Delivering Results That Stand Out- Interview with LTAP® Level 1 Alumnus, Nicole Bulow

In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Nicole Bulow, a physical therapist specializing in sports medicine and pelvic health.

Nicole shares her journey integrating LTAP® into her clinical practice and how it became the catalyst not only for improving patient outcomes but also for successfully rebuilding her business from scratch after relocating to a new town simply by delivering results that stand out in an industry often accustomed to slow or inconsistent progress.

With 15+ years of experience and a strong background in manual therapy and pelvic health, Nicole was already a skilled clinician. But like many, she found herself hitting plateaus, repeating the same treatments, chasing symptoms, and knowing there was something deeper she was missing.

This conversation explores what happens when you finally have a system that shows you where to start.

They dive into:

•  Why repeated treatments (like ankle mobility or soft tissue work) often signal you’re missing the root cause 
•  How LTAP® improves efficiency and helps clinicians get results faster 
•  The connection between protective patterns, the nervous system, and chronic dysfunction 
•  Integrating pelvic health, sports medicine, and whole-organism assessment 
•  Why patients are willing to travel and pay when results actually stick 
•  Using LTAP® to identify when something deeper or medical is going on 
•  How better outcomes directly translate to business growth and sustainability 

Resources & Links

• Learn more about LTAP® Level 1 (Spring Cohort) 
• Connect with Nicole Bulow 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the Unreal Results Podcast. Got another bonus episode, and um can't wait for you to listen. I welcomed uh colleague Nicole Bulow, a physical therapist up in Washington State, who is an alumni of the LTAP level one course. And uh we caught up and talked about how she's using it in her practice, how it has been such a helpful tool uh to get really great results, and um which has been integral for building a new practice from the ground as she moved to a brand new city uh not too long ago. And so um loved hearing from her. I hope you enjoy it. This was a live stream in the um private missing link Facebook group this morning, and uh can't wait for you to give it a listen. Hello everyone. Uh welcome Nicole to our uh Missing Link Facebook group um and to the podcast and YouTube channel. Um since this gets kind of broadcast everywhere, thank you for joining us. Nicole is a uh physiophysical therapist. You can tell I've been talking to non-USA people. Uh she's a physical therapist up in Washington State and uh LTAP alumni. And so I brought her in to share about her experience going through the LTAP level one courses and sort of how she's using it now, what's going on in her practice, because it's been a a while since we connected. Um you were in the Tacoma in-person course, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:45

No, no, Phoenix.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

You've Phoenix, that's right. The year before. That was the year before. Okay, yeah. So that was 2023, I think. Yeah, yes. Okay, cool. Yeah, so it's been a it's been a bit. Yeah, yeah. Uh that's right. I asked you to help out in the Tacoma course and you were out of town or something had something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

unknown 2:09

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Um, all right. Uh, I will give the floor to you so you can introduce sort of like what your practice is or was and is now, and then um, yeah, just your kind of journey with Nell Tap. So welcome. Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Yeah, psyched to be here. Yeah. So I let's see, yeah, I've been a PT for 15 years and um am right now mostly doing kind of a combination of sports med and then like women's health, pelvic floor, pregnancy, postpartum is kind of my jam. Um, I've recently moved, and so I actually had to close my practice that I'd had for 10 years in Seattle. And now I live in a small mountain town. So I'm re, you know, don't know anyone there and have restarted my business. And, you know, I think that's been a space, you know, I can kind of just starting from the front and going backwards, you know, I'm now probably four months into starting my new practice in a town where I know virtually nobody. And I think the LTAP and like my ability to get results quickly has helped me grow my business in a way that I don't otherwise think it would be. Like at three months in, I'm kind of probably 75% as busy as I want to be, which feels pretty amazing. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah, super quick. Um, and I think a big part of that is yeah, the essentially the efficiency that I'm able to achieve with the LTAP. Um and I would say, so like to go back a little bit to the beginning of the LTAP, like I have been a manual physical therapist really since the beginning. Um, I did a lot of training through the Institute for Physical Art and then started dabbling. Well, then I took like a left-hand turn into pelvic health when I had my own kids, like many of us in the pelvic health world. Um, and sort of as I was, you know, and then a desire to kind of blend those two spaces together, the sports medicine and the like women who want to get back to doing all the things that they love doing. Um, and honestly, I found the LTAP, you know, like largely through like, you know, a desire to figure out like, okay, what's my next step? Like I did all this manual therapy, I did all this pelvic floor stuff, and then like sort of just looking to like where to take myself next. And the Brawl stuff was always on my radar, and I just hadn't really stepped into that, had some visceral training through the Institute for Physical Art and some of the pelvic health stuff. And then honestly, I saw that Nicole Cozin and Sarah Tanza had both taken a course of yours, and I was essentially like, they're awesome. Like, I don't know. I really knew like nothing. So I was just like, I don't know. I like them, I respect them. They had amazing things to say about taking the L tap. And I was just like, yeah, I'm signing up. So I actually first came to that course in Phoenix two years ago, being like, I actually don't have any idea what I've done.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

You don't know me, don't know what to expect.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

I love that. Yeah, I think, you know, I'd started following you on social media too, but I largely was like, I don't know, I'm into visceral stuff. It, you know, I respect these other providers, like I'm just going. And, you know, so I think I largely landed in the course, like looking for what was my the next place to learn, um, and feeling a little intimidated by the Beral Institute. And, you know, had a bunch of peers who were doing all the listening techniques, and I had taken a listening course not through the Barral Institute, but like someone else. And I was just kind of like, I don't like, I don't know that I that I'm that's a hard entry, honestly. That is a hard entry, super hard entry. It's still I I'm practicing and it still feels hard. Yeah. Um, so um, so I think that was sort of like all those little C then landed me at the LTEP course in Phoenix. And, you know, I think like you talk about a lot in the value of assessment and like really appreciate the like I have a lot of like really like I'm a pretty highly skilled manual therapist and was good at kind of looking outside the box, but would often get sort of stuck or like okay, we're still, you know, like why is your angle dorsiflexion like always, you know.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I've I've always been in the froze you're as predicted, you're like your your internet froze for a second. If I have to keep okay, is it back? Uh yeah, I think so. Okay, hold on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, perfect, of course. Um you froze kind of at the like with the ankle dorsiflexion example of like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yep, right. So, like in that, I you know, anytime anyone needs the same intervention, whether it's an exercise that I'm giving, or like, gosh, every time you come in, I feel like we have to like spend half our session working on getting your ankle dorsiflexion back. Like, that's a place for me I've always been like, I'm missing something, right? If we have to do the same thing over and over, I'm missing something. And and like I feel pretty good. I'm like, like I'm pretty competent, good at doing those manual interventions. And so I think when I came to the LTAP in person, I was like, oh, I mean, not to be totally cliche, but this like, this is the missing link, right? Like, you know, um, this like, oh, okay, maybe the ankle dorsiflexion isn't about ankle dorsiflexion, right? And I think that, you know, I think it's you talk about this paradigm shifting and really getting, you know, I imagine it's your words. And now I say it a lot. So it's probably your words too. But yeah, I'm just like that. That works now in my words too. But all of this, like, as I've shifted my focus, like looking at this like primal system protective patterning, and then using the L tap to figure out what the body's protecting, it just yeah, I mean, it changes everything, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Um, it's it's interesting too. I love that you use the ankle dorsiflexion as an example because sometimes my athletes, you know, a lot of my athletes are like so we talk about like training age, and uh, you know, like you can be a certain you can be any age and be a young training age and or an old training age. And um, I think sometimes like rehab uh physical therapy is a similar thing too. Like my athletes come to me and they're very knowledgeable. They're they have an old training age, if you will, from a rehab standpoint. And so some of the questions they sometimes ask me are great questions. And, you know, if I'm working on their ankle dorsiflexion, they'll ask me, they'll be like, oh, is the joint moving? Because somebody probably told them it wasn't, right? And sometimes I'm like, honestly, like there's other stuff going on. I can't even feel the joint. Like it's it's so uh like your your motion's so limited right now. I can't even get past the soft tissue and the like neural resistance to even test the joint. So it's like I don't sometimes I look at them and I'm like, I don't know what therapist is telling you that your tallerpural joint's not moving because like I'm not I I I think I've improved as a manual therapist, but I I think from a joint mobilization standpoint, I'm still not the best. But I'm also like I don't have to be the best to know that you literally just can't even get to the end heel to like even feel the joint. And so I think that sort of speaks to it too, is like there is just so many layers to it. And it's like sometimes I don't know if they even had a restricted joint until I can kind of peel back the layers of the resistance from the nervous system and the soft tissue tightness, which could be reflexive tightness from this protection pattern, or it could be like actual tightness from the muscles from an overuse standpoint, or not overuse, but like from an activity standpoint, um hypertrophy standpoint. I'm like, I'm like, and then I can actually get to the joint. But before I get rid of those layers, like it's hard for me to tell somebody if their joint truly is stiff or not. Yeah. I just that just made me think of it. I'm like, oh yeah, that's a yeah, I don't even know how people can tell if that's totally. But I think, I mean, and you know, like, as in the industry, so many people just mobilize the tallocurl joint because they're like, oh, it's lacking dorsiflexion. There's no sensitivity in their hands to even feel if it's joint tissue nervous system. And so it's like they just see it as the ankle joint and like do a mulligan mob with movement because that's what everybody does.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I think I certainly was in that camp of like, okay, you're you know, and looking at soft tissue and looking at that, but then that piece of like really looking up the chain and like finding the flow, like, oh yeah, maybe actually it's like that's increasing a concussion you had had five years ago. And you know, that like maybe that's the restriction. And I think that, you know, I love like I think I'm pretty smart, and like I love that, like, okay, but I'm gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Oh, your internet. Uh-huh. Die phrase again. Yeah. Dang internet.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Small town, small mountain town internet. Um, but yeah, I think I like that, you know, this like balance of being like, okay, I'm really good at like thinking about it. And you know, again, I use your words a lot of like, I can make up a story and it's just a story. And so, like, let's ask your body. And then it's just so interesting to watch people be like, you know, oh yeah. Yes. Then they remember the actual thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that again, you know, helps a lot with the buy-in too of people being like, whoa, this person, you know, again, in like my new relaunching my business, like, oh, she really like knows what she's talking about, you know, in a sense of like she's finding things that I didn't even mention. And I'm like, right, sure, I kind of know what I'm talking about. And I'm just really following your yeah, and also your body's telling me exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

But that is like in terms of like the business piece, as you said, of like building your business so fast, like that is a huge, that is a huge buy-in from your patients when that happens. In fact, I had a physical therapist yesterday text me. He had he's he just took the class in Eugene. That so I taught in March. And um, he texted me, he's like, Hey, remember that patient I told you about that had the I can't even remember what pain it was, like maybe neck pain. I don't know. Like, we'll just say neck pain for the sake of something. Um he's like, but her body took me to her uterus and she forgot she had she forgot she told me, or she told me she forgot to tell me that she had a hysterectomy years ago. And he's like, So I treated around her pelvis and then her pain went away. He's like, she actually recently, he works at a normal clinic. He's like, she actually recently ran out of insurance visits, but she's so impressed with me she wants to continue and pay cash. And I was like, Yeah, exactly. Like that's that's the thing. Like when the patient knows that you look at things differently and get results, like it's not that he just discovered that you know something was going on with her pelvis from her hysterectomy, but it's like that led to the decrease of pain. That's when the patient's like, oh my gosh, this guy really knows what he's talking about. And it's like so powerful. And then it does prove to you, you're like, yeah, people will come see you, people will pay a lot of money because they're so they're you like if I'm annoyed with the mediocrity of the industry, like the patients are like even more annoyed with it. Like, and so it's and you know, and he's somebody who is like eventually wants to like start his own business. And so I was like, Yes, that's proof. That's proof that you can, and people will pay you.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

So totally, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that that's right. So many clinicians who want to start their own practice are like, well, I'll do it when I have this certification, or like I'll do it when, you know, like, you know, we're sort of just like, okay, I'm just not good enough. So I'm gonna just keep chasing different things. And you know, I guess to your like, if I was if someone was on the fence about following this work and like desiring to be on that, like, I want to open my own clinic, or even if you don't, you just want to like up level your skills. Like, I have taken a lot of continued education, and I feel like the LTAP has just like taken it to a place that I'm getting results faster, and people are just like, wow, you really see the whole picture. And I think, like, just like you just said, like people are so willing to pay to feel better. And but you have to still get the results quickly. Like, someone's not gonna come, you know, two times a week for six weeks and pay out of pocket. Um, but I think like, yeah, I mean, I have people that are still driving the two and a half hours from Seattle to come and see me where I live, live now. Um and they're like, who else, who else can I see? And I'm like, you know, thankfully you did the class in Tacoma. So there's a couple people I left.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

But some people are like, we like you, and we would rather just go with you. And I'm like, and this is a thing too, because it there used to be this. Um, I don't know if you've ever experienced experienced this in your career, but I remember people would come when I lived in Phoenix, people would come like very from very far away to see us. And sometimes they'd be like, Oh, it feels really good, but then like the hour drive back to wherever, like it it does like things go back a little bit, but it's still like to them, it was like still worth it. Like it was like, you know, they'd come to the they'd feel bad, they come to the appointment, feel better, but then like, you know, it it was always increasing how they felt, but it wasn't sticking a little bit. And so there was always this thought process of people when they called for appointments. Like, if you if if it was really far away, it was always like, especially if it was back pain, it was kind of like away in the well, I can help you, but then the sitting in the car for that long, is that gonna like reverse it? Is it worth your money? Is it worth your time? And it's like when we're using the LTAP and we're following the body and the treatments are sticking, then it's like, oh no, yeah, you can actually drive two and a half hours and still get a lot out of it. Um, not even a lot out of it, you will get everything out of it. It's just going to be five hours of your time plus the plus the the cost of the trip, right? So it's like a day, you know, you're losing a day from a financial standpoint, but you know, from a results standpoint, yeah, they're they're gonna stick no matter if you, you know, drive 20 minutes to the appointment or two and a half hours to the appointment. So that's really cool. Yes, yeah, for sure. I mean, and that's like what I experienced with athletes, right? Like I could fly across the country for them and treat them one time, they felt great for the whole week. They go, they played in the game, of course. Football hurts, so something would hurt, maybe not the same thing, something different. And I'd go back to see them the following week or two weeks from then, and the things I worked on still were improved. And I was like, Yeah, like before I before I had an assessment skill to listen to the body like this and like have the body dictate the the treatment sequence, that was not happening at all.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, yeah, like you said, the the trust in the efficacy of the treatment, like, you know, just for me, even as a clinician, is like huge. And you know, there's there are definitely sessions where I'm like, people are like, this happened, and I'm like, wow. Like I, you know, like I sort of hoped that would happen. But I think that's one of the like kind of cool things too, and probably part of what just like keeps me in the LTAP world is like I still am amazed by the body, you know, so many times you're just like I'm amazed. I'm like, what? Right. You're like, wait, the body led me here and we did this, and like it worked, you know? Yeah, it's a little bit of like, wow, that's so cool. And like it's also cool from you know, I know you talk a little bit about doing stuff virtually, and like I've had, you know, friends reach out and be like, I'm dying. What do I do? And I'm like, all right, go find your partner and let's walk through some different things and yeah, and they're better, like without even me putting hands on or you know, anyone putting hands on sometimes and just guiding different mobility or regenerate, you know, just different things like where the body wants. And I think I love that too, that like your courses are open to so many different like movement professionals and like bodywork people. It just like so proves this. Like, if you start in the right place, it does, you know, like it doesn't matter. I just think that's like so empowering, like both for me, but also for me, like yeah, like giving exercises to patients of like, yeah, you know, I mean, so many times you're like, you know, we as PTs are like people suck at doing their exercises. And I'm like, now my story is like, well, we sort of suck at giving exercises.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

I'm like, we know what to do. Yeah, they're um not into wasting their time. Like if it doesn't totally work, they're not gonna do it. Like, and also like, would you? Like, not me.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Yeah, yeah, no, me neither. And that's what you know, I'm always talking to people of like, we're gonna do this, and here's why. And if you don't like it, like, or it doesn't change anything, like throw it out. You know, that's on me to help give you exercises that are actually gonna move the needle. And I think that gives also patient patients autonomy and empowerment when they're like, oh, cool. Like, and I'm also not spending 30 minutes doing bridges and clamshells, like you know, I'm doing sometimes 30 minutes, but often less, and like they feel the difference. And I just think that's also great for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

I know I'm always like, guys, if it doesn't move, like if it doesn't change things, throw it out. I don't want to waste your time. And also, like, even if it's still the right spot, I've got 50 other interventions that I can give you for that spot. That will maybe be more powerful. I was like, I'm just gonna give you my favorite one or the one that I'm like is on my brain first today for whatever reason. I was like, but like I promise you, I always tell them I was like, I have literally over a thousand videos of exercises. Like, I've got a lot to pick from. So we do not have to be married to this. I was like, at all. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Yeah. And I think that's so refreshing for patients too, to be like, oh, okay, like I have some control over what I'm doing. And like, um, you know, yeah, I guess, like I just said, it's like both empowering for me, but also empowering to the patients, and then like everybody's winning because of that.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

I love that. And what you said too is um, you know, what's keeping you in the LTAP world, and like um is just like crazy results that you see on a regular basis, it like still surprises you. And I feel the same way. Like I a couple podcasts ago, I shared about the one of the new guys that came to see me having well, he said back pain, but it was sacrum pain, and it turned out he had passed a um kidney stone. And when I when I realized that his pain was visceral and related to urogenital organs, I had asked him a uh way uh way different questions, you know. So I started asking him about more like pelvic health um function questions around um incontinence and um uh erectile function and like arousal and like sensation in that area and things I don't normally ask my patients um unless I'm I'm taken to that spot. Um and uh, you know, and we uncovered like, oh yeah, he was having a ton of those symptoms. And um, and when I when he described everything he was feeling, I was just like, oh wow, like I might have to refer you to a pelvic health physical therapist because I'm not I I know I know I can change things orthopedically, I know I can treat things viscerally, but you might have like some deeper layers going on that that we might need assistance for. And I told him that I was like, hey, like let's be curious to see what changes after this first session. And then if I need to refer you to other people, I I want to because these things you're experiencing, like you might not realize they're a big deal right now, but like these are a big deal for the quality of your life and just like you as an organism of like hierarchy, like these are these are actually very high priority. And so he came in for his second visit um last week, and he's like, I felt amazing. He was like, All of those things have improved, and I was like, What? I was like, that's crazy. Like, I was like, I mean, I'm glad, and I I got surprised, but I was also like, wow, like to one treatment, one treatment in the right place, which his ureter wasn't even the primary layer, it was I think it was central nervous system, I can't remember, but um it it's it was mind-blowing to me that like all of those functional things could change like literally so quickly. And again, so like just like you, I'm like every I'm amazed, I'm amazed at what they end up telling me of what actually changed after their visits. Because obviously I'm checking all the objective things, so I know I changed things, like I know I made a change, but like the functional things, yeah, you don't know that often until they have a few days of living in their body afterwards, and then you're like, wow, but yeah, yeah, totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

And I actually love like just that you brought up like pelvic health stuff because like I do pelvic health and I do some internal work, but honestly, most of the pelvic floor work that I do is not intravaginal, intravectal, internal pelvic work. Like this, I think actually it was you did an interview at some point with Nicole Cozin, and this like if the if this system, the pelvic system is failing, it's like a sign of something else failing too. And I just think the number of like people with like you know, pelvic pain, urinary incontinence, urgency, like that whole bucket of symptoms changes by following the L tap. And then, yes, sometimes there's a need for more direct internal work and like so much it's not, you know. And so I think even for people who are like getting pelvic health patients before referring them to a pelvic health PT, if that's not what you do, like I would really encourage that person to like follow that first and then and see what's left, because I do think in the pelvic health world, do we people become too pelvic health focused and then they don't look at the whole system? And I mean, that's been like such a game changer for me and for the people that have like failed pelvic floor PT, you know, just like everything. It's just like it's their system is broken down and it's just showing up there. So I, you know, yeah, yeah, I yeah, I definitely agree.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Like, I'm always like I always tell any like anybody with that what whatever they're coming in with. I'm like, well, I'm not sure. Like, I don't know, but let's see where your body takes us and let's see what happens. And then if it doesn't happen the way I would like it, yeah, I'm gonna send you to other people. And for PM, I was like, yeah, I'm like pelvic four, but I'm also like, and I told him I was like, but every pelvic physical therapist is not the same. I was like, so if we do go that route, I'm going to be very specific who I send you to. I was like, which means I'm gonna call Nicole. I was like, but um, I I was like, yeah, and it and it is, I think too. I mean, I get so many pelvic health therapists that come through the LTAP. And I think it's, you know, one, it's an easy sell because you already see how visceral viscera refers to musculoskeletal stuff. Like it's a it's a no-dah um connection. And so it's like I don't have to convince people that uh that are in that field that the viscera is causing musculoskeletal pain and dysfunction. Um, but it's always surprising to me when they do come in the class and they're like, oh, I I don't feel comfortable treating the rest of the body. And I'm like, what? But then also, or they're so used to patients coming in with the functional stuff and them treating, like, I guess through like an algorithm or a logarithm of like if somebody comes within continence, these are the things you do and check internally or whatever. What that I'm like, well, if somebody comes with a continence, like, aren't you still looking at like their ankle mobility and their pelvic mobility and like their breathing and they're and they're like, oh no, because they're like, Well, how do I know if it helped in the session? I'm like, Well, I'm hoping you're checking some objective things too. Like, and they're like, Oh, I don't, and I'm like, Okay, well, that's what we need to. I was like, Yes, whether you use the LTAP or not, or wherever you treat, I was like, Yeah, even when you're doing your internal work, I would suggest you start checking some objective things other than like so you know that you did something.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

I was like, Yeah, because yeah, if you're relying on them reporting how they feel function and how they're functioning, I was like, man, patients are really un like unreliable narrators in of their story, and they and they forget things or they don't say things because they don't think it's relevant. I was like, so if you're relying on them to then determine if you did a good job or not for them, I'm like, that's yeah, not great. So yeah, yeah, it's been interesting. It's been interesting for sure. But I'm like, yeah, functional stuff, sure, I can help that. Like early on when I started practicing this way too, I had somebody who was having like heart heart palpitations and was like, that wasn't their primary thing they were coming to me for. It was more of like they were coming to me for I don't even know, shoulder pain, let's say, and I treated um their thorax and like some thoracic organs, not even the heart, like I think it was like pleura or something like that, and like some stuff around the facets at T6, and then they came in the next time. They're like, Oh my gosh, since I've treated you, I've had no heart palpitations. I was like, that's amazing. Yeah. Whereas their doctor wanted it to do like a like um surgical, like a procedure to like ablate their, you know, like electrical system. And I'm like, wow, that's crazy. Like, I just like what? So it just, yeah, there's so many functional and physiological things that we can improve through the structure of the body um in this work. And it's just again, like having the LTAP to like direct us where to go. It is a cascade of their systems and how it adjusts is just like again, like the body's innate ability to heal itself and regulate itself is so powerful and smarter than I'll ever be. And so it's like, yeah, just let it do its thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah. I feel that, yeah. Every day it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Every day it is awesome. I love yeah. I I'm like, I told somebody, I was like, you know, for me, I mean, this is a little off topic, but it kind of speaks to the like how each patient just brings you so much joy because you're in awe of the body the whole time and like how things can change and how everything's connected. Um and having a hybrid business like I do, of like treating in person and then also doing you know, more business education stuff. It's hard for me sometimes to sit down and do the business and education stuff because I love I enjoy it. Like I love teaching people and I love like hearing from you all that you get to experience clinically what I get to experience, which is this awe and joy and like just inspiration from how amazing the body is. Like, but it's like a dopamine hit uh in a in a sense, you know what I mean? Like it's like it's such a dopamine hit to get results for people, but then I think the true dopamine hit part of it is to constantly be in awe of uh humans and being, and uh so it's like as a procrastinator too, like it's easy for me to fill up my schedule with like, especially now that I have access to all these like navy buds guys. I was like, I would I would happily fill my schedule up with all these guys for free, like not even like paying my normal rates just because it's like a drug for me, like it is so fun to see where it's I think about my past and like how draining patients were and I'm like I I literally don't feel that anymore. Even when I get the occasional person with a complex case that's uh the card, it's not draining anything anymore because I I just get to be in awe of how the body is, it's let it do its thing, and so I'm like, what a cool one I want for everybody. Like to think it will yes, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Did I freeze by there?

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Yeah, it's awesome. But um, yeah, is there anything if the oh yeah, you I my my V internet said unstable too, so I'm like it's a full moon.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Yeah, totally, yes, yes, yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, I think I yeah, it's been great to like chat and it's just fun, you know. I also just it's fun knowing that there are more people doing more of this and like supporting people in such a more fundamental way and just being as a total like witness or outsider. Like it's cool to see people doing it differently and like shifting the paradigm and like it's all yeah, it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Yeah, the yeah, I agree. Well, um I really appreciate you taking the time to chat with everybody and share your thoughts. And um, I'm gonna drop in the comments on the Facebook group, but then also in the show notes uh how to connect with you. Is your Instagram appropriate? Okay, yeah, yeah, that's great. Okay, cool, yeah, yeah, it's awesome. Yeah. Um, well, um, it's great to see you. I'm stoked to hear that business is growing in your new spot. And um I'll see you in like a month. No, yeah, like a month, right? Yeah, yeah. So far, we have a small group, mainly because I've done a terrible job of um emailing people about the course. So um hopefully we'll get a few more. But if not, that's fine. We'll have a small group and we get to play even more and it'll be really, really cool. So uh yeah, awesome. I'm excited. All righty. Well, um, happy springtime, hopefully, in your neck of the woods. Yep, yep, definitely. And uh we'll see you in a few weeks. All right, sounds good. Have a great day. All right, thank you, too. Bye bye. Yep, bye.