The invisible mental load of moms and how to lighten it with Amy Briggs

What if the problem isn’t that you’re doing motherhood wrong — but that you’re carrying too much?

In this episode of Thrive Like a Mother, Ebony sits down with Amy Briggs, founder and CEO of Aviva, to talk about the invisible mental load of parenting and how intentional systems can create more space for joy, presence, and connection.

Amy shares how her work as a speech language pathologist, her lived experience as a mom, and what she witnessed in families during and after the pandemic led her to build a tool designed to relieve the constant scheduling pressure parents face.

This conversation covers:

• What the invisible mental load of motherhood really looks like
• Why moms often feel like they’re failing even when they’re doing so much
• How technology can support families without creating more overwhelm
• Why perfectionism keeps parents exhausted
• How creating more breathing room helps us become more present with our kids
• The connection between happier parents and happier children

If you’ve ever felt like the project manager of everyone’s life, this episode will make you feel seen.

🌿 Stay until the end for your Place to Land; a grounding reminder to carry into your week.

Connect with Amy:

Website: withaviva.com

Instagram: @with_aviva

LinkedIn: Amy Briggs

Follow and chat with me on Instagram:

Podcast account - @thrivelikeamother.podcast

Personal account - @thrive.empowered

Sending you light and love always!

Transcript

otherhood Guilt And The Mental Load

SPEAKER_01 0:00

The guilt of motherhood is real for all of us, myself included. Yes. Happier parents have happier kids.

eet Amy Briggs And Aviva

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hey love, I'm Ebony and welcome to Thrive Like a Mother, a podcast for women who are ready to slow down, nourish themselves, and build lives that feel anchored and intentional instead of rushed. If you're tired of surviving and ready to thrive physically, mentally, and spiritually, you're in the right place. Each week, I share ground-up conversations and practical rhythms to help you regulate your nervous system, strengthen your relationship with food and rest, and return to yourself. So love, take a breath. You don't have to do this alone. Let's thrive together. There's so many of us carrying that invisible load of parenting and of just keeping together a house while also keeping ourselves together. And sometimes we know technology, getting the text messages, the emails, and things, sometimes that can add to the stress. But today's guest that we have on today, Amy Briggs, she's gonna remind us that when we use it intentionally, it can actually be very powerful and lighten our load. So, Amy, I'm excited to have you on. Y'all, she is the founder and CEO of Aviva. It's an app built to help parents literally just relieve that constant scheduling pressure that we always face. So, Amy, I'm just honored to have you on and just hear more about how you how you came to this idea and just how it can help parents as they're listening in, help them with their lives.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Thank you so much for having me, Ebony. I'm really, really happy to be here.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yes, awesome. Okay, so I know, Amy, a lot of the parents that are listening, we can all relate to that constant feeling that I just talked about of just juggling all the things, all the tabs open, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Even myself, there's an endless to-do list. It just does not go away until unless I say I'm not gonna work on the things today. Yeah. But I know that you personally have worked with families for a number of years. What made you initially start just paying attention to that invisible mental load that we as parents and mothers just carry?

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Yeah. So I am a mom myself and definitely have built this whole product from my lived experience, first and foremost. So I, like you, have two daughters. And at the moment when my kids were just starting to be in more activities in preschool, they were in school for a portion of the day. I also made the shift. I'm a speech language pathologist by trade. I've always worked with families. I love working with kids. I love helping parents build capacity. It's something I've always devoted myself to personally and professionally. So my kids were in preschool. I was working for a public school district. I had always had the vision that one day I would shift into private practice, made that shift to align better with my family's rhythms and schedule. And it was at this really unique time when everyone was just coming out of the pandemic. So I was going into people's homes and really in kind of a raw, vulnerable moment for everyone, where parents had not only been managing the typical things that were all juggling, but had been managing so much more overflow with their kids home for long periods of time, lots of uncertainty, heavier emotional weight, um, kind of lagging needs, maybe that hadn't been addressed. And as I started servicing the children who I was working with and came into people's houses, many people were working remotely. So I would oftentimes in my sessions have mom, dad, grandma, nanny, sibling, everyone was home. And I really got to see this unfiltered view of the full family ecosystem in ways that were kind of more intimate than even what I saw with my close friends, because, you know, I think when you know your friends are coming over, you quickly like pull your house together and you make sure you're ready. This was different. I was really with people kind of holding and handling some of that overflow of juggling too much, feeling like we could never accomplish what we set out to do. I found myself so often when a parent opened the door to greet me, hearing them apologize. And I just felt like, no, you should not be apologizing. I look at you as a professional and you're doing an incredible job. You have me coming here. You want to help your child. You know, you're already doing so much. And on the flip side of that coin, I had so many parents and especially moms telling me they felt like they were failing in one way or another. Their house was a mess. There were toys everywhere, the snacks weren't correct. Maybe they forgot I was coming or forgot the appointment. There was just, it was so obvious to me that there was way too much to manage, no systems to hold at all, nothing in terms of like, you know, systemic supports in our country for this ever-increasing expectation on modern parents. There was no lifeboat coming to save us and just an increasing demand on what it should look like to quote unquote be a good parent. And I thought, I have to do something. There has to be something that I can do with what I know, with my background to help more parents. And absolutely, I love the clinical work that I've done. It's very meaningful. But the conversations that I was having, what I was seeing, and what I was experiencing in my own home, also scrambling to keep up with things, or sometimes missing things, or feeling like I was falling short, or wondering at the end of the day what I might have missed that I don't even know about yet.

unknown 6:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I just thought if I can clear the way of those things, then I can make room for what I know from my background in education is the big enchelada of parenting, which is joy and connection with our kids. And you can't have that, right? If you don't have time for yourself to fill your own cup. You can't have that if you don't have a system of support. You can't have that if you don't have time or bandwidth. If you're constantly juggling and that's all you're doing, then you don't, you can't be present. You miss those little moments by default. So that's kind of what lit the fire to set out to try to solve the problem.

rom Speech Therapy To Tech Founder

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yes, I love that. And we are so aligned because my whole podcast is about helping mothers break the wheel of survival, being stuck in that constant, oh, I've got to do this, I've got to do that, I've got to do that. Oh no, how did I miss miss that? How did I drop the ball? I think for a lot of parents too, like the first step is us feeling like, how can I make this easier? Right. For me, my main focus became meal prep. I struggled in that area and said, okay, if I'm struggling, there are totally other moms that are out there struggling and we're just maybe not talking about it in the way. Maybe we're feeling a bit of shame. So I love that perspective that you bring, bring that like parents are, you know, apologizing for maybe not showing up in the capacity they want to, but also not realizing that there are tools, there are resources out there that can help them show up in the way that they want. And like you said, bring more joy and connection so that they have that time to spend with their kids. Um, so let's talk about the leak because you you're you talked a bit about the shift from um doing the the clinical work and then shifting to now having this tech company, right? That's a that's a big that's a big move, especially when you've kind of just spent your career in something so human-centered just around speech therapy. So what what was that thing that made you say, I'm going to build it and I'm going to build it myself?

SPEAKER_01 8:40

This is a question that I get asked a lot. And I think a lot of people hear speech language pathologist, AI tech founder, and they're like, wait, wait a minute, you know, I I missed something. How did we get from point A to point B? To me, I've always done human-centered work and I'm still doing human-centered work.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

You know, my through line is building capacity for parents. And I do that in my clinical work, and I do that in the tech product that I'm building. So really for me, it's they're not different. They're just, it's like two different vehicles to get to the same destination. The vehicle of therapy is more like, you know, a bike or a car. Like I take one person along with me. Now I feel like we have like a jet that can pass where I'm going to go and I'll go. Like this is this is something that can scale, that I can put in everyone's hands, hopefully, and help so many more people than I could as a single clinician. So that was that's one piece of it. But I would come home in this moment that I was explaining earlier from my clinical work, and we would get our kids to bed, or we would clean up the kitchen, and we would finish up the work, whatever we needed to do to kind of get our house reset. And then my husband and I typically will spend some time together in the evenings, connecting, watching a show, something like that. And every single night when we were hitting the couch, I was talking to him about different ideas. Like, what could I do? How could I move the needle here? What might it look like? And after some ideation, I landed on what became of Eva.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

The first inkling of the idea. And I could not stop thinking about it. I was thinking about it when I woke up in the morning. I was journaling about it. Throughout the day, different ideas were coming to me. I just really became um, you know, overwhelmed with a feeling of this is it. I have to do this, I have to build this. And I took, I started talking about it with other parents that I knew and was um kind of the doorway was opened for the tech scene by two other speech pathologists who I knew who had very quickly scaled their business into multiple states and were really successful. And I started asking them, you know, how did you scale so quickly? What did it look like? How did you build out your like online platforms? How did you do this? And they told me about a local tech incubator in Chicago called 1871 and said, that's where we went. We learned everything we know there. And you should go too. It would be a great fit for what you're describing. Left the meeting, went home, applied, and that's where I really hit the ground running. So I joined a women tech founders cohort there that was all women in various stages of their tech journeys. I would say almost everyone in the group was much further along than I was. Many had products already launched, and I came with my idea and you know, my hope to build this. But I learned so much, both from the other women who were in the group, who, by the way, many of whom were moms and all of whom were building products to make the world a better place, which was just so affirming to see what people were doing. And then we also had incredible mentors and leadership and um, you know, coaches and just access to all the support that you would ideally want when you were trying to take an idea and build it into that first version of a product. From there, I'm not a coder, I'm not an engineer, I don't have that background. So there was a lot that I needed to learn to be able to create even a first version of this to test it out and see if this is something that people want. From the very beginning, the part that I knew I had and that I wanted to build everything on top of was understanding my customer. So I'm my own customer. I needed the tool I was envisioning.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

All of my friends are that, you know, a customer also. They needed this. All of my clients. So I really understood deeply who I was designing this for. And all along the way, I did a lot of interviewing and a lot of research and a lot of sitting with people and observing and just kind of diving deep into what does it currently look like for you to manage your family schedule, the whole job? How long does it take you? What does it feel like to do it? What does it feel like when it goes well? What does it feel like when it goes poorly? And then from there, what would a solution potentially look like? What would you think if I told you I could XYZ? Um, so I had that part, but what I didn't have was like, how do I turn this into a vehicle that is technology that I can hand to someone and use?

unknown 13:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

And 1871 definitely broke that down step by step. The place where I kind of kept getting stuck was they tell you don't spend any money, don't hire a developer, don't do anything until you build a minimally viable product, a little version of this that you can test. And I was like, how am I gonna do that? Right. So I started calling different mentors within that program's network who I had access to and asking everyone, who should I talk to that has strong communication skills? So I, as a lay person, can understand what they're gonna say, but who's very technical and can help me figure out a way to turn this idea into an MVP. And I spoke to three different mentors who were recommended. Each of them had a different kind of insight into the product. After those conversations, I had an idea for how to build it myself. I went back to my computer, designed it for my family, started using it. It worked.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

And I said, okay, I'm gonna walk off the edge of the clip. I'm gonna send this to 30 moms who I know, but I'm not close with. So they'll give me real feedback and get people in for two-week trials. And from that whole process, built out, you know, uh a system that replicated well, that was saving people an average of four hours a week, which I was like, yes, this is you do it, four extra hours. My gosh. And eventually then I decided, okay, this is I'd refined it enough myself. The signal is here. This is going to help so many people. It's helping me. I'm gonna build this. And that's when I hired a developer and went down the path to where we are today, launched and in the App Store and Play Store.

ech Should Serve Families Not Rule Them

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yes, I love that. And I love that you started off with just like, no, I'm still human-centered. I'm still human-centered. Um, I know a lot of my listeners still know I'm still in my corporate space, but in my corporate job, I am a content experience designer. So I'm in the user experience field. And for me, like that has always been top tier for me. Like, no matter what you're building, whether it be an app, an experience, a course, anything, you always have to think about the person that's gonna be using it, right? Is it truly going to help them? Right? Is it what is it what they need, right? Can they use it easily? Um, but I know a lot of parents that are listening to this, they might hear, okay, app or AI, and they're like, I don't need another thing to add to my list to manage, right? But we already said, hey, four hours. So what could you do with four extra hours a week? So I think that's already a huge selling point. And Amy, I feel like that's why your approach with Aviva just feels different because it's not about doing more. It's about, okay, what is on your plate and how can we start to take things off and shift them so that you can start to look at having more of that time in there? Can you talk about just how that intentional tech can create more space for connection for our listeners?

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Absolutely, I would love to. And I could talk about this all day. My philosophy about technology as a consumer of technology, as someone who has read and consumed all the research about how our children are consuming technology and what the downfalls of that are, all of those pieces, really is that I think technology should work in service of other people and of our greatest humanity. We should not be in service of our technology. We should not be in service of our phones, or it shouldn't be a dynamic where our attention is constantly being, you know, pulled more and more and more away from our real life interactions. Again, I'm a speech pathologist. I want people to talk to and look in each other's faces, you know? So obviously our phones have a role in our lives. It's not to say that they don't, but I try to really think for myself as a consumer, first and foremost, but also in my role as a founder, how to very strategically shape technology so that it's maximally useful, lowest friction, and so that it's really serving a specific need that people would love to hand off. So I very intentionally chose there are so many pieces of the mental workload, right? Like you named meal planning. That's a huge piece of the mental workload, especially for parents. I specifically chose family scheduling because I wanted to build a tool that could do the whole job of one piece of the mental workload fully.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

I wanted it to do everything I was gonna do myself as a parent for me. So it was totally off my plate. So there wasn't this like now I have one more thing to do. I have to learn this system and now I have to manage it and I have to put input here, and it's just one more job for me. Yeah. No, now the job is done. So that's part of the reason I didn't choose something like meal planning because as far as I know, at this point, technology cannot make us a full meal and do the whole logistics. But I bet one day soon, right, there probably will be some options for us. Um but uh you know, that's the way that I really thought about it is like, how can I design a system, which is why I chose to use AI that can actually do a job that parents don't enjoy doing, have to do, that doesn't build esteem. So there are things I think about parenting as like there are things that only I can do for my kids that no one else can do. I'm the one who's gonna comfort them when they're upset. I'm the one who's teaching them values, I'm the one who's helping shape their potential and helping them go and thrive, right? But someone else could surely find the doctor's appointment I forgot and get it on my calendar on the right date. Exactly. Or make sure that like the registration for the park district is set up so that I don't miss it and we can't get into any of the classes they want to do. Those aren't things that are specialized to a parent. And those are things that actually AI can do really, really well under the right kind of circumstances. So that's how we designed a Viva is really, I took all of my expertise from the thousands of hours of doing this for my own family and what I knew about executive functioning and how people think about time and what falls through the cracks regularly for other parents and why, and tried first and foremost just take the time piece away from people. So you're not having to spend hours of your week finding all these dates in your calendar, in your email and getting them all on your calendar, but also to tackle this, you know, kind of harder to describe but really present piece of scheduling, which is what it feels like to be the tent post of managing all of the important dates and activities and reminders and events for the whole family, which disproportionately falls on mom's. You know, so kind of tackling both sides of it, the work that is more visible of getting it on the calendar, but also the invisible part of what it feels like to worry that you didn't see a birthday party invitation or you're missing something in your child's classroom, or you got a time wrong, or something needs to be rescheduled. Any one of those things alone might not be a big deal. But I think after talking to so many parents, what became so obvious to me, and you know, it makes sense. Like every mother that I know wants to be good at being a mother. We want to be successful. No one wants to drop the ball when it comes to our kids. Yeah. And I think it's so easy for things like, you know, the bake sale, the mystery reader, the crazy sock day. Like these are overflow on an already too full plate. It's so easy for them to fall by the wayside. And I think we all feel disproportionately bad when they do because we don't want to discipline our kids because we love them, you know? So, yes, the system is really designed, thank you for saying, in a different way than I think a lot of other tech that's positioned and marketed toward parents is. It's really meant to feel like if you could hand off scheduling to another mom and just have it done for you, like your wish list, just done. That this is what's built into the technology. This is how we've trained the AI within the tool to. Work.

etting Go Of Perfectionism

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Yes, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Amy, I know just throughout this conversation and just looking at Aviva, we talk we talk a lot about um letting go of that perfection a bit, right? Because yes, we want to be the best moms. Um, but sometimes we do drop the ball, right? We want to also be able to just focus on like what truly truly matters. And it's not, it's not the crazy sock day. It's funny because I am in that this week.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

We are too.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

But for so many of us, like that pressure, right, to do everything right is what is keeping us exhausted. What is something that's helped you make that mindset shift just personally? Like even just this week, as we're crazy sock day, red and green did all the things, right? Um, what's helping you make that mindset shift that it doesn't have to be perfect?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

This is a great question. And I will start by saying I am still a work in progress here. I'm a recovering perfectionist, Ebony. And I think, you know, I try to frame things for myself in the way that I would most generously frame them for other families, which is there's a part of perfectionism that's really useful, that's really helpful, that gets jobs done and that does hold to a high standard and makes quality work happen and all of that. And then there's a portion of it that's really not useful. So I think first and foremost, just starting to recognize in myself like, where is my perfectionism energy that I don't need to be spending in that avenue that I could redirect somewhere else? And just giving myself the choice of maybe I really like to direct some of my perfectionism into my professional work. And maybe it's not as useful, you know, in my parenting. Maybe my energy would be much more useful to make the time that I'm home with my kids more fun, or make space for myself to just like, even if it's for a few minutes while I'm just in between tasks, sit and breathe or get a glass of water or something like that, instead of doing one more thing. The one more thing probably isn't gonna make me feel better at the end of the day. And the little pause probably is. I like I said, I have still have my moments, um, recovered perfectionism over perfectionist over here, but I really try um, and I think one of the things I try to teach my kids um that someone taught me a long time ago, and I can't remember who it was. One of the educators I worked with was always saying, How would you talk to a friend or you know, someone you know about the situation you're in? What advice would you give? And it makes it so much easier to say, Oh, yeah, I get that crazy.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

We're so much nicer to our friends.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

We're so much nicer. We give them so much more permission, so much, so much more generosity sometimes. So that's one thing. But I'll say, like, in a personal experience arena, yes, we are also in winter theme week. As we're talking, it's one of it for us, it's the last week of school and session before we have winter break. We all know what that means as parents. There is way, way, way, way, way too much going on, too many balls to juggle in every department of our lives, from work to our kids and everything in between. In my household this week, Aviva has scheduled all of those theme days for me. I didn't have to open the email. They just all immediately went on my calendar. So I the emails came in from the district. I did not open them, the information that I needed from them. There was a field trip this week, there's a holiday party, I'm a room mom. There were things I need. There was, you know, the crazy theme day every day. Uh-huh. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but I was able to have the relief of knowing, okay, I don't need to dig through my email. That's all in my calendar already, which then gives me a choice over do we want to participate today? Was Cozy Sweater Day? And I just asked my daughter, you know what? Hey, it's cozy sweater day. I know that it is because the app has served this up to me. And by the way, we don't just put it in the app for users, we put it on your calendar. So even if you don't open the app, it's on your Google Calendar. So wherever you're looking, or it's on your Skylight. Again, low friction. My goal is not to have you looking at your phone. My goal for me and for anyone who uses Aviva is that they can have their phone, their computer, their digital life parked on the counter. So for the 10 minutes that they're home with their kids in the morning and they're not looking for a missing sock or the snow pants or whatever it is, yeah. And actually just connect for a minute and take a beat and feel like we're starting the day on a positive note. So it gave me the choice to be like, do we want to wear a crazy sweater? Do you want to just wear a regular sweatshirt? You know? Yeah. You chose a regular sweatshirt and that's fine. Yeah. But at least we knew what was happening. It wasn't missed. Exactly. You're not gonna come back. Did mom forgetting something today? Yes, she's not gonna come home today and be like, everyone else had a crazy sweater but me, mom.

unknown 27:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Everyone else signed the field trip permission slip but me, and I don't have it. All that stuff is taken care of. It's visible, it's named. Space is held for it on my calendar, so it's not falling through the cracks. And then the ones that are really important, again, kind of with that executive functioning lens that we know people forget about, yeah. We send reminders for automatically. So if it's gonna be yeah, last week we had an early dismissal day, which is like not what anyone needs to second.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

We always forget. Is that today?

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Right. So a week ahead of time, I had the reminder in my app, it's gonna be early dismissal. Do you need to make child care changes? Do you need to change your work schedule?

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Meetings, all the things.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Yeah. The I think that's another piece too that so often goes unnamed. Like, how much anticipation are we all doing every single day in our lives just to ship run on the water? You know? So having something else that does even a little bit of anticipation of need is just a relief. Yeah, it just clears space and bandwidth. And I think whatever the tools are, whether it's this for a combination of tools or other things, having some kind of a system to clear the way for a little more bandwidth for choice, for something you might want to do, for more intentionality. I think you even need to have time to let go of something like perfectionism. Like you can't get on that hamster wheel if you don't have time to notice that you're doing it.

imple Ways To Feel Lighter

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Exactly. You just stay stuck. If you there's no awareness. So besides downloading Aviva, um, is there one message that you can leave with our parents listening that will help them just feel lighter this week and in this season?

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Oh gosh, there are so many things I would say. I'll start by saying I'm a champion of parents. I think that parents are doing an incredible job. Parents in our generation are thinking about themselves and their own parenting, probably more than any generation before us, which is really hard involved work. And at the end of the day, if every single parent listening could zoom out and see yourself again with like the most generous light, I think you would realize that everything that you're already doing is so much. You're already giving yourself and your children and your family so many gifts. Whether things work out perfectly according to your plan, and you have like a Pinterest level holiday and everything gets done or not. The biggest deal of parenthood is just having those moments of connection. And really, I always think about and come back to, you know, because the guilt of motherhood is real for all of us, myself included. Yes. Happier parents have happier kids. So one of the best gifts you can give yourself and your family, especially at this end of December moment. I don't know when this is gonna air, but it's such a crazy time right now.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Is if there are 10 minutes in your day you can that you can carve out, if there's some tool or system you can put in place so you get a little bit more breathing room, do something for yourself, anything to make yourself feel resourced so that you can have more connection, more happiness, and more joy. That's it. It's so simple, but it's so hard to do. But you can do it.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yes, exactly. I mean, just thank you for sharing not only your story, being vulnerable, but real vulnerable vulnerable goodness with us and sharing even just a little piece of your life and just how you know you're navigating things and how Aviva is working for you. I think it's huge that people know that, like, hey, I didn't just build this app, but this this works for me and my family too. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

My developer is also a dad. Everyone who works on Aviva is a parent. Well, that's so beautiful. He, when we were first developing together, was deep into my email because we used my email and my family as like a prototype for everything else. And at one point he said to me, Amy, I've never seen anything like this. I don't know how you get so much volume in your email. Like, what is happening over there? And I said, Ryan, I didn't build this tool because I don't need it. Like I need it immediately. Now you see why. Like I was when we beta tested, I was still the heaviest user because I had so much coming into my inbox, you know? Yeah. So yes, it is. I am not sitting here from a lens of like, I have it figured out, and now you can too. No, we all need a life raft, and hopefully more parents will build more life rafts for each other. I think no one solves a problem like a mom with no time to waste.

here To Find Aviva And Closing

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Yeah, that's so true. Goodness. So if you want to learn more about Amy or the work that she's doing with Aviva, definitely check out Amy. Let them know what Aviva's website is, and then also just the Instagram link. And I'll make sure to put that in the show notes too.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Sure. So our website is withaviva.com. We would love to have you check it out and learn more. I love connecting with other parents. If you can't tell, I'm a huge, huge fan of other parents and moms and would love to connect with anyone listening. Our Instagram is at with underscoreaviva. And you can also find me, Amy Briggs, on LinkedIn. And looking forward to connecting with you there.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Perfect. All right. So to every single mama, dad, whoever's listening, or you know a parent, I hope today's episode just really gave you permission or gave you the reminder to let other parents know to slow down, delegate, and give yourself grace. You are doing enough and you are enough. Until next time, guys. Thank you so much for listening, love. If anything in today's episode resonated with you, share it with your bestie or share it on social media and tag me so we can chat about it. As always, sending you light and love, and remember, you are worthy, you are enough, and you deserve to thrive.