Galaxy Quest / Revenge of the Ricky Maths (Guest: Derek McFadden)

Novelist (The Santa Claus Agreement), and literary editor Derek McFadden 'Zooms' in to hit the turbo, and talk  "Galaxy Quest" (1999) Starring Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Enrico Colantoni, and Daryl Mitchell. We discuss if it would be better to "make it," as one note, or not at all. The rise of Sam Rockwell. The minefields of fandom, stardom, and space. Why Paul prefers Trek to Wars (and how to reach him.).  And we celebrate our shared love of thoughtful gift giving live during the recording! 

Plot: The alumni cast of a space opera television series have to play their roles as the real thing when an alien race needs their help. However, they also have to defend both Earth and the alien race from a reptilian warlord.

Recorded 2/23
1hr 57mins

Transcript

Cool. Well, that's neat. This immediately brings the stress level down even though this is our first time recording via Zoom. So forgive us for any fuck ups here. But I can even I'll forgive you.

I'll forgive you. Thank you. Derek Derek McFadden's with us. He happens to be Ben McFadden. No relation.

No relation. Oh. Yeah. No. I'm Paul.

Ben's here. He found me off the street. I'm just a random Actually random. Not related to used to tell me that I was, found in a dumpster behind a Weight Watchers and that my real mother's name is Norma Jean Fardenshinkle. This is amazing.

My own heart. And then I told I told him not to ask our parents because my mom was ashamed of it. It's all logical too is the good part. That that theme was by Jamie Henwood, by the way. I almost let it escape me, but not quite.

Today, we have Derek McFadden with us. He brought us a movie, a movie called Galaxy Quest, and we're gonna do what we always do. We take a movie that's seven years old or older, not a random movie from a large franchise or huge IP, something that someone holds dear or wants to think differently about. And in this case, we have the movie Galaxy Quest 1995 09/1999. I did that.

Sci fi comedy. Got it on the first try. That feels great. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna go over the experience of the movie and break down how everybody feels and just have a a good time. Good old fashioned talk around.

Just don't Can it be a hoedown, or is are are we allowed to do hoedowns in here? Boys. Are we allowed to do hoedowns? Is it can it be a hoedown? Possibly.

Derek, would you like to Okay. It's weird talking to you in this professional way because I've never I know. But would you like to, tell the fine listeners in Frankfurt, who are might might not be listening to this? Right, Roo International, baby. Who you are and, what you do?

I'm Derek McFadden. I write books. I have two novels out now, What Death Taught Terrence and The Santa Clause Agreement. I am also an editor. I edit books.

My website is DerekMcFaddeneditor.com, but I also love movies. You know, sometimes I don't like movies, but this one, I'm okay with. I can understand. And, I love the joy that I'm hearing too. Yeah.

Yes. Oh, yes. The first time I saw this movie, you have to know that, that we have younger siblings, Ben and I, who are, so my sister Katie is ten years younger than me, and my sis and my brother James is thirteen and a half years younger than me. Nineteen ninety nine, I would have been 17 and Ben's thirteen. We are at our mom's house, and somebody says, let's go watch a movie.

Our choices that they could watch either Galaxy Quest, which nobody had heard anything about because the marketing for this movie was terrible, or Stuart Little or the Rugrats movie. And I I cannot tell you how look. I love Michael J. Fox, but I cannot tell you how much I did not wanna watch Stuart Little Second time or the Rugrats movie. Second time Stuart Little has come up in this podcast.

At least the second. Yeah. Big Big big huge Laurie fans. The doctor is in. So I got people to say yes to Galaxy Quest.

And it was really yes to Galaxy Quest because of Tim Allen. They had just finished home improvement. So at that point, like, Tim Allen had done Toy Story. Toy Story two was about to come out or had just come out. I I didn't know anybody else that was in it.

And I remember sitting down and being like, this is actually really good. My main issue when I watched it the first time is I was watching it with my mother. I love my mom. She will laugh at anything. Yeah.

She will laugh at anything. Derek, so Is she there? Yeah. Crap. But, Derek, you're not all that different from our mother.

That well, that is true. I mean, I did laugh I did laugh most of the way through, what dreams may come, but that was for a different reason. Is it because you used it with the jacket? Yeah. Hey, Paul.

I wanted to tell you I wanted to tell you, I found that jacket on an online auction that had already been run. They were asking $1,500 for it. I They got $750. I had sent that Somebody owns the jacket. I sent that I sent that link to Paul.

There's no price I would not pay to look like my Somebody owns the jacket. Just ripped and built. Firstborn child? Yes. No problem.

Anything but the cat. Anything but the cat. Let's talk about our first experiences to go along with that. I do not remember going to see this movie in the theater. You're not gonna be with us.

Greg Kwan. You're a real I know. Tiny baloney. It's it's a it's a combination of things. I think mostly, I've seen a lot of movies in the theater, but also I've seen this movie a lot.

And so it's it's really hard for me to pinpoint exactly, I guess, seen in the theater. Who knows what? I was also 13 and full of hormones and sperm. So I think they used it in this movie to protect people while they were in space. Sperm.

Cool. Yeah. That's all gross. I don't know. Yeah.

The visual and the noise were so pleasant. What? And it's like people were just stuck in cum bubbles, essentially, which is is my favorite. Here we go. We're going full throttle.

I'm holding down on the turbo button, I guess. Turbo time. Yes. You are. You can't hold it down.

It's the it's the first small burst. I guess, should I talk about my first experience? Doing what? Yeah. Seeing this movie.

Yeah. Exactly. What are we talking about? Promise. Seeing this movie is what I'm gonna talk about.

Okay. He's he is crossing his fingers, everybody. What? We're gonna find out we're gonna find out what Paul actually is. Wow.

What a snitch. Sorry. This is not gonna do the rest of the podcast. Oh, okay. Not doing that again.

It did not. No. Somewhere in time was the episode that that happened, but also in the past. How come the bad ones just keep haunting us? It is Somewhere in time.

Beautiful movie. Beautiful. Beautiful movie. Did I tell did I tell anyone that someone before I go over my experience, someone before I was kinda ramping up the social media as I try to do by the way, don't hesitate to follow us. Review x two podcasts on Instagram.

Follow us on the Instagram and Alright. See some clever little, you know, posts that we make, and you'll find out what our next, movie that we might talk about is. And Oh. We'll all be friends online and not anywhere else. We're friends with Online friends.

As well. We normally are friends with our guests. They follow us. We follow them. So if you're interested in what our guests do, for instance, Derek is a novelist Yes.

If you're interested in what he's talking about, follow our Instagram. You'll be able to find it. Also, if you want to email us, I tell you what, the first person that emails us, that is not Derek or me or Ben, that uses the code word cum bubble, I will ship you a poster that is signed by some celebrities from a movie You are gonna get so much porn. You know, I've always set us up to fail horribly. I've always thought that I was a better person than Adam Carolla.

But Well, yeah. Sorry, doctor Drew. Welcome to Loveline. I think that's as far as I can go. There is a good amount of ADR.

They did wanna go to the lengths that I just have taken it. Yes. True. Well, they they wanted an r rated movie. But Sorry.

Let's have Paul, go for it. My dad rented this movie and was just jazzed out of his mind about it. And I think he'd Oh. Seen it on a date or with friends or by himself. I don't know.

But he was just jazzed about it, and I watched it. Didn't know at that point, I was watching the menthol Sam Rockwell and was just so enthralled with him in the performance and didn't take a lot else out of it outside of, like, oh, Sigourney Weaver is so hot Yeah. As, Ben and I were talking about. Wait. Did anyone else know that was a wig?

It's really good. She kept the wig. She liked it so much. She kept it. It looks great.

It actually looks like real hair. I you could have fooled me if somebody said, like, no. We just went to great lengths to make her hair look that good. I would have been like, I I buy that. Yeah.

She wore it around sometimes just to see if she got treated differently, and she enjoyed wearing it. Yeah. That's it looks great on her. She pulls it off. But I watched it on VHS, I think, at that point.

And Oh, yeah. They saw VHS. Ninety nine. Yeah. Really Yeah.

They barely did, but they did. Yeah. Yeah. Really enjoyed it because it, like, it seems like with everybody else, like, on the Tim Allen v, Tim Allen weekend or, you know, back to back, whatever of it all with Toy Story two. Nice.

Toy Story two was my jam, and Galaxy Quest slipped through the the cracks. What is happening? Crack. Speaking of Tim Allen, could nicotine That's right. Just haven't before we move on, I just have to mention the Ricky Gervais joke from, like, Golden Globes where he goes, our next two presenters.

The first one is a award winning director, actor, and producer, has starred in such films as Saving Private Ryan, Forrest Gump, and Big. And the other is Tim Allen. Fucking great. It's so funny to me. He's in Wild Hogs, and his the Wild Hogs.

The role to stars in the movie, his name is Woody. And I'm like, you're always playing second second fiddle to Woody, bro. Like, always, either way. I remember really liking the movie. I've seen it.

This was my fourth time ever watching it. I think maybe second time ever really watching it and hadn't watched it in well over a decade and had a good time. I have a question that's a very Paul question because for this movie, were you stoned when you watched it? And it makes it better, probably. I I was for the first half of it of the first watch.

No. The the first half, you were twenty two hours. It three times. I'm just kidding. I watched it once after the first four times.

So no. Okay. I watched it one time, but I was stoned, for the first half of it, which, like, also makes when the aspect ratio changes a couple times. Twice. Dude.

Yeah. It is so cool. Yeah. Yes. It is the Thank you for asking, Derek.

Yes. I was high, and it did enhance my experience, sir. The craziest thing to know is that nobody told the projectionist of that big aspect ratio change when he sees space. So some of them didn't know that, so they didn't open the curtain enough. So the movie was playing on the curtains.

Yeah. So after that, they had to send a note that said, be ready for this. It's gonna happen. Yeah. Well, I don't understand why didn't did theater managers not know or were the projectionists I guess nobody said anything.

Me. Yeah. And we're just like, yeah. Whatever. All projectionists are Paul.

Uh-oh. I feel like Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I feel like before we, move on, there's something really important that I need to do. Please.

Oh. Uh-oh. I have some things for you, Paul. They're numbered? You have to open them okay.

So dear listener, I just handed Paul a couple of gifts. They are, generically wrapped from Amazon. So you must work Okay. Open them in the order. What does the tag say, Paul?

Paul, there's something on the wing from big bro Mac. I gotta ask as it was, it was on the fact sheet that you wanted to it noted that you were Ben's brother, and I felt like he was your favorite host. But now I'm feeling like maybe I'm the favorite host. Now you may be speaking you may be speaking too soon. Just wait.

You'll see. No. Richard Matheson's I don't but it is the Twilight Zone, so that's pretty sweet. It's the it's the Twilight Zone. There's two more by Richard Matheson.

Edited by Stanler Stanley Wyatter, which I I don't know if that's a big deal, but it seems to be to the publisher. If you don't remember saying, Paul, on the podcast that you liked the that you liked the, Twilight Zone by Richard Madison. So I found that for you. Okay. Thank you.

I feel like I'm getting, like, I'm getting, like, revenge pranked or something. I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. I I'm not sure you will enjoy this gift, but you now definitely own it from the original McFadden Brothers. Okay.

I'm one named Jeff Bezos. Yeah. No no worries. Oh, only the best from Bezos, so it's gotta be good. No.

It is, No. You know what, Derek? It is And I mean this from the bottom of my butt. Never met the man. Hate him.

I'm not talking about Richard Matheson right now. It's it's somewhere in time by Richard Matheson. In time. The book itself, baby. Alright.

Number three. Gift either, but you own this one too from original recipe. Because I don't if you have to either rank the kernel or higher if I'm in the back of my throat. Yeah. That's the only kind of kernel that can be in there.

I'm having trouble. Okay. Bubble. No. What dreams may I'm a novelist.

This is awful. Guess what? Hey. I gave you one good gift. Enjoy it.

We'll finish the episode because Derek is on the Zoom, but this is it. It's the end of an era. The show's over. Are you too happy with yourselves? Well, I Oh, man.

I I didn't actually know what they were, but I had my assumptions. I that was great. That was very clever. Thank you. I will probably read the Twilight Zone Scripts book, actually.

Let's What will you do with the other two? That's my question. Gift. The other what you were saying before I rudely talked to Orie was what will I do with the other two? I may regift Yeah.

The, somewhere in time to either Benner or to Burris because they both Oh. Then they might wanna read it. The other one is going straight to hell. I'm Bernie. Yeah.

I love that we have enough episodes. We can have a Refer back. We have a recap episode. Yeah. Remember back then That was the best $50 I ever spent.

It's just now a recurring joke is haunting me. It's karma. Episode, of course, is by the letter r m letters r m, which stands for Richard Madison. Oh, no. So thank you Yeah.

For bringing this episode to Paul. Dicky math, I couldn't never met him? Yeah. The way that you put this all together, you got it all to add up is just huge. That dick that dick math is huge.

Great job. The son of math. Oh, man. Come on. Moving on.

Let's move up to this movie. So before we move on to the fact sheet, how are you doing, Paul? I'm doing Yeah. How are you doing now? I'm doing pretty well.

I had a good time with that joke. I thought it was really fun. Yeah. And then outside of that, I've been doing my thing in terms of watching stuff and rating things, and we'll get into that. Letterboxd.

Yeah. Letterboxd. Great app. You should get it. Yeah.

Paul acts badly. Check it out. You can see some of the things I've been watching. I forgot to register a horror movie that I'd watched on Peacock called Sick that actually revolved around the COVID nineteen pandemic, which not a lot of stuff does. Interesting.

Kinda worked. Gave it three stars. Enjoyed it. Rewatched a great music mockumentary that Chris Rock did in the nineties called CB four. If you like pop star, that sort of a thing.

Yeah. That's good. And also, watched a movie called Tucker with Jeff Bridges that Francis Ford Coppola made about the car, the Tucker. Yeah. And, really enjoyed that.

And in terms of shows, I may have mentioned it. We I think we did mention it on the last episode. Poker face on Peacock. Yeah. It's what Tucker I watched in high school.

I watched it way, way, way back and basically forgot it other than the Tucker torpedo, and then it was about a guy that had a car company. I have been, watching, a little show on the HBO called The Last of Us Mhmm. Which is great. I'm all caught up right now, so that's awesome. I wanna get into poker face.

I just I watch all the Abbott Elementary I can because Abbott Elementary is hilarious. Oh, great. Great. It's just so funny. She does such a great job.

They they all do. And and the and the new Quantum Leap. I grew up with Scott Bakula and Quantum Leap, so I'm all I'm all over the new one. There are no bad episodes. Yeah.

I remember this. No throwaways, period. If somewhere in time then it would be a bad episode. Yeah. Catch it catch that song, by the way, on our review review soundtrack on Spotify.

I think if Scott Bakula was in somewhere in town, it might be good. I don't know. But yeah. Actually, they they you actually bring a good point. If he had left into if Scott Bakula was inside of Christopher Reeve, that would be a good movie.

Woah. That's interesting. Bubbles. I was gonna say it, but it it's your podcast. I'll let you say it.

The fact that this is a PG movie and it's so easy to make so many sexual references to things in the movie Yeah. I have been also well, I've also been watching The Last of Us, which I'm thoroughly enjoying. It's one of my favorite video games, and it's a very strong adaptation. I've been watching The Offer on, Paramount. Okay.

I watched that. So Making of Godfather. It's a little romanticized, a little dramatized, but it's I enjoy it. I saw Ant Man and the Wasp in the quantum lost in Quantumania, Quantumania, whatever in the theater. And?

The Marvel machine is broken, y'all. That should Mhmm. Not it's broken. It's too much for me, and it's like and I haven't seen the last several movies and a lot of the TV shows. And I'm actually pre giving up on the Mandalorian because I had had to watch book of Boba Fett to understand a couple certain storylines.

And it's like, no. I don't I don't wanna do that. I just don't want to. Yeah. And it's and Mandalorian, I don't wanna put it on a shelf, but I also feel like it's I watch a lot of shit.

So I I gotta draw the line on some some stuff that Yeah. Contomania looked like a Spy Kids movie. Oy. Again, we're bringing up Spy Kids. But let's get back to this movie, Galaxy Quest.

If you heard that, that's me with the fact sheet. Yeah. Nice. You got a whole fact sheet. It's like it's under and windy.

It is. Like, it is here. Galaxy Quest is Dreamworks. One of Dreamworks' first new company at the time. Yeah.

Right at PG, which I think was, done in post. Thank you, ADR. It was. Automated dialogue replacement as we talked about where an actor goes into a soundproofed room and replaces words. I don't think it actually helps it, Dean.

But, I mean, it's fine, but I think it would have been better as a PG 13 movie. Yeah. Yeah. I think they were gonna go for r originally, though. That was their original hope is to get an r rating.

I think Spielberg specifically who, was there a couple of days wanted it toned down because they wanted to go against Rugrats and Stuart Little, and they wanted to do it for kids. So that's why they did that that way. You know, for kids. Do it for the kids. It's a hour and forty two minutes.

It's a good length. That's what she said. Yep. Waiting for someone to say that. Director is Dean Parasol.

Read to Bill and Ted Face the Music and some TV. Writers are David Howard, who did this, and it goes by Bob Gordon, a series of unfortunate Oh, Bobby g. Yeah. Bobby g. He likes Bobby g.

Bobby g. Bobby g. The director of photography is Jersey Zielinski, Dodgeball, the SpongeBob movie, Powder in the January. Powder. I recently watched the January, man.

Side note, it is a Kevin Kline movie, and I would like to read everyone my Letterboxd review. Oh, no? Okay. Excited about following me on Letterboxd because I write good reviews. Actually, you know what?

Ben, will you read my review for the January Man from 1989? The January Man, two stars. My time is not valuable, clearly. Follow me. Oh, absolutely.

The amount of times I go on Letterboxd and see the movies I'll be watching, and I'm like, fuck is he? What how much free time does he have? Why is he choosing this for his time? Like Be happy that I'm doing this and not mailing you DVDs. I mean, if that's the if that's the bar, then, yeah, he's happy, but Yeah.

He feels bad for you. Music is done by David Newman who did Anastasia Shouts. Jingle All the Way, this Turbo Time. Yes. Hell yeah.

War of the Road Hell yeah. And Death to Smoochy. Second Death to Smoochy River. Woah. Podcast.

That's some strong strong creds. Producer Devito. Producer is Charles Neuwirth, Forrest Gump, the American president, Hulk of Marvel. You mean, like, Hulk as in the The bulk of Marvel. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh I'll make you think.

I mean, you'll think about something. And Mark Johnson who did Rain Man, Good Morning Vietnam, and the Narnia series. He also, found he helped get Breaking Bad off the ground. If that Yes. It does it might not say that on his but he did.

He, like, brought up Vince Gilligan. That was actually something I was hoping someone would maybe bring up as I kind of leave little things off the fact sheet. Yeah. And I'm so glad that you brought that up because, like, what an insane achievement. This this is amazing when you think about all that.

This movie stars Tim Allen as Jason. Jason. Jason. Jason. Jason.

Nesmith. Nesmith. Nesmith. Nesmith. As as Yeah.

As commander Taggart. Peter. Quincy. Taggart. Peter.

Quincy. Taggart. We should have included those names on you. Yeah. I thought of that.

Known for home improvement. Mhmm. Let's all do it together. Three, two, one. Mine's terrible.

What was that? You said Mine was horrible. I know mine's bad. I'm I'm not a man, you guys. I'm I'm barely a man.

Tagline for this podcast. I'm barely a man. A man. A couple. Anyway.

Sigourney Weaver as Gwen DeMarco, of course, from Alien and all of the Shouts, aliens. Gorillas in the mist and the Hell yeah. Bad gorillas. Bad gorillas. But, also, Oscar nominated in Aliens.

Sure. Yeah. Saying. Nice. When they originally put out the call for these roles, they didn't want any actors with well known science fiction films because they thought it was Do you know why that was?

Well, they didn't want it to distract. It was originally Harold Ramis. Harold Ramis was the original director. Yeah. He didn't want Tim Allen, and eventually, well, they picked Tim Allen over Harold Ramis.

Well, we'll get into that. But, yeah, I think but that was one they didn't want any science fiction actors to have any previous science fiction baggage. Alan Rickman, RIP. Dude, yesterday was his Total RIP. Would have been his 70 birthday yesterday.

Oh, dude. Hiccups to, Alan Rickman. Always. He plays Alexander Dang. Doctor Lazarus.

Doctor Lazarus. Doctor Lazarus. And from my granddaughter's hammer, was save Don't finish don't don't don't finish that. What are savings? What are savings?

Back to the galaxy and Harry Potter. Tony Shalhoub as Tony Shalhoub. Fred Kwan. Tony Shalhoub, man. What a genius.

Yeah. Mug wings, marvelous miss Maisel. I also added 13 ghosts. Please. Oh, yes.

Please. Yeah. Go you can go on and on. You know, in one of the talks with Dean Pariso, I saw, he was talking about how Tony Shalhoub is a physical genius, like, physical comic genius, like, on par with Chaplin. And the reason that Woah.

The real reason that he cast him was because he felt like the part was incredibly underwritten. Because if you look at, like, things like character has, it's not that many. Tony Shalhoub brought so much more to adjusting behavior, his perspective on things, and the way he like, the care he just created this character out of nothing, really. So he does seem like he's stoned, and he's called out for it, but he seems like he's stoned throughout the movie. Yeah.

And it's The entire time, he's eating snacks with this. The entire time. That's a hell of a thing. It totally works. It totally works.

They're all freaked out. He's like, there that's a hell of a thing. And then when they're all amazed by the ship, his whole thing is like, wow. The floors are so clean. Like, that's all he's got.

Yeah. The they're telling me that the engine can't handle it. It's falling apart. The ship is breaking apart and stuff. Sam Rockwell, first time one of the first times that I took notice of Sam Rockwell.

Same. As guy what's his last name? Anyone? Anyone? Pliegeman.

We gotta be out of here before that thing kills Guy. Kills Guy. The best line. So good. Of course, from Moon, the Hell yes.

Moon's so good. Yeah. By the way, Duncan Green Mile. He's in Green Mile. Shots.

The Green Mile, that was the same year, actually. He he so he shot he shot this after the Green Mile. Wow. And he actually kept turning them down. They, like, they liked him so much.

Galaxy Quest. They kept turning down he kept turning down Galaxy Quest, the offer, because he thought himself the serious actor. And then they kept coming back to him, kept coming back to him, and he finally agreed. I think he's so great in that, like, when we were talking about Tony Shalhoub and his line when he, emerges from his, cocoon. I'll call it a cocoon.

Yeah. Let's let's stop. Emerges from his cocoon, but and then Sam Rockwell, in that moment screams, like, for his life. Scream. And it's like, yeah.

He's so good. Person. Yeah. And he really nails it. You know, he's solid.

I mean, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri, 7 Psychopaths, Iron Man two. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. Teenage Mutant. Five stars. Sally Meineke.

Five stars. Darryl Mitchell? Those are Micheal. Darryl Chill Mitchell. Trevor.

Ten things I hate about you, California incitement. Dean Parasol, the last the only movie he had done before this was Home Price. Darryl Mitchell was in that, and he really he really wanted him for this part. Good. For everyone.

Yeah. The only thing was that he was so much younger than the other actors. So they actually cast him and then decided that they were gonna cast a child to play and, like, make it a thing about the old show, which I always thought was on purpose because of, like, Wesley Crusher. Like, I always thought that was weird, like, the the but, like, in a more exaggerated version of Wesley It works. I don't know that they meant for it, but it totally works in that in that way.

And also the key the kid who played his little little version of himself went on to, like, star side by side with Zac Efron in the, High School Musical. Corbin Bleu. He's he's yeah. Yeah. This guy knows his name.

Yeah. That's awesome. Well done. Enrico Colentoni? Is that how you pronounce it?

Who's just Who is amazing. As well as Veronica Mars, Just Shoot Me AI artificial intelligence. I added some honorable mentions. Go ahead. Can I to that one?

Please. The new season of Party Down is almost upon us. Y'all, I'm so excited. Mhmm. It was a great guest star appearance on Party Down, and that is a goated show It's so good.

That ended nearly perfectly to me. And so I'm very interested to see the third season for a lot of reasons. I like that they're all coming back. Yes. That tells me a lot.

I added some honorable mentions. Of course, Rainn Wilson as Oh, yeah. One of the aliens. Have in my notes. The Thermians?

Thermians. Thermians. Thermians. So he Get them, Derek. Get them.

Thermians. Thermians. Did you know that he got he had to leave set he had to leave this shoot because of the office. Really? He was supposed to have a bigger part than he I didn't know that.

Yeah. He had to leave, to do the pilot of the office. So so Bucks for him, doesn't it? And he still I mean, man. He still hung up.

But, yeah, I mean, like, I think he woulda had a one His bank account would say it didn't suck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Missy Pyle, who plays Jane Doe Yes.

Who people might recognize from, like, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the Tim Burton one. Dodgeball. The great Justin Long. The Yes. First movie for Justin Long.

And my last animal mention is Jeremy Howard, who's his tall, awkward friend. Oh, yeah. He is Donatello in the TMNT Oh. Reboot movies. I have one honorable mention if if you if you're done with your honorable mentions, and that would be Robin Sachs who plays Sarris under all that practical effects.

RIP, by the way. He he passed away in 2013, but, very good as as Sarris. Thank you so much for mentioning him, Derek, so much because I love that performance, actually. And is it's him under all that stuff and his voice? Yes.

Yeah. He does everything. Awesome. Really, really phenomenal work by that guy. Yeah.

He's and the practical effects in this are incredible. So are those those puppets or those or those animatronics or Sarris gets pissed and his, like, little, like, spears pop up from his back or whatever. Yeah. Like, he has all this armor. Is all that armor just part of his body?

Is he just, like, butt ass naked, or is that, like I I think I think he might be. That armor is yeah. I think that armor comes up when he's angry. So, yes, I think so. Yeah.

Because he's almost like a crustacean. Like, a lot of the aliens in this movie kind of seem like they're from sea creatures. Our direction is really good. The production design is really good. The prosthetics and stuff for this.

Who's Oh, that's isn't that Stan Stan Winston? Thank you. Stan Winston people? Yeah. Awards and nominations for this movie, it won Saturn award best actor for Tim Allen.

Hell yeah. I you know, I have to say in watching this, other than animated, other than Toy Stories, this is Tim Allen's best work. Yes. By far. Okay.

What other big swings has he ever taken or or has he been Truth. With? Has anyone seen Red Belt, the David Mamet movie Mhmm. That he did that's, Chiwetel, Eo Jafar is in it as well. It's funny you bring up David Mamet, though, because David Mamet lists this as one of four perfect movies.

Yeah. We'll let you go look at the rest listener, but this is according to playwright, director, writer, David Mamet. No. I mean, one of them is the one of them is the Godfather. So, I mean, how many times have you thought to yourself, man, I wanna watch a perfect movie.

I wanna watch the Godfather followed by Galaxy Quest. I mean, those two are those two are up there, but Sure. The other ones. Yeah. Saturn nominee for every other major category.

The budget is 45,000,000, adjusted 80,800,000.0. Opening weekend was 7,000,000, adjusted 12,600,000.0. It's not great. Gross, North America, 70 1 Point 6 Million, adjusted 128,600,000.0. Gross worldwide, 90.7, adjusted a hundred 62.9.

So it more than doubled its money. And as Derek noted, this was a movie that slipped by me, for instance, because the marketing wasn't great. Sure. Marketing was terrible. You look at the preview for this movie, it looks like a screwball comedy, and they really lean into the Tim Allen of it all, but the but the home improvement Tim Allen of it all kind of.

Mhmm. Instead of what it really is, which is which is a really good Star Trek movie that's hilarious. I totally agree. It does I prefer Star Trek to Star Wars. I just like to say things that, like, it'll make people go, like, that I that are listening.

Just things that I know are. But Definitely add him. Definitely add him for that. Thank you. But this is one of those where if someone told me I am a Star Trek fan, I would direct them toward this Sure.

Movie. Like Oh, yeah. Quickly or or very confidently or what have you as people, oh, I've consumed all of Star Wars. I'm a Star Wars fan. I'm like, oh, where do I send you?

Spaceballs. I don't know. And, yeah, if you want a comedy and they haven't seen Spaceballs, sure, that. Yeah. But outside of that, I don't because tonally and so many things about Star Wars don't The closest thing I would say is Guardians of the Galaxy, the first one.

Oh, fair. Wow. Really good. But but but I see your point for sure. Letterboxd average is 3.7, which seems a little low to me.

That is oh, I would say solid. That's interesting. Yeah. Roger Ewer of the movies gave a thumbs up. The release weekend was 12/26/1999.

Right? That's a big that's a big deal weekend. Yeah. So they had a lot of faith in that. It's great.

Who's not marketing it? Talented Mr. Ripley, Any Given Sunday, and Man on the Moon, the movie that broke Jim Carrey. Man on the Moon. Wow.

This opened seventh behind the aforementioned Toy Story two, another. So, you know, this was a, a great weekend for Tim Allen. So in Toy Story two, this was six weeks in and still holding at four. Wow. Wow.

Top five films from 1999, which we also did a 1999 film, recently, which was, mystery men, which I kept thinking about because that movie looks horrible, and this and this movie looks This is a very good looking movie. It hold like, the look of this movie holds up so incredibly well. Couldn't agree more. And mystery men does not. Couldn't agree more.

The top five films of the year, Star Wars, Phantom Menace, The Sixth Sense, Austin Powers, The Sky Who Shagged Me, other ones, Bicentennial Man, Virus, The Thirteenth Floor, My Favorite Martian, and Wing Commander. And Mystery Man. And And can I note something real quick? Jim Jim West. Esperanto.

Right front. Right. Yeah. The bottom. I'll note something real quick.

Tim Allen had to turn down Bicentennial Man to do this movie, and Robin Williams got the lead part for it. So good call, Tim Allen. You made a correct call. You went with Galaxy Quest over Bicentennial Man. You know, it's interesting.

So first director attached was Hal Ramos. What I understand is there were there was a very long list of people that he wanted starting with what I believe is Kevin Kline, the first choice for Nesmith, and he declined. I just watched January, man, and you said no to this to this. You took this away from me, Kevin Clay. Also, Alec Baldwin was in discussion.

He wanted to do it. Tim Robbins was in discussion. I can't see that, but okay. Ron Williams was in discussion because Harold Reyes had worked with him on Club Paradise. Oh, must have been.

And thought he felt like he had failed because that movie failed. He felt like he had failed Ron Williams' sense of humor, so he wanted to but everybody kept passing. I think, yeah, I I think, Alec Baldwin really wanted to do it. And then there was this conversation of, like, he wanted an action star instead of a comedian. Who could also be funny?

Yeah. Who could also be funny. Who's more of an action star than a guy who dealt cocaine? No one. A guy who knows how to roll and pull a gun.

Who's more of an action star than Santa Claus? He fell a saint Derek, is this part of why you like this movie? You wrote a novel about Santa You know what? I did. The Santa Claus agreement is my novel.

No. I like this movie because it's freaking amazing. But you know what? So so Ramus by the way, if you haven't watched, Never Surrender, a Galaxy Quest documentary, it's on Prime. So good.

It's a really nice it has a lot of the actors come back, but they also use a lot of, you know, the curiosity. Now you have my attention. Are you a colonel? So you could watch Never Surrender, Paul. You could watch Never Surrender, or you could read what dreams may come.

So you you have a choice. What dreams may come is that, apparently, I rank high enough to beat the back of Ben's throat because What what is Are you a current at least he's interested. I don't wanna talk about the subtitle of this episode. It keeps just going down. Yeah.

But, anyway, moving on. We've already mentioned Wing Commander. So Ramis had dinner or lunch with and a producer with with Tim Allen and then started telling Tim Allen why he wasn't right for the role. Which is what you wanna do. Right?

Oh my god. And then next thing Tim Allen knows, Harold Ramis jumped ship. Oh my god. And so then they came back to him. And Dean Barris and I barely done anything, so they just kinda needed a name to attach.

Oh, yes. Originally had a darker tone and then which we cut with a PG rating after test screenings, which is very visible in Oh, darn. Screw that. Sigourney Weaver, Laredo has a couple. I love this piece of information, by the way.

I didn't know this. And I Sam Rockwell based his performance on Bill Paxton for as Private Hudson from aliens, and often drink coffee before to get himself more edgy. You I mean, he he is just so hopped up the entire movie, especially when they're on the alien planet. He has hopped up. Could not agree more.

And I love that it's like, yeah. Totally pull from that performance, not only because it's amazing and from the superior alien movie in that franchise. Alright. But, also, he could literally pull from Ellen Ripley on the set. Yeah.

Like Yep. Like, getting, like am am I on that edge? Am I there? Am I is it too close? I mean, it's it's it's his freak out in the ship when they're going when he's like, I I was gonna stay on the ship, but then I thought I was gonna be the crew member who dies on the ship.

Now I think I'm the crew member who's gonna die on the mission. That that whole freak out. Yeah. On the shuttle? Yeah.

Yes. Yes. And while he's doing that, Tony Shalhoub is just eating eating the the cheese and the the crackers or the Yeah. He's at the little sticks. Wonderful.

He's so, like, out of it. He doesn't even care. I thought he was It's just like I love the Tony Shalhoub of it all because Yeah. That and then he he's the one that opens the door, and Sam Rockwell is like, what are you opening the door for? Is there error?

You don't know. You don't know. So it was just like, it it seems fine to me. Like, that's it. It's like So that was apparently a Tim Allen note or comment about the script that they folded in during shooting or during rehearsal, some sort of something, whatever, and they let, like, you know, the stony baloney guy be like, it's cool, bro.

All good. Seems alright to me. Enrico Colantoni's audition footage was used an example for other actors to behave as the Thermian. His, like, vocal technique that he used, when we need your help well, no. So the walk actually was, one of the other Thermians on set, came up with the walk.

Cool. Okay. The walk is so great considering that there are, like, octopi. Yeah. I mean, it totally works.

He had to, like, teach the extras, and, apparently, they were, like, pretty harsh on some extras who couldn't get it. He didn't know that his footage was used to audition the rest of the thermostat. Thing. Like, they don't that's not They they hadn't offered him a part yet. Oh, wow.

Yeah. That I did I definitely did not know. Wow. That's crazy. But he said that he did his audition, and he was walking out.

And he felt like he didn't leave it all on the stage. And then he turned around and said, I'm sorry. Can I can I just do one more? And they were like, sure. And in that one, he did the we need your help because he's he he I think he's trained.

I think he actually went to Yale, and he has he he uses all seven resonators that you have in your body. And he uses a voice that goes through all of them. Yeah. It does kinda go up and down, and it does carry in a it does feel a little otherworldly. And Yeah.

Also how they're always smiling. Yeah. Because they always wanna seem, like, friendly or not threatening or whatever. Well, they're also really dumb. They're naive.

Naive. Yeah. I mean, they they do they do create start like, they build that ship. They built like, they're not that they're not k. That's not the right word.

They're naive is a better word. You're right. You do you think it was intentional that they were they made all this technology themselves, and they needed just a confident white man to be like, oh, just press this button longer or just do that because they said, we build all this stuff. We just I don't think it's a confident I I think that they they I thought they were poking fun at that how that always is Perhaps. But they idolize these people because obviously.

So, if if anybody can operate this ship, it it's it's them. And, and these clear they clearly need help because Saris is kicking their ass. True. I love that Sarris is a reference to to the movie critic Andrew Sarris. Fuck.

Like, some author or some writer was just like, fuck that guy and put his name in. That's funny. That's funny. The NTE on the whole of the ship of the protector stands for not the enterprise. I think is Yeah.

That's good. So apparently There's a reason for it. Yeah. They put it NTE, not the enterprise, in case anybody said that it was too close to to to Star Trek and Star Trek went to sue them. They could stand up in court and say, see that see that NTE?

We're our own thing. We're not the enterprise. So that was the whole reason they did that. And they had lawyers they had lawyers on the design backing them up to make sure they weren't accidentally Dean Paracel is the best known on set. He was the one Uh-huh.

On one. I thought it was just Freddy Krueger on a chalkboard again. Yeah. He was making it so that they could all respond to it. JJ Abrams says it's one of his favorite Trek films.

The sequence in the JJ Abrams Star Trek where Kirk and Suler are falling towards Vulcan without parachutes is an homage to Tony Shalhoub's save great save of, captain Nesbitt or captain Peter Quincy Taggart It is Tim Allen. By Jason Nesbitt. Tim Allen. Played by Tim Allen. We already mentioned this, but writer director David Mamet includes this in his book, Bambi versus Godzilla.

This is one of his four perfect films. He didn't list his other perfect films. I'm surprised. I didn't I wanna let other people figure that out. Instead of sending me that derogatory term and No.

Definitely send the derogatory term. Oh, Derek, come on. This is this is now, like, my new, like, you know, demon that's, like, somewhere in time, the book. Enjoy. Also, on the note of that demons, the door sound was taken from Doom.

They were trying to Nice. From the video game Doom rather than try to make it sound all sleek. They were like, let's go anti Star Trek. Do you think there is a copyright on that sound effect for Star Trek? Almost definitely.

Yeah. For sure. Oh, yeah. Probably. Yes.

For sure. I guess, probably. For sure. Can you read this quote from Patrick Stewart for me? I had originally not wanted to see it because I heard it was making fun of Star Trek.

And then Jonathan Frakes, he directed an episode of television I was in, and he is delightful. I love him. Delightful, man. I told him that first contact is my favorite version of invasion of the body snatchers, and he said he put his hand on my shoulder and said, you get it. Did he get did he sit down on a chair by, like, getting out from the back of it and sitting down?

No. And, like, spread eagle? Yeah. No. I went.

Did you tell him that that you loved Beyond Belief fact or fiction? Either way, I'm gonna finish this quote. Jonathan Frakes rang me up and said, you must not miss this movie. See it on a Saturday night in a full theater, and I did. And, of course, I found it was brilliant.

Brilliant. No one laughed louder or longer in the cinema than I did, but the idea that the ship was saved and all of our heroes in that movie were saved simply by the fact that there were fans who did understand the scientific principles on which the ship worked was absolutely wonderful. It was both funny and also touching in that I it paid tribute to the decision of these fans. That's really good. To to the to the dedication.

I think William Shatner ended up embracing the fanhood as well later. No? Eventually. Sure. Maybe.

You know, what's funny, I saw Brent Spiner talking about watching this movie, and he said he loved it, but he was so upset because he was mad that they didn't think of that, that they didn't do I get that. Next gen cast version of, like, that. Because he's like, we that would have been amazing. The concept is so good and already meta. Could you imagine how deep meta like, your brain would have fallen out of your ass if, like, they had made the, like, the galaxy quest concept is already so good.

I know. But if you then add Star Trek to it literally, it almost becomes too much. Yeah. But the meta in this of it is right because, like, one of the things of casting Tim Allen, Dean Paracel says he really only had his physical performance. He had home improvement, and he had Santa Claus.

And then he ended up with but that he had this sent he had this understanding that Dean saw at least of what it could feel like to be a one trick pony and what that sort of could do to somebody to feel like, oh, I've peaked already. What a brilliantly cast movie. And Yeah. To Ben's comment about Tim Allen. And I don't know if you agree, Derek, but this is Tim Allen's best work.

We gotta rate this thing. We gotta ask you one Crucial. Crucial question that I Yes. Got, like, a piece of trash. I was almost fired.

Ben almost replaced me with a drugged Great Dane, which are not dogs that are known for being easily groomed or well. No. But this was actually Who gave him who gave him the drugs? Was it Tim Allen that gave him the drugs? That's the question.

This actually was not a dog. It was a great man from Denmark. I'm David. Oh. You fool.

I'm apparently related to the guy who cheated on 21. There was a movie made about it directed by Robert Charles Van Dorn, baby. My cat Yeah. Yes. That apparently is, like, my great great great uncle or great great uncle.

I'll have to say is something's wrong. What a what a guy. The show must go on. So, Derek My friend. Yes.

Derek, if you were to guess, what do you think the log line of this movie is? Like, the short little Mhmm. Super fan advantage. I would say that the log line for this movie is a bunch of aliens came down, thought that Star Trek was real, and then brought the brought the cast up to help them battle. That's essentially what this is with a lot of jokes and and a lot of hilarity.

But yeah. That's how you would write the log line. That's essentially what this is, but with a lot of jokes. I mean, no. The log line was written, you weirdo.

I I basically The log line is the alumni cast of a space opera television series have to play their roles as the real thing when an alien race needs their help. However, they also have to defend both Earth and the alien race from a rep reptilian warlord. I mean or that. Sure. But, I mean yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you have the gist. Reptilian warlords known as republicans. Another 1999 release, baby geniuses. Y'all saw it in the theater.

Another movie about reptilian warlords, Super Mario Bros. King Koopa, baby. Okay. So Derek Exits, I swear. You get to choose, who shares their current rankings.

So I think my original rating was a was a four out of five, Shats because William Shatner so four out of five Shats. Okay, Rocket, man. I wasn't gonna give it the full five yet because I wasn't sure if I had just laughed so hard because my mom was in the theater, and I laugh at I I and I laugh when she laughs. And then I watched it again. I definitely it's definitely a five for me.

Because Yes. In the theater, I I missed some of the, I missed some of the just kinda throwaway jokes that are hilarious. It's a it's a very the script is very strong. It is. Okay.

Who would you like to go next, Eric? How about go, Paul? Go Paul. My favorite turn. I originally if you had asked me before I rewatched it yesterday, what do you rate this movie?

I would give it four and a half out of five rocks. Can't beat rock. Good old rock. Nobody beats that. The Simpsons reference has happened, So I give it four rocks, at this point.

Rewatching it. Four four rocks. So I've gone from four and a half rocks to four. Did I miss that in the original? Maybe.

Rocks. I don't know. So four and a half rocks originally, if you would ask me in 02/2009 or '10, the last time I watched this movie, even up to yesterday, now I would say four. I go to four. Okay.

I would have said before watching yesterday, I think I would have said four. After rewatching it yesterday, I went up I went up to five rudimentary lades. Yeah. Yes. Stand rock or Colonel David Mamet's dick out of your mouth.

Colonel David Mamet needs to open it. Even let me get to the joke. Five rudimentary lades. I know. You if you can construct a weapon, look around you.

Can you form some sort of rudimentary lade? Menthol. It has to be menthol. I had to look it up. A lathe is a machine tool that rotates a work piece about an ax around an axis and a rotation that performs operations such as cutting, sanding, drilling.

So when he's saying that It's a very slow depth. It makes absolutely no sense. Nope. Five out of five rudimentary lates. So I'm on an island here.

I'm You are. A four and the two of you. I'm at the Goblin State Park in Utah where they And you are. Monster scene. We'll be right back after this message from Richard Matheson.

Don't don't do it. He's had too many chances already. Stop. What are you cutting me off? Can we do this?

I don't know. Fucking a, man. Fuck it. Let's go. Let's do it.

Yeah. You guys both have a you're actually made of money. You've been paid us. Dude, hell yeah. I like too much of it because we David Arnold?

Yeah. David Arnold doing his best Jerry g. Yeah. For sure. It's Jerry Goldsmith esque, and it gets you jazzed.

It is the opening of this movie with especially with the, aspect ratio is so great. We know this later after seeing that intro, but, like, Tim Allen's, mullet wig? Or Yeah. The mullet. The mullet dude.

Someone said I've oh, it was a Wil Wheaton, actually. Wil Wheaton said, Tim Allen Yeah. Really good Captain Kirk, but with, like, small aspects of Jean Luc, which I find Oh, sure. Yeah. Totally.

Is so good. We meet our characters, and we see the ship. Well and you're introduced to these characters as who they are in television, and you are already kind of in this feeling or in this mode of, like, oh, these are cool people that were on a successful show. They must be successful people. And very quickly, you're told, like, not so much.

Yeah. Immediately immediately see them and what their lives are now amplified by Alan Rickman's character. I performed Richard the third for the queen herself or whatever he says. Yeah. You got five There were five curtain calls.

Yeah. And then they all and then they all know each other so well. You know? Like You was panic attack already? Nope.

Oh, here we go. I didn't miss it. Yeah. And, Sigourney, we were talking about how she had what every interview was about how her boobs fit into the suit. So how many people are at this convention there to see her boobs?

Does anyone have a guess? All of them. All the people. Well, all those Oh, I think I think everybody who's there to watch Galaxy Quest wants to see her boobs. Well, you can see that there's a there's a big cohort of women fans wanting hit her and Jason to be Yeah.

They're big shippers. They really want them to get together. Well, quest Questarians. Questarians. Yeah.

Well, Questarians. We we quickly meet Jason as he walks into the dressing room saying, your commander is on deck. Well, we meet we Sam Rockwell's running the show here for what reason? What qualifies? I don't know.

He has a crazy cool medallion. No. I think I literally think he just said he was on an episode of Galaxy Quest. Yeah. But what qualifies him to run this But thing?

I mean, this is way before Comic Con got big. So what qualifies him is he exists. That's fair. I think, like I'm not trying to be challenging right now. I'm just like, what's No.

That's that's literally what qualifies him. Does he does he do this all over? Does he run with them all over? Well, this is the, you know, obviously, at least in this in this area. Yeah.

Because he's there at the store with them later. So, yeah, probably con this is in LA. So I think this is the bigger market. Maybe they have smaller market GalaxyCons. But With different people running them?

Yeah. But it seemed like he's hosting it because he has the credit of being on an episode. Does everybody feel like immediately as he's introducing all the characters, Laredo and Alan Rickman and and everybody, that you want this you're like, I hope this guy is a bigger part. If you're watching this for the first time, you're like, oh, I like this guy. Like, he's kind of electric immediately.

Oh, 100%. Yes. I, the first time I saw it, I was like, I don't know who that guy is because I literally didn't. But I was like, I hope he comes with them. The only thing I knew from the trailer was that they were probably gonna end up in space, and I wanted Sam Rockwell to go with him.

Yeah. I mean, I I mean Me too. I think each individual character is established in this opening ten minutes so well. Everybody Yes. With very and dynamics.

Like, we learn very quickly Jason and is it Alexander Dane? Dane. Dane. Hey. Yeah.

Sir Alexander Dane. I believe he was knighted. Miss in Denmark. What the hell? Or whatever.

A foot you're a fortnight. Rotten in the state of Denmark. Well, if your suspenders I'm I'm sorry. Are you guys actors? Have you did you know that line, Paul?

I just know that he's about to, like, go he's he's about to leave, and this is something he does. And then the Yeah. And he puts the trenchcoat over himself and just runs. Grab him. Grab him.

Like, that is the funniest. And the show must go on. Damn you. Damn you. That's so good.

What a nice touch. The cast is waiting for him to be introduced by Sam Rockwell, and everyone's pissed at at Tim Allen because he's a selfish asshole, and he's super late. And he comes in. Does he not know that he's super late? And that's why they're pissed at him?

Not not because he's gonna do this these people's garage, like, this fan's garage with this job without them necessarily. Yeah. I I think you base but you're right. They don't care that he's doing that little thing. They care that he's an hour and a half late.

Well, I think we we also just from the writing perspective, we learn quickly, this is our main character, Tim Allen's character. This is his flaw. This is what he is going to have to overcome. Yes. His flaw.

And it has to do with the fans, and it has to do with these his friends. So they they have their little intro on stage, which they love because he's like, I will not go out there and say that line one more time and then One more time. Out there and back behind him is like, bye. Grab Thor's hammer. I'm saying it.

And Yeah. The screen has You shall be avenged. Yeah. And everybody who comes up to him. And they're all they're all dressed like him.

They've all got the headpiece. Also, he never takes off this entire movie. It rips, but he never takes it off. And I love the hand motion he makes when he takes takes the headshots when he stops. I don't wanna hear the goddamn line.

Yeah. The way his wrist, like, kinda snaps and he looks at them, and they become a little bit fearful. And you get Justin Long too as one of the fans. And I forgot he was in this movie entirely. I'm shocked or elated, or it's like, oh, a friend that I forgot I was gonna see.

I got Yeah. Lessons for you. Because Justin Long's character, he decided was an, like, a combination of Marty McFly and the comic book guy. This is one of my favorite kind of jokes or references or homages to the Simpsons, and I'm gonna go through this whole thing. So in episode, two f o nine, which Ichi plays scratchy skeleton like a xylophone, he stretched the same rib in succession, yet he produces two totally clearly different sounds.

I mean, what are we to believe? That this is a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder. I'll feel this one. Let me ask you a question.

Why would a grown man who sure who says genius at work spend all of his time watching a children's cartoon show? I would draw my question. Like, it was a a less brutal way of, like, what Homer did where he's like, look, Justin Long. The you're a fanboy, and none of this shit is real. Stop committing your time to this, you psycho.

Yeah. Is his feeling. Well, I think in this intro, we find like, we see the dynamics. We see that Jason still has feelings probably for when, you know, the other crew don't really like him. He's kind of, you know, he's kind of selfish.

And then he finds out from the hearing overhearing the fans, like, they're looked at pawn as being pathetic. Nice scene. Yeah. And I think, that scene was was, inspired by a story that that William Shatner actually told of being at one of those and being in the bathroom and hearing something similar to that. Right.

I don't know how that made him feel, but, it would make me feel a certain way. I'll tell you that. Yeah. So they've all part ways. Jason goes home and gets drunk and watches an old episode of Galaxy Quest.

Side Home to his glass house, by the way. Yeah. He does live in a glass house. Excellent point. In the city.

Hollywood Hills. And so side question for everybody. If you walked away from your career and you're Patrick Stewart and you don't do Picard, you don't do other TV shows and tell and films and so forth and become, you know, a very acclaimed and respected actor, And all you ever are is Jean Luc Picard. Mhmm. How do you feel about that?

Do you feel like people who are are saying, what a fucking loser? It's like, no, bro. I have thousands of people out here to see me. Yeah. I mean, it's really hard to say.

I think that for us being at the level that we're at, the grass is always greener. I do think for everybody, regardless of what they have done or what they haven't, If they have done and they did something like that, there's still a level of, is that all I am? Question that comes with it. I mean, not to get too deep or anything, but, my first novel was very autobiographical, and took me twelve years to write. It took a long time to edit and write.

Writing writing is not easy. You don't do it, you only do it if you love it because it's still hard even if you are good at it and you love it. For a long time, after that move after that book came out, I thought, is that all I've got? I did I shoot everything I had? What I realized was, no.

I can write a novel that isn't necessarily as personal. Because see, here's the thing. If anybody ever comes out and says that book is bad, it feels like they are coming at me, which I know they're not. It's art. It's subjective.

But still, I live so much of that that it feels like it's hard to not put myself in that. So when I wrote the second one, the main character honestly is still a self insert, but a little bit more, where I knew what I was doing. I was writing a Christmas feel good novel, and that's what I wanted to write. And, and I think I did that, but the the nice thing is I knew I could. When I start when I started out, I mean, I wrote this the second book in seven months as opposed to twelve years.

And so I actually wrote that second book on deadline, which I had never done before. So to know that you can do that is a big that's a big hurdle, I think, that I have conquered. Do I wish I was, I I do what I can do, and if what I can do, hits with people, then that's great. If it doesn't, then it wasn't for you. But I I hope it hits with people.

I love what you're saying and also see a parallel with Jason Nesmith, Peter Quincy Taggart, and that he sees, oh, the thing that hit that I did for a while that I can now come back to with more confidence because he practiced the TV show for 96 episodes, four years. Yeah. And then had the confidence. I've done this enough that I know, like, I can walk the steps, walk the line, be this person Yeah. And and do this more confident, like, cutting the timeline, you know, by hundreds or thousands of percents.

He does this and now, like, is to the point where his confidence pushes through to the point where his career is now exploding again. I forgot. Yeah. It's a fun it's a really fun character arc. I forgot that we met It's a matter of trusting yourself.

The Thermians at the Comic Con or at the at the Yeah. Yeah. And they approach him and, like, we need your help. And he's Yeah. Safety net and job.

So then he gets drunk by himself. Right? And they show up the next morning watching his glory days. And, like, they show up the next morning, hit and he's wearing, like, some sort of bikini underwear. I don't know.

Some French He's got a thaw yeah. Something going something's going on there. By the way, I if I answer the door at all, if I don't just call the police, I'm punching that motherfucker out. Dude, sorry. We shouldn't have visited you here.

Yeah, bro. I'm gonna fucking kill you, not just, like, bend over and ask you to and fart while I ask you to help me look for my shoes. By the way, that was my That's it. That I heard with headphones. He farted.

There is a fart there. Then he is like, help me find my other shoe. He says, can you help me find your my the other shoe? The Thermians immediately look up. They don't look anywhere towards the floor or maybe immediately look up like it might be floating somewhere.

Yeah. The the limo drive the limo ride is very funny. When he's like, I love a Coca Cola and, like, the way he, like, gestures to the side there. And right now, he's like, oh, there is a coca cola. Yeah.

He's hitting on Jane Doe, but he's like, hey. What's your name? Wait. What Missy Pyle. Yeah.

And her And her her translator's broken. And then the crack of the can right there, like, okay. It's so well timed. It's so It is really good. Like, he's like, I'm just gonna close my eyes.

Just just keep going. So it's just so great. And then we end up on the ship, but we as an audience and him are along from that necessarily knowing that this is real yet. Although, we as the audience are ahead of him. They have a replica of the protector of the ship, and they're asking him to have negotiations with someone named Sarris.

And we meet Sarris. As I noted before, the costume is So good. Oh, yeah. And Tim Allen's response or Jason's response is, that's good. It looks real.

I mean, you know Oh, it looks scary. Basically all he's Really? He looks scary. Oh, it's It's like Yeah. Is it I I got I got a thing in Van Nuys later.

Is that what he's saying? I I love I I love he's walking to the bridge, and he says, do you have pages, or do you just want me to wing this? She's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. He doesn't even get into his uniform.

Like, can we wanna don your uniform? He's like, no. I got a thing in Van Nyes later. I just wanna get this done. You know what?

And he sees Sarris, and I'm still thinking now as I was during the movie. Man, the Thermians are more memorable, and that's just like pale makeup and Vulcan haircuts and body motions and Yep. Strange cadence. And that's what and I still I love the blend. I said and I stand by nineteen ninety nine to 02/2009 are probably the worst decade of movies.

I don't think that ever existed that I've seen. But that said, the blend of computer animation, practical effects, some green screen, some this and that in this movie really, really, really, really works. Yeah. And let's see. Even the the encounter is so great when Tim Allen is so casual as we're talking about drinking a Coke, doesn't wanna change his clothes, says, yeah.

Shoot the red particles and the blue particles and, you know what? Even throw this at him, kid, and throws the Coke in. The first thing he says when he gets on the bridge is set it on screensaver two. Yeah. He he yes.

He, like, isn't even giving a shit. Yeah. So then they, like, put him in the cocoon and send him back to the crib. And he that's where that's a good name. The Brimley line.

We're we're through the cocoon. And then the aspect ratio changes again, and we see this wide screen. Yes. Pretty good. It totally works for me.

Yeah. It totally works for me. I mean, it's I'm watching it this time. I was like, oh, you know why it works so well is because it looks otherworldly enough. It's not trying to look like it.

It's actually space. It is doing the thing where it is looking like the style that it knows it is. Like, it's playing to the limitations of what the movie is. It's not it's not trying to be anything other than that. So, like, you see, like, the giant Yeah.

I don't like planet, and there's, like, crazy colors and stuff. It's fucking the CG team was on their shit. They were Yeah. They were. Understood the assignment.

I agree. And and then we so he he basically lands back at his house, and the next scene we see is the rest of the crew at the tech value superstore opening. I love his landing, though, at his house because he's like, it's so great. The crew shock. And the light.

Yeah. So just the shock of, like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. Yeah. I mean Again, he's late to the other thing because of that.

Yeah. And I wanna talk about this, not too much depth because I wanna take a savings by Gravthar's hammer? What a savings. What? I mean by Gravthar's hammer, what a saving.

How deep this movie is in terms of talking about fandom and and talking about what the fans bring to stories and how the fans are sometimes discarded by people. But that in both aspects of these worlds on Earth and in space, you have you introduced two different versions of fans, and they're both the biggest fans. One of them wants it to be real, and the one another one thinks it is real. Really thinks that it I would almost argue that this movie does such a like, does the best job I've ever seen of showing you what the fandom is, and it did it at a time when fandom wasn't what it is even now. No.

Absolutely. Fandom has changed, but it has changed in the direction of Galaxy Quest. I agree. I gotta say one wants it to be real, and the other one realizes it. Sure.

Fully Fully realizes it. Realizes it Yeah. All the way. Literally sees it as this is what civilization should be. Yeah.

Which to that point into quoting Patrick Stewart's, like, glowing recommendation of this movie earlier, Gene Roddenberry was fought hard about Patrick Stewart in that part in next generation and partly because he's bald. And they were like, no one's gonna believe a bald man in that century. No one's gonna buy that. That makes no sense. We'll find a cure.

And he said, how about this? By that point, nobody will care. Point. Yeah. Cares?

Yeah. Who cares? Yeah. Who cares? Not matter.

And by that time, we will be spending our resources, hopefully, on things that are not cosmetic surgery. And, like, Ben, who knows me fairly well, I'm like, yeah. We're going the wrong way. Like, there's a lot of cosmetic surgery and not a lot of intergalactic starships. Okay?

I won't want galactic starships. Well, they have to make world peace before the Vulcans can make first contact and then Right. You, James Cromwell. They're opening this Tech Value? Tech Value Superstore.

And Sigourney Weaver, in my opinion, has her best moment when Tim Allen shows back up. He Oh, yeah. He he bumps into She gives it to him. And they exchange communicators because Tim Allen has the real one at this point, and Justin Long is there, which is, like, a great thing, again, to the strength of the script. Like, nothing really gets forgotten.

Everything ties in fairly well. But It all ties up. Point for Sigourney Weaver's character where Tim Allen shows up late, and the Thermians show up as he can't prove what's happened as he's exchanged communicator devices with Justin Long. And Sigourney Weaver says, you know, you've taken advantage of, like, these thermians, these termites, whatever they are, this fandom Termite. That you have that you were supposed to meet this morning, not Justin Long, who he was supposed to meet, but these real creatures that have created this real almost society or way of living Yeah.

After these historical documents, this TV show. And she says, I can't believe that you're such a shitty person. You're going to figure out a way to profit off of these sad people. Like, you sick per you're sick. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's her big moment in the movie. That's her big moment to for me. And then the moment's over. When they talk about him being on drugs, maybe.

Right. But they also talk about how there might be a real job. And then, like, we get to act at, like, the perfect time. Again, to the strength of the script, the act breaks breakdowns are flawless. Yeah.

Now when when they're walking back into the superstore to go back to go to the ship, there's a throwaway line. Guy is trying to pick up some chick, and all you hear is her say, yeah. But you live with your mother. Yes. End of life.

Like, you don't hear what Fleigman says. You just hear that total turn down. Never happened. Last name. Fleigman.

Yeah. God, I love that. I love when he's, like, preparing for, I wanna cut you. Me too. Me too.

And the smile on his face. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, this is where the framing in the fully aspect, fully ratioed, fully realized version of the film. How beautifully it's staged.

Yeah. A lot of it is, like, framed and staged really, really wonderfully. Even the timing works out where Tim Allen's like, I'm going with these people, and he knows they're gonna follow him. Yeah. They follow him with every dangerous mission, every deadly thing.

So they're gonna follow him, and they wanna make the money. I know that Fred is wanting to buy, like, crackers or something. Fred did. Oh, yeah. He wants snack packs or snacks, something from the vent.

You guys got any quarters? And then You guys got any change? Yeah. He's all about it. They all show up, and the, Thermians have forgotten to turn on their They all show up except for Tony Shalhoub.

Yeah. Of course. He's the only way. But they they they forgot to put on whatever they used to look like humans, but they're actually, like, octopi people. And they have all these random weird tools.

They look like hell of a thing. And, like, the the one And they sound like a hell of a thing too. Like, it's freaky. And then they have, like, one that's, like, they're putting next to guide Scary tools. Yeah.

And then they realized that they'd go back into their human form. You Y'all ever seen dead riggers? No. Tools like that. No big deal.

That's when we get that's when we get the Tim Allen asking if they wanna tour, and we get the amazing guys. It's when Sam Rockwell just screams. It's amazing scream you'll ever hear in a movie. That's what a logical thinking person who's aware and empathetic is like, oh, shit. Yeah.

Like, he's truly a rich. Yeah. It's really great. You're he established his character is established so well and about this natural thing and this thing that's funny and great. Colin Toney as this Thermian, and we're now in their ship in their world, one of the great exposition dumps ever.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. The way they and the walk through the ship where Jason's just walking with him and Fred's walking fine, but everyone else is walking so drunk or, like, they can't their legs aren't working. Like, Alan Rickman's, like, so Great physical pieces.

So great. I have to mention this before I forget. So Alan Rickman, of course, being, like, pretty serious actor before this point. The the producers initially didn't wanna cast him because they only saw him as that, and I point this out. I feel like it's a very filmic thing to assume that a serious actor can't have comic chops because in theater, it's part of the game.

You can do it all. Like, you're a comic actor, you're a dramatic actor. That's what you are called upon to do. That Alan Rickman, you know, this is before I had Potter. So, like, he had not done anything, like, Sense and Sensibility, Die Hard.

Like, he'd pretty much only done serious roles. He was in January, man. Was he? With Kevin Kline. Oh, it's My time is not valuable, clearly.

No. You're not gonna watch that. But he's in that Yep. With Kevin Kline, and he actually, I guess, pushed to do this movie in the end because he really related to it and related to the comedy and the situation of it. It.

Thought it was really funny. And part of the reason why he didn't do I mean, that's quite high rated for me called Last Action Hero. He was written as the villain maybe even to be Hans Gruber Interesting. In that movie versus Schwarzenegger. And didn't turn out that way, and we got the great Charles Dance doing his own thing that was pretty nice little cha cha cha.

Mister Dance does it. Little, Lannister action. Smashing two worlds together. And Tim Allen has to convince them to stay. Yeah.

And it is kinda convincing, again, to your point about Yeah. We're we're in the space port right now. And so he asks them if they wanna see the ship at that point. Right? Or or or or or or or or would you rather go home and fall asleep, like, watching some Right.

Dishes or whatever? Well, we see their lot like, we get those glimpses of at least Gwen and, Alexander's lives. They're just Alexander's apartment is definitely not the greatest. Yeah. Let's say that.

There's lots to be desired for sure. Gwen's been decent with their money now. Yeah. She looks she looks Yeah. I agree.

Movie star, but Alexander seems like this might have been the only thing he did. Or, like She's good with the residuals. Yeah. He's invested well. Some.

But he's definitely living like a theater actor. Yeah. Yes. The show must go on. And I love that we finally get to do is this when we get to them, like, donning their uniforms and going they don the uniforms at that point.

But they they go to the ship at this point. Right? Yes. Because they have to drive out of the spaceport. Thanks.

A whole other bit. Exactly. And I love that they've based the controls off of watching what's his name? Laredo. Weber.

Yeah. Tommy Weber. Laredo. Actually, yeah. John Laredo.

And he's absolutely terrified to drive. If you're a truly method actor, which, like, not many children are, you know what you're doing or why or what you remember those motions. No bullshit. You really do. Sure.

Like, it's explained all matter could be obliterated in the universe if they get the omega 13. That's how serious Oh, exactly. In this movie. That is that explained, yet, or is that explained here? I think that's explained after they have dinner after As soon as they pull out of the space for it, like, if, say, before six gets this thing, and does, he can destroy everything.

And and nobody really seems to react or care much. I will so I love that these fictional things that were established on a TV show are actually real. A beryllium sphere is the thing that runs the ship, and that's a real thing that runs the ship. An omega 13 is something a writer created, and these people built it, found it? Named it after those things, not like, they found a beryllant they found this sphere where they had already found it and knew what it was gonna do.

By the way, nobody seems super worried. They're still Oh, no. Why are they not panicking about that? Because they haven't seen the video yet of of the original commander basically being murdered. There's a suspension of disbelief that comes with the when they get there.

There's a level of being able to go with the flow and buying it because of the nature of their jobs of who they like, that that's just part of what they do. So I don't know if they fully comprehend. I feel like if you were to tell me that ball right there, if you press that, that's destroyed the entire universe. But I just feel like as a human, I wouldn't be able to comprehend that. I was having this conversation with somebody, and this may be controversial.

I'm gonna say something that I may leave in this podcast. Holding a gun is the power of having, by any definition, life or death, whatever, a power beyond comprehension that can end life in a moment. That's a power that you have to take insanely seriously. So the stakes of this movie are insanely serious. Sure.

And they are already told to us that the characters, that the leads in this movie know this is real, but they're so desperate to have work. They don't know what else to do. Tim Allen wants to be worshiped. He's a narcissist. This is one of the For sure.

Like, we need to go on the adventure. It's a movie. Things need to happen, but, also, these characters are very, very flawed people. Very Oh, for sure. Yes.

Yes. Absolutely. And I think a big part of the entire movie is them each individual character sort of getting over either getting over their insecurities, which is like Webber. Same with Fred, like, getting over the Fred, when he he's not sure if he can do the thing with the transport. You have to imagine at this point, these are like their jobs are going to conventions.

Their job isn't acting anymore. So so, like, getting over feeling, like, they were underused or undervalued like Alexander or Gwen, Jason getting over himself and feeling like he's the the most important thing on set. Yeah. I think that those are the things that they're each individually having to get over before they can ever save anybody. Tim Allen has a few hero moments.

Right? Yes? Absolutely. Yes. And Alexander Dane has a few hero moments.

Yeah. Absolutely. Three. Yes. And then Fred Kwan, the OG has at least one.

One. If not, like, bags, misty pile, maybe two. If that's Totally does. And that's your thing. All that fish fetish stuff is made up.

It's not true. People don't do that with fish, but maybe he does. And that's okay. But what's Sigourney Weaver's hero moment? I think her hero moment is when and they they go to the core, and they stop the destruction of the ship.

Yeah. But when they get to the actual core But he pulls her through the crusher. He convinces her to go after she's Right. To the end. I think the point of it is, yeah, her job on the ship is pointless.

So it's not surprising to me that she would have a little bit less of an of a hero moment. It's just sort of how a show like that works back then. So you think it's kind of intentional in the movie that she doesn't necessarily have on it? You think she has them and I'm like I do. I think it's intentional because of her character, who her character is.

I feel like she is the emotional core of the movie. She is that. She doesn't necessarily need a a hero story, though. That's for that reason. I feel like she has the empathetic ear even to the point of, like, a flaw than I mean, she almost runs out on that alien planet and gets herself killed when you think about it.

Ben, how much do you really believe that? What do you mean? How much do you really believe that? That she's like, that, like, that's her hero, that that's the hinging. I don't say shit I don't believe, pal.

Okay. She only has, like, one or maybe two of those moments. But as I said, it was, like, her best moment in the movie. Bro, you're a shit human. You're taking advantage of the the sad people and really makes him look at himself and is kind of almost willing a couple times to, like, walk away from her cash cow.

Sure. We thought about that until you said it. And, like, I kinda wanted to be like, how do you really buy that? Because it's like, I'm believing that way too quickly. Like, I'm selling myself too.

But I got it. But I do. But I And I like how you grinned at me when you're like, I don't say shit. I don't believe. Like, people can't see that, but it was like But I I do.

I think that that is I can understand, like, she doesn't get a action heroic moment, but I think that she does tie the room together in more ways and ways. And there there is there is the part where she's heading toward the core, and she they go into a duct, and her line is, why is it always duct? Which is yeah. That's fair. And especially, like, when you watch those episodes of Star Trek, like, why is it always duck?

Sort of, like, why is it always whatever. But I will say, as Ben mentioned that the dude abides or the it ties the room together. The dude abides. Me being the dude in this case. The dude abides.

I'm sold on that. People abides. That's a really good point. Okay. She makes at this point, she makes the, like he makes the, like, cut it, and she's like, oh, yeah.

Cut it. Yeah. And I'm like, not to like, cut the transmission. The joke doesn't actually carry for me. The the red thingy is coming to the green thingy.

That happens to that. Yep. I laughed at that. Yep. Oh, you got I laughed.

We're still on with him. Perhaps I'm not as stupid as I am And ugly. Commander. I kind of knew it was coming, and maybe it was because I maybe it's because the joke landed so hard with me watching it at some point. I always like that.

I like that a lot of the humor in this. How hard are each one of them playing into role playing into their character? That is sort of like Oh. Kind of what is funny about that is that he's already making making hand signals and making telling people what to do as if he's a fucking commander of a spaceship, and he's a goddamn actor. And he's assuming that he's gonna do something that someone's gonna, like, know what he wants and will knows what to do about that.

That that just continues on. Right? Like, that him, like, leaning hard into it. It just keeps adding to the humor. Shows the difference between him and Alan Rickman, for example, because Alexander Dane, even when he's on the ship, he, yeah, he's kind of amazed by it and everything, but he doesn't want anybody saying that, by Grabthar's hammer line to him.

He doesn't want it he can't even accept the compliment of, like, I've I've lived my life by your example. He's just like, okay. The the cast and crew, like, almost giving up the ruse after the battle. Do you know what a TV show is? Like, they're kind of, like, fishing for it.

Yeah. And Malthazar being like, Saris is a monster. How could you be him? Is so The Gilligan's Island line is so great when they ask him about Gilligan's Island. Yeah.

The lynch but the lynchpin of them being, like of of them being so innocent as creatures being, like, deception. What are you talking about? That's what this bad guy does. You guys do that, and they just keep going deeper into the lie. It's but you're still on board.

Derek, you're right. The Gilligan's Island line is the best. Those poor people. Poor people. And if you've watched all of Gilligan's Island, it makes sense that they're like, shit.

We can't break this to them right now. Well, I What I love about Gilligan's Island is that people can come visit the island and somehow get off of it, but they never do. The weird part is the movie that ends that show where they get off the island. I've never seen it. Except no.

Wait. I saw it when I was a small person. Yeah. It's very strange. I think I was fifty five, fifty four, fifty five.

I was four foot eight. Plus nine. Fifty five. Are you Benjamin Button? It was more of a Jack situation.

Who knows what dreams may come? Who's to tell? Hey. Lesser Francis Ford Coppola movie right there. Exactly.

Getting all the tie ins. I thought but I thought Fred had a handy snack. Whatever he got from the vending machine, when they go on the OA mission to get the new beryllium Yeah. Yeah. It's it looks like a handy snack.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh, shit. Fred is a stoner. This is my guy.

Yeah. And, also, I want one Yes. He totally is your guy. So they get to the planet, which is, as you said, filmed in, Goblin Valley, Utah, which is a potential Very much Utah. So cool.

It looks great. It looks great. And they immediately start following doctor Lazarus. He Who's going the wrong way at first. And then he's like, no.

This way. You're rolling it upside down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And, again, we're reinforcing the humor that some of them are leaning hard into their characters and role playing and thinking like, oh, I am capable of doing these things because I did it for twenty years or whatever on TV. And Jason Yeah. He's rolling, you know, and he's, like, really kind of living in his best life feeling like he is, yeah, Captain Kirk. Right? Like, he can he can be the badass action hero now.

And then we see these alien race, the small childlike I love it. And the CG Yeah. Holds up. It's great. I, again, like, kept comparing this to mystery man in my head and, like, how that CG is so bad.

Trash. Absolute trash. But the but they say, like, are those the minors? Oh, yeah. They're probably like Yeah.

They're, like, three years old. Yeah. Mine is not minors. Tony, Shalu. Mine is not minors?

Rockwell freaking out on the shuttle, like, about being the character Oh, yeah. Doesn't matter. And he knows he's gonna die. That was me as an actor until, like, age 24 or 26. Like, I think At the end of that freak out, all he does is Who cares?

At the end of that freak out, all he does is mommy. That's all he says at the end. Good. Then we gotta get out of there before those these things kill Guy. Yeah.

It's so important. Because we know that's what's gonna happen. But as you were talking about, the CG of the little merpeople, it like, they're all kind of sea creature based throughout the movie Yeah. Which is interesting and fun. Yeah.

It feels trekking in that way. This is a thing that I really enjoy about Star Trek v Star Wars, and I'm not trying to pit the two against each other. I'm really not because I enjoy both. Sure. But Star Trek being a little more open to doing things with a million eyes and tentacles and a thousand legs or being whatever.

And Star Trek, a lot of things are biped, just two legs and or two arms. That's kind of more how it goes in Star Wars, pardon me, rather than Star Trek. You all know who to send your DMs to. Please. Yes.

Right. Hit me with a rock. Definitely him. Hit me with a rock. So for the sake of time And then eat him.

Gotta keep going here. The they they get off the they get the brilliant spear. They get it back in the ship, and they are trying to push this thing back in the ship. It's not working, and Jason gets Just Jason punches Alexander into the into the ship. Oh, yeah.

It has to be you. Yeah. He fights a rock monster. Rock monster? Rock monster.

And Tony Shalhoub gets a spell moment. He transfers Tim Allen back to the ship after he's Oh, I had to write I wrote this gregnak. I wrote this Gregnak. Down when I love the puppets in this movie. When they the pig monster and then they when he breaks Oh, yeah.

That pig monster. Down the lines. Did it work? Is he okay? Hold, please.

They're just looking at it like dying inside out, and then It explodes in goo like the movie The Thing. And then Ted says, but the animal is inside out. And he And now it exploded. I heard the that that animal turned inside out, and then it explodes. And they all duck, but he stays up.

Jed stays Ted stays up, and it exploded. It's so good. Covered in, like, ham and baloney and, like, jam. And that goose stays on his face forever. It's in the space the entire season.

And Jason's response, did I hear that animal turn inside out and exploded? Great. Oh, it's just and then and then we meet the actual Goranak, which is a giant rock monster, which is also feels very Trekian. And this is where I dig it. I dig it.

This is where, yeah, where Fred has to be sort of talked into that he can do this. He's done it his whole life, and he brings him back onto the ship. And somehow you managed to get your shirt off. Well, thankfully, we get a a shirtless Tim Allen. So Murray?

They wanted to so they wanted a oh, well, I mean, that's very Trekking. Yeah. And, yeah, and absolutely. Shatner was always without his shirt. Yeah.

That's right. After those after those alien planets. Initially, they hadn't had him ever having a shirt back in in the entire movie after that. And Chanel was like, I'm absolutely not gonna do that because, obviously, even for that for people who don't know, even for that, probably dieting for, like, a month. He's a 47 year old man.

Yeah. But just in general I saw that he lost You're gonna be in a row for it. Yeah. He did. Yeah.

And and his wife was his personal trainer on this. His Oh, shit. I didn't know that. That's crazy. The she wasn't at the time they met on this.

Personal Became became his wife. So now when they get back and they have a brilliant spirit, but Sarris has come aboard. I love that Sarris is they come back and Sarris is like, surprise. And he's just, like, taking over the ship. Surprise, motherfucker.

Surprise, motherfucker. Well, I was gonna say, please tell me people have seen that Vine. Hard eyes, motherfucker. Yeah. So Sarris is there.

And this is where for me, this is where the movie is jumps from a four and a half to a five star for me. It's the scene between Saris Malazar and and Jason and him And Tim Allen. Right? Yeah. And making him tell that they are lying.

And Tim Allen's performance in that. The thing about that scene is that there's a couple things about that scene. One, Steven Spielberg was on set that day. Tim Allen wanted to, of course, do the best he possibly could. And he was like, this is where I really have to, you know, get get into it.

He does the scene. He has to go to his trailer because he has basically done all the acting he could possibly do. So he goes to his trailer for a couple minutes. Alan Rickman turns to the rest of the crew and goes, I believe mister Alan just experienced acting. Yeah.

Because he is an amazing thing. He didn't Alan Rickman apparently didn't love all of Tim Allen's jokes all the time. That I mean, they just clashed, which I think actually is story. Really well Yeah. For the for the but scene, I really wish I could play a clip because I feel like the performances from those three in particular, Mathazar, Sarris, and Timelani are Yeah.

Good. And and Rico, Cole, and Tony's delivery of, like, the whispered line, but why? Like, why would you That is one of the most amazing deliveries of anything I've ever seen. Yeah. And the way he says, he doesn't understand.

Tell him like you were telling a child. Though he were a child. Yes. Oh, The heartbreak just the heartbreak of that, watching him get his heart broken. And you're literally watching a person who's put his entire heart into believing His entire civilization.

Historical doc his his entire civilization, which he now basically rules, and he he believes this with everything. This was their last resort. What he's being what he's being told is your god is not real. I this reminds me of a movie that we watched with former and future guest, Jessica Martin, The Fall. Don't break the illusion.

The illusion is so important. Oh, yeah. And I agree that side note, shouts to Sarris, great continuity thing that they give him the spiky eye patch after early in the Yes. To Malin just attack someone. He doesn't give a shit about anything.

Yeah. Great thing there. This creature is so stupid. You have no you are wasting your time. Yeah.

The realization that I've had as I've talked to this about somebody recently, what's more interesting when you watch a movie? Somebody who's crying and being hysterical or somebody who's doing what they can do to not cry. And watching this movie, I felt like Tim Allen is doing what he can do to not cry Yeah. And pushing Yes. Yeah.

And maybe I didn't Yes. Give this as this there was a part of me that bagged on this performance a little earlier. I'm like, what do we compare this to? Like, red belt or what's the pantheon of Tim Allen performances? Fuck.

But you have to look at that. Very good in the scene. This scene was Yes. With, like, this is the that's a solid fucking scene, and he's the way and you're right. The way he's pushing through the emotion, he's not playing the emotion.

He's pushing through it. He's just having to go from saying, like, we're actors. This is a show, and then having just gets boiled down be like, we lied. From a guy who's a Meisner guy as well as a cocaine guy at a time at a time. Tim Allen.

Like, you're a legend on all sides of your professional life. You did great. Are you a lot surprised that Tim Allen was not in co cocaine bare? Should Tim Allen had been in cocaine bear? Just, you know Cocaine and bear.

Just think of Nancy. Martha bear? Justin Long with the communicator comes back. Right. Now we get to see that as well.

Great. Like, the time. Yeah. You you get the feeling he's gonna come back, and he does, but you don't I don't feel like I'm waiting for it. I'm not tracking it.

I'm like, well, I'm not When is this guy coming back? Surprised if you don't know. And the way that he says, like, listen, commander. I know that it's all stories, and it's just a TV show, and they're it's all real. I knew it.

Like, he's, like, a Yeah. He's so happy. It's all real. Happy. And that the only thing that's going to save the day are these fans who have invested so much of their time and life into understanding And they're the only ones who know how it works.

Like, not even the actors know how it works. You know what's funny? They know how it works. George RR Martin with Game of Thrones, he had a t there were about three super fans of that book that he had on speed dial when he was writing the later books that knew so much more about the world than he did and that he would want because he wasn't able he would just not be able to track it all. So instead of going through his past books and, like, trying to figure out, is this person related to that person?

Is this from that land? He would call one of them and say, like, hey. I need, this person to have met this person. When could that have happened? And they'd be like, oh, yeah.

At the wedding of this person, you know, they they would they would just have that That's nuts. That's so awesome. Good on good on him and good on them. This is one of those cases where it's like the fans' time and investment in this world pays off, and it pays off in a big way. It's another part of the movie where you really see the fandom.

You really get it. People that love Atlantis, the lost empire, go back. Write letters. Get them to make that TV show. Bring a language back.

Yeah. They built the whole universe. Come on. I love the moment where Not gonna do it? Fuck that.

We're going through the chompers. Yeah. Fuck that. Chompers. The ABR there.

I do love the, again, the Treckian feel of those like, why is this why is this a thing in our shit? Yes. Whoever wrote this episode should die. Why does this exist? You know?

Because it's on the television show. That's great because it's ridiculous and stupid and dangerous. But, yeah, it's there. It would, of course, be there. Of course, it would.

Yeah. And that when they're needing him at the most, Justin Long has to take out the garbage. Now we do get a a a full on Troy McClure tie in because Fred makes it with Missy Pyle, and she goes full on like octopus. Yep. Does Sam Rockwell just watches?

Oh, that's not right. Oh, get a room, guys. That's not right. Yeah. Because Tony Shalhoub and Missy Pyle full on coitus that happens there whereas they're, like, saving the day and helping out saving the thermoans that are suffocating in this room.

And Sarris has got full control of everything. Note. What what did That was a Spielberg note. The the Tony Shalhoub Missy Pyle thing, that was a Spielberg note. Gross.

Because he saw this gross. Yeah. And he he saw that there wasn't a lot to the Fred character. And he said they need he needs to have a He needs to have a He needs to have page. Yeah.

Page. Okay. Probably I mean, he did they didn't have Tony Shalhoub when they first wrote this. He said that they need to have a a romance, which is why he's late because he doesn't when at at least getting to the ship, he doesn't see the craziness that makes Sam Rothwell scream. If he did, maybe he wouldn't be into Missy Pyle.

He's himself. He's late. He's into her. It's a great little thing that they they plant little bread crumbs along the way, and I'm glad it's a cute payoff, to have them hook up. And we also see Alexander.

We finally because his biggest fan, one of the, 12 Played by Patrick Green. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, when he first is going to say, like, Patrick, by Avthor's hammer, he said, no.

Please don't. Don't do that. When they're saving them. And he's like, maybe we could try the whatever chant, to give us The Moctar's chant of strength, Lorac Tiroth, you guys. Lorac Tiroth.

Lorac Tiroth. That's Alexander giving into the character and giving into his fans and letting them enjoy letting them love something and letting them love him because they love him. He makes the save. Commander Taggart has saved us. Now it was Alexander.

Yeah. Taggart still gets the credit. I wanna make sure before we go get too far. Tony Shalhoub, Fred Kwan, tech officer Chen, his name is not Fred Kwan. Yeah.

He even says that's not even my name. She she says it's not my real name. I love that they just kind of address a lot of things that were happening in the sixties, seventies, eighties, so on and so forth with that kind of indirectly Yeah. In a way like white walling of it all. In person and not And passed that way.

And the, the idol worship Yeah. The kind of false idol worship that does occur that Misty Pyle is kind of into him because she's like, yeah. But you're like tech officer Chen, man. And he's like, aren't I? And she has got to get those tentacles around that thing.

She's gotta. Yeah. Because it's like Yeah. To her, this is a living legend. This is a g, lowercase g, o g.

She leaves her civilization for him. You know, the fans are able to sort of, like, walk them through, fix, like, the ship. So great. What a great way to title in. And then we seemingly think that they have won because they oh, and that is a great moment where they're just dragging they go through the minefield, and they They drag the mines the second time.

Second time. Yeah. They they stop the timer at one, by the way. I don't wanna go past that when they stop the timer at one for the self destruct. Yeah.

Because it always stops at one on the show. From the show. That's so brilliant Yeah. That it was gonna do that the whole time. It's like, you fuckers.

That's so good. But, like, I'm dragging mines, and then they pretty much destroy Saros' ship, but we do see him go to, like, a console. Yeah. So we don't actually see him die, which is important because once they think they've won, everyone's got their guard down. They go through the black hole.

Yep. Yeah. They go through the black hole to go back to our, galaxy, and Fred walks in, holds up a blaster, and just starts killing everybody. And then we see that he's actually Saris with a, one of the disguisers that the, Thermians. Thermians use to disguise themselves without even knowing what it does, except the kid does say they think it can either go back in time thirteen seconds or or does he say he can either fix a mistake or destroy the universe.

Right? Something like that? It's one of the two, which, like, it does like, there's a part of me. It's a bit of a catch 22. Do I wanna know oh, today's the twenty second, eleven eleven Illuminati.

But I just don't Wow. I don't know exactly how to feel about that I get that exposition from Justin Long for the, it could do this or this rather than it's just an act of bravery by Tim Allen. It would just be like, I'm gonna hit this goddamn button. Fuck it. Let's see what happens.

Well, I think that exposition as I think that exposition needs to be there. Sure. A %. Because it's not it's not it's not a guarantee. Fifty fifty.

Right. He's not saying it's for sure gonna work. So fifty fifty He's saying this is a possibility. Yeah. Yeah.

And thirteen seconds I mean The power to turn back time thirteen seconds is the most powerful weapon, most powerful tool, most powerful anything in the history of Yeah. Time itself. That that's why I think it's so well written. History of Yes. Itself.

That that's why I think it's so well written because after Justin Long explains what it could do, Sigourney Weaver says, why thirteen seconds? That's not enough time to do almost anything. Tim Allen says, well, it's enough time to take care of one mistake. So it it you're setting up the entire thing. Thank you so much for mentioning that because, like, we've mentioned the omega thirteen a time or two here, but that's the crux of the whole movie.

Sarris is after this thing, and he doesn't know what it is. And part of the whole deal is he understands what a television show is, and the Thermians don't. And that's what brings on the whole big scene that we talked about where Tim Allen is kicking ass Right. Yeah. From an acting standpoint.

Tim Allen activates the omega thirteen, and it takes 10 byte back thirteen seconds. And to be like in episode f two zero nine, the xylophone rib cage to why is Tim Allen the only person that knows or understands that he went back in time thirteen seconds The matter rearranged I think because he hit it. Because he activated it? Yeah. Okay.

He's the one that pressed it. Yeah. He's the one that presses the button. He's rewarded for you with bravery. Marty's the only one that knows that in time.

Like Oh, fair. Yeah. He's in the device. I feel like it's, like, a hint to the device. I believe this is Well, and then offside.

And then Mathesar has his almost hero moment, basically, at that point when he's the one that hits Saris with the pipe thing. I love that. And that Malthazar's illusion never ends up broken, that he's like, oh, it was all a show, a fake. Very funny. Yeah.

That he he gets to go on with this civilization, this thought process, what have you, that he helped cultivate in realizing, which is Yes. Yes. The Federation of Planets in Star Trek is a good thing. Yeah. So it's great that he realized this vision from a television show.

It's pretty wonderful and that his illusion is not broken. And that when they separate and they go in a shuttle and they keep going in the protector, the Thermians go in the protector. The actors go in a shuttle. They own the main deck, and the the Thermians are on the secondary deck. But that we see that, like, he's taking on the role of commander himself.

You know? They're gonna live the life that they always watched and loved and worshiped. They're gonna be Yeah. And before they separate Always watched and loved and worshiped. They're gonna be Yeah.

And before they separate, he has a talk with Jason where he basically asks him if he'll stay. And he said, because my people have no commander. And that's when Jason says your people have a great commander. And I think hearing that from somebody who is as important as Jason Nesmith is to Bathazar changes every I mean, it's he's been having an arc, but it that that moment changes everything for him. He becomes the commander at that point.

Yeah. Absolutely. And the ship comes in and completely destroys half of a convention. The I mean, I think some cars got messed up. Put your personal property.

And people just act like this is the introduction, which I love. Now Frankies make money. It's fine. Apparently, in the r rated cut of this film, there was an r rated cut that was way darker. According to some people who have seen it, people got decapitated at this convention.

Like, the thing came through and killed people. So I'm glad that they Might not move you. Yeah. It would got a movie. And I love yeah.

And I I just love that in this last time when they're introduced on stage, it's a it's a echo of the first time, and then Jason shares in the limelight. It's not a final bow for him. It's a bow for the the ensemble for the group. When they're all getting off the ship, Sam Rockwell's hair should win something. I think when he gets off the ship, the announcer just goes, another crewmate.

Another shipmate. Another shipmate. It's it's so bedraggled. I It's so bedraggled. It's hilarious.

It's great that it feels like a very high budget stunt that a network already paid for. Like, they were already planning on Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So show.

Yeah. It feels natural to the movie, to the storyline. I And then, of course, if that were the case, they would have they would have a bad guy who would get shot on stage by Jason. Which happens. Yeah.

But part of me, I'm mostly sold on what y'all are saying about Sigourney Weaver being the grounding force. Jason Nesmith has had hero moments already a couple times in this movie as well as Alexander Dane. It would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver or somebody else, I guess, even Guy, just get that moment of the, like, boo. I understand I understand the why. I get the why.

I mean, yeah. The other the other moment that she has is the moment with Jason Nesmith on stage when all the shippers are excited and happy because they finally got what they want. And they kiss? Yeah. But I I know what you're saying, and I think that if this movie were made today, you would have that.

I guess this but this movie is made over twenty years ago, and also they're you they're they're leaning hard into those archetypes. And I think I I understand what you're saying, though. And I'm totally And they're also leaning hard into those archetypes because Trek did. I I do think I wonder why, Dean Pariso hasn't worked more. I think this movie is beautifully directed.

I I think it's super interesting. I think it's really well acted. I, again, I love the blend of practical as well as CG. Yeah. I really do.

Fuck baby geniuses. You know what? Nineteen ninety nine had some moments. This is one. Mhmm.

This movie ends several times. Oh, but the reboot come or the intro for the The reboot is so good. But the end is so satisfying. I never felt like it shoulda it's like, you know what? Every ending was better than the last, so I'm okay.

And the fact that we got Jane Doe Yes. And that guy is now a named character. Missy Pyle, I thought she's just a part of the cast. Yeah. The screen and clinical alien is part of the cast.

And guy is Rock Ingersoll, security chief. And his little like Named himself. Oh, for sure. Yes? Yeah.

Okay. For sure he did. There's nobody nobody else would go with that name. What a great film. I'm just so happy to have rewatched this.

Thank you to my big brother for bringing just a gem back for me to rewatch and just You're welcome. Again. And I will continue to enjoy this film. And if anyone's rankings have changed, we can I can just tell you right now, I'm I'm still at I'm at five rudimentary leads? Wow.

Okay. You're at five You can choose between now. Shots all the way. I'd say five shots all the way. Change.

We're rolling on this five star. We're just looking at it. Both the. No pressure or anything. But One one more little thing.

Yep. The some of the green screen, especially when Tim Allen is with the rock monster, which does come back, which is great. Yes. That's why, Fred, Juan, and Missy Pyle, like, do it. Yeah.

It's because he teleports the rock monster, transports the rock monster to beat up a bunch of the bad guys. Yeah. I do you know, you looked at me in a fun way, but also felt a little serious when I was like, what is Sigourney Weaver's hero moment? And it's like, she is the grounding force. But I I was like, to me, it's Sam Rockwell.

He acts crazy, but he's also the grounding force because this situation is crazy. No. I think he is I think he is our comp. I think he is the audience's comp. Yeah.

I don't think he's the force. In a certain way, at a certain point, not the entire movie. I think Alan Rickman almost becomes you know, Alexander Dane almost becomes a grounding force once he realizes what he means to these people. His Yeah. He comes full circle.

His scene with Quellick is Yeah. Amazing. Like, that's real that is real acting. When he he I mean, you know it's gonna come back. But Is it?

When he has to deliver that line in that way and mean it May I, to the best of my ability, to the best of my memory? So, I I'm shot, and there's the hero moment after that for Alan Rickman where he just bomb rushes and attacks. Oh, he yeah. That guy has a jet. And Yeah.

He's kicking his butt. He is telling Quellek is telling Alan Rickman how insanely important it is to him that he was a part of this thing that he kind of loathes. They were a father to me is what it is. That he has to bear. And I asked the two of you, would you wanna be captain Kirk or captain Picard if this is all you ever had?

Would you want to have had that? And on a previous episode, Derek, as you've listened, Val Kilmer has come full circle to, like, yeah, bro. I was Batman. I was Doc Holliday. I was Iceman.

People love this stuff, and I love hearing the stories of how this has impacted people's lives. Fuck it. I'm going to four and a half. Yeah. That yeah.

Alright. Alright. I really there are some flaws with this movie. David Mamet, whatever. Like But this isn't a perfect movie.

You man who is wrong on this one, I will put this back up to a four and a half, partially because, like, Ben, you were so quick to be like, hey, man. She's the kind of the grounding force in me to go back to the kind of, like, oh, she does call people out Mhmm. Throughout the movie, and you kinda need that person. And I don't think there's room really for anyone else to do it sensibly. Somebody has to I mean that person.

She is such a linchpin. Like Derek said, like, she's doing that because the job she had originally on the show was so stupid. Sometimes you gotta hammer something into somebody to get them to understand it. Sometimes it feels like the computer's programmed to only understand her. Yeah.

It only responds to her at times. And Daryl Mitchell is just being like, that is really getting annoying. And one job on this shit. It's stupid. It's stupid, but I'm gonna do it.

Okay? And he's just like, alright. Repeats and repeats and repeats, which is wonderful. Derek, thank you for being on the show, and I love you. Oh, you're welcome.

I love I love this show. Yeah. We love you. Thank you. I love I love giving Paul amazing gifts that he will definitely be Holy smokes, everybody.

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