Episode 155. On the Basis of Sex (2018)

On this episode of B&R at the Movies podcast, Berry and Robin watch and discus the 2018 film On the Basis of Sex. This film is the true story of Ruth Bader Ginsburg who fought for equal rights. This remarkable women is captured on film by the actress Felicity Jones. The film also stars Armie Hammer, Justin Theroux, Sam Waterston, Kathy Bates, Jack Reynor, Stephen Root, and Chris Mulkey. The film is written by Daniel Stiepleman and is directed by Mimi Leder. This film will inspire, empower, and drive you to be better in every aspect of life. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:16

All right, everybody. Welcome back for another episode of B and R at the Movies Podcast. I'm Barry.

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And I'm Robin. Right.

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So this week was your choice of film. Yes. So I'll let you go and take us away on this one.

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Okay. And this is one I've been thinking about for a long time. So we're just going to watch it and just yeah, check it off the list.

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Okay.

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Uh so it's called On the Basis of Sex. Okay. I hate the title. I don't think it fits. I think after you watch it, maybe we should think of a new title. Oh, that'd be interesting.

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Yeah, we could totally do that.

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Because I mean it's okay.

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Right.

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But it's not very descriptive. Because it's uh so this was made in 2018, and I did see it in the movie theater.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Oh, you did?

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And uh Felicity Jones and Army Hammer are the main characters, and it is about Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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Okay.

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Um, and you know who that is, yes. I know the name, and I'm trying to She was uh on the Supreme Court.

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Yes, yes, yes. Okay, yes. Okay.

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She was still alive when this was made. Oh, very cool. Um, and then I did look it up, and her one of her nephews actually I think he helped write it, so it's kind of a Oh, that's nice. And I did I do think I heard she kind of liked it. I mean, she did like it. Um, but I didn't really find a lot about that. Um, she's pretty easygoing person. But this is about her um going to law school and then graduating and then actually um having one I don't know if it was her first case in front of a federal court.

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Okay.

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Uh, but ironically, that was in Denver.

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Oh, interesting.

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But they did not film it in Denver. You will not see anything that looks like Denver. Uh, I know. They could have. Yeah. It did not. But uh, but I thought that was kind of interesting that it that's that was her first uh and that's and that's kind of the length of where this this doesn't take her into becoming uh Supreme Court judge or anything like that. It it's from you know going into law school until she does her first uh first, I'm gonna say first case in front of a federal uh court.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Okay, so it's it's a biopic, but it's not her entire it doesn't have the entire it is not her entire life.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Gotcha. Um and I well, I guess I won't put anything, you know, she she is technically at the very end of the movie, the real person.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Oh, interesting. Okay, is it one of those where it's obvious that I'll know the answer? Okay, you know. Well, I didn't because I know that I've I've seen other ones where it's like the real person is like playing somebody else. Yeah, no, no.

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This this one this is like that just that little, you know, the little wink, and that that's Ruth. Okay. Gotcha. Um I I am a big fan of Ruth uh Bader-Ginsburg um very much. Um I I like her style because um she really did believe that uh to change anything it it you start with the law. Okay. Uh, you know, you see injustice, you start with the law, you fix it that way. Um she really never really uh believed in uh you know uh protesting and marching and that sort of thing.

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Okay.

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She believed in working to change it from the law, you know, from the the ground up, I guess. And I like that very much. Um she is just a very very smart lady. Um and I think this depicts her pretty well as far as how intelligent she was. She has passed away since. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

But uh yeah, but I'm not nice that she passed away, but nice that she's very that she's very intelligent. Yeah.

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Yes, yeah, and she is and I think that depicts very well. And I do like Felicity Jones, who does play her. Um I I like I like how she her poise and her um how she how she depicted her. So anyway.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Felicity Jones kind of has that kind of um classic kind of look to her where it's like if it if you put her like in the film like set in the 20s, I don't really feel like you you have to really go like super crazy, you know, to make her be able to feel like she she fits there.

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Yeah.

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Because I think that she just kind of has that like you know, more like I don't know, I was gonna I was thinking like Audrey Hepman, but now I was like, I don't know if that's a yeah right comparison. That's not a bad thing to say.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Yeah. Yeah. So um, but anyway, so um I I I I think you will like a lot of it, but I you know, I've only seen it maybe a couple of times. So to really look at the cinematography, and I have no idea about the soundtrack, no clue. I know it doesn't take me out of it, but I don't know if it's good or not.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

So I mean that's a that's already a nod in its favor. I mean that it's it wasn't distracting.

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Yeah, it definitely wasn't distracting, but you know, so this will be kind of fun because I haven't seen it in a long time.

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Yeah, so you get a a rewatch and a revisit too.

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But I do know when I saw it in the movie theater, absolutely loved it. Nice. Yeah, it was one of those. Very cool. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

But it's but so you saw it in the theater, and then have you seen it since it's been out of the year?

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I think just once. Okay, okay. So and I know I don't own it. Um probably checked it on the library or something like that. But yeah, so maybe I think just twice I've seen it. Oh, okay. So um it'll it'll be nice to watch, and it's been a very long time since I have seen it. So uh it'll be really nice to kind of watch it, but I'll be very interested in you know what you think.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

All right, all right. I will definitely let you know what it is.

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I know. Let's be honest. He's brutally honest. He says rip it apart. No, we won't do that.

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No, definitely don't do that.

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But I mean I'll But we're honest when it's like, yeah, but this part kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Well, and and w we've legitimately watched films that we didn't care for and we've and we've stated, you know, what not only that we don't redeeming, you know.

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Because it is someone's vision. Right it is the director's vision. You know, he's just whoever I say he, but it could be a woman.

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Right, of course.

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But uh, you know, but there it's their vision of you know, and it's like I'm not gonna, you know, rip it completely apart, but sometimes it's like it did just didn't hit the mark.

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Right. And as we know, artists objective, where you know it what is appealing to one person does not appeal for exactly another. So it's like you know, just because it doesn't fit my taste or your taste, you know, doesn't mean it doesn't fit somebody else, you know.

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Really bad, but yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, that's why we can do this and say this is our opinion, you go formulate your own. Yeah, yeah. Like that's right. All right, well, all right, all right, we'll go ahead and dive in and watch this uh on the basis of sex, and then we will come back a little bit and talk about it. All right, all right, we will be back in a little while. Alright, everybody, welcome back. We just got done watching on the basis of sex, and since this was my first time watching it, I know you're you're anticipating my my re my reaction.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Kind of wondering.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Um so uh I'll break I'm gonna break it down to to several different stuff. Oh, okay. So first of all, we're talking about the overall story of it. Okay. Um I I really enjoyed the story. I thought uh everything was really really well done, really well put together. Uh it flowed really nicely. There's no real uh lulls or anything. Um it it moved along really, really good. Um, I thought it was great. I thought it was a a great way of showing her uh uh her professional career of you know, because it starts when she's starting law school and then goes until the until she's at the uh uh 10th Supreme Court in Denver. And so I thought that was really I thought that was really well well way of done it. Because like we've always talked about with um these types of films where it's like where do you start? How much do you improve how much you put in, how far do you go back, you know, and stuff like that. But so I thought this was really well done, and I like that a lot. Um, because it could have gone on throughout the rest of her career.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

It really, yeah, she had a huge career, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

So I thought that was really good, and it really kind of brought the the gravitas of what she was putting forth and what she was trying to accomplish, and I thought that was really, really well done. Um it's um um I really liked the the the dialogue, the writing, the acting, all top-notch, especially the um I really liked the the girl who put her daughter. I thought she did a great job. Yeah, very, very well uh young actress. So I was like, she's one to watch out for. Um it's the with the subject on it, it's so heavy where it's like you have to find that right balance of like trying to move this and keep it and keep it interesting. And I think they did a great job of that of of showing you what it what this is because it's when you get to lawyers and you get to laws and stuff, it can all get like I mean it it law it can get like kind of like textbook almost. Right. And it doesn't make it, and then it's not it's not interesting, it doesn't keep your attention and it's not keeping the f the story going. And then it's like you know, what well watching uh, you know, just like a TED talk about something, and it's like okay, it's more like educational. But this was they kept it really good and they kept you informed on everything that was going on and how it how it kept going. Um, and I it's it's amazing that I keep thinking that you know this country has come you know so far, and then you think back like this was not that long ago where we had to have this much change to be able to happen. And it's like for me, I just in my in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah, it was like you know, like like a hundred years ago, you know, we got everything fixed. And it's like, no, we didn't, and it's still not fixed. But I like that when they they even said that that the law is not finished, and it's like it's constantly needs to be evolved and changed, and I like that a lot. I thought that was really, really uh great way of of kind of explaining it to somebody who like myself, I'm not a lawyer, I don't really I don't know, I don't know laws, and I thought that was kind of a that was a a really nice way of being able to put it together. Um I really I really did like the film. I thought it was great. Um I um I thought the you know everything, even when they did the from the 50s to the 70s jump, um, they even changed like the color palette of everything, kind of kind of shifts around. Yeah, it seemed like in the 1950s it was almost intentionally like not as sharp and it was like almost like a little fuzzy.

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Uh-huh.

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And then once they hit the 70s, then it was like bam, like we're it's like everything's colors and super sharp. Yeah, and I thought that was really well done. I think the use of color in this film was actually really, really important, and I thought that I in the opening sequence, it's yeah, everybody's all the guys and her are all marching into to Harvard, and it's a sea of white male grays and browns, and you know, no color, right? Black suits, black, yeah, black, black, greys, and browns. That's it. And she's wearing a bright blue dress as she's walking through, and I was like, and it's you know, really, really grabs your attention on what's going on. And then even when she was uh she showed up to the class and she's wearing up everybody's in like grays and pastels, she's in a bright red, yeah, bright red dress.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Yeah, I I realized that, and I thought, wow, yeah.

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So I I thought the use of color was really was really interesting in this.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Yeah, that was very intentional. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

I thought I like that a lot, and it's like she's not, and that kind of g gave the precedent of like she's not gonna conform to what your status quo is, and she's here to change it. And that's what and I was like, I thought that was great, and I thought that was a great way of visually kind of giving you that, like, you know, and it kind of it made you you understand right away, like, oh, she's tough, she's strong, she's gonna, she's not gonna back down from this. So I thought that I I love that. So I thought that was that was really well well done, really well put together. Um uh everything really really flowed. I mean, it was like it was it was it was really, really well done. Um yeah. Um not I I don't really have a negative on it. I really don't. Wow, yeah.

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Wow.

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So it yeah, it's yeah, it gra it grabs your attention, it keeps it, and it just keeps keeps you going.

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Yeah.

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So I I really liked it. I thought it was I thought it was great. So yeah.

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Well, there you go. I did I did good.

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Yeah, you definitely did, yeah.

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Yeah. The part that I do like, and I think I do remember something with Ruth um mentioning this, um, that she liked how they portrayed her husband. Uh, because he truly was that. Um he she was a terrible cook. He was a really good cook. Uh, but he always he always was, you know, r you know, right there with her, knowing that she can do whatever she wants and that and how intelligent she really is.

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Yeah.

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And he just loved her for that.

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That's awesome. Yeah. That is absolutely awesome.

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So, I mean, and it is all true that she she literally helped him and herself get through law school.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

That is just mind-blowing on that where it's just like all those classes. And at first, when she, you know, she shows up to his class, I didn't really fully understand it. I was like, she's taking his class though. And then I was thinking, like, is that because she wants to take like two years in the same time to be able to graduate quicker? Which is what I thought she was doing. And then I then in the next scene when she's like teaching him what she just learned so he could still be in the class. Right. And I was like, wow, that is just that is just mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

And she truly did. And really, even up until the the end of her life, uh, she worked really, really long hours, and she usually only slept slept about four hours.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Hey, we got something in common.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah. She just her her work was her life. It really was. And it was really, I mean, she had so much intelligence that um, and you know, and not a bit of it went to waste.

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Yeah.

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Not a bit.

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That's I mean, it she's she's definitely somebody, you know, that is a role model for everybody to look up to, you know. And it's like, you know, somebody who's gonna, you know, yeah. Like you said, you know, it's you know, she she's a tough she's tough, you know, she's not gonna, you know, she's not gonna take the easy route. She's gonna make she's gonna make it worth it, you know. Make your time.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah. And but, you know, and it still she felt, you know, like, you know, why couldn't she be more? Why couldn't she be an attorney?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Right.

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Um, and you know, I mean, she was top of her class in Harvard, and she ended up being top of her class in uh Columbia when she graduated. I love that dig too, when she met the Dean and Oh, and she said that she learned it in Columbia.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah, I thought that was that was good. Yeah, it was it's so heartbreaking that you have an actor that I love watching so much. And you really don't like him. No, but see, that is the mark of a great actor that can that I you know it's the way he that he makes me love that character, and then it's like this character, you just want to just smack some sense into him. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

You're just like, oh Stephen Peg, and Steven Root too, it's another one, too. And I'm just like it was like, oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, and it's like it's it's pretty amazing, but um, yeah, it yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad you liked it.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah, I love Kathy, I love Kathy Bates part that she comes in for.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Oh yeah, I thought that was kind of forgot about her actually. I mean uh Yeah, I was like, well, and you know, uh I did the one thing that I usually can't stand other people do to me is that during the credits, the opening credits, the names are going by, and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, so I didn't mention anything because I I you know it's been a while since I and I gotta say, you know, it it actually makes me cry at the end. It really does a little bit. Um just because um, you know, she she waited, she worked, she got to be, she got to do what she really loved to do, and she got to do it really well, and she really did care so much for the law and for changing the law. Uh that was just you know, it and yeah, and it's because she was just so intelligent, she could do that, she could help other people do that too.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

So yeah, you could really tell it was her life's mission that you know she she found you know, she figured out the laws that were wrong and says these are the ones we need to go after and we need to fix these. And it's like a hundred percent, that's exactly what it needs to be. Yeah. Where it's like, yeah, there's laws that are written that are that do not, you know, are they just don't they don't pertain to to the way things are, and there is no reason why they can't be changed. Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

And it's not, you know, and it's in this whole thing of I know people dig in their heels and they want it just to be the way it used to be, or they somehow want to go backwards on the case.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Oh, sure. That's even worse.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Uh, but you know, um, but yeah, that was that was her whole thing though. That that is what she really felt would make a difference is if to change you have to to work hard to change the laws.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I and you know, it it's sad, but it we're still in this in these battles today.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Yeah you know, for because there's so many.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah, so it is it really is never ending.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

So but like they said, the law isn't finished, right? You know, it's not it's not written, it's not concrete, it's not written instead of it.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Yeah, it it it there is a yeah, it kind of grows and flex and you know changes and molds into something else. But right, you know, yeah, it's it's kind of amazing. It really is.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Absolutely. And you know, I you always gotta consider the times of when a law is written and when it becomes of what the climate is at that time, of what is going on in in the country at that time. And it's like, and I I hope, I hope that nowadays that laws aren't written, you know, especially to intentionally screw over anybody.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

You know, uh but I don't know that for certain.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Yeah. Well, I mean, and then you know, when they when they got rid of Roe versus Wade.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

That was a shocker.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Well, and the the one thing I heard about that, and this is this is very true, because it you know, the people that were against that had been working for, you know, many, many, many years to try to get rid of it, and they finally made it because they they just wouldn't give up. And you can do that the other way around.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

You can do that for something that, you know, and so there is no reason why that type of law can't come back. But it it will take time and it does take a lot of effort from people that really know what they're doing, and to just keep on doing it. If it if you feel in your heart it's the right thing to do, then you just don't stop. And there is just something about that. And I think that was one thing that, you know, Ruth Bader-Ginsburg never never really stopped trying, knowing there was always something, something more to do. And and it and you know, it's not instant gratification sometimes. It just you're just you're just chipping away at it, but just keep on chipping away at it.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

And you yeah, you see what you see what's wrong and you go out there and you try and fix it. Yeah, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

And like like she said too, this was like one case at a time. Yeah, one law at a time. It has to be changed that way. And that just sounds like so many people go, Oh my god. Right. But it but it really is true. It is, yeah. I mean that's just one law at a time.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Right, because you can't unfortunately, you can't just say, like, okay, all these laws right here, this whole stack, boom, we're gonna go ahead and just change all those. It's like, no, you got it, you got it. You can't do that. It's not the way it works. It's not the way it works. You gotta get in there, you gotta break them down. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

So yeah, it's but well, I'm I'm really glad you liked it. I thought Felicity Jones did a really good job.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Mm-hmm. I thought she did great.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

And and you saw Ruth at the end.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yes, I did. Yes, yeah. Pretty active. And I and I I like that. There have been times that I've seen films where it's a biopic film and then they bring in the real person and it ruined it. Um and um and that one did not. No and I like that I thought it was very subtle very I I thought it was I thought it was absolutely great that the way that the way that they did that one. That you it was a smooth transition from the actress to to the real uh to the real woman and it it wasn't it w it came at the right time of the film it came at the right moment and you knew that was the way the film's ending. That is your ending.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

And I and I like that.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Yeah and at the end um it was Ruth's voice that you were hearing.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Right. That's why I was I I was I was assuming that's what it was when she was at uh when she was arguing other cases right so that was that was her her arguing that and that was you know and then it just kind of went from the actress into Ruth just for a little while.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

She's only on screen for a little while at the end.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yeah and I I think that's a great way to do it. You know um because there's there's times where it's like in like in the like as the closing credits are going then it's like oh okay yeah then you know they bring in the real person stuff which is fine you know it's like when that happens as well and then you're uh and I do like when you're introduced to the real person towards the end of the film like that you know where it's like when it when it organically makes sense to be able to do it. And I thought I think that's that's that's what the important thing is. Um I don't know have you ever seen the movie Snowden? No I have not okay so that that is um that's uh a biopic film um and and spoiler it's not really spoiling though you do see the real guy at the end of it and they did it was not nearly as well as dunis this oh really yeah okay so that was the film I was thinking of so uh anyway I was thinking of pursuit of happiness oh good one yes they did they did that very subtly too nice they really didn't yes you you almost had to like find out later oh that's the real guy right right right right yeah that that that's a very very good that I thought was done very well yeah that's another one yeah I love that film too anyway I'm sorry Straty object um but yeah um but back to this one I thought they were I thought everybody was really great um and uh it's uh oh um hammer uh the her army hammer army hammer yeah I kept I keep one I keep thinking his name's wrong uh but uh he did he did really good in this um the other he has the exact same look he had in another film and I keep jumping back to that when it was really oh my gosh um so he was in the movie Jay Egger which was another biopic film yeah and yeah um set it set during the uh so during the 50s uh during the 1950s time it was exact it was almost identical to like the look that he had during that movie really yeah so it was just like interesting so my my brain kept kind of doing that doing that like switch back back a little bit um once he got into the 70s of this even though it's like they didn't really change him they didn't really like do like prosthetics or anything like that just the stylistic change of it was enough to have me not do that and then it's like yeah um but then it's like it's like oh but he's still man from uncle you know it's like all right um but he's another one where it's like he's got that really classic kind of kind of look to him yeah he's really tall he's really really tall yeah so and and actually for Ruth and for Marty that that that that was how it was uh he Marty was I mean Ruth is very very little person. Even yeah even then the final shot when you see her she's she's a little she's little she's a petite woman yeah so I thought that was really good. Yeah um yeah I guess this one this one was definitely a good one.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

You know it's like it was it was when I saw in the theater too it was one of those I walked down going I just saw a good film.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah I absolutely did yeah absolutely yeah and you know people can check it out now because it's free on Netflix.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Yeah so it's like Yeah it I and it really is a good one that's for sure. Um and I don't know it well I'm glad you enjoyed it because it was one I was I was hoping to have you watch and um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Yeah no it it's really good.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Yeah and I you know the music was pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Music was great. I mean you know because it kind of set the tone for the the period that it was changing into you know yeah in the nine yeah in the 1950s it was more uh classicals and was more um op like almost like opera music that she was playing and stuff and then in the 70s then it was like okay you know it's a little uh it's more classic well was considered now classic rock yeah um time and and I thought that was that was really well done and it wasn't wasn't it wasn't distracting yeah it was very subtle but it but it really kind of helped you just kind of get into the mood of you know oh you know this is the time that we're right but I do think that was pretty amazing you caught on to the colors because I I really didn't you know I I can see it now but um I didn't the first time I watched it um that uh that that really kind of does help a lot for me to change time periods. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

I definitely agree with that and I and you know I'm thinking of other films that yeah that that's what they did. They they went you know when they're changing time periods they changed the color palette. And uh and it and it helps. It does help.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Yeah and you know I think that you know we talk about you know all the different aspects of film and it's like and you know set changing wardrobe you know it it plays a big factor into it where it's like it really really does because it helps you go into that moment and into that time period and it's great when everything just feels natural.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Where you don't even have to think about it and you're just there. Um one thing I was gonna I was gonna talk about so there's a shot where they're in their um they're they're in their apartment in um in New York and it's a shot of their dining room table. Okay and she's on the left hand side and she's got the typewriter he's on the right hand side and they've got all the books and stuff everything in between. Yeah. And I thought that was kind of funny where it's like oh that's a lawyer's dining room table right there where it's like you don't eat at the dining room table you got all your work there. So I was like I thought that was really good. Yeah yeah and then a couple scenes later it's a shorter table. Uh-huh and they don't they don't talk it wasn't it now it could have been on the cutting room floor it could have been a bunch of other things but they don't they don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

It's like all of a sudden it's like it's like they put in the leaves to make the table longer for them working on but then when they needed it to be like for the mock court you know kind of thing right they took some leaves out and made it shorter.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah and it well and then but there was another shot of the exact same angle and it's like all of a sudden it's a shorter it's the shorter table. Now like you said it's like yeah okay people have dining room tables they have leaves in them they can change them out make them different sizes so it's not it's not like they went out probably bought you know oh they went out and bought another table.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

But it was just kind of one of those like it was so visually big though in the first shot where she's on the very very edge and he's on the very edge and it's like the table is the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Yeah and they really were like spreading it out.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Yeah and then it was like and I thought and I thought I'm like oh was is that that kind of feels like a metaphor of how their relationship is going right now at that moment where it's they're in the same room but they're not together. Uh-huh and they've got this void and they're both working they've got this void between them. Yeah and then later on then they've got the smaller table and I was thinking I'm like that's a that would be a good visual metaphor of like them coming together and stuff. But then I was so I like the I definitely love like the visual of it and I thought it was really good but then I was like I I want you to just touch on that just like just like it's like but it was they're not gonna yeah yeah and that is one thing too this movie ex tries to explain the law. Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

But it's not gonna explain the plot.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Oh that is an excellent way of wording you know I like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

So they're not trying to explain the storyline right but they do but they definitely understood that yeah a lot of people would just you know their eyes would glaze over about you know talking about different laws or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

So they really worked hard to make it interesting. They definitely didn't especially like even when she's teaching and the classroom and the discussion going on and the and the realness of it, you know, people answering the questions and and you know discussing it. Um uh I I thought it was it was it was well done that way because I think it because it is about law. So they really worked hard to explain that law but they're not going to explain the story to you. You're gonna have to just pick that up yourself.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah yeah exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

No that's a that's a great way that's a great way of saying it too yeah absolutely so yeah so that if someone you know thinks about this thinking you know dry and boring and law and let's talk about it forever. Yeah um it really is one that you know you you'll be entertained by it and you you might even learn a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

That's it and that's exactly what was for me it was like there and for me it's like there's these there's these laws that got changed and for me it's like once they explain what the law what the law is and how it's how it's unconstitutional. I was like well obviously it's unconstitutional. Doesn't everybody see it that way right exactly but still they have to fight for it. You gotta fight for it. Yeah and you gotta get in there you know got to get it done. So yeah but yeah I thought that was I thought it was really really great of way uh like you said of explaining the laws without making it feel like you're in like a you know just in a lecture about laws.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yeah I think they worked really hard to do that and I think they did a good job.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Yeah absolutely yeah I thought they did a great job.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Yeah all right all right I guess we'll go ahead and wrap this one up I guess we will and I did a good job. That's right I picked a good one this time setting the bar.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Yeah all right and thank you everybody for listening make sure you guys go check out on the basis of sex uh currently on Netflix or wherever else you can find it. Yep and until next time I'm Barry and I'm Robin and we will talk to you guys later