Shawn Coss + Good Terms

Welcome to The Not So Late Show Episode- Seven featuring special guest Shawn Coss the multitalented artist and co-owner of Any Means Necessary Clothing + we will hear the newest track Old Friend from Good Terms!

Keep up with all things Shawn Coss:
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The Not So Late Theme Composed By:
Mikael Carnevali

All Songs Performed by:
The Not So Late Band Featuring:
Juan Ignacio Varela Espinoza - Sax, some Keys and some Guitars
Tomas Torres - Guitar
Edú Gabriel - Bass
Manu Figue - Drums
Fran Donadio - Keys


Blue Last/ Prueba Hammon/Juani Gruv - Composed by Juan Ignacio Varela Espinoza

Hosted by Crypto Kyle:
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Second Banana/ John Byrnes
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Band Leader:
Juan Ignacio Varela Espinoza

Head of Animation/Set Designer/ Tailor
Nick Zimmer
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Writing Team:
Jarrod G. , John Byrnes, Crypto Kyle

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Transcript

[00:00:00] 

John Byrnes: Good evening and welcome to the not so late show

We've got an amazing show in store for you tonight with special guest Shawn Coss.

Tonight's show also features a guest performance from Good Terms

with their new single, Old Friend.

But first, hold onto your britches. [00:01:00] 

Please welcome your host, Crypto Kyle!!!!

Kyle: Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Not So Late show. The best part of your week. Well, at least your Thursday evening or early Friday morning, depending on when you're listening to this. But welcome back. We appreciate your patronage and uh, yeah, it's good to see some familiar faces in the live show. And of course, uh, thank you for tuning in or subscribing and listening to whatever platform fitz, your fancy. How you feeling, John? 

John Byrnes: I'm doing good. Excited to be here. Feeling, the The hype today. Got the tournament going on. I'm coming off a really hot Oscar's weekend, as you know, got all about one of my picks. Right. I'm feeling great. Yeah. Yeah. How are you doing? Doing .

Kyle: Good, man. Yeah, it was a good weekend. 

You know, John and I, we had a, we had our own [00:02:00] Oscar party and it was a blast. And I gotta say, John, your picks from last week were spot on. 

John Byrnes: Yeah. They got me. They got me with the best adapted screenplay. That was a surprise. That was a surprise. Fine movie, women talking. Really cool. But you know, my hunch on Western Front was dead on I didn't  call craft awards on here because, we didn't wanna make it a 45 minute segment.

But you know, best costume, best, all that stuff. They cleaned up with so many Oscars in the craft categories. It was a huge night for everything everywhere, all at once as predicted, but all quiet on the Western front and Netflix foreign German movie did really great. So check that out what was your favorite takeaways from the Oscars? What? What did you like? 

Kyle: Oh man, Obviously we were psyched to see Fraser win. Absolutely. 

John Byrnes: And everyone said his name right. Did you notice that he's finally getting the, he's finally getting the respect he deserves , 

Kyle: the respect and the recognition he deserves. 

Yeah, and I gotta say [00:03:00] Jimmy's joke about the Encino man cast who of the Encino man cast Sal, wherever they're at now. But Polly Shore, I guess he was commenting on that throughout the week. , but more focused on his, where's his Oscar? Yeah. But he's more so focusing on on his buddie's success.

But no, it was good man, and it was fun just to hang out and, Eat junk food and watch this thing together and see our guy Key . Yeah. Yeah. But see our guy, key win. That was like my whole body just froze until they, they said the name as soon as she read the name, and she of had a little choke up moment, and now it's like, oh man. 

John Byrnes: Because it's just such a story. Storybook win for him, you know? I mean, what an incredible dream out of a nightmare scenario. So kudos and a crazy performance. I know you enjoyed the movie. He was so fantastic. He's a great movie. He made me cry at the Oscars once.

He made me cry during everything everywhere. All once, probably twice I would say. So, you know, me and Kyle, 

Kyle: I think so, I think twice for me. Also

John Byrnes: crying, holding each other. Tissues everywhere. It was, it was a mess. What did he say? Like, why is everybody fighting or [00:04:00] something like that? 

so good. That's such a good movie.

You guys haven't seen that. You gotta watch that. Gotta check it out. But yeah and seeing him reunite with Harrison, I would love to talk to Harrison and see how he felt about about key jumping in his arms. Just a flashback, Steven Spielberg applauding along, seeing these two reunited almost in the exact same.

from Temple Temples, yeah. Of the deal. Cool. That was it was just a bizarre and rewarding experience for those of us who love film definitely. Cool. Absolutely. Yeah. Speaking about, stars and Hollywood, Ryan Reynolds has been trending with his cell phone company Mint, which he was so proud of now being bought by t.

amazing. He's really been all over the place with that company, promoting it and, pushing their $12 a month or was $15 a month phones, which is very interesting, I think. But yeah, $1.35 billion is the number they're talking, wow. Yeah and, and I was digging into it because [00:05:00] one thing that I got nervous about for the company, because.

He's so attached to the brand was, maybe Ryan's moving on, maybe he's not gonna be around anymore. And that is not the case. So Ryan Reynolds is still sticking with all of the Mint fans. He's gonna be the spokesperson or the, the human mascot for the brand. And when I saw that though, I was shocked because, that's a big commitment for something you don't own anymore.

But that's where they got that top dollar from. And when I started looking at the, the cost. Of Deadpool three. I put a couple things together and it turns out that Ryan Reynolds really just needed the extra cash to bring Hugh Jackman back, as Wolverine for Deadpool three. So you don't say yeah, so kudos to Ryan.

I know he loved mints, but that's worthwhile sacrifice. The fact that he's the poster boy for this company for the next three years. Incredible. Just so Hugh Jackman would finally be Wolverine in his movie is is amazing. Is an incredible feat. Thank you Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, of course. We got the banking crisis.

Silicon Valley Bank, people are always talking about how crypto is unsafe, and yet three [00:06:00] FinTech bros in a group. Trolling on Twitter while swiping left and right on Tinder, almost collapsed the banking system. Yeah, man. I'm not sure these days, you got crypto, you got banking. think I'm done with all of it.

Recently I moved 90% of my 

Shawn Coss: net worth into pogs. . 

John Byrnes: That's definitely a good investment, buddy. Thank you. I, it's funny, pox keeps coming up lately. All I remember is slammers and, like laminates and, like hard. Hard material and the paper, cardboard ones we're really confusing.

The the young audience, nobody has a podcast. , they're basically like poker chips that you, yeah, nevermind. It's not worth it. . It is worth it. It's worth something. 

Shawn Coss: Come on. Cuz 90% of my not worth it. It's true not, 

John Byrnes: but I'm not even worried. People talk about gold and. But I got a 93 4 Bronco step to the gills with Beanie Babies.

Wow. So I'm set for the life baby. What color is that thing? It's it's the duo tone. I got the white and the baby blue. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. It was the first it was the first option for generational wealth for [00:07:00] people our age. Yeah. It was an incredible opportunity and I'm glad to hear that you've capitalized.

Yeah, I'm not, you know what I'm just keeping 'em there and I'm gonna check the prices on 'em, maybe like another 15, 20 years. See what that gets me. There we go. Just in time. Of course we saw a man has sued Buffalo Wild Wings the entire chain, not just one location. Wow. After claiming boneless wings are not wings, and in fact they're just glorified sauced up chicken nuggets.

Now I can understand feeling dup, John. I get it. Thinking you're consuming something and you're actually consuming something different than what you intended to. Wow. But who does this guy think he is? It's Buffalo Wild Wings. I pray to God he didn't think he was. Wild Buffalo wings this entire time. . Just wait 

Shawn Coss: until this guy hears about mc plant nuggets from 

John Byrnes: last week.

He's gonna lose his mind. . It's absolutely crazy. Now man has been caught for robbing a bank for one. Dollar. Mr. Donalds pulled off a bizarre bank robbery in [00:08:00] Utah where he handed a note over to the teller and they complied giving him the dollar, then waited for the police to arrive and arrest him.

Literally told him, I just committed robbery. Call the police. And I guess the police took a while to get there. Wow. Which thankfully this wasn't a, a dangerous situation. If he would've had a gun, there probably would've been some casualties. But he did wait for police to get there.

And of course they arrested him, but, rent's getting high. We need to rob a bank just to get room and board . 

Shawn Coss: Ain't that the. 

John Byrnes: It's the truth man. I can see the prison commercials now. Rent prices and utility prices. Keeping you down while also going through the roof. prison's got all the essentials.

Free cable, free food free gym membership and community center and group networking activities. Wow. Learn how you can be top dog. That actually sends enticing, to be honest. My, my rent just keeps going up. And 

Shawn Coss: free gym membership. Not 

John Byrnes: bad. Perks. John, you remember when we were kids and we would hear [00:09:00] horror stories of our friends or parents getting caught smoke?

No, man. Have them smoke the whole pack until they throw up. Yeah. I remember this friends, right? Not me. Yeah. Friends. Yeah. I would hear like my grandparent or like my grandparents tell me stories and aunts and uncles. But it's 2023 now, baby. Things have changed. This gentleman found his son playing video games at 1:00 AM.

Made him play continuously for 17 hours. Sounds amazing actually. I wonder what game he was playing. Something good I hope. Hopefully not a hovercraft or mine suite , he stuck playing job simulator on VR for 17 hours. That might suck. You mean all I gotta do to play video games for an entire day is get caught playing video games in the middle of the night.

That's, it's 

Brian: pretty good. Sounds 

Shawn Coss: like 

John Byrnes: a winning recipe to me. Sounds like something I deserve already. You should have seen me last night playing fishing simulator at 1230. All right. And of course, the hottest story this week, Berlin coming in strong for equality, allowing patrons of [00:10:00] all sexes hitting up their local swimming clubs in Berlin to wear whatever they want, wow or don't want on their upper torso.

So now women in non-binary individuals can join their male peers wearing nothing but sunscreen on their upper body as part of a movement, loosely translated as free body culture. I like this. The head of the. Yeah, it's not bad. The head of the ABUS men, I don't know if I'm saying that right. Office , Dr.

Doris Lester called it a step forward for gender equality saying the abus men very much welcomes the decision of the bathing establishments because it creates equal rights for all berliners, whether male, female, or non-binary. And because it also creates legal certainty. For the staff in the bathing establishments.

While this has been a divisive topic across most of the world, the general consensus in Berlin and surrounding areas have praised the change while teenage boys, their fathers and grandfathers have had one thing on their mind during this entire process. BOOBIES yeah. I [00:11:00] mean, when, um, you know, is, are flights to Berlin on sale right now?

Maybe. Have you thought about doing a road tour? Maybe we could do the show from Berlin. Know what? I'd never been to Germany. I've never been to Germany.

Allow me to introduce you to Sean Koss, the Mastermind behind some of the most amazing illustrations you'll ever see. 

Juan: Are you guys ready? Okay, let's go. 1, 2, 3.

Kyle: Welcome to the show, man. So happy to have you here as we get started and as we introduce you to our audience, for those of us who aren't as familiar with who you are and what you're doing, could you tell us just a little bit about your background and how you found that creative vein?

Shawn Coss: Yeah. My name's Sean Kos [00:12:00] based out of Ohio "Doxin" and myself. I know the crypto world, like you're not supposed to tell people where you are, but been doing artwork for my whole life since five or six years old, drawing on walls and stuff like that, drawing dinosaurs.

Just been a thing that's just been in me my whole life. My dad was an artist military and he used to draw, like Beetle, Bailey sketches all the time, wildlife animals. And I was like, oh, I wonder if I could draw. I'd try and draw stuff that he was doing that looked like garbage, obviously, at that age.

But it was always something I just had a passion for. It was never like a, oh, I'm gonna make a career outta this. It was just, I just wanna do artwork. It was, I always tell people, It's like a hunger. So like when you're hungry, you need to eat. And so when I need to, when I am creating, if I'm not creating, I'm like I'm getting that urge.

Like I need to create something. I need to feed myself, feed that creativity. And so that's always been the driving force behind it. Never really took it serious in terms of any type of financial, situation. High school. I skip class all the time just to go to art class. My art teacher always vouched for me so I could just hang out with her and do artwork all the time.

I was in music for a while. I was [00:13:00] a lead singer for a couple metal bands opened up for, couple bands like Dope and Mushroom Head over the years. Wanted to be a rockstar. I could scream really well, but I couldn't sing to save my life. And so I was like there's no career in that, so I'm gonna back out.

In Ohio there isn't really a push for creativity. It's, you go to school, you go to college, or you go work at a factory. , you get married, have kids, you die. That's pretty much the Ohio way of life. So the idea of being an artist and making a living just didn't make any sense.

And in 2008, 2007, I think back when MySpace was still around, dating myself, Chris Wilson of Cyanide & Happiness actually reached out to me who was also a fan of that kind of darker art style and I was a huge fan of the Cyanide & Happiness web comic. And we just kinda s tarted a friendship over there, which he eventually hired me into the cartoon, and it opened up this whole new world to me.

 I was doing Comic-Con and traveling the world. I was like, oh my God there's actual, there's a career in art.[00:14:00] Just, you have to find that niche and at the same time, I was in nursing school, became a nurse I was a nurse for 11 years. I retired two years ago. Retired, quit, whatever you wanna call it.

but I had to get out cause it really wasn't my passion. But, around the same time I joined Cyanide & Happiness, I met, this guy named Michael Nemitz at a rock concert. I had my first ever art show and he needed album, artwork for his upcoming hip hop album. And I blew 'em off because I wasn't in the hip hop.

I was a metalhead. Back then you stayed in your genre, you didn't mix it and mingle and. . He just was persistent and kept at me. Eventually I did his album art work and I think I charged him like a hundred bucks for this full album layout. And he goes, here's your a hundred bucks.

And he goes, you're doing this wrong, man. You can make so much more money doing this. And so he became almost the manager to me, helping me push myself to create, He reached out to me about wanting to start clothing brands, and I had like really no desire to do it because I had tried before and in all the bands that I was in, I always had to front all the money for [00:15:00] everything and I never got that money back.

 He goes, this is gonna be different. This is gonna be different. Let's just make cool shit that we get to wear. I think 2012, maybe 2011. We did our first run on t-shirts. It was 200, bucks. And he goes, I need you to pay for it. I'm like, okay, I'll pay for this 200 bucks.

Kyle: Here we go again. 

Shawn Coss: Yep. Here it is same thing we did an art show at a tattoo place, sold outta the shirts within a half hour he walked over to, gave me 200 bucks and goes, here you go. And it's the first time I've never been paid back by anyone. And we just became very close friends of, you know, our love for art.

he got me turned onto hip hop underground hop hop and like mma, like we're both big into UFC MMA and stuff like that. And, grew the this clothing brand off of $200 in his basement, into a multimillion dollar company, so many years later. we went from a 150 square foot basement to a 400 square foot office space to a 3000 square foot studio Tomorrow we're actually checking out a 40,000 square foot abandoned high school to potentially purchase .

Kyle: No way. 

Shawn Coss: Yeah. Yeah. 

Kyle: So that's killer. 

Shawn Coss: [00:16:00] With the brand, we took a lot of my, artwork based on mental health, and wanted to sort of brand based on being open about our struggles.

I did a whole series in 2016 based on mental. That blew up, it went viral, bored, Panda, Reddit, Buzzfeed, Washington, post every, like, all these places. Started covering it and just threw me out there, into everyone's face, good or bad, I just became like this, voice for, mental illness, but like from a darker aspect I have a book that came out years ago that keeps being sold therapists use it around the world. There's a college in Germany that uses my artwork in textbooks. it's been super wild and now I'm like, I've been dabbling in crypto the last two years, . So I'm like finding a whole new obsession to get into. 

Kyle: It's good when an artist knows who they are and they can talk about themselves. It's not always the fun thing to do. 

Shawn Coss: Oh, I don't like it, I hate it. 

Kyle: But how do you introduce yourself to somebody if you don't know who you are? 

Shawn Coss: Typically I tell people, Hey, I'm Sean, and then they go, oh, what do you do? I'm like I just do [00:17:00] art. And I, that's all I tell 'em. I don't, I rarely tell people what I do. I live in a development. We bought a house like five years ago, almost everyone there doesn't know what I do for a living.

It's always a weird conversation like, oh, what do you do? I'm like, I own a Clothing Brand. Oh, can you print me shirts? I'm like, no, we're not that type of clothing brand . Then with crypto, you wanna talk about speaking foreign languages to people Oof. Turn of Oh yeah.

Kyle: They don't get it at all.

Shawn Coss: Oh my God. It's, it's wild, 

 Trying to have any conversation with people about crypto and they're just like, oh yeah, Ponzi scheme. No, not Ponzi skiing,

Kyle: not all of them anyways. 

Shawn Coss: Yeah, not all of them. , maybe 50 50 I don't know but there used to be a pretty big underground hip hop scene in like Cincinnati 

Columbus had like, uh, Kau, um, yeah. And a bunch. So like Mikey, my business partner, him and his brother grew up in that Minnesota underground hip hop scene. ASOP, rock, uh Doomtree and all of them. hiphop that you saw on mtv at the time it was like all the gangster rap, and I, hated [00:18:00] that stuff with a passion back then. But now, I'll be listening to Dr. Dre, going down this in my neighborhood, or, they turned me onto a lot of this like underground, like hip hop.

Kyle: I'm like, Hey, this is like hip hop that has like meaning to it and good lyrics and stuff like that. And like Sage Francis a buddy of mine, his name's Sadistic. He's outta la He. A good friend of mine, he, um, he used to be good friends with idea which I don't know if you heard of him before.

But he does like a very dark style of like poetry and rap. I don't even really call him a hip hop artist, even though he raps because he just a whole different style of music. 

I'll have to check that out. I, I'm a, yeah, I'm a big fan of like intelligent hip hop. 

Shawn Coss: I think you'd love it then. 

Kyle: I talk about this a lot the only two types of music that you can really tell, like an actual story, scene one, scene two is country music and hip hop.

Shawn Coss: I'm not a fan of the Deer Hunter, but they had that color Spectrum album, I think total whole story.

But every, cover of the album had a different genre feel to Obviously I gravitated towards the, Black album cause it was more industrial [00:19:00] sounding. Yeah. Cause like I was big into like skinny puppy growing up. Marilyn Manson, corn cold chamber, all that stuff. Yeah. I was, very agro, in Ohio it's like we're just miserable people.

But I'm really big into spirit box right now!

Kyle: I love Spirit Box. That's one of my favorite bands. 

Shawn Coss: Oh my God. Have you heard Sun Killer yet? Yeah, dude. Yeah, 

Kyle: I just saw them live in New Jersey. 

Shawn Coss: Her, her scream is just, it's so good. I know there's other female screamers, but oh yeah. I feel like, I feel her scream like arch enemies, like hers just like, I can just scream, but there's like no emotion to it. Like, uh, her lyrics,

Kyle: she's got a beautiful voice too, which, which is crazy. 

Shawn Coss: But her lyrics are also really good. Like she's very poetic too. Right? Yep. I've, I've realized like I, I used to be a disturbed. and then I started reading their lyrics. I'm like, these make no sense at all. Like he's just putting, I call hot topic words like, yeah, the use, like sacrifice and unforgiven, like all these like dark, edgy words together.

And , you're like, I so relate to that song. I'm like, what part? [00:20:00] Like none of it makes any sense. . 

Kyle: There's this band sleep token. 

Oh, I haven't heard 'em yet, but I kept seeing it all over Twitter. Yeah, 

they're like blowing up right now. My buddy texts me cause he knows I like, odd genre bending stuff.

Okay. I listen to pretty much anything and he's like, I think you'd like these guys. They're like extremely heavy, but also like funk rock in future. Really? I'm like, what? I'm gonna check this out. Like Yeah. I'll send you the one song that I think is the best song for the first experience. 

Shawn Coss: Okay.

Kyle: They've been around for a little while. They have the darker approach to the visuals. They're very like theatrical. but it's interesting. I think you would like it .

Shawn Coss: Funny is I heard Sleep token. I thought straight to crypto when I saw it. Like trending on Twitter. Yeah. I'm like, okay.

What token that just a name Right. When 

I said it, I, I, that's why 

I felt, I think it is sleep token. Cause I saw all over Twitter for a while. . 

Shawn Coss: Asking somebody what inspires them is a really hard question to answer. 

Well, it's not that question. It's, where do you get your inspiration from? It's the question that we have trouble with now. What inspires me, I think it's a good question actually. so first lemme clear up the where do you get inspiration from?[00:21:00] 

And for anyone who watches this, like it's the worst thing that ask an artist or any type of creative. because we don't get it anywhere else that anyone else doesn it, it all comes from here. So like there's creative people and there's people who struggle with creativity, but there's no magic to it.

there's a reason why, Maynard from tool is Maynard from Tool, and I'm not, he's at a creativity level that sure I can't touch, but what inspires is, conversation my kids, are very inspirational to me. I have two daughters, horror movies, books, video games.

Like I, I get inspired by just some of the most random things. a lot of times it will be music. Like I might just be driving down the street and I'll have YouTube music playing random stuff, and I'll hear a line I'm. , I like that line, but then I don't wanna use the exact line, but I wanna like, how can I work with that?

 There was, uh, are you familiar with acid bath at all? Okay. So like Dax Riggs, he had a song talking about like slow dance around the grave [00:22:00] and automatically started seeing like the grim reaper dancing with a woman dying. And like I created this piece space around it, but it's not something you can turn on.

And I try to tell a lot the aspiring artists, I'm like, you can't force yourself to be creative. It's like you just have to be open to, you have to be like a, almost like a CV radio, which is a lot of people are too young to know that or what that is, but like having that, radio signal open and just letting everything come in, not everything is gonna be a hitter, you know, it's gonna be. I have a little bit of an idea, like I have this, I use Pinterest a lot for, uh, inspiration and I saw this piece, it's I think a Russian, not Russian, Polish, sculptor. And it's a, guy in a business suit hanging from his teeth on a rope going about. And I was like, oh, that's cool concept and so I was. , I wanna create something kind of based off of this. It's a piece I'm actually working on now, but, it's a big thing about holding onto your dreams. so I have this character of mine where this thing's kind of pulling from his head, almost like a noose coming from his, brain.

And he is holding on for dear life while all these other people are falling. And it's just a, you know, never stop [00:23:00] hanging onto your dreams or something like that. I have to work on the wording still. Oh, that's so, but it could just be. That, or even conversation, like having a conversation with someone, they might say a phrase.

I'm just like, I like that and I'll write it down real quick. I have a notebook on my phone where I just, I have just l tons of like quotes and idioms and, random things that happen. I'm like, okay, let me write that down. And I'll usually put like a little concept next to it so I don't forget why I wrote it.

Kyle: Came across your artwork is actually our animator is a fan of yours. He's been following you for years.

Shawn Coss: Oh, wow. 

Kyle: . And so he started talking and he's like that'd be a cool guy to have on. I was like, yeah, you're right. 

Shawn Coss: We'll see. That's debatable . We'll see how this goes. You might be like, I'm not gonna air this. This is fine.

 What advice would you give up and coming artists and by up and coming, I mean, people that are at that point that where they're deciding to take their art seriously and put things out there.

 It's hard because there's a lot of hard work involved luck, luck's a weird one. Like you're not lucky that you, I'd [00:24:00] say chance. There was a, that chance encounter that I met Chris. that opened my eyes to that. There was that chance encounter that I met Mikey. I'd already been working on my progress.

I think a lot, I try to tell a lot of artists now is that there's no rush. Like I got 16 year olds, 18 year olds going, I just wanna be famous. I wanna be a famous artist. I'm like, what's fame? Is fame a hundred, like a hundred followers, a thousand followers, millions of followers?

are you more worried about that as opposed to what the artwork I tell them like, there's no deadline. I try to let people know, you need to embrace that journey of getting. Sure. They're like, oh, I wanna get to where you are. I'm like, I'm not where I want to be yet.

I want to keep going, but I never got, I always saw, I never get into artwork for money, And a lot of these artists, I wanna make a living off of this. I'm like, go work at Pixar or go work at a graphic design shop. Guaranteed to make money. There may not be great, but you're guaranteed.

But if you're trying to go, I wanna be a gallery artist, or I wanna, do what I'm doing, it's a lot of hard work work a lot of hours, trying to balance, work and life and family. And I tell people all the time, I work more now than I ever did at any other nine to five job I [00:25:00] ever did.

A lot of people aren't built for that they're, they don't want to work long hours or, I'm like, how many times do you draw a day? I'm like, oh, maybe once every two weeks. I'm like, that's a hobby. You're not gonna, you're not gonna pursue that. , I do this if I don't, I'm gonna die.

 I have to keep drawing. Otherwise I feel like, I'm gonna get too hungry. I'm gonna starve out. so, if you really, really, really want it, there's still a chance that you'll fail . that's the reality. I always equated to the nfl kids who join, football real young.

They're like, oh, I wanna be in the nfl. I wanna be a professional football player. Then they get through high school. Not all will make it to. Half of them maybe make it to college. what percent makes it to the NFL from there? You know what I mean? So it's like you can want it all you want, but it's such, such a hard thing to get to.

And again, it goes back to what is success? What is fame to you? Is it you sell a couple pictures a month? Is that success? Cool, you're successful? mine has always been, I wanna be able to provide for my family. I'm gonna be my own boss. I don't want to answer to anyone, and I just wanna create what I wanna create, and [00:26:00] I've achieved that.

so now it's just how do I sustain that and not let go of it. so that's my, I guess everything I say is long-winded. , but I'm very hard on artists coming up cause I'm like, it's not easy. It's not an easy gig. Yeah. And there's some people who are just naturally gifted, but I know some artists that are phenomenal, like amazing and they can't make ends meet whatsoever.

And for a long time I thought you had to be like, Leonard Da Vinci's style or. , who is it? I like my friend, like NC Winters, had this like elaborate, beautiful art style, and he had to keep developing new portraits and all that stuff. I was like, no, I'm known for weird, lanky, figured creepy drawings.

 I spent all this time trying to get better at portraits and drawing Realism. I'm like, no, I'm just all sick figures. you know? Right, 

right. Get a paycheck. 

Kyle: Yeah. It is funny cuz the reoccurring theme for anybody who listens to podcasts talking to entrepreneurs or people that are building, it's the, disconnect for those who are doing and, and not doing the, the primary disconnect [00:27:00] is they wanna work less. But they want to make millions . I left a career I was doing for 12 years and I worked three times as much as I did doing that just on a once a week podcast.

Yeah. But it's, but but are you working though? Are you working or are you enjoying yourself? Well, I'm 

enjoying myself and that was the next thing I was gonna say cuz when you're doing what you love to. and you're able to keep that balance from turning what you love into a task that you don't longer enjoy.

Cause I've done that before too. I used to love creating websites, but then nobody knew what they wanted and I got burned out trying to give people vision cuz they didn't. I was supposed to be their vision and hype them up and they'd be like, nah, let's just put it back to the old wave from 1992. I was like, I don't think I could do this anymore.

Yeah, I still got paid the same, but it was painful,

Shawn Coss: I never went that graphic design route. I was like, no, because they're. Yeah. Cause like I trust you on your vision and you show 'em. They're like, nah, I think you should change this. And then all of a sudden they become a designer. 

Right. All right, buddy.

Got it.

 That saying of, work a job you love, you never [00:28:00] worked a day in your life. It's such a corny saying, and I'd heard so much growing up, but I have stresses, obviously owning a business, we're potentially gonna take on a six figure debt to buy this new place. But it's a stress that I welcome, and I'm like, I can control the stress of it.

 I can, if I need to leave right after this I can go home right after if I want to, I'm going on vacation at the end of this month, for a week. I don't have to ask anyone for permission. I'm just going, so it's like the perks of it are awesome, but we, bust our ass off and I don't know any.

Entrepreneur or business owner that doesn't work day in and day out late hours, early mornings. but they love it cuz they're like, building something that is mine.

You're like always on too. it's different to work in the nine to five that you have take home with you, but it's like you're always.

you always gotta answer the phone. I mean, you don't have to but the calls are still coming. The emails are still coming. it's so much different than punching in and punching out. 

Oh, yeah. we're a hundred percent business oriented all the time. Like whenever we go out, have conversations.

If I know that you have some type of connection to something, I'm gonna latch [00:29:00] onto that and let's start talking. . cause like I'm 40, I have all my friends I need, I don't need new friendships. but associates and connections, business, stuff like that, that's always growing. 

Kyle: Yeah. Very cool.

Now, a popular question I usually ask is how you overcome when you're not being creative, usually that's a good sign to take some time off. But, I really There's one, piece of art that you did in the Marvin the mart kind of a, you know wild out.

And I was just curious, when you're taking a break, but you still want to create, I, is that when you go to, things that you know and reimagine them or what do you find in, times of, being stuck a little bit? 

Shawn Coss: When I'm having blocks, typically I won't even try to create, honestly, I'll go play video games. Like I play a lot of cold of duty started playing the last of us again cuz I just finished watching season one. And that's still by far, I think the best game that's ever been made, story wise and everything.

It's just, yeah, it flows so well. or I'll start watching movies, start reading more. I just don't ever have the time. if I know I want to create something, I'll usually hop on, like, Pinterest is like my go-to spot. Like it was always known as like the girl site for [00:30:00] outfits and all that shit.

It's such a robust library of like various artists and concepts and inspiration everywhere, like color palettes and stuff like that. so I use that thing religiously. And so if wanna create something. And if it, usually I'll be like, I'm gonna create something like based on emotion, but I'm not really sure which emotion I'm gonna focus on.

I'll hop on Pinterest and just I'll type falling figure, embrace, I'll put like certain words in there and I'll just look through artwork and photos and just, I might grab six or seven pieces and cut 'em together and move 'em around and be like, I'm feeling something here.

let me pursue this. And then, Or sometimes I'll have a phrase I want to use, like I'll go through my long list of ideas. there's also times where I'm just like, I can't think of shit. And there's just, there's no way, shape, or house. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna take a couple days, again, right.

There's no deadline. So I used to tell people, just force your way through it. be a real artist. Force your way. I'm like, no, take the break you can wait a week. It's not gonna change anything like, Your art career's not gonna go down the drain cuz you took a week to, [00:31:00] re-energize yourself.

No, 

Kyle: that's good advice. how do you manage your work life balance as an entrepreneur? 

You don't, 

Shawn Coss: I don't poorly, , I've gotten better now, but in the first part of my career I was nursing, running the clothing brand and then working for Cyanide & Happiness, so I was doing three. . Two of 'em were full-time gigs, actually.

All of 'em were. And then I had my wife and I, and I had my first daughter and I was just always working. sleep four or five hours a night, wake up early, work just all day, or go nurse, do night shift, and then work a couple hours in the morning if I'd go to sleep and just. It wasn't working.

something was always suffering. And I don't give a shit what you say. You, if you have a bunch of tasks and you're trying to do 'em all at the same time, like one's gonna suffer or they're all gonna suffer. it's just the nature. We're just not built to be able to do like that type of multitasking at proficiency or at least I definitely cannot over the. A couple years and I was like, I need to leave nursing and just get out. because I'm not seeing my kids I was when I [00:32:00] finished nursing, I was in, pacu surgery, post-op and all that stuff. I'd be on call every couple weekends and the weekend I was on call is when I'm trying to do something with my kids and we'd be like, Hey, we're gonna head here.

And I'd get a call and like, Hey, you gotta come in. And it wasn't like, oh, you're gonna come in for an hour. No, I'd be there. 12 hours, 13 hours on a Saturday that I was supposed to hang out with the kids that day. And I was just like, you know what? I'm out. when I left nursing, I also, I got laid off from Cyanide and Happiness in 2020.

After Covid and all that stuff. they lost a lot of advertising money and all that stuff, so they couldn't afford to keep a bunch of us on I said, I'm just going to focus on the brand. I'm not gonna do commissions. I'm not, I'll do some stuff for bands. there's a couple like national acts like Seed that are in this moment that I'm friends with that, I'm not gonna tell them no.

I'm like, yeah, I'll put, I'll do an album cover for you. Cool. But I used to do like couple hundred commissions a year. Yeah. Just keep money flowing. but again, I was, dividing my time. . And so now all my time now goes to the brand and so I don't even worry about commissions. I don't have to worry about other [00:33:00] obligations, and it's helped, and then during this upcoming summer, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna come in early. I'm gonna leave at like 3:00 PM 4:00 PM and spend the rest of the day with the kids, So I'm trying to get back those years that lost cause I was working so hard and just being busy I'd travel all the time too, so I'd be gone for like a week or two at a time. So that's more time I get to see like my kids. Yeah, 

Kyle: that's tough. 

Do you have a favorite piece that you've created? 

Shawn Coss: Nope. 

Kyle: That was an easy answer. 

Shawn Coss: They're all redheaded step childs as soon as I create it, I'm done. I'm ready to move on to the next piece. I, get asked that question all the time, What's your favorite piece? Like I don't really have one. I create and I move on. I create and move on. I get so involved in the creation of it and I love everything about it while I'm doing it.

And then as soon as it's finished, I post it, it's gone. , kick it outta the house. I'm right for the next piece. Yeah. 

That's a good way to do it. Yeah, just a machine. 

Kyle: Do you have a dream project?

This comes from my artist zimmet ry

Shawn Coss: Dream Project I don't know, I would love. . I don't know if this is necessarily a dream [00:34:00] project though, but I would love to have a feature film surrounding all about my artwork, like my artwork being like characters and stuff But, I would love to work with certain bands like tool would be amazing to work with, but even that's like, it's not like a huge, accomplishment, you know what I mean?

They hire artists yeah, it's hard. I don't, I don't know, I just, uh,

Yeah. No answer for that one. . I've always wanted to design an album cover for Tool, our Perfect circle. Um. 

Kyle: Perfect circle was my jam.

Shawn Coss: Yeah. 

Kyle: So like, I don't know, I dunno what it was, but that was the one. I, I liked them better for some reason. 

I 

Shawn Coss: actually liked them be better, which I've been a diehard tool fan since like, Under Tow days. Uh, but when I heard Perfect Circle that first album, I'm like, this is way better, it's way more emotional to me.

Um, it's way more vulnerable. Yeah. It's super polished. Yes, too. Yes. And like even the, the eat elephant one that came out recently, he just sounds very, Just completely open and vulnerable to everything. Like tool. I always felt like there was a wall, like the metaphors were like this wall that he kind of kept.

But I loved, I loved, the music they made. loved Pusser too. it's a different style. Yeah. I like the, the [00:35:00] idea that he can create different genres, and it's still like the same guy. But yeah, perfect circle. when that merit Nome came out, I was a. . I don't listen to a lot of albums, like on repeat I get like bored easily . That's why I'll jump music genres. But that album. Yeah, I, think I ruined that album in my CD player. . 

There's only a few albums like that for me too. Yeah. Matt and Mud. I gotta listen to it from start to the end. Yeah. Mud 

Bain's LD 50. I made my wife hate that band and she's the one who turned me onto that thing.

Cause I kept listening to the same songs over and over again. there's 

a few albums where I only like, track, six through nine. Yep. Or, or 10 through 14. It's like those are the best songs for some reason. Just the ones I connect 

with. 

Shawn Coss: I'll know when I'm, done with the album when like I'll hear a song and it irritates me, like I'm just agitated by it for whatever reason.

 I just can't wait for it to be over. I'm like, okay, I'm done with the album for now. then I'll come back A couple years later I'm like, okay, I'm gonna check this out again. 

Kyle: Last question for you can you talk about, for all the artists out there, the importance of knowing your worth? 

Shawn Coss: First off **** people for [00:36:00] even shaming you in telling you what you're worth. it's important, because knowing your worth is showing that you have confidence in what you're putting out and you believe in what you're putting out.

if you're unsure of what to charge your stuff, I feel like that shows in the work that you put out, you're like, ah, I don't know what to charge for this. I know my worth, like with my book, I put a lot of work into that's years of work and research put into this.

the people who are trying to price shame me, they're like, I'm not paying $65 for a book. I'm like, you aren't you're paying for the time that I like each piece I draw. That size typically goes for about three 50 a piece. So if we wanna charge what I actually charge for artwork, and that's got 277 pages of art, like we're looking at, a bitcoin worth of, you know, a book.

It's very important because even to this day, like musicians, artists, our jobs are hobbies, they're not considered careers. They're not considered a mechanic. they're worth 30, 40 bucks an hour, 50 bucks an hour to fix your car, but an artist is on 50 bucks an hour.

They're was like, I can draw. but you're not just getting the artwork, getting the art, the [00:37:00] technique, the creativity, the vision of it. there's a reason why there's artists and there's people who don't do art. I think it's, yeah, I think it's extremely important for artists to know their worth.

because if you know your worth and you are confident in that, like other people will see that worth in you as well but if you undercharge yourself, something that my business partner told me, he is like, when you're selling artwork for like 60 bucks a piece like paintings, he. , you're telling people like, oh, this is cheap I don't really consider this valuable enough you're putting this oh, he's a cheap artist now do, should I, should you ask 30,000 as a brand new artist? No, because then you're delusional, but I let my, my fans and my audience decide my price. the reason why I charge certain prices, cuz I.

That's what people are paying for it. If I say, Hey, I am charging five 50 for an eight and a half by 11 commission. Okay. If no one buys it, all right, price is probably a little too high, but I got 20, 30 people buying it. Okay. Price is probably close to being on point. Um, I might fluctuate it at that point, like, [00:38:00] I might toy them go, okay, four 50 and see if it upticks.

And if they're like, oh, here's 60 purchases, I'm like, okay, that's my price, you know? Right. And as I get older, like when I first, like I sold my very first painting, a 16 inch by 20 inch acrylic painting, first painting I ever did for 60 bucks ever. Wow. I sell paintings now for 15,000, you know, so like, right.

Uh, if I would've known back then like shit, I could have sold that for a little bit more. And back then, ain't no one paying that much. I'm surprised people pay that much now. But Yeah. I, 

Kyle: I don't know, have you've seen that video going around where that guy is talking about, hiring a digital designer or whatever, and the guy goes, what?

What's your problem with my price? He goes, I think it's too high. because he says, it only took him two hours. He goes, yeah, but it only took me two hours because Oh, is it I'm good at what I 

do? Is it the guy on TikTok? He goes, so you value more if I take longer? I love that dude. Yeah. he has a lot of great concepts cuz he helps a lot of people in like the design world, understand value cuz that whole thing with like the [00:39:00] speed thing. He goes, wait, I paid you 500 bucks for two hours. Like, would you rather pay me 500 bucks for eight hours?

There's no difference.

, so one of my favorite paintings that I've ever bought I was at this pop culture art, show, um, at this brewery in Michigan. And this guy his future mother-in-law drew an RV in the middle of a, of a desert from breaking bad and there's like the smoke coming out and it's really simple I saw it and I was like, I love this thing. She never thought she'd sell anything. I wanna say she was selling it for like 60 bucks.

But I've had that hanging in every place I've lived for the last, oh yeah, six, seven years. And it's one of those things where this is, this is what I love about. When it connects with people, especially one that's got, a reference that people are familiar with.

If you've seen that show and you see this painting your whole mind the bat, you just know the whole, like all the sadness. Yep. The whole journey. It just hits you different. Yep. If you don't know that show, you just see an RV on a, on a wall. 

Shawn Coss: Exactly. Yeah. It's, 

Kyle: I love the, like the dual, it's like a double entendre in art

Shawn Coss: [00:40:00] Yep. That's very awesome. Yeah. You see that you're like, . I know the whole thing about this. Yeah. Like my grandma will be like, oh, that's so 

Kyle: pretty. But then somebody else be like, oh my 

Shawn Coss: god, rid of my bones. . Yeah. Let's talk about the meth . 

Kyle: so I know you got a lot of stuff coming out the tarot cards you just wrapped up, which are wild looking anything else that we should be looking for? Anything else coming out in the near future? 

So the book obviously is still doing well we're currently, the brand is in 120, zoomies stores across the United States so we, we have an account with them. So a lot of my designs are in the stores.

 I'm working on this idea just came to us a couple days ago, but I wanna do a card deck set of my mental illness work. To have something for people to kind of carry that's a little bit easier to carry. Like having something like this is easier to carry than like a book that's like two pound and it's a thick book. So that's probably a project I'm gonna try and kickstart, uh, here in August, I think is the plan. Okay. Um, so that'll be like the next big, [00:41:00] uh, venture, I think. Awesome. 

Best place to keep track of you.

Shawn Coss: Instagram, Facebook.

Uh, it's just my name no weird art synonyms or anything like that. 

Kyle: Well, guys, make sure you, you plug in, check out his artwork everywhere. Make sure you check out the clothing brand we'll have everything linked to the podcast notes. Yeah, we'd love to have you come back when you got something to talk about fresh that's coming out. 

Shawn Coss: I'm to get myself into the N F T world, but that's a very slow burn. I wanna do like some of these other artists where it's just an addition of 10.

No, no, no utility thing, no promises, just, Hey, it's art. If you want the artwork, like I have a solo art show coming up in two weeks, but I have one of my, oh, that is one Animat. Yeah. So Infinite objects, and I teamed up and gave one away, but they are like an N F T company you can put your animated NFTs on here.

And I say, you know what, I'm gonna do artwork and not just NFTs. Yeah. And so I have the two of those that'll be at my art show on the 25th. 

That's sick. It'd be cool to buy [00:42:00] an NFT of your art and receive like a physical item. I did that once but a lot of I've come to realize, and maybe now if I start approaching the N F T space as like an artist as opposed to a collection, like maybe it would be more inclined to it.

Cuz like I sent one person over in Europe, a two foot by four foot painting that was also an N F T. So they got both. Yeah. So I'm trying to figure something now. I'm trying to take my time. Since we're in this bear market right now, I'm trying to. See the lay of the land of like how these other artists are doing it.

And then that's kinda like my next, I guess art venture Yeah. Is looking into the N F T space. I know a lot of my fans hate it, but I love crypto, so , 

Kyle: it's a cool, it's a cool thing to do and it literally lasts forever, so. Yeah. Exactly. That's pretty wild. Well, have a good rest of your day and have a great vacation. appreciate your time. 

Shawn Coss: Yeah, I appreciate you having me on.

Kyle: appreciate your time. Have a good rest of your day and have a great vacation. 

Shawn Coss: Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me on. 

Kyle: Here is good terms with their brand new single available everywhere today. Old 

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Kyle: that. Song is amazing [00:46:00] Good Terms, man. One, honestly my favorite band that I've, found on the internet. Uh, we got Brian here from Good Terms thank you for being here. Thanks for sharing this new song with us, which is out today. Anywhere you can stream music, make sure to add it on Apple Music, Spotify, all that fun stuff.

 uh, What can you tell us about the song Brian? 

Brian: Old friend, is I think. It's definitely like the, personally, the most important song, like to us as a band that we've put out. It's a Zack song. I remember in, 2019 before we even launched any of the band, we had most of the first record done already.

But Zach and I were sharing some new songs with each other and he was playing me old friend, and it's a very I don't know how much of, I mean, obviously I sing about it, but I don't know how much of his personal story I'll like tell verbatim, but he was having a tough time with his family. , he's on separate coasts from his family, and it was very much that way emotionally too.

Like they were just far apart from each other and that wasn't the way it was growing up. I mean, he's, he is, he's very tight with his family. A lot of his musician, like things that he loves in his life, kind of music's label. It all ties back down to his family and family [00:47:00] experiences. So it was weighing on him really hard.

We did that whole first. During this emotional rift which is also, the pandemic, us trying to be a band for the first, it was so stressful I didn't know about it all of it necessarily, or I knew about it when it was happening, but I didn't realize like the toll it was taking at certain different times.

And he, he plays this song it's been sitting in this folder, growing for years and we've always had this feeling that like this. , this is a deep song this is something else. And then for me, I'm just stoked, to sing it he was really working on melody and I'm really, really proud of that first line.

Um, we, we brought it, Zack did a fricking solo or a verse. He, like, he sings on, he sings on the bridge. 

Kyle: Yeah, he killed it. 

Shawn Coss: Yeah. That's fricking huge. He did not, he did not used to do that oh dude, Ivan bringing in the little 1975 guitar part on the verses. Yep. One of the things about our last record is we kind of just rushed to make it as fast as possible and, A lot of the guitar playing was Zack, because that's just what made sense at the time.

We were in different cities and different states and whatnot, and this is the first time this, [00:48:00] the last song that we made, uh, drive. And, and this song is the first and the first times that we've been able to really dig in to what we want to do as guitar players together. And that's one of my favorite things about the song is when Zack and I are playing these like stories so far, chugs and Ivan's playing this like, yeah, deep little pentatonic, you know, funky guitar, guitar thing so that's, that's all friend. And then the music video is all, is all Zack too. This whole like pharmaceutical ad, you know, you, you, you need to take your old friend's. Important thing you need. Um, and we're, you know, we're such goofballs, and we went, we went really hard with the goofy aspect, with the last record, with all the videos we were making.

Cause it's just what came out. and then we made the video for our last song and it was a little more moody and we were. . I mean, we want to step into this, but like, and you know, I have some more, you know, the stuff that I, I'm working on for the band is a little more moody too. And, uh, and Zach's really keeping up the, the goofy, the goofy tent flagpole, which is important.

So. Yeah. [00:49:00] Yeah 

Kyle: You guys are all A one. Actors may got an Oscar came out before. 

Brian: That's our dream. We should all be on an SNL skit. That'd be really fun. 

Kyle: I love all your videos. I like all your tracks. But yeah, there's something about this song. To be able to man wanna, like Anthem, sing a track for us.

Heavy heads out there, rock fans. Yeah. That isn't super distorted until that end is, is incredible to get people from that group pumped about something that's, that's not distorted. It's, it's insanity. 

Brian: Yeah. Man, dude, 

I love that last breakdown. I mean, again, it's all, it's all Zack.

He didn't write every single note of the song, but like that, that, that breakdown is his. And I love that breakdown because it's, uh, it's so nly. It's so, it reminds me of like mom jeans, like that side of like the indie kind of thing, but he's still, he's playing to Les Paul and the Mesa, and he's doing the ch like he still comes from under oath, you know?

Um, so, and dude, imagine when you talk about like, , I, my name's on the song, I edited words, I did stuff, I [00:50:00] contributed to the writing. But like, sure dude, when someone gives you something like that to sing, I love singing, obviously. Uh, it's just, it's very special and I really enjoyed just like the challenge of like taking that on.

That's a big thing. If I, if I sound wimpy, if I sound nasally, wh whatever, or in the wrong way, that I'm screwing up that guys, I'm screwing up that 

John Byrnes: guy's emotion, you know? Yeah. One thing for all you folks who are new to good terms and need to go check them out immediately after this, this episode, brother.

Uh, I love that. Uh, at this point, now everybody gets a chance to, to sing, so, . And so it really adds some vocal diversity Yeah. To the track got, you know, different people screaming at different times and harmonies and everything, I like what you guys are doing it's unique, it's different, it's nostalgic and it's fresh, all at the same time where's the best place to keep track of your progress this year? What's the big plans for 2023? For Good Terms? 

23. 2023 

Brian: is the, the year making upgrades of our [00:51:00] little spreadsheet of, of our dreams. Um, we're trying to get on the road, man.

Uh, I, we're trying to get on the road. We have a bunch of songs we wanna put out. I don't think that, like when I say we want to get in the road, I think that's like a goal. We gotta do some work. To really make it so that maybe, hopefully next year we're on the road nonstop, but like lots of people are hitting us up on Instagram and TikTok saying, come to these cities, and every week it's a little more okay, that's possible.

Maybe we can make it to Utah, maybe we can make it to Denver, Chicago, yeah. Sure from Virginia, like three quarters of us are from Virginia and Gor basis is from Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Okay. We wanna get to the East Coast very quickly. But so we are gonna be, we're gonna be putting out songs nonstop and playing shows and trying to play shows farther from home 

John Byrnes: all year.

Be sure to plug in, like I said, follow them on Spotify. That's the big one for sure. And Spotify. Yeah. Make sure you add the song to your library and make sure to follow them on Instagram and Twitter. And let's get on Brian's TikTok. TikTok 

Brian: baby. That's orders from above. 

John Byrnes: Tell me to Orders from above Exactly.

Brian: Wants me to go on TikTok And I did. It's rocking. I'm having 

a 

John Byrnes: [00:52:00] free time on TikTok, so that's awesome. And you always do those little like impromptu acoustic sing alongs. Exactly. Actually. Which is cool. One. Yeah. Awesome. I actually haven't been to one in a while cause I haven't been on my account where I felt you guys, I've also been.

Brian: with my spotty internet. I can't do it the same way. I have this efficient way that I do it all at once, and I can't do that anymore. I have to do all these broken up small ones. So it's been a little rough. Okay. 

John Byrnes: It fixed, but yeah. No worries. All right, I appreciate you coming on, man. And this song came out today.

It's crazy. It's a great song. Yeah, man. Give my best to the fellas making my release 

Brian: day start so special. This is such a fun way to start. Most of my release days, I've never started with a podcast that mentioned this is rad. I appreciate you, man. Yeah, no worries. Appreciate you. 

Kyle: This has been a total blast as always I know I say this regularly, in a few words, but yeah, what a great time It is on Thursdays with all of you and my trustee, co-host in John. Man. How you feeling buddy? This was a [00:53:00] great episode. This is a fun show. We have a lot of fun every week. It feels like we're having more fun every every week even let's go, man. This is, uh, this is a wrap for episode seven, moving on to eight. Before you know it, we're gonna have 3 billion of these things, so amazing. Uh, . I'm just excited to, to see how we progress and, and how we grow with, uh, with all of our patrons listening in. But, uh, yeah, I mean, guys, be sure to tune in on Thursday nights live in Twitter spaces, 9:05 PM Eastern Standard Time.

You know, the. Plug in, listen to the live space, hang out afterwards for a chat session, or if you're listening to this in the podcast format, be sure to subscribe and comment. Leave us something funny and we'll try to pull you into a session on the show for a game. But until then, I want you to check out this new podcast called 1 08.9 The Hawk.

This is a podcast that takes place well in a made up. In [00:54:00] a different time and it's, it's fun. That's all I wanna say about it. Uh, should I give 'em any more details, John? 

John Byrnes: No, I think they should check it out. It's definitely unique and it should. All right. Well that 

does it for the show. It's a wrap. Let's have a great week and we will see you same time, same bat channel next week, Juan.

Kick it, buddy.

All right. And up next, what the frick man. Uh, All right. And here with you're blind. Yeah. Not unveiling cuz the song just came out. 

Paul. Okay.