FIRST TIME Watching Snowpiercer (This Movie Gets WILD)

What happens when you trap humanity on a never-ending train and let class warfare explode? Yeah… we just found out.

On this episode of NOSTALGIA TEST by BJ in the Morning, we watch Snowpiercer for the very first time… and let’s just say this movie does NOT go where we expected.

Set in a frozen future where the last survivors live on a constantly moving train, society is divided from the filthy tail section to the luxury front cars and one guy decides it’s time to fight his way forward.  

We break down:

• Our first reactions (and confusion)
• The wild tonal shifts 
• That ending…
• Whether this movie actually works or is just chaos on rails

Is this a hidden sci-fi classic… or just a weird experiment that somehow got greenlit?

Welcome to BJ in the Morning  where nostalgia gets tested and first-time watches get REAL.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

On this week's episode of BJ in the morning, we're gonna live on the train and eat some buttons and maybe in the fight. Let's go. Welcome back to BJ in the morning, your favorite Dirty Name podcast, where we put our nostalgia to the test. With rewatches, first time watches, we're gonna see what holds up. My name's Brendan. And I'm Juan. And that is another test of our brand new intro that we're doing for the podcast Until Something Sticks. How'd it feel? How do you feel about that?

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It felt pretty good. It it it lasted the length of the song, which is kind of cool, I think.

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Yeah. I went real fast and I left out a word, I think.

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Uh cool.

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Yeah.

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Hell yeah.

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Hell yeah. Let us know in the comments down below if you leave it to me to fuck it up. Next time, next episode, next episode. You'll do it. It'll be fine, though. Uh uh Juan, today. Today we're talking about Snowpiercer. Snowpiercer from 2013. Snowpiercer. Uh, we had not seen this movie before. I I think I started this movie in the past. Yeah. When it when it came out. I don't think I finished it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Snowpiercer is the name the name of my band. Your band? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

What what kind of music do you play?

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Uh snowy.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

It's just snow patrols, covers.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yeah, and and uh let it snow.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Uh-huh.

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And uh Let It Go.

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Uh-huh.

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And uh Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

That song that's all like Jack Frost nipping at your nose.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah, nipping at your nips.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Nipping at your nips. Gotcha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

That's the name of the album. Yep. Nipping at your nips.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Uh but yeah, we're gonna talk about Snow Bearster today, which for us was our first time finishing it or watching the whole thing in uh in one sitting. Yeah. Um let me see the cover photo. The cover photo.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

The first time I ever saw this movie, looking at it right now, I thought, and and it was that cover photo on Netflix back in the day. It's the the poster. That's the poster.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Um I thought that it was about Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Okay. Because of the the ring behind them.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Yeah, which is the engine of the train. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

I I know that now. Right. But I just assumed, I'm like, oh, it's like a Stargate spinoff with Chris Evans. Uh-huh. And I should watch that. And I never did. Never did. Never even watched the trailer. Until now. Until now. And now you've seen the movie. And I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

And we're gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Uh, I was pretty excited going into this movie uh just because we don't get to see Chris Evans really do anything other than Captain America. Oh now. Captain America? Yeah, you didn't know that? No. Yeah, weird.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

You got the I know him from not another team movie. That's the only thing I've ever seen Chris Evans in ever.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

And uh Free Guy.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

He's not in that. He made a cameo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a cameo in that.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

But he is as Captain America.

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So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

I mean, he's Chris Evans.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

He's I didn't know he was Captain America. I thought he was just making a cameo for his homie in Free Guy. Right. We're off the rails, which is real funny for a movie about a fucking train. Um let's talk about Snowpiercer a little bit. Um, so this movie came out in 2013. Um, the tagline for this movie is Um Geez, this is a long one. I'm just kidding, I'm gonna read a short one. In a future where a failed climate change experiment has killed all life except for the survivors who boarded the Snowpiercer, a train that travels around the globe, a new class system emerges.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Alright. Sounds right. You know, I never really picked up on that it was an experiment that messed up the world. In the movie? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

It starts out with that.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Yeah.

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At the very beginning.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yeah.

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It tells you.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Did you you were just not not in it yet?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Maybe I was just like the movie. You were getting settled still. Hasn't started yet. Yeah. I was getting my popcorn and my drink and my milk dud. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Because you went to a theater to watch this for the podcast. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Had to get up to Past in this movie. Uh, the one and only Chris Evans, as we said. He's the only person in this movie. He plays every single no, I'm just kidding. Uh, we have Jamie Bell returning from uh uh Jumper when we watched Jumper. Uh Tilda Swinton uh returning from when we saw her in um Doctor Strange. She's in Doctor Strange. We saw her last though in Burn After Reading.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

She's not in Doctor Strange?

SPEAKER_00 5:29

She is um you have Song Kang Ho, uh Ed Harris, John Hurt returning from Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy, uh Octavia Spencer, um, and then uh Allison Pill is in this as the teacher, which we know her from Scott Pilgrim. Um other things. Uh she's in that. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, directed by Bong Jun Ho, who we know from movies like Parasite. Um He was a writer from Mickey 17. Uh um, what else has he done? Uh he was a producer on everything's just Parasite Mickey 17, director Mickey 17, Parasite Oakja, Snowpiercer. Uh he also was the director of the host, which is how American audiences were uh introduced to Mickey. Um this movie on IMDb has a 7.1 out of 10. Not bad. 84 on Metacritic?

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Not bad at all.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

So we got a user review 7.1. Let's look at 4 IMDB, which are the elite reviews, you know, the fancy ones, right? They're the ones at the front of the train. Yeah, yeah. Then we'll go to Letterboxd, which is back of the train shit.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

If you've seen this movie, you know what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Uh six out of ten, right? Uh wastes too much time on pointless action instead of developing its ideas. Snowpiercer could have been a great film, and it is probably a good story, but it turned out to be a two-hour-long collection of weird scenes, pointless action, overacting, and slow-mo shots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, No Stars, a big confusing mess. This film tells the story of a self-sustaining train which has been running for 18 years on board with all the survival survivors after an apocalyptic event. A few minutes into the film, it already becomes clear that Snowpiercer is a film that reflects the societal inequality, oppression, and cruelty. As the group moves up the train, the carriages become more luxurious, and the metaphors are very obvious. The film screams to the audience to wake up from the unjust society. Uh, eight out of ten, yes, it's a metaphor, but a tense one. It I just came across it again after after hours on TV and rewatched the whole thing. Although I have seen it twice back in 2013. For the ones who'd want to check it out and don't mind a dark, violent social commentary, this is a treat. Good cast, good acting, uh, good action, and relentless pace. Probably most are familiar with the story of Snowpiercer, the train that holds the last of the humans and keeps going around the world while people are split into sections in the train. The story itself constitutes a great but not new metaphor about society. I would keep the metaphor in the background as the backbone of the story and focus on other exciting elements of the film, which are very rewarding. Eight out of ten. Okay, that person liked it a lot. They they liked it a lot. Um, how do you think people over on Letterbox feel about it? I feel like they're not gonna like it. It's a 3.7 on Letterboxd, which is pretty decent out of five. Out of five. Um four and a half stars, the best Captain America movie of the year. When was that one? That was from 2014.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Um, I wish Tilda Swinton did more comedy, doesn't even have to be on a train if she wants.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Uh that's a four out of four out of five. Um three stars. I wasn't prepared for Chris Evans actually like acting. Yeah? Actually like acting? Um five stars. Of the two remakes of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, I've seen, this is the one I prefer. Um and four and a half out of five, bro. If Tilda Swinton told you to be a shoe, you be a shoe. Yes. Yes. Um I just want one more, one more good one. Um five stars. Hands down, one of the best and greatest science fiction films I've seen in years. Not only is it audaciously ambitious arthouse action spectacular, but also a social allegory about class and power. Yeah. Uh four and a half stars. Apparently, over the years the snow slowly started to melt. And my theory, why is why? My theory why. There's no punctuation in this. My theory why is because Chris Evans and Jamie Bell are chaotically hot. Okay. That's why it's melting. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Three stars, this movie is just Willy Wonka on Rails. Instead of the seven deadly sins, it's a thematically uh it's a thematic criticism of inequality, but the lack of character relationship really hurts the Willy Wonka plot structure because I felt nothing when anything happened to anyone. I liked a lot of the movie, um, but sometimes it looked like a TV movie, and there was a lot of action that just happened to anyone. I felt what the heck? I love losing my place in mid-sentence. Is this what it's like? Yeah. Reading from a screen. Um there was a lot of action that just happened for action's sake, primarily the parallel action at the end. Pre-production, costume design throughout, and film gets better as it gets more outrageous. But this is the first Bangjoon-ho hit that left something to be desired. I didn't know the Willy Wonka thing was a big theory, and the new Snowpiercer show has pure imagination in the trailer. I promise I'm not a hack or a fraud. That was an edit they put in after. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, so there's a lot of comparisons to this movie in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, which I think is it's really funny. I brought it up to you before we started recording the thing really badly.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah.

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Um, I don't feel like we're gonna touch on it too much, uh-huh, other than what we just did.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

But there's a lot of similarities. Right. Is it better than Wonka? No. Totally different movies. So let's jump in and uh break down the plot, yeah? Yeah, sure. What happened in this movie? Yeah. Yeah?

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But Brendan. But Juan. Before we get into that, why don't you go ahead and tell the people where they could find us and follow us and subscribe to us and like us and love us and share us to their friends.

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Right now, we're gonna do that right now. Yeah. You want me to do it? Usually you do it.

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No, no, no.

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Oh, wait, I get it. I get it. We're gonna do the whole thank you so much for making it this far in the episode. If you've done that, then go ahead and like, subscribe, comment over on YouTube at Bee G in the Morning Podcast. And then on Instagram and TikTok where you are at speech in the morning underscore. Yeah, I did post on TikTok for the first time in months.

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Hell yeah.

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That's okay.

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Um delete and get a new one and see what happens.

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Delete the entire the entire podcast TikTok.

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Refresh.

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Yeah. Yeah. There's 500 people over there that have followed us. Maybe they should go follow us on Instagram at BG in the morning underscore. And uh subscribe on YouTube at BG in the morning podcast. And um let us know in the comments um if you follow us already. And before you get in, before we get into the plot and giving our ratings of Snowpiercer, uh guess who liked this movie and who didn't out of the two of us. Because again, me and Juan do not talk about these movies or how we feel about them until we do the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Comments.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

So we're gonna predict who liked it or didn't like it. It could be both, it could be neither, it could be whatever.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Does that make sense?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you think neither of us liked it, put it down there. If we think if you think we both liked it, put it down there. If you think I liked it and he didn't like it, then put it down there.

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Okay, one more.

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And if you think he didn't like it, but I liked it. I think you said the same thing twice. Put it down there. I'm not sure. And if you think mother liked it, put it down there.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Yeah, put it down there. She seems to just be okay. She seems scared. So let's get into Snowpiercer. Uh the world froze, and so we built a train.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Would you think a train is the best option for a frozen world?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

No, I I mean I've never really been on a train.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Not one like not moving. Just like there. There's a train.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

I've never traveled via train.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Via train.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

You know what I mean? So I feel like trains would be cold.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

It looks cold, at least in the back of the train where we find our main character, Curtis, played by Chris Evans.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Right. Um yeah, I don't know about a train, but I mean, cool, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Literally.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

But like there's um there's the train makes the most sense for what they did as far as like the different sections and the different lifestyles per section of the train. Right? So like as you move forward, it gets a little nicer and better for you. Um and the very back is basically like the poverty level.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Yeah. And then there's the poorest shit level. Like where we find our main character, Curtis, played by Chris Alex.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yeah. And so interesting enough, I think it would it would have been more interesting to find out maybe this is what the show is about, I don't know. To find out how they got to the point where they pushed people to the back to live like uh I think they touch on it in the movie. Yeah, but like what to see it, you know what I mean? Because like what we got and I don't want to say too much before getting into the the plane.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

We've gone one sentence I I understand.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I understand. But like to me it would have been more interesting of a movie to see all that happen because you're not good. I don't think they boarded the train already split into sections.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Maybe they boarded the train to survive. And then within the train, people start going a little crazy, a little power hungry.

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And see, I think the opposite. And we'll get into it.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

So we open on a frozen apocalypse caused by a failed climate experiment, uh, where the entire planet is now an ice cube.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

It is a new ice age. Sid the sloss out there, um, trying to find his family.

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There's no animals, there's no people.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Sid Sid the Sloss out there. Right. Because it's Ice Age.

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Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Sid the Sloss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you said.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what name is what name is it were you saying?

SPEAKER_00 17:25

The only survivors are people on a constantly moving train called Snowpiercer. Tile of the movie. Tile of the movie, Snowpiercer. Interesting. Wow. Um, at the very back, you've got Curtis, played by Chris Evans. Did I say that already? I think so. Um, he is basically living in absolute misery. There's no sunlight. Um, the only food they have are these gelatinous protein cubes that they get sent. Do they call them cubes?

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

They're not cubes, they're like rectangles.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

I think they call them bars. Bars? I think they called them bars.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Uh protein bars of uh questionable origin. Uh we later find out it's bugs. They're bugs. They're bugs. Yuck. I mean protein's protein, man. I guess when you're starving. Uh they also have zero hope altogether. No hope. They're everybody back here. Honestly, honestly, if this train wasn't abandoned, like, wasn't barreling through the snow, if this train car was like hidden underground in an abandoned subway, uh, and it was set up the way it is, though, the bot the back of the train, it'd be a really fucking dope hideout. Yeah. Like they got bunk beds, they got little track tracks going through it to to send messages and stuff to each other. Um, it's a pretty cool hideout. If you were like surviving a zombie apocalypse, maybe best place right there. That train car, lock it down. Lock it down. No windows, no one door, lock it down. Best place to take a nap for sure. Yeah, I bet you it's quiet when it's not moving. Yeah. Uh, but we don't know. Uh, meanwhile, the front of the train is living in luxury. Yeah. Uh that that is implied at this point of the movie. Right, right, right, right. Um, it's a class system um on a train. It's a very subtle metaphor. Super subtle. Super, super subtle metaphor. Poor people in the back, rich people in the front. Um Curtis Curtis decides, or they've been communicating with someone at the front of the train about how that they are gonna get from the back to the front of the train.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah, someone's been sending them messages. Uh we'll find out later. The protein bars.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah. Crazy. Weird. Who's in it? Who was it?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Whatever. Somebody. So it's basically like the Revolutionary War, uh, but on a train. That's what's gonna start right now. Um so yeah, they're eating bugs. There's there's a few kids in the back of this train. Um, Curtis is is back there starting the revolution. He doesn't want to sit down when everyone else is told to sit down because why? He's counting the doors.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Counting the doors.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

See how many doors it is to the next section. Only four. Not that many. Not that many.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

How is there three doors separating the back to the whatever the next section is, but only one door separating the rest?

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Um, it's probably something to do with keeping the poor people where they belong. It's it's a it's like an airlock situation. Right. Um, so they can lock one door, open the next one, you know, in steps.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

So if someone gets through that first door, that next one's locked.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I get it.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

I get it. Um, so the tail section stages an uprising, finding their way into the next couple cars. Uh each train car is like a new level in a video game, right? Um, there's like dark industrial spaces with like cargo and like machines building um like the protein bars. Um, there's guard-filled choke points, you know. They gotta get through this door, and then guess what? Train car full of baddies, uh, brutal close quarter combat. Um they're all trying to get to Wilford, the mysterious creator of the train.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Um There's an old man with them.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Gilliam. Gillian Gilliam Gilliam played by John Hurt.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Uh-huh. He seems to know what's his name again? Wilfred? Willy Wonka? Yeah, Willie. He seems to know Wilfred. Willie. Willie. Uh and rampant. Because at one point in the front of the train. Wasn't he?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I it's implied. It's implied, or he built the train, or but later, there's a reveal later on that he's he's meant to be back there because they need someone leading the front and leading the back. Um spoiler for an 11-year-old movie or whatever. How old is Mario now? 14 years old, 13 years old. Pretty old. 13 years ago. Pretty old. Um, but they also need um a security specialist who has been locked up because he's a drug addict, basically. Um, they need him to open all the other doors. Um so they're gonna break through and go get this guy. Uh, but he they get there, they do some fights, some pretty epic fight scenes. They rescue him, but he goes, My daughter's gotta come too.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

And they're offering him the this drug that looks like play-doh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Um, where does that drug come from? We don't know. They make it. They're all addicted to it at the front of the train, too. Yeah. So what's it called again? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

I don't remember either. But before we before we move on, there is some stuff that happens that I do want to touch on. Yeah, this is the time. At the beginning, when, you know, like the security guards are coming back, and then uh this is when he's counting the doors, and this guy gets in trouble, and they punish him. And they stick his arm out of the train and put a timer for what, seven minutes? Less. It's like 30 seconds. Is it? Yeah. And uh his arm comes back out and it's completely frozen. And then they smash it. He starts smashing it with a hammer. Um, Brutal. When I saw that, I was like, this movie would have been way better. Rated R.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yeah. The thing about this though is that we then see like Gilliam and a couple other guys get up to go can like console this guy. Um, and they're all missing limbs. So you think this happened to them too? Spoilers, it didn't. Maybe it didn't. Most some of them, definitely not. We find out. We find out later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Um and they also come in and take two children. Mm-hmm. Measuring them, uh, measuring their height, measuring their limbs, and they're like, not you, not you, not you, and they take two children. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

They take the the first boy that we see in the movie, whose mom is uh Tanya, played by Octavia Spencer. I don't remember the kid's name. Um Tim.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Tim. Tim. And then they take another little curly-headed red bo red-headed boy. Yeah. And they take him. They take him for.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

We don't know where they're where they're going. It's menacing. Why they're going. It's kind of crazy. Kind of scary.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

That's after that, that's when they decide to do the revolution. Decide to go through.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

And now's the time. And Edgar, played by Jamie Bell, is ready to go. He's ready to go right now. And so they go. And they go. And they get to the next train car. And the next train car. And they're fighting through bad guys. Um, but as they move forward, the tone starts shifting. Because it goes from like grim survival, like um, you know, all the warehousey, like industrial cars. And then they move forward into a classroom. Yeah. Where kids are being indoctrinated about their lord and savior Wilfred and the train that they are on. Really? And it's kind of creepy, it's kind of creepy. Uh, this is where we meet Allison Pill, uh, played this creepy ass teacher. Uh, we also meet Eggman in this scene. Um, but we need to talk about Tilda Swinton a little bit. Yeah. Because before this, um, she is she shows up to like give speeches to the poor. I don't know what else to call them. Yeah. Uh to the poor, mainly to Curtis, played by Chris Evans. Um, um, she she gives these speeches like you belong here because this is where you're supposed to be. So you be a shoe, I'm a hat.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Basically implying learn your role and stay there.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Yeah, for the balance of the train.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Don't try to do anything brash.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

And they said, Fuck you, Tilda Swinton. I'm a hat too. I want to be a hat. I'm a hat. Um, her character's name is Mason. Um, but there's this really dope fight scene in one of the train cars. There's a bunch of windows and everything. Um, and Tilda Swinton's Mason comes out and she's watching all these people get killed. And I'm pretty sure this is about when Edgar dies.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Uh Edgar, played by Jamie Bell, uh, was like the protege or like an adopted kid of Chris Evans' character, Curtis. Um like they had a really strong connection.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Uh, which we find out later why. Uh we'll get there. We'll we'll get in there. We'll get there. Um, but yeah, we're back in the the classroom where these kids are like singing songs about the glorious train they live on, and Allison Pill, whose literal the character's name is teacher.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Um it's got almost like a cult feeling 100%.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

It's like it's very propaganda heavy. Um, it feels like a creepy children's show.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Almost. Um, and then um Nam Goon, who is the the guy they rescued, um, he starts kind of picking up things about maybe the train isn't the only thing. That comes up later too. Um, but I'm just gonna start mentioning it now. Um so Curtis starts getting closer and closer to the front of the train, actions high. I honestly tuned out for some of this portion of the movie. Yeah, I don't know. They're just kind of going through train cars left and right.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

I also don't remember seeing any other like forms of society moving forward. You see the industrial area, you see the poor the poor, the back, the industrial area, and then you see a classroom, the classroom, and then there's a sushi bar. Yeah. There's but the sushi bar is inhabited by nobody. Yeah, there's one guy. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Um, but the egg man comes through and he's just passing off eggs. I liked the train car that's all um plants and everything. I thought that one was cool. Yeah, there's also an aquarium one where they get the fish for the sushi. But where are there people is what I'm saying? They're at the front. Um, because it seems like there's a ton of poor people and not a lot of rich people. Guess what? Metaphor, baby. Oh metaphor, one percent, 99%.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Don't point at me. I I was just motioning. You think I would be in the back of the car? We would be in the back of the car.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Probably.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

At least at least the one car up. Probably. We'd be making the protein bars.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Like, yeah, it's my job. Look at these roaches.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Um, what flavor are we gonna do this time? Roach. Let's do chucking.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Chicken. Chuckin'. I got some bouillon cubes. Um, so yeah, the egg man guy, though, he comes through random as heck. Um, he's just passing off hard-boiled eggs to everyone. Psych! He has a bunch of guys with him and they all have guns, and then there's a big epic gunfight. Um, and they take Mason hostage. The the poor people, Curtis, takes Mason hostage and says, You're gonna give me the front of the train. And now they're going through all the other train cars. We see like a bathhouse. There's literally a train that looks like it's just bathrooms or something, or changing rooms.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Um, and then there's like the one the one guy who is um I don't remember I don't remember what his name is. But he's like the guy who likes the head of security or whatever. Um He's the guy. He's the guy. I don't remember his name in it in the movie, and I am not finding it right now.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Is it Elijah Wood?

SPEAKER_00 30:37

No, that's your thing. It's by kids three. I'm the guy. Um, but you know the guy I'm talking about, right? Yeah. Um anyways, he's a he's the guy. Eggman. Um is it that guy? No, the guy. Um, but there's the the head of security guy who's kind of like just a badass for no reason. He seems almost unkillable. He gets shot and stabbed and he keeps going. Um, but he's picking people off left and right. Um, I know that some point in here, um Curtis starts figuring out that the system isn't broken, it's designed to be like this.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Um, the suffering in the tail section is intentional because it keeps balance. Um, and then when we are like getting right outside the the front of the train, uh, we get like one of the darkest backstories ever imaginable.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

About what people did to survive in the back of the train on the early days.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

And what is that, Brendan? What is that?

SPEAKER_00 31:45

The move this is where the movie stops being like an action thriller and becomes a what the hell am I watching? Um cuz Chris Evans is sitting there talking to this guy who only speaks in Korean um about how with no subtitles. No subtitles. It's crazy. Um, I don't get it. Uh I had to look up what he said in Korea. I did too. Um, did it help?

SPEAKER_01 32:14

No. No.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

No. Anyways, Chris Evans is like losing all hope, right? So Octavia Spencer's character is dead at this point. Um Edgar's dead. Uh almost everyone that he brought along on this journey, Gilliam's dead, um, because Willy Wonka, uh, he's then he's a Charlie Bucket.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

Right. Um, so Chris Evans in there, all law, all hope is lost because they can't get in the door. Um, and for some reason he starts breaking down the backstory of what happened in the back of the train in the early days, how they survived before the protein slabs started coming down. Um, and he just drops the line, I know what people taste like. Yeah. And you're like, shit. And then he says, I know that babies taste best. Ugh. And then he gets into more detail, and you're like, I don't need more detail. Yeah, we're good. We get it. We get it. You ate people to say stay alive. But it's not just that.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Because when they found out that the babies were easiest to eat and best, um Curtis comes across a baby and he's planning on eating them, but Gilliam steps in and cuts off his own arm and says, eat this instead. And then it's revealed that that baby that he was gonna eat was Edgar, who is now dead and uneaten. That we know of. That we know he might have got eaten.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

He might, yeah, he might have been eaten anyways. Um 20 years later. 17 years later.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah. By the way, uh-huh. That was before the protein.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Jamie Bell in this movie is 17 years old. No, he's 32. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Yeah. He's the oldest, oldest teen. Oldest teen I've ever seen. Yeah. Uh, we can't use that joke though, because it's from uh uh another thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Not another teen movie?

SPEAKER_00 34:21

No, it's it's a show that I listen to, and uh I don't want to talk about other podcasts on our podcast.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Unless they're gonna talk about us on their podcast. Sure. So if you're in a podcast and you wanna let's collab. Let's do some let's do some stuff. Um, but yeah, he's definitely the oldest 17-year-old I've ever seen in my life. Um but um what's his face?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Um maybe even younger, because by the time they're already on the train and starving and deciding to eat. Was he born on the train? He was born on the train.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

So he was 17. It's been on the train's been running for 17 years.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Yeah, but by the time they got hungry, you know, by the time they got to the point that you need to.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

He said it was only a couple months before the protein blocks were coming up there. Um, so yeah, so he tells that that story to a Namgoong. Um, and then he responds with, that's a sad story. These drugs you've been giving me are highly explosive. I'm gonna blow up in the side of this train, and then we're gonna go that we're gonna go out instead of forward. And Chris Evans is like, No, we're not. He blows up the door, anyways. Well, he tries to, he sets it all up, doesn't go, but then the the engine opens, and Curtis finally um sees who Wilfred is played by Ed Harris.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Looks like Woody Harrelson.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Um, it looks like Ed Harris to me.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Is that who it is?

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Uh from a side profile far away, I thought it would see it. Woody Harrelson.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

I could see it. Um, but Wilfrid, Wilford, Wilford, not Wilfred, Wilford, Willie. Willie offers him a deal. Um, take over the train and keep the system running as is.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Please.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

He has been sending the messages back to Gilliam. Gilliam's been running the poor people. Willie's been running the rich people, and the train as a whole. Um, so he basically says, you can end this or you can become me. Um, which is like a classic villain offer. Um meanwhile, Namgoon's plan comes into play, and he's gonna blow open the train and get out to the real world because he told Curtis in Korean, um, every year we couldn't uh understand what he said. Um every year he's been paying attention to this plane that they passed by, and 17 years ago you could barely see the tail, and now you can see the entire plane in the snow, which means the snow is melting, and he saw raindrops instead of snow on the windows, which means it's warming up outside. It's warming up, it's warming up.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

We can do it. Um, Curtis, which is crazy to me that they didn't put that into the movie, yeah. Like they didn't give us subtitles or even use the voice box that they've been using, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

The super quiet voice box sometimes, and then it would just they would just stop.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Well, at first they were like this, right? Holding it, and it was fine, led or legible, hearable, hearable. Um and then they got I don't know, they got lazy with it, they were just like holding it a foot away from that balance, and then even the sound on it was not you couldn't really understand what they were saying, right? But then on an important paragraph of this movie, this this monologue he just gave in Korean. He didn't use it at all. Yeah, and Chris Evans was just like, yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, outside.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

We're not doing that. Yeah, nope. Sorry. Um, but Curtis decides that he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't want to take over because he sees the reason that they're taking children from the back is to shove them into the machine that is the engine of the train to pull gunk out of a tube because the part broke. That's why they need small children. I'm pretty sure they're drugging these children up because they're like brain fried, they're not responding to anyone, but he sees little Tim down there pulling gunk out of this thing to keep the train running. And without in the floor, underground, hidden, and without him being in there to do it, the train blows up. Or stops functioning.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

So Curtis chooses to break the system, he blows open the train, the train derails, and it goes all over the place. Uh CG was a little iffy on this scene. But not horrible. But not horrible. It was fine. Uh most of the people on the train die. Uh, but in the final moments, we see two survivors step out into the snow, which was Namgoong's daughter and Tim. Right? Um and they look around, there's lots of snow, not a lot going on, and then on the top of one of these mountains, there's a polar bear. Which means Wildlife is returning. Yeah. The ice is melting. Hope it is found. But also they're in the middle of fucking nowhere. Right. Where are they? We don't know how long this track is, we don't know how a lot where it goes. Um But this movie really said that like, what if what if capitalism uh but it never stops moving and also everyone might die. What if capitalism? What if? What if? What if capitalism? Um before we get into our uh um ratings and review of this movie. Um I wanna try. I'm gonna try I'm gonna try something new for the end of the plot breakdown. Uh-huh. Um we'll see how it goes with this episode and if we'll go forward with it. It's easy. Not a game, no bullshit, like like the Shrek thing that that pissed you off because Where's is the stomach? What scene is the stomach? That was funny as fuck, and you know it. Um would you have taken Willie's offer?

SPEAKER_02 40:39

No. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

I don't know how desperate you would be. First of all, we don't even know how life is up in the engine. Right? Can you go anywhere you want? Do you have to stay up there? Are you cooped up?

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Um, I don't know. He kind of just Ed Harris, also in The Truman Show, you've seen the Truman Show? He's he felt like the same character.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Um, but also I don't know if I would do that. I'd be like, I eh, you know.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Can we like not have poor people in the back?

SPEAKER_00 41:17

But they need the poor people in the back.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Yeah, but why? I don't know. What's the balance that we're talking about here?

SPEAKER_00 41:22

The ebb and flow, man.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

The yin and the yang. How about just a little less hungry and a little less cheap?

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Don't cheap out. Give them some give them a window, goddammit.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Send them some chickens, tell them to you got enough eggs. I saw the fucking wheelbarrow.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Saw the wheelbarrow. You have a whole aquarium, a fish. There's a whole wheelbarrow full of eggs, but they only eat the fish once a year. So they keep the ecosystem alive. Because the aquarium and the sushi is a metaphor for the entire movie. Right. Um okay. Um does hope justify the risk of extinction? So risking to blow up the train because you're hopeful that we can live on the surface of the earth, does that does that justify blowing up the train? Well These are questions I thought of while watching.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

If it's only you and a child surviving sounds bad. Really bad. You're gonna die. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

There's no hope for survival.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

At all.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Or recreating.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

We don't need that. We don't want to think about that. No, no, no. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

No, there's no hope for that. Um, and the last question.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Uh-huh. Is Curtis a hero or just a different kind of villain? Let us know in the comments down below what you think of these questions. Um, and are you staying on the train or are you blowing the door open? Tell us in the comments down below. Um we're gonna ponder ourselves and then we're gonna uh come right back with our review of this movie. Yeah. Uh thank you so much for being a part of this episode, guys. Um, if you made it this far, uh please go ahead and like and subscribe on YouTube. Uh it'd be really helpful. Um head on over to our website. There's links down below. Um, and you can donate to the show if you want. Um, they're down there. They're down there. Send a voicemail about this movie or the next movie. Or even a text message. You can send text or uh or a voicemail over where it says send us a message. Um let's get into this. Okay, enough of that. Uh the bit was all over before it began. Um, Juan Brendan. We finished this movie. We broke it down, we talked about it a little bit, we made the comp comparisons to Willy Wonka a lot, uh, even though we said we weren't gonna. do it uh that that much we didn't do it that much um but now is the time to to rate the movie um so why don't you take it away tell me how you felt about it give it a rating as I almost knock over the entire setup over here.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

That's okay that's okay it's off camera um it's off camera this movie was it started off it started off okay you know like it had this buildup to that scene with the giant fight scene um I thought that that fight scene was maybe a like a step to where we were going um and I liked it I I didn't really have a a problem with it I liked it a lot when we got there um now the whole beginning it's okay you're you're explaining store the story you're explaining certain things like it's gonna be a little slower than when you get to the middle of your movie or even the climax of the movie um we get to the fight scene fight scene's really awesome yeah it was great I liked it a lot it was very interesting the way they used like how they knew they were going to hit the tunnel and they got their night vision goggles and then they had a fight in the dark and then that's when Jamie Bell's character dies Edgar Edgar and then and I texted you at that point and was like man this movie's really awesome this movie's really awesome I should have waited after that point though it doesn't keep going up to the climax it goes down to where the plot becomes very confusing the motives become very confusing and then even at the end when it's supposed to be the climax you find out everything that's happening oh my god I didn't give a shit about any of it at that point yeah I was over it yeah the the best reveal of the movie was when he said he ate people yeah like that that was the most shocking thing yeah in the movie everything else you're like yeah so like I think you know after watching the whole movie I don't really care for this movie I don't and I lo I probably won't watch it again and it doesn't make me want to watch the show that's for sure yeah um so with that said I'm giving this movie a four a four yeah solid four solid four okay okay um yeah man I think I think this movie would have hit different in twenty thirteen maybe when it came out maybe um because I feel like not to get political or anything but there's a lot of like class differential shit going on in our world that has only gotten more in our face as social media becomes stronger as there's more more coverage of the world blah blah blah blah blah all that nonsense um so like having a metaphor for the like display like the difference in class it's like duh yeah you know so I do feel like seeing this movie when it came out would have hit a lot different.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

I do think Chris Evans did a really great job with his acting in this um seeing him as just Captain America for so many years of our lives um you forget that he can act and not be Captain America yeah um I think some of the side performances like Jamie Bell unfortunately I understand why Jamie Bell's not really around anymore because he's just kind of the same dude and everything same attitude same kind of like everything way of talking it's like Michael Sarah but for some reason Michael Sarah he played it up a lot and like got you know got into those roles more often but like Jamie Bell playing like this snarky like this guy with an attitude but also you want to like like him because he's he'd be like someone you want to hang out with and like talk shit about people in the mall with but like that stereotype's kind of gone like we don't we don't need that kind of character anymore. Yeah um I think the there was a lot of scenes where I'm like that was badass. I liked the the set design of all the different train cars that we do see um there was one scene that we didn't really talk about with the the guy I don't remember his name um but there was guns and he's shooting there's this huge curve that this train's going down and he's shooting from one side of the train to the other side of the train and they're shooting back at each other and one the the guy has an assault rifle and Curtis has a pistol and they're shooting at each other from this huge gap while the train is moving. Right. Because the train's in like a C shape and they're shooting stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. I was the whole time I'm like who is where how are they doing this? Weren't they just in the same car like five seconds ago and now they're on complete different ends of the it didn't make sense. Um and the ending is so ambiguous it leaves up so much for debate that it like how we said it was a a girl and a kid yeah they're the only ones we knew who survived which cool hope oh my gosh we love hope and she's addicted to drugs and she no longer has yeah yeah yeah yeah um that doesn't sound like the best place to be so like technically answering a question that I asked I would have stayed on the effing train because at least I knew I was gonna be alive a little bit longer or you could make some change if you if possible yeah you take over and like start rotating people implementing change um make the back of the train better make the middle of the train just normal make the front of the train less great and grand and wonderful right yeah um it's hard to like rate this movie because I did like it up until a point and then afterwards I was like is it done yet? I want to give props to Chris Evans again for the acting with the scene with the eating people that scene hit you know what I mean um if the movie ended right then it probably would have been better than getting the whole Willy Wonka take over the train and every all this factory is yours.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

But like that at the end of the day that was the goal right the goal was to go to the front take over the train and make things better. But then you come to find out yeah it was designed for you to take over the train yeah it's I wanted you to come up here and because I want to retire and and and not do this anymore.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Throw them out how unsatisfying would that feel I just I just don't I don't it's too predicted you know everything's too predicted it why were they trying so hard to keep them in the back if everything was supposed to be like this you know what I mean uh why do so many people get to have to die all that nonsense um I liked a lot of this movie more than you did the color uh the tone um the cinematography the action scenes were great except for the one that I mentioned uh I'm giving it a 5.2 Okay I'm breaking a little bit of rules because usually we just do in in quarters uh but I can't give it a 5.25 right I want to give it a little bit lower but I'm gonna go with a 5.2 Okay because you rule breaker yeah yeah we made the we made the rules um you naughty naughty boy um but that way too I'm just establishing now that whenever we go back and review what we have watched when we update things we can add in decimal points that are a little bit more or less than a 0.25 scale anyways um I can't give it a 0.25 because I hated the ending and that one scene with the turn and the shooting um it's better than a bad movie but it's definitely not a good movie yeah just slightly better than a bad movie in my opinion yeah um I don't want to watch it again but I'm not mad that we watched it yeah there's been movies that we've watched I am mad that we watched sure yeah hell of a summer right what else was that the worst one we've watched that was I think um yeah um not to sorry Finn Wolfbard sorry wolfy boy um so yeah 5.2 for me um that's our review of Snowpiercer Snowpiercer we did it um but why don't we find out what we're gonna watch on the next episode yeah I have the wheel pulled up let's go ahead let's spin that wheel and then we'll see what we're gonna watch next it's spinning we're spinning um please let's go back to the 90s please I still want 2010 dude oh I thought it was gonna be 2005 it's a great year 1999 what movies came out in 99 Juan let's check it I'll pull up by NDB um advanced search movies from 1999 1999 I hate this is my least favorite part of the when we spin the wheel because we're not prepared like it's 1999 oh first movie on the list from 99 Fight Club oh we've seen that that was 99 yeah can you believe that oh my god it seems like a 2004 movie yeah uh the mummy uh wanting to watch the mummy again just saying I've yeah same uh I feel like 99's gonna be a tough one for us just looking at this list I've seen all the like the top five next The Matrix The Green Mile The Sixth Sense I don't know if I can do another three hour movie though the Green Mile's three hours and nine minutes on um six cents yeah six cents 99 can you believe that's a good one eyes wide shut I haven't seen that one me neither I've heard I've Stanley Kubrick's last movie I've heard things Stanley Kubrick's last movie I've seen did you know shots did you know he died six days after submitting the final edit of the movie no he had a heart attack six days after he never saw any he never he wasn't around for people's reaction to the movie and we've never seen it um ten things I hate about you I know fucking assholes um ooh the Phantom Menace oh man come on American Pie American Pie American Beauty Dogma got some bangers dude giant got some bangers Vin Diesel's first animated movie Toy Story 2 I love Galaxy Quest I love galaxy quest dude gosh Austin Powers the spy who shagged me I wish he shagged me Austin Powers big daddy baby big daddy big daddy's a banger okay um I think so many there's too many um I think we need to watch the mummy uh it's time especially with like Lee Cronin's the mummy coming out I think we should just watch another mummy movie and they're also supposed to do uh a remake with Brendan a sequel uh yeah that's what I meant a sequel like the mummy for Fraser Fraser do you think Rachel Visa will come back? No because she didn't come back in the the third one the third one yeah yeah they shouldn't have made it I didn't I hated that one anyways um okay so I have a story about that one but I probably shouldn't tell it on the podcast about the third movie yeah okay I'm ready um tell it I went to the Watch the Mummy with a girlfriend of mine at that time and we did not watch the movie let's just say that how dare you how dare you empty movie theater what am I supposed to do because that movie sucked what am I supposed to do on also sucked anyways anyways let's get back on track um yeah join us next week we're gonna watch the mummy we're gonna watch the mummy we're gonna watch the mummy settled I think yeah I think we're gonna watch the mummy I love Brendan Fraser movies me too Brendan Fraser have you seen Blast from the Past have I you have maybe bedazzled of course of course of course of course of course of course the Mummy Returns yeah I'm gonna watch both of them George of the Jungle yeah yes my favorite thing about George of the Jungle too is when they're like wait a second you're not George and they're like studio got too cheap didn't want to pay Brendan Fraser said I'm new George um that movie sucked but George of the jungle sucked in the best ways.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

Yes or still you're scrunchy yeah it's it's it was supposed to suck I feel like okay we're dragging this on too long.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Okay so next week join us while we uh revisit the mummy the mummy from 1999. I'm excited 90s right at the turn of the century let's do it again let's think of the nineties for a bit I doubt it anyways anyways thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of BJ in the morning uh your favorite journey podcast that revisits all the movies from nostalgia or whatever I said at the beginning of this episode. Yeah I'm doing another bit of the the the radio thing that you you mentioned so you gotta join in. Yeah um if you like this episode and you're listening on a podcast listening app make sure that you hit that follow or like or subscribe button. It really helps us out. Uh scroll down leave a five star review over on Spotify you can leave comments on the on the episodes that would be really awesome. And if you want to watch the episodes we have video over on YouTube at BG in the morning podcast and sometimes when I have time in my busy life I like to post clips on Instagram and TikTok at BG in the morning underscore um but really really do us a huge favor and go subscribe on YouTube. It would be really awesome if you did that but we want to get to five hundred subscribers before September I'm giving us a lot more time than the last time. That's a that's a big one dude that's a big 200 250 subscribers more really yeah to five to five hundred yeah oh yeah 250 I guess no beat it before then um let's get there let's do it do it do it together um do us a do us that huge favor subscribe um and send it to like one of your friends um do one of those classic chain emails like if you don't send this to five people yeah you will see the ghost of uh the the Scorpion King CPI from the mummy returns at the foot of your bed at midnight or one of those Facebook posts I I bet I bet most of my friends won't copy and paste this. That reminds is that Facebook or was it it's Facebook yeah yeah it tells you like a like a crazy story that's not true it's like I bet you most of my friends won't copy and paste they won't even read this they won't even read this story about how this guy did this thing and the place and the the happenings um and then I got a signed autograph picture of uh Jim Carrey but it wasn't signed by Jim Carrey it was signed by whoever dubbed or whoever doppelgangdom at the at the wax music doppelgangdom sounds like it's actually on that note thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of BJ in the morning my name's Brendan and I'm blind and Doppelgang you next