yeah, JJ McCarthy. And then, which by the way, max

Pershin:

Bramer half.

Jason:

Right. Which by the way, if you do recall in the text messages, I did say as soon as he was released that the packer should go pick him up, even if he's not gonna be great. We need depth at corner.

Pershin:

Yeah. Yeah. You, you did get what you wanted. So,

Jason:

yeah.

Pershin:

Hopefully he works out. I mean, he, he, I wanna say his rookie year, he actually had a pretty good year and people thought he was gonna be really good.

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

And then he kind of, he's kind of backslid since then. But I mean, I, I don't think it's, it's the sort of guy that you guys are. Counting on to move the needle for you. He's, he's more so a guy that could help out if needed, you know,

Jason:

well that, and I think, you know, him just being released, given another chance on a playoff team, like maybe he gives me a little Raul Douglas energy for like, you know a three, four game thing where it's like he just plays like his best that he's ever played.

Pershin:

Yeah. He's just super motivated to make the most outta this opportunity here

Jason:

for you Right, right. To get another contract. So,

Pershin:

absolutely.

Jason:

So out of these matchups, what do you think, and who do you got coming out of them?

Pershin:

I suspect that we're actually gonna have the same picks here, but nonetheless, I got the Rams. Although I, I would love the Panthers to win. I don't see it happening. I think the Rams are gonna show up in. Do better this time around. I got the Packers beating the Bears just because the Packers on the Bears and that's, that's what the Packers are gonna do. The Bears. Well, and hold on.

Jason:

And they barely, and they barely beat us After they hit, after they illegally hit my quarterback, they still, oh, I just barely beat us.

Pershin:

I feel like that game was a fluke. I feel like that game was a fluke. I feel like the, the Packers the first time around it, it seemed like they beat them really handily. And I think that was more of like, okay, this is the Packers at full strength and

Jason:

listen, we're the most dangerous seven seed.

Pershin:

Are you guys the seventh seed?

Jason:

Yeah.

Pershin:

Damn. I figured you guys would've been middle of the pack somewhere. Okay, well that's unfortunate. But I do think that you guys win and I think, I think it's the Rams, the Packers, and the Eagles. And I do think though that. The, of the teams that are, that I think are going to lose, I think the 49 ERs are the most likely to pull off the upset, if that makes any sense. I think that's the closest game as far as like matchups and skill, how good the team's gonna be able to perform. But I mean, you just can't argue with the how stacked the eagles are on both sides of the ball. It just feels like you just gotta hope that they're all bitching at each other in the locker room and there's so much dysfunction that they can't get their shit together. That's what, that's what you gotta hope for.

Jason:

Absolutely, man. Well, I have the Packers, the Eagles, and the Rams. So no surprise.

Pershin:

I had a feeling

Jason:

Yeah. That we'd have excited to get in the playoffs. Ready? Ready for what? Friday? Saturday. Saturday, I guess the first games.

Pershin:

Yeah. Saturday at four 30.

Jason:

Yep.

Pershin:

There's gonna be two, two Saturday, three Sunday, and one Monday. So

Jason:

yeah. Steelers, Texas. Is Monday

Pershin:

going to be interesting? The Denver Broncos

Jason:

fun weekend,

Pershin:

Sweepstakes is Monday.

Jason:

Yeah. Being that you have the buy, would you prefer to be playing a home game this week? Or do you feel like the buy is gonna help you?

Pershin:

No, I like the buy. I, I think that the buy helps 90% of the time. I think that this, this idea that like, oh, you gotta keep the rhythm and the momentum or whatever. No, I Even if you're

Jason:

the Jags, you don't agree with that. Like they're hot, you don't wanna lose that hot.

Pershin:

They could be part of like the 5% where they actually just wanna keep playing maybe. But honestly man, most NFL teams are so beat up at the end of the year that like even your players that are quote healthy are, they're playing through stuff. You know what I mean? And like to have a week off when other teams are continuing to beat their body up is, is a huge advantage. It really does help. And it's one of those things that is hard to quantify'cause you can't see it, but let giving these guys a chance to recover for a week instead of. The opposite, it further, further injuring themselves for a week. It, it de definitely helps. And particularly that our best linemen, it got injured last game. I think this is really big for him. I mean, he literally has not given up a sack the entire season. And if we have to play without him, it's going to be a, a huge downgrade. It's gonna be a problem. So I, I definitely would rather just have the, by hopefully he's able to play and we don't have to have a backup in there for the next game. So I think he's actually the only, he's the only tackle right or left tackle that's played every. Game this season without giving up any sex at all. So that's how well he's done this year. And I, to be honest with you, I like the guy that would back him up. I don't think he's played a single snap in the league yet, so I don't trust him, so,

Jason:

yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. So last but not least, I have two thoughts on how the Super Bowl is going to turn out. So I've got two conspiracies here. One of'em that I've been spouting all year, Jordan Love Age 27 pack, you know, all the other Packers, greats 27 when they won. Also, the fact that they're playing the Steelers and they, that they could, could play the Steelers also like. What a script for the NFL Aaron Rogers plays, Jordan Love and all of that drama. They'll have like,

Pershin:

yeah.

Jason:

Three months worth of storylines out of that.

Pershin:

Plus

Jason:

the,

Pershin:

the rock and roll parallel, right. The, the legendary 27, the all the famous rock stars that passed away at 27.

Jason:

Oh, I don't remember that one. I just remember that all the QBs were 27 Bart Star. I mean, Brett Far,

Pershin:

so it's

Jason:

Aaron Rogers, and

Pershin:

there's a whole bunch of them. I, I can't remember all of them, but it's like Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain Janice Joplin. I think there's a whole bunch of these rock stars that died at, at exactly 27 years old.

Jason:

Hmm. We also, the other conspiracy or scripts, if you wanna call them, potential ending of the script. We will call this one the, the Peyton cut Broncos versus Panthers rematch possibility 10 years since both teams won their division and that a year they both went to the Super Bowl. So,

Pershin:

and it, it's kind of a parallel too, because the, the, the Broncos offense was really bad, but it was like such a good defense that it didn't even matter. And I feel like that's kind of what's happened this year. Like our offense hasn't been as bad as that season, but it's been very inconsistent and it's been our defense that's been winning us all the games. And so I feel like it's actually kind of a, a similar thing that that was going on that season. That's going on this season.

Jason:

Okay. And to round out the episode before the playoffs start, who do you got winning at all? If you can't say your team, obviously you would have the broadcast.

Pershin:

Oh, yeah. I'm definitely hoping for, and rooting for my team. But what, what does my best judgment tell me is the teams that are gonna make it out of this, it, like, I think it's going to be the Jaguars and the Eagles. I think that's, that's what's going to happen. I honestly think that that's what's going to happen as far as like the team's making it, the Eagles are gonna

Jason:

win at all.

Pershin:

Yeah. I don't even think I like the Eagles. I don't, I don't think I like those players and I don't even like Sirianni, but I just think that they're so stacked and they, they're not even dealing with very many injuries. Like, I just, I just feel like they're. I just feel like they're, they're just the most well-rounded team, and they're just so chockfull of talent that it just doesn't matter the whatever sort of drama they got behind the scenes and Siri's secretly just an idiot or something. I, I just don't think it matters because I think they're just, they just have the best players and yeah, so,

Jason:

so the way I see it, I got the, we got the Seahawks playing the Packers, and then the Eagles playing the Rams. My har my heart is saying that if I couldn't pick the Packers, I think the Rams win it all, and I think that they would play the bills.

Pershin:

Okay. I think that makes sense. I actually think, if I had to guess, what are the, like what are the, the teams with the shortest odds? It's probably the Rams and the bills, I think. I think most people think that those are probably the the best teams.

Jason:

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

Pershin:

We shall see. We shall see.

Jason:

We'll see how it all shakes out next week. And with that being said, until next time, AIOS

Pershin:

Aios.

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