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Your Desire To Be Motivated is Holding You Back!

• Ruth Abigail Smith

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We talk about why middle adulthood changes what leadership looks like and why our old sprinting habits leave us tired and stuck. We map a practical pathway from inspiration to real momentum by shifting mindset, taking the first step, then building a repeatable method you can teach to others. 


• Turning 40 as a signal to prioritize comfort and sustainability 
• Decentralizing leadership by building systems of support 
• Defining a leader’s real job as care, accountability, direction, communication, and learning 
• Redefining momentum beyond productivity and personal hustle 
• Distinguishing inspiration from motivation and why neither guarantees movement 
• Naming the mindset beliefs that keep us stuck and tired 
• Moving before you know the full plan and why the unknown cannot be solved in advance 
• Using accountability as a hack by telling the person who will be affected 
• Training for endurance leadership through changing terrain 
• Finishing, building a method, repeating it, then multiplying it for others 
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Turning 40 And Choosing Comfort

SPEAKER_00

Yo, yo, yo, what's up, everybody? And welcome once again to the Unlearnt Podcast. I am your host, Ruth Abigail, a K-A-R-A.

SPEAKER_01

What up, friends? This is your girl, Jaquita.

SPEAKER_00

And this is the podcast that is helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience what, Quita?

SPEAKER_01

More freedom.

SPEAKER_00

More freedom. What it do, what it do, what it do, what it do.

SPEAKER_01

What it we're such middle adults. We are. I feel like, you know, listen, you know, not to give away anybody's age, but we're giving away ages. 40 is right here. Pop, pop, bop, bop, bop. It's like we're knocking at it.

SPEAKER_00

You know that what's the the memes that that's been going around 86? You have 1986, and you have uh 1986 is running and then 40 is chasing.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we run it, boy. You ain't finna get me. Let me tell you something. 40 is catching up. Okay. I I've started, I there are distinct things that I'm doing that I know that I'm I'm about to hit 40 and I don't even care. Like I'm like wearing tennis shoes to work. Yeah. But like with like dress pants, be like, you know what, let me put these tennis shoes on. Because what I look like wearing these heels. I don't need those.

SPEAKER_00

Nobody needs to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, no. You you think differently about footwear at 40. You know, you think differently about comfort. Okay. Listen, I'm not trying to be. I was at a dinner last night and had them little flimsy fold-up chairs. I almost left. Oh no. Almost left. The ones that sink a little bit when you sit in them and you gotta hold yourself up. I was I was so mad. I was like, I'm too old for this. No, no. I won't be doing old for this.

SPEAKER_00

The the team was uh discussing today doing a lock-in with the kids. Oh no. I said uh oh no, oh no. I fully support y'all. Uh I won't be sleeping on the gym floor. That's not something that I'll be.

SPEAKER_01

It's not even possible. It's it's not possible that I would find sleep that sleeps.

SPEAKER_00

It's not it's not, it's actually not physically an option. Um you just know there are things that you just have to uh politely exit from.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, excuse me. I'm sorry. I hired the young folks. This is yeah, this is okay. And you know what? In my current role, like I didn't really have a team for a while, it was just me. And I ain't gonna lie, productivity was down, okay, because there are some things, there are some job activities that I was supposed to have younger people for. There you go. It wasn't supposed to be me. You get to a point where you're like, I am no longer the implementer. Uh no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the mentor, I am the the voice. Yes, okay, that's all you need from me. Hello. Can I advise anybody?

SPEAKER_00

How can I how can I help you? Yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01

How can I support you? How can I support you? How can I support you as you do it? As you do it.

SPEAKER_00

That's it. Yeah. What what do you need? What do you need? What would you tell me today? You Quita was advising me on how to have a coaching meeting. You she said, don't say what do you need from me. She said, What do you need from the organization?

Decentralizing Yourself As A Leader

SPEAKER_01

I said that part. That part, no, decentralized. This is an important message for leaders, especially middle adult leaders. Okay, we let me tell you something. I know if everybody who's listening to this podcast right now, if you were to list out all of your priorities, right? They have significant, significantly grown since your 20s, right? And they are competing with each other, right? It's not, you know, from eight to five, I do work things, and then from five to six, I work out because my health. And then from six to eight, it's family time, and then I go to sleep at 8:30. No, no, everything's running together, everything's bleeding together, everything is competing for your time and for your attention, right? And we are no longer at the point where you can put yourself at the center of everything. That's the fact because there's not enough of you to lead everything. You need to lead the people who are leading the things, and if they start putting things back into your hands, that's when you need to say, Hold on, wait a minute, the structure of the organization, we need to re-look at this because I don't do things. I don't I I can. I can. But that's not that's not gonna be the best use of my time and energy.

SPEAKER_00

So what's funny is, and this is y'all not what we actually talking about today. However, we probably could go into this uh later, Quita. But I think last week is just something I jotted down. Like, what do you do as a leader? And these are five things, right? You care, okay, you hold the people accountable, uh-huh, you set strategic direction, you communicate, and you learn. Those are your doings. None of that, did you see anything about execution? That's not your job. That's not your job. If you have a team and you're leading a team, that's not your job. That the the care, accountability, direction, communication, and learning is your job. And that's that's where you put your energy because you you you that's that's the decentralization. And then when you when I heard that, it's like, hey, connect it to a system, a system of of support. That is what I need to like. I need to create a system of support. I don't need to do it. I need to create a system of support.

SPEAKER_01

Let me tell you something. You when you were in your 20s, you felt very much led to make yourself be the answer. Yeah, right. Like, I I I am going to show up as the answer to everyone's problems, right? Because you're looking for that sense of like purpose and identity. And like a part of your identity as a young adult is this is what I'm good at, and this is what I do, and this is where I fit, this is where my significance is, right? And a lot of our a lot of your significance in your 20s and early 30s is in being the person that people can depend on to do things, right? But when you get, I think when you get to this middle adult leadership stage, especially for those of us who are in middle management, who are now pushing forward into more executive management roles, right? Like you have to decentralize yourself as I'm not the answer, but I am the person who is forming and shaping the answers so that so that our the systems of our organization can respond to the needs as they come up. That's right. Um and that makes you a more valuable player. It does not the most visible, that's right, but the most valuable. That's right. And I think that's the shift from young adulthood to middle adulthood. It's a shift from being visible as a groundworker and being valuable as kind of like a top-down worker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I I to like I think that the as you move into that state, we have to redefine momentum. See what I did there? See how I did? See how I did it. Here we go. We gotta we gotta redefine momentum. And so like, because for for for so long, momentum has been about doing and tasks. And like, you know, we're we're we're we're we're we got juggling these many things, and it's like productivity, right, has been what momentum has been about. And what we don't realize a lot of times is that there's a process to momentum that we we we forget about when we're not in that executing stage. It's not that you you it's not that you don't have a pathway towards momentum, it looks different. And so you have to break down the process so that in this season of your life and your leadership, um you understand how to get momentum without necessarily being the executor. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01

That's so good. And I will tell you, you know, I, you know, this honesty, transparency, that's one of our tenets here on the on the Unlearned podcast. You know, I'm at a stage in my life where I've really been asking myself, like, why am I so tired all the time? Right? Like why I just feel exhausted. And a part of it is because, you know, middle adulthood. I mean, yeah, you're just tired. Yeah, different challenges, and and you really are juggling more. But and also if your energy, if your motivation, if your um if your capacity is being misused, like if it's not being exerted in a way that matches the stage of life you're in, you're not aligned, right? And so you're you're running a race that's no longer yours. Yes, right. You you still trying to do the sprints. We're not we not sprinters no more. Yeah, right. We're long distance. That requires pacing, yes, that requires different breathing techniques, right? Yeah that requires not necessarily being the fastest one in the beginning, but being the one that can sustain the longest, right? Like that's what leadership looks like at this point. It's not sprinting from goal to go to goal, it's building a long-range plan that can sustain an organization and the people that are within that organization, yeah. And so you have to shift your mindset to move from being a sprinter to being more of this cross-country runner, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And um, and by the way, I did neither one of those, but it's not the point. Okay, it's okay. Joy did it, all right. Joy does it. Oh, it does it. Joy be running, so yeah, it's represented on the podcast. Don't worry about what me and Ruth Abigail does. Yeah, don't worry about it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Sure.

SPEAKER_00

We have worked out recently. Before.

SPEAKER_01

Oh Lord, I'm getting my life back together though. Don't worry about me. Don't worry about me. Um, but you know, you you if you are if you are in a long distance race and you start sprinting, and you're gonna feel really good at the beginning because you're gonna be like, yeah, man, I just sped past everybody else and I'm I'm all the way up here. But like literally, what when you used to maybe just do a hundred yards and now you're doing two miles. And so you sprinted that 100 yards and used everything you had to get one thing done, yeah, when really now you have 20 million things to do, right? And and so what looked good in the beginning is not sustainable. And I think that's that's the challenge for middle adulthood is sustainability. No, seriously. How do I sustain what I have begun?

Redefining Momentum For Sustainability

SPEAKER_00

So that's real. Like, I mean, and that's that's we're we're you know, we're kind of we're kind of using work as an example, but you think about by the time you get to your 40s, which is really difficult for me to say, but by the time you get there, you know what I'm saying? It I mean, so and and this is the season, this is kind of like a commonality in the season of life. You really do start to your career starts to really start to gain a little bit more momentum in your life. Like you, you get you you're a little more settled there. Um, you know, you might have a family, you might have children, you might be married. Um, you're your your parents are getting older. Um, you you have um you you might have uh you might be an aunt or an uncle and you're you're you know you're supporting your your siblings. You said what? I said might be you are you got a friend, a you you do somebody, right? You got children in your in your circle, yeah. Which means you have parents you have to support, right? Right. So, you know, you you might have um different uh roles in in your in your church community or in you know your your your grand in other other circles. There are like when you think about all of those things, like it there's a lot of different there's all this energy that has to be directed in all these different places. And so to your point, the sustainability factor is so critical. Like if you it is not going, you cannot, you can't meet that, meet these challenges in the same way you did 20 years ago. Um, you don't have you didn't have all that. A lot of people didn't have all of that 20 years ago, some did, but like in this season, it was very different. And so I think as as we're talking about this, like what does momentum look like? And I think, you know, um we there's a process to momentum. And momentum, I also the thing again, again, the sustainability factor. I I told one of my my team members this today, it's a principle of slowing down to speed up. Like there's a um the process of momentum is a lot of times you slow down to speed up. There are some things you have to do before you just sprint. Um and so we're gonna we're gonna just talk about that, but it turns itself into a system because systems are what get momentum, um, not necessarily your personal hustle. That is not you not you can't gain momentum like that. Um when you think about a hill and you're rolling down a hill, as you, as the ball gets further down the hill, it gains momentum, but it starts off slow and it gains it as it's moving. And then you realize, okay, this is what momentum looks like. So and now you can repeat the process once you understand what it looks like. So we're we we just want to like run through some principles around that. And um previous Freedom Friday we put out, kind of went through it fast, like went kind of quickly through them, through each one of these. We're gonna take our time a little bit and just kind of break down uh what this pathway to momentum looks like and what it's not and what we think it is, and it's really not. Like we we think we got momentum somewhere, and really you just you just got motivated and didn't do anything. Like, you know what I'm saying? Let's just be real. You got motivated and excited, and then you sat down and you thought that was enough to gain momentum, and it's not, and so I think you know not, it's not like motivation. Sorry, unlearn that that's not enough. We we get motivated every day, like like Queen was we see we see people telling us to do exercise and go to the gym just about every day in some shape or form. And that has not happened in a few months for me.

SPEAKER_01

But you know, I tell people like something, uh a small distinction. We get inspired every day, like we get made like, and when you get inspired, that helps you to like think differently and believe differently, right? Like you're like, oh wow, like man, working out is a great part of life that we all should do. I am inspired, right? But there's no movement in inspiration. Motivation, you are not truly motivated if you're not moving. That's correct.

SPEAKER_00

That's you're not, but I would even I would even spark you got a spark, but I would even argue there's some things that have to happen even before the movement. Yeah. When you get when you're when you're headed towards motivation, but agreed, inspiration comes first. Like at the at the end of the day, inspiration comes first. Um, and Quita, you know, Quita is an inspirational person. I'm really not. I'm not an inspirational person. I I have no, I that's not my gift. I'm more of a motivation. I'm gonna help you to move. Quida's gonna help you to want to move.

Inspiration Versus Motivation

SPEAKER_01

Like, um, very true. It's true. You gotta know who you're talking to when you call your friends. Yes. Okay, when I call Ruth, Ruth has now started asking me. I will tell her, I'll be like, man, you know, the situation is happening, and I'll just describe the situation, and then there will be a pause, it'll be silence, and she will say, What version of me do you want? Like, and because she knows that I I I and I but I have prepared myself for her to give me my three-step action plan of what I need to do about what I just told her, you know. But I gotta be in the right mindset for that, and there's a mutual respect there for both of us now to be like, yeah, let's let's let's make sure we're both able to hear each other.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, you speak truth. No, no, no. And I we've had to learn that because that I I've had to learn how to ask that question. Like, who am I right now? What do you want from me? Um, because I know what my tendency is. But you just said something, okay. So let's go through it. So, like, quite frankly, I think inspiration we need to say first, right? We get inspired. How like we are um we we get this, you know, this in inner, you know, uh, what's how would you describe it? You can't even define it. I don't, I don't, you know, just like we get all we get our things. Help me. What how would you define inspiration?

SPEAKER_01

So funny. Um, you know, I think I think inspiration is it's it's empowerment, right? Like it is it is something that makes a light bulb go off, or it it forges a new pathway in your mind, or a new neuron. Uh sorry, I was gonna be scientific, but Joyce I hear it and I can't do it. Um but it it it creates a new groove for you to think a different way, right? You have to be inspired in order to in order to be able to believe differently.

SPEAKER_00

That belief, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Inspiration gives you the pathway to say, wait a minute, maybe I wasn't looking at this correctly, maybe I didn't have the right perspective, maybe I uh didn't have the right understanding of what I'm actually capable of doing and capable of having. Um, and so it reframes the way you see something. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So after after inspiration, after you've gotten to that point, which a lot of which I do think is it's a it's a critical first step. I I would argue that the next step is you are motivated. There's something that makes you want to move. Doesn't mean you've moved yet, but it makes you want to move. And it's like, okay, all right. So, Quita, what are some things in your life, and I'll name some too, that you have been inspired and then motivated to do? Um specifically that you haven't done, because we want to get into that, okay? We want to talk about like what that is.

SPEAKER_01

Oh man, you know, the whole idea of being a motivational speaker and just really going forth with that, okay, you know, and allowing myself to really do the work to build the infrastructure for it. Um, tag on to that, writing some books. There you go. Anything I could talk about PhD, but that's neither here nor there. But you're doing that, you're doing that, yeah. And that's my excuse to be like, you know, when I write this dissertation, that's gonna be a book, but it's not gonna be the type of book that I really want to distribute that I I you know that is close to my heart. And so I've been saying I wanted to be an author since I was nine. You know, like I when I was young, I was like, I'm going to write books. Okay, I didn't know, I didn't know that. You were knock, knock, knocking at 4T, and there are no books. No books. There are no books. You have no books. I did a blog for a while. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And uh written some sermons. Unstuck on purpose. Unstuck on purpose. It was actually leads us heart, but on purpose was my hashtag. Ah, yes, unstuck on purpose. And I and I listen, I still use that. It was a good hashtag. Okay. Um, but you know, I I there are things that I was really inspired. I have little drafts of, you know, titles and book chapter names, but no book. Sure.

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No.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, this feels like a conventional movie.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's okay. I've got some. You're fine. There was once a we were gonna um start a t-shirt business back in the day. Um and I actually now I actually moved on this. I bought the t-shirts. Um, so this is back when you buy a t-shirt. This was this so Ashley, if Ashley, if Ashley is listening to this, she'll know exactly what I'm talking about. This is when this is when um me and me and Ashley. And uh we were living together, and another friend of ours, we came with this concept. I look back on that, it was pretty cheesy. Well, we came with this concept. We wanted to do these like um kind of what we call it a Bible talk. And it's like we wanted to do these like informal kind of Bible studies, but do it like not our small groups, but not do it through like a church per se, just because it's like we thought it was better to do it with people you already have a relationship with and like sign up for this small group. So we were like, hey, we should start this movement and like bring friends together and really hold on friendship and use the by and like talk about the Bible and faith and all this stuff with your friends intentionally, as opposed to just with a group at your church that you don't really notice people.

SPEAKER_01

How is that cheesy?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, maybe it okay. Well, maybe not, but I need to edit this out.

SPEAKER_01

Don't be taking my personal side.

SPEAKER_00

We thought it was a good idea, but we were like, oh, we we got a name for it and all this stuff. We we were working on a website and I bought the t-shirts. I still have t-shirts in my drawer. Um, this was 10 plus years ago.

SPEAKER_01

And so I never knew this.

SPEAKER_00

Really?

SPEAKER_01

No, I had no idea what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, and then it just kind of fizzled out. I think I I think we just had different ideas of where to go. I think, you know, it's tough to do something all at one time. So anyway, that was one thing. I thought it was a good idea, but and we but we we moved, but we moved only so far. Um, I've been saying I want to do coaching and consulting, which I've I still want to do, but I'm not I haven't moved on it yet. Um, I've been inspired and motivated to do that. Uh when I was teaching music, I was I had these thoughts of like growing that business, like where I would hire um other teachers and you know, do this method of teaching or whatever. I never did that. I said I'd go get my MBA. Said that a few years ago. And I said if I go back to school, I'd want to get my MBA. And uh that has not happened. Um, I've talked about that. I've never done it. Uh I recently I'm like, hey, I want to I'm gonna need to get back into the piano and practice more. I will say I did move. I got the book, I got books, particularly classical. Like I want to get back into that. I haven't done that in years, and I want to pick up some pieces I used to do in college, which is very ambitious because believe it or not, I used to be pretty good. I used to be pretty good in college. I have lost that as of right now. I can get it back, but it's not with me today. Um but I I had my my books at my mama's house. I finally went to go get them on Sunday. I said I'm going to go get these books, and I have actually put in a little bit of work. So it's in process. I'm I'm not I'm not consistent, but we're getting there. Um but I've been saying that forever. Like I've been saying that for so long. And so these are some things that we have said out loud, maybe not said out loud, have attempted to do.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And we have come short of momentum.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, that part. Now that we've named some things, why don't you drop it? We want to draw, we want to hear some stuff. Okay, we don't want to feel alone. Okay. Send us a message, reply to the video, and let us know what things have you said that you were inspired to do, motivated to do, but it just never really popped off. Right? Never really got there. Yeah, and you know, a lot of these things, like I still really feel like I'm gonna do them. You know, like maybe not that t-shirt business, but I really feel like, I really feel like like I have not lost my opportunity to do them, but I I I have refined who I am, and so it's gonna get done in a different way, but I do have to put a lot more intentionality behind the movement after motivation in order to get that done.

SPEAKER_00

And so I think that the thing, and we talk about this a lot, Quito. The motivation, like I I think I get how I get motivated by the thing that motivates me oftentimes is like being able to see something and like vision it because I'm a I'm a visual person. And it's like if I can see it, then it motivates me to want to do it. It's hard for me to do it if I can't see it. And so it's like, okay, I can see this. I can actually see myself doing this, or I can see this happening. And that usually motivates me. Also, what motivates me is like some sort of purpose behind it, like the why. Like, okay, why do I want to do this? And um keeping that at the forefront and just reminding myself of it. What what motive what what usually gets you motivated?

SPEAKER_01

Um I I would say the the purpose piece and knowing that it is for me, I am a service-oriented person. So knowing that the purpose of what I'm doing is tied to the success of other people and tied to the success of something that's larger than myself, which is what I think like ultimately purpose has to be connected to something that's larger than you, like that that will motivate me because I can be lazy for me all day. Oh yeah. You know, but when when I feel like there are other things on the line, I think it's the oldest daughter in me. Yeah. Right. That's like, hey, you know, I can't let it fall. You know, I gotta, I gotta hold it up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um that that is definitely usually that's that's usually when I come to a decision point of of what I need to take action on.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That's um, yeah, I think uh, yeah, that that other people thing is important. It kind of, it's it's the it's the accountability. It's like I I feel like I can I I don't um I don't I don't care for me like I care for others.

SPEAKER_01

And so wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Because I just really feel like that's something we as middle adults, especially middle adult women, like we we gotta address that. We do, we do, we do. That's so problematic. I mean, and I'm the same way. No, no, no, yeah, no. But you know, like I think like when we are considering why we do things, it is oftentimes at our um not at our detriment, but at a cost to us and and rarely of benefit to us personally.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and so how do we how do we find the middle ground of that?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. I don't have an answer.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I apologize because normally, you know, we do have answers, but yeah, we everybody, everybody take a moment and ponder on that for yourself. Seriously. Okay, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, how do you, I mean, what do you because that that is a thing, and I think I feel like I feel like we are getting better at it. It just doesn't come naturally. Like I am much more willing to sacrifice my own well-being than sacrifice the well-being of other people. Like, yeah, I'm not willing to do that.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. I mean, I think that I think, especially as believers, that's part of the model that we're called to follow. But also, I think that we take it too far. Like, I think that we have completely sacrificed our well-being. Like, there's one thing to like sacrifice your time or your gifting or your our giving input to something versus I am going to lay myself down so that this thing may thrive. Um we do that in every area of our lives. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And it's not healthy. We can't keep doing that. It's again, it's not sustainable, right? Um but but to to the moment to the motivation piece, I am more, I am motivated to your point. I think I add this, I'll echo what you said, like when it when it involves um, when it involves other people and their progress in some way, like um, whether it's my family or you know, young people I serve or my team or whatever, like it it's important to me. So I can be motivated by that. Um the thing that happens after you're motivated, you know the purpose, you're you're aware of it, you may see it. It's like I can do this, like I believe I can do this. You still haven't done anything yet. And where we get stuck is there a lot of times. Like we get stuck in that place. Like it's enough to believe you can do it and to want to do it. But nothing ever gets done. And so to the things that we were sharing, it's like, hey, at some point I believed I could do this and I wanted to do it. These are genuine things, but it didn't happen, right? And so the next thing that you have to work through again, and I think these three things are the beginning of the hill that your ball is rolling down, and it's it's a slow movement. Inspiration, motivation, and this next one mindset. Those three things are gonna take the most time. Um but that that mindset shift is the is the part of that that uh where we really get stuck, like you know, like we get so stuck there, you know. I'll I'll so an example for me there is like if I'm just being transparent with the thank you for that. Uh with the um, you know, leading an organization that is a non-profit. I think I've said this before. I have I'm not driven by making money. I never have been. It's not that I don't want to make a living, don't get me wrong, but I'm not driven by making a lot of money. Um and so the work I do is not characterized by profit. It's not that's not, you know, although I'll argue it is running a business. I don't think that it's it's obviously doing it, it's just a different type of business. Starting any other business, coaching, consulting, whatever, I'll specifically that the thing that I gotta get, my mindset shift is people don't know me for making money. I have more of an altruistic servant kind of identity to the small world that I'm in. Yeah. And for me, to some degree, that mindset that mindset shift is it's okay for you to make a profit. Wow. Because that's not how I've been in the world. Wow. It's not how I've shown up.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And so I have not gotten there. I'm not there. I I feel like I inch towards there, but there's still something that kind of like, especially doing it simultaneously to being in the role I'm in, but even after, you know, when my tenure is up with this particular role, going into something that's not that that's where I'm making a profit, you know, I think it's gonna be a real shift for me. And it's has nothing to do with the fact that I don't think I deserve it, it's the identity factor in the world I've been in.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because you know, for first of all, every time you say mindset, I keep hearing it as two distinct words that like our mind has become set on something because we have been in that place for so long. And so, like, even like what you're saying about being in that nonprofit world and that becoming not only like what you do, but who you are, right? Like, and we allow what we do to become who we are, so much to the point that your mind becomes set in what you do. Um, and and it becomes set in a place. And in order to get yourself out of that, you literally have to, you can't mobilize your own efforts until you mobilize your mind. Yeah, and that's right. Your mind has to be flexible. And uh I think they talk about like neuroplasticity, like right, like you have to allow your mind to move in ways that maybe it really hasn't moved in quite a while. Because one thing I know about Ruth Abigail, while we're being transparent, Ruth Abigail ain't got no problem coming up with a way to make money. Okay. Every time it, you know, so I bake pound cakes, right, for fun. Okay, like, you know, because I'm good at it and I know it's an easy way for me to give something to someone or to do something for someone, and you know, and be like, hey, here's a pound cake, right? Ruth Abigail gave me a full-fledged business, and she was like, You can fund all of the things if you will just sell 20 pound cakes at Thanksgiving. Hey, you know, hey, it's the truth. Like, but that's that's the way your mind naturally works, right? But when it comes to you, your mind has become set in a place, and I think that you the only way to make something um move differently is you gotta flex it differently. You have to exercise it differently, you have to use it differently, or else it will kind of go back into its normal flow. Yeah, and so you have all of these ideas and all of these ways that you make the organization you work for money. Yeah. You're you know what I'm saying? Like you have 10 million methods for bringing in money and funds and resources and connections and partnerships, you know. And so, how do we get ourselves out of a space of being stiff? Because that's really what it is. Like when you're when your mind has become set, it really means that there's an area in your life that you have become stiff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And you've become almost immovable. Um, and the only way, the only cure to that is to move anyway. Yeah. That's it's to do it anyway. To to do it when you don't, when you feel like you can't, or to do it when you feel like it won't work, or to do it when you feel like you're gonna be judged, and people are gonna be like, oh, I thought she was about the people. I I am about the people, me as a person. Okay, with a family, yeah, and with and with other goals and and uh and and objectives to my life, other than what you may have known me for. And so how do you become a person that you haven't known? You know, I think, and yeah, it starts it starts in the mindset. And the only way you can be encouraged to step outside of yourself is that you have to have people around you. You have to have people around you who have either flexed those muscles before, right, or who are further ahead ahead that can say, hey, I see where you are, this is the way, right? And I think a lot of times as middle adults, we have gotten very used to encouraging, inspiring, and motivating ourselves, right? Or to go into a YouTube, like, I'll figure it out. You know, I find a YouTube video, you know, like right, right, right. You know, I also think it's because of all the financial things we've been through. We've been like, I ain't paying nobody for this, right? Well, right, YouTube University will show me how to do this, right? Something break, I'm gonna figure it out. I ain't paying nobody to fix nothing or to help me get to the next level. Somebody on YouTube will show me, but there comes a point in your life where to get somewhere that you've never been, you got to do something you've never done. 100%, or else your mind will stay set.

SPEAKER_00

And you and you said it. I think we try to do this ourselves, but really the secret sauce is getting with other people who are doing it. Um, that's the that's the sauce. Like we we have to do that. I I'm blessed to have a community of people, um, of friends who are that. They're entrepreneurs, they they make money, they do that. And I and you know, I'm the only one, I think currently I'm the only one in the nonprofit field right now. And so um when we have conversations, sometimes I just I shut up and listen because I'm I'm I'm just listening. And it's like because I have I need this, right? And they don't they don't even really realize what it does for me, but it's like I gotta my mindset has to because I have to realize most of my problem is me. It's not other people. I would dare say nine out of 10 people would be like, yeah, that's exactly what you need to be doing. Yes, and this is how you need to do it, X, Y, Z, X, Y, Z.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's me, it's my mindset.

SPEAKER_01

And so me, it's me, it's me, oh Lord.

SPEAKER_00

My Lord. And so it's not, it's not other people, it's what I perceive from other people, and that's not always true. And I think like that can be the hardest thing about changing your mindset is admitting that your mindset is the way it is because of you, not others. And when you get that, once you unlock that, then to your point, I the only way to unlock it is to just move on something. You just have to do something, and and and I think that's when when you have moved, that's how you know your mindset has shifted. You don't know that you've actually changed your mind until you've moved in some way.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, the Bible says you'll know a man by his fruits. That's right. Right. It's you you have to nobody's looking at the vine saying, Who, who's who's this? Right? It's it's what comes out of the vine that identifies what your source is, right? And so I think that oh, so many things I could say. Because there's so many reasons why we don't move. Man, right? There's so when we talk about mindset, honestly, I think that we have gotten to a place where mindset has become this very intellectual thing, right? Like when we say, Oh, I just need to change my mindset, it's I need more knowledge or I need more understanding. Yep, yep, yep. And really, your mindset is so connected to your will, and it's so connected to when we go back to motivation and inspiration, this is why they're all connected. What are you believing about what you can do? What are you believing about what's right and what's wrong? What are you believing about what your actual capacity is? You know, the reason I didn't want to do a PhD, I was like, I ain't got time for that. Right? I was like, I got other things to focus on. I don't need to be doing a PhD, I'm probably not gonna enjoy it. Everybody who does it look like they were miserable. Like, and everybody I talked to who had recently finished their PhD, they was like, girl, only go if the Lord called you to it. Yeah, you know, like don't be PhDA for everybody, everybody ain't called to it. Yeah, and immediately because my mindset, the place where my mind tends to get set and I tend to get stuck, is in the I'm not good enough realm, right? Or I don't have enough, or I'm going to fail, right? Like uh, I'm thinking uh Inside Out, the second one.

SPEAKER_02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, where she where she was, you know, playing hockey, she was, she was going, you know, she was starting to spiral. She was starting to spiral. And remember, it was just kind of like they were learning, like, there's this one little, there's a memory that can create like a theme, like a message for your life that is like the repeating echo in your head of this is where you are, this is who you are, right? And and it became versus becoming like you know, like a thought that I'm loved. Um I think it was I'm a good person. I'm a was the one that she they wanted, and it got replaced. It got replaced with I'm not good enough. I'm not good enough, right? And so it is it is so critical for every middle adult person, right? Because I think we've just identified this. This we know who we're talking to. Young adults, if you want to get ahead of the curve, okay, then listen in. Maybe you can avoid some of the pitfalls. Amen. Okay, maybe you can be, maybe y'all can be different. Okay. I hope so. Maybe maybe y'all can grow faster and be stronger, all right, and make better decisions. That is that's that's my hope for you. That's beautiful. That's what I want. But you know, when when we're thinking about this middle adult life, you know, there are messages that we have been carrying that have informed how we see ourselves, how we show up in the world. And until you identify what the mindset is, not the intellectual thing that you know, but the more intrinsic thing that you have begun to believe. Yes, there is a belief that is keeping you stuck. And I think the belief for me was there was always a fear that I'm going to fail. Like whatever I try, I'm going to fail. Like it's it's not going to work. Yeah. Because there's something in me that doesn't work. Right. And and for the majority of my life, I just had this this lowered um this lowered uh experience or understanding of myself. You know, like you're not that good, you're not that smart, you're not, you know, just feeling like I just wasn't whom other people might have thought I was. And so everything I did, I did with the fear of I'm gonna fail, and everybody's gonna realize that I'm not as good as they thought I was. And so it produced in me this crippling fear that prevented me from trying new things. That prevented me from going after what I thought I should have, or what I thought I should want, or who I thought I could be connected to, or what rooms I thought I could get in, or what degrees and opportunities I thought I could have. It prevented me from going after it because again, the crippling fear was you're gonna fail.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because there's something in you that believes that you're a failure before you even try. And it wasn't until I got to my middle adult years and that I really started addressing not how I felt about what I do, but how I felt about who I am that I was able to shift and approach life differently. Now I approach, I'll be like, hey, I'm that girl. Okay. I'm that girl for what I know I'm that girl for. Yeah. I'm not that girl for everything, but I can do anything. That's right. I can't, and I think that that's such a good statement. I think that's a good thing. I can't do everything, but I can do anything. That's right. I might not do it the way that somebody else would do it, but if it's mine to have, and if it's my space to occupy, and if it's my seat at the table, I can sit in that seat. I I can I can have that position. I can be in that relationship. I can I can fraternize with those people, right? I I can I can be social in spaces where people have titles and paychecks that are bigger than mine, you know, right? Like I can I can be in those rooms. And so it went from a mindset of I can't to I can. And that shift, um, that shift opened many doors.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Yeah. And I think that's it. That's that that is the I like what you said. I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't, I'm not for everything, but I can do anything. Like I can do that. Like, and that that is the mindset, and it's amazing. It doesn't have to be much, but that mindset shift, and like you said, it changed things. Like it when you're when your mind changes, you do move. Because you can't you can't have a changed mind and stay where you are. Yeah, like you won't be able to to to handle that. Like it's like, yo, I I I no no no no. This is different. Like, I can't, I have to do different because I truly do believe something different now. And so that this is where movement can begin to happen, is after you become inspired and motivated and your mindset shifts, which y'all, let's be clear, can take years to to happen. That can take that that that half of the process can take years. So it is really don't don't beat yourself up. Give yourself grace. If you if there are areas in your life where you aren't seeing momentum, the where where you're probably stuck is in that first half. Yeah. And ask yourself, where am I there? Because you're you're probably progressing and you're getting there, but you're not there yet. And that's okay. It can take years, like Queda said, it has taken us years to get to this space, and we're we're still working through it. Um but those are really difficult things to change because it took years to build it up. And you weren't building this, you weren't building up a mindset of um of unbelief on purpose, right? That was that's that's just the product of life. So now you're trying to build up a uh a new belief system on purpose, that's where this unlearning concept has to come in. It takes time to undo something you didn't even really do.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

Movement Starts Before The Full Plan

SPEAKER_00

And so you have to get there. But once you get there, once that mindset has shifted, this this next part personally, this is why I think my this is where I get in my bag. I I am pretty good. Once your mindset has changed, let's go. Like we can go. We can go. There is a process that works. Um I think I've shared this before. I I'm I'm a builder. I like to start things from scratch. Some people that freaks them out. It does not freak me out. It makes me excited. I wanna I wanna be at the beginning of a thing. Um, and so one of the things that I have learned is that it stops one the biggest thing, one of the biggest things that trips people up, even if you have a changed mindset, okay, cool. Now it's time to move. What what trips people up is moving without a plan. I when I when I talk to people who are ready to do something and are excited about doing it, okay, what's your first move? Well, I was thinking this, but I have to do this, and I really need to really need to learn how to do that first, and then I need to talk about this, and then I'm not really sure what I'm gonna do after that. And now you have all these questions on movement when I say, What are you going to do first? I didn't ask you for the whole plan because guess what? You don't know the whole plan. You won't know the whole plan until you start moving. And what scares people is moving without a plan. You've got to make a you've got to take a step before you know the next one. So that's how you build something. You you don't build something, um you you you have to take the step before if you're if you're really trying to gain momentum, I won't I won't say build, if you're trying to gain momentum, you've got to take a step before you know what the next step is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Otherwise, you will stay, you will be frustrated that you are mentally ready to change, but physically nothing has happened. And that's that's that attention you want to live in for too long, because then I think discouragement comes into play. And and and you don't want to be discouraged because of a lack of movement. You've done the hardest part. You've done the hardest part. The hardest part is changing this up here. Now we gotta we gotta get past the fear of the unknown.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

Endurance Leadership And The Woods Path

SPEAKER_00

All right, so now what are we gonna do? All right, so Quita, like you were saying, you wanna be a motivational speaker and or and an author, right? Cool. Once you have, this is just an example. Once you have moved from through inspiration, motivation, and mindset, and you're like, I'm ready to do this. Cool. And now it's like, okay, Queda, what are we gonna do? I well, I gotta set my price list, okay? I gotta find a publisher, I gotta give a little website, I have to figure out what am I gonna write about, what am I speak about, what is all this stuff, all these questions that you're trying to answer before you move. No, what are you gonna do first? And for me, this is me, and Queda love to hear how how you usually handle this. When I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to move, a lot of times the first thing I do is I tell somebody what I'm about to do. For me, that holds me accountable. And I don't just tell anybody, I tell somebody who's gonna make sure I'm gonna do it. And and I don't just I I tell you, I definitely tell you, but I will tell people who it's who it's going to affect. So it's like if somebody asks me, um, hey, I I really I need your help with uh with thinking through this problem. Okay, here's I'm I'm creating and I'm creating like a system to do that. Well, okay, I'm going to do this, you're gonna hear from me in two weeks. It has to affect you. So I'll just tell my friends or my mentors, I'm gonna tell people who would actually be helped by what it is I'm trying to do. Because that puts me accountable to say I gotta do something towards that thing, right? So when we were doing this podcast, we still when I started when we started the podcast, right, back in 2023 before Quit and Joy got involved. I when I got to that point where my mindset has shifted, it took a minute, it took about a year for me to really believe that this was possible. And I the people I told the one of the first people I told was the first guest on my show. I said, I want you to be the first guest. As soon as I said that, there was an expectation that they were gonna be a guest on it. So now I gotta do something. I'd have said, I'd have told these people I want them to be my first guest. That that is it tricks, it's a it's a hack for people who find themselves um procrastinating or overthinking or uh or or just um kind of paralyzed and because I don't really know the unknown kind of freaks me out. That's a hack. Tell the person who it's going to affect, make that your first move. Wow, yeah and it it will trigger the other things.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Uh, you know, I I was I I keep going back to this uh this track metaphor that we began earlier. As you guys know here recently, we love a metaphor. Um and we will drag it out. Well, we will please bear with me as I do that. Um, but you know, when the difference, one of the differences between sprinting and cross-country running is that when you are sprinting, when they train, they stay on the track, right? Like, and so it is a very, you know, reliable, you know, predictable path, right? I'm gonna stay on this track, I'm gonna start at this point, I'm gonna end at this point, and that is how I'm gonna know that I did my 100 meters or my you know, 400-yard dash or whatever they're doing. Meters and yards are not the same thing, but you you y'all get what I'm saying. We got it. But people who run long distance oftentimes train by running on different terrain, yeah. Right. And they go out into an outside territory and they pick their way through the woods, usually. Like I'm like, where y'all going? You know, yeah, but and and and it's you you may not, it's not a track where you can see your way around it, right? Like when you run on a track, you can see the starting point and the end. Come on, Jaquita. You can see what's this metaphor, Jaquita? Work this metaphor. Yes, you know, you you can see exactly where you're going, you know that terrain. And in our young adult years, we got a lot of we got a lot of quick victories that way.

SPEAKER_02

Right?

SPEAKER_01

We got a lot of quick victories because it was if I do A, B, and C, I'm gonna be successful. I'm gonna get from start to finish because I can see my way there. Yeah, right. Where we are now, as we are building things and trailblazing things and building strategy for organizations and building families and building, you know, uh uh future ventures and legacy, right? We're building legacy now, right? Like this is the legacy that, you know, one day your great-grandchildren are gonna be like, well, you know, great-grandmama Ruth, you know, she started this, this, this, and you know, right? You're picking your way through the woods, right? You're starting something and you don't know how it's gonna end. Yeah, you don't know where the end point is, you don't know how you're gonna finish, you know, but you know that as long as you endure, you will get to the end. And so NASCAR it's it's not depending on your ability, it's dependent on your endurance, right? It's not dependent on your intellect or your gift set or your this or your that. It is he who endures to the end, he who finishes the race, run your race with patience, but finish it, right? And so there is this focus on you don't know what's on the path. You know, when when you're on a track, you know there's nothing on that track. You know, you know you're not gonna get tripped up. You know, you know nobody's gonna like do anything. There's rules and regulations to the track. When you're running through the woods, when you're running through terrain where they haven't established a way of being in that place, nobody makes rules in the woods. Yeah, nobody, nobody says a branch can't fall and get in your way. It may have that branch wasn't there yesterday. Why is it here today? Right? It rained and now the ground is wet. What is this code? That's good. Right now it's a mudslide, right? Where it used to be dry ground. I wasn't expecting to get dirty today. I wasn't expecting to get dirty today. And so as we are running at the at this new level where the air is different, where the the impacts on our body is different, because you know, I I watched as Joy trained to run her half marathons, you know, because she's now done multiple. Okay, we we love producer. We're very, we're very proud of it. We're very proud. Very, very proud. But you know, Joy would, you know, one day she would run five miles, then she would run six, then she would run seven, eight, and nine, you know, and then she would taper off, and then she's running, and she's you know, like there is a system to learn how to train your body to be able to endure that race. That's right. And I don't want anybody to see the process that they're in as wasted time. You've been training, you've been at the five-mile mark, and you learned how to do five miles, and then you were at the six-mile mark, and you learned how to breathe through and push through another mile. Then you had to add another mile, and you had to learn something else, and you had to become something more in order to get to this point. And now we are finally at the part where we can get in the race and show God and show our communities and show our families that I'm built for this, I'm prepared for this. I may not know what the terrain is gonna hold, but I know how to finish. That's good. I know how to finish. And so when you when you're thinking through the expectations of yourself and you're thinking through, okay, this is, you know, like this whole idea of pushing yourself, right? And holding yourself accountable. You need people in your life who not only hold you accountable for finishing to finish, but also celebrate you through the process because they believe that much in you finishing, right? I don't celebrate you at mile one because I knew you were gonna you were good at running one mile. Yeah. I celebrate you at mile one because I know you're gonna get the mile five. I celebrate you at mile five because I know you're gonna get the mile nine. I celebrate you at mile nine because I know you're gonna finish. And um, I just think that we are at a point, just in human history, honestly, it is easy to look at the world right now and become very discouraged, you know. I ain't gonna name nothing, but everybody knows going oh okay, right. It is it is very easy to really believe that that things could could bring an end, but I have to remain in faith and in hope that God is a finisher. That's right, and that he will finish what he began. That's right. That he will finish the good work that he started in me and in us, and that there is still a good work that is working on our behalf, that all things are still gonna work together for the good of them that love God and are the called according to his purpose. And so you have to believe in the finish. And I think that's where the mindset shift has to start is that I because I'm a I ain't gonna lie, my personality type, I love to begin a thing. Okay, I love to start a thing, it's beautiful, right? But the power of creating systems that last past you is in is learning how to finish.

SPEAKER_00

And with that, finishing, and I think this is again, this is the this is the uh what's the word I'm looking for? This is the next level that where we where momentum comes into play. Is I think you said it with your with the with the marathon with the long distance analogy. I I I love this. This is y'all go back and listen. That was good. That was good. You did your you did your good stuff on it. Um once you've done it one time, you know you can do it again. Now you don't necessarily know what's coming because you you cannot say that, but if you finished one, you know you can finish another one. That is momentum. Wow. That's momentum. So like I it's a predictable path to success. So like I am aware, like I got I so so what okay, let me back up. So when you start to move, do the thing that's gonna get you on the path. Start running. Start, just start. The gun has gone off. Don't sit there and try to figure out your way through them woods, just start running. There's no way that you're gonna know what's coming ahead of you. You're gonna you might fall and slip and get dirty, and all that's that's real. That's just that's called the journey. It is what it is. Once you do that, you will on your way begin to see things you didn't see before because you it's within your sight. Okay, this stick tripped me up. I see another stick, I'm going left. All right, cool. Um, I I see this puddle over on my right. I I just got wet back here. I'm not trying to get wet again. I'm gonna let me go around the puddle. You start to recognize things and patterns as you move. Too many of us get stuck by trying to figure all that out before we move at all. And a lot of times we get it wrong because you don't know what's coming. So you want to start moving. Once you have done the movement and you've worked through the movement and you've gotten to whatever your finish is, you go back and you create a method. Now, this is what I know to do. I got a method to the marathon, I know how to do it. Again, it doesn't mean everything will be the same, but I recognize what is needed to get to the finish line. And I and then I repeat the method. When you can repeat the method, which is which is your predictable path to success, momentum. Yeah, now I can move because I've gone through all these steps. I've changed my mindset, I've been inspired, I've motivated, I changed my mindset. I started to move, and then I look back after I've gone through the slug of getting there and and said, How did I do that? What was the what was the pathway? Yeah, here's the pathway. I can repeat it. If you can't repeat it, you have no method. But you can't you can't repeat something you don't finish. So you got so now you have a methodology and that's when you can I can repeat the process over and over and over and over. And I could do that in this section now. This is this this you gotta take this in each thing, right? So this just because you do it in one area of your life doesn't mean it automatically happens in another. But you understand the process, and I think that's when momentum happens and the snowball gets faster and faster because you begin the process again with confidence, and you're not you're you're you're not um you're not you're not as cautious the second time as you were the first time because you kind of know what to expect. Right. And so I'm willing to take more risk. I'm willing to go a little bit faster here. Um, I'm willing to, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm you know, I know who to trust, I know who not to trust. Like this is I know that kind of those kind of answers, those kind of questions get answered your first time. And then when you okay, let me press read. Repeat. How does this need to work now? Um, now I can say, okay, cool, let's do it. And then by the time you get to your third time, your fourth time, it's like, okay, all right, cool. Like, I know how to do this. Again, it doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, it doesn't mean everything will work out exactly the way it did before, but you approach it differently because there's a confidence you have, and so the momentum that you're looking for will show up faster, but you've got to get through those first those steps first. Um and I think that's that is your that is your key to actually being having momentum in these areas of your life. You've got to start from the you gotta work those first three, which could take a long time inspiration, motivation, and mindset. Then you just start moving and then track your movement, process it, and push repeat and then teach it to somebody else.

SPEAKER_01

I I was just about to say, like, you know, as a PhD student, I was like, man, this is when you said methodology, I was like, absolutely, you know, like methodology theory, you are building, you are building, this is how we create knowledge. Like, this is how we add to the database of what it means to be successful, of what it means to create and to build and to and to strengthen infrastructures. This is how we create, when we allow ourselves to change and to go through our processes, we also empower systems to change and other people to have access to what we've learned. Um, and it takes that as a leader, it takes you going through the unknown territory in order to be able to show your team, to show your organization, to show your family, to show your churches, to show whatever it is that you're tied to the way. That's it. Right? Like um, I had an instructor um whom I love dearly, who gave us um these little uh magnetic pins, and they say the obstacle is the way. Right? Like it is like the way forward, the way to the next opportunity, the way that you're um the way to your next blessing, to your next promotion, to your next good thing. It is often we are the things that we are trying to avoid are the things that were actually sent to get us to where we're asking God to let us go. For sure. And we keep trying to run around it when really you have to run through it. That's right. Um, because the benefits that you get by going through the obstacles will far outweigh the pain, the struggle, the stress, everything that you experience. And I think so many times we get stuck in experience. We get stuck in this sucks, this makes me angry, this makes me sad, this makes me tired, this makes me uh feel a certain way about myself or feel a certain way about people, but going through that thing is what produces in you the necessary piece to the puzzle that gets you to your next level. That's right. And that's right, you getting to your next level is empowering someone behind you to also get to theirs.

Multiply The Method And Closing

SPEAKER_00

You gotta, that's it. I mean, that's it. And anyway, I think that's and that's true momentum. When you can multiply that thing outside of yourself, that's good. That's it. That's what you want to do. You gotta multiply. That's the next M. That's that's hey man. Look at look at God. Look at God. That's right. No, that's true. You gotta multiply it. And uh, and so I think that's it. That's good. Is that where we're done? I think we're done.

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Joy hates it when we do it. Um I think that's it. Like that's it. I think we're done. But I think this is really powerful. Listen, if you two thought this was powerful, if you found, listen, the nuggets be dropping. They do, and I'm not saying it's because we're so good, I'm saying it's because we serve somebody that's that good. Hallelujah. Right. The nuggets be dropping, and if you want to be a part of this community, which I think everyone should because we are just really excited about just learning and growing together. So come do it with us. Like, share, subscribe, comment. We want to talk with you guys. Listen, I went to a birthday party um this past weekend, and somebody stopped me because they saw an interview that we did and absolutely loved it. I love it. If you watch the podcast, you see me out and about, pull me to the side, let's chit-chat about it. You know, we love talking about it, we love talking with you guys, and that's why we do it. So like, share, subscribe, comment, engage.

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Engage, engage. Guys, uh, thanks for listening, and we'll see you next week. Until then, let's keep unlearning together so that we can experience more freedom. Peace. See y'all. Thank you once again for listening to the Unlearned Podcast. We would love to hear your comments and your feedback about the episode. Feel free to follow us on Facebook and Instagram and to let us know what you think. We're looking forward to the next time when we are able to unlearn together to move forward towards freedom. See you then.

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