True Romance / Perfect Strangers (Guest: Matt Barrow)

Guest Matt Barrow is back, and he’s putting US in the hot seat, with a movie he hadn’t seen, but we had, in “True Romance.” (1993 d. Tony Scott) Starring: Christian Slater, Patricia Arquette, and Gary Oldman. We have a heart to heart to heart about how badly we truly all want burgers, and where to get them. A sequel pitch made possible with the magical Second Sight of Ai. And the Perfect Stangers we meet at amusement parks, hotels, abandoned nuclear power plants. 

More With Matt Barrow: 

The Big Lebowski / Cast Is Streamin' Dude

Orange County / BEEUUWWEEHHUUEEH!!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Main Artwork - Ben McFadden
'Review Review Intro/Outro' Themes - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching?" & "Whatcha Been Doin'?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root ("Shelf Help" - Paul Root)
Podcast/Program Concept - Paul Root

***This Podcast/Program is for entertainment purposes only. This Podcast/Program includes parody. This Podcast/Program contains peer review, film review, and film/art preservation discussions. 

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Hey everyone. We've had some internet difficulties through this recording, so please forgive some editing hiccups or what have you, or me popping in Paul from The Edit to give you some context. Thanks. Hey everybody, it's Paul. And this is Ben.

You are listening to the review review. What we do here, we take a movie that's 7 years old or older, it's not part of any major franchise normally. We're moving out of spooky season, so it's going to be tougher to get those in. We do have a little list that you can access. It's 2 hours and 22 minutes or less and it's something that the guest can talk about for quite a while and is willing to discuss and re rate.

That's what we do here. I went on a little. I went on and on a little. Yeah. And you know, those are like they're more like guidelines and actual rules because this one this one kind of breaks our rules, but whatever.

You know, our we have a return guest. You may remember him from my birthday episode, The Big Lebowski. He has returned this time IRL. It is mister Matthew Scott Barrow, queue applause. Hello.

Hello. Thanks. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Hello.

Thank you for having me. Oh. To be here. It's good to be back. It's good to have you back.

Here we are. That was on our Big Lebowski episode. That may have been mentioned just now. I'm pretty sure it was. Oh, I just saw Matt's mug.

Oh, yeah. I I mean, I'm, I'm currently enjoying my coffee. As well you should. Lebowski mug Prawn. With water on it.

The way this breaks our rules, Ben and I have seen this movie. Yes. We have. Matt, this was Matt's first experience. This was new to me.

I had not seen this movie. I had always heard about this movie. I knew its sort of, lineage. I knew Quentin Tarantino had written it, and Tony Scott had directed it, but I had never seen it until recently. It's a view review for me, I guess.

And you kind of flipped the script on us where it's like, hey. You kinda knew the history of this thing, and you came in with fresh eyes. We had seen it. So now it's like us kind of having to be like, it it's odd to be in this position, but I like it. It's kind of fun.

It's new, and it's exciting. That's that's why I'm here. Right? That's that's why I came down here. I I flew down to LA just for this.

Which is funny because, last time we were doing this, Paul and I were in person, and you were and now you and I are in person. And Paul's We passed each other on the way. I didn't I didn't know Paul had a Oh, I mean, wherever Paul is currently They're trying to find Paul is in witness protection. He is We call him where we call him. Mister Thompson.

I think he's talking to you. Rupert. He is currently staying at the abandoned nuclear plant in Eastern Washington. And first These are just jokes. Don't I'm a hand look up.

Everything is fried. That's why you have that third that third hand. Is is anyone seen, whichever fucking die hard it is, 4 or 5 where Bruce Willis teams up with Jai Courtney, and they go to Chernobyl and they're like, radiation, no biggie. And I'm just like, I I'm out on this franchise. And That I can't.

That was the Russian one. Right? That was I think so. Yeah. That was the worst one by far.

It was pretty rough. But we shouldn't talk about that movie. Because we all watched True Romance. Which is, like, hyper violent, which you may not expect. It it works.

True Romance. Oh, that sounds nice. Oh, nice romance now. Goodness. Well, I never Uh-oh.

I never I had a lot of moments like that where I was like, woah. Woah. Because I hadn't seen this in a while. Yeah. I have not heard the word fuck 225 times in less than 2 hours since the last time I hung out with Paul.

Good lord. Paul? Yeah? I wanna know what you've been doing. I've gotten back into, like, kinda hard, like, movie collecting.

So I'm hounding for steel books. I'm hounding for Arrow videos and Vinegar Syndromes and Criterion's and Kino Lorbers. I'm dying to get the kindergarten cop Kino Lorber. But I've I just got the Nightmare on Elm Street Steel book. I got the Carlito's Way arrow video.

And I think I'm just into these, like, boutique distributors doing physical media and loving genre weird niche shit that I love, and I wait until it's all 50% off. Yeah. The Criterion, Flat Shale, I think, just started right. When this episode What's going on now? Hits, Criterion, I believe, is still 50% off through Criterion or Barnes and Noble.

Yeah. I think there are few good titles coming out this month as well. So as we're fucking advertising for Criterion. That's what That's why I get that. Too.

Darn advertising. Yeah. Now is the time, movie collectors. Fill in your shelves. They need all out there.

Yeah. The it's They don't have a wildly last couple years. Wildly successful business with a extremely popular YouTube series. Exactly. They have their own streaming service too now.

They do. They do. Because I actually am not a member of yet, but I should sign up. If you are a member during the Flash Sale, you get even more than 50% off. Oh, I didn't know that.

Did you say Fitty? Fitty. Yeah. Fitty is Every time you pronounce that. Yeah.

I gotta stop. Every time I set the cup down, because we have the mic set up in such a way that before I set the cup down You had the Riz. You had it. And then the cup thing happened. Yeah.

That was that was all Matt. That's what he's been doing. I'm sorry. Yeah. What I've been doing is ruining the audio for this podcast.

I made sure I was in person just so I could do that. But I've been I've been, like, record hounding, but for, like, boutique 4 k bougie bullshit. Just online, or do you actually go to place like brick and mortar places looking for some hot finds? They don't have any record stores at Hanford. Oh, yeah.

Oh, they don't? There is nothing here in Hanford. How many matches it was? Oh, no. Start the reactor.

Oh, no. Matt, what's Matt been up to? What I've been up to? Well, like I said, I I came down to Los Angeles, kind of a a yearly, sojourn down here. And we Tradition.

Yeah. A little yearly tradition. Come down to the City of Angels, and, we do, Hollywood, horror nights at Universal. We're catching the very end of it this year. Of course, it's after spooky time.

Mhmm. Not for us. We're living our spooky life into November. Yeah. I try to I try to make, every night Halloween, really.

That's kinda how I live. I like it. You know? Life is a nightmare. Right?

Yeah. That's that's what I've always said since I was a child. But, yeah, I'm down here. It's, it's beautiful. The weather is not too hot.

It's, lovely out. I left all the rain in Washington to come down here. And we had, Bob's Big Boy last night. Yeah. We went to Bob's Big Boy at, like, 10 PM on a Friday, and that place is popping.

It was it was popping off. We had to put our name in. We had to sit and wait. It was, but it was worth it. But I like, you know, I like a good diner.

I think we in watching True Romance, we saw the the thing that inspired me was she said, after a movie, I like to go get a good piece of pie and talk about it. I was like, yeah. I wanna go to a diner. That sounds so good. But then we ended up eating so much that when it came time for pie, we're like, I don't think I can do pie.

Yeah. We were too full. Paul. Question for Matt. Couple questions, I guess.

Statement and a question. House of Pies open it up to questions. House of Pies in Los Feliz. That is the place that I guess Quentin Tarantino would spend a lot of time writing before he had made it. And I don't know if they shot this part of the movie, that part of the movie there.

But How so was this your first Bob's Big Boy experience? It was not. We we tend to go every time I come down here. I had been as a kid, and I just remember the the big the statue out front, the iconic. I think I knew it from Austin Powers for I think that's actually why I went the first time is I came to Los Angeles for the first time in, like, 1998, I wanna say.

I was like, how do you think born yet? Wow. That's right. No. You were you were still a a few years away from still a fetus.

Yeah. Not quite even. You were still a thought in someone's Ball ball screen. Journal. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. No. That's that's the nicer way to put that. But, it it was not my first Bob's big boy, but it it may have been, one of the best. It was, I mean, it's always good.

And we walked in. We I never noticed it before, but they had, as is typical of of this lovely city, they had the glossy, headshots of all the celebrities that had been there, and they had a little section with David Lynch, Kyle MacLachlan, and Laura Dern. Mhmm. That was that was really nice. Blue Blue Velvet.

Yeah. Wait. Apparently, Velvet crosses over with Wild at Heart, crosses over with Twin Peaks. Woah. Yeah.

Isn't that, like, all that synchronistic? Apparently, Lynch goes to that big boy. So it's a new Is that where he got the love of diners that instilled a, you know, a damn fine cup of coffee and a slice of cherry pie. I don't know. Maybe, probably, definitely that is his name.

Did you realize that Bob's Big Boy, we think, made the first Big Mac? Oh, yeah. And we think the great crocs do that. Oh, wouldn't doubt that. Because it's called doubt it.

Their iconic sandwich is called a big boy, and it's a double stacker burger with a with a bun in the middle. Yeah. We saw pizzas. Yeah. And we're like and we're like, is is that a big mac?

And then it was like, you know what? I I bet they actually started it. And then I bet Ray Kroc, thieving Croc. Yeah. Thieving, capitalist that he is probably took it for himself.

Oh my goodness. Listen, get back to us about this. I don't wanna Google this. What you've been up to? I'll be quick.

I mean, the Dodgers won the world series and living in Los Angeles and not being a Dodgers fan is like, You're not swept up in, like, the energy or, like, the vibes. I mean, I'm happy for a lot of my friends who are happy, you know? Like, I'm happy that they're happy. Obviously, I will never be a Dodgers fan because I'm a die hard Mariners fan, which is just lifelong pain. True to the blue, baby.

But hey, true to the blue, baby. Sotto mojo. Sotto mojo. Exactly. The parade was yesterday.

One of the things I said at the beginning of the season, I said it to my Dodgers friends. I said, you guys are gonna win the World Series. And they were like, oh, don't say that. Don't say that. Don't you know, don't say that.

You're gonna jinx it. So I was like I was like, guys, you bought a World Series team. You have Shohei Ohtani. Like, you bought a team. And the Yankees did the same thing.

And I just pray and, you know, I don't I'm guessing that Mariners ownership listens to this podcast. I guess I know Jerry de Poto does. Okay. So I'm just saying, like, look at the 2 teams that made the World Series. Look how much money they invested and maybe, you know, maybe do that.

It's Yankees east and Yankees west to a degree. Like, or Dodgers east and Dodgers west, depending on how you wanna look at these things. But it's it's a spending spree on both sides. Yeah. And it's a sport without a salary cap.

Right. Just just buy a team. It's it seems pretty easy for the Dodgers. So, anyway, go Dodgers, I guess. Whatever.

Moving on. Go Dodgers. It's like it's like even if you own the A's, which is, like, almost reckless or, kind of abandoned ownership, uninvolved ownership, or just like you make money because you own a team, but they stay at the lowest part of the payroll almost every year. And Oh, yeah. As a result, that when was last time the A's were in a world series?

Like, what is this? Are you trying to win or are you just trying to get by because you wanna own a team? I don't know. That's how it feels with the Mariners too. So, you know.

Yeah. I could only imagine being, like, a Chargers fan. That would be not that being a Mariners fan is bliss or anything. I mean, it is. We love you.

We love to we hate to love you and love to hate you. We I'm I'm on a slide. I'm sliding down. So do you know, we should we should move on because I wanna know what are you watching though? I went to a screening.

I'd never seen it in the theater, and definitely not in 35 millimeter either, which was cool at the Hollywood theater of pulp fiction. Oh. I don't think I've seen that in the theater. Wow. I haven't either.

I I had not, and getting to see it on film as well was pretty cool. Some things hit so much harder. It was similar to we have this all in common, the synchronicity here. Ben and I went to Vidiots and saw The Big Lebowski and that theater experience is different. And that's the best way I think I can put it where people can kind of understand.

I assume true romance is kinda similar where it's like, woah. This is I can kinda try to put myself in Ben's shoes having, you know, he and I have seen it before. But I imagine it's similar. But that's that was the thing I just wanted to note where it's just like, man, you kinda understand Quentin Tarantino, whatever you think of him or whatever he's done or whatever he was inspired by or whatever it might be, his style and approach, like, changed movies forever. Oh, yeah.

Mhmm. And that movie is just, woah. Holy shit. This is this is, like, the kind of road that we're gonna be going on to whatever degree. And, boy, did it really spread through cinema and that pre is indomitable.

It it's still around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was a hotshot of style into the just the the history of film, I would say. Well, so we'll just call it that, a hotshot of style.

Matt That's what it says on the poster. Right? To a decision. Probably. Matt, what have you been watching?

What have I been watching? Well, we just got out of a spooky month, you know Sure. A few weeks ago or whenever this air. It's still soup season. It's still soup season.

That's what's important. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, that's that's mode. The soup mode. We've autumn is broken up.

You know, there's pumpkin spice, there's spooky, and then there's soup. And then it's Christmas time. But so we just yeah. We just got out of spooky season, so I I tried it all October long. I watch, I watch the spooky films, the scary films.

Yeah. And I just kinda went on a run at Slashers there. And, the most recent one I watched was actually the, public domain, thing with Winnie the Pooh. It was Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey. I only watched the sequel because I heard the first one worth watching.

Yeah. Go on. The the sequel, you know, I'm gonna say not bad at all. I was very surprised because I I think everyone knows the story. Basically, the copyright was up for a lot of these characters, in this case, Winnie the the Pooh and all those assorted characters.

So these people jumped on it to make a, you know, a horror movie, just kind of a a cash in a bit, and it got, like, a 4% of Rotten Tomatoes as you'd expect. Very low budget. Mhmm. But it got enough attention that I think they're like, oh, okay. Well, let's try with this next one.

And they cooked. It, the the costumes were good. Practical effects were good. It was a pretty solid slasher. Yeah.

Winnie the Winnie the Pooh, I think it was called Blood and Honey 2. Not bad. I mean, it wasn't great, but it was it was pretty good. And I was I was thoroughly enthused. Has anyone seen any of the Terrifier movies?

Yes. Well, that was that was what I watched before I I did this one. Okay. I haven't seen any of these, but apparently the these types of movies are Terrifier and Winnie the Pooh bled in Honey and stuff like that. This, I don't know, certain subgenres of horror right now are just really popping and I'm just I'm in the dark about it.

I haven't Yeah. Terrifier 3. Terrifier 3 is the biggest it's like the number 1 in the box office, which is crazy to me. I because this is a violent movie. I hear it's really something.

It's a hard r. There's a big notice outside of the theater saying this is more violent than you might be used to. If you feel unwell, please seek out one of the employees for assistance. What, like, fucking Oscar Mayer wieners we are for the guests being like, this movie is intense. You'll be watch out now.

Like, people are like, Terrifier 3. Take my money. Oh, you gotta see it, man. You gotta see it. Yeah.

Yeah. I, Ben pointed out. We went to, videos yesterday, and they have, you know, the movie rental place, and he pointed it out. I should Yeah. I should definitely watch it.

They love it over there. I got to see it at the theater there. It was great. Wait. Weren't we gonna see it one time?

But they canceled it. Yes. Probably last year. Yeah. Was that the one we were gonna see?

We were gonna see it there. I think you're right. Yeah. They had canceled it because there was some real world event that was, you know, it was a bit A shooting? Correct.

That's Correct. And it was some America thing. Canceled it. So Some real America. Some, you know, all American event happened.

It was either the 4th July or a shooting. Yeah. 1 of the 2. Ben. You basically live in the purge.

Oh my good god. Ben. Yes? What you been watching? I've been watching for the first time Detroiters.

Yeah, buddy. I'm absolutely, as a Tim Robinson fan, we've talked and referenced, I think you should leave a lot on this show. A lot. Dude, I've I've pressed you to watch this. I've talked to him before I watch this.

But it's so now it's fine it's finally on Netflix. And Yeah. So, I'm just having the best time ever watching it. What's your favorite episode so far? How far are you?

I just finished season 1. Okay. So I have season 2 to go. I think my favorite episode is either I really liked happy birthday, mister Dube. Yeah.

That's my favorite episode, 100% of the show. But the Of the whole show? Yes. The the, the thing that made me laugh the hardest was actually in, Sam is a prostitute Oh, okay. Episode.

And I couldn't stop laughing. And Jess was just looking at me like, what's wrong with you? And I'm, like, crying. I'm like, I don't know. It's such a great show.

I love the opening. It's so compact. The scenes and the jokes and the cuts are so compact. It moves so nicely. We have a similar favorite episode where just out of nowhere, it's like, let's hustle, like, so many times.

It's fucking great. Let's do it, like, 5 times. It's a wonderful episode. You should put eyes on your nipples and a mouth on your belly button and a big old top hat. Dance around.

You think that's funny. Show you the thing and it's great. Yes. It's because I took a big old poop. I pooped.

But my my favorite thing that makes me laugh harder than anything is the fucking Devereaux wigs commercial. Oh, yeah. Devereaux. It's so good. All of the commercials are funny.

Oh, it's so great. Wow. We have I like the We have some Devereaux Wigs commercial. Oh, it's great. Oh, yeah.

It's a great show. Yeah. Go watch it, people. Watch Detroiters. And it's Now on Netflix.

Like, it's 2 seasons. Like, Ben, you watched the whole season. I assume it was easy for you to do in a couple few days if you wanted to. Yeah. And, like, you can finish it in a couple weeks, usually comfortably in your own time if you have clumps of an hour or so.

Easily, you'll burn some. Bring it back, Netflix. Bring it back. Oh, boy. That would be cool if if those 2 dudes wanna do it still.

I feel like they're both moved on to bigger things, but maybe. I have a theory. That Totino's money now. Crandlin and Duvet are making ads and real money. I have a theory about this.

The Hold on. They will release a movie either to Paramount plus or to the theater hopefully. Because in one of the seasons, they express something happening in a decade from now. And I would love to see the movie of that coming to fruition and whatever the story is about that. That would be cool.

I have to speak vaguely. I have to speak vaguely. Well, sure. I mean, you don't wanna leak anything. No.

Of course not. Not everyone's seen it. I don't Ben hasn't finished it. No. I haven't.

Oh, right. But we should move on to I'm ready. The movie we all watch. Oh, right. And Keep watching movie.

About some facts. Archaeology is the search for facts. So go back to the club. Okay. We watched True Romance.

It is a Morgan Creek August Entertainment Davis films. The Morgan Creek made me feel very nostalgic when it came up. Me too. It does me too. Warner Brothers, I'm guessing, was the distributor.

It's the r 19 night hard r. Hard r. Hard r. Hard. Yeah.

Yes. Hard. Everybody's no. It is 1993. It is an hour 59 minutes unless you watch the director's cut like we did.

Oh, it's a week. 2 hours and 1 or 2 hours and 2? Yeah. Something like that. It was a couple seconds.

Budget was only 13,000,000. Man. 28,300,000 adjusted. That goes a long way. Tony Scott does a lot with that.

Opening weekend, September 10th 1993. Oh, good weekend that was. Never remember. 402 born. So got it.

4,020,000 in the US. That is 8,770,000 adjusted. Final gross to North America, 12,200,000 adjusted 26.6. Final gross worldwide, 1308,000,000 adjusted 28.45. The releases this date, Undercover Blues, The Real McCoy.

We can top 5. The Fugitive, Undercover Blues. This movie, The Man Without A Face, The Real McCoy. Jurassic Park was number 6 this week in its 14th week of release. That's fucking nuts.

I'm talking along. That is Do you has anyone seen Undercover Blues? I can't I don't think I have. Remember. Oh, I think that stars Who is that?

I'm pretty sure that stars Dennis Quaid. And this is me on the screen here right now. Quaid, start the reactor. Well, have you guys seen frequency? Whoopsie.

Do you guys wanna talk do you wanna talk about frequency real quick? That's what I'm trying to do, but now I can't because I'm distracted. Is that live? This is live. Showing Paul live footage.

Of the root dude in the suit. Yeah. We got a a night vision cam webcam of Rudy here. Yeah. There's a little kind of, like, low budget porn vibe to it that I did.

That's what he's going for. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Other films from 1993, Boxing Helena, El Mariachi Oh.

Famous Robert Rodriguez Another big indie film. California with a k, My Brief Friend's Back, This Boy's Life, Howards End, and Surf Ninjas. I'm just putting it out there for other indie movies. And Mhmm. Boxing Helena, by the way, I believe was directed by, Jessica Lynch.

Is her name Jessica Lynch? I think. I know it stars Sheryl Lynn Finn in Julian Sands. Oh. But it's David Lynch's daughter?

David Lynch's daughter directed it. Oh. Oh. Yeah. So just getting it out there for the indies.

Yeah. Yeah. Give it up for the indies. The Letterboxd average of this movie is 3.9. Follow me on Letterboxd atrunbmc.

Atpaulaxbadly. I believe I'm HTML5beagle. I think we figured this out. Well, I've already forgotten. Yeah.

Yeah. That's correct. Yeah. Follow me at HTML 5 Beagle. Sure.

Or whoever that is. On Letterboxd. Whoever yeah. That's somebody has that title. I'm sure.

Sysco and Ebert are split. Ebert was up, and Rotten Tomatoes, 93%. Wow. Metacritic, only 59. Big split.

Yeah. Major award wins and noms, that would be 3 Saturn Awards for actor, actress, and screenplay. Yep. 1. And before Noah's nominated but I wanna say before I move on, Saturn Awards for genre films, films like this, it's kind of a big deal.

You wanna talk about that kind of stuff. The director of this film is the late Tony Scott, r I p, Top Gun and The Last Boy Scout. Writers Roger Avery, who was uncredited originally, wrote The Silent Hill from 06, and Quentin Tarantino, who did the story for Natural Born Killers. Director of photography is Jeffrey L Kimball, Star Trek Nemesis, and Paycheck starring Ben Affleck. Music Ben Affleck.

Hans Zimmer, Dunkirk, and White Fang producers. Everyone. There's so many fucking producers on this movie. Look it up. For sure.

Look it up. Starring Christian Slater as JD Clarence. Great. Can you say it can you say it again, but as as Jack Nicholson? Starring JD.

Christian Slater. Christian Slater. You're, like, good times and noodle salad. Robin Hood Prince of Thieves and Heathers. Please listen to our Heathers episode.

It's a fun episode. Yeah. Fun movie. Happy late birthday to the great Winona Ryder, by the way. Patricia Arquette plays Alabama, Nightmare on Elm Street 3, The Dream Warriors, and Stigmata.

We just came out of spooky season. Dennis Hopper, may he rest in peace, played Clifford. Speed. Great acting performance and Speed. I don't think anyone's gonna argue that.

No. I mean He's a great villain in that movie. Yeah. He's a great version of Hans Gruber. Yeah.

Sure. I agree with that. I love that he's he's like a lone wolf, which is kinda cool. Yeah. Totally.

And he's also in the Super Mario Bros. Mario Mario? Louie, you got a problem with that? That's right. Of course.

That's that's where I know. That's where you go to the top of the list. Yeah. And Bowser from Super Mario Brothers. Listen to our Super Mario Brothers episode like Matt did, everybody.

Val Kilmer plays Mentor, the Saint from 1996, and the Ghost in the darkness, Gary Old man. Arguably, somewhere in the top 5 of this generation's greatest actors. People that have been active from the eighties to now in film at least. Yeah. I think that's true.

He's like. Okay. Good. I'm glad we all agree. He plays Drexel.

He was also in Lyon, The Professional and Bram Stoker's Dracula. I'm waiting for my steel book as we speak. Oh, nice. Dracula? Yes.

Oh, that'd be a good one. Yeah. It's so pretty. And I just And camera effects. Exactly.

And it's got a bunch of great features on it. Brad Pitt plays Floyd, Ocean's 11 and World War Z. Christopher Walken dad, don't. No, dad. Take me, dad.

Vincenzo, the deer hunter and Batman returns. Listen to our episode. Samuel l Jackson plays Big Don for 7 seconds of the movie. Is it What a 7 seconds. Appears true.

True. Good point. Is it I also just walked away from Pulp Fiction, so I'm like, why just it's like I I forget how quickly he dies in this movie and I just wanted so much more. Yeah. He's also in Patriot Games and the great, the superior die hard with a vengeance.

Ben just shaking. This is why I need video. Ben just shaking his fucking head. Yeah. We can't see Paul now, by the way.

So No. But he can see us. Is there a reaction with, like, a flipping the bird? Or oh, I can send any reaction I want. That's great.

I didn't know that. We're gonna be Any emoji? Oh. Yeah. I can.

Boom. Little fist. Yeah. I'm I'm punching at you guys. Yeah.

Got him. Okay. Alright. Matt, you have fun some fun facts for us. I do.

The romance is true. The facts are fun. Starting Fun facts. Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time.

In a, 2011 interview with the AFI, Gary Old man was asked to name his favorite role. He chose 2, Lee Harvey Oswald in JFK 1991, Oliver Stone, and Drexel Spivy in this movie. Before taking the role or before reading the script, Gary Old man met with director Tony Scott who said, you're playing a white guy who thinks he's black, and you're a killer pimp. Old man laughed and immediately accepted. So so great.

On ball. I'm in. Yeah. And, boy, did he do it. The scene in which, Nikki, Chris Penn's character, Cody, played by Tom Sizemore, interrogate Elliot Bronson Pinshaw?

Pinshaw? Pinshaw? Pin Pinshaw. Pinshaw. Bronson Pinshaw.

Oh, yeah. He wasn't listed in our, in our actors, but he's from Beverly Hills. Condensed. I condensed. Yeah.

But he was good. But the scene in which, they interrogate him, that was all improvised by the 3 actors. It's great. That was that was a good scene. It is.

And then, Outshined by Soundgarden used great effect in the scene where, Brad Pitt's stoner character gives, directions to the henchmen. It's so funny. Such a hilarious scene. That was, yeah, that was originally used as temp music in that scene, but it was such a hit at test screenings that good portion of the music budget went just for obtaining the rights to use that hit song in the film. Does anyone know something crazy?

Just considering the music in the movie, like, you'd assume they paid a lot for music in general across the board. Yeah. We talked, though, about with Stimson about how expensive music is in Mhmm. To to get the rights to it for your film. So I'm not surprised.

Yeah. The record company is the only masters. It's big business. Okay, Matt. You're up to bat.

The bases are loaded. It's the bottom of 9th. We need you to give us a log line for the movie True Romance. Oh oh, boy. Okay.

I'm gonna say comic book nerd meets and falls in love with Call Girl in, and, well, I guess I could just say Quentin Tarantino meets and fall or meets and falls in love with, Call Girl. According to him. Kills her violent pimp, and and they, they take off or with accidentally take a lot of drugs or they don't take drugs. They steal a really good lot. A lot of drugs.

Yeah. No. This is all you need. Can you can you sell the movie up in 3 seconds? Time to be.

Okay. Okay. Wow. Comic book nerd We're starting over. Meets a I'm starting over.

Book nerd meets and falls in love with call girl, kills her violent pimp with stolen drugs in tow. They take off across the country pursued by the mob to sunny Los Angeles. Something like that. Okay. Okay.

Let's say that's that's that's my submission for the log line for true romance. Okay. How close will I? I am gonna be honest with you. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm gonna look it up as we speak.

This is where I was not prepared. Probably nailed it. That was probably Verma. Gonna be like, Matt, you were just reading that off of something because that was exactly it. Yeah.

Did you have a teleprompter? I yeah. I mean. It was so damn close. In Detroit, a pop culture nerd steals cocaine from his new wife's pimp and tries to sell it in Hollywood, prompting the mobsters who own the drugs to pursue the couple.

That's it? I I think I hit all the beats. I think I think so. I think you hit all of them and you gave myself a b. 1 or 2.

Okay. I'd say a b's probably. Oh, not bad. Not bad. I agree.

Maybe a b plus. Not one to boast, but I'm pretty proud of myself. No. Maybe a b plus. Oh, well.

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We're gonna do a check-in for those frequency? Oh, cinephile. For those folks who are unfamiliar with cinephile, it is a card game that has an actor on it. That actor will come, with a movie on hold on. Let me say that again.

Again. Yeah. Who's got the fart chair? Matt Matt Sorry. That was I'm sitting in a dining room chair.

That Oh, no. We know. It's Paul's Blart's usually on that fart chair. Oh, I I habitually rock back and forth. We call it Paul's Blart chair because he blarts.

I don't Paul Blart podcast. Anyway, the cinephile, this has a actor on it. And then, Matt, you will pull a card. You will say the actor's name, and you will say the freebie movie on this card. We'll go round robin.

We'll go meet Paul back to Matt. I Happy to name a movie that that actor's in. 1st first person to fail gets to talk about their first time watching the movie, True Romance. Any questions? Okay.

Who's this Guato guy? Take a card. Pick your fate. I am drawing a card. Let's see who we got.

Let's see who the hands of fate will cast us. And you gotta go fast. Don't do a Burris and try to stock up. Yeah. People do that.

People do that a lot. That's cheating. You gotta write off the dome. Alright. Going.

Meryl Streep. Woah. Starting with Sophie's Choice. Shit. Okay.

Adaptation. The Devil Wears Prada. Was she in oh, I just said that. I think I think you might be first. But yours is the most interesting.

Okay. Do you know how often we freeze? Don't worry about it. Matt's sitting there stunned. It's it's amazing.

I literally did another Meryl Streep. It's Meryl Streep. Yeah. I guarantee I'll think, like, 30 after this. Yeah.

I froze. It happens it hap Ricky in the flesh. It happens to the best of us. Yeah. It happens to Ben.

Everybody freeze. It's it's like I can't access that part of the back brain. No. Or the Meryl Streep is You're gonna kill the dinosaurs. The ice age.

The ice age. Well, if I can remember that far back, my first time seeing true romance was about 16 hours ago. Mhmm. Woah. I guess I could say Paul was just a a little infant.

Yeah. Paul was born then, but he was still pretty young, actually. Not true. I was I think I was I mean, I I guess I can say, like I said Oh, okay. Oh, by 16 hours ago?

Yeah. Happy birthday. Oh, oh, yeah. 65? Yeah.

Thank you. You are on the Hanford site. That's Hanford site is kinda like your origin story. That accelerates no time. Yeah.

The reputation kinda preceded it. I I knew of this movie and that it was something that Quentin Tarantino had written, but Tony that he did not direct himself, that Tony Scott did. So I kinda had the expectations going into it. And, yeah, yesterday was my first time seeing it. And we saw it at Vidiots, which, as we're saying, is a very interesting theater kinda community experience.

There was a lot of you know, as the credits flashed up at the beginning, there was a lot of clapping for the people you can still clap for and then cheering for the people that you should not clap for anymore. It was pretty funny. Yeah. That was that was a good moment. But, can you say who specifically was jeered?

Are you willing to say? You could probably surmise. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Some of the producers.

There's a big producer. There's at least one producer in particular who, is probably worthy of jeers. I think that's enough information. I would maybe have participated, but yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No. It was it was like a Rocky Horror Picture Show, but with, you know, booing at, at the end of the day. Thing. If we don't talk about it, if it goes away.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't say his name 3 times plus Beetlejuice. Scandy, man. That's crazy.

That's 5 times. Alright. Gosh. Guys. Uh-oh.

I don't know. It just fell. But, Matt, I have I have a question before we It's my bad. Rudy Cam. Okay.

And I don't know if you were done, Matt, anyway, but I have a I don't wanna forget. Were you aware of the Yeah. Depending on whom you speak to, famous or infamous scene with Walken and Hopper, were did you know of that at all? I did not. The one, like, the one thing I knew going into this movie was Gary Old man's character just because there's so many memes and stuff with that Yeah.

Wacky character. I had no idea Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper had that someone said this movie was watching them kinda spar. Great scene. Gotcha. Alright, Matt.

You just watched this movie. What is your ranking out of 5? I would say, well, there were some great performances, some real heavyweights in there. The writing, Tarantino, and I think all his kind of hallmarks were there, which can be a good or a bad thing. I would say I give this movie 4 purple Cadillacs out of 5.

Okay. Which apparently Patricia Arquette got to keep that car Really? Through the production. Probably worth more than whatever she was paid considering the budget. Yeah.

Most budget has to have gone to that car. Yeah. One assumes anyway. It is a classic. Ben.

Also, how would that character have that car? I would love to. I would like to know that story. I would like to know that. Yeah.

I first watched this movie in college, at my friend James's house, and I remember being floored that I hadn't seen it before. Remember it at that time, like, really, really, really speaking to me because I was also heavily into comics. College is when I got really into reading and collecting comics. And so there was, like, you know, the avatar of Christian Slater really spoke to the the nerdy white dudes of the nineties and early 2000. Actually, it was a Spider Man number 1.

No. But, like, it's supposed to be, and he's just holding it back. Yeah. I think they jumped around. Ben, I have a question for you.

So is this, like, kind of a a slightly more sociopath. I think this guy you don't think this guy is necessarily? I have a lot of questions, I guess, about this guy's motivations eventually. But Sure. They're they seem pure.

Yeah. I guess. But, yeah, I remember at that point really floored by it, and I would have probably given it 4a half. And I haven't I haven't actually seen it since then. Oh, wow.

I don't own this movie. So I've always heralded this movie. The things that I remember that stood out in my mind in the last, over a decade since I have seen it are, Gary Old man's performance, Brad Pitt's performance Mhmm. Sort of some of the individual scene work. The scene work in this movie is incredible.

Gandolfini or I You know, like, I'm sure these maybe not anymore, but I'm sure, like, in acting classes in LA, the scenes in this play in this movie are probably, like, heavily used because the scene work, the individual, like, the dialogue work within the scenes is is in is so it it's a In watching it now, like, it's interesting because myself included, there's sort of been, like, this this reexamination of Tarantino's writing in a way that it's like we've evolved a little bit, and we're not sure if he has in a in a weird way. Mhmm. And I feel like sometimes this because this is his first, like, writing venture, as far as I know, the, is this before Natural Born Killers? I don't remember. I don't remember the chronology.

Anyway, it feels like because we now know who Tarantino is as a writer and a filmmaker, there are parts of this that were that were, like, are some of his worst qualities. But that that's not necessarily reflective on the movie itself because the movie Right. Came out way before that. It's just like, I get it, man. You love you used me and Lord.

You know, like, shit like that where I'm like Right. And and that's something that we sort of, like, started to, like, acquire over every movie where we're just like, oh, oh, that wasn't just that. Okay. We're still gonna oh. We're still doing it.

We're still doing that. Alright. And he's sort of, like, gotten out of that with his early his more recent work. But, anyway, I'd say so back then, 4a half, I now currently am sitting at, 4, Honey Bear Bongs. Oh, good rating system.

Thank you. Okay. I honestly don't remember the first time I saw this movie. And I'm almost sure it was at some point in my life where I saw Brad Pitt in this movie, and I was like, holy shit. This is a represent like a very handsome representation of me.

This is so cool, which was great. But I was swept up in it. I think that this is probably Tarantino's best writing. It doesn't hurt that it looks like Roger Avery ended up getting some credit on it as well. I also love Jackie Brown.

I think Jackie Brown is something super Is that your favorite Tarantino? Probably. It's that her Inglorious Basterds. I like I like the revisionist history thing about it, but then it doesn't work for me as much in Once Upon A Time in Hollywood. And it's like this movie doesn't necessarily is there foot stuff in this movie?

I don't remember foot stuff. No. Because he didn't direct it. Right. It was Tony Scott.

Would have been. The great the great Tony Scott is this people's favorite Tony Scott. The foot, I'd say it's probably my favorite Tony Scott just because what? Top Gun, Man on Fire. Like, I don't know what else I would put above it.

I love Crimson Tide. I think Crimson Tide is a pretty great movie. That's that's it. I think tension. That's a harder I'm curious, though, Matt, your favorite Tarantino.

I guess I'd probably have to say Pulp Fiction just because Yeah. That was I kind of early nineties indie sort of renaissance period. And just like the way dialogue worked in all those films, but, you know, Kevin Smith, Richard, Richard Linklater, things like that. That's kind of like my sweet spot. Yeah.

I think Pulp Fiction was definitely kinda one of the forerunners in that. I'd say it hits on the things I like best about Tarantino the most. So sorry to interrupt, Paul. So you're you're ranking back when you don't remember watching it? Yeah.

Because of all the honey bear bunks. And I've definitely I've done, you know, kinda like a I'm gonna watch a bunch of Tony Scotts because I think he, like, some other tour directors, did a lot of different genres similar to, that's not important. So, yeah, I this is really high on the list of Tony Scotts for me. Then, now, whatever. It was a 4.5.

Post murder cheeseburgers because after a murder, good lord, you are hungry, you're starving, you need a big Kahuna burger, whatever it might be. And I rewatched this You have a cheeseburger? Yep. Yesterday. I do own this movie, An Arrow video 4 k of this movie.

I 1 versatile area. To rewatch it at some point again with, like, commentary on I did not watch the director's cut because I wasn't sure what you guys were watching. And I was, like, that's, like, 2 minutes, so it doesn't really matter. Which you'd assume I'd watch the director's cut. But it's like, oh, maybe I'll watch it again.

I assume it's more violent. I assume the Patricia Arquette, James Gandolfini. Rating or something would be my guess. Yeah. I assume the Patricia Arquette, James Gandolfini thing is even more intense.

Watched the Arrow video 4 k. It's beautiful. The Arrow always does a great job as a lot of these boutiques do with this kind of stuff. Coming into this with, like, a, you know, the armchair quarterback as we like to say here, kind of attitude and position. The movie, I think Tony Scott does a really good job as I think a lot of people have said can really make Tarantino's writing sing.

And it's little things that happen through the movie. Very subtle things depending on whom you're watching and what they're doing and what the approach is. I think the approach in Tony Scott's directing with Tarantino's writing, there's a little bit more that you can interpret from it, or that I can interpret from it as somebody who digs deep on these things and feel like I can have a conversation with y'all or anybody and somebody would go, oh, oh, okay. Like, it's a really fucking well directed movie. I am on a a shaky 4 and a half post murder burgers.

I don't think there are things that age super poorly about this movie, But I'm interested to hear if my theory is correct about some of the differences in the movie in my head and what you guys saw where where we potentially go, wait, what happened? Because I've never seen a director's cut before. So I'm interested to see where we go. So I'm on a shake I'm on a shake shake, rattle, and rolly. We could be in the Heartbreak Hotel here, but It's white.

Right now It's white. I'm at a 4a half. That was well It's well scored. It's well edited. It's well written.

It's very well directed. It's really well acted. The art direction is beautiful. It's beautiful to look at. It's a really good movie and it's super confident.

It's it's a charismatic look at me kinda thing that doesn't overdo it somehow. That's the really crazy thing. Somehow, it does not feel overdone. Alright. Well, I think we should Gotham movie.

Psycho Ruby. And now our feature presentation. Hey, Paul. Don't get mentally erect. It's a free country.

Just don't get a regular. Alright? Yeah. So I said earlier, the Morgan Creek opening, I don't know why that just, like, got me jazzed. That was yeah.

That just hearkens back to somebody putting on the VHS, adjusting the tracking, and then that comes up. I no offense to True Romance or any of the great Morgan Creek releases. I always get hyped because I think Major League is about to start, and then it's another Major League. And then immediately, you're at a disadvantage. Sorry, movie.

Pulling out your ass, lard mouth. Nothing can live up. But, yeah, the opening of the little, like, monologue is probably I I think Matt touched on this. I think this is the most, like, actually like Tarantino of any of his protagonists. It's just a stand in.

Like, it's a self insert. Like, within 30 seconds of the movie starting after Patricia Arquette's opening monologue Right. The dialogue is Elvis, kung fu. That's Tarantino's favorite things. You could almost I can almost see him writing this at the video store.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Funny. Probably did. We do get her, Alabama's opening monologue, and I just think she's great.

I think her performance is great. I think her dialect is great. We see we jump right into Slater in the bar, and he's trying to pick up a girl and take her to 3 kung fu movies. 3 kung fu movies. Oh, on the mention of 3.

No. Which I like that. I know this isn't everybody's cup of tea, but this is part of what's, I think, a lot of people say, my favorite nightmare is nightmare 3. Because there's something about Patricia Arquette that so likable and charming and honest and magnetic, and that comes through so strong in this movie as well. I think that, Ben, I I agree with you.

She's such a strong backbone. And do you guys agree that the book ends of having voice over, beginning, end, that's all the voice over? It works for me. Yeah. Yeah.

No. It works for me too. Yeah. I think if you're gonna do voice over in a movie, I think that's the perfect way to do it. Opening and closing.

So we were talking about how Christian Slater would fuck Elvis. Sorry. Sorry, Ben. Yeah. Which what we were talking about.

You know, and I think, again, like, this movie was made in 1993. There are things, like, when I watched this movie last, it was 2003 or, just some of the language, like and watching it watching it in a theater with so many people who were, you know, there to see the movie, but also there was, like, a big birthday party going on. And you could tell, like, the Vidiots community is, like, a pretty progressive bunch. And it was interesting how, like, the one of the first words we get is the f word, and it was just, like, it hit me. I was like, oh, the f slur.

Yeah. And it just, like, hit me, like, and I, like, looked at Matt because I just didn't remember that. I think a lot of the audience was realizing in real time as well that, oh, because you you kinda heard not really a gasp, but a sharp inhalation. Yeah. You know?

That collective, like, oh. Yeah. Is 50% of this movie either a swear word or some sort of a racial slur in terms of the dialogue? Somewhere in the neighborhood 50%, give or take. It's it's gotta it's gotta be in the double digits for sure.

And I guess I word count. And I guess that's like it's hard to knock the movie for that because it's it's like, again, it was 1993, and it's also not you know, we say the language of the characters isn't endorsed by the storyteller. Like, that's not that's it's just, like, representational of the character. Sure. But in this case, now that we know who Tarantino is Exactly.

We know he kind of endorses this language. So it's kinda like I I Well, and there's there's a weird, you know, having spent some time in recently, it's been odd when I interact with people in public or people I've known. And especially with people I've known where I'm like, hey, man. You talk how you talk or whatever, but, like, I don't wanna hear that. And it's just crazy how realistic to a degree the reminder of, like, this is how some people speak.

And that's where the thing, it's like the movie feels a little salacious and a little, like, holy shit, but so does real life sometimes. So it's, like, hard for me to hold it against the movie. But I think, again, what I'm saying is, like, it's not I'm not holding against the movie. I'm holding against the filmmaker. Oh, got it.

Okay. Against the writers specifically. Got it. Yeah. I guess that's the thing is, like, in this movie, it's just so much more palatable.

I guess maybe that's the point you're making also is, like, to the the direction makes it more palatable. It feels more like the way it's used in real life. I think maybe I'm just really fully understanding what you're saying. Yeah. That's pretty much it.

I just think the more that we know is of Tarantino is just kinda like that. Again, like, if I I when I saw this movie and, like, we I don't know. Anyway, we can move on from this side. Apparently, he doesn't wanna see Dune to me, which is, like I heard that. Why why I saw that quote.

Why on that hill, the Villeneuve Dune? It's like, dude, why on that hill? Quote? He's like, I've seen the guy that's like, I'm not gonna evolve or or, like, absorb things and challenge myself over that. Like, over that?

I think what he what he specifically said, he's like, I've seen the David Lynch one a bunch. I don't need to hear someone saying spice with emphasis. Yeah. He's a weird dude. What does that mean, man?

It's a it's a whole different Yeah. Yeah. There's a thousand ways to tell that story. Speak of David Lynch, did anyone else think this movie was exactly like Wild at Heart by David Lynch? Very similar.

Me? It's similar. But The Elvis obsessed guy falls for the, like, blonde dream girl, kills somebody, and then goes off across the country in, like, moments of hyperviolence. I just it's funny because I had always, in my head, just what little I knew about this movie, gotten it confused with that movie. And now that I've seen it, I was right to do so, I think.

Very similar movies. I don't disagree with you. Anyway Yeah. Wild at Heart's just way more unhinged, I think, personally. And that's not a bad thing.

Well Like, I not at all, but it's just unhinged. I think there's definitely similarities. Absolutely. You know, I think this is definitely more of a Tony Scott and clearly Tarantino dialogue. Mhmm.

Plot wise, they're similar. Yeah. We get Slater, Clarence. He's he's, he's going to the movies for his birthday. He's got his feet up.

By himself. Just having a grand old time. Eating his popcorn and in walks as babe. Yeah. Patricia Arquette, we don't know her motivations.

We just know, like, he wants to go to the movies on his birthday because he always does that and he does his thing. And when she spills her popcorn on him, it I like that we find things as he finds them about her. Yeah. And you can I mean, we're already sort of we know, like I mean, he's probably, like, he's more, like, enthralled and, like, like, surprised and, like, so happy this beautiful woman is wanting to be around him? But we're clear from from the beginning, we're clearly, like, oh, there's something else going there's, like, there's some sort of other motivation here.

But what is it? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. Yeah.

Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. Dude, you said twice, like, 2 different actors. Yeah. We we, Ben and I kinda collectively sometimes do, like, a side glance telepathic thing when we both notice something. We both kinda shot each other a glance when we heard a second character say.

Is it then we it it was It's it's kind of an odd phrase to use twice. Oh, yeah. Like Absolutely. If you use it 3 times, it's like, oh, that's like a recurring thing. If you use it once, like, okay.

Unless it's the same character using it twice, then you're like, oh, that's like their phrase. 2 completely different phrases, which may have been might have been trying to show, like, a parallel, but, yeah, it was it was interesting. Like, that felt I agree. It was noticeable. Like, I that might be an error on Tarantino's part.

Yeah. Or it's purposeful for some reason, and I can't figure out why. I would assume it was purposeful by somebody either in rewrites, you know, or revisions or choices by Tony Scott or in the stuff from the writers like that. You don't, as you guys said, you don't use that specific reference twice without it meaning something. And that was the the Rubik's cube of this movie for me still was like, what the fuck?

What's that exact thing? I I do like this movie is like, as Ben was kind of saying, like this type of guy's like dream. If you're Christian Slater, this beautiful woman, kung fu movies, spills popcorn on you and then is like, sure. I'd love to get pie and go to your comic store and like just hear all about your nerdy interest and be enthralled. And it's great the moment she falls in love with him is being enthralled with his nerdy interest, and that's when it becomes the, like What's it?

Yeah. It's, like, ultimate fantasy movie. Yeah. If you wanna talk, like, self insert Quentin Tarantino, like, the moment the beautiful woman falls in love with him is when he's just talking her ear off about comic books. Sure.

Like Sure. And she she just you could see in her eyes, she just she's looking the way he turns those pages, those full color pages, and she falls in love. That's Spider Man number 1. Spider Man. Doesn't it look great?

Oils on his fingers? Oh, it's Right. It does look great. Mint condition. Yeah.

It's, like, popping. It looks so great. I will say, though, like, as we, you know, we go to the comic store and they then they come together explicit sex scene. I think it's gonna come to a decision. I think the sex scene is good.

I like the sex scene too, and I actually, like, regardless of sort of, like, how it does feel very, like, fantasy, like, white dude in the nineties fantasy, like, nerdy guy, the the romance feels real. Like, the actors Yeah. So well that you believe is true. And so when and I I get there's the title. I said it.

That's that's why they I'm Leo. I'm putting up the screen. Got them. Got them. But we get after they have sex, we have this great scene where Patricia Arquette is sitting outside on this billboard outside of Clarence's apartment, and she's crying.

Oh, and that's a great visual. Yeah. The visual of her sitting in front of the billboard, she comes to She comes clean. Comes clean. Decision.

Yep. Yeah. About being a call girl that was hired by his boss, but that she loves him. Like, she actually isn't Oh, yeah. Is all he's all for her because why wouldn't he be?

And she says, like, when I do this, I'm all in. So just so you know, like, this is very serious. And I gotta back up because I had mentioned, like, I like the sex scene. I just wanna explain that very quickly. Top Gun.

Exact correlation in terms of director or whatever. Bad sex scene. Very different rating, but really really bad love scene. This one, if you can hit some sort of in between of this and Top Gun, maybe closer to this, but I'm gonna repeat what I've said on this podcast and in general. Movies just aren't like horny enough anymore.

It's a it's a bummer. I love movies like Fatal Attraction. Unfaithful is as goofy as it is. It's great. You know, I movies can be a little horny, especially if people like, these people are enamored with each other.

I don't know. I I haven't seen challengers. I hear that's pretty horny. Oh, alright. I gotta I I heard that love lies bleeding is pretty horny.

I heard those are No. There's a renaissance happening. Maybe you need to get on a horny horny movie month. Maybe I do. That's what November is for.

No. Not November. No. November changed dramatically. Nonstop November.

Tattoos They get hit they get hitched real quick. Real quick. Yeah. Like, this this whole thing takes place. Like, I'm trying to figure that out in, like, a couple days.

Right? Because they meet, get married, and then the whole movie takes place. Yeah. I wanna say it's, like, 7, like, 2 hours ish. Yeah.

It's very fast. I mean, it's Romeo and Juliet. Whirlwind. So, yeah, they get married real quick. She tells Tattoos?

Tattoos. Tattoos all the way. Bueno forever. Yeah. Dude, this is, by the way, when they're getting the tattoo and Patricia Arquette mentions, like, Drexel, etcetera, etcetera.

Not only I think this is the moment where Christian Slater's like, oh, I'm gonna fucking kill this guy. Mhmm. I see that in the performance. And I wonder if you guys feel this also. Do you think he's killed anyone before?

I was we were talking about this. I was trying to figure out, like, we're introduced to this guy as kinda like a pop culture comic book nerd. You know, he's like the he likes kung fu, and he works at the comic shop. Is he supposed to have this backstory of being this badass, or did love make him this? Like, his father was a cop, so maybe there's some kind of, like Yeah.

Background. I don't know. I was trying to figure that out. Is it is it how he got the car. I wondered if the Elvis because this guy's crazy.

Oh, yeah. And that's another thing is he I don't know if he's done it. Has he done it at this point in the movie? But he he hallucinates Elvis or the mentor. Oh, right.

Yeah. Val Val Kilmer as Elvis. Dude, it's Which I mean, that's Wonderful. That's great. Yeah.

But, yeah, he goes he go and he's like, I'm gonna go fucking kill this guy, and he goes to this pimp house. And Drexel well, first, we meet Drexel who just is a badass who killed Samuel l Jackson. Where we get the Samuel l Jackson scene. And he's like, give me the gun. And he gives it to him and then And he gives him the gun.

Yeah. Yeah. He must know nothing about this guy. Right. This is a this is an all time Gary Old man performance, I would say.

It's so great. It's so great. And and I feel like and I guess I can't be the one to speak to this because I am, in fact, a white. Oh. Oh, you're white?

Yeah. He's white. Oh. He's white. But it it feels and this would be a I I don't know.

It feels like it's not an offensive performance. I don't think it is really at all. Does anyone know the story of of where he was inspired for this or how he worked on it? Like, one thing I did read is, like, he, I think, punched up some of the dialogue himself, and he was like, I actually asked, like, young black men to help me. So yeah.

That's so. That's true. I watched a video where he was shooting the professional first before he shot this movie. That's crazy. He went to some guys in Queens, I guess, and was like, can you come into my trailer?

I wanna talk with you and record you if I can. And he spent time talking with people and whatnot and really wanting to make sure he hit the role with a level of honesty of how this this character, this person channeling this would kind of be or kind of live in this world. I can't imagine how Gary Old man ultimately gets to the places he gets. His accent in this, I was I couldn't quite figure out what he was going for, but he was consistent with it. He he really is.

And when Christian Slater meets Drexel, man. So either way, I'm gonna back up. A Better Tomorrow 2 is on the TV. I love that there's like a couple John Woo references in this movie, I feel, which is kinda cool. Oh, man.

Yeah. But, there's that. And then we get the mentor voice. And then we go to Drexel. So we meet, you know, Elvis first where he's like, hey, man.

Your right to kill Right. Right. Right. You're you're right to do it, man. Like, where is it, like is he justifying you doing it again, or is he giving you the inspiration, the juice to do it the first time?

That's the question I walk away with. And it has he always had this dark passenger? Right. Somebody who's, like, telling him what to do? Because he's obsessed with Elvis.

He wants to fuck Elvis, dude. He does he says it. If if he had to fuck a guy, he would fuck Elvis. Yeah. I'd fuck Elvis.

You'd fuck Elvis? Just to say you just to say you did? I mean yeah. Just for, yeah, just for the story? But I'm gonna be the guy that didn't fuck Elvis?

The one guy? The one guy. Yeah. The one guy who didn't fuck Elvis? Come on.

The Yeah. No. I mean, I'm not messing around here. With Drexel though, when Christian Slater's like, I'm not gonna do anything. I'm just gonna get your stuff back.

It's gonna be alright. Dude, he's very likable in this movie. Their their charisma is totally below both the leads. Chemistry is believable. Yeah.

Yeah. Both the leads are just so likable in this movie. And this scene, again, great scene work. The scene with Drexel and the lamp shade that's really low. Oh, that whole thing with, like, when he kept shining the light on him, like, it was an interrogation line and then back to himself.

I don't know if that was Tony Scott's choice. I don't know if that was something Gary Old man just did, but it was brilliant. It was brilliant. I feel like that's something that dude would do. It's kind of a, it's a little bit of a big big dick thing after essentially Christian Slater refuses to break bread with Drexel, with Gary Old man when he's like, do you want an egg roll?

Sit down. You want an egg roll? And and Christian Slater is like, no. Like, I will not break bread with you. That is when Gary Old man makes this amazing switch.

Like, where it goes from kinda scary to, like, very menacing. I feel like another person. I feel I don't know. I feel like I could try. I guess the only thing here that makes me think and we learn this information later, but that makes me think that he isn't a badass, that this might be a new thing, is that he leaves his ID there.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That was It's really not a hardened criminal. And it's a really mess it's a really messy situate.

Like, he he he doesn't really go in with much of a plan. You know? I mean, he almost fucking dies. So, like, if he was really going in with a plan, he'd just walk in there and fucking shoot him, you know? But he clearly has to build up the strength to do that.

So, like, they get into this crazy fight, him and the bodyguard and Drexel and and then, like, Drexel is caught off guard because I guess I would I can justify this, but they don't search the dude before they walk back into this drug pimp house? Yeah. For a gun. It seems like there's an open it seems like there's essentially a mild open door policy ish, especially as he comes in when he just says the thing about Alabama. I don't know.

There's some things about this movie, the things people say or do or don't do where keeps it from a 5 for me, I guess. And that's one one of the things where I'm, like, why, how, whatever with that whole thing. But it's just so good that I ultimately don't really care. And I think the most important part of this moment though is that he asks one of the other, sex workers to pack pack Alabama stuff, and the suitcase that he ends up grabbing ends up being just, like, full of cocaine. It's just a bag of cocaine.

Bag full. Which, like, did that did that lady not open the bag? Or did she I think he just grabbed a different suitcase. He just grabbed not what she packed, I assume. I think her being uninvolved after this dude shoots Drexel in the face from a foot away that she probably assumes this guy is here for that.

Oh, yeah. That could be too. Almost. It Oh, sure. For me with with Christian Slater also, I'm with you guys where it's like he needed Elvis to, like, he'd been gearing toward this, but he needed to be a vigilante hero kind of.

It had to be where he could it it had to be the right thing. The king had to tell him it's right. Yeah. And he said, like, you'll get away with it no problem because And that was the other thing. Another pimp dies, the cops.

Won't hang up. And not to say, like, this is what I wanted. It would have maybe helped a little bit just for this, like, motivation thing we're questioning if there was a and I know this is, like, a a different a whole new subject now in this world. But if there was, like, a when they're at the comic book stop store, if there maybe he's just, like, shows her a Punisher comic. Something like that that just, like That would have been nice.

Where, you know, he you see this, like, oh, he's been reading these comics for so long. Like, no wonder he's, like, thinking he can just go do that. Like I said Spider man kinda plays that role. Yeah. But Punisher is a different story.

Punisher is more what he is. Maybe that's how it's written. And maybe they're like, no one knows who this is. We gotta make it a comic book. I mean I like that though.

I think the Spider Man thing works, what you're saying, in terms of, like, the vigilante piece that you that it seems like we're all agreeing on. But I I also think, like, where it's, like, if you go with someone like Punisher, it's a little bit more of a, like, this this guy has a tie to this specific, journey. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. That would do. I'd I'd say, like you said, Paul, or, like, the thing that I would say keeps this from being a higher rating for me is mostly some of the the writing that I didn't love. The only real ding I have against Tony Scott might have been this scene because, you know, he's he's known for his real frenetic camera. Scene.

I couldn't tell what was going on in this fight. It was too claustrophobic. It was too clear. Dark. Yeah.

I I could not tell. So when, like, the the bodyguard was all messed up afterwards, I didn't even know he was in the fight. I did have a thought while watching that scene in particular, the fight scene that I thought, what, Tarantino shoot would shoot that better. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

The fight scene in particular. The 4 k version of it, I assume has been color corrected and lighting corrected and things have changed or whatever. There's a the moment he head butts the bodyguard when he's on the bottom of him is super clear, but I agree with you guys for a couple moments, there's like this loss of, like, who's doing what or why. I agree with you. There are a couple parts that hit hard and, like, a couple parts where the thread gets buried in that fight.

And I I guess I do find myself wanting to see that different thing or that, like, more, like, man on fire kinda Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna jump into this purple Cadillac and drive this thing a little bit if you guys don't mind. Probably stolen or inherited and he's too stupid to get rid of it clearly.

I'm at like literally Ben here is hungry and I want some of these post murder hamburgers because he goes back and he he gets he stops for fast food. Excited and loved. So hungry. And she thinks it's so sexy that she he went and killed her pimp. It's so romantic.

But now they have this cocaine, and they have to Cocaine. GTFO. But first, Daddy? We gotta we gotta stop and talk to daddy. I love the Hopper performance.

Me too. I love it. I think it's great. Yeah. I think it's great.

And, like, he's such a problematic person. He he was. I haven't read the book, but I think I've referenced the book a lot Yeah. On here. Right?

I Hollywood, rage Easy Riders and raging bulls. Oh, right. Right. Right. Lot of cocaine.

Cocaine. Speaking of cocaine. Dude did a lot of cocaine. Yep. Yeah.

So his dad is a retired police officer now working security, lives in a a trailer right next to a train, which is a great great location. Can't you can't buy real estate like that. Dude, his the idea of his existence or whatever, it's just so sad. Yeah. Dude, the lie, the lies told to him and the lies by omission to his dad from Christian Slater.

And I you never know what happened and why they didn't talk for a long time. Yeah. I think 3 years they said that. But it's just it's the whole thing is just it's so bittersweet. It is.

But it it these performances are great. Yeah. And he's looking to get some of his dad's inside police force information about this this murder that he did, and we wanna see if he's in the clear. And we learned that Drexel had this connection to this huge mafia. Scary people.

Yeah. Blue Lou or something like that? Something like that. Yeah. Somebody The big guy.

The blue genie. That's not the guy to necessarily be worried about, though. Blue genie. Yeah. Vincenzo or what I can't remember.

Walkins, that's the guy to be worried about. Who I believe. He's like an associate of this guy. Right? Yeah.

You know? They're all tied together. He's also still alive at the end of this movie. They get off scot free, but I'm like, but that mafia is still, like Oh, yeah. Out there.

Right? They lost some dudes. Like, those Yeah. But but that wasn't their whole mafia. Or whoever is.

Oh, no. No. Still around. Oh, yeah. That guy that guy's willing to get his hands dirty, but he's not willing to, like, go out into a potential, like, gunfight.

It's a he'll make an appearance. Well, he said I mean, he even said, like, that's the first person I've killed since 1984. Yep. He got him that pissed, which is great. But they they make this call to LA, and we get Rappaport Yeah.

And we get a Mount Rainier shirt, which I noticed for the first time. Oh, yeah. And they fuck in a in a phone booth. Dude, the phone books and the clothes. Dude, it's hot and it feels honest of 2 people who are enamored and lustfully fucking obsessed with each other and whatever else.

But they're they're on their way to LA, and now we It's a good rapport too. Yeah. It's a good Rappaport. This is a very good, understated, quiet, pretty soft, I think, Rappaport performance. This movie is by his standards.

Yeah. This movie is so fucking well cast. It's it's deep. It like, this is, you know, this is a basketball team where you can name, like, 15 anybody know who Michael Beach is? He's in this in a small role as the cop who gets shot in the stomach at the end and, like Okay.

It just goes and goes and goes and goes and goes. Yeah. They they're they're heading to LA because they know this guy who like, is actor who lives there. He's trying to be an actor, and we see his audition for, TJ Hooker, and it's Yeah. It's not great.

But they think he's pretty great. I guess, because he gets it. They might. Yeah. They must think he's good.

They think he's great. They make him happy. He's great. The cut right back at this point to Hopper and just the, like, yeah, your kid's a fucking idiot. We found his ID.

He drives around in a giant purple fucking Cadillac. Should have gotten rid of that immediately. That's again where you guys said it's like this is the first of time in this Clearly not a hardened criminal. But then they know where he's going. Yeah.

But Walken, like, actually punches him, which not a lot of these high up mafia guys are necessarily gonna do or at least the way they're portrayed on film. Right? They'll have somebody do it for him. Yeah. And the the hopper thing where, he is like Careful.

A Chesterfield. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And makes the decision, like, I'm gonna die to I'm gonna die. He knew he was gonna die, basically.

And I'm gonna have a cigarette and the music comes on. And this is, like We haven't talked about the music. Can we talk about the music in this film? The music comes on, and it's so fucking great throughout the film. All these musical cues that never hit too hard.

It never feels do you guys ever feel like they are ramming it down your throat? No. But I Matt and I were talking about this, like, when the steel drums come on in that first sequence I think it's like a friend brother. Yeah. By by the, yeah.

By the, billboard. And they're, like, talking about how much they love each other. It's so lively and jovial. It's aspirational. Yeah.

And it it's bringing this, like, levity to this and they're, like, crying. And they do it frequently. Yeah. And it it's just Zimmer went hard. I love it.

That motif. The yeah. It's just such a simple, like, ostinato that just, like, repeat ding ding ding ding. In this moment, when Hopper is, like, dude, these two characters, he's, like, hey, racist to racist, I'm gonna say something that is going to offend you as another racist so deeply that you're not gonna find my kid. I've decided.

This is the end. And it's difficult to watch for a lot of reasons, but I understand it. And so I don't know. The thing I don't understand is when walking uses the fish water? Like, where it's like, why?

There was a lot of aquariums throughout this film that I thought had to have some kind of significance because those are not cheap to set up and put fish in. But people are always shattering through aquariums or I'm always worried about the fish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Where was the thing at the end of the credits saying no no fish were harmed in the making of this film? Check for that. This is like the Milo and Otis for fish. So many fish were harmed during that. This is the the Nemo and Dory, the adventures of Nemo and Dory.

So But we get to LA. Right? Brad Pitt. As as the guy on the couch, the biggest stoner, we all know that guy on the couch. We've met that guy.

Some of us have been that guy on the couch. Paul is that guy on the couch. He's currently that guy on the couch. And I wrote a review for free, Jack, and I'm gonna read the whole fucking thing right now. Okay?

Okay. And it because that movie appears in this movie for a moment. Hey. Finally watched Freejack. So the the Michael Rapaport shows up, and he's, like, just rapping to his buddy, his friend Bronson Pinchot, the the assistant to a very big Hollywood producer about, I got some shit I wanna move.

I got some I got some snow to blow, dude. And he's he's from, I'm not wrong. Right? That's that's the guy from, Beverly Hills Cop? Yeah.

You are correct. You're absolutely correct. He's Sarfoni. Sarfoni. Yeah.

But Clarence takes a a meeting. Yeah. Well, they go on that roller coaster, which is great. They had a great sequence. Dude, Clarence goes on a meeting with a perfect stranger to unload this cocaine, an absolute perfect stranger.

And this guy's never done this, and he gets violently ill. Which that roller coaster sequence, Tony Scott shot the shit. He shot it like he was shooting Top Gun. It was I felt like the theater was in 40 x. Just like the the cuts and even the sound design was just like my eyes.

Of thunder. Yeah. Yeah. It was holy cow. That was the most visceral I've ever felt like a roller coaster watching us.

Bitch. Yep. It made me Absolutely. It made me wanna go back on a roller coaster. Right.

I love thrill rides. So They're the best. But, yeah, they're get they're gonna set up the because he he is friends with a big old producer, and they're gonna set up a, like, a drug deal at a hotel. And that's, like, established to, like he's selling this Doctor Zhivago. He's selling this yeah.

Doctor Zhivago. And he's he's only selling it for $200, which he says is $500, but that can be if you cut it, can be up to a1000000. So he's just trying to get rid of it and get out of town. Expert. This is, like, the helpful Brad Pitt.

Oh, yeah. With the James Gandolfini. Oh, RIP. RIP. And the fact that, again, this is how I think Christian Slater why I think Christian Slater is not a badass.

He just leaves where they're going, the address on the fridge. There's a comedy of errors throughout. He just he just fucks up every time. But the guest this this is ramping up to, I think, maybe my favorite sequence in the entire movie, which is Gandolfini v Arquette in the hotel room. It does a lot.

It does a lot. This is where I think maybe the director's cut and theatrical cut mostly differ because it's a lot to stomach for a lot of reasons. Brutal. It's established early in the movie when they're when Hopper gets killed, when Gandalfini, like, cuts his hand. He's like he's like Coming.

Getting off. A decision. And you're like, oh, this guy is somebody like, when you watch this guy in the background in this Tony Scott movie, it's very subtle. But there's a feeling that this guy is, like, don't fuck with this guy. And they it's laid in pretty thick with Brad Pitt.

How it's it's sinister how calm he is and how jovial he is. Yeah. That hotel sequence, it is uncomfortable because it's a lot of, like, brutality against a woman, and she's clearly in dire straits. You know? And, like, she is also not acquiescing to anything he's asking and taking it, like, on the chin.

The way I mean, when when she just walks in and sees him, the fact that she she has no she plays it so cool, and then she just pantries back. We don't have any Coke, but there's a Pepsi machine down the hall of this. I love that line. Excellent. Yeah.

I I don't understand why she does a great job of, like, playing the scene as written. Obviously, it's a great scene even in the beginning. But you walk into a hotel room with a stranger with a shotgun, and you're not like, hey. Like, what's up, bud? Like, you panic.

You run out. And but, obviously, movie needs to keep going. And I Well, I mean, she, you know, I think seen too. But I think she understands the danger that she's in immediately. Yeah.

She needs a direct call for Fortis? She does. She absolutely does. She she knows who the guy is or whatever. It's just, you know, he's gonna be, like, lady, I know who you are.

This is no escape. Like, you understand in that moment, she knows and he knows, and she plays it really well. It's just one of those things that it's like, it's an imperfect perfect thing. Yeah. But I think, like, I I I it works for me.

Like, I understand Same. Because she is really, really smart. And she's Yes. And she and she so capable. And she thinks she can outsmart him, and she does eventually, really, by prolonging her death and being able to, like, taffy it out because he she and the the dialogue here, I thought, was so great with Ganolfini talking about his first murder and his second murder.

And then, like Now he just does it just to see their expression. Yeah. And so, like, the sociopath. The torture and the brutality on the woman is really hard to watch, but then to see her, like, take advantage of where he of his hubris, I guess. Yeah.

Because he gives her the shot. Like Yeah. He he had her dead to rights, but he's like, go ahead go ahead. Stab me with that corkscrew. Yeah.

And she does stab him right foot. Oh, he wanted it in the body, though, because that's where No. She yeah. His jollies. Flip the script on him.

Oh. But then Dude. But then just just kills him 3 different ways. Yeah. And if you wanna talk theater experience, the uproarious cheer as she, like just that primal scream of rage as she empties a whole shotgun in to him and then beats him with it.

Yeah. We had goo I have goosebumps because everyone was cheering. Yeah. It was yeah. That was a a moment.

I I can only imagine the theater experience that you guys had at that theater, but regardless, like, the man, it must have been really something. But, like, watching this scene big screen whatever, in any way, and I don't, I'll find out if the director's cut is different. When people say the very valid point of, like, I don't I don't like to watch movies that glorify violence against women. This doesn't feel like that at all to me at No, it doesn't. At all.

And the I think it starts to glorify her character hitting the apex of her individual strength. She could have won this thing at a at a at a point and I think with the toilet lid, and then decides to burn this guy alive, which is like a sick crazy thing, but it's her just fully being Clarence Schmertz even though she loves him or whatever. She doesn't need anybody. It's it's a really fucking complex wild thing to watch. Yeah.

She's not a helpless damsel in any way, shape, or form. But she does, you know, finally, Clarence went to go get some fucking burgers again. As he does. This dude had burgers. It's a guy in burgers.

I love a burger. I love a burger. I'm making a burger. We went to Big Boy yesterday. Right.

Right. Burgers. Burrows got a burger. Burrows got a burger. But Oh, not a burrito.

Burbur. Burrito eating a burger. Strange visual. But at Bob's Big Boy, they describe their burgers by saying, this comes with 2 burgers on a bun with lettuce. I used the word burger.

Burgers instead of patties. Yeah. And we were saying that's not that's not a thing you can do. The burger's the whole sandwich. Burger's the sandwich.

The patty Can't just say there's 2 burgers on this burger. I do think I I do think you have to say burger patty or patty. Yeah. I think saying because if you ask someone, like, hey. What comes on the that comes on the cheeseburger?

Oh, it comes on the burger? Yeah. It's like, Royal Berkshire. They call their big boy also a double deck burger, not a double decker. Yeah.

A double deck and They call it Royale with 2. Royale with 2. That's true. Fathered me more than a problem. These regional things are maybe regional or brand things or whatever.

It's like, that's we're we're not making that's not a thing. Fetch is not a thing. We're not doing that. Well Stop stop stop time to make double deck happen first. Yeah.

Introducing this new storyline where, what's his face gets pulled over the, the pin show. Because the cops are now Elliott. Yeah. So On to Elliott. Yeah.

I Dude. I The girl the actress in the car see the cop getting closer in the background. Yeah. And then it's like, where's that bag of Coke gonna end up? And they're passing it back and forth.

He's like, put it up, and you can see the cop getting closer. And then right before the cop gets there, he's covered in cocaine. He has the worst thing that can happen. She's the best. She has the second sight to be like, no, I'm not fucking doing that.

I thought you Yeah. No. Are you insane? And it's a 100% you believe this guy would do this, that this is the downfall, that this, it's just so beautifully written that this guy is gonna be the guy, like, to to try and or potentially bring it all down. And the Coke bag thing with and then the the pen and Sizemore interrogation and the Rotten in Denmark thing again, which makes me wonder, is that fully He is improvpt?

Which was I mean, they say Oh, wait. Wait. That was improvised. Yeah. They say it to the chief, so I guess it's after that.

But Who said I do love this scene. Yeah. Yeah. I do too. And they're going to put a wire on him for this drug deal at the at the Beverly Hotel, and he's gonna put it on a on his dick?

Or gonna put a put it on his wall? At the time, if you wanted to wear a transmitter, you have to it's a big old transmitter. We didn't have the technology to do too thin. He probably had an antenna to Big old radio. He's probably sterile.

I mean, after that, probably radio waves. I think 5 g's of Paul is now that Paul's on Hanford's side. He's definitely sterile. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

I'm more slow dancing. Than I've ever been. Viridity. You sound like Crane. I am Kraang.

No. You guys can't see Paul now, but he's just a nerd inside of a robot currently. By the way, you guys can't see me when I do that voice? My body slithers. You gotta get a physicality into it to sell it.

Dude, I'm fucking committed, bro. I'm committed. You're almost too present. I goddamn it. That's gonna haunt me for the rest of my life.

The Rapaport, like, thing probably getting this part, like, the producer being, like, your friend a good actor? Like, what like, that side hustle thing, that little tiny tiny side story that doesn't matter at all is very funny to me. Yeah. It's random. And it's funny that he also comes with them to the drug deal and that Yeah.

You do it. Yeah. Why are you But that sequence in the friend. That sequence in the hotel, I think, is really great. Like Oh my god.

Did we Or up to a certain point. There's a point in the in the in the firefight that I start to Uh-huh. Kinda lose I think I might know where. What exactly everyone's doing. Did we, at this point, already get the second Brad Pitt scene where now Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Will all the mafia come in? I just love that moment. Like, you guys wanna wanna smoke a ball? Shac clack.

Oh. So Yeah. So they they do all the prepping. Like, the parties do all the prepping, and they want like, the cops do their prepping with with Bronson Pinchot, and everybody, like We're gearing up for the final showdown. Ready for the showdown.

And they had the thing in the elevator with Christian Sloan and whatever. I do believe for a moment and the cutting between the cops where it's like, he's going to do it. He's not going to do it. We've talked about tension a lot on this program. The scene is maybe tiny bit long for me, but ultimately, like, what a fucking beautiful exercise intention.

It's not point break with a lawnmower, but fuck, it's good. Although, I did think because we live in 2024, I was like, I don't know if that transmitter would work in an elevator. That's good. Probably not. It does doesn't it cut out at points?

Well, that takes a while. I think in the elevator. It does cut out when he well, when he starts messing with it later. Yeah. But he's purposely, like, hiding it at that point.

Yeah. But yeah. That whole The antenna went in. The whole whole elevator scene. Yeah.

There's something I kinda noticed throughout. I don't know if it's, like, a Tarantino thing that he does a lot. I never really thought about it before, but there's a lot of audience inserts, like, where a lot of the reactions of the characters are kinda what the audience is supposed to be. And that whole thing, the cops are kinda playing. I love this guy.

He's crazy. Like, it felt like what we were supposed to be kinda so that was, like, an interesting dynamic I thought during the whole thing. I wonder if it's, like, none of us would know. Does the casualness of that, like, this is does that work for you guys? Like, how casual the the Sizemore and Penn are during that at times or about the whole thing?

I mean, like they said, they've done this a 1000000 times. So this is just Tuesday for them. That bastard bison. Yeah. But the the whole, like For me?

Negotiate day. The whole negotiation of selling the Coke and the producer and the helicopter projection. It's pretty cool. He's trying to get to the brass stacks of, like, why are you trying to sell this for so cheap? Understandably, he has questions.

Yeah. Oh, oh my god. Yes. And Christian Slater is a good or Clarence is a good bullshitter. Oh my god.

Yes. He's so cool. The lie of the the corrupt cop and saying that cocaine is super believable. And the, kinda, this is just my friend. We just wanna unload this.

We wanna be rid of it. We wanna move fast. It all makes sense to me. Like, it's even little tie I guess that's why I kinda rest on the 4 and a half to a degree. Eric Allen Kramer is the actor's name when they walk in, when the the bust happens after everything falls apart.

And that big blonde dude is like, I fucking hate cops. You're like, oh, this is not gonna go well. Like, you would like but I buy it. Yeah. It's then the mob rushes in and we have mob versus producer, bodyguards versus cops versus mob, and there's, like Big old wacky stand up.

And it's not until it's revealed by the cop that Elliot was an inside man, and the producer throws hot coffee on him for tea. Coffee. Yeah. Some It's coffee. Yeah.

Because they're doing a bunch of coke, and he just keeps wanting more coffee. Right. And that's Right. Because you never have enough hoppers. Yeah.

And that's when, like, everyone just starts firing at everybody. That's why is that, like, the inciting? I guess they're just waiting for any movie. They throw coffee, and then they just start shooting. But I guess, like, this firefight, it's like all the feathers from the It's so John Woo.

Very John Woo. Yes. Yes. It's it's the moment that for me that's really weird is someone throws the or it's it's Clarence. Throws the somebody does the suitcase of coke in the air, Yeah.

Everyone starts shooting at that. Shoot it. Like And I was like, what? It's it's like, you know, if you have a gun and something flies in the air, it's like skeet shooting. You gotta shoot it.

Yeah. I I I just It's reactionary. I I was Can't help it. It's the training. It's a cool look, and we and, like, the coke goes everywhere, but, like, nobody's firing at a fucking suitcase.

You'd assume they wouldn't. No. I I like that Rappaport, there's a level of, like, oh, that's kinda smart that he just, like, throws something, just, like, creates movement of some sort. I'm not I'm not a fucking cop or a mobster. I'm not gonna see movement and shoot at something.

I'm not trying to justify it. But he just throws it in books. And Yeah. It's satisfying for me that he lives. I'm not the hardest to that character?

I'm really hardest to Brad Pitt. What the fuck are you talking about? Because Bob comes in with all the guns, and I'm like, what's up, bros? And it takes them having to And the honey bear bong. For me to just get my attention to be like, oh, shit.

Sorry. Left on Sawtell. Alright, dawg. You guys want me to? Oh.

Oh. Oh, yes. They all my weed. No. I don't know.

Clarence Clarence gets grazed in the face with a bullet and leaves like he's a dead side dead at first. In my eyes, yeah, looks like he's dead. Orbit loses an eye. Also, the, like, cop executes that blonde dude for revenge. Just, like, full on executes him after the Oh, yeah.

Firefighting's over, and then Patricia Arquette Yeah. Kills the cop. Yeah. She murders the cop. But to be fair This is for what is he?

Chris Pan says, like, this is for Tom Sizemore or whatever and just executes him. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I taking the woman hostage, and that's what allows, Clarence and Alabama to slip out by it. Totally works for me. Love it. Makes sense.

I'm okay. I guess I didn't realize that what was what was happening downstairs. I don't mind them getting out of the hotel, I guess. I I I don't know how they would drive away from LA and get away. Especially in that Cadillac still.

In that in that same purple Cadillac. And the Joker It's just been skating all over town. In the Joker mobile. Like, are you sure you don't wanna just get a fucking Toyota Corolla, bro? I know.

Like, go sell that and steal a new car or something. I don't know. But they go to Mexico, and they live a peaceful life, I guess. They get a they have a child They have a kid? Named Elvis.

Aww. Name him Elvis. And this is where I was like I said it later to Matt and Burrito that I I'm like, but the mob still exists. Yeah. Like, they're not.

Oh, god. Because they they They're not just gonna drop it. They took the 200 grand that the producer was gonna give them in unmarked bills, I'm assuming. The whites, and, anyway, they're living La Vida Loca. They really are.

They're They have a happy ending. They really do. I I also do believe to a degree in terms of the mob. As far as they know or can tell, pretty much everybody or everything that was of importance in that situation is done with. For the most part, as soon as the coke was gone, they washed their hand.

They were done. They were like, okay. Fuck it. And maybe they come after them when Elvis is 5. Who knows?

Make the sequel. That's the sequel. Yeah. Patty Arquette and and Christian Slater is still around. That only 5 years has passed, though?

They did delete the age. Yeah. Directed by Robert Zemeckis. Speaking of romance too. I hear that the movie here is is really bad.

Alright. There's the Robert Zemeckis with the de aging. Tom Inks. Right? Like the house.

Yeah. Yep. I'm just these, like, prestige directors using de aging. I'm like, guys, you guys see movies with de aging. Right?

Are you fans of it? Like, what what what is making you think that you can do this better? I don't Yeah. As the movie's over and we're about to re rate it. Yeah.

No. Don't say sorry. I think it's really important to have this conversation. I find it very strange that directors like James Cameron and Robert Zemeckis and James Mangold. I'm I'll stop we'll stop there.

And and studios and and very studios and filmmakers Scorsese. He said Scorsese. Yeah. In a really heavy manner, it keeps actors from getting jobs. Yeah.

Yeah. It furthers Yeah. That's a go to a young actor just starting out in the book side. It furthers it furthers and strengthens AI, and that is a problem. Yeah.

That is a problem. It will I get stop, please. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's it's tough, you know, like, when you're trying to I I feel like one of the problems in 2024 is that we've lived with a lot of these actors for for all of our lives, especially us millennials.

And so we know exactly what that actor looks and sounds like at that age that they're trying to portray. But at the same time, it's like we also don't care. I would be okay if you cast Colin Hanks as a young Tom Hanks. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Sure. Anyway, okay. Let's re rank it. I'm I'm almost done. I'm not ready to move on from this.

I know you guys wanna get lunch and so do I. The only way you 2 are leaving is over my dead body. Ben, I have to ask you I gotta get burgers. I know. I gotta ask you I know.

Who did you kill? I have to ask you specifically. And, Matt, maybe you've seen this too. Alien Romulus. Oh, yeah.

And spoiler alert, the AI interpretation or whatever of Pete Holmes shows up in that movie, and it completely fucking ruins the movie. Yeah. Outside of anything else or any great performances by human beings or whatever that movie tries to do and stand on its own legs or homage legs and tails and elongated heads from other entries, that one thing makes that movie basically unpalatable for me. I completely agree. I think I rated that one, like, 3 stars, and I think that was, like, really my one thing.

I guess it was completely unnecessary. Like I agree. There was no it's not like that. He's an android. Yeah.

I don't It's not necessary to the story. Absolutely no reason for that. What is your question to me? That was it. Like, does it does oh, I'm I apologize.

I didn't ask specifically. Did it bother you to the point where you're like, I don't think I like this as much as I thought I did when I walked out, or do you still you're like, no. I really like that movie. I mean, I don't I don't like that choice at all. I I I thought I told you this.

I hate that choice. No. I know. But have you thought more about it and and that movie is a are are you less excited to rewatch it or just as you have been as you've thought about that? I'm I don't know.

I'm excited to watch it again. I'm probably gonna buy it. I really like I love the movie. Story. I like the filmmaking.

I just hate I think my biggest problem with that is, like, why not go with like, if we're gonna if you wanna keep it in canon or reference something, go with Fassbender. Yeah. I know I don't like those movies that he's Android in, but, like, he's around. And, like, Jess and I were talking, like, there's a whole article about his estate. Ian Holmes' estate was really happy with this choice because he had gotten really depressed as he'd gotten older, and he thought that, a lot of people had forgotten about him.

And he really loved Oh, wow. Loved the Alien franchise, and that's why they agreed to give up his likeness for this. Maybe that recontextualized a little bit. Yeah. It recontextualized a little bit for me.

I still don't like the choice. Just from a story standpoint, I don't like it. I guess, like, for me, I always come back to, like, the big the biggest slight that we all have against Rogue 1 is the choice to have grandma Tarkin be yeah. They brought him back to Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more.

That is, like, I thought that after that movie talked to him. We had all agreed that we don't wanna do that anymore. And then we get shit like the Flash, you know, and we're just, like, oh, fucking Christ. What are we doing? I hate that I saw that coming.

I hate that I saw that coming. Nothing about that makes me be wanna go, like, told you so or knew they were gonna do that. Like, it's just, like, no. That fucking sucks. The one time that I feel like de aging really worked for me is Red Dragon.

As I I'm like, the one time that worked me was a Brett Ratner movie. Like, that fucking sucks. That shit sucks. Let's rerate this movie. I I just think it's important to have this conversation.

I mean, there's deaging, and then there's bringing someone back from the dead. Or yeah. Or 40 years in the past or fit yeah. Yeah. But I think those are kinda different things just because there's that aspect of this actor is dead.

Would they have agreed to this? Consent. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

It gets into some weird territory. Whereas at least with de aging, they can, yeah, go ahead, but it just is uncanny. Then you have, like looks weird. Robert De Niro trying to pretend like he's 25. Yeah.

Well, he's still clearly moving as an 80 year old man. He just his face looks younger. We've never had a congress about this. And on the note of that little deep cut joke, the fact that Robert and Wright is in Robert Zemeckis movie is wild too. Yeah.

Okay. Matt, you just watched this movie for the first time. We just had a conversation at length about it. What is your ranking now that we've discussed? I'm I'm I'm gonna stay where I'm at where I am, for Purple Cadillacs.

I think it's a very solid movie. I love it. It's a it's a mixture of so many genres. And like Paul says, it never really feels heavy handed. It just feels like it works.

It's like it's a real delicate balance because it could have gone it could have tipped over into ridiculousness really easily, but I thought the little bits of comedy were. And, yeah, I mean, after this discussion, I think I'm still strong in that conviction. I feel like, I'm at 4. I highly recommend this movie to anyone who hasn't seen it, especially if you're a fan of Tarantino at all, if you're a fan of Tony Scott, if you're a fan of Patricia Arquette. There is so much about this movie that is incredibly strong, and I think Paul said this.

Like, say what you want about Tarantino now, but like the man had such a huge influence on where we are in cinema now. I have my qualms against some of his choices of language and things like that. Yeah. Always put your best foot forward. Right?

Tell me. Yeah. You didn't pay money for this. He loves those feet. Feet, cocaine, pelvis, and losing my feet.

The hard r. The hard r. Those are his favorite things. So I'm gonna stick, I'm gonna stick here. I'm sticking because I'm sticky because I'm covered in that honey bear bong, you know.

By the way, there is some meat in that water. Right? There is some meat. Oh, I know. I saw that.

I was like, that's a great idea. That's a that's a brilliant idea. That could be good. Yeah. I'm gonna freeze some, cold brew coffee, make some ice cubes, throw that in the bong.

Maybe I should do something, like, a little with your swatter. Yeah. Yeah. You know you know. Okay.

Pick me up with your bring me down. So you're both staying at a 4? Correct. And I'm at a I'm at a soft 4.5, which is as high as I can go. As we have discussed, it has been established.

But Yeah. You can't just give out 5, Frank. I feel I'm actually gonna exceed the limit. I'm gonna go to a hard 4.5. Oh.

So I'm gonna stay at the 4. Right? Like, this is what? What's the difference? So it's disappointing no matter what.

So Now we're getting new ranking systems, hard and soft. I'm gonna go with a medium 4, actually. Well, I just soft 4. I feel more confident tepid 4. I feel more confident about it than I had because of this discussion.

Because the whole point of this fucking program. I'm excited to rewatch this at some point in, like, the reasonably near future, next couple of few years, if not sooner. I'm excited to watch the director's cut. I feel that y'all helped me understand various things about this and the characters and some of the characters' motivations and the why's or why nots of certain things. The biggest thing was, like, we all understand Christian Slater's, like, kinda nuts, but it was, like, a slow burn kind of taxi driver.

Would it, like, I don't know, weird thing and not fully Travis Bickle where he mostly, I think, almost exclusively. Although, he's dressed like him. Getting his dad He's dressed like Travis Bickle. Yeah. That that's where it's a little heavy handed.

Right? But that's the thing too. It's, like, even when we're in that scene with Hopper and Walken or various scenes throughout the movie, when it's being heavy handed with its language, it's being kind of, like, coy and, like, nuanced and, like, it's almost like a great white shark with the meaning. But it's still it I it still resonates. And I felt like y'all heard me, and I felt like a lot of the things that you were saying, I heard.

And so, I'm just even slightly more excited that I own this and more excited to cut this episode and share the movie and the episode with people because it's one of those movies that can be hard to share. Mhmm. Yeah. I'm gonna rewatch it and I'm gonna share it. And if you agree with a 4.5.

If If you can tell the difference, let me know. And if you ever get a theatrical experience, I recommend it. Oh, highly. Oh, I'd love yeah. I'd love it.

I'd love it. I'm so glad you guys did it. I I can't wait I can't wait to rewatch it myself so I can actually review it. Thanks for Yeah. In here, Matt.

Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. It's great to be Love you, bud. Good stuff. Back in person.

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