Episode 156. Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere (2025)

On this episode of B&R at the Movies podcast, Berry and Robin watch and discus the 2025 film Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere. This epic music bio-pic film is written by Scott Cooper and Warren Zanes. The film is directed by Scott Cooper and stars Jeremy Allen White, Jeremy Strong, Paul Walter Hauser, Stephen Graham, Odessa Young, and David Krumholtz. This emotionally charged film follows the life and career of one of the most influential music icons of the last few decades Bruce Springsteen.  

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:15

All right, everybody. Welcome back for another episode of B and R at the Movies Podcast. I'm Barry.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

And I'm Robin.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

So this we're gonna change that up sometime in the movie. Every time you start, it's like, oh, I should like interrupt you.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

You should totally do it.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

And it's like we should split it up. So you say the first sentence and then I'll just alternate. Okay, let's do it again.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

Oh, that's gonna be so all right.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

You can't do it. You can't do it. Okay, no, next time.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

Next time. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, I would definitely need practicing. All right, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Okay, moving on. Sorry, that was just like squirrel moments. We had okay, okay. And what are we watching today?

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Um, so this week was my choice of film, and we are watching the Bruce Springsteen film, which is Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere. Okay. Um this is 2025 film. Nice. Um rated PG 13. Uh, we are gonna be watching it on Hulu um because neither one of us has actually seen it before. Right. So this is gonna be a first watch for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

I don't even know who's in it. Who's in it? Anyone I would know?

SPEAKER_03 1:23

So I recognize maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

I I don't know that many names.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Well, there's definitely faces you're gonna recognize. So Jeremy Allen White is the main one. Um he's in the show The Bear. Um, he's the main guy in the bear. Um, he was he really broke through in the in the show Shameless. Um so he might he would be one that you would know. Okay, uh Jeremy Strong, um, he's definitely a face that you're gonna recognize. Um if if you don't already already know immediately.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

The the name definitely yeah rings.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

And then uh Paul Walter, and I always screw up his last name. Um, I want to say Hersell H A-U-S-E-R. Um, he was the one, um, he was in Richard Jewell. Um so that that's okay. That's okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

All right.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Um, so um there's a bunch of other people in there, and it's like um, you know, we couldn't go through each one individually, but um, but those are the ones that I think you'll you'll definitely uh you'll definitely read.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Most important, how much do you know about Bruce Springsteen and his past?

SPEAKER_03 2:33

I know very little.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Me too. I'm coming in this pretty cold. Um so I I mean I'm interested, but I just it's he's just not one that I I know a lot about his you know how he came to be the boss.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Well, and I know he's from Jersey.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

I think I knew that I I know that. So um I was told that this film is not his entire life. Okay, that it's a it's a small section of his life. Good.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

I kind of like that. And I think that'll be good.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

I think I'm gonna like that because then you can focus in more on that particular section and tell tell a more uh concise story that way. Um written and directed by the same guy, uh Scott Cooper. Um, and I don't even I don't know anything that he has done. Let me check real quick. All right. Um he directed Crazy Heart.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Oh um another one about you know a musician. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Yeah. Yeah, so that might be his that might be his forte. Oh, he do he delected um Black Mass. Um, that's a movie I own that I've seen. So it's gonna be it's gonna be definitely interesting. Um, because I love music biopic films. You totally do. So I'm hoping you really, really love this. So and that's and but see the the advantage of not I've I remember seeing a trailer, but not even really like an in-depth trailer. So it was like like a like a teaser almost.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

And um, so I don't really know a lot about what's gonna be going on for it. So I kind of like that, that it's I'm pretty cold, like like you, pretty cold going into it. So it's like we're gonna really see what it is, what's going on with it, and be able to absorb it. So I think it's gonna be uh be an interesting watch that we're okay. Um, but yeah, I I know a little, like you're saying, like very little about Bruce himself. You know, it's like I know his I know he's got the band, the E Street band, I know that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

It's like Yeah, you know, and I I I'm sure I know quite a bit of his music just because you know I've lived in the world.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Well, yeah, and yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like, I know a ton of his ton of his songs. So, and then but then again, that's another interesting thing where it's like, okay, well, this is not his whole, you know, everything he's done. This is gonna be just snippets, and then is it even gonna be necessarily about the album or the process of them? So is it even gonna be uh you know, them actually making the album?

SPEAKER_01 5:10

So it's yeah, it's it's what what the choices they make as far as when they want to you know portray this, you know, part of his life.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because they could they could totally make it where it's like, okay, well, you put out this album, but then you know, don't really play the album or have him, you know, showing him, you know, in the studio or anything, and then it's like, you know, just another section of life.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

So yeah, yeah. So it'll be interesting. Yeah, we'll see how they put it together.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

Yeah, yeah. And then we'll we'll come back a little bit and talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yeah, we will critique it.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Yeah, we'll we'll dive into it and then we'll uh we'll check and see. And so it'll and it's always interesting, like on the different on the the similarities we pick up on and then the differences that we pick up on, too. Okay, so it's gonna be it'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah, yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

All right, well, we are gonna go ahead and dive in and watch Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere, and then we'll come back a little bit to talk about it. Okay, all right. We will be back in a little while. All right, everybody, welcome back. We just got we just got done watching Spruent Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere. Apparently, I'm having trouble talking today. Um, so neither one of us has seen this one before, but since it was my pick, I get to go first. You get to go first. Yeah, thank you very much. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Um I I did like it. It wasn't a fast-paced movie.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

No, it definitely was not fast-paced.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Um but it was really interesting. Um, I think I was just trying to draw a couple of connections to Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

You know, I was a little bit I was doing a little bit too.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

You know, just like a little bit. But um I I I I thought it was really good. I it's it's a whole lot more than just music, yeah. Um, which um I mean, I I guess it would always be. It's always like what's behind the music, what's behind, what's going on. Right. And uh I didn't realize it was just so heavy um for Springsteen. And um so it was it was a very, very interesting, it really was. Um but the whole thing of uh you know, creating creating the music and trying to hear the music. You know, I just think it was kind I always think of people that um are artists that uh create music that that's very very much like therapy for them. You know, they really work out a lot of stuff through their music. Yes. But it for for Bruce Springsteen, it really wasn't enough just to do the music. It was so much deeper than that. He needed even more help to get through all the feelings and everything, right? Um, so that was that was pretty eye-opening, I guess, for me.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

I I was definitely surprised by that too. Yeah. It and I was doing the same thing like uh you were talking about drawing the parallels between uh Springsteen and Bob Dylan, um, especially like you where you're reinventing yourself and you're trying to do something that is maybe not everybody understands, but you know has to get out there, has to he has to put it out. And so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

I guess and the part I really like too, there wasn't you know a lot of drinking, there wasn't a lot of drugs, there wasn't a lot of you know, messing around kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

No.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Partying, and you know, I don't know if that's really true, but uh that's that's what was portrayed, that there was none of that.

SPEAKER_04 8:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Um and um I I'd like to think it was that way, really. For some people it can be that way. It's not all drinking and drugs and partying.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

You know, um, so I that for me that that made it kind of interesting just to kind of like you know, maybe believe that yes, it truly was just trying to trying to make some music and trying just to do it his way.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Yeah. I I thought it was um I thought it was a pretty powerful film. Um that um I don't know, I kind of wasn't I wasn't expecting it.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

You know, and then it's like I wonder what Bruce Springsteen thinks of it. So yeah, I don't know. We're gonna be looking this one up. It's like, yeah, tell me a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

I mean, he's one it's one where you know there it's a biopic about him, but he's still alive. Um that you gotta feel like you know, he's gotta, you know, give his blessing or you know, at least.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah, he's gotta have an opinion. Right. Yeah, it's hopefully, you know, it was something that he was okay with.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

Yeah, and I don't, you know, and you know, we don't know to what degree he's he is he involved with it, you know, was he you know was it I can't imagine he really was involved in it, but um but um but hopefully that you know in the end that you know maybe he like he thought it was okay. Yeah. I hope so.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that'll be really interesting to find out, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

But this this film was all about the the silent the moments like in between the moments, like the silent the silent moments, and it was the looks and the not a lot of dialogue and just a lot of feeling, all in yeah, yeah, just deeply well.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

I suppose that's what they were really trying to depict. This was really a heavy time for him.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

And so that's why it did, it did, it truly did feel heavy.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Right. Uh yeah, it did it definitely did.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

And so they depicted that really well.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

And it's one of those where you know, you know he's going down, you know, through his struggles and he's trying to figure everything out. And you know, we know who he is, so we know you know he's gonna come out okay on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

But we don't know the struggle that he went through during that time. And then when you're discovering that, then it's like it's you know, it's it's pretty powerful. You know, even when he's you know driving his car really, really fast and then and then just screaming his head off, you know, just because he's gonna he's gonna release. And so yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty wild. Um and then I I like the I like the flashback stuff that they were showing for his life. I thought I thought those were done done pretty good. And it because it's kind of just it gives you in the glimpse of who his family you know his family was and what he went through.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

And how he's still dealing with that. Right. Which is I I still just think it's just such amazing too. I mean, he's if he's into his thirties and oh at this time, yeah. Yeah, and he's still still figuring it out. Right. Even though he's you know, he's he he's creating, you know, he's putting himself in all that, but he's yeah, but you know, he just had a lot, you know, personally just to to work through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

Yeah. Yeah, it was it was really yeah, it it was a lot that he was dealing with. And um, I like that you know they showed it the the flashback stuff is from his perspective of how you know how he would have be remembering the situations and stuff. And so I I like that a lot where it's you know, and you know, he's they're showing a lot about you know his with his parents and like his dad, and you you understand what's going on without it being told to you all the time. Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Yeah, almost all of this is just like, you know, figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 13:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Just pay attention, figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

Right. Um I like I like that that they're not gonna hold your hand through it. And it's like, no, you gotta be able to you gotta be able to figure it out on your own. And and you know, and you do, and then you find and what I like about it is that it doesn't show, you know, it showed that he had a rough time with his father and you know, when he was growing up, but then then when he's older, then you know he's there with his dad and he's you know still helps out his dad. And you know, it kind of just shows that full circle of like, you know, yeah, you know, you you may not have done the best at the time, but you did what you what what you did.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah, the best you could. The best you could, and you're not you know, you can't change the past, you can't change what was done or what wasn't done, and you know, and then but to have his father acknowledge that he understood that he really didn't probably do the best, right? Um, is pretty good because uh a lot of people don't don't get a chance to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Um, and uh so that's that's gotta help a lot. Yeah. But uh, but yeah, I mean just to know yeah, you know, struggles with depression and um, you know.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

And it just kind of makes him more of a three-dimensional, right, regular, regular guy, you know, of like, yeah, he's he is a superstar, yes, he is a rock star, yeah, he's you know, an amazing artist, he's amazing, you know, does all these great, you know, things in the end, he's a guy, and he's a guy going that goes through the struggles of life, you know, same as anybody else. You know, so I I like that it kind of that it brought the you know more of a humanity to him of just like yeah, you know, he's yeah, he's an amazing guy, but yeah, he's he's still ri you know just a guy.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Yeah, it's it's pretty um melancholy kind of film. Yeah, definitely all the way through. Um but you know, I mean, I guess that's kind of life too, you know. It just it doesn't you know, you don't tie it up with a pretty bow at the end or something like that, you know?

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Yeah, it's still a work in progress.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

It's still and I I guess the one thing I like too is that yeah, I know he didn't die any tragic death when he was younger or anything like that. So I think that's the hard time hard thing I do have with some um especially musical biopics. You know, I know that they died or something. It's like you know, and it just kinda it kind of hangs in the air for me a little bit, but to know that no, he's he that's that's not what happened to him.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Right, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Nothing like that. But yeah. So um, yeah, you know, it was I I thought it was a good movie. Um but yeah, it w it was very slow paced and it did seem kind of long uh even though it was just two hours, but it did seem it didn't it it seemed like a full two hours.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

It it didn't yeah, it didn't really it it wasn't fast paced, it wasn't it wasn't going forward very hard.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

No.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

But I I also feel like that was part of the intent of slowing down and feeling the moment and feeling everything.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

And I really, really feel like that was the intent of the film, and that's what they were trying to do.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Yeah, it's there's a lot of feelings going on in this, and that's yeah, they don't give you a lot of fluff. No.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

There's you know, this is this is all substance, no fluff.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

So yeah, it's uh and and you know, I I think I think it was interesting to kind of see the the writing of music con you know, how how that can happen or the ideas that can come and then to form the ideas into something that's creative. And uh that's it's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Yeah, yeah, because you know, and I've seen, you know, different songwriters where they they come up with their their, you know, sometimes they'll come up with the the music itself and then they'll write the lyrics to the music, or it's like it's all the lyrics, you know, first and then they write the song around it. And with uh Springsteen, it kind of seemed like he was trying to convey a story, yeah. And he had the ideas of what he won wanted the story to be, and then kind of formed the music around and with that, and it was kind of like a cohesion between them.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah, yeah. So and it was um, you know, I'm I'm sure with a lot of people that write music, uh how personal it can be. But I I think there are some songs that are probably more personal than others.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Yeah, I imagine so. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

So yeah, and you know, it was it was good. I like the performances, I like the the actors very much. I thought that was really good. I really liked I I I'm assuming that was his manager.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Oh, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Um and man, I I wish all the managers were like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Where yeah, where they let the artist be the artist. Yeah, and they really they really care. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

They really care, they really understand, and they're you know, they're gonna fight really hard to let them do whatever they want to do. Right. The way they want to do it.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

There's so many times with the manager position where they're predicted as you know, they work for the more of the record company than the the artist. Yeah. And it really should be the other way around, which is how it is in this case.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

So I mean, I I really do hope that was the way it was because that was that's a wonderful person that can do that for somebody and um and kind of protect him, yeah. Help him and protect him. I mean, I you know, I just I just thought that was really, really a wonderful relationship, and hopefully that was very truthful.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

I hope so because it was it definitely came across really, really, really nice.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

And I was like uh Yeah, it was very heartwarming just to see that maybe there are people that are like that and work together like that. And you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

And the the thing is like this shouldn't, you know, it shouldn't be an anomaly for this. You know, it should be the norm.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

It would be it'd be lovely if it was normal, but I I do know that I don't I I can't imagine it's really is all that normal. Right. But um because then but then you have to have the good chemistry with uh a manager. And if I guess if you can have that, then that's good. But I mean to pressure artists to do things a certain way or you know, and it's just like why not just do it the way they want to do it, you know?

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Take a chance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

And that's a and that's the my whole thing is that with the managers where it's their, you know, their livelihood is based off of the artists of what they're gonna be able to come up with. Why why wouldn't you give them your full support? Why wouldn't you be there for them? It's like that that that don't seem only logical that that's that you know that you are there to back them and support them. Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

And then especially if you want the artist to trust you.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

You know, um and you know, be collaborative with you. Right. Yeah. So yeah, I I I liked that relationship and I I I really hope and pray that really was how it how it was. Yeah. Because I I I really do think that there are a lot of people. And you know, I mean, if if Brew Strings Bringstein is going through all this emotional stuff and depression, and the last thing he needs is a manager that's just gonna push him into something weird.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

We probably wouldn't even have Bringspee. He probably would have, yeah. He could have he could have gone down a completely different road and not even be with us anymore.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

Absolutely, yeah. You know, without a doubt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Yeah. So I mean, I think that's that's saying a lot.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

So I I really like the performances um from the band playing. Um I don't know if it was all um if it was it was all his singing. Um it yeah, I almost think it was I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Because it really wasn't like spot on.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah, it was like enough it was like enough difference in it where it's like which which I think that's kind of a choice.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

I think they kind of made that choice that they didn't want to do that. I mean, because if they wanted to make it sound like Bruce, then they just have Bruce tracks on right.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

The only the only time when it um where it almost felt like it could have been um was when they were recording Born in the USA.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

And because that was the album version, you know, that you're listening to. It's the one that everybody knows. And it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Unless they just worked really, really hard on it. And just just to get it right. Right. You know. Which I wouldn't be it wouldn't be too far fetched for actors and musicians to do that.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Right. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Just work, yeah. We gotta work really hard on this one because we gotta get this one spot on.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah. But yeah, so that'll be interesting to look up again. And you know, the trivia and whatever.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

It's what we get when we we watch a film that we have never seen before.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

There's like, wow, I got a lot of questions. And and hopefully I'm gonna find some good answers. Like, oh, that's so cool. Oh, that's great. I love that. Yeah, that's neat, you know. So yeah, there'll be a lot of a lot of that for me. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

I'll have to have to find the film so we can get all the extras and special features.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

That'd be fine. That'd be good.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Yeah, that'd be real good. Um, yeah, I um but uh so I was gonna talk a little bit about Jeremy Allen White uh White, who's the who's the main guy who played Bruce.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Um I thought he did a phenomenal job.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

I it it he had to carry the whole film.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

I mean, that's a big load to carry.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

Yeah. And he's he's still, I mean, he's not a a he's not a kid actor, but he's still a younger actor. And it's like he had to go through like some really big emotional stuff going through this film.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

Yeah. And and to convey a lot without a lot of words.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

There's a lot of acting going on in there that you know, you gotta do a lot with your, you know, with your eyes and your body and your posture and everything, you know. So there was a lot going on.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Yeah, there was a there was an absolute ton. And then and then, you know, doing the the musical performances stuff, and then doing the singing and the playing the guitar and doing everything. And it's like, you know, I don't know what he already brought to the table of what he already knew, yeah, and then what they just had to, you know, get him further along on. But uh I think he did I think he did a phenomenal job of that.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

That's gotta be so hard. Yeah, I played Bruce Springsteen.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

That's not that's not an easy thing to take on. Come on, you know, it's any of them. He's like, yeah, I played Elvis, you know. It's like, yeah, it's really tough because these are these are icons, these are people that really love, there's people that really love these musicians. They know every inch of their history or their moves or their looks, you know.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Well, and there was even a shot that he had that was after he's done playing and he takes the guitar and he raises the guitar above his head, and the strap is still on him, and he raises it above his head, and it's like that is an iconic Bruce Springsteen shot that I've seen before. Yeah, and it's like it's stuff like that where it's like, okay, you know that you you obviously knew that, you know, when you're making the film of like, yeah, that's the look that that's the shot, that's what we need.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yeah, so hopefully true fans that know a lot about Bruce Springsteen have enjoyed this movie also. But I think that that that would take it to a different level. Um if if you know you you really did, you know, you've watched every documentary and every interview and all this, or you know, and and have at least seen him on stage, you know. Right. I've never seen him on stage.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

I've I've seen him, I mean, I've seen videos of him doing it, but I've never seen him live. But yeah, it's like um I've I've definitely seen that he sweats a ton though, so I think they got that part right. I think they got that part right where it was like he's just drenched by the end of the show, and I was like, and I'm like, yeah, I've seen I've seen photographs, I've seen film of him where he's like he's soaked to the bone. Where it's like, yeah, he because he lays it all out there when he's when he's performing, and it's like yeah, he gives it a he gives it his all. So I I love that part of it. And so I thought that was really good.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

So but yeah, I I did enjoy it. Um you know, I think if I saw it on the in the movie theater, I would be pretty happy walking out.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

I definitely would be.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah, because I mean, you know, especially if you're walking in and you're going, okay, this is about Bruce Springsteen, okay, obviously, you know, right. You know what you're stepping into.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Uh but no, I think I would have walked out with like, wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Yeah. I think I would I think we'd have missed it.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

And I think they really in this film too, they really were trying to have people get to know him, get to know a little bit about him and what he went through and and how he felt and how hard he worked to kind of keep it together and um keep going.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

And he had, you know, and to and to put out, you know, his vision while going through all that, where it's you know, he's he knows what he's trying to get across and sometimes he stumbles trying to get there, but he just keeps going while he's still going through like his personal turmoil and his emotional stuff, and it's just like no, I'm still we're still doing this, we're still.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

But that comes down to having a really good manager backing up on that.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Making sure, you know, just promising that yes, it's gonna be your way.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Right. And I love that when he goes to bathroom and he goes, he goes, Yeah, this is the way we're doing this. And it's like it's not it's not a debate and it's not a discussion. He goes, This is the way that Bruce says we're doing this, and this is the way we're doing it.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Yeah, he really represented him. Uh I and you know, I really like that because there's gotta be a lot of artists that, yeah, they have a lot of ideas, and then you know, they get shoved to the side or shoved to the back or just like ignored.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

And it's like if you want to do an album, you gotta do it, you know, you gotta compromise, you gotta do it kind of like how they want it, you know, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Well, and I and it's very interesting now where it's like the the landscape of the music industry where it's it's totally changed, where it's you know you're not all about, you know, the album sales anymore. And that used to be like the number one where it's like because now it's like okay, are people buying your music? No, they're gonna be downloading it, they're gonna be listening to it other ways. Yeah, but then you're gonna be, you know, doing you're still doing your tours and you're still putting out content and you're still drawing people in, you know, into your into where you're at. And so it's yeah, it's kind of it's it's so kind of weird now where it's it it for the longest time that was just it. Like, how many albums did you sell? Yeah, how you know what were your numbers? Where were you at? And it's like, but now it's like now it's a different world. Now it's a whole different world. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

It is. But yeah, it's yeah. So that this it was interesting. Yeah, it was fun.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

I thought it was I thought it was a really good film. Yeah, yeah. It was it was one of those where it's like, you know, we don't know if we're gonna go into it and it's gonna be very happy and upbeat, or if it's you know, really, I mean it's like not even knowing, you know, a little bit like it's really serious.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

So hang on, you know. I didn't know that. I didn't, yeah. I did no idea. It's like okay, this was really serious.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

Yeah, it was really deep. So, but yeah, I thought it was I thought it was really, really well done. So highly rec I definitely highly recommend people checking it out.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

All right, so should we go ahead and wrap this one up? I guess so. All right, well, thank you everybody for listening. Make sure you guys go check out Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere. And till next time, I'm Barry. And I'm Robin, and we will talk to you guys later.