NEW NEW! The Exorcist & Believer / Hot Licks (Guest: Ben Burris)

Performer/Producer/Puppeteer and Zombie (aka returning guest) Ben Burris is back, baby! And this time, we're ALL 2 BURIOUS about kids getting possessed in 1973 in The Exorcist (Dir. William Friedkin) and even now in 2023 for a SPOILER LADEN “NEW NEW,” review of The Exorcist: Believer (Dir. David Gordon Green). We go quick through the sequel and dive into the meat of the 1973 classic based on the William Peter Blatty novel (his adapted screenplay won the Oscar. 1 of its 10 nominations). Have a close friend or loved one strap you to the bed, turn on the AC, and let us possess you with the smooth sounds of The Exorcist for Spooky Season

PLOT 1973*: When a young girl is possessed by a mysterious entity, her mother seeks the help of two Catholic priests to save her life.

Recorded 10/23
1hr 55mins

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Main Artwork - Ben McFadden
'Review Review Intro/Outro' Themes - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching?" & "Whatcha Been Doin'?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root ("Shelf Help" - Paul Root)
Podcast/Program Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

It's a horrible sensation. It's awful. I have Just my personal mic. Can you guys share that one? Yep.

Okay. I happen to have normally curved spine. Oh, that's not I have an condition called spondylolisthesis. Lowloustehesis. Oh.

Also, wet penis is shaped like a z. There it is. Sound check here. Let me. Jacklyn, while you're that close.

Oh, no. You cock ass. You loving fucking worthless cocksuckers. Spooky. It is spooky.

It's spookier than usual. I'm scared. Yeah. Hey, everyone. Don't be too frightened.

Someone that we know is here that is familiar. I'm Paul. I'm Ben. And I'm Ben. Ben Burris is back and he's more furious than ever.

You said it. That is true. Yeah. You may recall then there's from it's June 27, 1912. It's June 27, 1912.

You're so welcome. Well, we can't you can't escape the trap. You can't escape it. I really enjoy listening to this podcast and hearing you curse my name. Oh, good.

Yeah. Everybody's gotta, you know You know. Be famous for something. He tries to Paul curses your name in a way where he's like, I really just want that guy to get possessed by a devil. Right.

That's what he says Mhmm. On a regular basis. As soon as we're off mic. He's like, that guy Ben Burrows, I hope he gets possessed by a demon with a boner. And it was like, those 2 AM texts that you send.

Yeah. He sends you lick me, fuck me, get possessed. I'm like, fuck ass. Good podcast. By the way, everybody, this is part of our spooky season.

This is the review review. New movie. What the fuck is that? Wells, let me tell you. Do it, Paul.

We're gonna talk a little bit about a new movie. Can you believe it? Oh my gosh. A decent release in the theatra. And then we will talk about part of this theatrical release in terms of franchise.

Double win for the audience. You know, it really is New. A brilliant idea. Thank you. Yeah.

We come up with great ideas. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Rhyming. Mostly just rhyming. I feel like it's mostly just Paul's caffeinated stoned brain at 10 AM.

Usually. Coming up with brilliant ideas. Yeah. My 6 brain cells are working. Let's go, boys.

What are we doing? Nunu? Oh, I love it. So clever. I'm a believer.

You're like Rumsfeld in the neighborhood. It's true. You can cut corners. We're in the burbs. Yeah.

So those movies that we're speaking about today, we're talking about 2, but one is the classic 1973. Yeah. Yeah. The Exorcist, directed by William Friedkin. And then we all 3 today as as buddies, as friends As a trio.

As, 3 amigos. Three points of If we were 3 amigos, who would be who? Oh, boy. I think I'm Chevy Chase. Okay.

I mean, I'll take either of the others. I feel like Burris is maybe more Steve Martin and I'm Hugh Martin Short. Maybe I'm not Chevy Chase. I'm El Hoapo. That makes sense.

Let's be honest. We went and saw an Exorcist, Belieber. Make me a Belieber. Yeah. Not a not a lot of Bieber in that.

Not nearly enough Bieber. It might have been more entertaining with some, like, cool dance moves. Couldn't we get a Biebs reference? Some choreography and Yeah. What if okay.

Hot pitch. Okay. Justin Bieber on tour suddenly gets possessed. In. That's all I got.

Sold. That was all of my that was the entire pitch. I think I saw a video once where he got sick on stage and did vomit and then continued the show. I might be confusing him with a different artist that did that. But Before we get into any of the movies, I feel like that was a much better starting point than whatever the starting point was for.

Do you think Exorcist believer somebody was just like, okay, Exorcist, but the inspiration is the Journey song. Don't stop believing. Just keep the hope alive. Everybody work together. No problem.

Before we get into some opinions on said movie, how's everyone doing? Yeah. Burris, how are you? What's going on, buddy? Yeah.

We haven't seen Burris for a I haven't seen you for a year. We only see him when he is on the spot. He actually only exists when he's on this podcast. Just let the cat out of the bag, Schrodinger's dad. He's an exact He only exists on this podcast.

On this podcast. If people don't listen to the podcast, he's not really there. Schrodinger's Burrows. There is a button where you click AI guest when you edit this show. That is what this is.

It me. But Burrows, are you working on anything right now? You know what? I am. What could it be?

Well, I am one of several fabulous producers who are, in prep right now for, 1448 Hollywood. Oh, that's Coming on November 3rd 4th at the Broadwater Theatre. And and tell me about the 1448, wouldn't you? Won't you? I'm so glad you asked.

Yes. Okay. We produce 14 plays in 48 hours. This is already explained. We score them, direct them, write them, perform them all in those 48 hours.

So 7 plays the first day. So Thursday night, we pick a theme, the writers go home, write a 10 minute play overnight, and then they come in the next morning, they meet the directors, they randomly draw a director, and then the directors randomly draw the cast for the show. Randomly. And then they all That's random. Yeah.

Everything's random. Then they all go off and rehearse their shows. Meanwhile, we have a band that then is creating an original song based on the theme, and they also do, intro and outro songs for every show. And we also have designers who are building sets, props, finding costumes, and everything to put together a show that then will be performed at 7:30 and 9:30. Two shows a night.

Yes. Friday Saturday night. And at that 7:30 show on Friday night, the audience writes down a bunch of themes. New themes. And at the end of that show, we draw a new theme.

A whole no new theme. Yeah. A whole new theme. And writers write another 7 plays. Overnight.

Wow. And we do it all again the next morning. Wow. And that date. That's the thing that Burris and I and a couple of other folks are working on, and, tickets are now on sale.

They are pay what you can. We believe in accessible theater. Because tickets, you know, for, like, the Geffen, $40. Yeah. I don't know about you, but that's too much for me.

Yeah. So pay whatever you can, a dollar, $5, and they're available at 1448hollywood.org. And keep in mind, this is like a dotorg nonprofit getting artists out there, art out there, challenging our limits, and doing exciting things. I believe there's about 54 artists involved. And several many, many more that, wanted to be and Yeah.

Potentially will be And more volume it again. Other points and other Yeah. Very exciting stuff. The best the best part about the festival, the thing that I love, is that we're always looking for new artists. Our roster is always, comprised of 80% what we call rookie artists and then 20% of veterans.

So we're always trying to find that market. More people and just bring this community together and build. And that's why I couldn't do it. I'm actually an old artist. I'm a 111 years old.

I knew that about you. Yeah. My photo lives in an attic in a home near Georgetown University. I actually Don't look at it. What's the address?

What's funny though, I actually saw that photo There might be some rats in the attic. I saw that photo about 50 years in the future from now, and I hypnotized myself back in time to come see you. You really wanted to fuck me, don't you? I did. I saw the photo.

I saw that photo and I was like, fuck me. Just fuck me. Lick lick me. Lick me. Fucking fuck.

What a movie. On that note Yeah. Ben. Yes. Billy.

Billy Zane. We'll do your movie next year. Shit balls. I love a Billy Zane. What are you watching?

Well, I'll keep it brief, unlike my underwear. I made I made Paul spit off his line. A lot of my stories just ended, and so a lot of new stories have started. Mhmm. I'll just mention 2, that I began watching.

I started watching the 2nd season of Our Flag Means Death on the Max, the Taika Waititi show. Mhmm. Love that series. Love it so far. And then, I started watching season 3 of loup Lupin, I believe it's the prop it's print.

Lupin is what it looks like if you read it, but it's a French speaking show with Omar Saill about the the famous French do you not do you guys not watch the show? I don't. Oh. I watch I highly recommend I know this season. Okay.

Yeah. And I just saw that the 3rd season drop is, like, I need to Lou Patchen. I believe it's the proper but, yeah, it's I love Omar Sais, and I love the series. And, those are my 2 The first season was great. Yeah.

2nd season, little disappointing. 3rd season though, rock solid so far. So that's what I'm watching. What about you, Paul? Oh, okay, me.

I've been on a bit of a trip with I mean, it's spooky season, baby. Yeah. Mhmm. So I wanted to go on a little bit of a trip around this kind of theme with movies I have and have not seen or movies that I don't really remember. I watched Wes Craven's the serpent and the rainbow, which is a movie that mostly heard of it.

Mm-mm. Revolves around voodoo. It's Bill Pullman stars. It's, it's okay. It's a little bit slow as I feel like these movies maybe tend to be movies about possession.

Just the first act can be a bit arduous. And then, I watched The Exorcist 3. Okay. Starring George c Scott. What year was that 1?

1990. And I believe he plays lieutenant Kinderman from the original Exorcist from 73. At least they share a name if it's not the same character. The detective? Yes.

He has one of my fit in the in the OG movie. He has one of my favorite exchanges when he's talking to the father and goes, do you ever go to the movie theater? Yeah. I like to talk film, like, it's such a great And that's part of the whole storyline in Exorcist 3. Oh, yeah?

Is yeah. Is that father Dyer and Kinderman and Jason Miller, whatever, they all like the pictures. Despite it being Jeffrey Dahmer's favorite movie and getting a razzie for George c Scott, I actually thought it was pretty fucking good. And then I rewatched a movie with Christopher Walken. Dad, no.

Chip, no. Chad. But I watched, a movie called The Prophecy with, Christopher Walken and Elias Cortes and Virginia Madsen and a young Viggo. And, that movie still fucking rules. Pretty fucking good movie.

Did you know that Viggo started speaking of young Viggo, did you know that he shows up in The Witness? Yes. That blew my mind. Yeah. He he's been working at it for a long fucking time, man.

He's yeah. He's the real deal. You mean Strider? You got it. Credit card.

Aragorn. Credit card. You got it. A a I guest? You got it.

You got it. What have you been watching? Okay. I listened to the Burbs episode, and then I watched the Burbs. Nice.

Because it's been a while since I had seen it. Hand over heart. Hand over heart. See, I I watched, also, like, a lot of shows have been endings. Watched Ahsoka Mhmm.

Started, Loki. Oh, so good. That first episode. I'm working my way through billions, and I just finished, Sex Education a few weeks ago I've which if you haven't seen that show, it's it's great. I've yet to see it.

I've I've heard it's good, but I've I've I haven't seen it. My children, they need more wine. And, let's see my boring wine. I'm also rewatching one of my favorite animated shows, Steven Universe. Oh, shit.

Yeah. I've I've heard of this. I've heard it's great. It's fantastic. I watched last night or the night before, I watched Casper again.

Classic. I Paul saw that movie, in a double feature. That's right. No. Well, technically not.

I actually went to Casper. My dad got got into Die Hard with a vengeance, like, and they overlapped, and I snuck into Die Hard with a vengeance. So my dad's approval was he was very cool in that moment. So can you confirm our debate on whether or not the uncle burps or farts? He squirts.

We got one of one of the one of the uncles in Casper burps or farts? Which one is it? Burps. He probably both. Is I think it's stinky, probably.

There's stinky, stretch, and Okay. So stinky. What does he do? Is he burp or anything? Shitty.

I feel like he does both. I think he just I probably just I had gross. I brought this up earlier, but I had a doll at one point of that. And if you squeeze it, it made a bad smell. And I don't know why that was something I wanted because it's just it was just old plastic with, like, lead in it that, like, never should have gotten through, like, testing their costumes.

Do you remember those, like, scratch and sift things where it's, like, scratch and sift this. It smells like skunk or rotten eggs or something and, like, kids are, like, cool. Yeah. And Mhmm. What?

Yeah. Or the Harry Potter jelly beans. Ugh. Heat this. It tastes like actual shit.

Yes. More We buy it. Please, sir. May I have some more? Ew.

Gross. Can I have some more? Yeah. No. Not at all.

No. Thank you. On the note of what we've been watching, we all watched something together. We did. We watched I'm glad we were together.

The Exorcist Believers. Sometimes, like, trauma bonding is better when you're in one group. We That way, you can all look back on it together. Trauma. I think that's pretty fair.

Would you like to tell us about this movie, Burris? He's gonna, jump in on and tell us some things. Why? Yes. I will.

Oh, thank you. The Exorcist Believer is a Bloomhouse Universal picture from 2023. Oh. Yeah. Wow.

It's fresh. Gonna go back to that year. The budget the budget was $30,000,000. Okay. Opening US box office was $26,500,000, and worldwide, it was $44,100,000.

So it's made money already. Yes. And it opened, this past weekend. That's a fairly small budget for this movie. Yeah.

It it also felt like a small budget movie. Yeah. We saw it just we saw it in Dolby Yeah. Which I enjoy watching movies in Dolby. It's it's a fun experience just in general.

Didn't need to see this in Dolby. No. Nothing about it. Anyway, keep going. There's nothing in the sound design that seemed to be happening that, like, you know, what necessitated it.

Necessitated it. Totally. But the recliners are nice. Indeed. Exactly.

Yeah. The box office opening weekend, position is number 1. Of course. Mhmm. Mhmm.

Mhmm. And it was directed by David Gordon Green, previously, of, Halloween from 2018, Halloween Kills, and Halloween Ends. And the writers are, Peter Sadler, who also wrote, Camp X-ray, Scott Teams, Insidious, The Red Door, and David Gordon Green, who also wrote All the Real Girls. Random. Yeah.

And, like, the Righteous Gemstones. I usually don't do TV. Does David Gordon Green do the Righteous Gemstones? I think he's a big part of it. Yeah.

Oh. Ellen Burstyn, reprises, her role as Chris McNeal. Other films, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore and, The Last Picture Show. And also, this is somewhat of a spoiler. Spoilers.

Spoiler. So just Beep beep beep Okay. Linda Blair reprising her role as Regan MacNeil. For, like, a hot second. Mhmm.

Previously, Repossessed and Exorcist 2, The Heretic. Interesting factoid. Oh, factoid. Oh, tell me. Oh, you're gonna be just sit on the edge of your seat here.

Okay. Sitting. Good. Bloom House and Universal paid $400,000,000 for the sequel rights to the original Exorcist. That's crazy.

That's a lot of money. Yeah. And during, negotiations, though, Warner Brothers still maintains ownership of the original film. So they can't Probably good. Probably probably smart choice.

So they can't make it. Yeah. Or distribute it under Universal. Mhmm. That makes sense.

Order made it. Why would you wanna do that? Well, let's talk a little bit about this movie. I will say here's what I'll say. We're just gonna free ball it.

We don't need to go in order for this. No. I'm just gonna say that I think up until the point the girls get possessed, the movie paces pretty well. Yeah. Like, in terms of, like, in terms of setup and exposition and, like, did we need that long of a segment in Haiti?

I don't think so. In terms of, like, setup and until they do get possessed, I was, like, okay. I'm I'm I'm at least invested in this father daughter relationship. Totally. That that that that was sort of, like, what I was tracking, because I had accidentally seen some reviews previously, and I'm I meant to avoid them.

And I saw how abysmal they were. So I was sort of already prepared for that. But I in that first, like, 30 minutes, I was like, okay. Yeah. I mean, it's slow, but so is the Exorcist really if you if you're if you're sort of, like, pacing along with it.

The Exorcist does a better job of of lay layering tension while this does not. Yeah. I felt like there could have been a lot more tension in that time where they're missing. Mhmm. There was it just felt I was like, I I know they're they're gonna come back.

Yeah. So, and you didn't do anything to help build that tension with Anything. Yeah. Well, and I found it really strange. Sorry to interrupt you.

We find out that these kids have been missing for 3 days, and there's no crying on the part of the parents. There's no elation on the elation on the part of the parents. There's just really not much on the part of the parents as you were saying, Burris. It's like, okay. We know we're gonna see these kids again.

We know from the trailer or whatever. Like, at least, like, give us some sort of emotional tie, some sort of investment that makes us care that they're even gonna come home because their parents apparently don't give a shit. Yeah. Have you guys seen the prisoners or seen prisoners? Yeah.

So I don't know the time frame for Prisoners, but I feel like the the emotional stakes of that movie are what this needed to sort of aspire to. Sure. The only point that I felt there was like some sort of like tension or urgency, and it was just like it even that it was like a sliver. Was the dad pulling, like, a complete u-turn in the car driving to the hospital? Sure.

Yeah. And then getting out of the car, just, like, walking steadfast to find his daughter in that room, in the hospital. Yeah. That was, like, the only moment of, like, wanted to get there as fast as possible to see his daughter. Where is she?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember. But no there was yeah. There was no tender, like, just elation.

Yeah. We should have said, like, skip this if you haven't seen the movie, I guess, We did a spoiler, Yeah. We can we can add it in. We'll add another spoiler alert. Yeah.

The Attention. What you're about to hear is a spoiler for The Exorcist believer. We will make you a believer. Believer. Brought to you by AI verse.

I think what you both brought up is kind of a microcosmic problem with the entire script for me where any script, any movie, but mostly script I always think of script story about exorcism is at a deficit already, because it's trying to live up to The Exorcist that has already created these expectations, these tropes, these ideas. So we as the audience, we're way ahead of everybody this entire time. Mhmm. Sure. And so unless you're gonna do something a little bit different or interesting, it's like what's the point?

And I kinda that's kinda where I came to. I felt like there were there were nuggets of concepts in the script that could have been latched onto for me, which was like when I watch things about exorcisms, I'm a atheist. I don't really believe in God. I don't believe in the Catholic religion. Yeah.

But I go with it because it's like fantasy. It's like Yeah. Sure this is part of the this is part of the lore of this world. And this movie kinda touches on theology and, like, not believing and, like, there could have been a a version of this that was more like mass, the, Midnight Mass, the, movie Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Mike Flanagan series, which is very much commentary on Catholicism. Mhmm. There's a version of the story that wants to be that, but it just kinda like touches it and then moves away. Yeah. They do open it up to the fact that exorcisms exorcisms are throughout all culture and not just, Catholicism or Sure.

You know. Yeah. Which I was like I was just hoping they'd maybe they would have done more with that. That's what I mean. Yeah.

Like that that to me is a more interesting story. When they touch on it very briefly in the original movie that this is something that is practiced in some way, shape, or form, like, all over the world by various religions and cultures. Right? And so the movie was set up again for the idea from the original. And, again, like, spoiler again, you'll hear, like, the alert underneath this.

But it's just so many things the dad the father character in this movie, and I don't mean father in terms of priest. You mean Aaron Burr. Someone's father. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, he, right. But he, he's a photographer. And in, Haiti, an earthquake occurs for whatever reason, and maybe this has to do with something. And instead of a Ouija board like we got in the first movie, we got, like, a hand puzzle thing. And, like, why why don't you make the dad, like I'm I'm even already discombobulated talking about it because he so much of this movie does work through, like, kind of lazily delivered exposition.

Sure. Where he's like, yeah, I totally believed in God and stuff. It's like, then make him some sort of religious person in the beginning of the movie, not just like a photographer. Like, there there are a lot of things I feel We didn't see his religion in the movie in the beginning. Could just be threads of ideas that that felt like they didn't actually come from anywhere.

Well, instead of, again, instead of the neighbor being some random nurse who went through a tough decision, was like, I don't know the point of my life until I needed to exercise a demon from your kid or whatnot. Now I know why God forbid here. Chris demon from your kid or whatnot. Now I know why God would be here. Right?

Chris McNeil, the next door neighbor, if you're gonna shoehorn her in to and I don't know if you 2 saw me. There were 3 times where I started to physically get up because if the 2 of you weren't there, I would have just left. Yeah. I would have gone home. I I think, honestly, like, for me, it was just mostly boring.

Yeah. Which I think is, like, the worst thing it can be calculating. Yeah. The the emotional stakes weren't there. This whole, like, team up all.

This team up group, not really interesting to me. I didn't give a shit about any of them. I liked it better than Drag Me TO Hell. Yeah. The, the missing time thing I thought was really what a cool idea and then doesn't didn't matter.

Yeah. Like, what did they and we'll we'll talk about we we we should probably move on, but we gotta rate it. Yeah. I also I I got a movie thing. If you're gonna bring back Chris Chris McNeil, Reagan?

Yeah. If you're gonna if you're gonna bring her back, use her. She was there and then, spoiler, she she gets stabbed in the eyes with a crucifix, and then that's the end of her portion of the movie, basically. Yeah. Like, they they show her, but, like, if you're gonna utilize bringing back these characters This woman is like a a legend as as a performer.

She's, like, what like, toward the tippy top of the mountain. And so it's just kind of, like, disappointing to see the way the character's written, the way the character's used. Mhmm. Some of the lines are pretty is pretty. It's pretty.

Is pretty. Is pretty. The used. Mhmm. Some of the lines are pretty The dialogue is pretty much.

It's pretty rough. And I felt bad for Leslie Odom junior as well because I think he is a very talented actor Agreed. Stuck in a pretty bad script. It's it's again it's a symptom of, like, oh, man. I don't know exactly where some things went wrong, but I have some thoughts about where they may have.

But it's like, I never wanna see this movie again. I'll say one more thing because because I noted it. One moment for me that was, like, very clearly a writer. And this is what I felt like most of the movie was was a writer writer choices. I was watching writer choices.

And the moment where it's like, oh, I know. I'll make the demon make them have to choose one of the girls to live because I learned in my screenwriting class that my character should be put into hard decisions. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, that to me was like, what the fuck?

What where's that logic come from? And the twist is that it's a trick. Yeah. But, like, right, like, it's it's creating this weird logic and lore around something that doesn't need that logic and lore and something that we're already all fully aware of what it is. Right.

If it's gonna be something new, make it make it the same fucking demon that came through in the Exorcist and make it have learned something. Or yeah. It learned how to it's now learned how to survive an exorcism or something. You know what I mean? Like Or or that demon's, like, homey or something.

That's I had hoped for, that it was gonna be the the original demon. Yeah. See, if it was the original demon And that's why they brought her back. And if it learned something. You know what I mean?

Like, it's then it's, like, oh, fuck. Now what do we do? Right? Something different. I don't know.

There it just was, like, more of the same. I I just I did not have a good time. Let's rate it. Out of out of how many whatevers, what Paul, would you like to go first? You seem you seem like you're good.

I'm more than happy to go first if that's okay. Or you know, go for it. Go for it. I'm gonna give this, you know what? I don't believe in nothing no more.

I'm going to law school. I give this one Jimbo. Who's Jimbo? Jimbo Jones from the Simpsons. I'm dumping my sack of doorknobs out.

I'm sorry, Homer and your group of vigilantes who are trying to perform some exorcism on some girls or whatever it is. I'm out. I I don't believe in nothing no more. One one. What you wanna go or do you want me to go?

I'll go. I'll give it 1 and a half wet shoes. I hate soggy shoes. The worst. I'm very I I'm very sad to have to admit this, but I I was hit by 2 jump scares that I knew was I knew they were coming.

Like the snake? And I yeah. The snake and then her pressing up against the glass. I knew they were coming, but I still went The the glass, I think, kinda got me a little bit. The snake, as he kept pulling up the stone when it wasn't necessary anymore to be pulling up the stone.

It's like, oh, okay. Well, something's happening. As soon as they had a camera shot on the stone, I was like, jump scare. Sure. I knew it.

And I but I was like, ugh, snake. You telegraphed it, but okay. It still fell for it. I'm so for me, I'm going to my little finger game and I'm going do do do do do do, and I go to the 2 and I open up and it says, oh, try again. So I'm going to 1 and a half finger games.

Yeah. Again, I thought the first, like, 30 minutes tracked okay in terms of story, and then everything after that fell apart. And actors doing trying to do their best with garbage text. I agree with that. And I'm gonna say, it's so so so so so rare, especially for horror films which rely so deep on creating atmosphere and tension with music.

This movie had almost no music. It was nearly nonexistent similar to the original. And in the original, it works to its strength. Mhmm. And in this movie, it works to, its detriment.

Absolutely. So the movie that we really wanna talk about because we all watched it recently, It's called The Exorcist. It's from Warner Brothers. It's from 1973 rated r and it's 2 hours and 2 minutes. 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Spooky season. Spooky season.

Budget It's 11,000,000. Adjusted is 76,000,000. Opening weekend was December 26th. Wow. This movie came out the day after Christmas.

Hell, yeah. Getting the getting the season, baby. Get in the get in the movie. Honestly, if a movie like this came out around Christmas, I would probably go see it on Christmas. Fuck, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I saw Uncut Gems on Christmas day, and one of the best decisions of my life. I watched Pig on Christmas day. Hell, yeah.

Great decision. Oh, that that'd be great. Final gross, North America, 231,000,000. 892,000,000. Just say that's for 2,001 because that's last time it was in the theater.

Wow. So now it would be a bajillion. It's a bajillion gajillion. A bajillion gajillion. Yeah.

Go jillion. That's what I thought. That's what I would say. Right? What did he say?

We gave a 1,000,000,000,000,000 to China. Final gross worldwide, 429,000,000 adjusted for 2,001 is 1.666,000,000. 666. Other releases this weekend, The Sting. Oh, my god.

Two amazing movies. Wow. Yeah. And Magnum Force. That's the Dirty Harry sequel?

It is. Weekend top 5. This, The Sting, paleo Papillon? Papillon, Magnum Force, Serpico. Day of the Dolphin.

Yeah. What's that? A marine biologist teaches his dolphins to communicate in English, but shady characters plan to kidnap the trained mammals for a more sinister porpoise. I see what you did. Assassinating the American president.

Finished 7 and 2 Oscar noms. Wow. You really like Day of a Dolphin. Love it. Top 5 films this year, this, The Sting, American Graffiti, Papillon.

I said it wrong again. Papillon? The Way We Were, and The Day the Dolphin Finished, 23? Come on. I okay.

Day of the Dolphin. You guys don't understand. Films of Note from 1973, Live and Let Die, Paper Moon, Serpico, The Last Detail, Westworld, the the that's the, Yul Brynner? Yeah. Yul Brynner.

Really bad movie. It is very slow. Jonathan Livingston's single and the day of the dolphin. Okay. Hey.

Calm down. You guys are all idiots. Take the off. Letterboxx average of this movie is 4. I'm on Letterboxx.

You can find me at run bmc. You can find me. I'm at paulxbadly. You can find me. I don't remember what my handle is.

At Ben here Oh, is it Ben here, Ben there? Yes. Okay. Ben here_ Ben there. I'm I don't know about the underscore.

I can't confirm. Follow Ben or I, and you'll find the, verse. Yeah. No problem. Yeah.

You can see the things that Paul wastes his time with. I just watched loose cannon starring Dan Aykroyd and Gene Hackman. See, if you're on 1 and a half stars. If you're on litter mocks, you could go and see that and go, what the fuck? And move on with your day.

Ebert and Roper at the movies. Two thumbs up for the theatrical extended version. Some awards nominations for this film nominated for 10 Oscars. Holy shit. Best picture, best actress in leading role, best supporting actor, best supporting actress, best writing from another medium That won for that.

Best director, best cinematography, best set direction, best editing, and best sound. 21 for RIP. RIP. RIP. I don't know if anyone has seen interviews with this gentleman or what he was about, but I can tell you what.

I'm not sure he would be super happy with the new one. He directed The Hunted, The French Connection, and Killer Joe. This was written by William Peter Blatty, RIP, based on his novel. He also wrote and directed The Exorcist 3. He wrote Insight and A Shot in the Dark.

Director of photography was Owen Roisman, RIP, p. The French Connection, Tootsie, and Network, one of the greatest ever. Music, Mike Oldfield, he is the writer and performer of Tubular Bells. Relax the sounds of the theme of The Exorcist. That was one of the first things I could learn how to play on piano.

Oh, terrifying. Mhmm. Yeah. And Jack Nicha, r I p. An officer and a gentleman, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Producers were William Peter Blatty and Noel Marshall, r a p. Roar and The Herrad Experiment. Ellen Burstyn, Chris McNeal, Requiem for a Dream, Interstellar, and w. Linda Blair as Regan McNeal. Savage Streets.

Scream as an uncredited cameo as a reporter in the first movie, and The Blair Bitch Project. Jason Miller, RIP, father Damien Karas, Exorcist 3, Monseigneur, and Rudy. He was era Parsigian and Rudy, the coach. Great great awesome service. Lee j Cobb, RIP.

Lieutenant Kinderman, 12 angry men, Exodus on the waterfront. Who's in 12 angry men? Lee j Cobb, the guy who plays Kinderman. I forget the The detective. Yes.

I forget who he is in 12 angry men, but he's one of the germs, obviously. Yeah. No shit, Paul. Well, yeah. Fucking yeah.

Fuck. The pride of Sweden, Max von Sydow. Rest in peace. He was how old was he? Has he always been a boy?

To guess. Is he is he is he like the Max von Sydow line? Do we need to create that? Yeah. Along with the Wilford Brimley and Reginald VelJohnson line.

I feel like he's always been an old The Vonsito line. I feel like he's always been an old guy. Me too. Me too. He like is Ming the merciless?

Yeah. As we're on that note, does anyone wanna guess how old he was at time of filming? I'm gonna guess 58. 69. He was 420.

He was only 42? He was 43. What? Oh, shit. Hold on.

I We're gonna get into it. Hold on. We're gonna get into it. I'm 5 years away from being that? I mean, if you're lucky.

What is happening? Well, get it. That's me and I'm 22. Yeah. But you have a mustache.

Don't you know? I do. So you're already halfway there. So he was 43 at the time of filming. He plays father Meryn.

He was in Flash Gordon where he was Ming the merciless. Minority Report where he plays Lamar Burgess He's so good. And the 7th Seal. He's also in Star Wars Force Awakens. He's, again, one of the greats.

I didn't hear what actor we were talking about when I was guessing, ages, but I wanna note I did notice the old age makeup that That's a piece of it. Was on. So That we'll get into. So some fun facts about this film. Jason Miller, who plays father Carys, won the Pulitzer prize, play he wrote called that championship season.

He was also the father of actor Jason Patrick from Speed 2, Rush, amongst many other films. Oh, no. Miller had a major verbal confrontation with William Friedkin after the director fired a gun near his ear on the set to get an authentic reaction from him. He told Friedkin that he was an actor, and he did not need a gun to act surprised or startled. Fuck that.

Yeah. That's that's a fair response. Insane. Yes. Due to death threats against Linda Blair from alleged zealots who believed the film glorified Satan, Warner Brothers had bodyguards protecting her for 6 months after the film's release.

The original teaser trailer, which consisted of nearly nothing but images of the white faced demon quaking quickly flashing in and out of darkness, was banned in many theaters as it was deemed, quote unquote, too frightening. Interesting. The highest grossing Warner Brothers movie ever when adjusted for inflation amongst all of their theatrical releases. Wow. Adjusted for inflation, this is the highest grossing r rated film ever made.

Wow. Jack Nicholson was considered for father Carys, and mother Marlon Brando was considered for both Carys and Maren. Friedkin said, no thank you. To both, ultimately, but especially to Brando, he just thought it would be distracting to have somebody of that. I didn't know what to do.

I get that. Yeah. Yeah. I agree as well. Max von Sydow's aged makeup took makeup effects genius legend, Dick Miller, 3 hours to apply and included stretching and gluing and forcing Vansito's skin in place mostly with liquid latex.

I have to mention, because I really only know Max Vonsito as an old man Yeah. I didn't fully track that that was old makeup. I have more than anything tracked him and imagined him as, sex god Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon as a bald guy with a mustache, Rocky and Nina being like, check out my sexy daughter. Didn't he also get an Oscar nom when he replaced Kevin Spacey in the Money movie? You're thinking of Christopher I am.

You're right. I get those gentlemen confused. Yeah. They're both, you know, very classy, fancy dudes. They bring the gravitas.

Yeah. The old age makeup is also the most notable, and also maybe it's only in this portion is when we see him come to the house. Right. Because we see him at first in Iraq. And he's wearing the old age makeup there as well.

It's just it's definitely not as noticeable as it is when he's, like, in the stark white light and cold room and all that. Yeah. For sure. No biggie. I'll cut all this shit out.

Will I? Probably not. Having listened to who knows? Paul's a Paul's a wild card. I'm pretty wild.

You're cutting daughter. I love the amount of stuff that gets left in. So Yeah. Or added. I'm always Yeah.

And added. I'm always surprised when listening. I'm like, oh, that's I don't remember that. That doll. Where did that come from?

There's a There was one occasion where in the middle of an episode, I just cut in me doing a Lionel Hutz line. The audio is totally different. Yeah. The mic's different. Like, it's like, oh, Paul doesn't give a fuck.

He does not care. Well, Burris, since you were putting on yourself a moment ago, will the audience hear that? Who knows? What's the log line to The Exorcist from 1973? Okay.

A mother must do whatever it takes to save her daughter from being possessed by a demon. You did it almost exactly correct, but you flipped the 2 sentences. Yeah. When a young girl is possessed by a mysterious entity, her mother seeks the help of 2 Catholic priests to save her life. And I'd like to add, it's got thrills, chills, and spills.

This is a film that'll make your head spin. I'm surprised we didn't have Sung Ji for this because it's a very wet movie. I'd also like to add your wife's a babe. Babe. That's just a Wayne's World quote.

I'm not saying anybody. Hey, missus Rumsfeld. No tan lines. Nice. Nice.

Kids a meatball. Truly. I love that reference. I hate you, Dante. Just all of it in my alleys.

Well, we're gonna take a break. This episode is brought to you by the spooky season and our upcoming debate debate. That's right. Alien versus aliens. We're gonna have returning guests.

It's gonna get very, very spooky. Is it me? We'll find out. Will he be zombified again, y'all? We'll see.

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A believer. Welcome back everyone to the review review spooky season. Mhmm. New new. The review review.

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That's what No. He gets He serves. I I didn't you know, it's funny because I didn't I didn't even see him, like, that purple suit just, like, he just blends in Yeah. Everything. Like it would in real life.

In the jungle? Yes. In the purple jungle. Did anyone see the video of the guy who drove through a police station blaring welcome to the jungle and just jumped out with his arms in the sky like a champion? And the cop was just like, I know he's going to prison for 30 years, like, justifiably.

Would you say attempt would they say attempted manslaughter? Yeah. Or it gotta be. On a federal building? Yeah.

Yeah. So the movie The Exorcist, what's everyone's history with that? Bruce, will you do the honors, please? I don't remember my first viewing. I know I've seen it before, but I don't remember when that was.

It was probably in high school. And prior to that though, I knew Exorcist stuff because of a little film called Stay Tuned. Mhmm. It's a good one. John Hunter, baby.

Yeah. Not not like not super you know, I I just rewatched like the sequence and it's like exercising is the is the show that they're watching. Is Linda Blair in that? Does she like make a cameo or something? I don't know.

I have to go look at it again, but I was just like, they're just like doing aerobics. Yeah. And then like, now neck stretches, and then they spin their heads all the way around, and then it goes, and now we'll vomit, and then it clicks away. Yeah. And that's I remember this.

I also I thought I remembered Linda Blair in the bed vomiting, coming around on like a turn a lazy susan like game show spin around. Oh, yeah. Maybe. But I think I made that up because I don't think that's actually in stage. I don't think it is either.

It's in a different movie. But I remember when I watched it, I remember not thinking it was scary. But knowing the history of it, but also not being religious I. What would your ranking have been in your first viewing if you remember? I don't.

I'm Do you I mean, like Any idea what it was before? It is such a it is such a classic movie. It so I I I I was probably, like I probably guess it was probably, like, in, like, a 4 or 4. Because, like, it Yeah. You know?

Yeah. At least in that range, but I I I don't remember the time that I watched it just knowing that I have watched it. Which one of us would you like to go next? Oh, he's got power. He's drunk with it.

Not you. Oh, Paul is possessed. I am going to Levitating is just a badass. He is lev oh, he's got his back's out. Yeah.

You I picked Paul. I was trying to do my best thing. Pick me. Yeah. So I picked you Paul.

Pick you. Pick you. Random lit I choose you. I choose you, Pikachu, or or that daughter. Who fucking knows?

Fuck that movie. So The Exorcist. The first time I saw this movie, was at the theater, for sure. In 1973. Wow.

Opening weekend. He's a 100 years old, people. That's right. Mhmm. But I saw this movie at the theater.

I saw the extended edition, and, I remember being mildly freaked out. Very into it, but also feeling like it was very slow until it got to, like, the last 20 minutes, and then I was, like, having the time of my life. But also in the extended edition where she, like, crab walks backward down the stairs. And, like, there are some things in the extended that, like, definitely, add some paprika through the movie that keeps you a little more tied in, but also, I just watched the theatrical version. I feel like we all just watched the theatrical version.

Yeah. But if I am to rate it based on my first viewing at the theater, first viewing on DVD or, 8 track Betamax. Mhmm. It was it was like a 4. It was like a 4.

And then it eventually over the years, I really sat down and watched this movie probably 5 or 6 years ago. It's like a 4a half 4a half Ouija boards. Oh, I forgot to use an item. You get to you you know what? I have time.

I I get my new ratings. Hey, listen. It's dangerous to go alone. Take this, an item to use for later. You can add it.

It's okay. Also, that reminded me, I've I've seen the extended cut. Sure. So whatever I watched originally was the must have or at some one time must have been the extended cut. I I don't think I saw this movie in, like, full viewing until 2020.

Woah. I I always knew about The Exorcist. I always knew, you know, the Weird. The beginning of Scary Movie 2 Oh, yeah. Was the first time that I Yeah.

And I rewatched that actually today. Didn't rewatched. Made fun of me? You make fun of me? Well, it's funny.

They so that It's not. It it starts that that's that opening starts with them all around the piano. Andy Richter is the, is the priest. Mhmm. And, Natasha Lyonne is the little girl, which I didn't realize until I rewatched it.

And James Woods is the, Max von Sydow. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Trump supporter, James Woods, in case you need I think legally, you can say that because I think legally, it's true. So, Billy, please don't deliver us anything from James Woods' attorneys.

We told for a Billy appearance? I just remember because Nope. We're clear. That was my first that was my first time. And then I and then I saw the extras.

But the but that moment of the in the scene where Regan is like, your mother isn't here with us. Would you like to say something? And Andy Richter goes, yeah, mom. Would you get out of here? And his mom comes out from the bed, like, you're no fun and leaves.

Right. But, yeah. I watched it in true in 2020 and fucking loved it. I I mean, it I probably would've given it 4 rat traps in the time frame. With the bait still in them.

Yeah. Loaded rat traps. So that's where I was. But we all just rewatched this movie. I think I'm gonna note this before we give our current ratings.

None of us are parents. None of us have children. I have a cat. I was just gonna say he has a cat, and you have a cat. We're cat dads.

But I can't believe can empathize directly was trying to do. It sure it does try, doesn't it? Yeah. It sure does. It gets a trophy for trying.

Yep. It is 2023. It didn't participate, but it was try. So, Burris, you recently rewatched this. Yes.

What order would you like to go in now? Oh, he is his head has Oh, shit. Gone to 360 around his neck. Bad. Oh, wow.

I rewatched this movie last night. I had a fucking great time. The the production design, the lighting, the atmosphere, and the performances are all fucking rock solid. It's a 4 and a half of split pea soups for me. Okay.

Good mechanic coronary. Working on split pea soup. Alright. I thought you just go for it. It's, it's 4 and a half Ouija boards for me after watching it last night.

I just fucking a man. William Friedkin, what a what a fucking incredible filmmaker. I have never seen Sorcerer, which apparently is like Oh. This hidden gem of his that's apparently incredible. But I love Bug.

I really love Killer Joe. French Connection is, like, goated, and so is this fucking movie. Good lord. As I said before, what a thing to take upon yourself as a film to a horror film to say, we're gonna kind of forego most of the music and just rock a theme Mhmm. More prevalently than anything else.

And maybe not in the music piece of it, but the foundation it built, like, of core like, we talk a lot on the show about what became before, like, Rosemary's Baby was before this. Sure. But then we get this and then the things that that are inspired to whatever degree By this? That just, like, quick hit me are like The Omen, Evil Dead, Nightmare on Elm Street, Poltergeist. There are so so many things.

Yeah. It opened up an entire horror genre. Yeah. I mean, there's an exorcist genre. Yes.

Thanks, Russell Crowe. Exorcism pope or whatever it's fucking called. What's it called? I don't know. I'm the exorcism pope.

Popeing around the world. Russell Crowe? Exorcist of Randy. Alright, Taga. It's really good.

Really brought it back there. Yeah. Yeah. Singed it there. It started it started in, like, 9 hours.

Questioning, and then I I was like, oh, no. There it is. Yeah. Burris, you want you said I'm gonna spoiler alert. You watched this at least twice between yesterday and today.

I watched it twice. I watched it on Friday. I watched it on Sunday. Yeah. That's true.

And then I and then I watched it last night. Okay. So I believe me. Believer in me when I say he's gotta have, like, a very high or a very low score to have watched it twice in that amount of time. Baby baby baby score.

I'm gonna keep it nice and boring here, and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. It's 4.5 Saint John, pendants. Are they not? I thought it was Saint Christopher. Maybe.

I don't know. I thought it was I thought I I thought I read I thought I read it was John the Baptist, but that might be it's it's, it was whoever the I don't know. Whoever the patron saint school? That doesn't matter. Whoever the patron saint of a good death, I think is what it's what I read.

Okay. And I don't hold this to me, listeners. I I'm gonna contact your if I told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against me? I've never been a religious person, but I've gone to schools that, you know, they have a religion. Well, we went to the same college and there was no religion there.

Yeah. No. There was no way. There was no way. No God.

Satan. No God. Creat of satanic worshipers. Just so you know. It is not natural to be frozen for that long and come back and be so fucking red.

They understand that Brendan Fraser is the true messiah. Oh, man. So he was like a mummy, and then he fought the mummy. Alright. So this movie begins.

It does. Hey, let's get into it. I have a lot of views about this movie, but I still I I really enjoyed it, and I'm just gonna say that. Yeah. We're gonna kinda I I'm interested to see why we all enjoyed it because I feel like we're all gonna hit different aspects.

We're gonna do our best to go in the movie in order as per usual, but we may shoot us around. We do you know how that goes here. All asides We are drinking the body in the blood. Josh. The body in the blood.

The power of the body in the blood. We have red wine. The power of Josh Kapelser. We have red wine to have the Christ blood. Oh, shit.

My glass is dripping. And, lick me. Sun chips. Okay. Got it.

And sun chips, which are the known body of Christ. Yes. Yes. It is the whole effort with the most introduction for you. I used to think sun chips were like a healthier offer.

A healthier chip. And they definitely aren't. Garden salsa. Do you know there's a picture of a tomato on these chips. They're definitely not.

I had my one of these chips. They're definitely not I had my vegetables for the day. They're just Sir, we are checking you in here because you are severely malnourished. I'm sorry, doctor. I believe you're mistaken.

I've been eating the garden salsa sun chips. I'm a sun chip man. Every season is sun chip season. Mhmm. Sun chips, body of Christ, not healthy.

Moving on. Dry as Northern Iraq. So we started Northern Iraq. Exactly. I did not remember that this movie started there.

The only reason I love that it does. The only reason I remembered it is because I play the game Framed, and I have been playing it for, like, 2 years now, which is the daily you see a clip from a movie and you have to guess what's the clip from a movie and you have to guess what's happening. I see it. I do too. I recall this one because it was the face of the demon statue in Iraq Pazuzu.

As the first one. And I I remember looking at me like, Exorcist. I wish it showed the dick. That's what I was thinking. But What's that big dick?

The fa what's it? Father A little dick. Maren Maren. Is is in is in Northern Iraq on a dig? An archaeological, religious based artifacts.

Effect. And he finds a small figure Trinket that is looks like a looks like a demon. Does look it looks like a jade or some sort of, yeah, adventureite adventuring. It belongs in a museum. So do you.

Get off my wife. Lick me. This is gonna happen. Get my wife out of here. Lick me.

I don't care. Such a quotable movie. I didn't lick my wife. I didn't kill my plane. What?

I just okay. So we're in Northern Iraq with father Maren. Vlog so much. And we go through these trinkets and the big dick demon statue. Yep.

And every it just feels very sinister. There's the very small amount of music. Everything just feels like hot and dirty and kinda, yeah, just sinister. Yeah. And I don't have you seen Midnight Mass, the Mike Flanagan series?

I felt like there was a callback in that when we see the father in the Middle East or wherever he goes to in that series. I feel like it probably hit me when I was watching it. I'm almost sure. Like, you're striking some sort of chord. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. This this to me is a is a phenomenal way to set this movie up because it's so different from the rest of the movie. Yeah. But it does it does give you that, like, tension where you're, like, what the fuck is going on?

When you feel, like, the tone and the tone even carries, like, we get that great font. I mean, we all love the font. Yeah. Right? Like, the title cards are fucking awesome.

Mhmm. But it transitions from Iraq to Georgetown and you get, like, just religious church like Catholicism whatever imagery throughout this movie everywhere. Just the church, the university, the idols, the crucifixes. It's it's, like, nonstop. Yeah.

But it transitions to that imagery and then the noises in the attic. Like, it does with sound effects. It just connects immediately. Something has entered this situation. Even going back to east still in in Northern Iraq, the, the 3 guy, the pounding, the the they're shaving a piece of metal with the hammer.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Ting. Ting. Ting.

Ting. Ting. Ting. Ting. Ting.

Ting. And then he looks up. He's missing an eye. I was like, it's just it's all it's setting a tone of of what's happening to to the father, but also just I don't know. It's it's it feels eerie and then everyday life, but then just, like, little quirk things here and there.

Just It is you know, in 2023, it is there's a slight xenophobic perspective in this I feel like where it's like, is it just, like, creepy because this is a white dude in a Middle Eastern place? But it it's not it doesn't go there. But I like that they kind of established at some point that the the, you know, native folks there are kind of like looking at him like, why is this, like, super old guy here doing x, y, or z? Like, he just kind of sticks out like a sore thumb Yeah. Like, more than anything else.

They just make it obvious that he's like stranger in a strange land. Like, you're he's kind of, like, meddling maybe where he shouldn't. Sure. Yeah. And, like, clearly, there is an understanding.

It seems like when he views when he see before we get to the Georgetown, when he sees the demon statue and it's all its bone or glory Yeah. And we see the dogs fighting, which they kind of tried to re I was just gonna I was gonna say that. They they bring that back in in believers. Like dogs fighting. Yeah.

Dogs fighting. That's perfect. That's why Michael Vick is a big fan of it. Now we've now we've we've got the audience now. I don't know.

Can he ever be reformed from that? I don't know. I hope so. Right? One hopes.

Holy shit. I mean, he's out of he's out of prison, so one hopes he's been rehabilitated. But the, yeah, the presence of that demon statue and the dude who's looking at him always looking at there there is this, like, unease already. And then we get to Georgetown and we meet Chris McNeal, and she is a, a a rich lady. I love that.

Yeah. I love that choice. She's an actress. She's a famous actress. When we we get the dichotomy of her being a famous actress, being a known person, being affluent, being very protected, being in a bubble, and we see father Carys for the first time.

Mhmm. Who's a boxer who, again, like, this fucking dopey tie in in the sequel where it's like He's a Greek. Leslie Odom is a boxer, and it's like, why? It ties into I totally understand. I just I just realized that.

And at least in the original, the lieutenant or whatever the kinder man says, you look like a boxer, and it's mentioned by his uncle the boxing, or he could have been famous in psychology. But as we meet him before we know all these things, he's going to visit his mother in this fucking horrible neighborhood Yeah. And probably got into the Jesuits or whatnot because his mom wanted him to. Does it seem like it almost seems like to me that you could almost say they're parallel protagonists in this? I love that we get the 2 of them that they're both she's becoming a lot more spiritual as he's kind of saying, like, I need fucking out of here.

My faith is broken. I I doubt, like, I I can't do this. The guilt that he has for not being there for his mother. Right. I love that we have these 2 different, like, storylines going Yeah.

That'll eventually converge. We we know what's gonna happen, but And it's never sexual. It's never on the table. It's never part of it. And that's the thing is, a, horror movies are usually pretty horny, and, b, movies usually have some sort of romantic, right, like, thread or some sort of love story.

And that's hinted at well, holy shit, literally in the next scene where we're in the basement with Reagan and Chris. Well, I just wanna mention, like, that Chris's house, she has 2 employees, the 2 Swedish I think so. 3. She has, like, an au pair, a maid, and a butler. Oh, yeah.

Au pair. Mhmm. I thought that was her, like, personal assistant. Or yeah. Yeah.

It's her personal assistant. Yeah. The maid and the butler are they're both Swedish. Right? I think they it's implied that they know each other that they because she kinda scolds him at a couple points, I think.

So I thought they were married. I yeah. I I just figured they've worked together in that house long enough that they just have that. Yeah. Or they're employees of the house because I think she's renting the home while she's shooting a movie there or something.

And Chris tells him there are rats in the attic, and he's very adamant to say there are no rats. There are no rats. There are no It's clean. Rats. Yeah.

And well, then clean rats then. Yeah. Which is a great line. I mean, the rat The script in this movie is just It's so fucking toint ish. Which is not like, just coming back to the David Gordon Green script.

It's like this the dial I feel like David Gordon Green can't write dialogue. I don't know. Hot take? I mean, I feel like Halloween worked to but then every movie I've seen since his then, the dialogue has just been trash. Halloween ends is real fucking hard.

But didn't on a lot of levels. Danny McBride write part of the script for some of those? Sure. First one. So, like so There are various through lines.

That's that's also my favorite. I'll be forgetting to talk about the trilogies. The Halloween trilogy. Yeah. And I I'll I'll give that to Danny McBride for that.

The 2018 Halloween, I really, really love. But the the in the basement, the 18 Halloween, I really, really love. But the the in the basement, this is what the the believer one is lacking. Reagan and Chris have a relationship. They chase each other around.

They laugh. You feel love. They talk about her dad. When they're in the basement, they talk about, like, the Ouija board, and I love how, like, the lens moves Yeah. By itself.

And Chris goes, oh, you really don't want me to touch it, do you? As if, like, she thought, oh, Reagan must have moved the lens. But I feel like at that moment, I don't even know if it was a demon. It might have just been Reagan doing some sort of trick. It might have been flicking.

Yeah. But she said it was captain howdy. Captain howdy. That's right. But she might just be a playful kid.

Like, that's Exactly. The beauty of the movie. That's the one of the great things I wrote this down on my on my really chicken scratch If you are here, which you're not, you wouldn't notice that Burris has a terrifying notepad as if he is a serial killer. It's literally John Doe from 7. It's it's pretty bad.

And I don't I don't I can't read a lot of the stuff that I wrote. Did you put wait. What's in the box? What's in the box? Spooky.

But I I I I wrote down, like, just the the innocence. We see the innocence of the child Yeah. Yeah. And that and the loving relationship that between the parent and the daughter and or or the parent and the child, you know, it's so important to say, and the child, you know, it's so important to set that. Yeah.

I looked in the box by the way. Oh, shit. No worries. Just Gwyneth Paltrow's head. We're fine.

Oh, great. I was hoping that's what it was. That's where I left it. So I'm glad he's still there. My faith like father Carys.

I love he and Dyer have, like, a really good relationship. When Dyer comes over to his place and they drink scotch together and they would go to the pictures and whatever. And just like when Carys is at various points when he's like, I've I've lost my faith. I gotta I can't do this anymore. I'm points when he's like, I've I've lost my faith.

I gotta I can't do this anymore. I'm I'm done. I I love that he goes and sees his mom and they have pasta or whatever. And He loves his mama. Yeah.

And, you know, like with the with the Greek background, like, that's a big like, the the matriarch and food, like, that's such a huge part of their their family. And it seems like he is the only child. I think she has a brother's uncle. Yeah. Still alive.

I I just it's almost like this movie, the script, the novel, the direction, the actors that make it sing. So many things about this movie assume that the people watching it are probably at least average intelligence, which I really appreciate. And then I watched this other movie today that made me feel like it assumes I'm the dumbest fucking person that's ever lived. You're talking about the movie that we saw together. Correct.

I picked up on that. Well, you know what? And I think that we're talking around this, but we're all talking about the same thing, which is what is really successful about a lot of movies, but in these particular genre is that it's about a parent and a and their child. And Like, that's that's the crux of the movie. The establishment of the relationship, like, when she comes downstairs after Chris puts her to bed and she's, like, you're gonna die up there to the astronaut guy while she's in a trance and, like, pees all over herself or whatever.

And, like, Chris takes her up and bathes her and puts it, like it's, like, it's all very, like, nurturing and There's substance. There's there's Yeah. It's like, oh, take a bath. I I I'm bye. I gotta go.

I also felt like just to, like, bring it real quick, I feel like the editing in the new one is pretty bad. I love, like, the very abrupt editing in this movie because it, like, that's part of the atmosphere and what is, like, fuck, it keeps you from feeling steady Or like you're on steady ground. Ben, what you were talking about for me, you sit in places for a really long time or a lot of close ups in the new one, and then you sometimes get those abrupt edits, but I never ever feel like I'm on shaky ground. I never. You mean what do you you mean when I was talking about the first, like, 30 minutes?

No. I Just in general? I I did not enjoy myself today. No. I'm not.

You didn't feel the shaky ground during the earthquake? I got that. I get that. Yeah. Oh, the earthquake shaky ground.

Wow. I think that's like the one stop where you didn't like this movie. What about the shaky bed? Yeah. I like that in Exercises.

Well, before she gets because she comes she says she tells her mom that she couldn't sleep last night, that her bed wouldn't stop moving. Yeah. Yeah. And when Chris checks out in the attic and the rat traps are still full and the handle flame that Just the handle flame that made me jump. Was fucking dope.

It made me jump. And then the sweet dude being like, what's you doing? Or whatever he says. Like there are no rats. Yeah.

And it's clean rats, sir. And then we, like, again, the abrupt cut to the desecrated statue that has, like, the crazy big curved dick and the weird cone titties. Yes, Burris. Burris says, why? You are never coming back here.

Never ever. I drew this during the podcast. We need to take a photo of that. Seal. Couldn't be I wanted to remember to to talk about this.

Are you sure that's not a And firecracker popsicle brand popsicle tits. Oh, in the church. In the church. And I gave her Yes. I I gave her I gave the statue, like, the Charlie Brown squiggly, sword.

What does he find father Karas finds in the church? Well, and even in that moment, like, you know, no music, flowers are being dropped. It's very, like, serious. It feels very somber, and we see the desecrated statue. And even in that moment, this movie is, like, kind of funny to me at times.

Like, it has moments of levity whether they're on purpose or not. Yeah. But it's like you see the statue and whoever did it did it or whatever happened or why, for a second, you're kinda like, like, it's like it's just you drew it, Burris, and it's got like ridiculous, like, Madonna Cohn brought to you. Well, that's that's what's in the that's what happened. Yeah.

And it's kinda wrong. And it was like Demon feels just mischievous. It feels like it's from Gremlins. Yeah. The one thing I was trying to do while I was watching this film was trying to connect all of the dots.

I have a question since There's just 3 points. You're trying to do that. Beep beep beep beep. Do we so so in rewatching this recently, I was think what's really great about this movie is the mystery Mhmm. Drawing you in, keeping you, like, guessing, trying to figure out what's happening.

Yeah. What is it that actually makes the demon possessed Regan? That's what I think is so great. It's, like, in the new one that they kinda tried to recapture, is it when they're in the sewer, which they kinda laid on thick that I think it is? Is it the number trap thing?

Is it her mom's object? Like, what is it? In this movie, it's like, is it the Ouija board? Is it the what is it? Okay.

Going for believer first, just because we just said that first. I mean, that one, it's just I I think it's them trying to, spoiler, callback to like, trying to communicate with the mother. Trying to communicate. Yeah. They didn't have that object, they opened up the door to anything, and then they got, I guess, they got sucked down in the hell for 3 days.

It's too definitive. Yeah. That's part of what does not work. Yeah. I don't want or need an explanation for that.

And the last several days since, like, watching the film, like, what how how did Reagan get possessed? And I was like, oh, I was like, maybe it's the Ouija board, but I think it's also, like, mister captain Howdy. Like, I was like Captain Howdy. Like, I think Is it just something in the house? Yeah.

Is it I don't think there's anything that you can really, like, pinpoint as the thing that causes it. And that's something that I was trying to connect, like, again, when I watched the film a second time, I was like, how do I connect the dots from Northern Iraq to this pendant, from the the the the demon head statue to it happening in this house Yeah. With this little girl. Like, is there anything that connects all these things? And I Not directly.

I don't No. And I and I also I I I, like with that. I am okay with that. The movie, like that's why I watched it again because, like, I was, like, I feel like I'm missing something, but I'm but I'm not, and it doesn't matter. And you don't need this whole skill in at all.

I don't is one of those things though, like, I feel like because this is the alpha of Exorcist movies, like, this this set the precedent Mhmm. That we are now oversaturated with that kind of content and story, and they've all had to figure out a way to solve this exact thing. Whereas, if you just take this in a bubble and you and just talk about it without anything around it, the fucking, like, mystery of it is is the best part. Yeah. And it's just like the father's But we don't know what's happening.

Backstory. This is this family. This is this mother this priest and his dealing with his mother. And now we're gonna watch them all confirm that that's how it connects. Viewers we have no idea as viewers what an exorcism what a demonic possession is.

We don't know what that is. Right. We don't we don't know what's happening. Well, I'm like, I I think the Exorcism of Emily Rose was the thing that, like, caught fire for the exorcism genre again, like, 20 years ago or whatever it was. And, like, that's a solid movie to my memory.

Yeah. Very solid movie. And this movie has such a strong a and b story Mhmm. In terms of Chris kinder man and the other priest, father, fuckity bang. Fuckity bang.

Father, I'm Yeah. I'm not gonna do that. Alter boy or whatever. But we see the party that they have and the drunk direct we mentioned Chris is an actor. She's in a movie and the director of, what's his name?

The director of the movie, Burke. Burke. What's Burke got to do with it? What's Burke got to do? What's Burke got to do?

Got to do with it. What's Burke but a twisted head dead man? He's the 2nd unit director? I mean, no. He wasn't.

But I mean, he should be. I mean, fuck that guy. But he's also a twisted head of dead man. Because that's Sheesh. They let Well, Carys' mother is dead now.

Yeah. She she went to an insane asylum. His uncle shames him for not becoming a famous psychiatrist or boxer or whatever. His mother goes into a sane an insane asylum and dies, and he blames himself for this. As we've had one real solid scene with her well and another scene with her still pretty well, but, like, in the throes of dementia something.

But why did you put me here? You did this to me. Yeah. Dyer. Jimmy.

We we learn about the mother's death from Dyer who says that she died and was discovered 3 days later. 3 days later because she was in that shitty neighborhood. So I think I think the timelines over the last hospital? The expo Oh. No.

I think the exposition overlaps. I know. Yeah. I don't Maybe. I don't think there are actually perpendicular timelines that are happening.

I think that that we're seeing his we're seeing Carys' exposition while we're seeing the the actual story happening in real time. Yeah. What I thought what I thought it was was we we see the mother in the asylum. Asylum. Yeah.

And then none of them want her there. And so She doesn't want they let her go home, and she dies at home. And 3 days later 3 days. He comes and visits. It's possible.

It's possible. That's what I thought. I thought it was, like, it was so interesting way of showing the passage of time by hearing it from this I do think that exposition is happening at a different time, though. That's Yeah. Earlier.

That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So this is when we actually have, like, the big party with all the famous people and Burke being a shithead to the Swedish guy calling him a Nazi Yeah. And Reagan pissing all over and more cold, blah blah blah.

Yeah. And Bert goes home trashed. Very trashed. And I was watching with subtitles on, and before he leaves, he just goes fuck and leaves. Like, he knows he fucked up.

Like, he knows he's a piece of shit. Almost definitely. And then Regan starts sleeping with the window open. Yeah. Things start to get a little Visions of Pazuzu here, the demon.

There's the windows open earlier also, even before the parties. A couple of times. Yeah. And it's like chili as fuck in that room. They used an actual refrigerated room.

Oh, I have to mention, Freekin does a such a good job of showing that staircase Everything. Yes. Of giving us that staircase so many times. I almost did this as staircases instead of Ouija boards. I came very close.

Oh. Because those staircases also a very big deal in the third one. Mhmm. The George c Scott, Brad Dourif. I gotta note, as we're on this, aside, babies, in the Exorcist 3, Brad Dourif, who is the voice of Chucky, Charles Lee Ray, child's play, in Exorcist 3 says, child's play, my dear lieutenant.

And then it cuts to, like, a little blue eyed red headed kid with freckles, and I just burst out laughing. Oh, shit. Exorcist 3 had me in stitches several times. Like, I had a really good time watching that movie. I'm surprised you jumped, Exorcist 2 The Heretic.

Because that movie fucking blows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That movie sucks ass. I I am gonna watch all of them now. Oh, wow. He's gonna do a Mike Bowers, which we know is Yeah. Is a full The the Regentist.

The Regentist. The Regentist. Paul Schrader, which I don't remember who did the Dominion or the Prequel. Which is the prequel? Those are I don't know.

They're both bad. That's Paul Schrader. Right? But I think Did you watch the 2 different cuts in 2 different I did watch the season. I heard it was good.

I watched the first season. I liked it. Okay. Burris, sad face. I'm trying to remember.

I was it pulled me in and then and then it didn't like, I think this first season I don't remember how many seasons there were, but I only watched the first season. It was my fault, right? Season. I think so. It was.

I never watched It had me, and then there was a moment I was like Just when I thought I was out. There you go. You have to lick me back in. That's a noise for me sometimes. Lick me back in.

Well, the William Licken. Lieutenant Lickenman. Yeah. The the gradual buildup of the noise in the attic, of the bed shaking, of Reagan getting sicker and more pale or whatever it may be, the reveal of Billy Zane living in the attic. And then ultimately, like, the very first We have Billy Zane's in the attic.

The second It's captain Billy Zane. Yes. Captain howdy, Billy Zane. Reagan not, like, doing a passive thing, like, maybe sleepwalking and peeing and saying, like, you're gonna die, is about to get stuck with a needle because she's about to get go through every fucking scientific test known to many. And in the seventies, those things looked terrifying.

Yeah. You fucking bastard. Like, when she says that, you're like, holy shit. That version of an MRI or what? It's an arteriogram.

I asked my stepdad about this because Oh, okay. I watched that scene, last night and then texted him way too late. I apologize now. Honestly, podcast sleep by, like, 8 PM. So Yeah.

Yeah. You should But this was, like, it was, like, midnight. Yes. Well, because it was an emergency. I mean, it looks it it's a, like It's terrifying.

It's The way we, like the way you, like is. Blood you you give blood now, like, if you yeah. The way like, they put the thing in, they pull it out, then you're just squirting blood sitting there. I'd love that. Put in a a a wire and you pulled it out and then put the tube in finally.

I need it to do a spinal, I think. Right? Yeah. So he was just he in reality, the procedure is was much less invasive and painful, and our arterograms are no longer commonly used. So our arteriogram is when she gets her head scanned?

Yes. So it's basically, they they, you can do it for hearts, for your brain. It depend and it depends, they'll they'll put it in a different spot depending, but it's so they put something into your bloodstream so you then, like, it'll show up in the, the x rays Scans. To to see the That's what okay. I see.

Yeah. So they were doing, like, now nowadays, we have MRI and CT scans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So before then, they use these to, to diagnose brain disorders. Hey. Way to go, NASA. Yeah. But yeah.

That I like it seemed just like it was messy. Like, the blood's just squirting everywhere. It was like this cancer. It was that The noise of that thing Go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go things that are because as they're like, don't fuck. Don't you move.

Don't move. Yeah. As they're like sticking shit in her neck and and she's making shit head down. Fucking by the way, we've talked about performances a lot this evening. And I've also, on this program, given a hard time at times to, like, child actors.

Holy fucking shit. Linda Blair is so good. Yeah. Yeah. Was she nominated?

So she was for best supporting actress, nominated at least. And they like, the again, kind of going, like, from the black and white to Carys, like, leading mass and the the doctors essentially apparently, this, like, weird archaic thing where all these people, like, dress up in light smoke and drink wine and call it the blood of Christ is the thing that makes sense in this case. Because every psychiatrist, psychologist, doctor, every test, they're like, oh, it's a frontal lobe thing. We'll do another thing, another test, another this, another that. And they're all, like, very hesitant to suggest exorcism, which I like.

It doesn't come up until very deep into movie. Mhmm. But then they also suggest it not as, like, a reality it's more of a psychological thing to bring the person back. The so I'm not a whole psychological thing. To them, you do an exorcism to help them cope and and and come back.

It's really tough to, just to, like, correlate that to believer because it's really tough, I feel like, as a writer, if you're creating another story in this universe to act as if that wouldn't have been world famous. Right. You know? Because, like, what the fuck? I mean, this is, like, a famous actress and Yeah.

And it's you're basically confirming the Catholic theology is the that's basic. Right? We're basically saying, like, demons and angels exist. For a 1000000 Or at least demonic possession, like, something something evil can enter you and But they can be exercised via God, Jesus. Any any religion though.

They also they they make that very clear that, like, it's it's something that's It's belief. It's all about belief in whatever it is that you're, like, preaching. Which is another question I have just in general for this franchise, I guess, is are we to believe because you are as a as a practicing atheist, which is a oxymoron, am I to believe that because you either say either one is theology is right or all of them are wrong. Are we to imagine that all of them are right? And I think that's what the new movie is positing, and that this movie brings up to a short degree where it's like, this sort of thing has existed forever.

It's about belief in what you were saying, Burris. Like, the power of suggestion, like, such a powerful performance by the person performing that exorcism that the person having the psychological episode just buys it. Yeah. Like, that's what they're trying to float. I think the doctors are saying, like, she's psychologically broken in a way that, like, we can't explain, so you need to bring in, like, Golden Hawk, Paul's mom.

Burke Burke is now dead, we find out, and we visit a hypnotherapist And you know what's great? To help out. I feel like is that we don't ever see Burke. We don't see him die. No.

No. Just mentioned. No. We see we see her drive by be said. It's better said than when we show her.

We see the mother we see the mother drive by the, the scene of the crime, because we see, the sirens or police lights. Yeah. And a crowd of people, but she just drives right past it Right. And thinks nothing of it. Nothing of it.

I got I gotta say too, like, just the sweeping shots of the fucking Georgetown campus are so and just, like, everything just feels constantly, like, it's surrounded by religion, spirituality. Like, it just feels overpowering, which, like, just helps the movie in a big way. We've said that this movie is is is somewhat slow going. Is it though? It is a little bit.

I don't think it is. But so here's my thing. It's like but every shot and every the whole thing, it all of it's drawing you in. Yes. It's not because it like, as we like, the last 20 minutes, it goes, goes, goes.

Like but we're waiting to get to that point, and you'd think that that would be really boring, but it's it's not. Nothing feels on your shirt. I kept thinking about. I wouldn't say it's not I wouldn't say it's boring. No.

No. I was, like, I'm I was interested the whole time. But it just like, it's very it's slow moving, but it I am engaged in watching. Also important, I think, to recognize the fact that, like, movies didn't move like Marvel movies in the seventies. Totally.

Well, it's it's important in movies like The Exorcist in 1973 to have fucking Kinderman and Carys talk to each other and be, like, you wanna go to the pictures? You like movies? Like, because people occasionally talk to each other like this, especially, like, cops who want information from people or whatnot, they wanna, like, chum up to you. Yeah. They like talking film.

It just feels like real life a lot of the time. You wanna do a podcast with me, Kith? And that wasn't I just wanna make sure, like, that wasn't a complaint about the film. Like, that was, like it was something that, like, just drew me in. I was like, it's real it's refreshing.

Just smurched the movie. It's refreshing too. No. I think it is. It is.

And I think but, like, the pace of I think it takes patience with a 2023 brain to watch a 1973 movie, not necessarily for me, but I think just for the mass Yeah. There are some that are that way, but this one was it was really easy. It's I think I try it. I watched it twice. You know?

It's timeless. And, like, the 4 k transfer looks fucking amazing. It looks I watched this on my QLED TV, and I was fucking over it. I think the lighting, the the the cinematography, they're all just so fucking good. It just it it it's all purposeful, like you said.

There's nothing on accident. Yeah. So, yeah, Burke is dead. And Kinderman, like, suspects, is it potentially Reagan? Yeah.

Well, I mean Kinderman shows up. Literally he's doing his job as a detective. Yeah. He's and he's doing his due diligence. He's interviewing Chris.

He's already interviewed the, the priest. Yeah. And, like, if I'm him, I'm coming to the same conclusion at this point. I'm, like, there was only one other person in that room. Yeah.

And it's, like, did he convince himself to throw himself or what, like, what was the deal? Turned around by a giant man. But one, it's like it looked like it happened before the fact. Yeah. So They said, yeah, the dead and then thrown.

Yeah. Because his head was completely turned around. Yeah. I do the the kinder man asking for the autograph for me is so fucking effective as a grown up and somebody who's had some work in the industry and gotten, like, weird emails or whatever from people. Where Hold on.

Hold on. Can we pause? Yeah. You got weird emails from who? Should I break I I got a couple say that and then not I've gotten a couple, like, emails from, like, randos that are, like, I saw you one sticks out in my mind.

Like, I saw you in various roles and various things and just know, like, you have a fan. And if you ever want somebody to, like, worship you, you have someone. Let me know. Alright. So just to be quick That's pretty terrifying.

So if you're listening That was me. Oh. In case you were curious I was hoping. That's why you came here. That's why you looked at that picture long enough.

Well, that's why Fuck me. No. That's why I joined that UCB class. That's how it all came together. You thought you were trolling me.

But yeah. I did. But you were coming after me the whole fucking that's you looked at the picture to get to that day. To back in time. To that day.

Well played. Really well played. Shit, bro. Respect. Long game.

Game recognized game. Long game for this short four. And I don't think you ruined either of your lives in the process. Not at all. Not well Not yet.

We'll see. We'll see. To be continued. None of us died. The kinder man thing where he is like, can you sign an autograph for my daughter?

And she's like, what's your daughter's name? And he can't answer and say like, it's for me. I used to, like, see that moment and kind of laugh. And now, like, I watched it and was, like, watching Ellen Burstyn and how she's just like, Jesus, you're like, you want my autograph. My kid is upstairs fucking dying.

Yeah. And you're here because, like, you think she maybe killed this guy, and, like, your main concern or whatnot is, like, getting my fucking autograph. And it's, like, painful to, like, make her the focus of the scene of my attention anyway in that scene because she is like, she does not find that, like, pleasant or funny or cute after he says, actually, it's for me. Well, I feel like in this movie, it's hard not to compare to the one we just watched, but you feel the desperation of I actually find it very easy to not compare. No.

But I mean, in terms of just, like, what went wrong. It's like you feel Chris' desperation. You feel like she's at the end of a rope. They've they've hit every potential option for her. This is a parent with every avenue, every ability, every dollar, every resource, every person to help her child get better.

Yeah. Anything and everything. Doing whatever it takes. That's part of what makes this movie so fucking effective is like, hey, even this person with this access in this situation, in this case, is helpless. It's fucked.

You know, and I get And she performs it so well. I hate to bring it back to fucking believer, but, like, another opportunity in there to You love it. Well, you monster. Because there's so many missed opportunities. Another opportunity in there to, like, touch on the fact of, like, how some people don't have access to health care.

Right. And like No. It's more important that he boxes too. But I like that's what I was thinking. I was thinking like, well, these these hospital visits his daughter's going to, this this asylum that she's in, how much is that costing this photographer?

Yeah. It's more important that all the religions come together to fight the bad guys and only one can live as a result rather than All the religions except 2 of them are basically Christian because they're Catholic and Christian or something, and then then one of them is something. Something that they don't touch on, and I was I was hoping it would have been something relating to, like, this time in Haiti. Haiti. Yeah.

Yeah. But we don't Never comes back. No. They talk about it's It's there's just lumps of bad exposition. And it feels like they're just checking boxes.

To try to get away. Well, we need some, you know, we need a black person with some some religion that's not Christianity. Box checked. And now they need to be like this. Okay.

Didn't she she talked a little bit about this about I'm no longer speaking about exorcist believer. I am leaving the podcast. Paul has left the room. Billy Zane is taking place. Welcome, Billy.

If you don't know, Paul worships at the church of Billy Zane. Fucking right I do. BZ, baby. Alright. Moving back to the end zone.

Okay. No. But but We're in chemistry. After this is when we get, like, the self mutilation and the fuck me and the lick me. Lick me.

And that's when Carys and Chris finally meet and and Chris is like, leave me alone when Carys walks up and he's like, hey, I'm actually the dude you wanna talk to. Yeah. Because she's just like, I fucking had it. I don't I don't care about fame. I don't care about being nice.

I don't care about my public image. Yeah. Do you have a cigarette? Is the first thing she asks. That that that desperate that conversation they have there on the bridge is so well done.

I love it. It's well written. It's well performed. We see these two characters finally collide. We see these two story lines Yeah.

Coming together. As they as they've seen each other and she's even asked about him, it's almost as if he's supposed to be there to help her later as they kind of try to do again and believe her, uh-oh, I'm back. I've they pulled me back in. Yeah. I knew it.

They left the imagination. You said you were leaving Yeah. And you're still here. But Reagan Reagan gives, gives old father Carris the soup. And Jason Miller was not expecting to get the soup in the face.

He was expecting it in the chest, and apparently, he was real pissed. Was it a hose situation? What were they doing? Something apparently malfunctioned and got him in the face, and he was really mad. It works really well in the face.

It does. It's a lot better that way. If you notice when Regan's head is turned, you can see, like, this big probing vein Yeah. Going up her neck and then just kinda, like, you can then more faintly, like, along the cheek line. And I just I really loved to notice that.

It's like like tubing in the vomit. It was like but it also it looks like one of those, like, giant The make we have to mention the makeup because the makeup Is so good. Is phenomenal. It holds up so well. The help me on her stomach.

Mhmm. But, also, have you noticed, like, to bring it not I don't wanna bring it back to the believer, but Oh, thank you. If anyone's ever if anyone's ever possessed, they all turn into the same face Yeah. Like, the same face shape. Apparently.

But it's and and you're like, if you saw your daughter looking like that, would you bring her to church? Yeah. Probably not. She doesn't look well, dude. Most likely, it's pretty obvious.

She looks You might wanna just keep her at home. She looks For 1 in 1.5 stars, we we can't stop talking about this. No shit. Well, that doesn't mean it's good. No.

No. It just means we have a lot of processing trauma. Exactly. Yeah. Well, and like when, when Cara starts saying things to support, like, I can't go to the church to exercise this child.

Like, the holy water is not blessed and she's reacting horribly. She's not speaking in tongues. But was she trolling him? Well, and that's the thing that I wonder is, like, was this Pazuzu just, like, buying time? I thought he was just yeah.

I felt like he was just fucking or the demon was just fuzzy. He's playing. He's playing. Playing with his Yeah. Yeah.

It's it's less like I'm gonna put a big fat wiener on your, like, statue at your church and more like I'm gonna fucking murder this cat. I have a question just because I don't know if it's that important to know for this movie, but in general, what's the demon's purpose when it possesses someone? To shake your faith in God, I think, more than anything. To, like, to destroy the to destroy innocence and shake faith in God. That's what I get from this movie.

Yeah. Okay. Because if anything can, like, shake your faith in God, it's the destruction of innocence. Right? And that's why they Especially if knowing if nothing can come to help and and save that, like, what is And that's why they possess children.

That's the thing that ultimately pulls Carys in. Like, my daughter is the one that's possessed. And at the very end of the movie, like, we we call him the fucking closer. Max Monsido shows up. Tubular Bells comes on.

Fucking Max Monsido strolls to the ground. He takes No. Okay. Hold on. Tubular Bells does not come on.

Not in the not in the original. I made a note. Okay. So the iconic music happens when the mother walks on Northwest 36th Street. Oh, she's right.

After after she films a scene, at the for the movie, she's like, I'm gonna walk home. And she's walks around that corner and then we get the music. And the the iconic moment with, with the father outside with, the lamppost, no music. It is silent. Oh, shit.

Awesome. I love that. I made that note. It was like I always remembered there being music there. Jesus.

I know. I know. How how can you read in your serial killer scribbles? But, like, we all agree There's a couple of things that that show up. Would go to the mound for his closing music to Tubular Bells.

Right? Oh, wouldn't you? Mhmm. I kinda feel like I would. I mean, like, I love also that when Maren shows up, Pazuzu knows it's him immediately.

He goes, Maren. But he says the, the demon mentions Maren earlier Right. At a at a I I think with father Karys. But I love that it feels him. I also love that the demon can recreate voices.

Yes. Yeah. Like, the the voice of The mother. Carys' mother. And also, like exorcism.

Like, that's what I'm asking. For an old altar boy? Yeah. Where it's like he's been watching for a while or something. Mhmm.

I mean, just he's he's Why don't you do this to me, Timmy? Timmy. What do you do with Timmy? You mother sucks cocks in hell. Like Fuck me.

Fuck me. In a bubble, no other Exodus movies exist. You're watching this and you're like, what the fuck Yeah. Are they gonna do? To the point where Reagan's like bleeding and cutting and screaming in the holy water and Maren is like they're Maren and Carys are thrown to the ground and she's levitating above her sheets 6 feet above her sheets.

And they've done a what was it that happened to Marin's what was it that happened to Marin's purpose? The restatic. Yeah. He he, like, have he has it next to her and then and then he picks it up. Oh, he uses it to clean up her vomit.

Vomit. Yeah. Yeah. And she she yeah. She does vomit on it and then and then they he goes and and and cleans it off in the sink.

And that's where he kicks Carys out because the demon is, like, getting to him mostly by guilting him through his like, the spirit of his mother or the idea of his mother. However, it's channeling his mother. However, it knows to do this. And, Marin is like, get out. Which for me, completely negates the fucking stupid bullshit line in believer where they're like, why they they wouldn't let me in probably because the patriarchy.

It's like, no. They wouldn't let you in because you are not a religious person. You're not a believer in any of this. Like, you're on the road to this. Even Carys who is like an experienced person could not stay in the the winning.

Yeah. Yeah. We get to the point where, eventually, Chris says to Carys, like, is my is my daughter going to die in the middle of this exorcism? And Carys stands up and his motivation here at this point is my mom's dead. No.

Your kid's not gonna die. Yeah. And goes back upstairs. Yep. And we get Maren is killed.

Oh, yeah. Pazuzu goes We we find him yeah. We find him dead lying on the bed. And also, I thought it was funny because I feel like he was always kind of a white pale dude. Yeah.

And then when he's dead, I'm like, is he paler? Is he opaque? Yeah. What what shade is this now? Larry's not white.

Larry's clear. Oh, space to you. He was very much he he was bringing a lot of, from the movie Powder. Oh, will you stop bringing up that movie on this program? You guys Stop it.

You wanna you want Stop it off. Powder. It's not happening. Well, you know, now that you it's gonna be on my list of things So Carys So And this this is what I think that where this movie succeeds really, really well is that they've, it has to at least once. Right?

Well, it does it so many times. But I feel like in terms of, like, setting up in terms of what it set up. Right? Like, we've we've discovered there is really no way to get this demon out of this girl. Like, it is it is pretty determined regardless what you bring, regardless what religious things you say, and it's not until Carys says, like, take me.

He demands it. He makes Demands it. He makes that he makes that sacrifice. So it's He he offers himself, but it doesn't happen until the pendant falls off from around his neck. Christopher.

And they make it a point in Exorcist 3 that that pendant or that saint or whatever it is has some sort of meaning, some sort of power in this world. And for it to not be really part of the new one at all was, like, what the fuck? I thought that that was gonna be the thing that she had So did I. Yeah. When they were in there.

Mhmm. Like, that she'd have the same kind of pendant, and it was I kept waiting for like, the thing under the rock, I thought that was gonna be I thought If you so did I. And it's, like, set me up for things that and pay them off in ways that can be satisfying or, like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And justified. And then, like, for things that I wanna track, like, the end of a movie or, like, a bad guy's motivation, hit me with something I wouldn't expect because that's more satisfying.

Like, don't just, like, I'm gonna keep you on your toes for shit that don't matter. It's, like, who I don't fucking care. For me, it's just don't don't just do the same old thing. Yes. You know?

Like, don't he doesn't have to box. He, like, he does not have to box. You mean make a film for a purpose other than a money grab? Other than IP money? Other than an AI doing the job that a a fucking Zaslav could do and say, like, yeah, we could probably make money with this Johnny America baseball.

I am normal human. Like, no problem. I'm a human man. I am a human man. You got it.

You credit card. It. You got it. So the movie basic may I may I may I just have to talk about how the moment where I feel like it's such a great moment is when Karras, after the demon is, like, possessing him Yeah. And he looks at the window, which is obviously what he had kind of intended Planned.

Pre planned. When he's when he made the choice. And his choice of being, like, demon I've taken demon this girl. That is the goal, and I am out. And I feel like using using that window that and back to the staircase, and we finally see we finally see the staircase violence.

I just want, that that moment, that particular moment, takes a demon in. He is you you see him. The man is possessed. Edit and But then you see his like, the actor. You see the actor transition back to I am the person thought.

You can see it all even though he still has got, like, you know, the possession, contacts in and everything. You can see that whole process in that. I just I love that moment. And they do it again in 3. They make it a point to do the same What's your ranking on 3?

3. 3 and a half. Okay. Like, fairly solid movies, solid performances. They got Jason Miller back, which I think was like kind of a big coup because he had kind of walked away from acting again to a point that I mean, although having done Rudy fairly recently Yeah.

He was dipping his toe back in. But it's like it's kind of an underrated, like it's a bit of a it's a it's a bit of a gem. It's a bit of a gem. But this movie where he consciously makes the decision to throw himself down the stairs and like you said, it's finally the payoff of the moment of actual violence. You see someone actually die and when he dies, like, it's very sad.

Like, father Dyer is, like, giving him the last rights. You can see him squeezing his hand and he's, like, fading away slowly. And, the movie basically ends with Dyer coming back to Chris and Reagan and Chris and Reagan are leaving. They are shutting up the rent in a home. Mhmm.

And, Chris says she doesn't remember any of it. And Reagan's covered in cuts and bruises. And she looks at Dyer for a moment and then just hugs him so warmly Yeah. And gives him a kiss on the cheek. And then when it's driving away, she gives him the pendant?

Yeah. The, yeah, whichever one it is. Saint Joan. Saint Saint Saint Joan Calametso. Josh from the wine we drink.

Saint Josh. Saint Josh. Body and the blood of The blood of Josh compels Joan Calametso. Joan Calametso. I just remembered something, and I just wanted to bring it up.

The detective, when investigating the bottom of the stairs from the first Oh, yeah. From Burke, he he discovers, I thought when I first watched it, I was like Oh, that same figure. It was I thought I thought it was the rats. I thought it was the demon head, but I think what it is clay figure. It's a clay sculpture from the kid because that's why he picks up the turtle later Right.

In the home. And I was like, but I I I wanted I think we were meant to think it was. Mhmm. I think it was it was Also, whatever it was, it wasn't it it was it just looked like a piece of, like, clay that got squished in someone's hand, and that was were those two objects connected? The object in Northern Iraq and that object, is that how the demon got there?

That's the thing. It's like, I don't know exactly and I don't care. I don't need to know. Yeah. No.

It was just it was interesting. We're just like, what is that? What is that? What is that? And then the the prop I was like, oh, it's probably one of Reagan's, sculptures Yeah.

That you are, like, in process or something. I'm almost scared to end this because, I mean, it is spooky season. Because you don't wanna hear that last But I could we could talk about this movie for days. Days and days and days. When we get to the ending, we're gonna hear the spooky music and that's I do like it.

Kinda scary. But I I I I honestly we should we should sing a quote from this, movie. We should sing? We? Yeah.

The Royal We? The Royal We. What are we singing? What an excellent day for an exorcism. An excellent day for an exorcism.

Would you be mine? Would you be mine? Would you be mine? Oh, won't you be my My Exorcist. Demon.

Possession. I will figure out the ending later. We'll figure it out in post. We are going to have to give a final rating to the Exorcist. Right now.

I'm sticking with my 4a half split pea soups. Okay. Burris, you or I? You go. I'm trying to think of a new item.

I'm gonna give it a 5. Oh. Five Ouija boards, partially because not only was it, like, a foundation for so many of the things that we've mentioned and talked about on this program and how fucking hard it is to make a great movie with minimal music and that has a child actor that has to carry a lot of weight. Sure. The film Yeah.

It shot beautifully. The 4 k transfer is gorgeous. The framing is gorgeous. The innovation in terms of special effects and, makeup effects is incredible. And I when I love horror movies.

Love horror movies. But when you go through my letterbox, it's like, what are Paul's 5 star rated horror movies? It's like The Shining and It Follows. And I think this is every bit as good as either of those as well as so many other things. Shining's a 5 star movie for me too.

Yeah. But this is this belongs, I think, kind of in that similar Yeah. Pantheon. Burris. You know, I think this is a great movie.

I'm trying to debate if I'm gonna stick at 4.5 or go to, like, a 4.75. Oh. Oh, it's taking the liberty. I allowed guests to take this liberty. Like you said, I I mean, the cinematography, the writing, the long pauses that it it and and this the storytelling, it's there's a reason why I watched it twice in 2 days, which is very rare for me to, like, have something have that much of a rewatch ability.

And I think you should come up, Boris. I'm just saying it's like I was trying to say I'm I mean, like, I didn't watch the TV show. You said it was Yeah. But And this is the 6 Exorcist movies now, and this is the only really good 10 fucking Oscars. And Yeah.

Does it did it not deserve any one of those nominations or potentially wins? No. And and for me, like, I I also I'm a I'm a fan of horror. You mentioned some really good ones there. And this movie, while I was watching it, I I mean, I even wrote it down.

Like, I was not still, even on my on my new watching, like, it wasn't I wasn't scared, but there's a shock factor that is still very alive in this film for me. And, you know, and I think also this comes from, like, you know, being an atheist and, like, not, you know, not having that. But I also I I I love accepting the world that we're in and believing and going in and believing whatever what they're telling us. So even though, like, I wasn't scared, but I there's shock, there's it it draws me in, and I'm gonna go with a, like Before you give your final rating, I wanna try one more time to make sure you come up. He's trying a new tactic.

This is something you learn in acting class. Oh, tactics. It's true. Am I the obstacle? I What's the I'm the obstacle.

Ah, yes. Because you're oh, it's good. Ben is waving his arms around because he's in between me and Paul. To others as as as I, cinema in general. I guarantee I know I was able to pinpoint this viewings ago and was not able to articulate it, until this moment on this program.

Who fucking knows? But this movie makes me afraid to be a parent because there is a complete and total lack of control. It's not necessarily a possession. It could be cancer. It could be it could be something awful.

I don't wanna go through a fucking laundry list or something. It could be wrong with a child. We care where you're coming from. But this movie, like, is so fucking effective at the, like, what's wrong? What's wrong?

What's wrong? What's wrong? I'll give anything at the end of everything. Anything. Give anything.

Yeah. And then ultimately, even to the point of, like, I will lean into something I don't believe in. Like, as an agnostic, if I were in her position, I would be like, fine. Fuck it. Yes.

Whatever. Bring bring Catholic pre fine. Just make sure that there's a third party there to watch them at all times. Can I I real quick? Divert stay the same?

Quick divergent. No. No. No. Just to talk about Shane Woodley.

We all watch Last of Us. Right? The series. The the moment where Joel makes his choice, spoilers for Last of Us here. Haven't seen it, where it makes his choice to annihilate a bunch of people.

Right. They I I saw I I saw a podcast with, the creator, blankie on his name at the moment, but he talked about how they show they they they showed that moment in in a in a group of it, like, with audience market. Like a focus group. Yeah. Mhmm.

And they did it with non parents. And non parents then they asked, did you think he was justified? And, like, 4 out of 10 said yes. They showed with parents. 10 out of 10 said yes.

There you go. The shit that you're willing to do I've said this to my wife where I'm like, if someone was gonna kill my cat, I'm gonna fucking kill him. You gotta think. You got a pet. You got a responsibility.

I'm an uncle. I would do any kind of horse. Hours. Yeah. And then call it quits.

You get out there and you find that fucking dog. Yeah. So here we go. What's your final ranking? I'm gonna go to 4.75.

Hell, yeah. 4.75. Not quite a 5, but kind of a 5. Statues with Madonna, cones. Cone bras and just whack and Weird ass.

Cone droopy jeans. Dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with 4.75 at least. Dick. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna go with 4.75 at least.

Tit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with 4.75 of the list. Ben Burris, thank you so much Let's do it live.

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3 days, really, which is the same time that Christ was gone apparently. 3 days. As we learned from Believer, which You know, dude. Mhmm. I am at Paul x badly.

Let's get the fuck out of here. We probably should. I'm about to throw myself down a staircase. I brought a Ouija board. I'm gonna levitate out of here.

Let's do it. Too belies. I'm going to gracefully land on the staircase and risk it. Like a cat. I guess just me and captain Howdy are gonna have fun with this Ouija board.

Is captain Howdy what you play here Oh. Howdy howdy ho. Just tell everybody why don't you. Very quickly, I had a 5. I had a 4.5.

Not a 4.75. Thanks for joining us for spooky season yet again. You will catch us in A week? A dream Mhmm. Or a nightmare.

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