Grief & Spirituality

This episode Christie speaks with one of Australia's most trusted Psychic Mediums - Tracey Dimech. Tracey is a mentor, healer and spiritual alignment coach.

Tracey speaks candidly with Christie about her experience with connecting to spirit and how this helps those deep in their grief.

Tracey is the founder of SINC an online sacred membership community that helps individuals discover and incorporate their own spirituality in a safe and trusted space. 
You can learn more about this space and the work that Tracey does by visiting:

https://www.spiritincorporating.com.au


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Transcript

Please be advised this podcast includes discussions on death, dying grief and loss. If listening to any of the content triggers you please contact lifeline on 1311 14 or for information on grief counselling and support, visit thegriefocean.com.au This is the grief ocean podcast riding the waves of grief with you. Hosted by a grief Counsellor Christie Collard.

Welcome back to the Grief Ocean Podcast. Over the last few weeks we've been discussing the wide and varied impacts of grief we know that grief can impact our thoughts, feelings, relationships and ways in which we view the world. I'm really eager to explore all perspectives of grief. And so today I am super excited to be joined by a highly regarded psychic medium and spiritual alignment coach Tracy Dimech who I've had the absolute privilege of working with Tracy, thank you so much for joining me today.

Thanks for having me. Christie.

Tracey. As you know, I'm a Grief Counsellor and Educator. However, working with grief is a significant part of what you do for many people, I guess who have experienced the death of a loved one they have questions about where and how they are and also what happens next. It would be amazing if you could I guess talk to that and tell our listeners about your work.

Sure. So I'm a psychic medium. I have the ability to be able to connect people who are still alive on earth walking around with those that they've lost in spirit whether or not they actually got to meet them in their human experience, or perhaps they are ancestors that they never got to meet. And the way that I do that as a medium is using all of the different psychic abilities that are available to me so not all mediums have all of the abilities available, but I do so I can hear, see, smell, feel, taste and hang on. What's the other one? What am I said, feel, hear and see. So I have all of those abilities available to me to communicate with loved ones in spirit, including animals. So it's like a it's a real kind of a very real experience for me in terms of sitting here talking to you, Christie is just as much as it is real for me to sit and talk to a spirit and it has been that way my entire life. So for me I've always come in contact with or attracted is probably the better word with people who are grieving because typically their loved ones in spirit are hanging around them. And if I'm around, it's like I've got my light on and it's like a moth to a flame. And so energetically I've grown up with grief being spoken to me, at me, being surrounded by people experiencing it and knowing that I have the ability to be able to relieve some of the pressure that sits inside of grief is very humbling, but I feel it's an honour and it's a privilege to be able to do that. And it's very easy for me to do. So I'm open to do it to anyone who is willing to try if it feels that it's going to provide them some connection. 

Yeah. So you said you've always had that those skills and abilities is that when you were younger, were you always okay with having. Well I've never learned any different. Okay, yeah, my really early memories are all playing with like my my dolls and my stuffed animals in my room. I was an only child till I was nine. So it was just me playing in my room with my adults and my stuffed animals. And I remember other people being in the room but they weren't there but I remember them being in the room and I'll never forget one time where I'd gone to the doctors and I had an infected fingernail and I had this cream that I had to put on my finger and I remember one of the spirits telling me that that cream would help my dolls I infection. So I put the cream on the dolls I because the doll had an eye infection I remember getting in so much trouble spirits they told me to run away. So I was I was three. I remember packing my nappy hamper that was no longer my nappy hamper. It was just like old nappy hand but it was still in the room. I remember packing it with clothes and toys and we lived adjacent to a park with a slippery dip. And I remember just the spirit taking me to sit behind the slippery dip and that's where we would be safe because it would be shelter and that was a and I remember that so clearly but clearly there was no one around. And so life t for me as a young child was filled with things like that and then getting into trouble and being misunderstood but not understanding myself why I was getting into trouble when the people around me were telling me to do it. Yeah, so if you've seen like the movie The Sixth Sense Yeah. Its very much like that child because I don't know that you'd have you can't see it. I don't know what I don't know. You know?

So amazing. Yeah. And it is, I think a gift as you say being able to take some of that heaviness that load of because grief is a long, painful process. Do you observe a shift or a sense of peace that wash over those that I guess come for.readings? 100% of the time, whether it is minute, or whether it is in the most profound way, there is always a shift. And the difference between whether it's my new or whether it's profound is really how ready the person is to receive and to let go of where their grief is at or which wave they are on and where they're sitting on their on the riding of their wave. The shift comes in a like a frequency of feeling where I feel their spirit rise. And what's really amazing about that is being who I am and what I do when your loved one is in spirit. They're always there but they are everywhere all the time. And if you're thinking about them, talking about them, looking at them in a photo, remembering them whatever if you're sending energy to the memory of their spirit, they are there even more so. And the thing is the reason why you might not be able to sense them feel them believe it as clear as I believe it is because you're vibrating too low. And most of the time it's the grief that we feel that we have to sit in, or that we should be sitting in or that we want to sit in or that we must or need or being told to sit in. That keeps us from experiencing the exact thing that we want which is connection with our loved one in spirit. 

So when someone comes to a medium, it gives that person the opportunity to be able to raise that little bit more and have the potential to be able to stop feeling that their loved one in spirit around them which is what sometimes keeping them so low in the first place because they're so desperate. They thought they would have felt their loved one and they're not so they're sad and disappointed and they're hurt and they're angry. And they're thinking, are they there? Where have they gone is my belief, right? It brings up so many questions, but really greed vibrates so low and it keeps you from being able to recognize your loved ones energy when they're around you. And so similarly for the human it also provides relief for the spirit your loved one in spirit as well because they they never want to be the catalyst or the reason for your suffering. And their awareness in spirit is very different to their awareness as a human. So once they've gone through their transition process and they've evolved back into a spiritual being. They know that you're in suffering and they don't want that to you. And all they see and hear you and feel you do is suffer in in their name. And so when you can provide yourself with some respite, some release some you know just some comfort and compassion and kindness for your grief. It allows your loved one in spirit to I guess rest easier and more peaceful as well.

And do you think sometimes we're a little bit we have these preconceived ideas are a bit we're a bit narrow about what you said earlier. I've heard that a lot where you know they're disappointed because I've thought I would connect or have a connection or see them but do you think being open to how we might feel them or see them is important? 

Absolutely.The way that humans think that spirits going to be able to speak to them or give them messages is very naive. It's almost like it is here on earth like do you think like in the human form, it was seen that walkthrough

or? 

Yeah, and I think humans just have a romantic idea of it appearing the way that we see it in movies like you've just said, but ultimately, spirit is an energy when our loved ones have gone to spirit to the other side. They are simply in an energetic form. And so the way that they're going to communicate with you or contact you is through energy. And the two biggest ways that they're going to be able to charge themselves enough with a frequency to be able to reach you is through electricity and water. 

So most of the time, your loved ones in spirit, communicating with you in a kitchen or a bathroom, or the toilet and you're not even noticing you're completely oblivious to it because you're too busy looking for butterflies and rainbows and angels and feathers and coins and all of those things which they do work in that way. But they're communicating with you almost all the time if you're thinking about them and you're missing it because you're too busy looking for the rainbow that didn't appear because there's no rain. Not sunny or like there's no chance or you know you're in a concrete sell. There is not going to be a white feather on the floor or a coin or something you know it's not going to happen. It can happen in knocks it can happen in smells, it can happen in feelings wash over you it can happen in haste. It can happen in lights flickering, it can happen in the tub dripping or the toilet, not flushing properly, it can happen in so many ways and we just dismiss them.

Wow. I was actually telling a story the other day about when I was in hospital with my son who came after Emme and I was just very it was like all my grief just exploded after that because I just been holding on holding on and I thought we didn't know he was coeliac. So he we thought he was dying because that's what you go to. I think when you've had that happen, you know what can happen and I remember lying in the hospital bed with him and this I could smell me smell so strongly and it was so comforting. It was like it was just that this okay, hold on. You know, I've got Yeah, it was amazing. 

Yeah andyou allowed it to be that thing that gave you that comfort? Yeah. And you accepted it. That's one of the biggest things that we as humans need to get better. I think that your loved ones are really trying they know that that's what you wanted, and they can do it. You know, when they say like, oh, I asked for a sign. I don't know if that's like right in front of me that saying yes, I need to ask for a sign or sign up the way there are loved ones and if only humans knew how hard it is for them to be able to break through the frequency barriers for us to be able to recognize them if we could just be open to the smell and just go wow, that's Emme instead of like oh, that was a weird thing that happened and it can't be Emme, no it is and allow yourself to receive comfort from that.

Yeah, it was comforting in a time where I just felt so yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. One of my experiences in the work that I do and it's been very similar to my personal experience, as I said at the beginning people once they've lost a loved one for some people are open to I guess the other side, spirituality however you want to check. Do you find that quite often it's those that may come that really they're not even sure if they believe yet, and is it almost like a convincing bit of a moment where not convincing but you you feel like there's people that just aren't still sure yet until you bring in their loved one.

Honestly, it doesn't happen very often with me, but it does happen. It used to happen in early days as a professional reader. But now I think what I do is more through word of mouth, people's experiences and it's shared. And so it typically, if you're going to pay the amount of money that it costs to see someone like me and you're going to go out of your way to schedule it in. You don't do that if you don't semi already believe it to be true. But in the early days, I remember having a few people that were where the sessions maybe were gifted to them by somebody else to go to come along or they would come along. More so with a sneaky suspicion. That these weird occurrences have been happening and you know, my dad just passed away six months ago. him so there's a lot more curiosity as I suppose to skepticism.

Yeah, because I just find that when we lose someone and it's earth shattering like it's heartbreaking, it's absolutely devastating. And then we start to go there cant, there's got to be more to this. Like what and yeah, do you find that that's where the questions start coming in. And just that seeking of truthful answers. 

Yeah, they'reusually at that level of awareness, where it's like no, there has to be more. It's really what what they come with is a hope than their loved one is somewhere that they are in relief, not in pain, not suffering, that they are somewhere that they can still see them, hear them since them know them, that they're okay and occasionally people will come and they'll just say at the end. Well, this has been really comforting. I can't fully grasp that yet, but this has provided some level of comfort and support to my experience, which is always great, but a death of a loved one or grief in general definitely brings people into a space where spirituality comes hand in hand in the conversation for sure. There's nothing like grief to catapult people and be a catalysts for people's spiritual journeys to begin for them to start seeking something outside of themselves or something more or something further or greater or after.

Yeah, and I love that you said people are searching for hope because I think that's what it is. It feels so final and it feels out of our control when somebody leaves our life and, and I think ongoing connection is just so important. It's what we all want. We don't ever want the relationship to end there.

Yeah. And you know, that's something that I know that you do in terms of being able to keep those connections going and those bonds continuing. It's important just because humans are it's human nature to connect and belong and to share and to be a part of a collective. Yeah, and to love. Yeah, and so when the thing that we were experiencing that with is no longer physically here or no longer exists in the form that it did. The where do we place all of that stuff that that we were bringing to that or putting that we don't know where to put it? So a lot of the time, what we're really asking or seeking is a place another place to fill up or to move into or to grow into or to share into because it just keeps getting returned to us and we can't handle it. It's too much for us. It's too emotional or it's too heavy. Or it's too wild or too extreme. So we're often also just looking for a new place to go for answers and to put ourselves to put our love to put our thoughts and our feelings.

Yeah, that's so spot on, to put our love and to put our thoughts and feelings I know after Emme that's to this day where myself and our family just feel so alive and so love and connected when we do talk about how we do go to her garden or do something in her honour or for her or it feels with her. I've got to a point where I feel like I'm just constantly surrounded by her.

And she's still there. It's just she's not in the physical form that you expected her to be, or wanted so badly or are attached to her be.

Yeah, and that's it. Isn't that that's the hard part getting getting your head around?

Well, absolutely. And we sometimes we just simply don't want to get it. I get it but I don't want to I just want to sulk. I want to be in my own my own sadness and my own grief and suffering and I want to own it and I do that myself. Grief comes in all forms and sometimes the last thing you know what the right thing to do is you know what the best thing to do is you know what, that's kind and compassionate thing to do for yourself but sometimes, whether it is the longer days, months, weeks, or whether it's just today or just this morning or just tonight, sometimes you just don't want to you just want to sit with your grief for a minute because that makes you feel better.

Yeah, yeah. And one of the more powerful things that as a mentor you've taught me I think of it all the time is hold things so they serve you not hurt you. And I know like I felt like I lived a daily day in years of punishing myself because you know there's lots of elements there. Mother's guilt, you know, if Emme can't walk these, you know steps and go to school or have these experiences going to the zoo or seeing the beach. I should be suffering, you know, and that's obviously that's hard and not not helpful. It's certainly not kind to yourself, but and it's not logical. And it's irrational, but that's what great does, yeah, all its forms, whether it's a child loss of pregnancy loss or you know, an infant loss or a parent or sibling or whatever, doesn't matter what kind of what that's a relationship or a sense of identity. Doesn't matter what it is. 

There comes just that aspect to it but we're all spiritual beings having a human experience and that they are dual parts of our oneness. And so just because the human element is here, doesn't mean the spirit element isn't. Yeah, and humans are going to as time moves on, it's moving quite quickly in terms of the consciousness of humankind at the environment on Earth. As that starts to awaken and evolve, humans will start to learn to live with the spirit aspect that still exists all around us. And when you do you get to have those experiences with Emme that even though her physical form of human isn't here, her spirit is and you can still live with that and it feels good and it feels like love and it feels like you're giving love receiving love sharing love. Yeah. And so being detached from the fact that the connection that we experience is only or more heavily burdened on the human element to be aware of that is one step on the process to being able to still experience your loved one.

Yeah, I feel like that was a game changer for me when I really realized I can still do all of those things. You said feel that love have that connection, feel that like utter joy and exhilaration to we still have a connection and a relationship. It's not how I thought it was going to be it's not how anybody thinks it's going to be but it's just changing that.

That's what grief and loss is essentially like at a really simplistic form. It's the difference between what we want, what we think we need what we want what we think we deserve, what we're attached to, what is and the difference is the suffering. When there's a loss attached to that we call it grief. And it's really the grief only exists because we are in that space of loss compared to what we thought we should have or what we deserve. So there's judgment there.

And I also think it was feeling pain for her I really felt wow, like how I remember thinking it's just really cruell, but that's such an interesting perspective. Because it's like a compounded grief because you're grieving for somebody else. You're grieving, like on top of your grief, and that makes so much sense. And I totally get it because I experienced that myself. You know, I too have had two pregnancy losses. And my second son Luca, who was a twin, so I lost his twin in utero. And then Luca was born dead and then was brought to life on the crash cart a few minutes after his birth. So I've had my own experiences when it comes to that mother, child, baby pregnancy situation around grief. But what really helped me in my awareness of spirituality is that baby the two babies that I've lost, they they belong to a soul each they chose their contract, they chose it and just because I don't think it's fair, or I don't understand it, or it doesn't mean that it's not exactly what it needs to be. 

And sometimes on some days through my heavy grief, remembering that it is sometimes really black and white when it comes to soul and soul evolution and how we learn in dark and light. Sometimes I go to that because it's the one thing that helps me stop being so emotionally attached and it helps bring me back to a place where I can function. And sometimes we just need that on the day work days. I just got can't function today. I can't think straight I can't like I just don't want to I can't. Yeah, and you'll do anything almost to be able to get up for the other kids or to be able to go to work because you can't afford to take the day off or to be able to make your partner their lunches for work. You know, to get up and do the washing to walk the dogs just to function you'll find anything and so sometimes in grief, remembering that the judgment of what we wanted for our loved one in spirit is out is just that it's our judgment of our hopes and dreams for them rather than what their soul has chosen. And just because it doesn't make sense to us. It doesn't mean that it's not exactly what has to be.

And I think that's why people do find a lot of peace in search of this own spirituality and they do start to find it and question it following really significant loss, don't they? That made me think of something about like, what happens when they do when we do die?

So from my experience that has never changed. So this has led me to believe that this is what happens. And also it's been you know, it's been confirmed and you know, we as as a medium, we definitely look to other mediums for validation that our experiences are legit. And that sounds so strange, but you know, the way that I see things in the way that I know things when I look to other mediums and I hear them say the exact same thing or see it I'm just like, okay, like I have more confidence because I don't pretend to know everything as gospel or as 100% but I know that after I'm 42 this year and of the 36, seven years of remembering this, it has never changed.

And so what happens is the minute that we let go so the minute that our heart stops beating, we are able to be met with the spirits on the other side who we are most connected to. We can sometimes be surprised by who that is, as opposed to who we think it would be. But we could be met with our mum and our dad or be the spirit or our sibling or a loved one or whoever it might be our children were met with them. And with that comes this sense of no fear. It raises our frequency quite quickly and allows us to transition begin our transition without going Oh shit, I've just died. What's going on? There's kind of the fracturing that happens is filled with a bit of ease and grace because our loved ones are there and all we want to do is run to them.

 So once we have walked to the light, as most people would be able to relate to, once we've kind of sealed that deal in terms of we've accepted that we've died from what I've seen our loved ones disappear. And we go into what when I first was learning through a mentor when I was in my early 20s about terms and phrases and things that mediums use in a professional space. It was described to me as the transition or the healing hotel. And it is a really it's a really kind of I guess, I don't really like the term but you know, it's a good way for people who are visual or trying to grasp some kind of frame of what I'm talking about. So we kind of go into our own solitary confinement but in a good way. And what we do is the first thing that happens is we're released from our physical form. So we if we were suffering physically in our human life before we died, we will recognize that we're no longer in any physical pain and suffering because pain and suffering only exists in the physical form. It doesn't exist in spiritual form. And so we have an awareness that oh, so pain and suffering is a human thing. And that's why I was there. And so if we, if we lived a life that was riddled with physical pain, and maybe we spent our life in a wheelchair or physical pain was a huge element of our identity as a human. The transition of releasing our human body and letting go can sometimes be very, very easy because it's like, saying thank God see you later. Or we can be really attached to that physical form of identity and struggle in that stage of releasing from that physical identity.

Since there is no amount of time that is one one fits all, it really depends on your experience with your physical body and how much that shaped your human experience and your spirit. Once you have released from that physical form, though, we really move into that emotional detachment where we literally see that's where life flashes before our eyes from what people would think, where we see all the relationship bonds that we've experienced in our human experience and we realise that those emotions existed in those bonds. But now those bonds aren't there in that human form that they now exist solely for our spirit. 

So we can only transform as a soul when we interact with other souls. And so our soul has had to release a spirit into a human form in order to integrate and to to have experiences with others in order to be able to grow and expand because it's like, like when you see molecules and things like that, you know, a molecule pure cannot just duplicate and replicate itself without some kind of, you know, it's got to merge with something else in order to create something else. Otherwise, it just repeats itself. It won't create something new. And so, when we go through our emotional detachment, depending on how emotionally attached we were to our human experience, and how much more we have not resolved emotionally, and how ruled we are by our emotions will determine how long we transition through that emotional state. Another element for our loved ones in spirit as they're going through that emotional transition is also how emotionally heavy our loved ones in human still on Earth are. If they're really suffering in their grief, if they're really struggling and debt like in a lot of emotional pain, like that can prolong the spirits transition through their emotional suffering as well. Once we have done that, though, we will then move into our mental detachment and that is the final aspect of the transition in terms of being able to still have that, sorry, that's the final perspective where after this, there's no more human perspective and that perspective shift is, Oh, that's right. I am a spiritual being I was having a human experience and now I must return back to my soul. And then we move back into our soul form. And so that that full length of transition can be done like that, in the blink of an eye or it can take sometimes a couple of days, couple of hours.

But for someone like you who's very or anybody that's very like aware and it's not going to be a great shock. Does that mean it's quicker like does that is the whole 100% Part of it? You'd be like, oh, yeah, here I am.

Yeah, because I'm already fully aware of all of it in terms of I'm so separate from my ego and my spirit, not separate but I that I have identified how they work with inside me. It's like me, myself, and I, you know, and I'm fully aware of all of those pieces. So when when it's time for me to discard this human body, I spend a lot of time in meditation, in spirit form, you know, and as a medium, that's where I see it, Tracy, as in who I am in a human form. I am just literally a meat suit. I sit here and I separate myself and I sit in my spirit in order to communicate with your loved ones in spirit. Tracy and I'm speaking on a second third person, but Tracy is just a conduit or a messenger at that point.

Yeah, right. So is there anybody you would like when you would not recommend they have a reading?

Yeah, I typically suggest that people wait a period of time before they have a reading and that period of time is different for everyone. Really, it's a matter of asking yourself the question why you want a reading some people it's because they refuse to believe that their loved one has died. And so if you're still in denial, definitely don't go see a medium because you're just gonna leave more frustrated. Another is as well if you are experiencing any health issues yourself and you're particularly unwell, don't go and see a medium to speak to your loved ones in spirit and one of those reasons is that as a medium, I need you to build a stronger, clearer connection to your loved one in spirit and so I go through you and up. So if you're not well and I go through you and your connection is going to be infected, you know it's going to be compromised quite heavily. If you're going to take yourself to a medium wait until you're feeling at least healthy that bare minimum. I also recommend don't going to see a medium until you are ready to receive whatever the answers might be to the questions that you have, regardless of what they are. So if you're going to go to a medium, and all you want is validation of what you think, then you probably going to just leave aggravated, frustrated, angry and disappointed. And maybe sad because the mediums job is not to validate a human, any medium worth anything. We'll just not do that. It's not what we're here for. 

I also recommend people definitely do see a medium though when they are ready. Because it is so healing. It's healing for both sides. And it is a remedy for a stage of grief or stages of grief. I have clients who just repeatedly come back to chat with their loved ones in spirit. And they repeatedly do that because it really helps them wherever they're at. And each time they see them or experience them in connection through me. They get something that at the time may not have made sense but then maybe when I see them again in six months to a year, they're like well, you have no idea how much that helped me or it didn't help me at first but three months down the track. It was the best thing that I could have received and I just remembered their words and you know, thank you so much and so no matter where you are on your grief seeing a medium is almost always going to help but it's very rarely anytime Have I ever in the 10 years plus that I have been really you know connecting people as a medium. Never have I ever connected someone and they've gone well. I wish I didn't do that.

How amamazing? Is there a guarantee of connecting?

No, there's definitely not a guarantee. However, I could probably count on one hand that I haven't been able to connect and I was able to figure out why. One comes to mind. I had someone come to the house to do some work downstairs. It was a tradie. And I knew that they were down there but when I'm working I am somewhat oblivious to what's happening around me. And I was doing a zoom client call and this spirit was here and I was connecting it was it was next level as it always is. I had no reason to believe that this wasn't my person on the Zoom calls person in spirit, but it wasn't. And then when I hung up from that call, I can literally remember all the time that I haven't connected because I feel physically ill. I am so upset, so disappointed. gutted, I feel like I've failed like it is devastating for me if I can't connect and that day I was I felt so sick and I was devastated. And then between my next client I was like I don't know if I can do this other client I felt so depleted and lost all my confidence. And so I was like, You know what, I need to get up and I'm gonna quickly I say to myself, I'm gonna have a drink of water and I'm just going to you know, reset. So I went downstairs and then I heard bang, bang bang, and then I was able to confirm that the person that the spirit that had come through was for the trradey. Below. So I ended up emailing that person back and I just said, Oh my gosh, please, you know, come back. Let's do another session, obviously that I have to pay for it. Let's do another session because I'm pretty sure it's going to work and it did. Yeah. But you know, there's almost always a reason reason. And it's not always me, that is the problem. But there can only be three points that it'll be a problem. It's either you that put the client me the medium or the spirit. And it's up to me to figure that out. There is no guarantee however you go to a medium who has been word of mouth recommended to you, then you're better off just risking it and trying it because it's worth the risk.

Yeah. Wow, that's amazing.

And you know, it's worth mentioning as well though, that the universe and your guides have brought you to me or to a psychic medium. You might think that you're going there for something, but you might actually be going there for something completely different. It's just that they needed to get you there so they might use your loved one in spirit as an excuse to get you in front of someone who's got a message for you about you. And it happens quite a lot but I know it's happening. So I will do the message and then I'll connect their loved ones because I know that that's what they came for and they're gonna be disappointed if they don't, but your loved ones in spirit physically cannot stand in the way of messages that are for your highest good. So if you've come to me and the spirit has in the universe has brought you here under the guise that you're going to connect to Emme first before Emme can come through I need to just tell you something that you need to know for you. And then once you've received that me is then able to present herself.

Yeah. And then I guess it's up to the individual if they're open to hear that is it. Well, it depends on the delivery mediums have their own morals and their own ethics and their own standards and their own integrity and boundaries that they will cross and won't cross and so I have part of my integrity. I work for you and I work for Spirit at the same time. So if spirit shares something with me, I don't get to decide that you're not ready to hear that or that I shouldn't share it. I must share it with you. But that's where it comes down to my experience. Me as a human my experience, my compassion, my kindness, my delivery, my execution of how I deliver what it is that I'm saying to you so that you are more likely to receive it, then reject it. And the thing is that I will explain it depending on because I will know whether you're going to resist it or not because they'll give me an idea of how much work I've got to do in order to get you to receive it. But I will know that I've got some work cut out for me so I will draw on all my human experience and just human psychology and connection to be able to deliver the message because I know that if they brought you here you are ready to hear it and the way that I deliver it you're gonna have the best opportunity to to heal or to grow or to expand or to receive with my delivery and you know, that would be very similar for you in terms of being a grief counsellor, you know, the way that you tell people you know, to either receive your information, whatever it is, you've got to deal with a certain level of humanity and, and compassion you can't just just go you know what? You're stuck in the anger state it's time to hurry to move on into acceptance. You know that you can't be a drill sergeant in arms like that. Yeah. Usually if the person's not ready to receive it, it comes down to I draw more on Tracy and I trust that you've been brought to me. I take it very seriously that that role that I have, because I'm the messenger in that point. And for some reason, whatever got you here is so what I've got to say what they've got to say is it meant for you.

Wow. Because grief is just such a there's just so many emotions. I think you just touched on and I just think listening to you and like you say and I can relate to that feeling of when we can feel connected or feel some hope. It's I think what we look for and need is in the human state, isn't that so it's a beautiful, wonderful thing that you do for so many.

Yeah. And when when people do come and they do and get to experience the connection with their loved one in spirit, especially if there are some things that just are undeniably obviously their loved one in spirit, which we try at least as a medium. We try and do that because that's what you want. And we really try and make it that either our mannerisms are the same or we start using the same words or you know, things that are real hits for medium. We call it a hit so when we hit it, the feelings that you experience as the client, they're real to you. Yeah. And so when that helps you start to detach the human from the feelings. And it reminds you of the way that the people made you feel and how you can recreate those ways without them physically being here. Yeah. Through songs or photos or jewelry or poems or experiences, their favourite places if they were food. All we're really looking for is feelings.

Yeah. And that's beautiful when we can find that as you say that that feeling that just feels like you're on a natural high just that that love.

If you do it long enough we can tolerate and live with the fact that their physical form.

Yeah. Wow. Tracy, thank you so much for being here today. And I guess sharing another perspective on grief. It's been amazing. One of the ways I think you alluded to it before is that I like working with people is continuing bonds and find ways to create connection so that love can live forever. And I guess that's however that may look for the individual. Because I really I don't think that our relationship should or does end following death and I think that's where the pain so much of our pain comes from but it was funny because when I was studying continuing bonds, it's become a more recent bereavement concept. When I came across this it was just like yes like it was amazing, and it fits exactly with what you're talking about. And again, it's different for every individual but I think just acknowledging that it's not about with grief, it's not about moving to and where we are we finally accept that this has happened. Just get over it and forget about it and just move forward now. No, actually what we now know is that this person this situation is had such a big impact on our life and there is just so much love there and we don't we want to continue that continue that that relationship so I just Yeah, I can't thank you enough for sharing what you do with our listeners. It's incredible. And I know you do lots of different things. how can listeners find out more about the work that you do?

Yeah, at my website, which is spiritincorporating.com.au. And then you can forward slash Tacey Dimech, my name to go straight to my services for just me but spirit incorporating is a company that is focused around people who are just discovering their spirituality, and not sure and maybe a little bit curious but also maybe overwhelmed by all the information that's out there and also feeling quite vulnerable and or even judged and maybe even just don't have anyone around them who's going to understand what they're going through, and the experiences they're experiencing. It's like a sacred home. Space online. For anyone that sort of fits in that category. And it's my baby because I wish that I could help everybody but I can't. And I know I'm not supposed to. But just like what you do with your work, Christie, people who are touched by grief or a relationship with spirit each individual person has something that you can support others with simply because what I see in you is in me and that's how I see it because we both have that and I also just want to say quickly because you won't say it and I don't know if anyone has said on the podcast yet for you but working with you as your mentor and being able to know your story with Emme and your family and why you do what you do. Honestly, just the way that you are doing it is so graceful but you're honouring Emme’s spirit and you're honoring your own spirit by being really brave and true. And talking to a space where has been so neglected and so undervalued. And I am just really, really ,eally proud of you and honoured to have been a part of your becoming in this process because you truly are a light and I know that what you're here to do especially with this podcast and with your program riding the waves. It comes from a pure understanding of grief and it comes with a pure hope that love can continue and that life with grief is doable with with some lives, you know, and I didn't know what I was going to say before I said this so I hope that that made sense. I feel like I just

Well im glad it’s the end because I'm crying now. And that's just so beautiful. And thank you so much for sharing that and for being here today. Just the work that you do is amazing and even with what you're talking about with that spirit i cooperating. I think that's what so many are looking for and when they first start looking into whether it be from a loss or whatever it be looking for that that connection again and understanding of what is it that they're experiencing and just to feel not so isolated and and have a place to ask questions and feel safe. So thank you for that and thank you for being there and I love a good cry. Shed some more tears. That's beautiful. Thank you.

Thanks Christie. I love you and sorry listeners about my dog dash.

Love you and love your puppy dog dash. 

Thank you

Thanks Christie 

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