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Ogden Valley Road Guide: The 3 Main Ways In & Out of the Valley

Paden Anderson Season 1 Episode 181

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In this episode, we break down the three main road systems that connect Ogden Valley to the Wasatch Front — and why understanding them matters more than most people realize.

Whether you live in Eden, Huntsville, Liberty, or you’re thinking about moving to the valley, these roads shape daily life, commute times, winter travel, recreation access, and even real estate decisions.

SPEAKER_02

Welcome to the Buff Show, a show brought to you by Mountain Buff Real Estate. We are dedicated to chasing down the buffs of the world and bringing their expertise right to you. Alright, guys, welcome to the buff show. Today I got Hunter and Whitney with me, and we're gonna discuss the roads in and out of Ogden Valley, Eden, Huntsville, and Liberty. I think this is like probably the biggest thing that kind of holds our the little valley back from being like a big valley is the access. Because you really have Ogden Canyon is kind of like the center main artery to the valley. And then you have Trapper's Road, Trapper's Loop Road, and then the North Ogden Divide. So we're gonna kind of go into each one in depth and talk about the pros and cons and what it's like so that if you guys are looking at calling this place home, you know what to expect. So let's start out with Ogden Canyon, also known as SR 39. It's a two two-lane canyon road. So maybe Witt, can you give us kind of an overview of what it's like driving the canyon?

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It's narrow.

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Very narrow.

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Like I would say that's probably your number one thing. And the speed limit for half of it is 35 miles an hour and then mostly 40. Um there is a specific area that is called the Narrows near the Ogden side.

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And um It's kind of by the cave and the rock climbing wall that people are always at. And it's very um There's like one corner that you always see trucks hitting the like their tires, tire marks.

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But yeah, and like it it drops off into a river, so like there's not really anywhere for you to go. So if you're going into the canyon, it's what like a five to ten minute drive through the canyon.

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Yeah.

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So it's not far, but you gotta be able to like know that there's only a handful of pullouts that you can go to. Um you know, I would say it's probably your safest bet in most instances because it's flat. Um very flat. Yeah, that's gonna be your flattest um roadway. So, like in the winter, if you are a nervous snelly on hillsides and don't have proper tires or the proper car, it's probably your best bet.

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Oh, for sure. If it's snowing, it will have the least amount of snow just because of the elevation. And then the only climb is like going up the dam or the spillway, like as you come into the valley.

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And they do the best job at plowing that kind of first. That's like one of the main access points to the valley that they'll take care of first.

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You know, I think your biggest risk is the windy roads and then you're like side like it you're passing cars. Like, yeah, it's just two lanes.

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So you're and especially in the narrows, you're you're quite close to one another.

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And I like if I pull a trailer, I hate because you have to kind of take that corner wider, and it like you're like you're close to like the other lane of traffic, which is it's a little nerve-wracking. It's tricky. So here's some other stats. So it's nine miles. Um you're supposed to have no vehicles over fifty feet, but I mean you still see a lot of people taking um like big trucks and trailers through. Uh, because really the only other alternative route is like trapper's loop. And it if you're crazy going over the divide, um, but that's just so steep and windy that your brakes could go out. Um says average crashes a year, 2010 to 2023, about 52 per year. And then um 60 over the last five years. 60 crashes a year. That's like one a week. That seems that seems uh more than that seems a little high. Yeah. But that's that's uh check.

SPEAKER_03

It could be pulling in like minor fender benders. I think as far as like big crashes, there's maybe a few a year. Yeah. Um I mean, one that prompted a lot of that change for the 50 foot trailer thing is um there was one that was pretty deadly in the in the narrows.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, with that that that uh dozer that fell off the trailer, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um but all in all, I would say it's still pretty safe. That you'll get people that are idiots and drive fast or like really try to bend the rules, or people who will pass in the canyon. It's not a passing road. None of it's all double yellows. So don't pass in the canyon. Yeah, those signs. But um yeah, I would say that that's probably you know, it's your one-offs where people are speeding, or or or how about the rocks? Oh yeah, that's also in a rainstorm. Just be prepared to go go slow around the corners because like even in my truck, uh there was a boulder that we had to swerve around because it was big enough that you couldn't drive over it. I could not drive over it in my truck.

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Well, there was that one that that red truck that got crushed by a rock. Yeah. Did you see the pictures in the news on that one? It nobody was in the truck. But so I think they were just parking at like a trailhead or something, and uh a rock just smashed it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, my grandparents had one fall right on their windshield and shattered it. But it was more by the spillway where they now they have that huge net. Yeah, so it's fine, but yeah, bam! Right on. It was crazy.

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Yeah, yeah. And it's mostly like heavy snow or rain when like it you get run off and it moves rocks, and then rocks kind of move around and come down.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, which I think with the Canyon 2, biggest pro tip though is if you take it slow, I don't really think there's much to worry about. You know, like even with a trailer, it can get very tight, which is not good. But if you're taking it slow and not in a rush, paying attention, yeah. You know, where the accidents happen, I feel like when people are going too fast around the corners or not paying attention that way, you know.

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So then the second main, I guess, artery we'll call it, is Trapper's Loop or SR 167. And this one's like a highway. It's got three lanes, there's passing lanes on both climbing sides. This takes you from Mountain Green, I-84 to Huntsville. It's about 11 miles. It summits at about 6,000 feet of elevation, and then SR 226 goes out to um Snow Basin Road. So great. I I love this road. Um, it's super easy and convenient if you're heading south. So if you're going to like the airport or Morgan or I mean Salt Lake City and and beyond, like it's it's a pretty easy road to hop on and just go. Um, it gets really bad on like snow days. Ski days, yeah.

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I will say it's maintained very well.

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Yeah. For sure. And when I say it gets really bad on snow days, it's everybody that's coming up to go skiing. Yeah. Like there's traffic. Yeah, like so at like 9 a.m. on a Saturday and it just snowed two feet, um, the turning lane into Snow Basin, like I've seen that backed up like a mile or two down the road. Oh where people are at the bottom of the people are trying to turn into Snow Basin and they can't. Or the worst is at four o'clock after a ski day.

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Yes.

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And down at that intersection in Mountain Green, if you're trying to turn um left, it's near impossible. Like you're gonna be there forever. I've been there on like just a normal like Sunday going to my mother-in-law's for dinner, and like I'm like, geez, they just they need a like a traffic light here so bad. And you have to do it. I think eventually they will. Well, there's actually a huge because I was researching this, I think they have like a hundred and twenty five million um like grant or something or budget directed at the I-84 interchange. Um and it's gonna connect I-84 to Trapper's Loop Road.

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So that'll just go straight through to the interstate.

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But that on an off ramp down further into Mountain Green, that's gonna be like taken away, and then they're gonna have a new on and off ramp, like right in the I'm sure the people on that roadway are gonna love that because there's a lot of traffic that flows through to get to the interchange. So well we were selling a house on that road in Mountain Green, and um that was like a big selling point. It was like, hey, this you're not gonna have traffic like this forever. You know, because there's a park and a church and like all a bunch of stuff on that street. And so um eliminating that traffic in that on-ramp will be nice. So um that's gonna be crazy. Um only thing you really need to watch out for on Trapper's Loop Road is wildlife. Yeah, moose. Yeah, yeah.

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My husband hit a turkey and an elk up there before.

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An elk? I don't see the elk up there very often, but it it was crazy.

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It like hit his um side mirror. Yeah. And like he stopped to go look at it. It just kept running.

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Really? Just took his mirror off. Yeah. Wipped out his mirror.

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But there are a lot of moose. Like you'll even see them on the side of the road. Like, yeah.

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It's cool. I love seeing all the moose there. But yeah, Snow B Snow Basin has a lot of moose up there. And you'll see some deer and some elk, but I'd say moose is kind of the most primary pro prominent there. Um yeah, I mean you get some elevation, so like if it is snowing, just watch out. But overall they they maintain that very well. Great if you're pulling like a truck and a trailer and have like a big load because it's just you have a lot of space. There is some elevation, so you just have to plan for that. But I feel like overall it's a really good road.

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It's a bit more steep on the valley side.

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Yeah.

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Um, and so you just have to be, I would say with all like valley living and traveling on our roads, you just gotta be really good at knowing your engine brakes.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like learn how to use those. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Shift down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they do it pretty well too because you're you're two lanes wide if you're going up from Huntsville, and then you're one lane going to Mountain Green. Yeah. Right. And then it's the opposite going up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

There's also still passing lanes like on either side, you know. So you have plenty of space if you are following a trailer, even if you're on the downside, there's still windows for passing. So I feel like all in all, Trappers is great.

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It's probably one of the prettiest drives you'll do. Like a ton of people will take motorcycles or their sports cars up, just like doing like a pleasure ride.

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Yeah.

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And then if you're looking for a good spot for family photos, great spot.

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Lots of good opportunities up there.

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You hit it in the evening, you got the sun setting, and the mountains just lit up. It's beautiful. Snow basin behind you, lots of bridles and engagements there really last year. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about the North Ogden Divide. So this is like the furthest north one that's um maintained year-round.

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Sort of.

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Yeah.

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If it gets too bad, or like avalanches, they do have gates that they'll close it now, so you can't get past.

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Right. So North Ogden Divide is a county road, not a state road. Um it drops you right into North Ogden. So like if you live in Eden or Liberty and like you want to hit a bigger grocery store if you're going to high school, that's like where Weaver High is. And it's nice because if you're in Liberty, you can be over there in like 15-20 minutes, which is nice. They did recently put in some trail cams up there so you can see what it looks like. Um weather-wise. Yeah. Like, yeah, see if there's like snow sticking, and then also there's a good Facebook page. What is it? Ogden Valley like road conditions. And uh, like anytime I'm going and it's like the weather's questionable, I'll be like, hop on there, because people post all the time.

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Oh, it's at like 5 a.m. for their high schooler across the roads.

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Yeah. Um, but it is there are some steep drop-offs. It's two-lane, you're passing traffic. Um, so just be careful. It's not a road to really take trailers on and stuff like that.

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And there's not hardly any guardrails.

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Like there's some, but if you go off, you're going down. Yeah.

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Having a nice long drive downhill.

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So I I I've taken people up over that, and people it it scares people. It's pretty. Um, in the fall, you get a lot of colors. And I think as long as you're careful and you have a good car, like there's not a lot to worry about. So just be careful. Um, it is up at the top, that is like a trail system for you can hit skyline or go up to like um Lewis Peak or Ben Loman. So awesome trails up there at the top.

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There's like a parking area, so like that's nice for if you do need to sit out of storm or whatever, like that's also a good spot to find yourself.

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Yeah, there is a spot if you get up there, you can pull over and work up the curves.

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Just really pump yourself up for a second.

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And you really just have to pick. You're like, because I've gotten up there with a trailer. There was one time I was pulling a trailer over that, and I'm like, man, this is such a bad idea. Barely made it up over the top. And then I'm like, stop at the top, and I'm like, well, I could turn around, but if you just I'm still going down. Going down worse than up. Like Yeah. Yeah. We made it, no crashes, so that was good.

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Um I think again, that's where the the brake, the engine brakes come in, shift down, learn how to do that. Because also a lot of people, I don't know if it drives me nuts when I'm following someone who's just riding their brakes and I can just smell their brakes heating up. And it's like it's it's not a great smell. No. And also, like I worry for them if they were to get to the bottom and you know, lost their brakes because they're too hot. So I think people really do need to learn how to use like shifting down and and I know a lot of cars do it for you now, but I think it's still a skill to learn when you're living in the valley.

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Oh, yeah. I think yeah, that's definitely definitely something to be said. Is like you can kind of learn how to drive just by living in the valley, going over the divide. I remember my dad, I think when I had my learner's permit, you know, he'd and maybe before, I don't know, but he'd have me drive his diesel trucks and trailers up the divide, and I'd drive myself to school to Weber, and he'd have me stop on a hill and try to learn how to not roll back, you know, and then ride the engine on the way down because brake fate is real on the divide and powder mountain road. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, you gotta watch out for that. Shift down. I put on the the toe haul if your car has it. Yes. Just to gear it down and and then don't ride your brakes. Right. Yeah.

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Tap them.

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So let's those are the three main like year-round access points. There's two other ones that are like secondary routes. Um, you have the Monte Cristo Highway, SR 39 east of Huntsville. That goes over into like Woodruff. Yeah. And Bear Lake.

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It's a good access point to Bear Lake from the Valley.

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Or Evanston, you can get over there that way. Um, it peaks at 9,000 feet, one of the highest paved roads in northern Utah. It's about 61 miles. Closed late November to about mid-May. Um I I love it. That that's a fun road. And in the wintertime, we snowmobile because they shut it, they shut it down. So like you'll go up as far as you can, and then there's a huge parking lot, and then that's the road that we take to get up to all the backcountry snowmobiling.

SPEAKER_03

Which is there a club wreck up there as well? Like a little club wreck station. Yeah.

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Yeah. Um, and then in the summertime, like we've taken street bikes up there. There's like all sorts of trails and camping and hunting, people hunt up there. So it's just like uh uh an access point to just tons of recreation upright.

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It's also a super peaceful drive. Like if you're it's two-lane, um but wider, I would say.

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Yeah.

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But it is super peaceful. Like I have a a listing up there um off of Ant Flat Road, and uh every time I have to go up there, I'm like, oh, this isn't special.

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Yeah, you're like have to.

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You're like my kids aren't in the car.

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Yeah, it is a it is a very peaceful drive up there.

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And that's the road that leads you to Causey as well. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you can get up to Causey Reservoir on that road, which is fun. That's a staple in the summer. And then the other one is the Avon Pass Road, and that's not paved, just dirt road. Have you guys been on that one? Oh yeah.

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It's very bumpy. Yeah. So bumpy.

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But usually with the ATV.

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It's good, it's good for off-road vehicles for sure. Like dirt bikes, ATVs, razors. It's a great road to go to.

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You can take like a truck or an SUV on it. There's been a few times we were going up to Cache Valley, and I'm like, let's just go the back road. And it's about the same time. Yeah. Like it, it's it's a way, it's a shorter distance, but and you're drink you're going slower, but it's just like um bumpy dirt road. There was one time we took it. They they put they had a grater on it, and so they grade it nice. That was a few years ago. But it does get washed out pretty quick.

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We were gonna take that road to a lacrosse game once that we had up in Logan, and we're like, uh, we we timed it. It was about six, so I was like, maybe let's not like destroy our truck.

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Right, right. And they'll close that one too for I mean most of the winter, they'll put the gate there until springtime. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think they get a bit more snow that direction. I feel like the further north you go, the more snow it gets. Yeah. But Mani being so high, you'll get lots of snow over there too. For those snowmobile enthusiasts like Peyton.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So whether what's the road you guys find yourself traveling the most?

SPEAKER_03

Probably Ogden Canyon and North Ogden Divide. Yeah. Just depends on what my motivation is. If I'm going to the grocery store, there's a Smith's at the bottom of um the canyon. There's a Smith's at the bottom of North Ogden Divide. I'll probably go to the North Ogden Smith. I like that Smith better. I do too. Yeah. Um it's it's newer, it's cleaner. It's yeah. And, you know, like my kids play sports down there. Right. That's where we get our haircut.

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Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's kind of where we but we're right in Eden. And so we're a little more centrally located. Either way, it's probably sixes for me.

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Yeah.

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Um But I I do find myself I like Ogden Canyon, especially coming to like work, because it's it's an easy route for me.

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But then you go home over the divide. Yeah. I will today. Yeah. How about you, Hunter?

SPEAKER_00

I'd say the divide really for sure. Yeah. I well, I don't know why I just love driving it like more than the canyon. They're both beautiful, but also because my parents' house is on that Eden Liberty side. So it's way faster to go that way. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's funny when I come because our office is in Ogden, I'll typically come down um the canyon and go back up the divide. Because it really is about the same. And then the only time I take trappers is if I'm going down to like Salt Lake or Davis County and that like I just need a direct point. That's pretty quick. And it's always surprising because I feel like coming through the canyon would be faster, Ogden Canyon, but it's about the same to go up and over Trappers. And then I'm like, well, I'd just rather take like the scenic route and not have traffic and narrow what narrow roads and stuff like that. So um yeah, I would say I'm probably like 50-50 Ogden Canyon and the divide, and then Trappers was like on occasion. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I'm I'm about the same.

SPEAKER_02

So what would you say to people looking to move here and they're like, man, but like the access just isn't that great? Like, what's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03

See, I have a hard time answering this because it's all I've ever known. Yeah. Like I grew up up here. This is I've always just had to drive that distance to get to the grocery store or to a sporting event or whatever. Um so it never really was like something that was out of the ordinary for me. For people coming here though, like it really isn't that big of a sacrifice. You just have to plan your trips. Like if you're if you're going down to gro go grocery shopping, like take a cooler with some ice if you're gonna go to Costco.

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Yeah.

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And then, you know, hit your other shops. Uh but like for me, I've I am a planner, so I like to plan out where my stops will be and how long I have. And so I that's kind of my motivation is like I just make sure that if I'm going down, it's just it just becomes the norm and it's what you exchange for living where you live. Yeah. Like if living in a place like the Ogden Valley is on your bucket list or somewhere someplace that's really high on your list, it's a small sacrifice, in my opinion, for what you get in return.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I feel the same way, it's all I ever knew. Yeah. And I came to love it. Like again, it was just fun. You know, something fun to to drive. So it becomes normal, you know, even if it's maybe not normal at the start. I think it becomes normal. And at the end of the day, it's becomes starts to be not not a sacrifice. Right.

SPEAKER_02

You know. Well, it's like if you travel, like I've been to Hawaii. We went to Hawaii and I was shocked at like the traffic. On like rush hour times. And there's like one road going to like some of these places. And I'm like, geez, well, like it was like, and maybe we we just didn't know to not travel during that time. But like the people there were like, yeah, just like just how it is. Just what I think. And I'm like, I'm like, I couldn't do this. Like, this is crazy. And so I think it's kind of the same for us. But it it like comparing it to like other places like Hawaii or California, where you have like so much traffic, and like going a short distance takes so long because of the traffic. I'm like, man, you can be to the airport in under an hour. And that's not a bad trade-off to live like in the valley.

SPEAKER_00

So and that that's something I would even add to is I like like when I'm driving, I want to cover some ground in a quick amount of time. You know, like in a short amount of time. Yeah. And so, like, even if I'm on Washington in Ogden, I'm like, oh man, traffic. Yeah, you know, but those who live down here are like, that's not traffic. Like down in Provo is traffic. You know, and so that is one thing that I did like about the valley, is really like there's no lights you really gotta stop at, and you're you don't have to really deal with that much.

SPEAKER_02

You know, did you know from Huntsville you can make it to the airport without hitting a single traffic light?

SPEAKER_00

That is crazy. I actually didn't like that. Wow.

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And then on the way back, you only hit one, which is nuts. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

That would make sense.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's super accessible and direct shot. So and like that's a like people that I've worked with are like, man, like being within an hour of a big airport that you can go internationally, like that's like and you still live somewhere as like peaceful and private as the valley, it's like this the secret that not a lot of people know about. So uh to me it's not a bad trade-off. But if if you're like, man, I just don't want to have to deal with Ogden Canyon or the divide, then just go to Mountain Green, because that's like and you just have Weaver Canyon and that's a lot easier traveled, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I mean, and I think if you're used to the city life and you like the city life, like I had a friend who moved to the valley from Draper, and like that was all she ever knew was traffic and waiting and lights and everything. And it almost like threw her for a loop because she didn't she was like stir crazy a little bit being in the valley because it was like there wasn't enough to do.

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Yeah.

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And so I guess it depends on what you're after. Because like for me, that's that's the ticket. Like I I love a slower pace.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_03

I don't love to be stuck in traffic. I don't need, you know, a Target or a Walmart or a Chick-fil-A within five minutes, you know.

SPEAKER_02

It's like if you can go get your stuff done once a week, you're set, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And but they ended up moving back down to Draper because they they missed that line. Wow. And so it's funny because I think it's just your priority. Like what makes it a good deal for you. And I think that the roadways are a very minimal um cost to pay. Like and the traveling is a minimal cost to pay for where we live.

SPEAKER_00

No, I agree. Yeah. Something I was gonna add too is I mean, now that we're just talking about stores, but it is nice to have even Little Valley Market right there in Ogden Valley where it's like, hey, we need cheese, or we gotta get a gallon. Like your basic drive five minutes and still get something, you know. So there's that as well. But something else I was gonna mention is if you ever hear people call the North Ogden divide the pass, that's what they're referring to. So if anyone doesn't know that, that is it because I'll call it the pass all the time. Oh, right. We took the pass, like that's what we did today. I always call it the divide, right?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's funny because as valley kids, like that's probably more common amongst us who have like grown up there. The pass. Um is calling it the pass. Really?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And like some people like it's trapper's loop, right? Some people call that trapper's pass, and I'm like, no, no, no. That's North Ogden divide, is the pass. I call it.

SPEAKER_02

I call I call it the divide, the canyon, and trappers.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

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That works.

SPEAKER_03

They offer us little seven, four, five local kids. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. It's uh it's the pass.

SPEAKER_00

What the one other thing I want to mention is the Ogden Marathon. That's super popular, you know. And so if you ever heard of the Ogden Marathon, I mean that is they run it right through the canyon. And that I will say Don't don't go anywhere that day. Yeah, don't don't drive that day. But also if you get a chance to run it, do it. Because I have always just driven that my whole life. And last year I ran it with my wife, and that is so gorgeous. That canyon is just incredible. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's a pretty cool opportunity. They shut it down, um, and it's it's beautiful, it's gently like sloped downhill, and uh, it's an awesome, awesome marathon.

SPEAKER_00

Right, because you're going from that Monte Cristo that we were talking about all the way down to the canyon and in Ogden, which is yeah, it's cool to see all that.

SPEAKER_02

Or if you did the half, you start at Eden Eden Park, and then they they just started another one that's just the Canyon Lake, which is like eight miles or something like that. That's right. Which is sweet. So what's that, like a 5k or something like that?

SPEAKER_04

Not sure. Something like that. I'm not a runner.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So lots of cool options if you're just wanting to get out and hit the pavement. So yeah. Anyways, um, anything else you guys want to cover? No. I think we got it. Yeah, I think so. Okay, cool. Well, thanks for watching, guys. Till next time.