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The UnlearnT Podcast
Unlearning The Gospel Music Industry Pt. 2
Worship leader Darnell Moore unpacks the tension between following industry strategies and Spirit-led ministry in gospel music and church leadership.
• The challenge of creating sustainable ministry while remaining faithful to God's leading
• Using the metaphor of an exercise ball versus a lazy boy recliner to illustrate the tension between stability and Spirit-led flexibility
• What happens when God asks us to abandon proven strategies and follow His unexpected leading
• The dangers of discussing spiritual matters without context in today's social media environment
• Learning from King David's example of pointing people to God rather than building personal platforms
• The warning signs of measuring ministry success by followers, finances, and influence
• How true worship means sacrificing personal gain and pointing people back to God
• When God asks us to willingly give back what He first gave us
We're dropping a new series next week—stay tuned as we continue to unlearn together so we can experience more freedom!
Welcome back everyone. Now let's dive back into conversation with Darnell about unlearning gospel music industry. So I'm going to go in this direction a little bit and just talk about this idea of industry, and I think this is a conversation not just for like music and Christian music, but also for the church, even like um. When I look at it, I'm trying to think of the best way to say it, because this, I'm gonna say this and that doesn't mean that I'm like against it, but I it's hard. For me it's there is to when we, as believers, take something and create an industry that fits into the world system for lack of a better term and it's producing sustainable resources to continue to do what it is we want it to do. There is a certain pathway to that. Like, there is a, there are formulas, there are, you know, particular things that work, and then there is the uh pressure, not just formulas to make industry work, but when you, when industry works, people's lives are attached to that. Right, you just said you make money from music. Right, that's not just because that's not by happenstance, you are thoughtful in how that happens. Right, and how that happens it's not just a hobby, it's not just like music for me right now is a hobby, like, if I get to do an opportunity, sure, I'd love to. I might get a little bit of a check, but it is not something I'm thinking about on a regular basis. You know so, for, you know for and then for, even for pastors, right, you're on staff. The church has to generate income in order to continue to pay, and how do churches do that? What are the strategies that are that where they're able to take advantage of um, uh, of different, different things that they know work for industry, right, there is a.
Speaker 1:I think that that is a piece of this conversation that is difficult for um, a piece of this conversation that is difficult for let me say it like this, that I think we do need to unlearn on some level is to say that there there are elements of what works for other other, the other people outside of the Christian world, that they that have outside of the Christian world, that they that have that has been um effective. That we take and say we're going to do this too, right, for the glory of God, right For the good of people, all that, all that stuff. Maybe the motive is, but the strategies are what they are, um, and, at the same time, it's very easy to get caught up in that, right, um, I'm just curious as to what your thoughts are on the industry of worship, because that that is. I think that also when, when we think about the, the, the podcast when I heard it, I heard him particularly speaking about mostly 90% of the conversation was about the industry, the strategy and, like we kind of acknowledged in the beginning of the conversation, we, that's valid, like he's not wrong about it, he's he's done his homework and he's gone about it in a way that is successful.
Speaker 1:I, I just I'm curious as to how, how, how you handle the, the, the possible tension between playing in an industry and doing what it is that maybe going against the grain at moments because you're like, hey, we gotta, we gotta move in this direction because this is what I feel called to do, um, but also understanding that the reality is that the, the strategies of the industry, is what keeps it, keeps it sustainable for you and for other people like that. That's, that's real. So, like hey, what are your thoughts on that? How do you think about that? That's, that's real. So, like hey, what are your thoughts on that? How?
Speaker 2:do you think about that? So there are things that are good, but at times they're not, and so I look at following God. I often use this illustration like a exercise ball versus exercise ball versus a lazy boy. And so in the lazy boy you sit. In the lazy boy, boom, you're comfortable. It's holding you up.
Speaker 2:Good unsteadiness that you have to really engage your core in order to find some sense of stability, but it'll never be a lazy boy. Now, if you sit there long enough, your core is going to be strengthened and now you can sit there and you won't shake it as much, but you'll never be sitting in a lace board. Ok, yeah, so I think. I think for me it's the same. There are strategies, there's all of these things that we can employ, but God has the right To tear all that up and say go this way. And so, depending on who is leading you, can you lay down the strategies of the world or whatever, and follow God at this moment. We see it in First Chronicles, second Chronicles. There it is when King Jehoshaphat and all of these armies were coming against Israel, and so strategy says that the army should go first, but a word of the Lord came and said there's no need for you to fight in this battle, for the battle is not yours, it's the Lord's.
Speaker 2:And so, although strategy says that the army should go first. The Lord said send Judah first. What?
Speaker 1:We're singing the singers first.
Speaker 2:That don't make no sense. Like singers can't fight, I want you to send the singers first and I want them to sing Psalms 136. Oh, give thanks unto the Lord, for he is good, and his mercy, and do it forever to the God who's done all of these great things for his mercy and do us forever. And the Bible says as they sung and as they marched toward the armies, the armies got so confused that they turned on each other and started killing each other. When they actually got to the bottom, everybody was dead and all they did was pick up the swords. You can't get that with just industry talk. Wow, yeah, yeah. You have to be led by the spirit. So we use the industry, we use all of the technological and whatever all that stuff, the lights and the cameras.
Speaker 2:That's all great. I think it's all good and all great for its place. But can God speak to you in a moment and say I know this was praying, but I don't want you to do that. I want you to do this Like every time I've seen God move in amazing ways, it was always something that happened in a moment where God shifted something. And if you're so, strategy, and you're so image, and you're so, what are people going to think? Like, if that's what's driving you, you're not going to really be able to follow God, because worship, at its core, is a sacrifice of you.
Speaker 2:That's what it is, and so if you're going to be a worship leader in the industry or in the church, there has to be a sacrifice of you somewhere. You can't always be the one that's winning and looking good Like. God will have you do some things that don't that to the world it's like why did they do that? Or why did they turn that down? That to the world it's like well, what if they do that? Why did they turn that down? Because God told me to. That's why I know I could have made a lot of money, but God said no, don't do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what, even in the episode he used that example with Travis Green. It was like he said he was like man know you get, he said this how much I'm supposed to make you know? And that like, and so I think that's you know, it's a good example. I um all right, so I took some screenshots of some of the comments. Okay, underneath the uh, underneath the episode. Okay, I'm gonna uh, I'm gonna read some of them. Let's see where am I all right, because after I watched it the second time, I was like I read the comments first time. I'm curious, um as to how people this is something that I, I personally struggle with sometimes um with social media and spiritual conversations, because um this and I this. The first time it hit me was years ago and um, with uh, one of the when, when the kojic conference was being streamed, and um I, there was the I'm not gay, no more thing Right.
Speaker 1:And it just set it set me off because I was like I, I I could not help but ask the question why would? Why would you make that public? Because there's so little understanding by people who are going to watch this? You're setting yourself up for failure because you can't respond to it. You cannot.
Speaker 1:There's no response, absolutely and if somebody who has no context of the church, no context of any of this, I mean I don't care what the conversation was, he could have said anything, I don't care what he said. I mean I don't care what the conversation was, he could have said anything, I don't care what he said. The idea of an altar call, the idea of all the prayers, the idea of the shouting and all this stuff, people don't get that.
Speaker 2:They don't get it. There's no.
Speaker 1:And so to me, you kind of damage, you run the risk of I'm not going to say it automatically happens, but you run the risk of damaging your witness by doing it. So that's the first time. It kind of like just rubbed me the wrong way, right, but but, um, and that was a while back, and since then it ain't got. It's just gotten more. We just the doors have just been open and it's just like, oh man, so um, I, I, I, I don't like that, like I struggle with that.
Speaker 1:When we have conversations with the world that are really need, you need to have a particular context to understand what that, what it is right, you need to have a certain level of maturity, a certain level of spiritual commitment, all that stuff, right? So, anyway, when I look at comments, I'm always reading it from that perspective. You got all these different people commenting on stuff, um, and so there's I'm gonna read a couple of comments. I want you to just give me your immediate reaction to some of them, okay, um, let's see here somebody said what I've learned is that you can say and sprinkle God's name in any convo and it still doesn't mean you have a relationship with God. Okay, I mean, that's true. That's true. Um, all right. So that's that's one thing somebody said. Somebody else said from a business perspective, this was genius.
Speaker 2:From a spiritual perspective, this is dangerous yeah, yeah, I would have to agree um wholeheartedly that, yeah, that was that was.
Speaker 1:That was actually my takeaway, I feel like that sums up some of what you were not sums up, but you know what I mean. I feel like that captures what it is that you were saying. I will say this when I hear that, though this is just me from a spiritual perspective, that this is dangerous, I don't necessarily disagree again. I think that even that statement because, it's got to be unpacked.
Speaker 1:It's got to be unpacked because there are people who are going to read this. I mean, this isn't just going to church people Um, this isn't like it's just going to everybody and people are going to read this and most people will read this stuff and not comment. I've read them. I ain't commented, you know, um, and I I it it. It bothers me because people will take that phrase and take that comment and then make large philosophies on the church, large philosophies on people who call themselves Jesus followers, who believe in God. And I don't always know that that's wise, like you know, but I don't, but I don't know how to, I don't know what you do with it, because it's like, again, you don't want to isolate yourself from society. There is a, there is an event. You need, we need to be in the world. I mean, that's important. You can't just be, you know, I can't. The phrase, what is it? No, so heavenly bound, you ain't no earthly good.
Speaker 1:Right you can't be that way. That's not that's. I don't think that's how Jesus called for us to be. At the same time, though, what does discernment look like? What does wisdom look like, as to how we engage with things and engage in conversations that need to be had, but maybe not in public? I don't know, and I know, that's probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's just social media, man, it is. It's that love hate with social media because it is people's in most cases, it's people's best picture, it's people's best videos, and so that causes some tension with that. And then it gives voice to everybody the learned, the unlearned, so everybody has a voice now to be able to share a time in. And it's these little, it's these little nuggets, it's these little one minute videos and people, like you said, feel their whole life off of this one little video or phrase or whatever. They're being pastored by a video, they're being mentored by a little video, they're being mentored by a 60 second video and so like. There's all of these gaps where there's all of this ignorance, um, but it happens every day, all day long. So that's why discipleship and what you're actually doing with this podcast, man, is so important. It's important to to infuse, give another option for what's going on in these spaces and not just removing ourselves from it.
Speaker 2:Jesus hung out with sinners. He was called a friend of sinners. Yeah, but he was. He hung out with them to show them something different, not to become them Correct, and I think that's the difference, yeah, and God calls some of us to those spaces and then some of us run over there and God didn't call you to do it, because if God calls you, he'll give you the grace to sustain in those spaces, but if he didn't call you over there, now you're just over there and now we, like Junior, what you doing? You over there, hitting the bus, yeah, yeah, it was like you know, when Jesus hung out with the sinners.
Speaker 1:Oh bro, wait, wait, wait no, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you know, I think you're right and, um, I think you're right, and again, that that understanding, understanding where your place is in, that is crucial, like you have to know, and I just it's just sometimes thinking through it. So, okay, here's another, here's another. Make sure, I'm sorry. Okay, is this the right comment? Let me make sure I like this comment. Hold on, um, so I'm gonna read this. Alright, this is another comment. Guys like this are the reason why the gospel industry is the way it is. It's about profit more than more than putting butts in the kingdom. I promise you, if gospel artists focused on what the father wants out of their music, he will make them well off financially, but that's not their heart. You, if gospel artists focused on what the father wants out of their music, he will make them well off financially, but that's not their heart.
Speaker 1:That's what I did yes, not that like, but that but that is at that.
Speaker 2:I think that's telling about what people think, that this is Even salvation, even Christianity. They think that this is a thing that my life is rough. It is Dre being bullied and he goes to Mr Hung and he says teach me karate. And Mr Hung is trying to teach him life principles, to change his life.
Speaker 1:And he's like I don't want all that.
Speaker 2:I just want my situation to change. But what Mr Hung is saying is, if I only give you enough to change your situation and your life don't change, you're going to be back in the situation. That's correct. And so God is trying to get us to change our life and we are trying to get our bills paid and we are trying to come up and we're trying to. You know, we're looking on social media and seeing the fame and seeing all the glory and that's what we want instead of wanting God, and God's like man if you get me, I'll be enough and whatever it is that I have planned for you. Yes, I will prosper you, but that looks different. That looks different Christian to Christian, situation to situation. Yes, it's like that's not a standardized prosperity $10 million for all of the Christians.
Speaker 1:No, that's not how. It's not how that works, like that's not God's. God's not measure, that's not his measurement of success. And but I get. I get what he's. I understand where he's coming from where the person who's coming is coming from.
Speaker 1:It's like, you know, if we do, if we just focus on the Lord, he'll give us. You know, he'll give you the I mean, he didn't say this the desires of your heart. You know that kind of thing. People say that, right, when you focus on God, you know, um, you know, seek ye first the kingdom and all these things will be added, and we interpret all these things as millions of dollars, right, and all those, these, these ways that we have, that we have interpreted scripture and the principles of God that really tap into what we want, and then we take that and run with it. And then we take that and run with it. And so, again, this type of conversation to me just brings out. It's a great opportunity to have a needed conversation to unravel some of the ways that we've been thinking right, um, and and to challenge what our expectations are, as we are kind of navigating this world, um, and navigating success, like what, what, what are those? What are those expectations? How should I, how do I deal with, like you were saying, like I have these opportunities, um, how do I make that decision to give some away and to keep some right, um, knowing where I could be if I, if I, if I, if I took them all or whatever. Uh, that that's, this is. This is healthy, um, and you know when you said something it ain't healthy to be discipled by, and so I think that one of the other things that concerns me about these types of conversations is that, on some degree, we focus on the wrong thing. I mean, again, I think it's I. I am absolutely fascinated with business in general, like I love. I love business and strategy. I am going to lean in that direction. I and I have to fight myself, honestly, to be more spiritually minded when it comes to certain things and that and that's. I'm grateful for the community that I have that helps me to do that. I'm grateful for the community that I have that helps me to do that. But that is, I know that and I know where my bent is, and I think it's important. I think it's important that we have people that are wired certain ways, but I just I love the way you have really unpacked that. It's not. It's neither one is like. Both are necessary. It's a question of which is leading you. Um, which one is the one that's going? Which one are you paying more attention to. Which one are you feeding more Um? And that I think those are questions that we need to answer, as opposed to criticizing what he's saying.
Speaker 1:Like, I think that people sometimes, like the, there's a spiritual arrogance that could come across in a lot of these comments that I'm reading. That is like also, there's a lot of um, not even misinterpretation. Like you're like, uh, a miss um, you've just missed it. You, you've missed what he's saying. Like he's not, he's not saying what you think he's saying. You, there are ways, there are things that you're hearing and you're filtering it through something that makes you interpret it that way. Like no, that ain't what the dude is saying. Now, you don't have to like how he's saying it, but let's not, let's not, let's not say what he ain't saying, like that's you know um there, uh, and so I think I think that's important. I will. This is the other aspect and actually, um, producer joy and I talked about this when we first talked about it. Right, okay.
Speaker 1:I think there's also an onus right, and we'll talk about this. It's an onus on the interviewer and the interviewee, Right. So in this conversation, right? Um, this is the show that you know, you're on our show.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is my job as the host of the show this is my perspective to lead the conversation in a way that gets the result I want to get. Like that feeds the. What is it that I that we want for people to take away from it? And that is that is not random. There is there's intention in that right. I think that this is you know. I'd love to hear your thought on the, the, uh, what, what, what the seemingly intended purpose was for the conversation and do you feel like that was clear? And if it was clear, do you feel like that it did what it was designed to do? And how much does the kind of the, the, the person who is um controlling the, the narrative, the onus on that person to then make the narrative meaningful in the way it's supposed to be, and that makes sense yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, I think did. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but he did a rebuttal video.
Speaker 1:I hadn't seen that.
Speaker 2:From what I was gathering from him, if you listen to his when he first started the whole thing, his statement of what he was trying to create it was a platform for people to come and just be comfortable enough to tell their truth. And he said that his platform is not one that he's going to be on there arguing back and forth and like debating or all this stuff. He said I just feel like that's what my platform was created to do is, he says, like Christians don't really have a place to come and just tell their truth and give their point of view without all of this backlash. And so he also admitted that he should have interjected at some points in there. He said, but y'all really knew at doing this and, like, after hearing from you know, some of the people that you know hold him accountable, he could see it.
Speaker 2:But like in that moment he said I'm still trying to figure all that stuff out because this is episode, literally probably episode four. And so he asked for grace because he's related and some things he just didn't know. But he felt like he should have interjected to your point, guided a certain way, and then he ended by saying y'all, I sing hard and I do runs okay, and so, like I mean, he's sitting there making these statements and I am the the guy that actually knows what he's talking about. We don't need to do, and so I think that if it didn't do anything, it got us to this point that we're talking.
Speaker 1:You see what I'm saying. I agree.
Speaker 2:We're talking about it and unpacking it. I've heard so many other artists come out and kind of talk about it and I think it's good that we have these conversations and we unpack some stuff, man, and just talk about it, because there's so much that there's so many different levels to this that you could be like, on the level that I am, I've never been to the Grammys, I've never been to the Dove Awards. So then you have people on that level that they can open the veil, and so I've been trying to. Even today, I listened to naomi rain.
Speaker 2:She did a podcast with lecrae, okay, and so I listened to that, like right before we got on very, very good and just kind of taking you behind the scenes of maverick city, like some of the stuff that was going on, and she had a baby out of wedlock, like all these different things. That, yeah, and so it just informed me even more because, like you, like you felt, like you were saying, even with one of those comments, with when we are on the spiritual side of the argument, it's everything is Bible and Jesus and this, that and the other, and that's great. Yeah, we do live in the world, man. We do have to pay our bills. We do all these things, we still have to make money. We can't just be like we're just going to do everything for free If you try and make some money it's the dollar.
Speaker 1:No, come on now.
Speaker 2:You got to put gas in your car.
Speaker 1:Yes, Come on, you got to put gas in your car. Yes, come on, you got to get to a session. Get to a session.
Speaker 2:Come on, man. She was talking about all of the workers that work for the tours that they're doing. They work sometimes from sunup to sundown. She's like man, these people got to get paid. So what are we talking about? Money, we need money. We need money to run the kingdom of God. You need money for a corporate venture or whatever. You need money. You need money in all aspects. You can't just demonize people that make money, man, but it's just how hard pastors should be as Christians, that we allow God to lead us and not money.
Speaker 1:That's the whole. Thing. I'm not being led by that. Yeah, darnell, what else I want to give you the opportunity to just like what are some other thoughts that you think is important for us to hear and to be reminded of, just from your seat as a worship leader, as a pastor, when it comes to worship?
Speaker 2:Well, I would encourage as I've been talking about pretty much 75% of this conversation I would encourage anyone Christian and especially worship leaders, to go and read 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Chronicles and just study the life of David. I think that he has done so much good and bad that it informs us. It can inform us of our own lives, our own posture, the difference between David and saul, why saul was rejected and david was accepted, and the things that david did, the things that saul did. It kind of looks like well, this looks worse than that and what does god do with this? He has to and like. When we unpack all of that with this story, man, it just helps us. It helped me to like, see myself and like man, what, what am I after? Like? Am I like like when David?
Speaker 2:When David became king and he finally brought the Ark of the Covenant in the right way? It says that he was dressed in an ephod. He was dressed in the garment of the servant workers of the temple, of the servant workers of the temple. He didn't come dressed as a king. And my thing is from 17 to 37, he's been anointed as king at 17, took the actual seat at 37.
Speaker 2:So you got all of this history in between of him running from Saul being a fugitive, having to encourage himself, having caves, and in that moment, man, I'm like, yeah, put the king, put the crown on, put the robe on and be king. Because, man, you've suffered. And I feel like the worst Christian in the world is one that has suffered long and now feels entitled to a position, because I've been walking with the Lord and I had to go without this and I had to go without that, and now I'm getting that position, and then it becomes all about them. But what David did with that moment where the Ark of the Covenant was coming, in, which represented the presence of God, he took his robe off, put on the garment of a servant, because he didn't want the people to have to choose between two kings. He took his position and he pointed everybody to the real king.
Speaker 1:Wow, and so.
Speaker 2:I feel like when we submit to Mr Hong, like Drake, and we allow God to do some things in our heart, he can position us in high places, he can give us finances, he can do all these things, but he's given it to us for us to willingly give it back to him. Give it back. Lastly, I will say at the end of 2 Samuel, david tells one of his leaders to go and count all of the people that's under his leadership. Guy is like well, he said yes, go and count. Why? I just want to know all the people that's under my leadership. So it took this guy several months to go and count all of these folks and come back and give David this number.
Speaker 2:And the Bible says that the anger of the Lord was kindled against David. God was angry with him because now, all of this that you have been through and you did right here and now, you want to know how many followers you got. Wow, that's what all this was about. How many followers you got, how many people followed you. It was strange. Wow, that's what all this was about. How many followers you got, how many people followed you. How many people, wow.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's not what this is about, david, wow, I am the one. You are a shepherd. I took you from you know, chicago in the head and outplaced you here and now you think this is about you. Anybody that's under you was because of me. Wow, I am the one that gave you power to get wealth and I am the one that gave you power to get influence. Don't forget that. Make sure that you always the posture of your heart is. You're showing people, you're leading people back to God. I think that is important If you're going to call yourself a worship leader. It's in the name. Worship means to back up, it means to sacrifice. It means that God in our Christian culture, god is Lord. He's not just Savior, he's Lord. So that means whatever he tells me to do, I follow him.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Okay, that's great. Wow, yep, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, that's good. Darnell, that counting thing is real, the way you just described worship leader, just the bowing and sacrifice leading people. And bowing and sacrifice requires you to do it first and you can't lead people in something you're unwilling to do and that is, I think that's humbling, right. Uh, for for any leader Like I think, I mean worship, you know, I think, uh, this leadership is, is, um, it is about doing the thing first. You got to do it first. Whatever it is you asking somebody to do, you need to be the one to do it first and it first, and a lot of times that's going to be getting out of. The hardest part of doing something first is not knowing how it's going to feel to do it, and so, but you're the one that's willing to go through the unknown so that other people can follow you into the, into the unknown can I say one more thing?
Speaker 2:This is like oh my God, I'm Pentecostal, y'all got to forgive. Things be happening. Exodus 25, moses is on Mount Sinai and the children of Israel at the bottom, and this is when Moses is getting the Ten Commandments. After God gives him the Ten Commandments, he then gives him instruction on how to build the ark, from the material to how big all of these things, how to carry it. All of that was going on on the mountain. And so then God says I want you to ask the children of Israel this is crazy those who are willing to give these materials. So you're going to get them from the children of Israel, give these materials to build this ark. And so then in my mind, I'm like give, get the materials from the children. What did they get it from? So if you go back, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. When they were in Egypt, yep, right before the Egyptians, let them go. God told Moses tell the children of Israel to ask for this and this and this and this and this. So I'm like so God is the one that told them to ask for it. They wouldn't even ask for it. God is the one that told them to ask for it. The Egyptians gave it to them, and now God on the mountain is saying those who are willing Wow, those who are willing to give me back what I gave them. Those who are willing, wow, those who are willing.
Speaker 2:And right at the bottom of the mountain, while this was going on, moses had been gone for 30 days. And it says that the people said Moses is dead and the very thing that God was asking them for, they took and built a golden calf. That is crazy. And they start saying it is because of you, oh golden calf, that we were brought out of Egypt. It's because of you. I'm reading this like man. This is crazy. But that's us, wow. We take what God has given us and we make it the thing that we worship, instead of the God that gave it. And he only gave it to you for you to freely give it back. That's the only thing.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, look, all right, okay, we're done, we got to be done. We got to be done because that's All right, we're done. Thank you all for listening. I don't Thank you all for listening, man.
Speaker 1:Like, I really hope that this was a refreshing conversation for people again, watch the. Just just just go back and watch some of the things that have been going on. I mean, this is, um, you don't have to be a, you certainly don't have to be a worship leader to appreciate this. You don't have to be a lover of gospel music or even Christian music to appreciate this, um, but if you, you know, if you are a believer who wants to unpack what it is that is really driving you, um, and how you measure success, what it is that's leading you, man, this is for you.
Speaker 1:Like you, you know, I think we, I think we have to hear this, because there's so many things that we have to unlearn when it comes to that. I mean, everything about this conversation was about changing your mind. It's something, and and I love how you it's like, when you can do that, the freedom is just, it's you. Everything, everything else opens up for you Absolutely, and life, like you said, your life becomes free, and so I really hope that that is how you are able to receive this after listening to it, y'all Darnell, thank you, man, thank you for the invite man like we pulled this together in like two days.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Darnell. Thank you, man. Thank you for the invite, man. Like we pulled this together in like two days that's right this was refreshing to me, so I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1:Alright, so let's continue. We're going to continue to unlearn together so we can experience more freedom. We're going to see y'all. Next week. We're dropping a new series and we're excited about it. Alright, see y'all next week. We dropping a new series and we're excited about it. All right, see y'all. Peace. Thank you once again for listening to the Unlearned Podcast. We would love to hear your comments and your feedback about the episode. Feel free to follow us on Facebook and Instagram and to let us know what you think. We're looking forward to the next time when we are able to unlearn together to move forward towards freedom. See you then.
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