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Unlearning The Devil Wears Prada
We must learn to recognize how environments change us and evaluate whether our transformations align with our true selves. The journey of Andy in The Devil Wears Prada illustrates the tension between ambition and purpose.
• Ambition has a shadow side that can reveal unexpected aspects of ourselves
• The tradeoffs required when trying to "have it all" necessitate hard choices
• Transformational relationships often come from seeing leaders behind the scenes
• Watch the people you spend the most time with—you'll become more like them
• Middle managers need to stop trying to impress and start developing others
• Adding value comes from knowledge and communication, not just doing more
• Maintain activities that keep you grounded through periods of transformation
• Your values must remain consistent even as you grow and evolve
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Speaker 1:Look at us. We're getting better at that.
Speaker 2:I know it just dawned on me. It was like a moment, it was like a hey, get it together.
Speaker 1:Let's act like we've done this for a while. You know what I'm saying. I know right.
Speaker 2:Are we a?
Speaker 1:year in. Yes, I think we're a year in. We're a year in. We've done this for a year, I think yeah.
Speaker 2:Sure feels like that. We might be close. We might be close. Yeah, I think we're close to a year. I think in August it'll be a year.
Speaker 1:But give us. We're just kind of you know, thinking, reminiscing, you know what I mean like just trying to figure out, you know that's a middle adult thing where we've been, you don't, you don't reminisce in your 20s? You know you ain't got nothing to reminisce on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you ain't got nothing to reminisce on, but in your, in your middle adult years. Ah, I remember I remember, when I remember back in them days, oh lord know, oh Lord.
Speaker 1:Speaking of remembering, we are talking about movies, and we're talking about the movies that shaped us in our youth.
Speaker 1:Well, that might be a little much, but we're talking about movies we liked and we saw in our younger years and kind of like, what are we unlearning from those from those movies and what can they teach us? And so, uh, we have done several and if you haven't checked them out, you should do that. This is our um, this is our summer series. Y'all, we're having a good time doing it and if you like, you like, we would love to know from y'all like what movie shaped y'all Like? What movies did you enjoy growing up? You know what I mean Like drop it in the comments.
Speaker 1:Let us know what movies you are saying Like yeah, I probably have to unlearn from that.
Speaker 2:Listen. I think that's so important though, because the things that we watched, I mean I think we all can like go through like the Disney franchise and like think through all the things that we watched. I mean I think we all can like go through like the disney franchise and like, oh yeah, think through all the things, but like there were there were so many influences in your childhood that are still playing around. I think that's why people got so mad at love and basketball, because sure, sure we allowed that movie to be a template for us.
Speaker 1:We did For relationships, for love, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that when we realized what life was really about, how relationships really work, and when we really found ourselves in these situations, we was like yo, this is trash. Yeah, this is not it All right and I plan to unlearn all of this.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think the movie that we're talking about today, I think taught us so much about what needed to be unlearned in the workplace. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, if you haven't guessed it by now, or if you just haven't even looked at the subtitle because you know it's written right there, it's right there, all right, all're talking about. The devil wears prada okay starring the meryl streep. Okay, and before we even get into this conversation, me and ruth abigail had a little tip for I was gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1:I was gonna bring it up, go ahead, go ahead. Because I, just like quita is would put this movie in the category of a classic and I just disagree. I am, it doesn't mean. I don't think it's a great movie and I think it's loved by many. I don't think it's a classic. I don't see it in that category.
Speaker 2:I don't. I absolutely don't understand your life, your logic, your thinking. I don't understand none of that because the devil the devil wears Prada is on everybody's list, Like everybody has this movie somewhere in their top like 20 movies.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you right now, it is nowhere near Okay.
Speaker 2:Everybody has everybody who doesn't like this movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, we need to know, we need to know, we need to know, I need to know. Like this movie. We need to know, we need to know, I need to know is devil wears prada in your top 20? I need to know, I need to know, we need to know, listen, hit us up.
Speaker 2:Okay is the devil wears prada, a classic. Like if somebody told you you could never watch that movie again, how would you? You feel Totally fine, 100% okay. Because you're whack, okay, but the rest of us absolutely not. The devil was, first of all, we all rock with Meryl Streep.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? She's a million other amazing movies.
Speaker 2:First of all, I'm not no, no, no, no, no, we all rock with Meryl Streep, but I think this movie is the one where I'm saying it like this we, the community was like that girl.
Speaker 1:good, she's alright with us.
Speaker 2:Listen, I don't care what you say, I care not. I care not because I don't understand.
Speaker 1:I don't agree. I don't agree. We need to know we're having this argument. You need to tell us which one of us is right. Is it a classic or no? Is it your top 20 or no? I mean, I like the movie. I rewatched it for this podcast. I probably won't watch it again for several years.
Speaker 2:And I'm not going to think about it. I got it on DVD, okay, and I thought about trying to find somewhere to play it in order to do this podcast, but I was like nah, let me go on and pay the little $3.99 on. Amazon to watch it, because where do you play DVDs at these days? Exactly who has a DVD?
Speaker 1:player, isn't it?
Speaker 2:crazy how much the world changed. Like my mom, at my mom's house we still have a cabinet of VHS tapes, yep, and it's like you can't even do nothing with those. No more, nope, can't. Anywho, devil Wears Prada is such a, you know.
Speaker 1:I told Ruth Abigail I was like this movie is just chock full of everything we like to talk about.
Speaker 2:It's very true, you know. It's leadership, it's relationships, it's inner growth. It's leadership, it's relationships, it's inner growth, it's transformation, it's all of the things.
Speaker 1:Yep, very true.
Speaker 1:So we're going to talk about it and we're going to kind of go through it. And so it is. I think it is a very kind kind of all encompassing depiction of what happens when your environment consumes you and how do you manage transformation, um, over time with yourself. Like there's, there's, there's you know that that, that that theme is just screaming in it and it's, it's, it's housed in the workplace and, you know, in this industry, this, this industry of fashion, that's just this like high stakes, cutthroat industry, and it's, like you know, it's couched, uh, on the basis of relationships and what relationships? Between different characters at different times, and so we're going to kind of highlight the, the themes around particular relationships and some of the things we we can learn through their relational journey in the um, in in the movie. So, uh, quita, uh.
Speaker 1:So, for those of you who have not seen devils product or have not seen it in a while, um, like myself, I uh. So it's about a young woman who, uh, who wants to be a journalist and she gets a job as an assistant at a fashion industry. She wants to, just she. It's a magazine, I'm at the fashion tree and a fashion magazine. It's a magazine. It's she, so she wants to work for a publication. Her thing is, I just want to get in the door, I just want to get my foot in the door. So she goes into this, uh, fashion magazine, not really understanding the industry, not knowing who she's about to work for, who apparently is a really, really big deal, and she kind of goes in there with, um, you know, and I identified with this quite a bit she went in there the way I might have gone in there, I feel, as though I would have been dressed very similarly and not probably not as that, but like I would have been on that spectrum of wardrobe.
Speaker 2:Um, if I know you wouldn't have no, you wouldn't have, because it wouldn't have been that bad. I would have sensed it in the spirit it wouldn't have been that bad.
Speaker 1:Okay, it wouldn't have been that bad, but but it would not have been up to par. I wouldn't have been on they, I wouldn't have been fashion ready, right like industry, and she wasn't. That's not her style, the one her thing, and she kind of walks into this world that she's unprepared for, about to work for this high-powered woman who is impossible and, um, and this is how, this is how we begin, and so kind of watch, watch her journey. Um, her name is andrea, uh, and watch her journey as an assistant and kind of, and and watch her through that, learn more about herself, uh, learn more about the industry, and kind of figure out what she really really wants in life and all this I think that that, first of all, it is the journey of the 20s wrapped up in a movie.
Speaker 2:Interesting, it is the I'm going to discover myself. I have goals, I have ambitions, I have a plan. Right, she went in there with a plan. Hey, listen, I'm going to go up in here, I'm going to do this for a little year, then I'm going to get to where I really want to be.
Speaker 1:That's right. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's right, I'm going to shift right on up out of here. Yep, okay, and I don't need to come in comfortable because I don't plan on staying. I don't plan on staying Okay, because in the 20s we always had a plan. Yeah, you know, in the 20s, I mean, how many times do we sit down and be like this is when I'm going to meet my husband, this is when I'm going to have my kids. I'm going to buy my first house. I'm going to da da, da, da, da. That was her thinking. That was her line of thinking was this is part of my plan. And when you treat things, when you have a plan and you encounter something, you don't go in there respecting the opportunity, because you're looking for the opportunity to serve you and not for you to serve it.
Speaker 1:That's correct, absolutely, absolutely. She had no intentions of adding value, right? Yeah, like she had no intentions of adding value, she had no intentions of really even caring about understanding. So there's a scene where she's going in and miranda, who is the um, her boss, and the fashion mogul, uh, she, she's, she's preparing for a show, she's, and she's, she's, uh, going over the different clothes that, the, that the that her designers had given her and she was making comments on it and they were trying to figure out what they were gonna and, yes, holding the two belts, and she was saying how they're two basically, and I could identify with this.
Speaker 1:They looked they weren't the same. I knew they weren't the same. They had different buckles. However, like the, the colors looked the same. It didn't look all that different. But and but, andrea, what? They were kind of going back and forth and over that decision of which belt and she kind of chuckled and miranda looked and was like what's funny? And she was like I mean, they're basically the same belt and miranda went into, uh, a spiel on famous monologue which apparently Jaquita is like everybody says this monologue.
Speaker 1:I've never heard anybody say this monologue. This is not a regular monologue, people just say everybody knows the monologue, though.
Speaker 2:Like and that has like. First of all, you know what I think this movie has shaped, and then I think we can start getting down into our breakdown. Right, I think this movie really shaped, and then I think we can start getting down into our breakdown, right, I think this movie really shaped the way we, as millennials, regard the workspace, because all that, we're a family crap. We're like. No, I saw the Devil Wears Prada. Okay, I know, I know how toxic this can get, so you're not going to fool me with the. We're a family, okay.
Speaker 2:No I don't want to work family.
Speaker 1:That's hilarious Y'all. Not really for me anyway. Did you have that in mind, like, did you have the Devil Wears Prada in mind early in your work, in your work experiences?
Speaker 2:I really do think I did. I think we all saw Miranda and we were like, yeah, you know, as a leader, as a, as a, as a whatever, like I can't be her, even if you are. You were ambitious. You wanted to be kind of that boss bae, like you know, sorry, boss bae, man, we I mean okay. All right.
Speaker 1:I won't go say that. Okay, sorry, guys.
Speaker 2:I want that stricken from my vocabulary immediately, okay. But you know, I think that we all I do think that it was in the back of my mind, especially like when you're starting out we all felt just like Andy. Like you know, like you get there and you have all these hopes about how you about to be, like man, this is just a little desk job. I'm a da, da, da, da da. And then you get to the overwhelming part where you realize you don't know what you're doing and I think that every time I transition into a new place, I feel just like Andy, like oh crap, I don't. Like when I was signing up for the position, I didn't really understand the role Sure, right, like I didn't. I didn't understand the work, I didn't understand the organization. There's no job that I went into and I was just like man. Just, I can do this in my sleep. No, I'm saying yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think, I think that I do, I do think about that and I think it made me think about some deeper elements that I want to get into.
Speaker 1:Well, all right, so let's get into it. So, one of the most crucial relationships that we see and let's just start, let's just start with the, with the obvious, between Andy and Miranda. So this is the people we're talking about right now. Right, so they they have. This is what's interesting to me about about that relationship. One of the things and quinn and I were talking about this in, like in our prep time for the podcast, like just uh, one of the things that andy had to come to grips with was the fact that, um, she, she didn't understand what her ambition would bring out in her right, and I think something we have to unlearn is that ambition is not bad ambition isn't a bad thing, but like anything, um anything, uh, the even even a good quality has a shadow side, and so the ambitious quality about her brought out some things that she didn't expect.
Speaker 1:One of those was a level of vanity right Like she didn't realize how she would actually enjoy tapping into this world where people saw her a certain way, where her image was all of a sudden important and people responded to how she physically looked, to how she showed up in a room, all of that. She wasn't really checking for that before, that was not a part of her MO, but when she tasted it she liked it, and she didn't realize that she would like it.
Speaker 1:And I think like when, whenever we're pursuing things, we have to be be aware that your, your, your, your. The actual like pursuit itself is fine there's nothing wrong with that but just be aware that you're going to run into some things that you're going to taste that you might like. That's not actually good.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, I think what you really need to be aware of is that it was always inside of her, and I think you know, and going into different environments and opportunities, you have to be prepared, and I think this is something that you become well aware of as a middle adult. You have to be prepared for a level of exposure, because any new place that you go into, it's going to take another layer off of the mask that you learned how to put on. Right, she had learned how to put on this nonchalant. I don't care about clothes, I don't care about how I show up, because I'm a journalist, right, you know I'm down for the real, you know I'm trying to get to the story and I have depth, you know.
Speaker 2:And she that was a but that was a mess. Yeah, because, at the end of the day, when it comes to you may not care. Ultimately, I don't think that she cared as deeply about what she was wearing, no, right, but she did, like you said, care about what people thought of her, how they perceived her, the respect she got when she could throw around miranda's name and just easily have things at her fingertips, easily have opportunities and access. Right, that uncovered that layer of oh, you're not as deep as you thought you was. Boo Right right right.
Speaker 2:Like, you're not as committed to this idea of just being this, of identifying as just a journalist, right? No, right, you're not. You're not super committed to that, and I think that it was necessary for her to realize that, or else she would have a lot of times we set ourselves on courses that are one dimensional. You know, I just want to be a journalist. Well, in your pursuit to be a journalist, you were about to lose your friends, your partner, your life, and I think it was necessary for her to see Miranda's life Miranda constantly rising up the chain and getting all the respect and having all the adoration not adoration, but respect, you know and having all the access and all the things. But it was in the real moments when it was just her and Miranda, and I think this is why it's so important for young leaders to get connected to older leaders. Yeah, and you need to be able to see them behind the scenes. Yep, you need to be able to see them. The most powerful moments for Andy and Miranda was when Miranda was there no makeup in a robe, yep, you know, sitting somewhere, and it was just the two of them Yep, those were the most powerful moments because it was important for her to see what lies behind power, the pain behind power, and a lot of times, when people don't get exposed to that, they keep aspiring for something that could end them, that could take you out, because you don't understand the weight and the sacrifice.
Speaker 2:You know, she, you, you, she was there. She was the first person that Miranda told about her divorce. Yep, you get what I'm saying. Yep, and it's like you, you are privy to the pain that it takes to carry the weight of that crown and the fact that you know, and and you're so, uh, I'm just gonna call you a green. Yeah, andy was, you're green, yeah. And so when Miranda is telling you all of this, you're like oh man, do you want to take some time off? Should I cancel this thing? She like what? No, no, that's younger Now, that's young adult stuff. Yeah, like I'm having a bad day, I'm not going to work. No, no, that ain't what we do. Yeah, she's like whatever for cancel what ain't? No, because when you are the person at the top, you don't get days off. No, you don't, you don't get to tell everybody already made a decision miranda yes while she was distraught and it was a terrible moment.
Speaker 1:Uh, she made a decision. She knew and she had made a decision already that she's, this is who she's going to be. And you know she was like I, this is, this was her second marriage that's failed. And you know, and the biggest issue she was like it's not fair to the girls that what it's more so, what people were going to say, and for Miranda it was I understand that my relationship, my relationships, come second to the job. She had already made that decision.
Speaker 1:And so this idea of you need a, you need a moment, no, because I think, deep down, miranda probably I knew that was going to happen. She knew that was probably going to happen anyway. I mean it was it was definitely headed that way.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. So it's like this is this is just part of it, and what she was more concerned with was the aftermath of it publicly. That was her biggest concern. And so for Andy to see that I think you make a great point Seeing the behind the scenes of the people that you admire, of the weight that it takes to hold. But the thing is, at some point in your life you make decisions that and I and the the idea of a decision is you cut off all other options. When you decide something, no other option is available to you.
Speaker 1:You say this is it and she, and so what I want to? What I want to ask? I want to ask you who to like. Do you, what do you?
Speaker 1:What do you think about this idea of particularly women and I know we, we have this conversation, I know this, this is a conversation that in the public square that's had a lot but, like, um, this idea of women having it all, whatever that might mean to you, right, how do you? What do you feel about that? Like, what do you? What are your about? Because I think that this gives a real picture of what it, uh, what, what the outcome can be, can be, when you try to have it all right the, the, the, the kids that get everything that they you know, the kids that you love and do what. Do anything for the kids that get everything that they you know, the kids that you love and do what? Do anything for the husband that supports your, your career, the best career you can have. The out, the, the. You know you're at the top of your game, you have all the respect out in the industry and you're on top of the world in all these different areas, and or at least seemingly so. But something, something has to give.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, and I think that this is an interesting picture of you know, can you really have it all? Is that a real? Is that a real thing?
Speaker 2:What you know, I think one let, let, let, let, let's, let's. You gotta reframe it, because can you have it all? No, can you have all that matters? Maybe, but maybe not in the way that you think that it should go. You know, yeah, I think, uh, I'm thinking about myself in this moment because, as a single person I think you know this idea I had this mindset that, jaquita, you're single, you have the time and the opportunity to go after things. And so I was pushing. I was like, all right, I'm going hard in this PhD program, going hard at work, going hard at church, going hard in my relationships. I'm going hard in everything. And when I got to the end of this last semester, I said, yeah, we'll be taking a break from that, don't ask me to do this.
Speaker 2:I need a break because in my mind I was like, because I'm single, I can have it all, except Except for you know what you can't have when you're single? Uh-huh, meaning a partner, just to be clear.
Speaker 1:Right, sure. Thank you for the clarity. Just to be clear, it's important.
Speaker 2:But I had to back off of that because you trying to have it all. There are people who are striving to have it all. There are people who are striving to have it all and they are unwell. Yeah, you're unwell, that's right. You have not. You cannot effectively have it all and be all. You cannot do both. No, because everything that you have, you have to become something for that thing, yeah, very true.
Speaker 2:And so and that's the balance the balance is not can I have a husband, kids, a high flying career and all of the things that I want in life. The question is, can I become everything that it will take to maintain those things? That's real, and that's when you have to start making choices. Yes, and I think that, again going back to Andy and Miranda, is that, looking at Miranda, I think, I think there were a couple of people in Andy's path that were giving her depictions of what her life would look like if she went down a certain road Right, and I think even her relationship with Nigel went down a certain road Right and I think even her relationship with Nigel Stanley Tucci's character whom love everything he's in.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to watch.
Speaker 2:I love him Right, okay, because he's amazing. He just has his demeanor is one that you're just like oh, what a, what a wonderful man. Yes, you know what a wonderful person I'm sure he is. Um, you know, I hope um, you never know. It's hollywood. Well, you never know, um, but everyone in her life was a depiction of what did they? They gave up. They gave up something. That's right. No, nobody had it all. Yeah, you know, I'm saying what she didn't have was somebody who had the great home life, you know. And Stanley Tucher I actually uh, uh, his name is Nigel in the movie, but I actually made a note of something that he said in the movie when they're out and they're like he's working on this event out, and you know she, she's starting, she's starting to have problems in her relationships, and so she talks to him about it and he says, when your life blows up, then you know you're ready for a promotion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I said man, true, because every you know there's always going to be a battle when it's time to go to your next level, because you're going to have to leave. You got to leave a version of yourself in order to adopt who you're going to have to become for that next version. But I think when we start, you know the Bible tells us that we have to walk circumspectly. And that means you know circum meaning around, spectly meaning look. You know, look around, right, like you need to walk while looking around and seeing what's happening. And the more you know, the more you should be able to apply wisdom and understanding to your next move.
Speaker 2:As middle adults, it just doesn't make any sense for us to go in, make moves and not think that those moves are going to influence us as people, that they're not going to influence our relationships, that they're not going to influence our ability to do other things Like you are going to be greatly, you are greatly impacted by the choices you make. So you should choose wisely. You know, again, andy was in her twenties, just rolling, rolling out. I'm going to try this job real quick. You know, in your thirties walk circumspectly.
Speaker 1:Don't just roll up in there. Well, yeah, and I think that that I love that you, that you, that you have that quote from Nigel, because you know when your life blows up now you know you're ready for a promotion, to become something at any at the next level of anything. Uh, you have to learn how to manage chaos in your you know that that is just going to be part of the journey and so, yeah, I think, I think that, yeah, like you, you are ready. You're ready when you, when you've managed it, not when you've experienced it, but when you learn how to manage it. Yeah, like, we all experience chaos, but if we don't manage it, well, you ain't ready but if you can learn how to manage it well, not when you've experienced it, but when you learn how to manage it.
Speaker 1:Like we all experience chaos, but if we don't manage it well, you ain't ready. But if you can learn how to manage it well, you can, you can be ready. I think the other thing that I'm thinking about is don't kind of going back to this decision thing and this idea of having it all and I like what you said. Can you have everything that matters? Maybe, maybe, that's maybe possible. When I decided that I wanted to get married which wasn't until my early 30s where I really made it I do want to get married. I mean, it was kind of always on the table but it wasn't a deep desire. And so when I decided I wanted to get married, I at the same time decided if I'm, if I want to get married, then I'm deciding to put a ceiling on my ambition in work, in career. So, like I, I recognize that marriage means my, my, the ambition around career is going to um take a hit. And that's a decision I made and I had to make and know before and I think some of us don't make that decision before you link up with your partner, that decision before you link up with your partner and when you don't make that decision and before you do it, you can get into it and expect that you can still go hard in two things. You can't, you can't go hard in two things at the same time. So if you're on a path to your career and at a level whatever a career might be and you're like I want to move, move, move, move, go, go, go, go go, and you meet somebody along that path and you never made a decision to change your pace that you were with when you were single, then, like Miranda right, you've really made a decision to keep the partner as long as it, as long as he or she can keep up with you, and so then it's like, well, so so you know what I'm saying. So it's like I think that's just the having it all piece. It's like well, so so you know I'm saying so it's like I think that's just the having it all piece. It's like, yeah, no, you gotta really you gotta know you can have it, but it's not gonna be at the same level as it was when you're, when it's just you.
Speaker 1:Once you add other people and other things, you other people. Let me be clear once you add other people and other things, you other people. Let me be clear Once you add other people and attach yourself to other people, then you can't run as hard, you can't run as fast, you may not be able to run as far, um, and so it's. I think it's just a reality. It's like I I'm putting, I have to transfer my energy and otherwise I've made, I've made, I got, you got to make the decision. Before you make the move, the decision has to be made, um, and, and the reality check has to be there, and so I just I remember that and I was like I know I'm making a decision and I'm great with that, like, yeah, that's what I want to do if I had to, I don't have to make that conscious choice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think, but I do think To that point. I think that you have to be mindful of, you have to know what all you're bringing with you, because you have to be able to show somebody talking to my single people. You have to be able to show somebody this is what I plan to maintain in the next season of my life. You have to be able to say, hey, this is what I've discovered about my purpose and my identity. And these are things that I'm hoping to maintain, because what I've seen happen a lot of times, especially women in their mid, late 30s, early 40s, are like I gave it all up. I gave it all up. I didn't maintain myself, because I started taking on these other roles and I focused on maintaining everything else except for me. And so, at this age again, walk circumspectly, you know, like at this age, as I'm moving into new opportunities and new seasons and new things, I'm more aware of what I'm carrying than I was in my 20s Because I hadn't yet picked anything up. Yep, because I hadn't yet picked anything up. I was just you know.
Speaker 2:I think that there is a, that there is a theme in this movie of everybody has to start somewhere. Like you got. You got to start somewhere, you know. And so, like we are watching her starting place, you know, like she's fresh out of school, she has this really young relationship, just young, wild and free, you know, in the beginning. And we're watching her learn how to carry something, how to carry the weight of a responsibility, and she doesn't yet know how to balance that with other parts of herself and so she lets it take over and so everything. Every time you know that phone rings, she's like oh, I'm sorry, I don't have a choice. You know when she was with her dad oh sorry, dad, I don't have a choice.
Speaker 1:She was with a man.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sorry, I don't have a choice Like no, you have. You're allowing yourself and I think this is the point I made to Ruth Abigail is that you are allowing your life to be, uh, to be shaped by your ambition and not your purpose. Yes, Right, because if you, if your life is shaped by purpose, you find ways, because you find ways that other areas of purpose in your life connect to this thing, to this thing, right, and you find, and you allow yourself for to, to, to allow it to mold you, but not in a way that disrupts what's happening in other areas of your life. Right, but when you are being shaped by ambition, you become single focus.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah, and you can't you, you, you can't do that and it not impact other people around you. Um, and I think you know we see that with her, her friends, her boyfriend and just the the, whether there's one, um, there's a line where her boyfriend tells her like it's, it's not I'm not gonna get the last isn't a quote, but just he basically says like it's not about, it's not what it's not about. Did you change? It's just. I just want you to own that. You've changed. Like, stop trying to pretend like you're the same person you were before.
Speaker 1:And and so I think one of the things that is important is to is to own your transformation. You're going to, you're going to change, you're going to transform it as you move forward in. Whatever the thing is you're in, you will change, for better or for worse. We all go through it, right, you will be introduced to a different version of yourself, depending on the opportunities, the moments, the season, the circumstance. Whatever you got to be introduced to this person, you got to own it, for better, for worse. Yeah, because it's not until you own it that you can actually move towards the next shift. Yeah, if you don't own it, then you'll be essentially circling around a reality that you refuse to face, yeah and and so that's and I think that's what he was trying to tell her like no, we all see the change. You have to own the change and you know that might mean that you lose me, that you like lose your friends, but this is who you are now Like. You have to own it.
Speaker 1:Right, and so that was his, and that was his biggest frustration. And in that moment, moment she made a decision, she made a choice she said well, maybe we need a little space.
Speaker 1:I'm following my ambition and I don't think that's a bad thing. I just think it's something that you have to, that you have to own. Yeah, you just it's okay, like, if that's your choice, that's your choice. Um, she chose that and it served her in one area of her life. It propelled her forward in her career. It killed her relationship, but it propelled her forward in her career.
Speaker 2:I think when she made that decision of we need more space, decision of we need more space, it I think she was also knowing, like there are things I'm encountering, people and opportunities that can fill the space that you once were in. You get what I'm saying, like she. She didn't because she left too easy. She wasn't. Let's sit, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1:Let's think about it. She wasn't super distraught about it. No, she was.
Speaker 2:She was like hey, why don't we take a little break? I'm okay, Like she, like you know what I'm saying, I'm not even going to speak that over you, but if someone were in like a serious, committed relationship, right, and they were like, hey, you changed and it's impacting the relationship, you know what I'm saying. If you really want that relationship, right, you know. But because she hadn't yet dealt with who she was becoming, right, it wasn't until she came to the moment where she was like, oh, I don't actually want to be the person that I was on the road to becoming, exactly that she could even go back to him, that's right, because he did not fit where she was going. No, them little grilled cheeses was only gonna get him so far, although that grilled cheese, I will say I do think about that movie every time I make a grilled cheese really this movie is just not, you don't, you don't, you don't believe in the movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I just wow.
Speaker 1:I just didn't realize how impactful this movie was to people. I just to the rest of the world yes, I'm still not convinced of that. But uh, but no, I, I, he was not on, he was not on the same path and they, they, they were not going in the same direction. And I think you make a great point. Like it wasn't until she saw herself and her potential future in miranda that she said that ain't what I want, that ain't what I want, but she had to get there, yeah it was.
Speaker 2:It was when because the entire time mir, miranda was surprisingly mentoring her. Yeah, like she didn't realize it, but Miranda was making decisions. Miranda saw something in her and said I can mold that, I can get her to where I am, and she has the raw material that I can use to build another mini me, mini me, exactly. And so Miranda was like why don't you tell Emily she can't go to Paris, right? Was it because Miranda didn't want to do it or couldn't do it? No, was it because Miranda didn't want to do it or couldn't do it? No, it was because I see something in you and I can use this moment, right, to mold something in you to get you to your next level. Yes, right. And where did she end up going? She went to Paris. Her next level, yep, right.
Speaker 2:I also think, just as a little bonus point, the relationship between emily and andy, the yeah, the old assistant and the new one, like you know, the number one and the number two. I think it is. So it is. It is I. I read in that a message to middle adults, because if andy, I, I feel like Emily was still focused on herself I gotta get to Paris, I gotta da, da, da, da da. She was helping Andy along. But until middle adults realize that your role is no longer to be in the places and spaces and doing the things. Emily was over there facing real life, she like I forgot. Yeah, girl, we forget stuff in our middle of the year.
Speaker 1:Let that young adult, do that work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, you have to learn how to pass the baton in a way that allows you. Emily was middle management. She was middle management.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You have to learn how to empower those new emerging professionals in a way that still secures your spot but it's still impacting and influencing who's coming behind you. Are you going to lose your spot trying to be?
Speaker 1:them. Well, you'll lose. You'll also lose your spot trying to impress people and that's what Emily was. She was still trying to be them Well, you'll lose. You'll also lose your spot trying to impress people. And and that's what Emily was she was still trying to be impressive to Miranda and trying to like please, miranda, be impressed. And, like you know, she has to see me do this. And what? What she didn't realize and what the, the, the blessing of the ignorance of andy was I'm buddy, what is the big deal like? We just we're doing this, it's not even like we just have to. She realized how hard the job was, but the idea of impressing somebody, you know, like miranda wasn't looking for people to impress her, that she was looking for people to perform. And, um, and what Emily was so concerned about was this I, she, I want to impress her, I want her, I want her to see that I'm worthy. And Andy came in knowing she was worthy. Talk about it, ruth.
Speaker 2:Talk, talk, talk talk about it.
Speaker 1:This is. This is the difference. This is the difference.
Speaker 2:I'm seeing so, but I'm seeing that I am seeing that we, the middle adults, we are struggling with that because you know, we all had our own Andy stories and they didn't move us along as as as Miranda was trying to move Andy along. You know, and I think I am watching as a lot of us have gotten hurt in the workplace. You know, like we, we think about all the things that didn't happen the way that they should have you know from supervisors, from mentors in those places, should have you know from supervisors, from mentors in those places. And we are going, I'm watching as people who are being elevated into positions still have this war within themselves of I got to show people that I deserve to be here Absolutely. I got to show people that I'm worthy of this opportunity.
Speaker 2:I got to prove to people because and we have this, and I think maybe this is just like a, you know, elder, millennial thing where we're like they never believed in us, they never believed in millennials. You know, they thought we were the throwaway generation. They really did. They was like these kids is terrible. They did Ever since, you know, I mean, and now and now they're kind of doing it the gen z, but I see them starting to like respect them a little bit and I'm like you never respected us.
Speaker 2:You know, we still got no respect, you know, but I, I, we, there is a a lot of. There's some pain there and I think that we have to. We got to deal with what we're carrying and because she didn't deal with what she carried, she missed her moment. Yep, she missed her moment because if she had handled, if she had handled Andy differently, you know, if she had seen her as an opportunity of I can be valuable in this place. Because I can be the developer, I can be the person that develops the new talent, yes, I can be the person that maintains the longevity of our team, yeah, I can be that person. And until you have to shift out of the I need, I want era to the I serve era, yes, and until you get to the place of service, you're going to lose your spot because these young whippersnappers- they can do it better than you.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say they are doers and they can do it better. And I think the thing and I think this is something that I hear, I've heard from a lot of people either, either either directly or indirectly it's this, this glorification of doing. I do so much. You don't see how much I do. I, you know I ought to be paid for more because I do X, Y, Z, and the reality is, doing is not impressive. Here's the reality is most people can do what you can do. Yeah, that's just the truth.
Speaker 2:Or I can teach them quite quickly.
Speaker 1:Or you can learn how to do it right, or somebody can teach somebody else how to do it. For sure, doing is actually the lowest level of value add in an organization. You doing more doesn't prove that you're worth more.
Speaker 2:Man, wait a minute. Wait a minute, say that because, oh my, I thought of three people right now I want to send that to Say that because it's people you trying to get promotions, you trying to get, you trying to get to your next level. You're like I need to, I need to be in this new spot, right? And so what do you do? You, hey, give me more responsibility, I'm gonna do more. I'm gonna do more.
Speaker 2:Okay, add to my list, yes, and you're. You know what your employer is thinking. They thinking like great, yeah, cool, all right, here you go. Awesome, put this in the other duties, as you know. I'm saying like thank you, okay, because you doing more does not make you, uh, does not put you in a better position to be at a higher level. No, it does not make me trust you more. No, that makes me use you more.
Speaker 2:That's it it does not make me. It does not make me say you know, I want to invest in the doer because the here's the secret, friend, the higher you get up the chain, the less you're actually doing. Okay, you're, you're, you're now paid because of your insight. You're paid for your ability to impact and influence people and systems. You are not paid because you can do the labor. That's right. When you think about, like on a construction site, right, the foreman, he pointing hey, you, yeah, yeah, get that up there, you know. Think about the person making the blueprints, they getting paid more than anybody else on the team.
Speaker 1:And all they did was draw it out. Because of what? So I think the question is how do I know I'm adding more value? You don't. You don't add more value because you do more. You add more value because you know more. You have to become a learner and a communicator of knowledge, that's the secret sauce for the next role.
Speaker 1:You have to learn how to learn and communicate. If those are things that take a lot longer to develop, um, and you, you, you those are the things that make you ready to manage and have more of a level of responsibility is when you can, when you know more. So the thing you go back to Emily right, Emily knew a lot. What she didn't do was communicate it well, she didn't communicate her knowledge.
Speaker 1:She did what she saw Andy couldn't do, instead of telling her how to do it. Talk about it, right, that's the difference, and and so for. For those who are like because there might be some of y'all and I've been there, right, like I didn't. This was not, this wasn't a revelation until you know, a few years ago, where it's like. For those of you that are like man, I'm, I'm killing myself doing stuff Like I'm and I'm I'm the best at what I do, and you probably are.
Speaker 1:But what you're the the the ceiling is not as a result of you not being good at what you do. The ceiling is you have a lack of you, there's a lack of knowledge, there's there's stuff you don't know and you aren't. There are gaps in your communication. Those two things are what you need to work on. So if you are wondering, how do I move to the next level, get more knowledge and learn how to communicate, do that. You can move to the next level. Now, obviously, you still have to perform and do the things that you need to do. Um, but like quita said, that the doing list gets smaller but the knowledge list gets bigger. So now your brain is doing the work, not your hands as much. And when you that that is a harder, that's a harder muscle to discipline is your brain. Yeah, um, and so that's a harder muscle to discipline is your brain, um, and so that's what.
Speaker 1:and so when people see that you have, you can discipline your mind to understand, to move um to, to attain knowledge and to communicate it out in a way that's going to impact other people around you, and multiply the impact because of what you know and how you communicate. Then you can go to the next level. That's when your influence grows.
Speaker 1:And so I think that was Emily's mistake. Like you're doing too much, man, everything she does, you can't do it. Oh, just let me give it to me, give it to me, give it to me. And let me just say this real quick what Andy did was she learned, she learned and she understood okay. So what is it gonna take me to get this book? Okay, so now I got, I got the book.
Speaker 1:So that must mean I'm doing something right yeah you, you know, I'm saying like there were, there were notches and her learning that shifted, you know, and I think we, we realized when she, when she brought her to the um, to the function where she had to meet all these people, and andy did her homework, she was like that's who that is and she about doing I'm learning and learning, and I think take andy took a weight off like she started.
Speaker 2:She started and that's. Let me tell you something. And in the last position that I had, in the position I'm in now, I don't lead nobody, I kind of miss it, right. But in the last position that I had, the reason why I prized my team was because they they carry the weight of their position so well that I was then able to go in and create a vision for how we could go further and higher and do things better and be more efficient, and I was able to counsel and mentor. Because that's what we're looking for. Yes, we're looking for people who are going to take their role and take the weight of it and move it and then allow us to impact what they're moving. There it is. That's right.
Speaker 2:Versus, this is not listen, not listen. Now were there times where I had to say, okay, listen, we're gonna carry this together. Yes, there were times where because I, you know, I'm that type of leader where I'm all right, listen, listen, I'm with you. We in the trenches, let's roll right. But the the best times was watching them say you know what? I'm going to try this because I think I'm understanding how this works now. So I know how to move and navigate this thing to make it better, because I didn't teach them how to be good at their jobs. I taught them how to be. I taught them how to be good thinkers and good problem solvers Right, and so now you can go. You know what I'm saying. If you are in campus programming, you're not trying to stay in that forever, I told. I told my programmers, I said there's a time limit to this. Nobody programs for life. No, it's too tiring, it's too hard on the body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for real, nobody's a youth leader for life. It's like the life cycle of a youth person who works directly with young people is 18 months. It's not even a full two years. 18 months is crazy, it is, and so it's not even a full two years. Two years is a gift. Three is a freaking miracle, right, because it is hard. But I like what you said. You've got to teach people how to think, and I think that. But I just and to dispel, one of the things I try to tell my team, you know, is I'm it is more valuable to me, for you, you. I need you to become decision makers. I need you to know enough to make a decision I don't have to make. That's that is valuable to me, right? It's not, it's not doing more stuff, it's doing things, the doing is like like hey, you doing more stuff is more work for me this really is
Speaker 1:just part of your job. I expect you to do this stuff. I don't. I don't like that's part of the job description. You should be doing it. That's not impressive. What's it? What's impressive is to the result. If the result is beyond what I'm expecting, I'm asking you what did you do to get that result? I'm asking you, what did you do to get that result? And the knowledge that you have to now move at a pace that is actually outpacing my direction.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You don't need it. Yeah, Go right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That shows me that you've learned something more than I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. That's great. I love that. I love that. Thank you, yeah, I love that. I think that's really good for you, but for the organization, right, and I think that's what people I do think that's what people need to unlearn Younger leaders that do the things you're supposed to do, but put your energy into learning and put your energy into knowledge and listen to the things that your other peers aren't listening to and ask questions that they're not asking. Yeah, uh, that that's that's gonna put you in a different position, for sure you know. Um, okay, so who we haven't, who we, who haven't we covered?
Speaker 2:uh, so I think we've done boyfriend anything else on nigel, I like nigel. No, I think I do too. Yeah, I think the end when he didn't get the job. I think that was when the alarm bell started ringing off, because she realized when he didn't get the job, and then he was like, yeah, you know, she'll get me on the next one. And she was like, really, you think so. And then she saw him sitting complacent yes, you know what I'm saying Like, but still waiting After everything, he'd given up. You know, he was like I'm finally going to be able to just enjoy Paris. Like, bro, you've been in this, in this world. How long you come to Paris every year? Yeah, and they work. You, you know what I'm saying and I think, I think there's just so many examples. Um, but nigel was also a transformative figure in her life and you need people. I will say one thing I was mad about in the movie. Okay, in the end, when she, you know, is is, uh, interviewing with what?
Speaker 2:the chicago tribune or something like that anyway she's back in her in her, in her old clothes, right, and I'm like absolutely not, oh lord, absolutely not, all right you're supposed to. You're supposed to eat the meat and spit out the bone. Okay, you was looking good. You don't go back and be like, but this is who I really am.
Speaker 1:No, man also. Weren't those clothes not hers? Though, now that I'm thinking about it, didn't she get them from?
Speaker 2:she gave them to emily oh, she gave all the stuff, that's right that's right, that's right yeah that's right.
Speaker 1:Oh no, yeah, that was a choice and it was like girl.
Speaker 2:no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Eat the meat, spit out the bone. You were supposed to keep a little bit of fashion.
Speaker 1:Meet me halfway, you know what I'm saying Meet me halfway, yeah, well, no, all right. Well, you know. With that. I'm sorry, did I interrupt you?
Speaker 2:No, you're good.
Speaker 1:So, with that, I do think that this other relationship that we've kind of we haven't said directly is this relationship with old annie and old andy and new andy, right, and there is a, you know, like a relationship that you have to develop with your new self, and I think that the, the, the the interesting part about old andy and Andy is the thread of the values that you carry across your transformation remain in every shift of your or every part of your person that's revealed in different seasons of your life. You're continuing to discover you. You're continuing to uncover who you are. How do you ensure that those values remain? And I think it's an important question to ask so that you don't lose yourself right Through your transformation.
Speaker 1:You don't transform into 10 different people, you just transform more into who you really are, and the through line of that has to be your value system. So I think the first thing you got to do is you got to know what they are. You got to know your values to begin with, right, yeah, um, I think it's also important that you keep people close to you who reflect those values. Make sure that your community reflects the values that you really have. I think you also need to ask for feedback from that community yeah, you know I'm saying giving out gifts and, and they were, I think.
Speaker 2:I think also you know when they started talking, but they, they didn't start talking until she was too deep in you know you need people who walk, currently Exactly. You know, it wasn't until she was, you know, squirreled up with another man at the art show that her best friend was like I don't recognize you, who are you?
Speaker 1:yeah, like girl wait a minute, you saw, that when I gave you that bag because you didn't see, and and also and also, you accepted that bag with open arms you were more than happy for me to be in the position I was at this, you know, and so it's like I ain't gonna lie that I took that bag of course you take the bag. You take the bag, you take the bag off. You do both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'd be, I'd have took that bag. Of course you take the bag, you take the bag.
Speaker 1:You also tell off. You do both. You be like, hey, give me that bag, Now listen you're changing.
Speaker 2:Something's not right, but it's a nice bag. They got some more of these. Keep getting these bags.
Speaker 1:Bring me a few more.
Speaker 1:That was a nice bag, but you do. You need feedback from your community, because you won't know off. I mean, you have blind spots, so you need people that are gonna expose your blind spots, right, yeah. And then when they give you that feedback, like accept it, don't reject it. And then I think the last thing that is important is and this is just, this is something I've, I don't know I feel like I this, it's like keep some of the same activities that you used to do in your life, like I actually just heard.
Speaker 1:I heard this in a podcast, I forgot who it was, but, um, somebody who's who's you know, kind of risen in the ranks very high. If I said the name, you'd know it if I remembered it, but, like it's, it was like you know, how do you stay humble? And one of the things he said was when I come home, um, from my traveling and I'm speaking to thousands of people and I'm known and I go on his private jets, I do all this stuff and when I come home, I cut my own grass, right, it's like, do something the same. Right, it's like do something's the same.
Speaker 1:don't change everything about what you do when you get to your next level because, you got to remain grounded somehow, right, yeah, or or you know, or I'm, I do the dishes I'll have, I don't. You know, I'm not, I'm not gonna hire somebody to do, I'm gonna do the dishes. Right, I'm gonna do my laundry, whatever you know.
Speaker 2:So that you remain.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna hire somebody you see what I'm saying. You see, that's why that's what that's, and that's why, jaquita, you gonna stay right there.
Speaker 2:I'm just joking you know what I? I would clean my bathrooms okay.
Speaker 1:So okay, there you go. I I would cook. I'm not gonna, I wouldn't hire a chef. No, I'll say that back, I'll cook.
Speaker 2:I would totally. That sounds great, because then I'm gonna leave the dishes. That's the only thing that keeps me from cooking. As much is because it's delicious. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1:I, I, I, I enjoy the cooking. I would definitely do that and I probably would drive myself places because even though I don't like driving it, would it?
Speaker 1:would you know? It's like let's just, let's just keep that. So like, and this is obviously if we, you know, and we're talking about, if we get to a level where we're taking private jets and doing all this stuff which, you know, I'm not even really that interested in. So but if, but just to keep you humble, you should keep the same activities that you had. That can remind you of who you really are. Like I'm not, I'm not sitting here and change. So like, I think that for Andy, that that's, that's important and I'm. I think it might be why she gave those clothes away. She was like you know what? No, I'm keeping that.
Speaker 2:This is me and I'm okay with that, but go get yourself some better ones.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I feel like she was, I feel like it was better. No, I don't know, I really wasn't paying attention, I know you wasn't At all.
Speaker 2:Nevertheless, I think again. I think something that I think this movie really brought to mind. You know, when we think about they talk about how, like you know, that job don't really care about you, like they will replace you. You know, like everyone is replaceable. You know, like I think you have to. Also, you can't make yourself replaceable, and I think that that's where Andy got to. I think Andy said I can't replace myself with a version of somebody that I don't recognize. There you go, and you have to get to a moment in a time in your life where you say they would replace me. I can't replace myself. Yeah, I'm not disposable to myself.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:So I can't give up my values, I can't give up my purpose, I can't give up my identity trying to chase after a carrot. I have to allow myself, and that's going to require you. I think there are just areas in all of our lives where we have to become sober, and I think the moment where she realized that the person that she had been looking at was the person she was becoming, because the people that you are spending the most time with at your job I'm sorry, I just had a realization they will end up. You will end up looking more like them than you, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You imagine 100%. It is foolish, it is foolish.
Speaker 2:It is foolish for us to go into places thinking that we are going to be the greater influence and not consider that there are things around us that are also influencing us as well. One hundred percent it is. It is foolish for you to go in thinking it's going to be a one way street and I'm not going to be impacted. That's correct. When I got to the institution that I work for now, I was overwhelmed by the culture, because the culture is we're the best. You know, we do things in an air of excellence, you know, and we always strive to be number one and on top. You know. And so you're in that culture and you're striving to get things to a certain level and to make it the best Not the best it can be, but the best in comparison to anything else. Adopting that philosophy, you also adopt the subconscious mindset that's fueling you. That's also saying you're not good enough yet, yeah. And so you stay in a constant state of I'm not enough, we're not enough, what we're doing is not enough. Yeah, we need to be doing more. Yeah, enough, we need to be doing more. And I think, if we all took a step back, examine the culture of the places that you're spending the most time in Examine the culture. What is the ideology that they're pushing and what mindset has that built on the inside of you? You have to know that and I think we all need to take some sobering moments with where we are so that we can reevaluate.
Speaker 2:I'm not telling you to quit your job. Ok, y'all not going to go on. Y'all not going to go nowhere. And tell nobody that the Unlearned podcast told you to walk away from nothing. No, no, no, no, no, no. But you need to evaluate what have I given up? And did I give up more than I gained? Yeah, and I think that's that was the point that Andy got to that she gave up more than what she was getting. That's right, and she got herself back on track. And terrible clothes, but she got herself back on track.
Speaker 1:That was part of the journey she just needed. She needed to find herself again, and them clothes was part of it. I understand you, andy, I get it. I get it. I know you do, I get it. Um all right folks. Well, there you have it. Devil wears prada um a classic to some, not to me a classic to all but a what in the world, but a great movie and with lots to learn from. So there you, you have it.
Speaker 2:Listen, I got another challenge. If you are in the Ruth Abigail camp and you say a Devil Wears Prada is not a classic, which probably two of y'all have, oh stop. Tell us what movie supersedes it as a classic.
Speaker 1:Wait, don't say that, because there's a ton of movies that superseded as a classic.
Speaker 2:Tell me, what would you put in its place In Devil Wears Prada me. What would you put in its place? And devil wears prada. What would you put in in that place? In that genre, in that, in that?
Speaker 1:type of movie. What would you put in this place? What kind of, what genre is this?
Speaker 2:I mean just in like the themes of the movie um there. No, I don't want you to answer? Oh, okay, I oh okay, so y'all let us know in the comments. Okay, if you are of the persuasion that is not a classic. What have you put in its place? There we go, so that I can judge it.
Speaker 1:Don't let your quitter deter y'all. Tell the truth. All right y'all. Thank y'all again for listening Once again to this episode. We are going to continue this series, so check us out next week and until then, let's keep unlearning together so that we can experience more freedom, Peace. Thank you once again for listening to the Unlearned Podcast. We would love to hear your comments and your feedback about the episode. Feel free to follow us on Facebook and Instagram and to let us know what you think. We're looking forward to the next time when we are able to unlearn together to move forward towards freedom. See you then.
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