To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything / J London (Guest: Rachael Fosket)

Actress (Grimm, Midway, The Librarians), writer, and HUGE net worth individual Rachael Fosket jumps in the land yacht for a ride through "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar" (1995) Starring; Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, and John Leguizamo. The music, the fashion, the friendship, the feeeeeeeling! We unpack it all, sadly, without the Wonder Woman (R) theme in the background

Plot: Three drag queens travel cross-country until their car breaks down, leaving them stranded in a small town.

Recorded 4/23
1hr 52mins

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Main Artwork - Ben McFadden
'Review Review Intro/Outro' Themes - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching?" & "Whatcha Been Doin'?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root ("Shelf Help" - Paul Root)
Podcast/Program Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Review Review. I'm Ben. Paul is also here. 

Paul is here.

Next to Ben. Next to me. On this show, we invite a guest. That guest will bring us a movie that's at least seven years old. And, we then rewatch it if we haven't seen it before, come up with our ranking out of five, then we'll get together and have a little convo.

A little discourse, chat. Maybe our rankings have changed at the end of that conversation, maybe not. The real fun is the journey getting there. Oh, I love it. The conversation.

The conversation. Today's movie is To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmarr. Wait. I'm gonna remix that. Is that okay?

Yeah. To Rachel, thanks for everything. The review review. Come along with us. Let's go.

Let's go on a road trip. Ben's here. Paul's here. I'm here. Rachel, hi.

Rachel's here with us. Hi. Hi. Hi. Welcome to the review review.

Thanks for, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Very excited to have you. Yeah. Yay.

Too long food, thanks for everything Julie Newmar. That's the movie. That is the movie we are speaking about right now. We watched it. I before we unpack the movie or really get into it because Ben's gonna start getting into numbers and everything in a moment.

111123. Boy, did I have a good time. And we originally were gonna record last night and we got pushed back and I've just been so anxious to talk about this and I hope I'm not alone. I had a bad day yesterday. Oh, no.

You know, nothing to write home about, but you know, just like a blah day. Mhmm. And I usually take copious amount of notes when I watch a movie. I thought you were gonna say I normally take cocaine. I usually take cocaine and that just makes everything better.

It goes I got tons of ideas. Cut it. Yeah. Okay. Let's go.

It makes everything better for a little bit of time and then it sucks again. Cool. But I got home and I put on this movie and I didn't take any notes because I was just enjoying myself. Oh, cool. It must be nice to just be able to be a normal human being Yes.

I just like cannot help myself. I take so many notes. I think it's I usually take notes. I think it's great to take notes, but I just I was thoroughly entertained. It was just so perfect movie for today.

Had you had you seen the movie before? It had been a very long this is a great time to talk about this. Because you're our guest, why don't you tell us your experience with this movie? Yeah. You really set him up for success there.

Way to go. You're welcome. Thank you. You just set her up for success there. Mhmm.

You know, we're just Thanks, buddy. This movie this movie has taught us to set each other up for success. Yeah. That's what you want. Just everybody working together.

Yes. Yeah. I watched this film. My mom rented it and she I wanted to see it. She wanted to show it to me.

And I think that she had she must have known or she must have seen it before she shown it to me. I mean, I was 10, so, yeah, she probably screened it. And I just remember her sitting me down and being like, if you are uncomfortable at any time, we can turn it off. And I just immediately fell in love. I fell in love with John Leguizamo.

I already, like, I love Patrick Swayze, and I just I ate it up, and I wanted more. I it was one of my favorite movies probably for the next fifteen years. Wow. So before last night, I was but a wee baby. I was 33 years old.

I watched with my nae nae, that's what I call my grandmother. She said basically the same thing to me. Oh, weird. If there's anything about this that you have questions about or that doesn't feel like something just feels like you need to talk about it, talk about it with me. I remember as a kid kind of thoroughly enjoying it to whatever degree and then feeling like, okay, I don't really need to rewatch this.

And Ben to your point, it kind of bugs me to a degree that actually you need to maybe rewatch this now more than ever which is kind of a fucking bummer in a way. But I'm so excited to talk about it and maybe avoid the fact that society hasn't progressed as much as we all would have liked. Yeah. I mean, I think we don't usually get into politics here because we're just talking about movies, but it's fair to say we all think drag is not a crime or anything to be bad. I think it's good a good point for me to say that my grandmother used to put me in dresses when I was a kid.

Oh, shit. Yeah. Because I had really long curly hair, and she would frame those and put them up and show me. As I got older, like, see, here's little Ben. Oh, I just hit the mic.

Oh, here's little Ben and the and I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, you should call me Benjie. And I think I remember seeing this movie at my mom's house, watching it downstairs. I don't know who rented it. I think my mom maybe rented it, wanted to watch it.

And there was really no conversation with me about I was thinking about this and I was thinking about how I saw the birdcage at a certain age too and being like, that's just that's just a part of society. This is just something that people do. It wasn't like, there was no for me at least or for my mom or this is a weird thing. It was just kinda like, oh, yeah. That's a that's a thing.

People do that. Yeah. Moving on. The the Robin Williams trifecta here of like this birdcage and missus Doubtfire all kind of colliding around the same time. Mhmm.

And my father being such a huge fan and then I thus kind of being a huge fan that kind of just rubbed off on me. This movie? Robin Williams being in all three of those movies in general. I we saw a birdcage and, missus Doubtfire in the theater, like, opening weekend and just, like, died laughing. We mentioned this in our in a previous episode, stuff about the birdcage from, like, our mystery men episode just, like, going off about the China and how much I love Jack Hackman and Dianne Wiest in that movie.

It's just, like, an amazing movie. Rachel, before we, like, continue to unpack this more, now that we've, like, scratched this itch a little bit, you're an actress, you're a writer. Is there anything you wanna talk about that you've done that you're doing? I mean, I could sit here and list a bunch of your credits. We kinda know each other.

Wanna still read your IMDB profile? Yes, please do it now. And I don't want you to look at my IMDB. I wanna know that you Oh, I remember I had a back of it. You've known each other for years.

Like, I feel like I'm cheating. I could make it up. Yeah. Do Please. You were a costar on Costar.

Leverage. Yes. No. I wasn't. Oh.

That was the wildest? No. I wasn't. You were never on leverage. No.

Librarians. Librarians. Yeah. For sure. Same thing to me.

Yes. The brain that wouldn't die, which I ran into some of your, like, cohorts. Oh, cool. When I was in Austin, I told you, like, they were super, super cool people. Midway.

We we have librarians in common. We we all do. We all do. Woah. Because we're all librarians.

The trifecta. We did it again. I recorded at Portland Downs, the racetrack in Portland. Oh, yeah. No.

I definitely I just went to a sound stage for, librarians. You had you had a big lawn librarian. Yeah. I was it was my first guest star. It was really cool.

Yeah. It was I was just talking about this to somebody. It was actually we had to do, like, reshoots, and it was the first time that I experienced how everybody had a different point of view on set. And I remember coming back, and nobody knew why we were doing reshoots. And to this day, I still don't really know why we were doing reshoots, but I did think that it was my fault.

And I was very convinced that it was my fault. And I'm sure it was my fault. Single person I didn't go up to anybody. I was very quiet. Everything, like hair, makeup, the director of photography, sound, everybody had a different, completely different reason for why we were doing the reshoots.

It was great. No honesty in this Hollywood world. My my library's experience was Eric LaSalle was my, director. Yeah. So awesome.

Yeah. And I was so excited because I just watched Logan, I think, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, way cool. But I was on the last day of their of their week long shoot of this episode, and clearly everyone was just miserably tired.

And he was like, alright everyone. Like, the beginning of the day. Like, alright everyone. It's our last day. We don't have to work with horses today.

And I was the first I was the first thing they shot that morning. I'm like, oh, great. Every and like, clearly Everybody's gonna hate me. No. They just wanna get through it.

Yeah. Of course. That was the experience. So No. It was fine.

Well, to complete this, like, we, you know, we were all on librarians. We're all like Northwest Actors. Well, like, Rachel and I mostly got to know each other. Great acting teacher, acting coach named Scott Rogers. Got to know each other, like, more closely in those classes.

And now we're all here in LA talking about Tu Wong Foo, thanks for everything. Julie Niemeyer, a universal and emblem, entertainment rated PG 13. It was an hour and forty eight minutes. Budget is 30,000,000. Adjusted is 59,200,000.0.

Opening weekend was 09/08/1995. They made 9,100,000.0, adjusted 17,900,000.0. Okay. And the gross North American worldwide was 47,700,000.0, which was adjusted 94.1. The director who Oh, fun fact.

Ted does Ted Talks and stuff now, and, like, I actually have a piece of it that I wanna play and has seemingly moved on from some of this, but also started what it's it seems like you know this film club. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. So basically, she's a baroness.

She's amazing. She's got yeah. She got really into British politics. She, like, kids rights, in a digital digital age. She is what was the what was the company that she did?

The nonprofit that she made up? Film club. Film club, which is basically she's trying to get young kids access to, like, just film. And she'll, like so, like, these after school programs where, like, kids can just have access to all of this film. And, also, she, like, brings industry professionals in to talk to them.

So it's, like, giving kids real access to the film industry and honest access into the film industry, which is really interesting. That's awesome. She's really cool. And inspires them. I'm actually gonna play a short clip from one of her TED Talks, from approximately Alright.

Nerd. Critical and curious questioning translated into life. Some of our kids started talking with their parents, others with their teachers, or with their friends, and those without friends started making them. The films provided communality across all manner of divide and the stories they held provided a shared experience. She's so cool.

He's so cool. Beeb and Kidron? Yeah. Or I would love if I could just refer to as Biebs because I want to so badly, but I don't know if it's okay. I don't know.

It's Bieben. I looked at I like, how do you how do you say it? And I was like Bieben. Bieben. Okay.

Bieben. Bieben. Who English, Scottish, Irish? I am not sure in terms of I'd have to look at the IMDb. I guess she's probably English.

Well, the weekend, top five. That same weekend that it was released. Number one was this movie. Number two, Dangerous Minds. Number three, you ready with me, Paul?

Three, two, one. Mortal Kombat. That was beautiful. Thank you. Did you with, Viggo?

I'm just walking. Desperado. Desperado. Man, that's a good word. Is that Robert Rodriguez's best movie?

Yes. Yeah. I think unequivocally, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Solid filmmaker, without a doubt, best movie. And yeah. Stop touching my leg. Uh-huh. No.

I'm a desperado. I'm not coming to my senses. I've been out riding fences for so long. And here come the lawsuits. Other releases this weekend, the ties that bind, Last of the Dogmen, and National Lampoon presents Senior Trip.

Kind of, like, does anyone remember is Last of the Dogmen good? No idea. Is that I don't know. I don't know what it is. I it bums me out that this just, again, like, kinda got shoved into September back to school weekend.

Yeah. So, Rachel, top five films of '95. Any guesses? It was definitely you know, it was probably the one with the, and the the there was a plane. You said And I think there was possibly it was action an action film?

Absolutely. Uh-huh. Okay. Cool. And definitely, I wanna say, maybe, like, Harrison Ford?

Cut No. No. No. Not Harrison Ford. Sorry.

I get the name of the his plane. Get off his plane. I I wanna I wanna say Batman. I wanna say something Batman. Batman.

Wanting to say that forever. Forever. Forever. Forever. That's the obvious one.

Thank you. Yeah. You know, I knew I knew I knew. Easy. Easy peasy.

Easy peasy. This should definitely be a YouTube show as well. We're gonna do a Twitch show. The the miming that just went on just now. It's okay.

We forget this is an audio medium a lot. Sorry. Letterbox on this movie is 3.8 out of five, which seems low to me. That's a There's a bit of a controversy with this film. Please.

Controversy. Say it. Controversy. Ben. We've talked about this.

There okay. So there are two films. There's, do you know do you know about this? So there's Too Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie, Newmar. And then there's, the Australian indie, The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

Oh, yes. I know that. I know that movie. I haven't seen that movie forever, but yeah. And it was a ripple effect, so they were basically made at the same time.

And a lot of people say that too long and that there are similar themes in both films. Parallel development. It's like ants and bug life. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. Exactly. Priscilla is an amazing film. It's an amazing film. I actually just watched it.

Guy Pearce. That's one I need to watch this. Forgetting it. Terrence Stamp? Maybe.

I don't know. I just remember that's People? We could we could IMDB it. We want people to give us their come yell at us. Right now.

Messed up on the phone. Sorry, everyone. A lot of people who love that film adamantly really, really have strong feelings about Tu Wong Foo. That's I find that interesting for a couple reasons. The main reason for me is these two things that are potentially very similar can both be great and have something to offer and one shouldn't negate the other or Mhmm.

Do damage to the other necessarily. But I understand we as a species are competitive. Yeah. I mean, I remember this is kind of a weird tangent, but I remember I only I first saw vanilla vanilla sky when I was in high school and I loved it. And then someone had to tell me it was a remake of a Spanish film called Abuelos Ojos.

Yeah. And I didn't know that. And so when I watched and I was like, it doesn't hit as hard for me and I know that's the original but because I saw this one first. I think I get it, like, we wanna compare. I think you can.

I think it's totally okay to compare. I think also people get, you know, the things that you get out of Priscilla Queen in the Desert are beautiful, and the things that I got out of Tuohuang Fu are beautiful. I think that it's interesting. I really would like to I didn't do as much research on Priscilla as I wanted to before we had this podcast, but I think That might be good. Yeah.

It'd be Should we pause and do this next week? Yeah. But We're gonna watch five other movies in Quebec. But I I will say that the writer of To Wong Foo was reacting to a film when he wrote To Wong Foo. So he was actually reacting to an anti gay film.

And in that film in particular, can I remember the name of the film? The gay agenda. In the movie, there's literally the scene where drag queens come on to, like, drive up to a town. And the idea is, you know, they come into your town, watch what watch out because you don't know what they're gonna do to your town. And the writer of Tu Wong Fu was like, oh, what could they do?

What could happen? That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And so just to be, like, just to to say that, I'm really curious about the creator of, Priscilla.

Priscilla. I wonder if I mean, did he watch that movie too? Because they basically were writing both films at the same time. Yeah. They obviously were reacting to a lot of what was happening in current culture at the time on different parts of the globe at the same time.

And I think it was I I just I wish I could ask him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

I very, very briefly, I'm kind of glad that I don't I have I feel like I have very hazy images of Priscilla Queen of the Desert and I'm I feel almost fortunate to that because like I don't have a lot of comps coming into this which actually feels nice because I get trapped by those Me too. In some cases and so it feels nice not to have them. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because for 95 this movie is a very forward thinking movie. Yeah.

And for now, unfortunately, it feels like a forward thinking movie, which I maybe not so much in our Hollywood bubble or whatever, but I think well, you know, I mean Sure. I think our woke bubble, but I think We're so we're very successful Hollywood types. Right. Yeah. I mean, we're we're part of the Hollywood types.

Obviously. Have you seen have you seen my net worth on the Internet? 22,000,000. We've all been on librarians. I mean If we make a librarians, those residuals are coming in high.

My net worth is like 1.4. And he was like, oh, where is that? Is Bitcoin? Look up your net worth sometimes. It's very fun.

It makes you feel really good about yourself. Yeah. It was a success. Better than my IMDB stock? Yes.

To you. %. Hundred %. That's really informative and really insightful. That's awesome.

I think I know how to read. I just didn't know if you lost where we were at. That was very cute. Again, wish this was a YouTube. Okay.

Siskel and Ebert split on this. Siskel with the up, Ebert with the down. Which I would have expected No. Ebert the opposite. Ebert's so judgy, especially if it's Spielberg.

He has an opinion about Spielberg. We've talked about this before. I like Eber. I think I think Siskel and Eber are a really good barometer for a lot of things through seventies through nineties. Oh, sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. I think I would not have known. And then There was a very on this paper, Ben. You.

I'm just kidding. Everyone an adorable tap that Ben just gave Paul to point out some information. Yeah. Continue. We help each other here.

Okay. But it's like, Ebert there's a YouTube video of Ebert standing up for the filmmakers of the movie, The Perfect Score. The perfect score, which has to do with Asian American culture growing up Asian American. And somebody says something really ignorant and and Ebert calls them out Oh, cool. In a very big, cool, seemingly informed way.

He poo poos a lot of I don't know where I fall some of the time with those two. That's part of the reason why I feel like they're a good barometer. I also don't know why I'm defending Spielberg. Why is that? No.

He doesn't need any help. Yeah. He's fine. He's doing fine. That's true.

Continue. We do love him. Before we dig into this too deep on ratings and stuff, we're gonna talk about the movie. The director, Beban Kidron, used people, Bridget Jones, Edge of Reason, and vroom. So Edge of Reason was the third one?

I've never seen a Bridget Jones movie. Jess is a Bridget Jones Ian. I like rom coms and I have not seen the Bridget Jones films. I I I don't I've only seen I think I've seen them. No.

No. No. No. No. I've seen the first one.

You say you're what? Am I a fraud? I think this is the second one, But we'll never know. Nope. There's no way to find out.

The writer of this film, because I wrote it down, because it's the only way to know. Douglas Carter Bean. That's right. That's correct for 500. Also wrote advice from a caterpillar.

And that's it. I'll take DP for 500, Paul. Was the DP of Basic, directed by John McTiernan. Strictly Ballroom, which I get some of that in this movie. Yeah.

Oh, Strictly Ballroom. And my favorite Rebecca Romijn x John McTiernan film, Rollerball. Who was it, Ben? Steve Mason. That's correct.

For 500. They're tied. I just touched Paul's leg. I'm sorry. Okay.

The music, Rachel Portman. Rachel's like you and Natalie Portman. It's combined. Woah. What's the deal?

Chocolat, that was an Oscar win. Cider House Rules, Joy Luck Club. Producers, Walter f Park, sneakers, Men in Black, Spielberg. Steven Spielberg, Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. No.

Going back to Bruce, I thought I was looking through the producers too, but Bruce was really interesting to me. He and you said did you say pushing daisies? I did not. Pushing daisies. I did not mention to you.

Down with Love, Big Fish, Thee Forgotten, Milk. Big Fish. Silver Linings Playbook. He also produced a lot of TV shows that chronicled LGBTQIA fights for rights like when we rise and because the bible tells me so. So that was really interesting.

Oh, cool. Rachel, I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna feel like an insult. Stop hitting the table. Oh, shit. Oh, no.

This is the full of Mr. Ben. Deal with it. Wait. Wait.

Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

Also, do you and I have this in common about Down with Love? Is this the fit like, a movie that you and I both like? I love Down with Love. So do I. I think that movie's phenomenal.

Down with Love. I feel like you and I have talked about this before. Down with Love is Ewan McGregor? Yes. It's Ewan McGregor.

Renee Zellweger. Isn't that the Ant Man director? Isn't that a Yeah. Peyton Reed. Peyton Reed?

Good movie. Fifties, sixties. Yeah. If you like that thing you do, it's like that, but a little jazzier, a little Yeah. No.

I I rented it from the Hollywood video. Oh, I got robbed at gunpoint in one of those. Yeah. When I worked there. I actually took it Yeah.

When I worked there. I took it home one night and I watched it. Oh. And then it never went back. No.

That one that one I returned. Wow. You have bad taste. You know, if if any Hollywood Video Execs are listening to it no. They don't have any money.

They can't listen to it anymore. If Mark Walters, what I remember his name. Let's talk about this. I'm gonna go in order of the billing for a couple of these. Wesley Snipes, Ms.

Noxzema Jackson, Major League, Blade, Whiteman, Kent Johnson. Our second. Passenger, 57. Our second, Wesley Snipes, first build starring movie. Nice.

Patrick Swayze, RIP. Miss Vida Boheme, Dirty Dancing, Red Dawn, which I think is technically the first PG 13 rated movie, technically. It's not it's not, Temple of Doom? I don't think so. Again, engage with us listeners.

Engage with us. I thought it was Temple of Doom. Paul acts badly. No. No.

No. No. VMC. I'm so sorry. You're probably right.

Temple of Doom was PG, but it was the one that made them realize they needed a new, rating. Oh, shock today. Yeah. Somebody's heart gets taken out. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And movies intense as hell. So, Roadhouse, baby, speaking of things getting taken out and ripped off. And Spoiler.

Another great movie, Point Break. Good lord. John Leguizamo is Chi Chi Rodriguez. Super Mario Bros, '93. Spawn, John Wick, The Menu, House of Buggin', Stockard Channing as Carol Anne.

Grease, Twilight from '98 with Paul Newman, Gene Hackman. Anybody? Okay. Like nineties, like, suspense drama. Practical Magic, Arliss Howard is Virgil, Moneyball, Full Metal Jacket, Jurassic Park The Lost World, Natural Born Killers, Chris Penn, RIP.

I'm just gonna call him Dillard. Dillard. Yeah. The best print. And one of my only problems with this movie is his wig.

Is it a wig? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mine I mean, obviously. Just set it up.

Yeah. A lot of wigs in this movie. As Dillard, Reservoir Dogs, Footloose, True Romance, At Close Range, Shortcuts, an actor that I really, really enjoy. Awards and nominations, two Golden Globe nominations for this movie, Swayze and Leguizamo for best actor in a comedy or musical. Well deserved.

As well as a GLAAD nomination for best film. Winner, that year was Boys on the Side. Not a movie I've seen in maybe ever, I don't think. I have seen that movie. Whoopi Goldberg, Drew Barrymore?

Yes. Haven't seen it, but apparently know about it. I haven't seen it. Fun facts about this movie, Wong Fu or Phooey owned an actual restaurant in New York City that was covered in autographed headshots that was obviously, you know, inspired this movie. Swayze won the role of Vita after delivering a thirty minute story, like, monologue style about growing up as a ballet student in Texas.

Viggo Mortensen also auditioned for that role. Gary Old man reportedly turned down an unnamed role, not wanting to undergo long makeup process again after dealing with that in Dracula in '92. Bram Stoker's Dracula. Got it. Give us the full title, please.

Bram. Brom. Brom. Brom. Can you say it in its native language?

Dracula. I'm Dracula. Also, really excited for Renfield. Same. So am I.

Big time. Really excited. Yeah. I'm I'm always down for a cage match, everyone. Yes.

Before before we didn't get to talk about what we've been watching, but we can do that after we get through this fact. We can do that. We can do that. Because I have a movie I wanna tell you about. Me too, Rachel.

We're gonna talk about some things we've been watching. If Julie Newmar did not agree to release the use of her name in the title, the backup was Carol Lindley from the Poseidon Adventure Cat in the Canary Bunny which is missing. Patrick Swayze and Beth Grant were both in Donnie Darko together, where Swayze plays a very different type of character. Yeah, the wolf in sheep's clothing. Beban Kidron was nine months pregnant when she got the offer to direct this movie.

If unable, her backup was The baby. No. I was kidding. The baby's in the credits. The baby's in the credits.

Because it was born the last day of shooting. Yeah. That's phenomenal. I did not know that. It says best baby ever.

Best baby. That's so cool. Steven Spielberg was the backup. Before we dig too deep Do you know how? Before we get into our ranking.

Oh, I'm sorry. No. Go ahead. Don't apologize. Please please interrupt.

I'm like a shark right now. I'm like Jaws. Because it's Steven Spielberg. He doesn't he doesn't know how to close his mouth. Nope.

No. Oh, shoot. It was oh, so do you know how this movie got pitched to Steven Spielberg? By Robin Williams on a plane. Yes.

Oh, dang it. That was my story. Nope. That's it. That's all I had.

Was Robin Williams on the wing? So basically Robin Williams, yes, was, like, jumped on the wing Jump. And was like Ben? There's there's some someone on the wing. I have to go.

This is Okay. And he read the entire script to to Steven to as to pitch it to him. And Steven loved it so much. He loved what Robin did. He wanted Robin in the film, and Robin didn't wanna be in the film because he didn't wanna overshadow the film.

And Did he produce it? Did Robin Williams produce it? No. No. Spielberg.

Interesting. But Robin did have that cameo. What a lovely man. Which is great. Truly.

I truly miss I love him. Robin Williams and Patrick Swayze. Oh my gosh. For Chris Penn, for me also. I mean, I'm sure for all of us.

Oh yeah. Rachel. Hey. Before we talk about our free ratings, whatever. Okay.

What's the log line of this movie? I got it right here. Hold on. She's gonna walk them. It's bullshit.

We just say you're not allowed to live out. The three drag queens travel across country until their car breaks down, leaving them stranded in a small town. Nope. This is fair. Okay.

That's not it. No. I'm just kidding. That's literally my town. We have to say you cannot look it up.

Okay. We have to establish the rules before now it's on us. Now say it again from memory. Three drag Three drag downs. I'm in a regular.

So it's basically these three drag queens. They're competing in a New York drag queen competition. Two of them tie. One of them is heartbroken. They find the other one in the stairwell and they're like, what's wrong?

And they're like, I just wanna be as pretty as you are. And they're like, let's take her with us. Let's sell our plane tickets that we got to that we got from this competition to compete in the Hollywood drag queen competition and sell our tickets and buy a car and drive to This is very specific. Drive across This is not a 10 page page. This is one of my lines.

This is a log line. This is a Rachel Foskett log line. It's an ongoing sentence. There's no periods in the sentences and they just keep going. Semicolons.

Lot of semicolons? Yes. Can you order a pizza? Sure. Couple of pizza?

I think we have time. Couple of They ordered a pizza. Mammal and And on the way to ordering a pizza, they got stuck in this possibly racist ghost town. And then they transform the town into We're done with the podcast. It's over.

We'll see you all later. You said log line. I gave the whole plot. No. I I think now, we're gonna let you know Okay.

That this podcast is brought to you by Shine Heart Wig Company. That's a nice wig. Must be a Shine Heart. Shine heart. Shine heart.

Yeah. Shine heart. Glow. Be Everyone be larger than life. It's just big enough.

Shine your heart through your head. Everyone looks good at you. We're gonna take a short break and we're gonna come back. We're gonna give our rankings and then we're gonna dig into the movie. Can we talk about what we've been watching?

Oh, wait. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll do that and I'll cut out what I just said. I've just seen a video. Yeah.

Have you been watching anything you were jazzed about lately? Movie wise? Movies? Anything. We I videos.

Poker face. We've been watching we've bought Poker face. Bought your the trifecta again. We were watching before we watched poker face and we were just like One more thing. Why can't?

One more thing. One more thing. Cute story about Columbo. One Cherith cute story? What?

Moving on. Who's on? Columbo, we were watching Columbo wishing that we could have a show stop hitting the table, I promise. Wishing that we could watch a show that was like It's your episode. Columbo.

And and all of a sudden Poker Face was there, and we were just so happy about it. We delivered you poker. And it was amazing. Yeah. But did you know that Patrick McEwen was on Colombo, I think, like, four or five times and won, like, two Emmys?

And Peter Falk and, Patrick were best friends? No. Do you guys know who Patrick is? No. Mhmm.

No. He he is the prisoner. He's secret agent man. He is he is I don't have a Rolodex memory. A legend.

He is just the gold standard of of what a man could be. He is Jesus Christ. He is That's a high blood. I mean, I'm not I'm not, like, agape over here. He's a he's a jerk.

He's talented. He's kind. He's cunning. He doesn't he's like the Tom Petty of actors. Wow.

What have you been watching, Paul? I main things I wanna trump up, I guess. I got on a kick. Don't use it. Don't worry, please.

Mhmm. Oh, that's fair. New word choice. I got on kind of a a possible future timeline thing after our last guest when we watched Brazil. So I rewatched Demolition Man.

That's a four and a half star movie for me. I rewatched Dread with Karl Urban. That's a four and a half star movie for me. So that's been really fun. And then I went to the movie, Theatria.

Oh, and I watched They Live, and that's a five star movie for me. And I went to the Theatria, and I saw Air. And that as a huge sneaker person in general that takes some dramatic license, but I like Affleck as a director. I don't know if there are a lot of people I thought Argo was very, very good. And I don't know if there are a lot of people that do a better job than him of building drama and tension in a story that we already know the outcome.

He's very good at it. Yeah. It's a hard thing to do. There are, I'm sure, a few that are maybe better. I'm not sure, but I'm sure there aren't many.

But I really enjoyed that movie. Viola Davis was great and Chris Tucker steals the fucking movie. He's amazing. Alright. I watched what became my favorite movie from last year and that is, Puss in Boots The Last Wish.

I can't wait. I really wanna see it. I don't wanna hype it up. I just did. I just did.

I can't wait. I'm dying to see it. I I did. I think I thought it was I thought it was very good. And then I saw, Dungeons and Dragons Oh, yeah.

Honor my my my my my I heard this. Very excited. It was very funny. I really wanna see it. I did go to the theater and I watched Scream, but right before the end of the movie, the sound stopped working and they couldn't get it working and so they told us all to leave.

Paul and I saw the whale in the theater Who knows? And it ended with like maybe five minutes left. Like the movie just stopped. I think, oh, there was a rainstorm and like the power went out in the theater and so the movie just stopped. And they were like, well, see you later.

And then they're like, well, see you later. And we were kinda like No problem. Alright. That's fine. We're ready to get out of here.

Yeah. This episode was not brought to you by AMC. You know what it was brought to you by? The Shineheart wig that kept me dry on the way out. Everybody looks good in Shineheart.

Everybody looks good in Shineheart. To AMC. I I'm I they did give us free tickets for another Sounds good. We can get free shit. Not even shit?

They wouldn't even shit in your hand for you? They should've. We saw the whale. That's fair. Sorry.

We really got kinda pooed on. That said, Brendan Fraser was amazing. I love him. Yeah. Very, very good.

Love him. Very good. Okay. Sorry. Continue.

No. That was it. That was it. We can So nobody nobody let me know what happens and scream. I think I I think I got it though.

It was everyone. Everybody did everything. Everybody did it. All at once. That's kinda how I felt about the movie.

It I I don't I spoil it. She just said, nobody tell her. Spoiler. That's why I was saying, everybody. Everybody tell her.

Just assume everybody was everybody. That's not fair. I mean, that's unusual. No. That's kind of like screams MO.

It's like, it is everybody. It's It's everybody. It's society. It's normally at least two people. Yeah.

Society. Society. Yeah. Don't nobody wants to hear that shit. Thank you.

We're gonna take a break because Paul needs to take a minute. I do. Yeah. I gotta adjust my Shine Heart. Just kidding.

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And here comes the universal logo. Appropriate, Shineheart, NBC Wait. We haven't talked about our rankings. Everyone looks good in a Shineheart. Yeah.

Oh. I love that you keep saying that. How would you rate a Shineheart? A Shineheart? Sure.

10 out of 10. Okay. Good. Perfect. Same.

Don't they have isn't Shineheart, like, like, didn't they turn, like, some children orange? Well Wait. Can we back up? Is Shinehart a real company? No.

Leave them at it. Leave them alone. Just let it it's just it's okay. I I I'm I'm I'm I'm They're the parent company of GE, NBC I'm done. Universal.

You're not it's all thirty Rock. It's just a thirty Rock reference. Oh. Is it Chikatawa? Is it the children We're a little inside baseball here, I think.

I have seen thirty Rock. Mhmm. So during quarantine, we did a deep dive into sitcoms because Jess hadn't seen a lot of them, like, just watched them straight through like I have as a Man. Yeah. Man's fine.

I was gonna say sad boy, but sure. Man. But like we did community. Obviously, we did the office, I think first. And then we jumped into community because she'd never seen community and parks and rec.

And then we went to 30 Rock and we both fell off. Yeah. Wow. It's very absurd. It's very, very absurd.

I I think for both of us, it it didn't age as well as It doesn't. It's weird going back. As it is It's very weird going back. It does not age well. And nothing will ever change my mind about Isabella Rossellini in that show.

She has two of the greatest lines ever in the history television. Goddamn it, Jack. You know I love my beef and chips. You know I love my beef and chips. And seeing Jack happy, it makes me want makes me want to sit on a knife.

It's a good time. Ring on my finger and watch how she freaks out. I love I mean, this is just a thirty Rock official. The podcast on Leah's pen is like, we couldn't get into it and Rachel are like, well, let me tell you why you're down. Episode one.

But also it has an aged one. Okay. So now we're talking about ratings. Yeah. This movie has aged well.

And you can You can rate it in Shine Hearts. There are a lot of wigs in this movie. You can choose who you want to go first. You don't have to go first. Oh, man.

It's me. So I'm gonna do I'll just do two. So two ratings. Yeah. Please.

So before I watched it last night, the last time I'd watched it was at some point at my mom's. And I probably would have given it until I rewatched it. I probably would have said three and a half. And that is, again, a good score for me. And I I remembered I anytime anyone brought that movie up, I was like, oh, yeah.

It's a solid movie. And I watched it last night and it hit me so hard and I loved it. I just couldn't it was just what I needed to watch and I felt like what a delightful gift that you brought us. And so I moved to, I moved to four and a half and I don't even have anything clever. I'm not I I didn't have time to think of anything.

I actually tried to figure out what the exact name of those shoes were and I I couldn't figure it out. Like the shoe that he finds. Yeah. Oh, that's really sweet. But, yeah, I'm at four and a half, and I I just loved it.

Okay. My turn. I hadn't seen this since, again, I was eight years old when I watched it with my nae nae at my, aunt Beverly and uncle Richards, may they rest in peace, when I was very young. And if anyone would have asked me, I would have said, oh, yeah. Sure.

Three stars somewhere in that neighborhood, like, better than an average movie. I'm not sure. I'm on board with Ben here other than there are a couple of line deliveries that have specific specific inflections or ways that they're said kind of lazily in men in black Edgar. The skin is hanging off your bones. And the way that Stockard Channing says, Adam's apple.

I give this four and a half Adam's apples as they were there the entire time and nobody really gave a shit. And again, to the point that we've been talking about, everyone should just embrace this movie for what a fun, fucking, joyful thing that it is. Four and a half. I had to look up what Adam's apples actually were. Like I was like Woah.

I was like, what is an Adam's apple? Why why is it something obviously, we know why it's called an Adam's apple is because only men perceivably have it. And I found like a medical site and I read like two sentences and I'm like, okay, I'm bored. I don't care. Yeah.

Sure. So I stopped shooting. Oh, I was gonna be like, so what is it? Yeah. I I wish I had something really fascinating to tell you and it has I I did not retain any of it nor did I care to.

But I did look at the website. That's amazing. But I did look at but I did look at the website. Yeah. It is not I'm not gonna say you're pretending like I'm an expert.

Yeah. It will tell you anything you need to know about the Internet. One star. Well, okay. So Adam's apples are a, a symbol of power by q.

Interesting. Yeah. Wait. Finally. You're in my lane for it.

Finally. The the Internet told me that. Okay. We've delayed long enough. Okay.

Oh, me? Yeah. Mine? Okay. Obviously, when I first watched this movie, I was I think I was 10, and I was overwhelmed by it.

I was I thought Chi Chi was the most beautiful woman in the the world at the time. I didn't understand completely what was going on with men and women in the movie. I had to get that explained later to me by my mom that Chi Chi was in fact a drag queen. But when I watched it, five Adam's apples. Like, I just love this film.

It became one of my favorite films. After watching it, two nights ago, so I watched it two nights ago, there's this really sad thing, I think, that happens. I don't know if it's because I watched it so watched it so many times in my life or if outside opinion has sort of, rested my my view, but I I wasn't as in love and enthralled with it as I as I once was. I don't think that had anything to do with anything tangible, possibly only that, I think it really was, like, outside corrosion that made me give it probably four and a half atoms. That's such a great score, though.

It's such a good score. I thought you were going lower than this one. No. No. No.

Like, it sounded so doom and gloom for the moment. Well, it's doom and gloom for me because no my thing is I'm I don't really like to to grade things. No. And it can be very difficult, especially as, like, I think we all agree that none of us are qualified. Hey.

But I'm going to say, as we move forward, may good thoughts be your sword and shield, which is the number one, steps for becoming number one of the steps of becoming a queen. Did you write them down as well? I did not write them down. I kept them because but I we will ignore adversity. Mhmm.

We will abide by the rules of love. And Rachel, do you remember the fourth? I yes. Okay. So larger than life is just the right size.

Yes. So that I was I was actually gonna tell you about that, but we can talk about it later in the film. No. We can talk about it. No.

Do it. The larger than life, that's not am I wrong? Am I wrong here? No. Bill Maher, the elephant.

Yeah. Yeah. So, they don't actually say Chi Chi, this is the fourth step. I don't know if they even go through do they go through all the steps? They do.

But it's cut. But it's wise. I see. So it's actually in the original film, there is reference to who Wong Fu is to them and what they do, like, and all that kind of stuff. And then Chi Chi has a revelation about particular things, and they go, Chi Chi, that's number four.

Yeah. Oh, interesting. Is that right? I it it there are there are a couple things that keep me from wanting to to give this a five. Mhmm.

Partially because there's kind of a lack of some sort of like a ticking clock or something like that that I kind of want. And this is all personal shit. Like, I want Wesley Snipes and Patrick Swayze to beat up assholes and they don't really do it. Like, there's like, he squeezes some dude's nuts and Virgil gets punched. But, like, I'm normally used to seeing these guys Round Ups.

Yeah. Ripped throats and shit. So that's that's that's a fascinating Road Ups. And it's in the trailer too. But that's that's something that I thought because I was I was like wrapping wracking my mind of like, okay, 95, this is a very forward thinking movie.

Why how does this get greenlit? Is it because you're you're bringing in two very machismo action men, stars to play drag queens? Is that the selling point? I'm sure that's a piece of it and like Steven Spielberg's producing at this point. Like Right.

But I'm just like, because today, if this movie made today, you you use drag queens. Oh, of course. Right? But in '95, and I'm not that doesn't it's not pooh poohing on the movie at all. I'm just thinking I'm just thinking of like from a pure green light marketing standpoint like let us we need we need action we need machismo men if we're going to sell this.

To play to to to count to show like do you know do you know what I'm saying? Part of what works about it for me, I'm so sorry Ray, is that it it is subversive casting and that all of these three lead actors, all of them frankly, but these three lead actors approach everything with empathy, respect, seriousness. Absolutely. And it all really works. But I agree with you, like, today, like, none of these actors would be cast in these roles.

Mhmm. Yeah. One of the things that I really loved about this movie was that three men that I thought were you know, they're just the most beautiful, like, men in Hollywood at the time to me. Yeah. And and it was interesting because I don't know I'm curious if it was because of their sex appeal, because of their manliness, or just their, like, blockbuster were the were I mean, I don't know about John, but I do know.

He was fairly new to the world. Yeah. And he had a lot gosh. He he he proved himself. Like, he fought for that role, and he, like, he brought so much ad lib and his own story and his own dialogue into that script.

And it was like he forced a third story arc into there. Like, that was impressive. But it was interesting because I'm I wonder if it was because they had blockbuster appeal in general. And so they could take a film that probably that didn't have a well known writer, that didn't that had a female director. And they they basically I mean, that's how you get a film made in Hollywood either.

My assumption is ultimately that Spielberg said We'll make this. We're doing this Who wants it? And get people that will get us the budget we need. And I'm not sure if part of that budget was contributed by Spielberg directly or not Yeah. Or how exactly that works.

But I assume there's so much sway there. And it's sway z. If you can get an a bankable name like that as the two of you have said, like, that's gonna get you some some cash to get something done. Mhmm. And what a script.

I'm sure also, when I was reading about the Swayze piece of experiencing the bullying as he was going through ballet, obviously, this is some sort of extremely raw touchstone for him that he was able to tap into a lot of emotional shit that makes for a really excellent performance that was recognized. And same well, same with, like, all three of them. Like, Wesley Snipes' character was just, like, Dorothy Dandridge Dandridge? Dandridge? Dandridge.

Dandridge? Like, what a icon of a person to have this character want to follow in her footsteps. Mhmm. Like, specifically a drag queen. I just wanna keep hitting the table.

You guys can't see it. But to make my point, I keep stomping my They give you a pillow. On the table, and you can hear it probably. I'll do this. And I think it was just really, really important to have Take my pen.

God. Darn it, Ben. Sorry. So it was really import Shit. It was really important to have that particular story told being, like, black drag queen wants to be able to represent themselves in Hollywood Mhmm.

Culture. And I thought, like, oh, that is a beautiful message. And then Chi Chi, like, what I love that John, like, John ad libbed this, but, like, his whole thing was, purposefully putting, like, lighter skin tone on his face. Because in my family, like, no. It's a it's a race thing.

Like, we, I have family members that, you know, do a lighter skin tone on their face, and it it and I want this person to have this transformation where they realize that they're beautiful when they become more themselves. John Leguemann. Movie. Well, so John Leguemann's character. Sorry.

I got very caught up in that story. But then at the end where he says, then I'm gonna start using a more appropriate Exactly. Yeah. Like skin, like, tone for my makeup. Yeah.

That's another part reason I know we need to go through the movie in order here, but that's another part reason why I, like, gave the movie a four and a half and not a five. Is it just, like, it I don't think we need to justify It touches so many people. I don't think we need to justify not giving it a five. It doesn't dig into like, I wanted to give it a five, but I wanted to not give it a five. I really don't Do I wanted to give it a four?

I don't think we need to. A four and a half is a very high score. I know. Yeah. It's really not it's really I cried.

Like, I feel It's a phenomenal film that Very good. You know, the for me, sometimes the difference between a four and a half and a five star film is is a is just a feeling. Yeah. Well, that's it's perfect that we're here having the conversation because, like, we can all tell that I'm ready to wiggle some way or another. Right?

Well, you always wiggle. I usually do. Wiggle wiggle. I didn't wiggle. Mystery, man.

Yeah. No. Wiggle wiggle. Wiggle. No.

I just mean, like, you like to you like to you like to It's true. I do like to wiggle. You like to move your body. I do. I like I'm a dance.

I like to dance. I like to cut a rug. Why not? I love it. I love it.

And we opened the movie with the competition dancing, music, the whole RuPaul? Thing. RuPaul is Rachel tensions in that Confederate flag dress. That's the one party. I'm gonna be like, is that a good idea?

Yeah. That was the one moment where I was like, yikes. Why are you wearing that? I And she's like, I'm wearing it. I felt like it was kind of a, like, a fuck you move sort of thing.

No. I think so too. But Yeah. When I first saw it, I went, what's happening? That was great.

Sure. I feel like any time a drag queen is a black drag queen is wearing a confederate dress Yeah. There's I mean, that's the only It's just yeah. That's the only way that it's inappropriate. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you wearing that? I'm actually a black drag queen.

Okay. Okay. Move on. Move on. You're good.

Vida and Anaximha win the New York City, like, drag queen contest. They're gonna go to Los Angeles and they come upon the crying John Leguizamo. Why is that little Latin boy crying? And it maybe just found out Menudo just broke up or whatnot. And it all there's some burns I'm definitely getting, but some that were kinda going my head at this point.

Like, why is this little Latin boy crying? Like, to a point, I was like, oh, are you trying to be mean? This seems mean, and then I get it later on, obviously. I love the juxtaposition between Patrick Swayze and like I love their two drag like their character, their personas. Her Swayze and Snipes?

Yeah. Yeah. I love how he's very she's very understated and like very, you know, high class. Who Lita is. It's a fascinating performance.

I really think for Patrick Swayze, it it really is a very, like, subdued, nuanced performance that I didn't remember from watching as a kid and was very, very, pleased, surprised by it. Yeah. It was really it was interesting listening to the two of them talk about when they were coming up with the characters. And Patrick Swayze was just like, she is an angel. She is an angel.

She is an angel. And Wesley Snipes was my grandmother, the, Bette Midler, like, tangible people that she that he that she knew and loved and respected and admired put, like, put in there. I thought that was very interesting because you got different weights of each character. Patrick's character was very elevated, and I thought that Wesley's character Pita wants to help everybody. Right.

That's what she wants to do. She wants to spread joy and and and help everybody. What's it? Noxzema? Is that it?

Yeah. Noxzema Jackson. Noxzema Jackson. Jesse's daughter. Right.

And she's like, there are times when you help people and then there are times when you help people and you end up getting killed. She's Noxzema is ultimately like the grounding force. Somebody who's probably gone through something. Are you talking about driving through Middle America as a flag how this goes? And it's such a perfect Not a good idea.

Dichotomy. It's such a perfect blend of characters because you have somebody being like, look, this is the situation that's actually going to happen. Like, we have to keep our wits about us. Very much the realest of the group. And Yeah.

I mean, I even said when I know I'm jumping, but when they start driving through Middle America, if I were them I would be terrified. And then I paused, I was like, if I was me I'd be terrified. Yeah. Sure. Like, I don't wanna drive through Middle America.

And then you have this wild card and just a true wild card with which is Chi Chi. Yeah. And she's just like so you have this ethereal character, you have this beautiful, grounded character, and then you have this other third character that's like, well, I'm gonna jump out of the car. Yeah. I don't know anything other than, like, Jackson Heights Queens, essentially, which also hasn't like, people are throwing bottles at her Mhmm.

At the first part of the movie. She's literally She lives in a weird kind of, as Noxzema seems to think, like idiot bubble. But the reason why they are driving across America is because Dita and Noxzema are like, we're gonna take in Chi Chi and that's when we get to meet Robin Williams. For a brief second. Who hooks them up, which I totally forgot that he played a dude with a medallion named John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

His name is my name too. And the and the the lines and the like, that scene is fucking great Yeah. For a lot of reasons. Patrick Swayze steals the Julie Newmar photo and the whole thing, but Leguizamo and Williams in that scene are just fucking cooking. The the, like, the Two greats.

Yeah. The I'm like a compass near north is my second favorite six to midnight erection euphemism. I just went from six to midnight. So good. It's amazing.

No. But it was like you're watching them in that scene, and there there is no doubt that they are into each other. And there was no they're just, like, a % committed, not just to the scene, but just on top of each other. They're speaking a different language. They're improving.

They're jumping. Like, they're, like, I feel It's so good. They're having fun. And that's why it works and it feels like chemistry. But I also think like They have it.

Something that Jess and I I mean it's important, you know, like these are three for the drag queens, these are three straight Hollywood actors. Right? And that they They are cis men like us. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so But that they're approaching these characters with complete and utter honesty. Yeah. Yes. There is no commenting.

There is no there is no we might have mentioned this either, like, there's no like judging or joking up on this. They're they're just completely invested and I think that that is the only way this movie works. Mhmm. And it it is so it's why their performances are so captivating. Not not just because they're straight.

Let's get that clear. I think that like that's not the only way No. No. The if they hadn't committed fully and taken it completely seriously, it does not work. And three people not casted correctly and taking the material as seriously as they do.

Like, I forget who these people are at times, like, that it's Patrick Swayze. I don't it it doesn't feel like acting and that's how you know it's The only time that I remember is Patrick Swayze is, like, what did he say? Don't touch my dick, man. Yeah. Which apparently, he stuck a corn on the cob with his pants and Chris Penn grabbed it.

Yeah. Holy shit. Which is great. Side note, I don't know how big of a I don't feel like you're a big fan of this, Ben. So Rachel, do you think this is the greatest example of a movie stating the title of the movie in the movie?

Because I think it's way up there. And when they're like when Patrick's waiting when she's like, everybody stop talking for a moment, I'm having an experience. And what it says on the photo and just reading the photo aloud, it all just, like, makes sense. It feels very natural to me. It doesn't feel forced into the movie.

Yeah. No. No. No. I is that a thing?

Does that happen? I like Face when movies say I wanna take the face off. I just do the face waterfall to vent everyone. I like when Woody's like, oh, Buzz, this is a Toy Story. I really like that part.

I don't know. Oh, right. Yeah. That's Or you know, like, get off my Air Force One. That's exactly how that goes.

That's the famous line. It's verbatim exactly. I didn't kill my wife. I'm not a fugitive. Right.

But, like, Robin Williams gives them the card to buy a car, $50 anything on the lot, and they go to buy the car, the land yacht. I feel like miss Jayne Mansfield in this car. That is a terrible automobile, which is called out immediately. I had to Google it. I was like, wait, does she not know?

Oh, no. Oh, no. So I had to yeah. That that maybe that's why I'm at four and a half stars because I had And side note, you know how I know I'm lame? I would have gotten the Toyota Corolla from this used car salesman that was very honest.

You really wanna buy the Toyota Corolla. This will not make it to Los Angeles. But they're they're they're glamorous. I that's the thing. It's like, I know I'm lame because I would have done, like, the sensible, like, fish.

No. Hold on. No. You fit in that. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thanks, man. Thank wait. Fuck you, man.

I don't know how to feel. I like I do I do like it when films, let you know what's gonna happen, but not in a, like, hey, guys. There's a strange sound outside, and this is obviously a really stormy night and there shouldn't be anybody out here so I'm gonna go I'm probably gonna be fine. I'll be right back. Like, I don't like that.

Unless it's cabin in the woods. I do like that because they're doing it on purpose. But like I I do just waiting. Again and again and again. But I do love how they did that there, where they're just like, yeah, we're probably gonna drive across Middle America in a really stylish dangerous car.

Rusted out huge Well, let's do it. He was very much like, this is not going to get you a car. Yeah. He's the first honest used car salesman in history. Do not buy this car.

As an audience member, you're like, god, the car's breaking down. But Like enough this is I don't wanna ruin any the movie for anybody again. It was 1995. No fucking spoilers. You had your chance.

But nothing that bad ever really happens at least directly to them. There are some attempts at some very bad things, obviously. I mean But the movie doesn't ever get exceptionally dark. It starts to go places and then goes another way. Yeah.

But it does but it does make it does make very I I I personally jumping, but then when they they get to the hotel and and Chi Chi gets out and, like, it's just, like, going for it and they're, like, scared for justifiable reasons. I was scared. Oh, really? Oh. And then but I was mostly scared when they got pulled over.

And that way Sure. When, you know, Noxima was like and then when the cop makes racist comments, I was like, oh, fuck. He says words that make you feel like, again, that it may go there, but it No. No. It it never does, but they at least it's it's talking about it.

I feel like it's about to go there a few times. It does same thing as you in the hotel parking lot before they spend that time with the ladies basketball team. Yeah. I thought something bad was potentially gonna happen as well. And it by the end of the movie, I actually felt kind of good that nothing super Yeah.

Super horrible happens. And I actually like the fairy tale aspect to it. I thought that I think that's interesting. I because my differentiation with that with Tu Wong Fu versus Priscilla is in Priscilla, there are moments where I truly don't know, oh, are are we about to lose a character? Like, there are moments in that film where I do believe that someone might die, and the film does have death in it.

That film, I think of it more as a dramedy, whereas when I'm watching Tu Wong Fu, I never I never thought anybody was gonna die. I didn't think anyone was gonna die. I think there'll be problematic like, yeah, something bad could happen. They have to go through some sort of hardship, But the tone of the film in general never made me too scared. No.

I always knew I was gonna be in a safe space. Yeah. I mean I think I think I got that point eventually. Interesting. Okay.

But I I guess I'm just in a contemporary gaze looking at like What's going on right now? Yeah. Yeah. So when I see, you know, this cop in the middle of pull over these three men dressed dressed as women and one of them is black and one is Latino, I'm like, oh fuck. And then Interesting.

Making the comments that he does. Obviously, I think my biggest concern once we get to the town was that they were going to be found out and they were gonna lose their friends. So I thought that too that they were essentially gonna be found out and have to run or escape or again, there was gonna be more of a ticking clock or some stakes there. And I don't know how bad I really wanted or needed it when I get to the end as we're talking about it now. But the one thing that I really did need from this movie that it did have as we're transitioning to it is the fucking awesome soundtrack.

And as they're driving across America Mhmm. Dancing with everybody With the train train fulls of people and other cars and just, like, having the best time on the way to Swayze's Yeah. Hometown. And it was, like, this sort of I love that so much as I'm like, as we watch it over and over again, you start to realize that they these drag queens, like, they start as men at the very beginning, then they put on their outfits. And for the rest of the film Mhmm.

You are supposed to be sort of magically taken on this ride of, hey, what would happen if you were with a drag queen for so many days now? Yes. And what could happen? And it it's truly like, what everybody like, what could happen is all of these magical moments. When I was talking about earlier, like, it's a four and a half and not a five, but I almost wanna give it a five.

And, Ben, you were kinda trying to say, it's okay to rate it however you rate it. Like, just let it go. Rachel, you'll understand exactly what I'm gonna say. I need to just judge it on what I saw, not what I wanted to see. Yeah.

It's like I wanted more stakes or I wanted more fighting or this stuff. And it's like ultimately I feel like the movie really is successful on I think every level and oh, God. Rachel, you've brought up a really cool point because I for some reason I thought it and I I don't know why I might have misremembered this. But I thought for some reason at some point, Patrick Sousley in general, for some reason him specifically, had to revert to being a man for for a for a moment. I had that in my head somewhere.

He does. He does. I I wanna get him down. But he doesn't not fully committed. For something I had in my head where it's like the wig is gone and he's like Oh, I don't yeah.

Can I talk about that? I'm 100% glad that it doesn't happen. I'm saying I'm glad that doesn't happen. I just wanna readdress that moment later, like, when we get to it. The wig coming off of you.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. But but but what you're saying is, like, bringing us along. Like, we're along for the journey of them being Yeah.

And I I love that moment too because it's it's like, I apologize. Just just want to apologize to, impression, my own Contain onto that. Of drag queens right now of the drag queens community. We don't know. We're talking about Rachel's statement right now.

This isn't this isn't a group of experts. This is a group of people who thoroughly loved and enjoyed a movie and were transported in a world of what could and should be if you were to hop on Arrested Development. Okay. That was a Arrested Development reference there. Speaking of people who aren't rich but their parents are.

Yeah. Hop on this kind of magical ride that was in a response to anti gay bashing. And I just wanna say that in this film, my own interpretation of what you were just referencing was this whole film is meant to be a, I think, almost cartoon example of what could be in this in a in a story that doesn't exist, that isn't real. What would happen if drag queens came into into this town? And they don't take off their wigs ever except for this one time when Patrick Swayze is out of line.

And it's I don't know what to talk about again. We can't. I feel like we're kinda free balling. And I love I love it. A bit.

When This always happens. When Patrick Swayze he he does. He's he's concerned. He wants to do the right thing, and he is being a horrible human being. Yeah.

And it Chi Chi checks him. Yeah. And, and he recomposes himself, and he does the right thing. Yeah. It is a very it's a very powerful moment when we don't have not seen it.

I think it also sets a great example for Chi Chi to do the right thing Yeah. Later. Like, set up for an opportunity to do it. Yeah. That's the truth.

Yeah. And, but the I'm not rich my parents are and seeing Patrick Swayze's old house. And the mom, which is in a moment is like, well, that's convenient, but it's like, yeah. Why would the parents leave this amazing house and this amazing town? And it's like, of course, she's gonna come out and check the mail or get the paper or whatnot.

But I also like that they they even wrap up little things like that at the end. I'm gonna go see my mom. I'm gonna actually talk to her because they never actually talk to her mom, and it's one of those things that Unless I got cut. Yeah. Well, maybe.

And they they they set up so many situations for Chi Chi to just be a babe in the woods, like, just not understand the greater world at all. And this is another one of those examples. And another example where Snipes constantly is this grounding first throughout the movie. Noxima's when she is talking to the old woman at the movie theater, it's just That's when I cried. Such a lovely That's when I cried.

Really? That's when I cried. I really really I think also like as someone who connects over talking about movies as why we do this Mhmm. Spoke I was like, oh yeah. This is a woman who like, she loves movies and like this is she loves cinema, she loves the history of cinema.

She wants to be included. She wants to be included, she wants to talk about. And there's nobody in the city, in this town Yes. Who talks about that. There's no one who relates to her wants to talk on her level.

Yeah. And so like that moment was just so sorry. What are you gonna say? No. It's this is a little silly and stupid and contrived.

They this movie, the main characters were not drag queens or members of the LGBTQ community. They heavily involved members of the LGBTQ community. And I was reading earlier today about the story of, one of the drag queens that got her SAG card because of this film. Oh. And then later on became the first, drag queen in, on a network show, a prime time network show.

Because, like, just by just by, like, opening up a door for somebody, even if it's a tiny door, like and I just love that part where that story of Noxzema is like, I have something to say, and it's really interesting, and it's not other people's narrative. Yeah. And this is this is what I wanna be included. This is why I wanna be included. Yeah.

On the note of that, and you thanks for letting me jump on your coattails a moment ago. But when Nama Noxzema on the road trip is kind of trying to explain to Chi Chi, this is why you're a boy in a dress. Mhmm. And it's like, I don't know how well that's aged, where Noxzema is explaining this is the difference between these people. Again, I think we can say we're not experts, but I I do think there's a lot of outdated, probably.

Mhmm. Probably baddie, potentially. When I was reading the Reddit, like, that was actually, like, something that they're that people were upset about. Like, it was just, like, this is not this is a very, narrow minded view of of this community. Yeah.

That makes sense to me because it just seems it's put so simply. But I think, again, like this movie in '95, this is like, it's normalizing something that a lot of people are a part of. And a lot and I feel like The human race. I mean, like, it's hard for me because I grew up as a little kid actor and I've been an actor and I've like the theater world is fucking weird and does like men wear dresses, women wear suits, it doesn't matter. So it's never been a thing for me to like, at any point in my life to feel like it's an abnormal or weird situation.

Now again, it's a very niche bubble, maybe not to our lister group. I mean, I I I spent three seasons playing a character wearing a dress. I I played the nurse in in Romeo and Juliet for three seasons. And it was like That's so cool. It was fun.

It was a super fun experience. And my my my goal for that always was to approach it with absolute honesty. And that it wasn't, you know, for me, I wasn't doing this to be like a man in a dress. I was doing this to play the nurse and what an amazing opportunity to I I understand like now we have this is like an outdated conversation in many ways, but I think for 1995, poof, it is making it is breaking barriers. It's so far ahead of its time in so many ways even still.

That's the that's the thing I've been getting with a lot of our guests' films is that there's so many timeless acts aspects to so many things or things that it's like, man, why didn't we get this thirty, forty, whatever years ago or whatnot? I I I'm gonna go back to Lanier in the movie. Okay. When Vita says, that drag queens have indomitable spirits as they're like headed toward the Midwest and what they're walking into. Mhmm.

It's like, yeah. You gotta be tough as fucking nails to do that. Yeah. You really do. And it's just Chi Chi hops out of the car and they're trying to get her back and they call her a drag princess.

Died laughing at that physical move is so great. I can live with that. It's so good. I love Gigi. Her physicality I laughed so hard through this movie.

Every all three of their physicalities Yes. Is is rock solid. Yeah. Chi Chi's physicality is very good. I I want Chi Chi's hot.

Does it Chi Chi's beautiful. Oh, I yeah. I couldn't agree. We're in Jeremy London. By the way, so many people show up in this movie.

Jace I get them mixed up. But okay. Which one was Mallrats and which one was out cold? I don't know. Wait.

I don't know. Wait. Wait. I'm not sure what we're talking about. Sorry.

The, Bobby Bobby Lee? No. Bobby Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray.

Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray.

Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray is Jason or I think it's Jason London who they're twins. Jason and Jeremy London. One of them was in Mallrats. One of them was an Outcold, and I believe one of them actually has passed away.

Oh, no. I think Oh, no. I didn't know that. I wanna double check that, so I'm not gonna do that. I apologize if I, did not include that.

I will make And before they meet him, they go to the they go to the hotel and the women's basketball team is there. The white man can't jump? So I I did. Was it not a was it not a reference? No.

No. And then For sure. Oh, okay. And I was like, of course he wanted to remind us us all that he was in White Men can't jump. Like, of course, he did.

It's one of the greatest movies of all time. This is the second movie we've seen him duck a ball. It's true. Well, I thought it was a layup in this one. Maybe it wasn't.

I don't know. But So this was Jason London Jason London. Thank you. Who was in Dazed and Confused and Jeremy London who was in Mulhray. And they're both alive.

Okay. Good. Everybody's okay. Everybody's okay. Well, now I feel a little better than I've been feeling the last five minutes.

London brothers. I apologize. Glad your brother's not at least. Twins. They might just be boys.

Brothers. They look very similar to me. Yeah. Put them both in a Shinehart, and you'd never know. Everyone looks good in a Shinehart.

Thank you. Now you know why I brought Rachel. She's a paid spokesperson. I'm showing her. Oh, how much are you getting out of this?

50¢. This is a side this is a side deal that Rachel and I have made, and you're out. Okay. You, sir, are out. Unless you want half of that, which would be 25¢.

I could use it. You're giving up all my money. I mean, yeah. This doesn't now we get the cop. No.

We get but we get Chris Penn. Segue bad wig. Segue to the bad. Thank you. I thought it was a bad wig.

I didn't even notice to be I never noticed. Okay. I could be wrong. I think I think I was just so excited to not only see Chris Penn, but also immediately know that I'm getting Chris Penn as, like, the heavy, narrow minded white sheriff guy, whatever, who has repressed. So who knows?

Oh, that conversation he has put himself in the bar. I was like, I'm like, oh, my god. Oh, buddy. I loved it. Oh.

We got We bought some stuff to to deal with. Dude, and that's the thing is, like, I hope at the after this movie is over that that Dullard does that. It's a misprint. It's my only You know, if Dullard if if he just joined in on that party, he would have a great time. Yeah.

It's true. That's the thing. Like, why is he so he hates fun. He's the fun police. That was a very that was like a very it was a microcosmic scene of our country in many ways.

Right? I feel like, look at those perverts. How how were there? Yes. And that guy walking by is like, you want us to wear wigs?

George Washington or whatever. Like, our founding fathers and like going on. That's arguably my favorite line. Or whatever he says. And I'm like Sometimes it makes wigs.

Just see what they're all doing. They're having fun, man. Oh, I got more legs than a bucket of chicken. I I get I laugh throughout this whole movie when their car dies. Yeah.

So basically, they survive. So where we are, in the movie is they've they went to a hotel and Chi Chi jumps out of the car, and they run to the hotel, and the hotel welcomes them with open arms because they think that they're part of the basketball league, women's basketball league, and Chi Chi gets her second, what do they call them, step. She has awarded her second step of becoming a drag queen, which is Oh, we went over this. It was. I closed the Did you know there was gonna be a test?

Ignoradversity. Right. Right. Right. Ignore adversity.

Well done. Thank you. And then they leave there. She's away. I gotta go.

Very happy. Yeah. And then their car breaks down. And they are just sick of each other and That's so good. Oh, wait.

But before their car breaks down The cop. The cop pulls them over. Well, yeah. The knockout. Yeah.

The porn top dick knockout. He's he's racist and And he tries to And he tries to molest assault. Patrick Swayze, which is a bad idea because it's Patrick Swayze. And then Dude, you're tall. It's a bad idea.

I think sexual assault's always a bad idea. Always a bad idea. And then not just with Patrick Swayze. I'm gonna say something wild. I agree with you here.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. It's crazy. Thank you.

So then then he Patrick Swayze knocks sheriff Dillard out. They think that he's dead. They run away. They go to a rest stop. They get changed.

They feel better, but then their car doesn't start. Breaks down. And then Chi Chi, who has legs more legs than a bucket of chicken, hitchhikes and gets Bobby Ray with the London. And then Did anyone else find that hotel room that they get to charming and all? Before they redecorate it with just a bunch of scarves to the Wonder Woman theme, which still works.

It's fun because it's crazy. Is that their only hotel room? Or has that place got multiple rooms? That was the President Suite. Presidential Suite.

Yeah. And there were two twin beds? And no toilet. And were was there one was there another bed? I think so.

I thought so. I thought there were two. They throw that big square one in one. Where does Chi Chi sleep? Chi Chi doesn't sleep.

I thought there was a queen. Yeah. Chi Chi is always awake. Is there a queen-size bed in like a Probably. I don't know but I I remember Leslie Snipes pushing one up and dying laughing at the time.

We get this little tiny town and it's a little it's a little piss water town and you know, remind me of Schitt's Creek in some ways of like Oh, yeah. This is a place that nobody ever wants to know. Can I say who it's populated by? At least a few of the people? Yeah.

Please. Beth Grant, Blythe Danner, Stockard Channing, Arliss Howard, which London was it? Jeremy. Jeremy London and baby Michael Vartan. Oh, no.

It was Jason. Jay Jay London. There you go. Jay London, are you here? Jay London?

It's funny. I in that same time where I played the nurse, we toured that show and we toured it through like little piss water towns across Eastern Washington. Are they piss water or are they are they ghost are there ghost towns, right? Yeah. They feel like they're one they're one they're one horse towns.

What episodes are brought to you by piss water? Piss water one horse ghost towns. But they're, you know, they have like the main street that's usually a highway that goes through the town. That's where everything, bar, movie theater, whatever is hotels on this street, and then everything else is residential. And we spent a lot of time in those towns and every time we got in those towns I thought I'm going to die.

That's what we felt. What was the outcome? Did you? He's here. I'm still alive.

How many fingers? Four and a half. Two fingers on her. Were you Yeah. Were you pleasantly surprised by the, like, your By my experiences there?

Sometimes, sometimes not. Sometimes it was like there'd be conversations that you'd have that felt very microaggressiony and you were like, okay. I gotta get out of here. Interesting. Yeah.

But what I found interesting in this is, you know, we meet we find this town full of these characters and the the assumption, especially from me or maybe everybody, but me, is that this is gonna be a town of of, like, bigoted racist people or whatever. You know, these are people who are, are going to look poorly at them. I and I think some do, like, and really it just ends up being Virgil really in the end. But it in the but it but it the idea that they're not and again, I think I love the idea that this is kind of more of a fairy tale of what we want the world to be, but that they're they're all individually repressed in some way. Yeah.

And that even even the even the, like, cat callers have, you know, they don't have the understanding. They're repressing, you know, they're trying to prove themselves in some way and they need they need a They want girlfriends. They want girlfriends and they're just like, so we'll rape them? And you're like, no, that's not how. Yeah.

You get a girl. Yeah. I actually really liked so I thought that was a moment where I thought Swayze and Snipes are gonna show up and kick some ass. Mhmm. And I actually like that it's Jay London in the truck that does it from that saves Chi Chi from the locals.

Again, it was something I wasn't necessarily expecting. But he still grabs his dick and holds on. Like, it it there's Well, I mean, that's later, but yeah. But there they he still needs to be called out. Like, that the guy's Yeah.

The head of this catcalling gang still needs a little bit of a Baby Michael Martin. Brought down to, you know, a few pegs. Yeah. Of course. We try to make as much of this show about our birthdays as possible.

Cool. Would anyone like to do your birthday? April 18. What? What?

I know. Guys Today is Rachel's birthday. It's not my birthday. She canceled her plans to be No. It's good.

Your birthday's in a week? My birthday is in a week. It's very soon. Happy early birthday. Thank you.

Happy early birthday. You gotta do anything exciting? Like indoor go karting or whatever. My birthday at all. Gah.

See how I spun it? We're I think my coworkers and I are gonna go for a hike. Nice. Oh, yeah. Nice.

Your birthday is going to be, I wanna say, April 29? No. Oh. August 29. No.

It's August 6, same day as Robert Mitchum, who the is that the old lady from Ghostbusters, the librarian from the first part of Ghostbusters? Yes. Oh, yeah. Is it? I think that's true.

I'm pretty sure it is. I did not again, I didn't deep dive everybody in this movie, but I'm like, I swear I know who that is. I think it is. I love that, you know, when they get in this town and just like Vita's journey to help. Like the most empathetic I don't know.

Just as insane yeah. Just and also they touch on it. Bit of a control freak of Medlar. I mean it's it's it's a it's a great for me, like, from writing standpoint, it's a great you're you're using this moral it's a it's a character flaw. Mhmm.

But it's also what's the the best thing about her. It's like Ted Lasso. Sure. Sure. Except for Ted Lasso.

Like Ted, you know, represses his own feelings, his own, like, emotions while letting like building everyone else up around. Yeah. Yeah. And that she is Vita is like too much into everybody else's business sometimes to the point where it's like problematic. Yeah.

You start to understand why people lash out. Yeah. We just start she'd like, we just start getting the, like, interactions with these these townsfolk, and they start right? Well, yeah. And, like, Virgil shows up, Arliss Howard shows up later.

I like what you're saying. It gets it starts to get serious again with, like, the spousal abuse, the domestic abuse piece with Arliss Howe, the attempted rape, the Chris Penn, the again, just one of those things. I I keep wanting it to be a nastier movie, and it's not. And it doesn't I can't it doesn't have to be. Like Yeah.

And I think that's what's really interesting about why people really love, The Adventures of Priscilla Quinn in the desert because it does. Like You should've picked that movie. Movie. Do get beat up. I'm sorry.

People do get beat up. People you don't know if people are gonna be okay. People die. There's a lot of, like, shame, and, people take off the the drag queen, and people put on the persona. And it's hard and beautiful, and it's a really great film.

And so I get that because people feel truly, honestly represented in that film. And I think with this film, there is it's not the goal, I don't think, of this writer to say this is an honest depiction of what it means to be a drag queen. Instead, I think his his goal was really hearing somebody say this is what's gonna happen to your town. Yeah. Drag queens come.

They're gonna do all this stuff. And he's like, look what could happen. Like, just, like, all of this beauty and, like, we could take all of the sexual repression that all these abusive men have and, like, all of these women feel shame for, and we could just let people live their lives and be flamboyant and honest about it. It's got it definitely has, like, that the big carrying message through the movie is kind of the fuck the patriarchy thing. Live out loud.

Yeah. Live out loud. Absolutely. The moment that I got teary eyed or at least misty eyed is when they found all those sixties outfits and all these Mhmm. And all these women got to Girls day out, girls show up and show up.

Everything. And like finally feel like sexy and fun Yeah. And have and have fun. And not be scared of the men that were stammering. Yeah.

And not be and take the power and be back and like like, yeah, you want me. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna get your nuts twisted. You're gonna learn a lesson.

Yeah. And that poor boy who who runs the shop gets a little bit of a Yeah. This stammering guy. Yeah. It's silly and it's not, like, authentic, but it it is can we just have this, please?

Yeah. Can we just have instead of this predator, you know, being a creep, could he just say, like, good evening, ladies? Like Yeah. And I love that he did. Yeah.

Like, that was something that I thought, you know, like, if this were I mean, who knows? But, like, yeah, if it weren't if very if it weren't what could things could have happened, those guys wouldn't have learned, they wouldn't have joined and had fun, they would have Right. Been part of the antagonist group or whatever. But the fact that by the end, they're wearing red, they're having fun, they're like, you know, they're being cordial and polite. I'm like, well, holy shit.

This is great. This is the world I want. Yeah. Such a huge piece of this is these are rural people who I think we can probably assume are maybe not informed and have an ingrained bigotry and ingrained what have you that's potentially generational. And they're in an insular kind of community, and then they actually interact with people that they have assumptions about.

And all of a sudden they're like, man, life could be so much better if I just spend if I didn't spend so much time being an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's fascinating because they never actually talk about there's never actual any conversation about how they feel about them being drag queens. Yeah.

That's what I think is I loved is like if, you know, there's no there is never a point where they're like when when they when he comes and says like there's drag queens living in your town, there's it's almost as if most of them already knew. And they were already ready to back them up and the whole deal or they had come to the conclusion or what yeah. Like that these it didn't matter if they were who they were. It mattered that they came with love and kindness and they brought, like, they brought this all out of everybody and that it was, like, it didn't matter who they were. It didn't matter it mattered who they were, but it didn't matter who anyone else thought they were or wanted to say they were, I guess.

Yeah. It was about more so what they had to offer, I guess. I does anyone else you and I debated this a little bit in White Men Can't Jump. And it's like, here I am. I don't know.

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill. Does this feel like Wesley Snipes' movie? Because it feels like the movie revolves around Patrick Swayze more than anyone. So I just wonder how that billing happens or if I'm crazy. I would agree.

I would say that it's more honestly, I would say it's more Patrick Swayze and John Leguizamo. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. And I feel like that's accidental.

I don't feel like the idea was that Chi Chi was going to get as much, of an a story arc as John demanded that she get. Yeah. But she has the most fascinating journey. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Once we get to the very end. But she made that. Like, I I think that was John. John put that there. Yeah.

You'll hopefully hear this at some point if you like. We watched Super Mario Bros from 1993 starring Bob Hoskins. Right at the beginning of what I listened to it. Yeah. Awesome.

Yeah. But, like, we both kinda similar to a few other movies that we've watched. It was just this may not be the greatest thing or whatever, but these are talented people doing good work. And John Leguizamo two movies in a row, I'm like, fucking great. This is great.

He is never going to let he can be in the he could be in spawn. As the violator. And he's going to give the best performance that he can possibly give. This is how I feel about Nic Cage. Yes.

I'm always down for a Cage match. I brought up Romeo and Juliet. I love him in Romeo and Juliet. Yep. Tibalt, what are Right.

The Benvolio drama among these harmless signs? Signs. That movie is a weird movie and he I love that movie. Based off a fake trailer from Last Action Hero. What do you want?

I love that movie. Rachel is laughing. He is sorry. He is great. Yes.

So anyways He is. Okay. Was that you answering your question? He'd be great as Mercutio. The montage that we were talking about or the ladies show, this is one of the great fashion show.

It's up there with Clueless or whatnot where, like, people are just, like, glaming up. Oh, yeah. It's up there. I really like that. But there are also like it's a Diana Vreeland is someone who's mentioned.

And there are a few other people who Diana Rigg. Is that wait. Emma Peele. No like, by the way, a legend all the way around. Okay.

So hot. Sure. We're a babe. All the way around. Currently rewatching the old the nineteen sixties Avengers right now.

Oh, nice. She's also a babe in Game of Thrones. Always. Oh, yeah. Sure.

And, last night in Soho, Lisa. Not too long ago. Right? Was it Tiny Rick? Yep.

That was the last film. Well, it was. Yeah. Some of the little comebacks or little things in this movie like when, you know, John Leguizamo and Jay London, Chi Chi and Jay London, Bobby Ray, Bobby Jay? Bobby Lee?

Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. They have this thing going on when John Leguiz when Chi Chi's admitting, I wanna call you I'm so bad at this with, like, mixing up character names and actors. So Chi Chi, is like, I'm in love.

This is it. And, like, could you just lose it? And Vita says, to say the least. There are so many of those little lines spoken by Snipes and Swayze Mhmm. That are so good.

Even though, like, I declare, I declare, I decline. So good. There's so many good lines in this movie. It is. I mean, even in that fight where they're really at each other, that I mean, gloves are off.

Yeah. It's pretty brutal. I wonder if that was the fight. I wonder if that's when, like, there's a part of me because, I yeah. I'm really curious about where the Fart.

Sorry. Did did we unplug the No. No. You've just replaced Ben, which is pretty cool. Okay.

Cool. Now I'm excited. Cool. Cool. Cool.

Okay. Bye then. Wilts. See you later. Oh, he's a genie.

He just pooped out of there. No. The fight. And that they Oh, I wonder if that's what it would because that fight was so raw. And they were saying things back and forth to each other.

Yeah. And they were just like, woah. Yeah. Is this really hard? And I'm like, cool o.

Like, it points it at the butt and the whole deal. Like, you are the fucking worst. Yeah. You will just not stay out of my life and like, yeah. It's great.

I watched that fight twice and the moment when the wig comes off when it gets caught Mhmm. For Patrick Swayze and the look on his face. And the the the moment the look on her face, the moment when that happens and that so much of what Chi Chi has just said, to whatever degree, there is this insecure part that isn't I forget what number rule number two is, that ignore adversity or whatnot. Like, there is this very momentary lapse in that. I I feel like there's a moment of vulnerability that's pretty intense that motivates the punch of Virgil.

So what I think is it's interesting because that is also what I felt too because what she's but also I have this ulterior, curious question about that moment because she says you couldn't cut it as a man. Oh. And Oh, yeah. And it's that's that's the opposite of what this entire message is. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's that's when some of the language was felt problematic to me. No. No.

No. No. No. Was it I I didn't think it was problematic. I think it was it it was such a beautiful moment for it was such an honest moment of writing because the idea of somebody becoming a drag queen or transgender or, gay because they can't they couldn't hold up to the stereotypical standard is a very cis perspective, and it is the it is this perspective that people in the LGBTQ community and, also, I am speaking for you, and I'm sorry, but it felt like that is what they're trying to say is the opposite.

In the moment, I felt that was Chi Chi pulling the rug out from under Vita. You are the strongest, most empathetic, most sensitive, tough as nails person. You are indomitable. Like, you are this goddess or what have you, but you couldn't cut it as a man. Like, it was it was meant to be, like, such an insane insult to this extremely, strong person who does not wanna be that, who's decided I'm going to be something else because I'm strong enough to do it.

I had to be so much stronger than the patriarchal image of what a man is. I'm doing the thing where I, everybody that's listening right now, I'm beating the table, which they keep asking me not to do. But I'm trying so hard And he does it. He's such a lame o. I've done it too.

He's trying so hard to prove to the world that it is so much harder to be your true authentic self that for somebody to be like, no. Here's what everybody's saying about you. Yeah. Yeah. And then for, I think, the wig to come off at that moment Mhmm.

Is authentic because and the moment, the way that she is treating Chi Chi and the things that she is saying to Chi Chi and and Vita not Vita, Naxima Mhmm. Is actually pretty racist and awful and patriarchal. Yeah. And so I think that moment that Chi Chi's like, you're acting like a man. You're acting like a lame excuse of a man.

Yeah. And I just like so maybe, like, it's it's it's my own racialism, but, like, that's how I felt. Interesting. I love how we can all kind of interpret this a little bit differently Mhmm. To whatever degree.

And, like, floating into as I like to try and do this where Vita goes in and punches Virgil and because Vita works out a lot according to Chi Chi. Vita works out a lot. A lot. And then the comment about, like, we're saving Mel Gibson but with a gag in '95. I didn't know.

They can't think or speak. I didn't know. They knew. Wesley Wesley Snipes is jacked. Oh, yeah.

So like when they say when it's like she works out. I'm like dude You work out. Your fucking arms are full. Three of you. Yeah.

Very strong men. Which is like when you're like, oh, what what is that one police officer gonna do to them? I don't know. Yeah. It's a reaction to it.

Also, Jess was like, he's dead? He fell on the ground. Yeah. Like, right. Right.

People can get knocked out in that way. That's a decent depiction of someone getting knocked unconscious. You get knocked out if you get hit wrong in your chin. Exactly. But for him being knocked out for that long was a little interesting.

I thought that he had a heart attack. Whatever. I thought that the shock that's my What if he had a fart attack? Like I did on Instagram. You're playing this role?

But I I do love that this whole the movie is we've been kinda comparing it to a fairy tale or a fable at times or what have you that that the whole thing it's actually about joy and love and honesty and breaking out of your old thinking and and being antiquated and just enjoying life and having good time and I love the I am Spartacus moment. So good. Yeah. The enjoying life moment. So it got cut out of the movie, but that was the whole understanding of To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar, is Wong Foo is supposed to be, like, basically representing God.

And the idea of the film is to be thankful for life, to live your life, and to love it, and Thanks for everything. Thanks for everything. Thanks for less life. Well, before we get that far, I I love when Chris Penn is in the bar alone, and he and Arliss Howard run into each other and I thought they were gonna make that. And just when when Chris Penn is like, their hairy chest And you're like, oh.

Sweating. Their bow and arms are holding so strong. I died. Yeah. I was like, it's so good.

And everybody at the bar is just looking at him like Yeah. The bartender's literally polishing the same part of the bar. One of the most supportive but also a human hand. He's so good as just Chris Penn is like the perfect antiquated repressed. It's just Reservoir Dogs is my favorite Tarantino.

Which it's ironic Wow. That he's playing a sheriff, which is not ironic at all. Like, it's a little on the nose and I love it. Yeah. It's really great.

I I love that little piece. And even the cut with from the bar with him and Arliss Howard, we don't need to hear or see that conversation. We know what conversation these guys have. Right. And, you know, you're just kinda you're just kinda waiting for these two antagonistic personas to to meet.

His list of where he's looking, he's looking ballet schools. Florists. Florists. Do anyone else think that guy in the motorcycle was Wesley Snipes for a second? Because his eyes are kinda similar.

But I love that he's like using this high heel at a ballet school and, like, going up to these children He's such a Yeah. Who are doing ballet and putting this it's Cinderella story, but, like, absurd. It is interesting because especially right now in this, like, kinda current climate, how you do see, like, this this is this weird perspective of how people perceive the LGBTQ community, and it just doesn't make any sense. Like Yeah. The don't say gay bill.

Yeah. We'll we'll get we'll we'll go do too too far down a rabbit hole. Yeah. I I actually really like when Stockard Channing at this point says, Adam's apple. Like, yeah, I I understand this.

Like, I understand who you are. I don't care. She knew who he was from the beginning. Like, I love you. You're great.

Do you think that so did everybody else? I felt like most of them did. Some some if not most of them did. Maybe not Jason London or Jeremy London. Maybe he did.

I don't think he did. No. I don't think he did. Yeah. No.

Also, when he sees Bobby Lee from behind when she's dressed up and I'm Chi Chi. He goes Chi Chi. I was like, what part of you thinks that's Chi Chi? No. There's nothing.

There's nothing about it. Bobby Lee and Bobby Ray gotta come together ultimately. That's what Chi Chi gives out. That's the fantasy. That's the fairy tale.

Sure. That she wanted to be Chi Chi. We all wanted to be Chi Chi. Yeah. Yeah.

I do I I do think Bobby Lee's though Bobby yeah. Bobby Lee coming to taking what she wants and, like, living in her sexuality and becoming like strong in it and being like I want Bobby Ray and just like making it happen. Yeah. And like learning that from being I'm a grown up too and yeah. Yeah.

It's like I wanna be taken seriously and yeah. The whole thing. Everybody, I just it's just a delightful film. I it this is where I wrote my notes again. Like, I wrote it twice in my notes.

Like, it bugs me. Again, we've mentioned this several times in this podcast that this was made so long ago at this point. It's just staggering to me. It's a great movie. Do you wanna hear a weird thing?

I do. Always. You might have to bleep it out. Is it about Shine Heart? Negative.

What about them? Oh, I have been one Okay. Well, at the time, McDonald's actually they had, like, a product placement, so you had the Coca Cola product placement ad. And Coca Cola was like, yeah, whatever. It's cool.

And then you had McDonald's, and they're like, actually, we don't wanna be we don't wanna have that association. Wow. Because they were supposed to be getting food, like, at a McDonald's. And now how would that go? It's interesting.

They would 100% be on board Yeah. Because they want the performative Everybody would be throwing out their fries instead of smashing their Bud Lights or whatever some devil shit. I mean, that everybody every company is performatively an ally. Yep. I mean corporate entity.

Yeah. And if they're not if they're not, you know who their market base is. Right. But it but it still is like it's not Performative. Performative.

Performative. Oh, no. What I'm gonna do is we're gonna hurry to the end of the season. I love the visual of Wesley Snipes pushing up the bed when they're all hiding in the room k. Like, was on the back of the door.

Everybody. Right? Come on. And I'm gonna make Hollywood wherever I'm at by by Wesley Snipes, which, Ben kinda mentioned, like, what like, a cool the Siskel bagged on or Ebert maybe bagged on the story line for Wesley Snipes, and I actually thought it was pretty solid. I like that character.

Mhmm. Bad John? And, negative. Just was like, it didn't work for me. Should top build person should have a a deeper, bigger, more important role.

And And I kinda was like, this does feel like Patrick Swayze starring, but also Wesley Snipes plays a very important role as well pretty much every possible turn. So it didn't fully make sense to me. And I can tell you one thing about them founding fathers of America. They sure had fabulous wigs. I died.

Yeah. Taps his little hat to him. So good. So good. Really good.

And I wanted to go hang out in that party. And I hope that, somebody related to Robert Mitchum in some way, shape, or form gets that letter from the old lady. And then we get back to California. And who is one Oh, yeah. Can I say one more thing?

Yes. I guess. Please. I'm so sorry. I know.

You always have seven pages of notes. I know. You're a Columbo. One more thing. The friendship and the true love and respect between Stockard Channing, Patrick Swayze is incredible.

That is one of the great goodbyes that I remember in a movie where I really feel that whole thing is earned where it's something like You're not a man. You're not a woman. You're not a woman. To me, you're an angel. And the response, I think that's healthy.

I thought it was gonna say you're a beautiful person or something like that, and that was great. When when I just jump on Paul's quotes Sonicly? Like Sonic the Hedgehogly? Yeah. Sure.

Whoop. Yeah. Great. Yeah. I love this film.

But the ending like we see Chi Chi who now she has a new wig. It's kind of a Liza Minnelli wig. It looks great. It does look good. The physical work by all three of these.

Wow. Wow. Which I'm fascinated by because was she even in that running? Well, and that's the thing is, like, one of the things for this movie where it's like, what I didn't know this was the eventual potential mission or whatever. We never saw training or anything specifically happen for this person.

No. I think it's, do you think that it's necessary? Do you think that, like, understanding time passes that you should fairy tale aspect of it, it's not. I feel like I didn't really need it. I love that she won.

Yeah. I do wish that they that they could have gotten to explain the fourth level somehow and segued that into the fourth step of becoming a drag queen, which was, fitting into her own skin. Right. And yes. Continue.

I love that Julie Newmar shows up at the end of the movie, who apparently showed up unannounced. Like, I'm gonna come check this out. My name's on it. Really? And they were like, well, can we put you in the movie?

Sure. That's rumored to be what happened which is such a great cherry on top as Chi Chi is crowned by Julie Newmar. I love it. Great little touch. So here we are, end of our conversation.

Got it. Me again. Yes. I'm sticking with my four and a half. I'm not gonna justify it.

I love this movie. It was everything I wanted to be and I am very satisfied and thank you. Thank you. Paul. I'm gonna go second.

Okay. Same order. I, it does have I do think it's legitimate that I'm like, this movie does hold back a bit or there's something some things that I like or that I want or whatever is art and film is subjective. Like, I wanted that ticking clock and all this other bullshit or we even mentioned the thing at the end of the movie. Like, oh, we didn't know they're training for this.

And you literate I was basically ready to go to a four, and then you just asked like the most legitimate question. Yeah. Do you need that? No. I didn't.

And this is always my justification for I rate the 1990 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as a five. Yeah. Unembarrassed, completely prideful five. This is still a four and a half for me as well. It was successful on nearly every level.

There's some things that I wanted and it's okay to want things. Yeah. But, yeah. I thought it was really, really good. There are some things that also, like, I think have been great through this conversation.

Like, what a fucking awesome movie to talk about. Thank you for bringing it. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I think I'm gonna go back up to a five just because Yeah.

We did. I hope you guys did it. Well, just because I think there is, like, the fear of being judged and of, like, oh, this isn't a perfect film. Oh, this film has flaws. Oh, this isn't everything about this film isn't represented.

There's representation missing in this film. There's there's a there's a lot that could be better. And at the same time, to take away outside judgment and just go into how I felt genuinely when I first watched it was this little girl that got introduced to a world that she loved. And one of the things that I always think is beautiful about this film is truly how beautiful 10 year old Rachel thought Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, and just was enamored with how beautiful John Leguizamo was. Truly, 10 year old Rachel thought these are beautiful people.

These are gorgeous women. And without any outside information and no judgment. And so I like to just go back into that and be like, hey. You know what? Five out of five.

This film was important to me. I I've Ben brought up something in the what dreams may come episode. Why'd you have to bring that up? I know. Always.

I'm very curious. It happened. Somewhere in time, we did it. It. Oh, god.

We did that episode. Bring up the worst ones. I sure do. But but I was at a one and then Ben said, why would you recommend this movie to anybody? Why like, why would you not recommend this movie to someone even with the flaws because it starts I think, like, the movie takes some swings and has some misses and has some things that haven't aged very well.

I'm tempted to go to a five. But, like, yeah. I'm honestly tempted to go to a five. No. I'm feeling that 1990 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles thing where it's, like, were you not entertained?

Like that's the thought of the movie. But but I mean, but like bringing it up to the point of like, no, I would recommend this movie to literally everybody to watch this right now. Like go right now and laugh. I kinda wish I had bought it. I rented it and I'm like, I should've just bought it.

That was me with Brazil, and I actually tried to sit down with my girlfriend yesterday while we were in the middle of watching TV. I was like, before this rental runs out, you need to sit down. You should watch this. Yeah. This is really good.

And she's like, what? She's not a movie person. I'm really glad to I was like, what the fuck? Like, you're telling me to stop watching a TV show I've been watching to watch a movie? And I don't watch movies.

I'm glad Jess was watching with me because we both were just like, didn't have great days and just like leaned into it and we're like, well that was a delightful little like treat that just brought us up. Yeah. So just like the intention of the characters and, like, what they do to that town, they just raise the spirits. Yeah. Really good movie.

Thank you. This it's been really great. This Ben's gonna hit the theme and play us out. Wow. What a cool, fun conversation.

Cool, fun movie. Will you join it? Hey, it's Rachel. I'm gonna end it four and a half shine hearts. I'm changing it to shine hearts.

I got the five. You're changing the five. You're going all the way to the five. Rachel's at a five. You went to a five?

I went to a five. This is our highest rated film. Really? We've got so many good movies on this show. Don't mess this up next guest.

To Wong folk, thanks for everything, Julie. Who are? To Rachel? To Rachel. Thanks for everything.

Thanks for everything from the review review. Thank you, guys. Love it. I love you. Love life.