A system that clearly shows you where to start: An Interview with LTAP® Level 1 alumnus Storm Baynes-Ryan

In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Storm Baynes-Ryan, a physiotherapist based in rural New Zealand. This conversation offers a real-world look at what it means to practice from a whole-organism lens, especially in complex, resource-limited environments.

Storm shares how she integrates the LTAP® (Locator Test Assessment Protocol®) across multiple settings, from community care and medical centers to her own in-person and online practice. Despite a full life running a farm, raising four children, and managing multiple jobs, she breaks down how she implemented the LTAP® in a way that was both realistic and transformative.

They dive into:

•  How LTAP® changed Storm’s ability to quickly identify where to start treatment 
•  Applying a whole-organism approach across diverse patient populations 
•  Using LTAP® effectively in both in-person and virtual care 
•  Why results should change quickly and what it means when they don’t 
•  How integrating the nervous system and viscera creates more consistent, lasting outcomes 
•  The role of pattern recognition, clinical reasoning, and trusting the body’s signals 

This episode is especially valuable for clinicians who feel like something is missing in their current model, those getting decent results, but not consistent ones.

It’s a grounded, honest conversation about clinical growth, navigating uncertainty, and what becomes possible when you truly learn how to listen to the body.

Resources & Links

•  Learn more about LTAP® Level 1 (Spring Cohort) 
•  Connect with Storm Baynes-Ryan 
•  Previous episode featuring Storm 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the Unreal Results podcast. This is actually a bonus episode. So it is uh the enrollment period for the spring cohort of the online LTAP level one course. So I'm doing some alumni interviews inside of the Missing Link private Facebook group, and I want to share them with everyone. So in case you're not in the missing link, or even if you're in the missing link and just want to consume the interviews as a podcast form instead, um this is this is where we're at. So also because videos can't live on Facebook forever, they actually delete them. So this way it lives forever, and uh you can always refer back to it. So my guest today is um Storm Baines Ryan. She is a physio down in New Zealand. She works with a few different types of uh patient populations. Uh she lives in a rural community, also runs at a farm um and is a mom of four, so she has a lot on her plates, and I just love chatting with her and seeing how she utilizes the locator test assessment protocol in her practice. And I hope you enjoy hearing from her too. We'll link in the show notes. She was actually a guest of mine last year as well. So if you want to hear more from her, um, you can check that out as well. Without further ado, here is the interview. Well, welcome. Thank you for joining me. Um, we're in the uh Missing Link Facebook group, and I wanted to bring in some LTAP level one alumni to share their experience and answer any questions. So I have a visitor from the future, Storm Baines Ryan. She is a physio down in New Zealand, so it is tomorrow over there, and cycle cool stay. Yeah, and so uh thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate it, and it's great to see you. It's nice to see you too. Yeah, so um I think you went through the when did you go through the online last spring or even before that? The fall of the year before? I think it was a year ago. A year ago in the spring.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

I think it was a year ago, yeah. Because I did it, it was at least six months before that that I did the missing link. Oh, that's right. Yes, you did that in the save up.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Yes, I remember that. Okay, cool. Um, so um, and I'll I'll link in the uh show notes and then in the comments of the Facebook group. You've been a guest on the podcast before, and we we talked about your experience too, but um, I would love to hear about it again in terms of one share your your setting is super unique. Um, and so definitely I would love for everybody to hear that. And then also sort of uh what made you want to take the online course? Um, both the missing link and then the full L Tap level one course. And um and yeah, where are you now? Sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Okay, right. So I'm Storm, I've been a physio since 2002. And when I introduce myself with my work, I tell people I treat the human and not the piece of anatomy. Now, this has always been my direction, is I want to know who is in front of me. And I looked at the missing link as another opportunity for another string to my bow as a physiotherapist, and took that, it must have been 18 months ago. And for me, it was really astounding to be able to work out which part of the human it was coming from because I always knew that there was something else, and there's probably always going to be something else, but this even doing the missing link changed my practice so that I could change my clients really quickly with some pretty broad brushstroke treatments, and I knew that it was going to be helpful for me in the future. Um and I continued just to use LTAP one to direct my treatment. Do I need to treat the central nervous system and viscera, which I would do just as a very basic treatment, or do I just need to go to well the limb, or do we just do dealer's choice? And that made a massive difference. So doing the free course was was really truly changed, it changed my therapy. And then I don't, I didn't think there was anything missing. I just did it because I always want to learn and I liked the way that you put things, is that we could start directing traffic and looking towards things. And then I realized that I didn't actually know enough about the central nervous system or viscera, but I didn't even realize it was an option. So then I knew that I needed to do the um LTEP level one, but also that um we run a farm, so there's not that much spare cash, and then we went through a massive natural disaster and um ended up being really in a pretty bad place financially. So I had to um save up, and so I did. And then I did the LTEP level one online course this time last year. And I was really I couldn't attend any of the um live call live calls, yeah. Live calls that was not something I could even anticipate doing. So, along with running a farm, I have four children. I had four jobs at the time, I believe. I don't even know. A lot, a lot of jobs, a lot, and so I just didn't have the capacity to make sure that the time was right, especially with time differences. And oh my gosh, even trying to book this in, I was trying to book something else in Liz Hugh this morning, and I was like, I don't, I just I can't work this out.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Thank God for the internet because I'm like, wait, what time is it here and there? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Yeah, it's tomorrow. All I could tell you it's tomorrow, so I've got a cold. Um so then I did the course, and what I did is I watched everything. So you released the old stuff before the new stuff. So what I did is I printed out everything and read it beforehand because my brain is really fast, and I take things on with writing better than with words, unless I've taken on the words first, uh the writing first, and then I can really pick up people speaking. But if I don't have anything to stick to, it's gone. And then I would set aside some time on the days that it was released, and I would watch it a double speed writing notes at the same time, and then I would print it out and read it again. And every time I saw a client, I would then make sure I was implementing these tests every single time. So I think that's answered those questions up to that point.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Yeah, yeah, no, that's good. I mean, you didn't say what your um, I mean, you said you had a lot of jobs during that time, but what type of patients do you work with now? Like who are you seeing? Because I think that's very unique. And then you have kind of two patient populations.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

I do, yeah, I do. So I'm I live in a geographically remote area. We are a city, but it is it's very isolated. We often get cut off from the rest of the country. Um, we've only got really two main roads in and out at one stage, or only just this year. We've had all the roads cut off. There's another road which you can do, but even that was cut off. So we've we get cut off. It's very rural, it's very remote. People have a hard time accessing anything. So I have I work in a medical centre which has a special character. So it's judged by the government to be of a special character, and we are funded, and I work there as the physiotherapist inside the medical center for anyone who needs whatever they need. I don't I do musculoskeletal primarily. So if somebody has had any kind of neurostaff, any kind of cardio stuff, I send them to the town physios because we have hospital physios who can do that much better than I can. But I do musculoskeletal in this very special population. One day a week I do community work for people who are falling through the cracks and can't get to physiotherapy or there's some kind of barrier. Um, it's in a that's in a true multidisciplinary team. And then two days a week, which was one and now it's two, and I'm so excited, it's growing. Um I have my own practice where I see clients either in person in a clinic that I lease off a surgeon in town or online. And it's somewhere around 40% of my clients are online. And most of those are rural or remote clients as well. So that's my population base, and again, it's musculoskeletal injuries. Um, generally less than a year old, occasionally it's something that's been brumbling longer than that.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Yes, I love it. Um so for both of I mean, for all of the all of your different types of populations that you're seeing, all of your um different sort of work environments, how are you are you able to use the LTAP in all of those? And like, and or like how are you integrating it in terms of like, you know, I I mean you said before it was like, you know, massively changed the results you were getting. Um but I'm just curious too, like, just do you use it with everybody or in-person, your only your personal ones, or what?

SPEAKER_00 10:52

So that's actually a really great question because I stratify it a little bit. When I'm seeing my community clients, some of them they don't even get out of their chair. Right. So there is very I don't see any benefit to doing that with them because I'm there to keep them company, give them some hope and give them a couple of exercises. For anybody who is mobile and able to do activity and exercise, and I I don't think that that's I think that I could actually integrate it with my other clients, but for me I've chosen not to because it's the for them, me even visiting is a lot. Yeah. So with my medical center clients, I will use it on most people most sessions and every time on their first session. Unless, of course, they think that I'm already witchy, in which case I'm just really pleased that they've turned up. Yeah. And I'll give them something kind of what they're expecting, get a bit of buy-in, and then I'll probably use it later. Yeah. Um, just I I read the room a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, for my online clients, most of them have found me because they know who I am through my um social media. And so they know pretty much what to expect. They know that it's going to be a little bit different, and I just tell them this is how we're going to do things, and they're generally on board. So in person, really easy. I just run the L taps through with heads-on. Yeah. Online, I um turn around, I turn around and like pull my top up, pull my pants, and I'm like, not all the way, obviously, but I'm like, this is what I want you to do. Yeah. Um, and this is what I need to see, and this is the movement I need you to do so that they get a picture. Depending on the person, I might just explain it. But other people I'll show them, and then we'll run through the LTAP through using just my eyes. Now I think I'm in a really privileged position having been trained by some really excellent musculoskeletal physios right from 2000, 2000, 1998. Yeah. My instructors were the IFOT, um, the manipulative therapy people. They they they started teaching me in 1998 and 1999. So I got some amazing manipulative therapy training right from very early. So I knew about sacred mutation and counter mutation, and we'd spent hours practicing it. So for me, I can now look at it. Easier to see it. Yeah. I don't need to do even three reps. I'm like, one, we are good, two, we are good, take a breath, and I can see it. Yes. Um, then I get them just so in band, and then I check their mastoids, and then we're just away. And from there, obviously, I can't. There's some things I just base on what they've told me because there's that saying that um people attribute to all sorts of different people, but I don't even know who it's from. Is that if you listen to your client, they will tell you what is wrong. And if you listen really hard, they will tell you how to fix it. Yeah. Yep, agree. Um, and and I just I kind of base my central nervous system based uh tests or assessments and treatments based on what they've told me, based on what I've seen, based on my pattern recognition, I would expect is what that is deep down. Yeah. And then I say, look, I don't know if this one's gonna work. It's gonna take a minute. If it works, great. If it doesn't, it's not a tattoo on our forehead, it's a piece of data that it's not that this time. Yeah. And so that's how I run it. And then I will treat them. Um, I'll do, sorry, I'll do the assessment I do, my questioning first, because I do often, especially with my medical center people, because that just settles them into it a little bit. Then I will do the LTAP, then I will do their physical assessment, what you call the orthopaedic tests, and then I'll pick one of those, I will do their assessment that or their treatment that's come in from the LTAP, and then I'll give them a retest very quickly. Partly it tells me if it's working, and then it tells them what's working. I love that. That's how I run that. Is that given enough?

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Yeah, no, I think so. And I'm curious because you said it in the beginning too, when you're just talking about sort of your experience first with the missing link, and then like what led you to want to take the whole course was realizing, like, oh, I I haven't really been to considering the viscera and the nervous system as much, and maybe I don't know have as many tools around that. Um, and like you said, you you've been a like uh more uh manipulative, like musculoskeletal-based manual therapist most of your career. So, how are you feeling that, you know, for your in-person people, especially probably like when it does come up visceral or central nervous system, like how are you feeling about, you know, my whole thing is that as long as you're in the right place, it doesn't matter the tool you tool, right? You don't have to know visceral manipulation to be able to treat the viscera. So, how are you feeling about that sort of concept? And how are you navigating that?

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Well, I find it so fascinating. So I've delved relatively deep because that's who I am, but also how I manage it in person. I have really a battery of things that I find really easy to implement and most people like, and they're easy to test, and then once you've done the test, you can just then um move that into treatment. So I don't often do it to people unless it's something where I um I will explain about one client in a minute who I've got in mind to talk about. But a lot of the time I get my clients to do it for themselves because a lot of what I want is for my clients to be able to go away from working with me and not need me anymore. And so they have a first aid kit of things to do when X is happening, then they try Y. And so I think that might answer your question.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, so uh it depends on the client, which is the politician's answer. But um, the reality is yes, if people are the person who feels like I need to fix them, then I'll do it, but then I'll show them. Um, otherwise, I generally get people to do it because part of it is that they know their body far better than I ever will. So it's just a bit of it's just a bit of a toss-up between the client, the problem, how they're feeling. If they're sensitive, they're going to do it. Yeah. If we're deep into the treatment and they know me really well, I might get in. But quite often I find I actually just go a little bit further.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Yeah, I love that. Um what else do I want to? What am I missing? What am I missing in the questioning? Um, I mean, uh a good question too often that I ask is like if if you were talking to a colleague that was kind of like on the fence of you know, should they sign up? Especially, you know, I mean, obviously you can't you being in New Zealand haven't been able to come to one of my in-person classes because it's like you know, yet, yet, hopefully soon. But it's sort of like, I mean, just comparing, I guess, to the like a normal in-person class, um, you know, not necessarily the in-person LTAP class, but like a normal in-person class learning with learning in the online version of the L TAP. Do you feel like, you know, what would you tell somebody on the fence about, like, oh, I'm not sure if I want to do this class because it seems on hands-on, and how do you hands-on in an online space sort of thing?

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah, absolutely. So I'm gonna tell you about a client I saw today. She is in the South Island of New Zealand. So she is a three-hour, two-hour flight, and then another two-hour flight away. Plus syndrome. Yeah. I'm not gonna see her in person. Yeah. She's actually had some really excellent physiotherapy treatment for an Achilles. Her program is amazing. Like there isn't essentially nothing wrong with it. But when I looked at her, I could see she was running away from her big toe in plant afflexion. So it was just my movement assessment of her. She could do three single leg calf raises, and she's been doing this for ages. And I so I assessed her LTA, her, it was a left Achilles, the left SIJ was hypomobile. She was quite flat and incredibly tight on right lumbar sidebend, and a little bit jammy and still quite hingy at L2 on left sidebend, but it felt not as bad. Her mastoids were not level, and she was like, No, they feel different. And she told me about she focused on she was talking about her pelvic flaw, not because it was an issue, but that was something that she'd focused on. So I had a look at her rib angle, and we released through her um upper abdominals and diaphragm. Her mastoids, then she was like, that feels you know, they did they feel different. I said, can we just try this single leg calf raise again? And she didn't run away from that big toe as much, and she did three calf raises like that. She was like, it doesn't feel as sore. And so that's how I use it online. It's just as good. I think the benefits of having online clients and the online learning, the parallels here, is that you can take it on board into inside yourself. So you're not relying. Um, so the clients are not relying on me to touch them to get the treatment. And for me, I wasn't, I'm not relying on you being there to remember the patterns or really. Remember the movements. I have to take that on board for myself. I think that that was a really big thing. And then I could message video you, my clients. Um and then, sorry, I've just had a funny story that I can't tell you, but about a video. Well, I was gonna video a client who's like, yeah, that's fine. And then he took his top off, and there was a massive gang tattoo. And he was like, maybe we shouldn't put this on. Yeah, maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Maybe not. Maybe only if I knew some Photoshop editing skill. Yeah, I'm not, I don't have enough pockets in my brain for that.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Right. So anyway, um, I think it and then I could send my clients, and especially in those really intensive weeks, I'd send videos and say, This is what I'm seeing, what am I missing? And then I could, and then you'd say this, and I'd be like, oh.

unknown 22:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

I knew that. Of course I knew that. But it was just putting that learning pattern and that assessment pattern together. And so for me, I got to put it together because I had to. Yeah. Rather than being told it was this way, I put it together in a way that worked for me. Yeah. Which is why I do it quite differently to you. I know that you do the assessment before you talk to the client. Yeah, I mean, but I I just don't because that's how it works in my situation. Yeah. Um, I think the other benefits of online is that it can be at your pace. So if my brain was melty, I would do something else. And then I also used my skills for my how my brain works is making sure I had it written, making sure I'd read it, making sure I'd listen to the previous videos, and then listening to them and listening in double speed because my brain is fast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

No, I like that. I mean, uh, that's interesting because tomorrow, the podcast, well, the podcast episode I recorded yesterday for tomorrow's podcast, I actually talked all about how important the need for repetition and review is and learning. And I was like, and and that's sort of like even what you're saying, too, is like in the online learning environment, because you don't have me being able to come around in the classroom and like check your work or like show you how to do it, you know, quote unquote right, there it like it does require a lot more reps, and it does like require a lot more critical thinking on your end and like kind like figuring it out, um which you know is like a learning curve, like you know, uh, but also I think there's so much value in that. And there's and like you said, like there's so much value because of pattern recognition and just like yeah, like being I mean, I I guess again, it just goes back to being curious, right? Like you kind of already accepted, like, well, I'm just gonna have to figure this out a little bit on my own since I'm doing in the online environment. I can't get to an in-person class. And so it almost takes the pressure off of having to do it right and allows you to just be curious and like be like, hey, let's try this out today and see what happens and see what changes. And and then also like sometimes not even needing to use the assessment to dictate a treatment yet, but just let's just assess this and see what kind of information it gives me so I can put it in my brain. And the next time I see you, maybe we'll use that information.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Yeah, thanks. So I've also used it for a client in Australia and was really interesting because we did the LTA, came to the central nervous system, settled that down, increased the range, and then within a second, she was tight again. And I emailed it was thoracic rotation, it was painful, it was stiff, it was sore. I gave her range back, and immediately her body shut it straight back down. And I sent her, I always send my clients a letter after. I sent her her normal letter, which is what we found, what we're expecting, what your goals are, what the time frame is, here's your exercises, etc. And then I sent her another one and I said, I am really, really concerned about you. This is not right, your pattern is not right. There is something else that needs to be done. And if I haven't seen her next because she's getting MRIs and all sorts of things, there is something else in her system. And I could tell because it wasn't, if I hadn't done the L tap, I would have gone, oh, she's just tightened up again. But the patterning was if I release you with the L tap, it should give you space. Yeah. It should give you space to move, it should take away any protective patterns. But that protective pattern came straight back. So that protective pattern is protecting something. It is not just like a glitch in the matrix where it's like, oh, I've just tightened it. Or I've just tightened up because you did something stupid six weeks ago and I forgot to let myself off. Yeah. It's like, and so I was like, and you know, you need to, this is my spidey sensors are just off the planet. So I found that really helpful as well, knowing that if my treatment is not sticking, that there is something else. Yeah. And it might be that I've missed missed the the part, the central nervous system, or the viscera, but in this case, I it there was no way.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Yeah, it was like too fishy, like too.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

She went from this to that time.

unknown 27:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

And I was like, oh no, no, no. Oh no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. That is not a storm thing to treat.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Yes. I do, I mean, I appreciate that you're saying that too, because and I don't I don't know what um maybe it's just our the way our brains work with the patterns, and I mean the LTAP is a part of it for sure, but um but it's like I'm more sure nowadays of like nope, this is not normal. Nope, I can't fix this. And it's not I can't fix this because I can't fix it. It's like, no, I can't fix this because nobody's gonna fix this because this isn't a this isn't a thing that's fixable without higher medical intervention. Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously, I guess it is like, yes, the LTAP has given me that because being able to have an assessment that tells me where to go and get me good results, when I don't get good results, I know that that's there's a reason for that.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and I have all my rule right from the day I graduated or even um before I did was if I could if I saw a client for three sessions and there was no improvement, then that wasn't for me, I'd either missed something, yeah, human, or there was something else going on. So I would either do a full assessment or refer on. And I got better at that right from and when I came back after my kids, I was like, right, after one session, if I can't change your symptoms, then I've missed something. And so now it's I I expect that it takes three sessions to kind of lock in decent improvement, but I shouldn't be able to change people in one session. That is, if I'm not, I'm already like going, what have I missed, or what else is going on? Yeah. One session. That's not to say they're fixed. I can see people full. No, but it's like you know, yeah. It's either if it changes, it changes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah. If it doesn't, what have I missed, or where do I send them? And now I am really certain about that. I had someone come in and she was just desperate to avoid surgery. And in the end, I was like, I don't know if you need surgery, but I can tell you this that you've gone away. We assessed this, we knew your trip exercises work, they made you feel better for the first time, and they haven't stuck after three weeks. We need something else. Yeah, and so I can be really, really clear with that. And LTEP made me know, made me know that is not a good sentence, Anna. Yeah, um it's made me certain that if I've done my LTEP and then I can't change them, then that is not for me.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Um, and if my orthopedic tests can't change them as well, so then I can it's just another test of certainty that if one of those, if I can change it with my I always do LTAP now, so that will change, and then or it will direct me straight to the spot. And then if I can change the spot, then I know I can fix it.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Or fix that's not the word, but again, yeah, I I understand.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Make a change, make a positive change. That like you, that's it. Yeah, yeah. I I am the same way, and I I think too, like I always tell my athletes, I was like, I don't want like I don't that you're never gonna be in rehab purgatory with me here. Like, I I'm gonna be honest with you, and I'm also gonna be like, Yeah, like I don't want to waste your time, I don't want to waste my time, I don't want to wait you waste your money. Like, time and money is precious for all of us. And it's like, yeah, no, like I like, you know, like I'm gonna, it's not like I'm just gonna drop you and never help you, but I'm gonna like figure out where to send you next when I can't, you know. Yep, that's great. And let's go. Um and they're very appreciative of it. They're like, oh, thank you. Because they've all been in situations prior that they do just sit in rehab purgatory and let the therapists, you know, tell them that, like, oh, things take this takes time. And I'm like, no, the whole, well, it took you, you know, 10 years, 15, 40 years to create this problem. And I'm like, well, it shouldn't take 40 years to get rid of it. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

No, no, and I've actually had a couple of um things where I've gone to the specialist and gone, this is not right. And he's gone, you're wrong. So then we have to find other ways. Yeah, tricky because we're it is tricky. It is very tricky. Yeah, I also I'm really lucky because people I study with are really smart. Yeah. Um, I can, and there's amazing people in town. I can call the surgeon, I can call the fracture nurse practitioner, I can um the other day, amazing. I got a I got an ultrasound and I got a MRI, and they were both different for the same person. And so I went to the synop, I found the sonographer and I was like, hey, look at this. And she's like, Oh my gosh. And so they've gone right back, they're going to get it re-reported. So yeah, um that's how I uh it's totally off topic, but that's how I make it work in this really rural community where we've got some amazing people, but sometimes it just needs a fresh set of eyes. Yeah, for sure. And I think LTEP actually provides me with that.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

I love that. That's what um I just taught the what one of the in-person courses up in Eugene, Oregon, with one of the alumni, Julie Embry. She's a physical therapist at like a orth like it's a ortho outpatient, outpatient, but it's inside uh orthopedic doctor's practice. Oh wow, cool. Um, those those they she's she's done such a great job. Well, one with the initial relationship with those doctors, but then as she's learned the LTAP, um and she's introduced it to them. Now when they have a like when they have a patient that they're like, I can't figure it out, like the MRI, like they'll send her to her, send them to her and ask her to do the LTAP and to see if they're missing anything. And like I'm like, how cool is that? Like that's so cool. It's so it's just so nice. It's just so nice when you have other practitioners on your team that appreciate what you do and like it can all work together and collaborate. And it's like they might not like get it in terms of like what exactly you're doing, but you get results and you give them information that they didn't have that ends up being relevant relevant, and so they're like, I don't care how you figured it out, but thank you for figuring it out. And like those are also I think practitioners that are so hard to find because that just tells you that they really only like they really care about the patient as opposed to themselves, and I think yes, so often, like that's the heart that's hard. Like I in my opinion, it's hard to find doctors all the time that are like that, at least in sports, too. Like so many of them are in it for the ego, and so it's nice to know other practitioners that like just really care about the patient and like are like, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

We'll yeah, like our locals surgeon. I mean, there's a reason there's stereotype of the surgeon, right? We and all 100%. 100%. Do you know our surgeon was like, I am really concerned about this lady, and he's like, I'm gonna cut to your physio assessment and have a look and see what's going on. So he came to my room from his clinic down the road to see my client during the session. Like, yeah, I just feel I would not be able to do my job without someone who I can message and go, I need you to see this person and that's in within a week. Yeah, same. Well, Mrs. Receptionist and I dye her sourdough bread. So to be fair, like I love that.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Well, um any questions there, or is that I don't I don't see anything in the comments, but I will relay them if they come in at a later time. I'm where I am. Yes, I was gonna say, and I'll drop your um Instagram in there for people too if they want to reach out directly. And thank you. Well, yeah, it's always a pleasure talking to you. You too. And I love seeing you grow on your social, you're freaking crushing it. Um yeah, there was I did one video and it's just I know blue yes. I love it. Yeah, thanks. That's exciting. So um congrats and yeah, keep keeping you, keep crushing it. And um, yeah, hopefully I'll find myself in New Zealand one of these days.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Yeah, let's get a let's get a course going. I know um at least two of the other practitioners in our area, the ones that if I am who I go and see, yeah, they would be real, they're really keen to do it.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Oh, cool. Yeah, I would love that. I know I was talking to my friend in Australia today too, and she was like, What happened to the courses down here? And I was like, don't get me started.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

There's that person who does my time titling.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

I was like, I was like, they're gonna happen eventually. I just we we I need a better strategy, so but we'll do it eventually in both Australia and New Zealand. So cool. Well, that'll be great.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Well, I know I'll be there.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Yes, I love it. All right, well, have a good rest of your day.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

And I will thanks all watch the kids swim.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

Yeah, and we'll talk soon.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Yeah, it's nice to see you.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

You too. Bye bye.