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Unlearning Drumline: One Band One Sound
Drumline offers powerful leadership lessons through the journey of three key characters navigating conflict and change within a college marching band.
• Dr. Lee represents tradition and structure, struggling to adapt to changing times while maintaining excellence
• Sean demonstrates how middle-management leadership requires overcoming insecurity to develop talent rather than controlling it
• Devin embodies raw talent that must learn discipline and structure to reach its potential
• Talent alone gets you noticed, but consistent development and learning are essential for sustainable success
• True leadership means creating opportunities for others to shine rather than seeking validation from those you lead
• Leadership transitions require both honoring established foundations and making space for innovation
• The principle of "one band, one sound" shows how individual excellence must be balanced with team cohesion
• Conflict can be transformative when it forces leaders to grow and adapt their methods
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hello everybody. Welcome to the unlurked podcast. I'm your host, ruth abigail aka ra. What's up, friends? It's your girl jaquita, and this is the podcast that's helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience more freedom. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to our Hello to the people. People, welcome back to our summer series. All right, cue the song.
Speaker 2:Summer, summer, summertime, Summertime, summertime. Just as a note, I sent Ruth Abigail this song because I'm still in disbelief. I'm still in disbelief. I'm still in utter disbelief that this girl did not know that song and when I sent it to her she was like yeah, I'm not really familiar with this. I mean, it is very disappointing and it's something I can't even comprehend. I told her it transcended genre communities, like everybody knows this song, but anywho, y'all, I just wasn't in it.
Speaker 2:I wasn't in it, I wasn't there, but that's alright, and it's not that like she didn't listen to that type of music. She wasn't supposed to. No, I listened to Will Smith. That was acceptable and that's crazy that you would miss. Like what year did it come out? I?
Speaker 1:feel like it was just early.
Speaker 2:I mean it was early, but still, because I remember my parents just don't understand.
Speaker 1:Anyway, to our.
Speaker 2:Summertime series. We going through the movies. Okay, if you been rocking with us, y'all, we been hitting some classics we have. Okay, you might have seen us talk about Love and Basketball by now if you have not checked out the Love and Basketball banger episode. Remember the Titans episode banger. Lion King banger episode listen, y'all get in on this okay, because this series we're kind of in our bag a little bit.
Speaker 1:I think, and I I think I'm feeling this, like it's it, and it's amazing how much you really can learn from these movies. Like it's really. Uh, it's pretty eye-opening really.
Speaker 2:No, it really is like I've like going back and re-watching them. I'm like man, yeah, like we really have. Um, we really have like really, first of all, movies used to like want to teach you something, you know, like like there was like enough substance in them where you know like it was leadership themes were everywhere, you know. And I'm like man, like going back watching the movie we watched today, I was was like, oh man, this is like a leadership podcast dream right here. You know, like even our animated movies like Toy Story, like leadership podcast dream, like you know it's been, it's been really good. Going back and I love rewatching movies I've seen 10 million times Cause I'm looking at all the stuff happening in the background. Now, yes, I'm like now they know we caught them, them like they should have edited that out. That wasn't right. So and that happened a couple of times in our movie today- it did it did.
Speaker 1:So look, if you like this series, let us know. And let us know if y'all want to do it again. Like, because this could be like a nice little tradition we do with y'all, but if y'all don't like it, we ain't gonna gonna do it. You know what I'm saying. So just you know, let us know, we're here for you, we're here for you. So, yeah, this one, okay, this one, this movie is like I really forgot how much I love this movie.
Speaker 1:Like I haven't seen it in a long time, but I forgot how much I loved it and as I was watching it like throughout the day, cause I was just like watching it on my phone in my spare time throughout the day and watching it at the gym you know, and I was, just like great cardio movie, by the way, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Great cardio movie. Yeah, that would be a great cardio movie, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's just good. Okay, all right, we're going to do the part, and if they can catch what it is, all right. You ready? Oh my gosh, here we go. It's on you, all right. One band.
Speaker 2:One band. It's pretty terrible, that's pretty bad. That was at the request of producer Joy. Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:We're happy, so we're happy to oblige, rehearsed it and everything, and I think we botched it I think we botched it um. That was good no, I don't think so. I think she'd probably want to do many takes, but we're not gonna if she didn't like it, she can edit it out okay, because, yeah, because we're not the ability to do that okay, and we didn't, we weren't really committed, we were anywho, all right.
Speaker 2:First of all, this line has so many classic lines. All right, to all my band people. Okay, I'm saying you know, I'm saying this for us. Okay, this movie was for us when this movie dropped. Okay, as a tuba player all right, I know that's not what the movie was about, it was, but as a tuba player, there were so many nuggets in there for us, yes, and I loved every moment of it. Friends, we are talking about the one, the only nick cannon special. All right, best, best movie, best movie he gave us in the early 2000s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, we're talking about drumline line this was the movie for all the people you know, for it's the. It's the non-sport movie that's about a sport get off my nerves.
Speaker 2:Did you see them?
Speaker 1:no, no, no hold on, wait a minute, just hear me out. I am not suggesting that marching band is not a strenuous activity. I don't think sport has to include well, I guess, competition, yeah, okay, okay the movie was about a whole competition. I got it. I got it, you're right. Okay, and that's why I paused, because I reject that. Yeah, because you're wrong. You paused because you're wrong. I don't. That's the only thing. It's a sport. I just think it's an activity that requires a lot of like. You know, Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:Exercise, and that's because you're not in band culture? I'm not. You're not in band culture.
Speaker 1:So y'all can come for me, that's fine.
Speaker 2:Just like before the episode, ruth was like who was your rival, who was the rival band for your high school? Because it's a sport and people have favorites, right, like people are. People are interested. First of all, go to a band competition. See the football stadiums packed with supporters wearing colors. All right, go to a band competition.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know, I want to know, do y'all, do y'all think that? Marching band is a sport. Okay, let us know. If you think marching band is a sport, I'm okay with y'all coming at me. I'm fine with that. It's my personal opinion, that's fine. Again, I respect, I respect the marching band.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. We don't need your respect, we need your acknowledgement of us as a sport.
Speaker 1:Why is it so important that you are?
Speaker 2:a sport because people don't put. People don't put no respect on on an activity, even the way you say it, okay, you don't put no respect on it. I'm sure there's a better word than any who, any, who, like I said, for all the band people, this movie was for us. This movie came out. Yes, my senior year in high school.
Speaker 1:Okay it did not come out your senior year in high school. It came out in 2002. It came out. Yes, my senior year in high school. Okay, it did not come out. It did not come out your senior year in high school. It came out in 2002. It came out your sophomore year in high school that seems wrong.
Speaker 2:Anywho, yeah, by that time I was a section leader. Okay, I was mama tuba. We made a whole poster. Okay, because all of the sections in the band made posters that we put up around the band room. In the middle of the poster we wrote it's a tuba thing, shawty. Okay, we wore. We wore the socks up to the kneecaps and said don't worry about my socks, it's a tuba thing, I. I wore that line out, I know you did. Oh, my gosh, high school Jaquita was ecstatic. Do you hear me?
Speaker 1:This brought up all the high school. Like all of it, all the 15-year-old Ruth Abigail was just having and I think part of the soundtrack, like the music, just the music they were. I was just like take me back.
Speaker 2:One band was playing you know, one band was one bed was hitting and I will say, you know, it's interesting, like there's so many things I love looking at them, like March and rehearsing, and it just takes me back. But there's so many things I love looking at them, like marching, rehearsing, and it just takes me back. But it's interesting Like I remember being in the stands and when we would play you know the more urban schools, sure, uh-huh, and they would be in there playing the top nine at nine over there in the stands, like they playing the music we hear on the radio, and my band director's like, all right, pull out, pull out, hey Baby, and I'm like, and the tubas. We had this one song, it was called no Limit Soldiers and it starts off with, like the tuba line and we used to play that. He got so mad. My band director got so mad at me one day he came and snatched my mouthpiece.
Speaker 1:He would not let me play anymore. What's the line? Can you do it?
Speaker 2:for us please, boom, boom, hey. The line can you do it for us please? Boom, boom, boom, boom. Hey, okay, listen when we and so like we taught it, like all the all the brass knew how to play this song, okay, but the tuba started it off and he hated when we played it.
Speaker 1:That's nevertheless, this is not about my trauma.
Speaker 2:Well, it's okay.
Speaker 1:This is about a young man named devin I actually love that one of us was in the marching band, because this makes this so much more relevant, you know there are things I'm sure you could absolutely directly uh, you know, absolutely. I think it was also a a movie for the musicians. I'm not a marching bander.
Speaker 2:This was not for the pianists.
Speaker 1:It's for musicians, it wasn't for you. Chill out, bro, hold on, man, hold on, because we're not doing that Now. I'm a musician, all right. So I appreciated it for the musicianship and that's something that Dr Lee appreciates Musicianship all right. So we're not coming for me, I ain't coming for you, all right. This we can both. We can both love the movie, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Say any who. We can all love the movie. There was some. There's something for everyone in this movie.
Speaker 2:I think what's key about this movie is that we're really following the journey of three leaders, like, as they are, kind of navigating the landscape of how do I explore my leadership in the midst of conflict, right? And so you have Dr Lee, who's having his own conflict about, you know, keeping the band within kind of this generational framework. Even when it's not appealing to anyone else, he wants to be the leader that says, even though it wasn't popular, I did it the right way. You know like he wants to stick. He's principled. You know he's leading by. You know what he thinks is right and what he thinks is the most excellent way.
Speaker 2:Then you have Sean, who is, you know, section leader. You know he's built his line as he likes to say you know I built this line. You know to look a certain way. You know he's tough. You know because for him leadership is about respect and he hasn't really learned all the other dimensions of what it means to be a leader besides respect and keeping everyone in line on the line. Sorry, it was there. Look at you, I had to do it Right and then we have Devin Youngbuck, you know, full of potential, highly skilled. What did we talk about in one of the episodes? High competence, no, high confidence, low competence.
Speaker 1:High commitment, low competence. High commitment, low competence. But that would be.
Speaker 2:Devin yeah, that's not applicable. I like what I was saying.
Speaker 1:But what Devin would have been was high competence, low commitment.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, that's what I was trying to get at, thank you. But you know he he is, he's finding his way and he's bucking up against everything that doesn't go with. You know who he is and how he is because he hasn't yet learned that he needs to change. So we're going to talk about these three and explore the leadership themes Drum line Drum line.
Speaker 1:Yes. So let's start with Dr Lee, because I think Dr Lee represents tradition in a lot of ways, represents tradition in a lot of ways, and you know it's really easy to spit on tradition when you're younger and you know it's like you don't see the point and you know it's like things got to change when to do things the same way X, y, z. That's true, I agree with that. That's true. I agree with that. Um. However, there's something you gotta anything new has to be built on something solid, and that's where tradition comes in.
Speaker 1:And so I think the upside of dr lee's character is that there was a certain stubbornness and standard he had to keep in order for them to shine and for them for the like he had to do. You can't just turn on a dime every time somebody has a new idea and expect to be excellent. Something has to be the same, something has to. You know, you have to establish structure and order in a system, and that's really what he was doing and like the, the thing that, and we find this, you know, we kind of see his journey. But I think what Dr Lee had to unlearn is that structure does not have to be um, does not have does not have to um necessarily mean stylistic Right. So like in other words, you can, you can have the same structure but a different style, because the beef was really like we want to play different stuff, we don't want to keep playing these pieces that don't seem to fit the moments that we're in, and for him it's like no, we're musicians, this is what musicians do, and there is a structure and a system to good musicianship.
Speaker 1:However, the style can always fluctuate. Right, like you can, you can, you can match the style to the moment, and that's something we see him on unlearning throughout the entire, throughout the movie, to where it's like okay, I can, I'm going to be, I can, um, I'm willing to release my preference, um, within the structure, within the structure. So I think that's something that young people have to. I think it's something younger leaders uh, including myself, like you know, cause there are obviously people that have been in leadership way longer than we have, and they, they are used to a different way of doing things, but what they have contributed has laid the groundwork for us contributing, and what we contribute and what what the younger leaders contribute, is they're able to contribute because of the groundwork that we lay Right. So that's part of, I think, dr Lee's purpose is holding to that groundwork, which is really hard to do when you're, when you feel like you're up against it. And he was not just up against students, he was up against his leadership.
Speaker 2:Right, leadership and the community, the community in general. Nobody you know, like even the bus driver. When they first arrived to the college he said I used to be with y'all boys back in the day, right before you got mr lee. And the drummer said dr, dr lee. And he's like whatever you know, like y'all are whack, y'all in the stairs playing flight of the bumblebee, right, right, it's like you know.
Speaker 2:And I think for dr lee, where he missed the mark is that you have to be able to see the excellence in the generations that come behind you. And you know, like you know what I'm saying. Like, yes, earth, wind and fire made great music and set a standard, right, set a standard that many artists afterwards employed. Right, they use that framework to create their own new sound or whatever, but it had a foundation. But you don't, you can't stay stuck at the beginning, right of a thing, and I think that that's where what dr lee was missing. He wanted to stay stuck in what he had learned and he became resistant to learning anything else. He literally told them when he was all right, we playing earth, wind and fire. And they were like, oh lord. He said who y'all want to play some angie stone?
Speaker 2:I'm so glad they had angie stone in that movie. That's beautiful, because I was just like oh, I still can't believe we lost and that's like that's crazy, that's crazy, it's crazy. But you know he's like y'all want to play some ll cool, j you know, and, and that's like that's crazy, that's crazy, it's crazy. But you know he's like y'all want to play some ll cool, j you know and and it's like some snoop doggie dog, snoop doggie dog, you know like he, he, he.
Speaker 2:But it's almost like he's saying those people are not as good like because they use this, or could it be that they've used that and they've taken it to another level that we need? He was. He was not only resisting change, but his generational superiority was keeping them um, keeping them stuck and and and preventing innovation from flourishing.
Speaker 2:And anytime one person has a chokehold on innovation, we will discontinue growth, we will discontinue moving forward and we will keep doing the same things in the same place and never know what lies beyond the moment that we're in. Yeah, and he kept them stuck in earth, wind and fire. Um, and, to be honest, you know, devin was hot-headed. Devin came in and was, you know, you know blowing all the frameworks out the window. You know you're supposed to be able to do this, devin, like I do me. You know you're supposed to be able to do this, devin, like I do me. You know you're supposed to do this, devin, I do me. That was his whole thing the whole time. But without those change agents, older generations, if they don't learn to hear, not to hear the resistance, because I think a lot of times we get caught in conflict, because we get caught in the fight when really you need to step back and say where is the change that they're suggesting, trying to lead me, yeah, and is it somewhere that we need to go?
Speaker 1:I think it's a little bit of a callback to our conversation. This isn't a generational thing. Bit of a callback to our conversation. It's. This isn't a generational thing, but conversation.
Speaker 1:In the Remember the Titans episode, you got to know when it's your time to move over, like and allow for different leadership and for different moments and different seasons, and that's part of being a leader, Like, I have to understand this isn't my time or I just need to make space for other leaders to come in and and shine. And and, quite frankly, I think this is a um, you know, I think we talked about this before, but being in the kind of role I'm in and the family I'm in of somebody who's a pastor and, um, we talk about this stuff all the time. Just transitions, transitional leadership In the next 10 years, you're going to have a major transition in churches, companies, nonprofits of either founders or long-term leaders from that older, more established, more traditional compared to the generations under them, their leadership. It's going to be a major shift, right? Partly and part of that is part of it is going to.
Speaker 1:Let me say it like this a lot of places won't make it because you have not, you've held on for too long, right.
Speaker 1:So older leaders have held on for too long and have not properly prepared younger leaders to actually be in leadership. You've held them off and held them back, and so you're really you're stifling the existence even of whatever thing you are leading by staying too long and by not moving over, by not making space. And especially nowadays, things are changing much faster than they were when we were in high school. Like, if we were in high school today, it's very possible that we would move more quickly in our career path than we did then. Right, what took us 15 years to get to, maybe would have taken half that time, yeah, Now Right, so things are moving faster, which means you have younger people coming into spaces and spaces of leadership a lot quicker and less prepared. And so we need to, as older leaders, if that, if that's you get start early making space, because it's going to happen, and if we want the thing that we contribute to building to remain, then it's best that we stop trying to fight it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first, an absolutely just amazing example of that leadership transition kind of in play in current and a current example is TD Jakes and Sarah. Jakes, you know, and how, you know, we literally watch the mantle shift Right, and, and, and she was prepared for them. Not only was she prepared for the moment, she was committed to, to her own growth in the moment that she was in, before she got to the moment.
Speaker 2:You know, she, she was already building herself, whether or not she was going to get, whether or not she was going to end up becoming the leader of the Potter House Right, that was, that was irrelevant to the development that she was doing for herself by herself, right. But the moment and I think that that's a that's a thing that a lot of a lot of leaders miss is that we keep thinking about how we want to be elevated to this or that, but what are you doing in the moment where no one sees you? What are you doing in the moment where you don't have the big platform? You know, what are you? One thing, you know, I think about and it's not me bragging on myself, because it's probably crazy, but when I was in college and I had a radio show, you did have a radio show, I did have a radio show.
Speaker 2:A lot of people today still ask me if I'm in radio. They say you have a radio voice. And I'm like, well, you know, I did have a radio show for a year but I remember they told us, they told everybody who had a show. They're like, hey, the station is broken, we don't think it's actually reaching anyone, we don't think anyone can hear you. I still went up there every Monday, you did every Monday. I prepared a show. I had my set list and I have.
Speaker 2:It was called encouragement radio and I had my encouraging word at the end because my thought was Lord, what if somebody? What if it does work and they don't know it? And what if someone is depending on us? And what if you know? That was the way my mind worked and that is.
Speaker 2:I have to continue to bring that example back to myself. When I get in spaces where I feel like I can slack off, I feel like, eh, nobody really paying no attention anyway, or this ain't really going to help anybody, so I don't really need to do it. I have to be reminded that it's what you do in the moments that are unseen, that build you up for the moments where you are on a platform. You know what I'm saying. That's highly visible and I think that we've also been like that with the podcast. You know there's been some episodes. We'll know who watched. No idea, you know no idea. But I think that that's one thing that the movie points to is that consistency is a requirement, like it is not about how talented you are, it's about how consistent Can we consistency and dependable right? Like can we depend on you to show up for the moment, right, and can you consistently deliver the same results in different settings?
Speaker 1:Um, and I think this is a good pivot to Devin, because what you, what you were describing with the Sarah Jakes situation? Sarah Jakes Roberts.
Speaker 2:Sarah Jakes Roberts.
Speaker 1:I think it's an excellent example, real time, because she developed, she had her own story and then, when she came onto the scene, as we knew it, she was coming into a system and even though she had her own story, her own style, she had to work within the system, and so we weren't behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:We don't know what happened right as far as like how that worked and some of the challenges I would imagine, because there are challenges everywhere Um, when you kind of have the way you do things and like it's worked for you, and then you get onto it, you know, into a new space or new level, whatever you want to, however, you want to say it, um, and then your way is, then people, other people, try to fit your way into their system and it's like yo, I need to be free to do me. You know what I'm saying, what you know, devin's, like you know, I can't nobody teach me how to do me. I do me, you know. And what, dr Lee, and this is the, this is the you say all the time this is the necessity of mentorship. You need people who will, who will look you in the eye and say doing you got you this far, but it will get you no further. You doing you get you this far, but it will get you no further.
Speaker 2:This is what you have come to the end you've come to the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what Devin needed to do, that he didn't want to do, is he had to learn a new skill. He had to learn to read music. And it wasn't that dr lee was saying that just because he wanted him to read music, because he just believed in reading music so much he knew that where devin could go, he can't go. If he doesn't read, he can't do it yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2:you know, I'm saying, you can even walk outside, like if you do join an ensemble or become a famous drummer or something, if they say hey, we're playing this, this piece, let's run it. Well you can't run it.
Speaker 1:Can't run it, can't run it, you can't, you don't, and that that's, and I think it's such a, it's such an important thing, right? For those who aren't as familiar with the, with the plot, devin is a is a freshman coming to college. He's a brilliant, you know, percussionist and he's on the band. He's better than everybody else. He clearly is better, um, and we get to this uh moment in the movie where, um, his uh section leader which we'll talk about in a second he's jealous of him. He calls him out Big brother, man, big brother, he calls him out for not being able to read music. And that's one of the requirements to be on the band. And so Dr Lee basically was like you're going to be. He didn't kick him off, but he did say I'm dropping you from, basically, level one to level four. You won't be on the field until you take this class. And he's like I'm not taking no class, can't no class, teach me how to do me. And it's like hey, bro, if you want to keep doing this, you're going to have to take the class, like, because you need to learn how to do this. And I think for your, this is where this idea of talent and like there are, are and I say this all the time in memphis, because it's true, I and I ain't just saying this, people say this everywhere memphis, I think, has the most musical talent anywhere. I could think of just natural talent. It's just in the water, it's. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:Um, I became a better musician because I moved here. I did, like I started playing with people that were just better than me. Just, it's just like they, just they just knew what they were doing. One of the reasons I could do that, though, is because because I learned how to do, I was trained musically Right. A lot of people I played with weren't necessarily trained musically like that. They didn't go to school, they didn't go through the classes I did. It's the only reason I could even hang with them, and so I like and I use that as an example it's like you. I needed. I needed that. I have talent, but I needed I needed structure and teaching.
Speaker 1:I need a structure and teaching to get me to my next level, whatever. That is Right, and so um, for, for, for, and we know so many talented people there's. There's talented people on bill street. Me and my husband go on bill street every now and again, people playing like crazy. I mean, just like, why don't you have a deal? How is it that you aren't like crazy famous? I mean, just, these people are stupid talented and you've never heard of them and most people probably never will, and that's okay. But there's always something more you have to do to get past where you are, and if you're unwilling to do that, you'll always be where you are, no matter what your talent looks like. Like talent is really the first step, and so I think unlearning that talent is enough. It's not enough If you want to get further. It's not enough Now. If you cool with where you are cool, do your thing. If you want to get further, it's not enough now if you cool with where you are cool, do your thing.
Speaker 2:If you want to be big fish in a small pond, do it, absolutely do. And I will say, as an, you know, as an example, you know, I think about my uh, my first job in uh, when I switched over to student affairs and I was doing um campus, I was, you know, the first person who had done it at Greenville Tech. In like five, six years, started completely from scratch. It's a smaller technical school, you know. And so everything I did there made a big splash and it was easy because I'm naturally, you know, exuberant and you know, energetic and charismatic and I'm fun. Ok, I'm a ton of fun. Ok, I'm going to make sure, I'm going to make sure everybody around me is having a fantastic time. It really doesn't matter what we're doing.
Speaker 2:And the first year, I would say the first couple of months, I emceed all the events until I could get my students trained to do it. Like I was like, hey, I need y'all to do it, like I do it, but I'm going to, I'm going to train y'all up. But I emceed all the events because I knew I could keep the energy. I could da, da, da, da, da. You know, I knew I could, I could lead that momentum when I got to the bigger school that I'm at now and I went from being a team of me and an administrative assistant to a team of 17 people who do what I did in different ways, 17 people who were over involvement in leadership initiatives, who were over involvement in leadership initiatives and all of a sudden, I was no longer that girl.
Speaker 2:You know, like when I was on campus and it was just me, my assistant and my students, it was like, oh yeah, she that girl. You know what I'm saying when Jaquita show up, things about to shift, things about to happen. You know what I'm saying. We know it's going to be a great time. Now I'm on a team of 17 people and everybody's amazing, you know. And so it took me a moment because I realized that my ability was not going to be what helped me to be a person of impact. It was going to be my development and my willingness to shift and pivot and grow. Yeah, but if you think, if I had come into this bigger school that has a more national profile and is known for its student experience you know the Greenville Tech when I was at the technical school and nobody was like you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm going to that technical school to have a good time. Right, I'm going there for my student experience. Nobody's thinking that these people got jobs.
Speaker 1:Right, you know these people grown. Most of them, some of them got kids. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like they're not like, yeah, I'm going to grade, but now I'm at this place where we, a lot of times, when we shift from being in these places because even in high school, you know, devin was that guy, anybody who could get away during, during a graduation, with doing their own thing, right, when he did that. But he's introduced to us as a I only want to do what I enjoy, right, I only, and I and I and I want to be the person that makes the big splash, that's it. You know, I want to be that person, but a lot of it is, you know, and the movie shows us. It's like they're like we got to put the scene in the movie, so we know that. You know where Devin's issues come from. You know. So, like after graduation, he tells his mama you know what I'm saying. I'll be home in a little bit. You know I got something I got to do. I was never able to just tell my mom I got something I got to do.
Speaker 1:No, without explanation. The nation what is that? Yeah, exactly, where are you going and where will you be and what time you come back?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it was hey, I got something. I gotta do. What? No, absolutely not. What you gotta do is come home, but nevertheless, y'all know me, in this air pod we be struggling. But you know he goes and he pulls up to a train station or a bus goes and he pulls up to a train station or a bus station, subway Sure, you know he's in New York, you know I'm from South Carolina, we ain't got no subway, but nevertheless he and he puts, he puts his graduation announcement in the window and this man is like what is this? Right? It's like, sir, look at at the name, the name is on it. And then he says I'm devon, and he was. He still looks at him like how absentee of a father could you be that? You looking at your own child like how?
Speaker 1:long have you been out of his life? It had to have been a long time. He didn't recognize the, the man. He's a man now Shoot.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, it's bananas, but it shows all of that resentment. He held all of that until he graduated. And it goes back to this I need to prove myself, motif that Devin has. He's like, hey, I graduated, I ain't got no kids, I'm going to college, you know. Then they, like, they got to tell us that he going to college, atlanta A&T was hilarious to me as the name of a college, right, atlanta A&T, like okay, so you know, I'm going to Atlanta A&T on a full scholarship, you know. And so it it that that that moment that we see in that subway it's propelled forward in his moments with other characters throughout the movie. Right, it's. I don't have to prove anything, I did it by myself. I don't need no music class, I did it by myself. I don't need your instruction, your guidance. You ain't my daddy, I don't need you Right, because I did it by myself, because that that was what he learned to hold on to in order to make himself feel worthy.
Speaker 2:But the, the, the band's model is one band, one sound, right, and so now it becomes. And I think when we look at and I'm sorry, ruth, I'm about to pass the mic in a moment, but I think when we look at kind of the structure of who's in what leadership spot and what their role is on this band, on this team, right, because this is literally one big team right, and so you have Dr Lee, who is he's at the top right. Who is he's at the top right? He is not doing the one-on-one development with these newbies, with these freshmen. That's why he has section leaders and drum majors, right. He comes in every once in a while. He's like all right, now, follow me, he does whatever.
Speaker 2:But really it is the job of the section leader to develop the people that's in their sections. Hello, middle management. Yeah, all right, listen, y'all know I am a believer in middle management. Right, because it is not.
Speaker 2:Dr lee cannot get down on the ground and start developing the leadership potential and the and the and the ability to to walk out purpose and destiny within the confines of a team. He cannot do that with every single person on the band. That's why he has established an order that allows that to happen. He is trying to set the vision and the direction of where the band is going to go and how they're going to show up in their next season, in their next thing, right. Then we have Sean, who we haven't talked about yet, but section leader, right, he is supposed to be developing, right, and so he's having a one-on-one clash with this man. We don't really get to know much about Sean's story, right, but we know Devin's story and Devin is clashing with this authority that is trying, that is trying to tell him that he can only fit in if he does this one thing. Yeah, and so I think it's important that we, that we realize where we sit on a team and what our responsibility is in those different roles different roles.
Speaker 1:So I'd like to go back for just a second to to the, to the talent conversation, because I think this is important for younger leaders, um to don't ruse it back to my point.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no. I thought about it as you were talking, because this one of the things I used to when I taught, taught piano to kids, one of the things that I used to tell them was I used to tell their parents, I used to ask their parents, I said what are they? Why do they want to learn this? Like, why do they want to take piano lessons? And um, because I would explain. I said there is a difference between learning a song or learning songs and learning music, and I can do either one, but you need to tell me which one, because it's two different paths. Right, and what I found is that most students want to learn songs. Yeah, totally understandable. Yeah, because you want to be able to do what Devin was doing, you want to be able to be the star of the show, you want to be able to make the splash, you know, you want to be able to shine, right, and like, hey, guys, look what I can do. Yeah, learning music is about learning language, it's about learning communication, it's an art, it's a, it's art and skill, um, and you have to develop that over time. And so I, I understood the difference my my teacher when I got to her, uh, in high school she would tell me I was so used to being with teachers who've just kind of let me get away with learning songs. I was a lot like Devin in that I was not a great sheet music. I wasn't a great. I didn't read music well, I could very easily watch somebody play and do what they did and I memorized it really quickly so I didn't have to read the music right and that was kind of what I did. Well, and a lot of my teachers most of my teachers let me get away with that and people were like, oh my gosh, you know, she's so good man not really. I just know how to play songs really well because I practice them and I memorize them Well. My teacher in high school she, she's the one who taught me how to do music. She taught me how to become a musician, which was much more than learning songs, and the key to that process is really repetition on things that you don't understand at the time. It's patterns and repetition patterns and repetition and repetition patterns and repetition patterns and repetition. I spent more hours doing warmups and scales than I did learning my pieces, but when I got to the piece I was a lot better at it because I did all that pre-work.
Speaker 1:My point is, if you are, as a leader, if you are not practicing the little things over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, if you are not being repetitive, if you're not reading the books, if you're not, you know, meeting with the mentor, if you are not like, disciplined in some version of learning and study on things that have nothing to do with the moment, forget the moment. It's not about that Like you've got to be prepared for that. So when the moment comes, you're always ready for it and it won't take you. I don't have to sit there and stare and feel like, oh, or watch somebody else do it before I do it Right, because I'm not prepared, and so that preparation is over time. It's development and I think that as young leaders sometimes we can be we want. We're so ready for the moment, for us to shine, for us to do our thing. You know for us to, for our project to get pushed to the front, for our idea to be implemented.
Speaker 1:But you haven't been doing the little things, you aren't on time, you haven't turned in your paperwork, you didn't read the article you're supposed to read. You didn't come to the meeting prepared, but you want your idea, but your idea is great and it's a great idea, but I can't get you to a meeting on time, I can't get you to answer emails Right Like that. That kind of those seem small. But if you want the moment, you have to do the little stuff. You got to do the little stuff and so I just wanted to just put put a point on that, because your talent is not again. Talent is is level one and if you're stuck on talent, you're on level one. Um, you're on level one and uh so, but yeah, that's Devin, and he learned, he got there but, like you said, quinta took conflict to get there.
Speaker 1:Um and that, that, that particular that particular that that prop, that big conflict was with sean um, also known as big brother, iron man big brother iron man um, who listen, sean I? He didn't smile until the last like 15, that's so true.
Speaker 2:He actually didn't smile like he was so, but a really serious guy, you know very serious, like stuck you know, stick up your butt.
Speaker 1:Kind of dude. I mean he really was kind of like do you that's funny, because that's a line that the other band director said about dr lee yeah so you still true?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but in a way that is like you know, dr Lee was principled. Yeah, sean is. He was a little like power he wanted to be powerful, yes, right. He wanted the. You know every time they laughed, you know he took the fun right out of it and you know like when. Oh my God, the white drum. I can't remember his name right now. Hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's great. Jason, Jason, Jason.
Speaker 2:Yeah he was. I could have been a P1 at UGA or Georgia Tech in a minute. And I was thinking in my mind, bro, you probably should have went to UGA or Georgia Tech. But when the drum major said they ain't got enough black people, and he said and no, sir, they don't have enough black people. And the whole band laughs and Sean goes now you done messed up the cake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro, we in the rain going boom, boom like bruh.
Speaker 2:What is the point? Right, like dr lee says, the band can take a break. Right, do you know? I don't see, you weren't on a marching band so you might not be familiar, but the breaks are few and far in between.
Speaker 2:You don't get a lot of breaks, right, they run you to the last, your last possible, your last mordicum of strength. You know your last? Wow, yeah, that's not a real word, right, but I was hoping you would just more, but you didn't. More soul, sure, sure, right, you're at your last teensy, weensy bit, yes, of strength, right, and then they finally say all right, five minute water break. Yeah, and that's all you get.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying so if you tell me I can't go on a water break because we do not rest with the bed but get out my face. Uh, fun fact, my mom, uh, at one point in my life's development, like they thought like I might have like a hole in my heart I didn't, but they thought that they heard something. And so my mom I have a vivid memory of my mother watched marching into the band director closing his door take I, he had like all glass. So I just hear her like, and what you gonna do is, and then the band director said came out and he was like you can have a water break whenever you'd like and if you and if you need to put your tuba down, you can put your tuba down, that's hilarious, and so I would like nobody else would be having a water break and I would just walk to the side Give me a sip, because my mama had my back.
Speaker 2:Okay, got me out here. You know it worked for my back. Okay, got me out here. You know it worked for my good, okay, but you know it was, it was. It was a power thing. Yeah, it was modicum. Thank you, thank you, I knew I was close. Thank you, thank you so much, producer joy. Right, it was, it was a power thing.
Speaker 2:Because to him, that's what, what leadership meant. It meant not only am I powerful, but I have control. I have control of who gets in the section. I have control of what they look like and what they do in the section. I have control of the personality of a section. And what I think every middle manager has to learn is that that is the first thing that you have to give up. You have to give up this idea because because he's not, you know, he, he, uh, in his mind, he thinks that he's focused on the line, but he's focused on the line as defined by him, by him right and Right, and again, each character was presented with a conflict that forced them to grow. Yeah Right, as soon as he saw Devin, he ain't want him. No, you know, I'm saying the dude is a beast, right, but it's not that, and I don't even think that it was that Devin was better than him. I think it was that Devin was influential.
Speaker 1:I think it was that Devin was influential. Yeah, I, yes, I think that's part I do, I do, but I still think that he's better, him being better than him.
Speaker 2:He didn't know that at first Devin hadn't played anything, like they didn't get a drum until like the second day well, that's true. Well, he was very defiant, like he was, just like, yes, he was defiant, he was not gonna, he was not going to fit into his little mold and do do the things that he wanted done in the way that he wanted to.
Speaker 1:He wasn't scared of him and he wasn't scared of him and he couldn't be controlled. I mean to your point yes he couldn't be controlled and that I think you're right, like he definitely did, did not, he did not like that and he didn't know how to handle that Right.
Speaker 2:And so well. I think this is the mistake that we as leaders can easily make is that when someone comes in and they present themselves as different, different, defiant, stubborn, won't fit in, we form a thought that says you are a threat. And what do you do with threats? You eliminate them. So the entire first half of the movie he is creating setups to get this man to break what know what's the last rule in the rule book? All right, if you don't shave your head, you can't be on the band. If you don't like it, leave.
Speaker 2:You know he got him polishing the drums, knowing good and well, you wouldn't ask any other P1 to be back there polishing the drums. Actually, I just really feel like everyone can polish their own drum, like I just really feel like having one person polish all the drums is ridiculous. I polish my own too, but every time, okay, we all did. I'm not. We're not sending no one person in there to polish, but anyways, that's neither here nor there, you know. But you know like he's creating. You want my solo? Take it. You know he gonna freeze like any other freshman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, and all his little setups kept backfiring, right, because you're trying so hard instead of cultivating, our becoming. And this is where I think we all hit. And I think, ruth, this is where you and I hit, at one point where we realized that the type of leader that we were was not going to be effective for for the team that we had. Yes, and you get to a point where you, your power, you're controlling, your do as I say don't ask me any questions, don't, don't, don't buck against anything. That's not gonna work when you have, especially when we're thinking about it in terms of generation, from generation to generation, that ain't going to work. Y'all go talk to Gen Z like that if you want to.
Speaker 1:No, you're absolutely right, and I think the thing as I'm playing back the movie in my head, he eventually gets there. The movie in my head, um, he eventually gets there. But sean could have avoided a lot of this by thinking but by getting out of his um doer bag and get into his delegation bag, when the fact that he said I'm gonna teach two things he did, he said, said I'm going to teach you the part right before my solo.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, like like him saying that when you have somebody who is better than you at something as a leader, there's. There's two options he could have had there. He could have said I'm going to have Devin teach y'all this part by my last solo. He's. It's very complicated because Devin knew it and he, as a leader, you should know that. He knows it because you you heard him already. You know he knows this. You saw his audition right. The second way is give him the solo. Devin, I'm going to give you this solo. Now that what he. But but because of his perception of what leadership was and I think at that point, his insecurity, he didn't make a good decision. He just created a barrier between him and the line. I mean he was really just doing that.
Speaker 2:He was just continuing to do that.
Speaker 1:And so I think that, as as leaders you have, you have to watch out for the moment that is presented to you, to hand over opportunities to the more talented people and to people who are in that space. That where they need to flex their talent. Yeah, as a, as he had been on that for three years, he'd need to flex his talent. He, he knew what he could do and other people knew what he could do, but you have freshmen who need to flex their talent because they're not leaders yet. You're not there, but if I don't um create space for you to shine, you're going to bust out and do exactly what devin did and you're just going to buff the system, because that's what you're going to bust out and do exactly what Devin did, and you're just gonna buff the system, because that's what you're craving and that's part of being a leader is watching that, and noticing that and saying, okay, here you go, I'm gonna give you this right.
Speaker 2:Yeah he eventually does do that and not give it in a like I'm gonna watch him fail. No, not like that. And that was the problem. You know, he called, he kept calling him a hothead and I was like that's such a funny term. But like you know, like he was like a thug, you know a hothead, it's like, first of all, when you look back at the movie, I was like Nick Cannon, a thug come on. Let's be for real.
Speaker 2:All right, this was not Boys in the hood, correct? All right, this was a young man who you know could throw a temper tantrum every once in a while.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the straight backs, the straight backs. Let me tell you something Nick Cannon invented, like every. We still call me and my sister call them the Nick Cannons. Hey, you got them, nick Cannons. Okay, the straight backs, with no hang time.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, the straight backs with no hang time, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know the, the, the, our generation went in with that, but you know it's funny. You know we didn't have stitch braids, okay, we didn't have cute cornrows back in our time. All right, they just braided it straight back and that's all you got. That's it. Um, and shout out to nick cannon who cut his hair for a movie. You know, I always like seeing people do stuff like that. True, he did.
Speaker 2:You know like yeah you know I take a haircut for a check.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and he also. He may have grown his hair for a movie, you know, nah, because Did he already have the cornrows?
Speaker 2:I feel like he did Maybe. Yeah, and that's a lot of hair growth. It is quite a bit. Yeah, it was quite a bit, but I think that, like Sean, because he typecasted him, it allowed him to only treat him one way.
Speaker 2:And you know, the thing that came to my mind was like when you are thinking about who's on your team, you should be able to do SWOT analysis for the people. You should know what their strengths are, you should know what their weaknesses are, you should know the opportunities that they can grow in and that they can flourish in, and you should know what's going to threaten their ability to develop and not see them as a threat but say what is it that is going to threaten your ability to thrive, but that is going to threaten your ability to thrive? But that is the part of leadership that he was missing was that leadership is not about me being great or the line being great. Leadership is about me continuously thinking of ways to create pathways for your success that's right and for the flourishing of us as a team, but also for the team does not flourish unless every individual right and his line was like when he sold him out that scene where he was like Devin got it. I want to hear Devin play it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, like everything you're saying, that he could have done. Right, sean did, but he did it with the wrong intent. Yeah, that he could have done.
Speaker 2:Right, sean did, but he did it with the wrong intent. Right, he did it with an intent to expose, when the very function of leadership is to cover. It's to cover that while you're developing, you are in a safe place where I got your back and I know because I'm the leader and because, as the leader, I have probably been where you are in a lot of different ways. I know you're not going to get everything right. I know you're going to fail at some stuff. I know some of your ideas are not going to go all the way through. I know again, I have a SWOT analysis for you. I know what your potential drawbacks are. I know that.
Speaker 2:But if I, as a leader, decide to expose that in a way that jeopardizes your future, right, and he was so set in his mind that he was doing the right thing, and that was what was problematic is that you became focused on eliminating somebody instead of covering them. And how much different would your attitude toward him have been if your mindset was already set on covering development, creating opportunities. If you had been that type of leader, what type of follower would Devin have been? I?
Speaker 1:think it's worth asking the question how, what prevents people from becoming that kind of leader? And and ask like why, why wouldn't he have done that? And and I think one of the answers is true is insecurity. I mean, when you don't have the confidence and of when you don't have confidence in yourself, you leave room for that kind of behavior. And so you know, and asking yourself, just continue to ask yourself these questions, like what threatens your confidence? Like what threatens your confidence, what makes you not confident? And making sure that you are taking time to taking time to eliminate that particular barrier for yourself, so that you never get into a place to where your insecurity is insecurity, because people, you'll, nobody grows like that, nobody grows like that.
Speaker 1:And so I think for Sean, he had to. I think for Sean and this was a this was from a moment in the movie that actually hadn't caught before Like where he was, they were in the band room and and and devin comes in and he wants to. You know he had been kicked off the band because he started a fight with. He technically didn't start the fight, he, he instigated it, but he ain't started um, and so uh, with the with another band, and so dr lee kicks him off and he listens to these tapes that his dad sends him in the mail. And then I love that connecting point.
Speaker 2:I'm healed now but that's important. You gotta visit the place that broke you yeah, and he did and he was like he has ideas.
Speaker 1:He wanted to lay down his tracks in the band room. Sean was in there. They get into it and you know he's like. You know, uh, let me prove. You know some about being better, like they're going to have who's being better, who's better, who's better, who's better, and that was the fight that was at hand. So they go and they start to battle and they go toe for toe. They go toe for toe and they stop at the same time and then Sean releases it. It wasn't that. You know, nobody messed up, nobody. You know, nobody got tied, nobody got off, none of that. They, literally they went toe for toe. It was a tie and he let him have it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that, to me, was when Sean I think for Sean and this is real, and I think you have to as leaders I mean you're not, you're not immune to this you need to get your confidence back. And so for Sean, that may have been his moment to remind himself I can't hang with this kid, we, I, you know. And for him it's like I can hang, I'm going to let him have it. That's a maturity that Devin didn't have and nobody was asking from Devin but from Sean, that was required of him. And he found his confidence again and he found where he could actually function as a true leader and not to um jockey for his position as the top talent and so to. To me, that was a very key moment. He let him have it and Devin was like he started jumping to get yeah, I'm the best, you know. And Devin was like I mean, and Sean was like yes, you are the best and you know not be the best without the line right, and so that was a leadership.
Speaker 2:It was a leadership line yeah it was a leadership when you can get to the level of like a one-liner, absolutely. You know, yeah, hit, hit him right in the heart. You know, like, when you can say stuff like that and you don't go. You know I'm past the point of a lecture. All right, I'm not, finna, sit here and lecture you, all right. Um, first of all, we too tired, we too old, I ain't, I ain't got and I ain't got the time. Okay, hit him with the one line. Okay.
Speaker 2:But I think that it was so key because he finally saw him. Yeah, he finally saw him as not a hothead or a thug, but as a kid who was really hurt and who was expressing that hurt through his position and through his music. Yes, right, like you gotta be the best because there's something you're missing. Yeah, right, and I can help. Like I can, I can help, I can help. And he finally got into a point yeah, right, and I can help, I can help you.
Speaker 2:And he finally got into a point, finally got to a point of leadership as covering, leadership, as providing opportunity and pathways towards success, leadership as collaboration, because he too had to realize he ain't know everything. That's right. And I think that's another thing that a leader has to realize that devin was indeed a better player, not just a better player, but that there was a composer on the inside of him. Because devin didn't know. And that's when you have to start thinking okay, is it a weakness or is it an opportunity? That's right. Devin can't read music. That's a fact. The boy needed to learn how to read music, like you needed to honor your craft. You needed, you needed that skill set because it's going to translate in other areas, right.
Speaker 2:But his ability, his inability to read music, allows him to create riffs and right, I played the tuba right, yeah, yeah, you know, like he didn't even realize that he was actually a composer, and but when sean unlocked that in him, when you unlock what's really in your team, you create a new relationship where you can begin to build a trust that then allows you to lead them. Nobody wants to be led, though, by somebody that can't activate something inside.
Speaker 2:That's absolutely true, that's right when he activated composer right Because now Devin now Devin is not just playing drums, he listening to tapes and putting music together. Now I mean that's kind of bananas, because he done mixed up something for the band, not for the drum line for the band.
Speaker 2:Now we're unlocking visionary. Now we're unlocking maybe, a future Dr Lee. Now we're unlocking a pathway. That Devin who said he didn't know why he came to college, he wasn't thinking about college until Dr Lee came to recruit him. Now we're looking at somebody, realize that there's more destiny in front of them. Right, but until you get to that point, the only way you can become that leader is if you are able to separate. Separate your, like you said, your insecurities. Right Are the way and your perceptions and what you're putting on the moment. Until you can separate what it is, you cannot be a leader and be needy. No, you cannot pull from the team. No, you cannot pull from the team. No, you cannot pull from the team. You cannot require that the team give you almost anything. You cannot, you cannot. And when I say that I mean emotionally no, right, they are not going to. You got to get that outside the team.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:You got to have some support. You know you need a, he need a girlfriend, probably, probably that's probably what I held. Yeah, he needed. He needed a friend yeah, and he wasn't even friend with the rest of the p1. He wasn't, he was. That was like man, you wrong for what you did. He good, he's strong and you know. You know like they were all mad at him until devon started throwing punches. They were like man, get your whack behind.
Speaker 2:You know anybody mean we haven't even mentioned the best line in the movie. All right, I don't know what the beef is between y'all, but you better grill it up and eat it. Child, that went platinum in my high school.
Speaker 1:We were saying that all along. That was a great line, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, I honestly think, until we, as leaders, one stop looking for your fulfillment to come, stop for your fulfillment as a person. You want to feel important, you want to feel, you know, worthy, you want to feel uplifted and respected. You're not going to. You may get those things I'm not saying that you won't get that but don't go in requiring it because you're going to make it about you. You're going to make it about you getting whatever emotional need is emotional need that you have. You're going to make it about you getting fulfilled instead of you fulfilling your purpose in that, in that space, instead of you fulfilling your purpose in that, in that space. And I think that's one of the most important lessons that we as leaders can learn is that you don't go to the thing that you're leading, pulling from it.
Speaker 2:No you know, and I think now that's not to say that people within your organization cannot pour back into you. Right, they should Right, that's right, but you cannot go. If you are building structures around you being served, you're not leading. You will ultimately cease leading.
Speaker 1:Yes, you will and should, because you're not ready for that. You're not ready, okay.
Speaker 2:Drumline.
Speaker 2:Drumline is a good movie you know I I, I, I feel like we have to mention morris college. You know like they, first of all, hilarious who's that? J anthony brown, absolutely hilarious, and him up against orlando, like comedy, great comedy. Okay, when they were at the, when they were at that game and you know he's playing, they did the, yeah, when they did that. And then Dr Lee was like, ah, what is this Hip hop? Right, give him a flight of the bumblebee. You know, flight of the bumblebee. And the crowd is not moving.
Speaker 2:You know, I just think you know, without the conflict of the movie, you know, and without navigating these, these high tense moments, these high impact moments, and allowing everybody in the band had to change because Devin, when Devin changed, he became the change agent that allowed Dr Lee to move the vision forward. Because we were stuck at Earth, wind and Fire and you can't take that to the BET classic like, do you watch 106 and Park at all? Also, shout out to Free and AJ. Okay, I don't know what y'all grew up on, okay, but that those were our people, okay.
Speaker 1:That's 100% our people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those were our people, right. Free and AJ was it right. But you cannot go to the BET Classics with Earth, wind, fire when we watching 106 and Park every night, correct?
Speaker 1:Correct.
Speaker 2:You know, and so Devin fueled, he fueled the, the band getting over the hump, um, but he couldn't do that without Sean.
Speaker 1:No, he couldn't do it without.
Speaker 2:Sean yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Dr Lee could not have moved, could not have done what he did without both of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, um it really it, it, it works together. I mean the conflict is so key. Um, yeah, everyone came out better. It did it. Really it works together. I mean the conflict is so key, yeah everyone came out better it did. Everyone came out better. Look that the BET classic scene is classic.
Speaker 2:First of all, I would also like to say Petey Pablo, on the field, I was like what. I didn't even think their set was that good. I didn't either.
Speaker 1:It wasn't it was dark, we can't even see what they doing that good, I didn't either. It was like it was dark, we can't even see what they doing. Yeah, and he was out there and it was just that, and I don't think it was a tie, to be fair.
Speaker 2:I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't it wasn't, but the the drum line part at the end was was fantastic, oh, excellent. Shout out to the female drummers. I understand, as a female tuba player, you know what I'm saying. Okay, we hold it down. All right, one love. Shout out to all my band people, all right Y'all know what it is.
Speaker 1:Shout out to the band people man.
Speaker 2:Shout out to the band people.
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