HH 10 - Friday the 13th RAPID FIRE (Guest Cohost: Rachael Fosket)

Our first RAPID FIRE fast (? Er!) episode is a ‘Holiday Helping,’ of/for “Friday the 13th,” (d. Cunningham 1980) with Guest Co-Host Rachael Fosket (Her?)! Starring: Betsy Palmer, Adrienne King, and Kevin Bacon. We say, "Happy Birthday, Jason!(?)” That's just one of the many things we debate in this special episode, on a special day, for Mother's special boy.

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Hey, everyone. Welcome. It's the review review rapid fire. What's different about this concept for the program? Well, I'll tell you.

It's normally myself, Paul, one of your regular normal I like to say normal as if you're abnormal. One of your regular co hosts. Ben may be here sometimes. I may not be here sometimes. It may just be a guest host and one of us and maybe three people.

It'll be fun to figure this out, but Rachel, you've been here before. Her? Her? Egg? Everyone looks good on the show now.

And she just takes, like, a hard boiled egg, and she and she puts the squeezes the mayonnaise in it. And she calls it a man egg. It's cute. Rachel has joined us again from our her episode Her. Her.

Our Virgin Suicides episode, and our To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything Julie Newmar episode. Everyone looks good in the Shineheart. You're batting really well so far. No. I say no one.

This is a movie that I asked you to do. I will absolutely 100% admit that right up front. Mhmm. I said Friday the thirteenth one or Friday the thirteenth part six, Jason lives. And using a level of logic and reason, he said, maybe we just use the one.

Like, why mess with an original? Why? What why indeed? Something we're gonna talk about somewhat deeply as we get into this. But it actually is Friday the thirteenth, and we're gonna come at you very, very fast in this episode.

So forget about it. If you hear some general murmuring or coughing or rolling around or scratching at things, that is Matthew Foskett. He's in the background. He's doing his thing. I think he is It's right behind you.

Right behind me. It's fine. Me? No. Is he watching, like, a slap chop, or is that, like, the thing where the guy slaps the tape on the 10 it looks like an infomercial.

I think it is, but it also looks like AI. My husband's really pro AI, guys. Just so everyone knows. Jumped on the bandwagon and ran away with it. Huge fan.

Rachel. Yes. Tell me what you've been doing. Going to therapy. Yeah.

Doing a lot of soul searching, trying to exercise, take care of myself. I've also been trying to get a movie made. I work at an events venue in Downtown Los Angeles that was actually the or cathedral of Los Angeles. And and got deconsecrated. It's it's this old Catholic rectory and cathedral, and it's very haunted.

And so all of the event servers that work there always are joking about all the ghosts. And sometimes we joke about how we actually just died, and we're just forever stuck in eternity Oh, woah. Serving people. It's like a sense kind of. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought that was really fun. And then all of a sudden, one night, I just started writing this film, a short film, a day in the life of a newly hired event server and the horrors that befall her as night falls, and she's asked to work an event. Ghost related and non ghost related. So Yeah.

Just human related, existence related. Yeah. So I finished that, and right now, I'm in the process. I've put a team together. I have a director, producer, sound editor, and me, and a cast, a full cast.

I'm trying to go through the process of either getting I have fiscal sponsorship, shout out to From the Heart Productions. And now I'm trying to get grants approved and find outside sponsorship as well. So things are happening, hopefully, soon. Things are happening. That's very, very cool.

Yeah. I have to ask if you had any personal experience at this space specifically with the the the paranormal, the supernatural. Yeah. There is a ghost in the Fourth on the Fourth Floor. The it's the c q ghost, and everybody basically has an experience.

It's not so far, it's not like a menacing ghost. It's a presence. And often things will just happen, like, bottles will topple over or lights won't work or the garbage can will move by itself in front of you. The presence is a little more playful, a little more to be. I'm here.

I'm around. Like, let's Hey, guys. Yeah. Let's find out. How's it going?

What you been up to? Yeah. It's not like a poltergeist. It's not like a Jason Voorhees situation whatsoever. Okay.

Continue. Sorry. No. It's a great it's a fun ghost. But yeah.

And there's, like, there's so many interesting avenues with the story. Like, it is a ghost story. It's a haunted house story, but it's also you know, one of my favorite things about nineteen eighties, nineteen seventies camp horror films, if we wanna segue into that, they're kind of questions or themes that you get to you get to ask or explore when you're writing something, and you get to use the horror genre to kind of have free reign of that. So, like, fright night addressing the AIDS crisis. The horror genre allows you to ask some questions.

And with this one in particular, I'm kind of talking about the different facets of death Mhmm. At different, like, stages of of grief and our relationship with death, which which is fun to do in an old Catholic church in Rectory. As you're only hearing this audience, there's a a bit of a devious, can I use that word, smile? Smile coming out of the Angel has. And not all the presences in this story behind you.

Not all of them are just presence size. There some are maybe not super nice. No. Yeah. In terms of camp horror, do you have a favorite or a specific one that's not this movie or any of these movies?

Actually, there's one I wanna bring to the show at some point. It's the have we have you guys you haven't done the Exorcist. No. We've done the one in believer, technically. Uh-huh.

We have never even talked about doing the one. You and I have talked about our mutual there's a level, I guess, now that it became common knowledge of various people who were like, you know, movie rules, exorcist three. And so you now have to whisper, like, what? Like, I know it was already kinda borderline. Yeah.

You like well, you watch exorcist three. Yeah. But have you seen the configuration? No. What?

It's a movie directed by I think it's William Peter Blatty, and it stars Stacy Keach and Is Alice Cooper an extra in it? No. Are you thinking of Prince of Darkness? Yes. John Carpenter movie that is not my favorite acting in the world, but I really love that movie.

I like Alice Cooper. Man, why not? He's so great in Wayne's World, right? I know. Does this guy know how to party or what?

So back to the configuration, because I know how to party. It's kind of a really cool, bizarre, but easy to place. Like, oh, this could be like exorcist two because it is kind of an examination of religion and spiritual belief and stuff versus, like, science and psychology and are you crazy and, like, that whole thing. It's a cool movie. It's very it sticks with you.

It's very eerie. Is that your favorite? Oh, of the Exorcist series? No. No.

No. Of just your, like, camp horror. Oh, no. I love it. Well, I was thinking camp specifically, like camp, like, summer camps because I was very on the nose.

But I love and I know this is kind of a controversial thing, but it's just so insane from start to finish, sleepaway camp. Oh, I was just thinking about that one. I Yeah. So I there's two sleepaway camps at least. Right?

I think there's three or four. Okay. Yeah. I saw one of the later iterations of it thinking that I saw the one. So I thought whatever version I saw was the one.

So I invited all of my friends to come watch it. These innocent babies, these humans probably go to church on Sunday. One year old, 18 old, 22 old, innocent babies. You sit and watch. Watch this.

It's great. It's great. No. No. It's fine.

It's campy. And then the ending happened, and I was like, oh. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah.

It's one of those shock endings, right, in the horror genre, and it's something we're talking about. Was it done with consent? Like, did that person know that that was gonna happen to their image? I don't know. There's so much stuff out there about that movie, but I have not become one of the learned about sleepaway camp, but that ending is wild.

As far as, camp campy horror, I think this this one actually might be my favorite. Oh, okay. Do you have a a favorite Friday? That's my last question. That's unfair.

I've only seen, like, the early two thousands ones, like Okay. Freddy versus Jason, which was fun. Oh, it it's entertaining. It's a movie. It is a movie.

Absolutely, it is that. It is at least eighty minutes and It is. Has credits and the whole thing. Unions, all of it. Budgeted?

I love Friday the thirteenth six. I absolutely adore it. Now I gotta see it. So great. Rachel k.

What have you been watching? I have been watching. Oh, I watched Hush. Have you seen Hush? Oh, yeah.

It's Mike Flanagan and Kate Siegel. It's their like they're kinda die hard in a house with a Yeah. Deaf woman. Yeah. I loved it.

I loved it. Mhmm. And I watched, again, Mike Flanagan's, The Life of Chuck. Oh, what did you think of that? I really liked it.

I have this thing. A lot of what was discussed in the film, like, the the way that we think about life and death are things that I just think about constantly. Mhmm. And how we matter to other people and how we are viewed by other people. Have you seen it?

No. I have not. It's very interesting. I watched I watched Cat Person. It's like a suspense drama.

The old one? It's not my favorite. It's not Cat People with Nastasia Kinski Oh. With David Bowie on the soundtrack or the original. It's something called Cat Person.

I believe it's based on a book. It's directed by Susanna Fogel. It it's one of those movies that, like, oh, this was, like, clearly made for a movie theater, but I watched it streaming, and I'm not sure if my experience may have been a bit different. But I do wanna make sure because what's her face in it? Of course what's her face is in it.

What's her face is in fucking everything. She was in, the Nosferatu with Lily Lily Rose Depp? No. It's Amelia Jones and Geraldine Viswanathan. Nice.

I just wanna say, I agree with this letterbox users assessment, Aurora with kind of a thread heart symbol. Pros, Britney Spears' needle drop. Cons, cousin Greg from Succession saying, good girl. Oh. Yeah.

You can't sum it up any better than that, I don't think. I don't know what that means. If you wanna I don't know. Do do you wanna watch it? Do you never wanna watch it?

I don't know. I I'm one of those people that I really like people telling me about things before I watch them. Okay. Well, if that kind of is making your skin crawl, go with that feeling. Okay.

Okay. Speaking of skin crawling, it's time for the facts. Archaeology is the search for facts. Compliments of the Shineheart wig company. So Friday the thirteenth, Paramount rated r nineteen eighty, a hour and thirty five minutes.

The budget was $550,000 adjusted at 2.14 mil. Opening weekend Nothing at all? May 11. May 11? Yeah.

Summer movie? And this is not for summer movies. So many we're gonna talk about Friday the thirteenth a lot in this episode. A lot a lot. Okay.

$19.80, world gross was 39,000,000? Yeah. Adjusted to a 151,800,000.0. Wow. Lot of money.

Very successful film. Wow. Also, fun fact, I was checking this because we're we saw something in the movie. 1980 is also The Shining. Mhmm.

Okay. Oh. Litterbox average three point zero. Is that oh, out of four? Follow us at Out of five.

Out of five? Five? Okay. Follow us at run b n c and paul x badly and Rachel Foskett. Rachel with two a's, r a c h a e l f o s k e t.

And Sysco and Emert Ebert. Emert. I like Emert. You're okay, Emert. Soskull and Emert gave it a Just get on Soskull.

Strong do not recommend. The Rotten Tomatoes score was 67%. 60% audience. Rachel okay. That's me.

The director of this film was Sean s Cunningham, spring break, Deepstar six. The writers were Victor Miller, The Black Pearl, Ron Kurds, rest in peace, Off the Wall. Director of photography, Barry Abrams, rest in peace, The Children, Manny's Orphans. The music was done by Harry Manfredini. Doing a lot of work, Harry man.

Doing work I'm a lot of man. Doing the Lord's work. Lot of it. And Harry is known for his contributions to House and Wish Master. Harry House.

Producers were Sean s Cunningham, Freddy versus Jason the front line view. And Steve do we wanna say minor? I believe it is minor. Okay. Warlock.

Betsy Palmer, rest in peace, known for missus missus voo Voorhees. Voorhees? Voorhees. She is known for the Worries. Worries.

Worries. Vorhepa. Vorhepa. Okay. Missus Worhepa.

She's known for the 10 star and Marty. Adrienne King, known for her portrayal as Alice. Saturday Night Fever and Friday the part two. Janine Taylor is Marcy. She's known for this film.

Robbie Morgan, Annie, is known for forbidden love. And me, Natalie. And Kevin Bacon, who was Jack in this film, is known for his lovely evil villain roles. Wait. Was he a villain of You Could Ben?

Mhmm. Yeah. And sleepers. But he's also known for Kind of. So he's well known, though.

These are well known movies, this Bacon person. But, you know, I think I think that people know him or at least six of us do. Well, I just cooked him just now. Yeah. Cooked him.

I think he's, like, kind of a villain in A Few Good Men because I think he's, like, the opposing attorney, so he's not a bad guy. He's just doing his job. I think. But he's kind of a dick. Yeah.

He's a really great villain in other films. He he's a wonderful actor. Truly, he is. We love him. Where's the Meryl Streep one?

That's my favorite. Like a river or something. Oh, the river wild. Yeah. Great.

With David Strathairn and yeah. And John c Riley, I think. That's, like, an early Riley. So good. Well, Rachel, I'm gonna tell you something.

This is a fact. I, I'll I'll tell you this for free. The Friday the thirteenth franchise rights are very complex. Victor Miller, the original writer, was awarded the original screenplay's domestic rights in 2021. Horror Inc, Sean Cunningham, owns the rights to the franchise internationally and the film outside The US, all the sequels, and New Line Cinema holds the trademark for the title.

Paramount distributed a bunch of these original movies. LeBron James, NBA star, and Space Jam two, the quest for more money. His production company, Spring Hill Entertainment, was rumored to be interested and, was negotiating acquiring the rights to the franchise as recently as 2023. Peacock is now in preproduction on a new Friday the thirteenth prequel series, Crystal Lake, set in the seventies. It will explore the story of Pamela and Jason Voorhees.

Voorhees. Before Pamela and Jason Voorhees, before the events of the original film, the series is being produced by a twenty four. I am also gonna mention we're not gonna spend a bunch of time talking about, like, Jason rising or these really cool extended lore things about this massive Friday the universe that exists. We're mostly gonna stick to this film and kind of the original movies, you know, one through six or eight as that's probably where most of our knowledge lies, at least mine. I don't know about you.

You said you've watched this one already and Yeah. Freddy versus Jason and stuff. So maybe some of that, we might get there. Rachel k. If you'd like to k.

You can take a stab at the log line. Take a stab. Get it? Because it's because that's what that's what happens. They they get stabbed.

It's good. Yeah. Because that's a good one. You know what? It's a killer.

You're killing it. Yeah. Okay. Now I can't cut it because that was good. Now I can't cut it.

Get it? Or can you? We have to stop. That's what she said? We could do this.

The last time We could do this all night. We could do Which is what she she did it. She did it. She murdered them all night. We really brought that all the way around.

That was beautiful. Like a full moon? Yeah. On the thirteenth even. Well, I think I got it.

Yeah. I bet you do. I love the confidence. I bet it's a bunch of camp counselors keep getting murdered on Friday the thirteenth. I like yours better.

It's more what it is. To the point. Thank you. Oh, she said. Oh my goodness.

This episode is brought to you by continuation. And end the cycle. Yes. And continuation. A group of teenage camp counselors attempt to reopen an abandoned summer camp with a tragic past, but they are stalked by a mysterious, relentless killer.

Both log lines good. I yeah. I feel like I got that. Both good. We're gonna take a very fast break.

You're gonna hear from the super kind folks about continuation and we shall return. Yes. Everyone, Rachel had an and in there that I paused. There was a beautiful dramatic pause. We kept you in suspense though.

Okay. We'll be back. And. Nothing or nothing? Nothing.

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Everyone welcome back, we're here. I want to remind you, you really should go to see the time machine at Hollywood Fringe at the Broadwater, get a drink at the Plunge if you like. It's gonna be playing the rest of June 2025. We're going. I went.

I really enjoyed it. I'm excited. Ben directed the shit out of it. Jess and all the actors acted the shit out of it. Burris puppeted the shit out of it.

Oh, no. It's such a fun modernization of it. If I were able to, I would go again. I am very excited. I'm very excited to see it now going this next week, I believe.

Be excited. It's so, so fun. Really Congrats, Ben. Enjoyed enjoyed it so much. We don't have Cinephile, and we're going fast.

So we're not gonna play Cinephile. Anyone, if you're close to Ben and you can get the Cinephile cards, take them. It's the only way he can be killed. Okay. Rachel.

Help us. You had seen this movie before? I had last year. And was that your time? It was.

Did you rate it well? I didn't rate it as well as I do now. Interesting. You did just watch this. Yes.

How do you feel just now? And tell us about it a bit. I just sat down and rewatched it again, and I loved it. I would give it, honestly, five chopped off mommy heads. I would not have suspected expected.

I'm blown away. I I snuck up from right behind me. I just got exploded. With a machete or an ax. Yes.

What was it that got you to the five? What was it that was there one or two things that just pushed you over the edge? I think realizing there was one there's basically Halloween before this with this style. This was completely new. I saw so much influence that other films have taken from this one, and I don't think it got as much.

I mean, I know everybody loves Friday the thirteenth. From my own perspective, I've never heard it be as beloved as other ones. And there's Twin Peaks influenced by this and the score, the ability to take a new concept of the handheld and, like, use that as a scare tactic and tricking us and the jump scares and their the masterfulness of the jump scares. The score was so in tune, almost a character of the film. It was.

It was kill, kill, kill, ma, ma, ma. Like, it was so good. You're hearing inside of her head sometimes. And I I mean, that's ruining something, I guess. But, I mean, it's been forty five years now.

Guys, watch it. I love that you and I are having some crossover here. I I saw this as a child, too young. I was must have been 52, 53 because I was in '81. 60 Please.

Thank god. Children. But I saw this movie as a young person. And the last time I I rated it very highly then, but the last time I watched it, I would give it, like, a two and a half. For that, it it's like you see people playing original monopoly because there's monopoly go and fast money monopoly and parks and rec monopoly and golden girls monopoly and catopoly and rip offs and all this other shit.

Ripties monopoly. Monopoly and Catopoly and rip offs and all this other shit. Riptune's Monopoly. Right. It's like Showgirls Monopoly.

And so there's Monopoly is not an original thing. There's landlord lord's game and there's something else, but basic Monopoly as it was was stolen. But monopoly is semi original. It spins things, and it's like a perfectly likable or lovable rip off. And that was the way this hit me this time where I was like, this was just packaged in a way.

There's something studio about it. I think that's why Paramount picked it up. There's something that feels studio, like, polished about it that some of these movies you were talking about Halloween. I see a tiny bit of Texas Chainsaw, like Last House on the Left, I Spit on Your Grave, some of these things that have some Italian jello shit. But it makes it so shiny and approachable, and it feels like a movie that you wanna watch on Friday the thirteenth or Halloween or on a stormy night.

And it really captures that same thing that a lot of these other things do. I had a lot of trouble with some of the acting and the lighting and some of the pacing. I loved it. Oh, I love the lighting. And I love The lighting is so hard that everything that happens at night outside when she's out into the night and it's just her white shirt Yeah.

And then just, like, the rain, like, effects, like, as the lightning hits. And, like, honestly, loving the really horrible lightning flashes on Kevin Bacon and his girlfriend's face at the beginning. You're like, that's just a flashlight. That's the thing that I really get swayed on with some of these movies where I was thinking about some of the the Twin Peaks things that you were thinking about and the fact that I love affirmation like that. But I also love where it's like, what what does Jeff Bridges say in Iron Man?

Tony Stark did this in a cave with a bunch of scraps. Like, it's one of those things where it's like, this is pretty fucking amazing that people kind of made a movie that was inspired by a bunch of other things and made it feel new, and it cost a dollar. That's really fucking cool. I I walked away from the viewing at two original Monopoly board games with a heart. Now a heart is coveted from me because that means I don't care about how anybody or I or how this is viewed or how polished it is.

I will watch this again. Yeah. For whatever reason, it tugs at me in a way. So you saying five makes per and me saying two. The five still makes sense.

Yeah. Adds up. Okay. We did it. We are going in with a two with a heart and a fucking sneaking right up from behind you, five.

Holy fucking shit. Okay. I was gonna say two, but I didn't. I surprised you. I'm a sweet old lady that wouldn't do anybody any harm, and I'm just gonna give you all these hugs and take care of you.

And wait. What's that? I have a machete? I killed everybody? Wait.

What? She is wearing a blue sweater. So just like missus Voorhees. Here we go. Start the movie.

Shut the hell, Ruby. And now It's 1958. We hear this cabin song. We go through this POV. And this counselor sex murder, all this stuff is happening very fast.

Mhmm. Yes? Yes. Okay. And the establishing of the POV is great.

The titles with the glass breaking are great. But here's my thing, Rachel. Friday the thirteenth, June eighty, June of eighty. Forty five years. So happy 70 birthday, Jason.

Hey, girl. Whose birthday is 06/13/1946? Uh-oh. Is that what they say? Maybe.

That's actually a Thursday. Shit. Some lawyer says that No. No. No.

It's okay. It's okay. It's okay because, leap years. Leap years. Okay.

So I looked this up. I went fucking hard in the paint on this, my friend. Like, I where I was like, how many Friday the thirteenth have happened in the last hundred years, and what days were they? And if it would please the court, I just like to say, you're not supposed to do that with camp. You're not supposed to fact check.

Zero. I was I was like, how close are we to Jason's birthday? And I got because I love Friday the thirteenth in general, movies in life, the whole thing. But some of the lore, I guess, Pamela Voorhees alludes to his birthday being 06/13/1944 For me? Which is a Tuesday.

It was Tuesday. And that is the date of the Battle of Bloody Gulch, if you remember Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, things of this nature. The only Friday the thirteenth that year was in October. So, basically, we would have to work out that Jason's year of birth is '47 or '41. So probably '47.

But isn't he sort of like the undead? This is the thing that is fucking cool about this movie. K. It is a mildly grounded, very approachable movie about a woman with a broken brain, a smooth brain. And No bumps.

And she loses it because her son is dead. Yes. And at the end of the movie, they're just like, fuck you, and they go full bore supernatural. And I You guys did. I love that.

I think it's It's tragic. I kind of that's another reason why five out of five. It's because it's this camp movie that's our goal. Our only goal with this film is jump scares. And it's like, how how do we do this with jump scares?

How do we trick the audience? Have you ever watched the television show? I'm sure all of your audience members have. Both of them. You yeah.

Easily. The prisoner. Prisoner. And the prisoner was this really famous tell like, it was really popular television show, British television show. And it had rules.

It had rules. You couldn't break the rules. There was all of these narrative rules that the series developed. And then the last episode, Patrick McEwen broke all of the rules. And he actually had to go into hiding afterwards and, like, move to America because the Brits were so mad at him.

Woah. And I love that about this film because everything about this film was truly this is a human killing humans. This is there's no haunting. There's no curse. It's all just it's all just this.

It's sure. Sure. Sure. It's based off of Friday the thirteenth, and that's spooky, but it's just an angry mom. And at the very end, it's just like, never mind.

He's undead. Well, I love that's what I love about it. And it's the thing is I really dislike those later movies in this franchise. Like, if you said you've seen some of the later ones. Did you ever see Jason Goes to Hell?

I've dreamt about it. I used to do this thing when I was a little kid where I just go to the horror section and just cause I couldn't read what they were saying. I just, like, stare at that cover. Be like Oh, it because it's like snakes and fire and Little snake going through a ski mask. Well, and it's like a terrible movie, but it does this thing, and Halloween does this too with Cult of Thorn.

And this movie does this with the Voorhees family curse where it's like, no. The death curse on Camp Crystal Lake was, like, enacted when he died. Like, something supernatural happened. They start they try to retcon and explain it through all these movies, and it changes, and it moves around. There was a TV series that happened in the same point for a couple years that had nothing to do with these movies.

Mhmm. And so it's all so muddied, and that's part of what I love is at the end of this movie. It's like, we welcome everyone and everything and all points of view and, like, just fuck it. Fuck it. I love that.

I I really love that. I don't think it was actually there was something about and I'd have to actually do my research again, but there was something about the the guy that wrote it that wasn't in the original script, and they didn't even really want it in the, like, the original movie. But Paramount was just like, we need an extra thing here. Add something else. And they're like, oh, okay.

Here. Have this. I I'm almost sure you're right because I feel like I've heard that story or stories that are very similar about that being a thing where they're like, this. That's just how it went. You know what was really interesting to me too because you really didn't like the acting, but I also I really did like the act.

Okay. Some I do. Can I put words in your mouth? I'm sorry. No.

Some I do. Some I don't. Some I do. There was something very it it meant to be sexualized. Obviously, it meant to be, like, a sexualized film.

It's a gratuitous movie. But there was so, like, not. The kids in the film were so sweet and so goofy and so nice. And even there was a moment where, like, he pretends that he's drowning, so the girl will kiss him. And that's, like, that's from that's a sand lot.

And then Right. And they're all, like, running around in their underwear the whole time. But there's, like, at this moment, I'm like, this isn't over sexualized. These are a bunch of kids just being goofy and running around in their underwear. There's something so it it had the guise of being over sexualized.

But as I was watching it, I didn't feel like it was being over like, if you watch Halloween, the girl getting stuck in the window feels really weird, and there's a lot of sexualization. I feel this movie is gratuitous, but it's not salacious. Yeah. I feel Halloween is very much trying to demonize Michael Myers' desires or desires that are reflected through Michael Myers on society about sex or underage sex or what like, it's more menacing and more more salacious in various types of ways. However, we wanna break this down and what nuance we wanna add to it.

But I agree with you. Overall, like, it's gratuitous, but it feels there is a silliness to it. So it doesn't bug me. I didn't find myself I do this a lot with movies where I'm like, how old are these fucking kids supposed to be? Yeah.

What the fuck is going on here? Yeah. And I didn't really find myself doing that at all during this movie. I felt yeah. I felt like they were acting like kids, and they're being really sweet like kids.

Sure. I agree with that. Like, help me with this thing. And they're like, oh, yeah. Sure.

We'll help you. And they're just being goofy. Oh, your friend, little kid. I agree with that for the most part. The thing that you were saying about Sandlot where it's like that kid, I forget I'm forgetting the I thought so.

Glasses and the teeth. Yeah. He, in that movie, is like, how old are those kids? Nine, 10? Yeah.

How old are the kids in this movie? Like, 18, 19, probably. 18, 19. That kid shoots a fucking arrow at a girl. Oh, yeah.

He he faints his own death. Like Like, that kid's a shithead. That but that was so like, that you know that kid. That was so authentic to I've I know three or four of those kids growing up. I knew that kid for sure.

And you just and then he's, like, by himself at the end, and you're like, of course, he's, like, by himself at the end. You just feel bad for him. And I liked how they they didn't show him getting murdered because the They did a lot of owner. They did it off a lot of those off screen Like and reveal them through the act. Like, what happened to them?

Yeah. And there's a level, I agree with you, of it. There's a part of it that feels a little bit like, okay. This is, like, a low budget movie. Mhmm.

Like, this is what it is. Oh, let's grab my head as I'm thinking. Like, I love that. And in and some other movies do this too. Are the reveals of what happened to those people, like, satisfying?

Does it get your mind going? A 100%, it does. Yeah. So it's still effective in its mission regardless of the price. Like, you're hitting me with some things, Rachel, already here early on.

You're talking about the likability of a lot of these kids and the likability you're talking about likability of of performances or performances that I enjoy is maybe a better way to put it. I like Bacon. I like Bacon's girlfriend is great. The woman who works at the diner is one of my favorite actors of all time. Like, when she realizes she gets a tip and her, like, she's like, oh.

Like, she I was just like, oh. Night on the town. Like, she's such a flirt. She's and a lot of the the acting in this that's really, really natural or really natural or really over the top, like the town crazy guy or whatever, a lot of that's really, really enjoyable. I really like Annie.

Oh, I'm really, really, man. I feel so bad for Annie as she seems to have this really real world grounded approach and not afraid to speak her mind about things. And, like, I like her very much. Mhmm. Like, pretty much immediately.

And we've established the mustachio guy as the red herring. Yeah. I almost always forget about that. I've probably seen this movie five times. He's the red herring.

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Oh, no. I was just and just wait. I we were talking about Annie, but just to confirm, Annie is the girl at the beginning who's hitchhiking? Yeah. And she takes a ride in the Jeep, and she she says, when you've had a dream as long as I have, you'll do anything.

And I'm like, you're like fucking 15. How long have you had that dream? Forty five minutes? She's a child actor, and she's been doing it for a while. But, like Maybe.

But she says that in the movie about helping kids or something, and it's like, how long have you had this dream? You're supposed to be, like, a really good chef. Like, how long have you been cooking for people professionally? Do we need to get some, like, union issues? Eight months.

Yeah. But that was, like, that's a sweet thing too is that's exactly what kids people have been like, I've been doing this for a while. I know my way around things. You're like, but you're 17. And they're like, yeah.

You're like, yeah. A kid would say that. That's cool. I like that. I don't disagree.

I also love how they set her up. You think that she's gonna be a final girl. Is she I do. I I agree with you. I think if that stunt that she does jumping out of the Jeep, which is clearly her, like, kudos to her, and the throat cut, which Tom Savini Oh my god.

Makeup legend, so much of this that shit holds up super well in this movie. Part of that was also really cool about the film was how gentle they were about killing some people. Like, we're not gonna watch the girl get shot with the arrow. We're not gonna watch the the sweetheart boy, like, get pummeled, after he, like, turns the generator on. There's peep the little loner boy, we're not gonna see him die.

But then the people that are, like, we do have to do the special effects at some point. Right. Kevin Bacon's throat. Oh. Oh.

Tough to watch. I turned my head. Oh, like, that It's still good. Budget. On a tight, tight budget.

On a no budget. And then you also you also have them, like, foreshadowing the machete being used to chop something up of this, like, rubber snake. They're like, how do we get this snakes out? And I'm like, I'm just yelling, charmit. Charmit.

Charmit. Rub its belly. You can play a flute. No. Actually, that's really sad.

And I would actually take my chopped off oh, foreshadowing. Chopped off mother's heads down a notch because I found out that that was actually a real snake that they killed. Oh, fuck. I know. I thought it's there was a part of me that was like, was there an edit there?

And I'm I didn't run it back or what. That's too bad. Yeah. That's sad. There's no need for that snake to die.

It was a it was quite a beautiful snake, to be honest with you Yeah. In my opinion. I also something about the budget of this movie, this is where part of it earns the heart that I give it. My heart is a badge of honor. It's earned.

But when the cop shows up and he's like, any of you guys smoking the green, getting high, doing grass, and it's like they bought, like, address numbers for a mailbox Mhmm. Or for an address and just threw it on somebody's motorcycle and had them turn on the emergency flashers. Mhmm. They're like, that guy's a cop. Says police.

See there? Definitely a cop. And that's what caught him. He stopped Ned from Ned's cultural appropriation. He's a good cop.

There was so much of him. What is it? The, when Wayne and Garth meet up with, the police officer, police officer, what's his face? That's like Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I know who you're talking about. Koharski? Yes.

Koharski. And they're just like, yeah. That's that's them making fun of this cop. I think it's two chimps down in Davenport in a basement. Pig oink oink police officer.

Anybody smell bacon? I smell bacon. What I was gonna say to that too, which I just loved, was that guy definitely did his own stunts and definitely almost biffed it really hard twice doing his, like, exit. He had to go down the hill. He almost biffed it, and then he went up the hill and they cut him as he was driving, like, off the road.

And you're like, I don't think that ended well for that man. They cut yeah. They cut it to the kids or whatever. Right? Yeah.

They cut it back. That's funny. I've never thought of it that way. I've never, like, seen it that way or any of my I don't know. This is another thing the movie does, though.

It's, like, powers out, powers out, powers out. Oh, it's dark. Kinda it gets very repetitive with some stuff. I mean, we get we get a nice little romance here with a side of bacon. Yep.

Although, like, this Bacon has got a an extra murder pretty soon. This explanation of the dream with the raining blood and everything, that's actually one of my favorite little Ugh. Moments of the movie. So pure like, so honest. So, like, I just loved it.

The writing of that was so good because I love those things where it's just, like, that's not something a script would say. That's something a human would say. And it's very sincerely delivered. And sincerely, Kevin Bacon takes it. He does.

I'm so charmed by you telling me that weird story, fear of yours. Can you tell this guy's gonna go somewhere with this acting thing if he keeps up with it? Because I definitely feel it in this in this one performance. He's gotta just, you know, put his what is it? The your head to the grindstone or something?

Put your brain to the grindstone to smooth it. Well, like or or maybe, like, cause a few more grooves. And Change change the racetrack. Yeah. I think, you know, I think he's got a future in the biz.

He could. I I just felt that already, like, in this movie. I'm like, oh, this guy's clearly Good. If he wants to do this, he's going places. I just feel that in his performance and just sometimes I'm like, when Kevvie's not on screen, I'm asking myself, where's Kevvie?

Hope he's okay. I don't know how long that's okay. Are you a monopoly person at all? I hate monopoly. I love it.

It only takes three or four hours. It depends on whom you play with and if they play by tournament rules or or not. Because it's easy for it to take three or four hours. Tournament monopoly? I have played competitively Wow.

In my life. Wow. I love to, you know, go bunny mode. Three or four hours, you can be done with a game of Monopoly. You really can.

My manager loves Monopoly. Oh, this is good to know. Yeah. It's hard to find people to play with. Well, there you go.

They're terrible. I don't care for the stripping aspect. No. No. I don't care for that.

I mean, I care for the game. Also that. I also really like that because I love that they were doing that. And then she's like, oh, my window's open. Oh, well.

And then she just, like, walks. She puts a it's so cute. And so she's just a little bit She just puts her rain jacket on so she won't get wet and just, like, walks out in her underwear. And you're just, like and then everybody's just kinda hanging out in their underwear. And I think it's just, like, so sweet.

It's so goo it's it's like the Kevin Bacon sex scene where there's, like, a cut to her, like, squeezing his butt a tiny bit. Yeah. And And, like, he he's, like, like, doing, like, a modesty thing where he's holding her boob. Yeah. And it just feels like they're like, you were saying, like, a level of sweetness or, like, thoughtfulness that never really hit me like it has this time.

And I wanna say as much as I don't love the lighting for this movie, this was the time I watched this movie, and I was like, I fucking love the photography of this movie. Yeah. I love the placement of the camera, the way the camera tracks. Yeah. One of my favorite I'm watching the movie, and they're doing the shot of kind of from behind the light bulb going down Mhmm.

When the power goes out. And I'm like, this movie's really fucking pretty sometimes. Yeah. Really good. The environment's really pretty, especially during the day.

Thanks, New Jersey. Right? It was a truck. No doubt. Yeah.

But, hey, Ned's dead, baby. Ned's dead. And bacon gets speared just for chilling out and cooling, and that's one of the things I like about this as you were saying. If you're a sweet, nice kid or whatever, you're gonna be fine. But if you have sex, if you smoke a joint, if you Mhmm.

Kind of question or defy authority, kind of what Annie does to a degree, Like, these sorts of things, you if you're Ned and you're just a general fucking little hell raiser, this entry's Dennis the Menace, you're gonna have problems. And that's why it was so heartbreaking because these kids are technically doing all the things that other horror film movies are, like, gratuitous. The sex would have been loud and, like, weird Mhmm. And fake and kind of pornographic. And this was just like, no.

These two kids, like, having sex together, and it's normal, but that's bad. And, like, these kids are smoking, and that's bad. But they're not everything that they're doing, like, running around naked, that's bad. But everything that they're doing, you realize, is just kids being kids. Well, other than Kevin Bacon and his girlfriend having sick sex and him lighting up a joint, the kids that were playing monopoly, like you said, when it starts to get well, yeah, they're drinking.

And when it starts to get a little too salacious, the one girl's like, I'm gonna get out of here so fast. I'm not even gonna put my clothes on. Yeah. Bye. And then she gets an ax to the face.

Yeah. Because she was drinking and was definitely thinking sexual thoughts. I mean, does missus Voorhees, does she have some sort of ESP at all? Do you think? Yeah.

100%. But that's, like, kinda my argument to the point why I love the movie so much is that, like, in all of these if we go to, like, Scream and the guy's explaining, like like, what final girl is and this scream. Okay. But they're, like, exposed to it. Like, they all kinda make the kids do, like, oh, you had sex.

And the sex is always salacious. Or you did drugs, and, like, you're you're getting wasted. Like, you're falling out of, like, whatever. With these other movies, it is salacious. With this, it's kind of showing you, like, yeah.

Kids do this, and kids are still kids. These are sweet kids. Even the annoying little brat. Right. Like, even Ned.

I guess it's just, like, some of the things are happening a little bit slowly. Like, it's, like, oh, yeah. Mustache guy. Mustache guy's back. He's coming back.

He's kind of a weirdo. He, like, rubbed this girl's he's the he rubbed this girl's face, and he's like, babes in every sense of the word. You know what I mean? And Mm-mm. All this other stuff.

But, like, you know, the stalking of the the counselors and some of the the jump scare fakeouts I love it. Like, it's getting a little bit tired. I know I'm supposed to be looking forward to kills and makeup effects. Mhmm. I I don't know if I can like or dislike these counselors anymore or any of the characters that I've met.

And I I guess the big thing for me is there's about forty minutes to go here of movie. Like, we're about halfway through the movie, and I know, like, we I'm not some professional writer or anything, and we talk about this, like, armchair quarterbacks or whatever, but it's like it just feels like the movie the assembly of the the assembly of the movie, I don't know what it is. It's just it feels slow. Maybe it's just because, you know, now it's 2025 and this was 1980. It's just a different time.

So hard to say. Like, I feel it's like Halloween that we've talked about a few times holds tension so well. Okay. So I disagree with you there. Okay.

I do think Halloween holds tension really well. I listening to the score of this film as we're just watching it and listening to, like, the girl that gets shot in the the archery area, we don't see it, which I think is great. But the score does, like, the. So you think she's about to get it, and then you think that she's about to get it. And it's like everything about this movie is scary.

And the handheld camera makes it look like when the guy's refilling the generator that somebody's walking up behind him. But then the camera just turns around to face him, and you're like, oh, there wasn't anybody there. Oh, it's just the genius that it's a handheld camera, so we don't know when it's somebody's stalking somebody and when it's just the camera. And I I just feel like all of that stuff is so if you could imagine yourself watching it in a movie theater, not being very used to handheld camera, not being used to that form of format of jump scare, not expecting that level of special effects makeup. It it seems slow now because we've we've been educated by all of it at this point.

But watching it as someone that is like, oh, this is new format. I get what you're saying. Absolutely. And I don't disagree with you. And I've seen this movie in the theater, but to the point you're making and what we're talking about, I saw this movie in the theater a handful of years ago, not in 1980.

And I guess the main thing that's difficult for me or that, like, I can't really do is, like, I can't put my con myself in the context of 1980 or whatnot. Like, it does the movie is not so immersive for me Yeah. That I let some of the other things, like or I shouldn't say let. That That some of the other things just end up, like, either washing over me or I'm just, like, kind of in the world or whatever whatever is happening for some folks or what like, there's a a level of oh, I kinda I can telegraph some of this. Even if I hadn't seen it and I had seen a lot of what I'd already seen in life and came into this movie, there'd be, like you know, it's in the one, I think, where, like, a cat jumps out of somewhere, and you're like, oh, that's gonna be a cat or that's gonna be a dead or that's not gonna be anybody or etcetera, etcetera.

And so I guess, like, part of me has just been desensitized or deprogrammed or reprogrammed or whatever it is in terms of and that's not to say that the movie is not inventive. That's the thing that the big thing I wanna reinforce that we're both saying is that the camerawork in this movie, despite a few things existing here or there for little moments or periods of time or however they they use it. The the camerawork in the movie is super, super inventive and really, really cool. I'm gonna get back to the movie here. What mustache guy is dead.

That red herring is gone. So if anybody thought it was gonna be, Ned the punk kid or creepy mustache guy, it's not them because they're dead. So of the people that me. Met, it wasn't them. And Bill goes it alone, and he gets, you know, axed off camera.

And Alice makes coffee because she wants to stay up or whatever. Mhmm. And this is when she starts to uncover all these deaths that have happened, and we see people with arrows in them and axed faces and all this other shit and starts taking measures to protect herself and barricading doors and all this other shit and then a jeep arrives and she's like, okay, I'm good and just runs outside. And no, no, no, because she thinks She thinks it's mustache guy. She thinks it's mustache guy.

Right. And we as the audience members, like, just be like, it's not him. He's dead. And we think and this is what I also loved about this movie. You're like, oh, it's gonna be somebody scary.

I just know it. And then it's, like Right. A mom in a sweater shows up. And this is what I love. Yeah.

The reversal of the film. Yeah. Because it becomes that in Halloween, Jamie Lee Curtis, she is a final even though she is the final girl of all final girls and women, Eventually, she becomes this, like, legend of a final woman. She kept dropping the knife. This kid, it's like, I'm scared.

I'm scared. I'm scared. There's all these jump scares. I'm exhausted. I'm so terrified throughout watching this entire film.

And then all of a sudden, this grandmother shows up. And then I'm just I go from thinking, oh my gosh. This demon or whoever this person is obviously a dude is is gonna kill everybody and just gonna kill her, and I don't think that she's gonna make it. And then all of a sudden, it becomes a grandma, and I think to myself, oh, she has a chance. Okay.

I get that. Beautiful final girl moment because suddenly it goes from there's no way she's gonna survive this to she might survive this. She might be able to fight. Yeah. Because I immediately like, when she comes barreling out and she thinks it's mustache guy or whatever, I'm like, well, I don't know what her survival skills are, but, like, that's the thing.

You make a really good point that I had forgotten where it's just a thing where it's like, I cannot remove the fact that I know that this character that's totally fucking random that I've never met, don't know what her purpose is or whatever. And she comes and gives me the fucking the whole timeline. Mhmm. Everything. My husband was this person.

My son was this person. This happened, and this is she tells me everything. And it's like, oh, okay. This is clearly the person, and I like that there's not, like, a game from there where it's like, no. This lady's fucking crazy.

And the movie starts hitting more of, like, oh, this is psycho more than it is Halloween. Oh, a 100%. Where it's like, all these people are getting killed. We don't know who it is, and we think it's the mom. And it's not the mom.

It's really the son. And in this case, we think girl that we thought was gonna be a final girl gets killed off at the very beginning of the movie. Right. Franco. So okay.

I'm so glad I hit that with you. Like, because, like, I was like, oh my god. This is hitting me harder that this is psycho more than anything else than it ever really has. When missus Voorhees losing it is losing it and does the voice, that's when it really hits me that it's like the Norman Bates thing where it's like mother mother and, like, mother killer mother killer. Mother killer.

Thing, which is great. And Betsy Palmer's great. It was such a good casting. Love the sweater. I almost gave the sweaters.

But missus Voorhees finds Alice in the woods immediately. And this fight in this little cabin or auxiliary room or whatever is fucking, it's hilarious and dopey. And when she throws the ball of twine at her, I lost it. I was like, you're not gonna throw the coffee can. It's like, I don't wanna hurt I don't wanna hurt this lady, and I understand it's a more innocent person.

It's a more innocent time. She doesn't wanna hurt this lady. She doesn't wanna feel responsible for it. I understand all of it, but I'm like, there's a level of it's like, oh, you hit her in the forearm with that ball of twine. Brutal.

No. It's it's more like a this is a little bit your fight or flight kicks in, I think, at some point. And I think it by this point, you're not throwing balls of twine at people. And so it's like that's that's the heart versus the star. I think there's a level of stupidity.

So there's this thing where we're like, these kids aren't smart. And you're just like, oh, she's got it. You said it. Kids in Springfield are so big. Think that she might not be able to make it because there's a stupidity aspect here.

Like, she's gotta be the audience is being has to say that. The audience has to tell. Get out the front door. Get out the front door. Yeah.

Yeah. I get what you're saying. Why are you throwing thread at her? Why are you throwing thread at her? Okay.

Okay. And that's somebody knowing their audience being very mad at that moment because it should be so convenient for her. She's in a room full of guns. She's in a room full of guns. It's insane.

Why not hit her with a gun? It feels it feels budgety. It feels to a degree, like, you're doing such a fucking great job of making pieces fit and making this puzzle maybe even more beautiful than it is, which is what you're supposed to be doing. That's the point of this podcast. Like, you're a 100%.

Wow. You're really it's like you've been here before. You've done this before. You've met before. I love your rodeo or camp trip.

It is interesting that it's a level of, like, again, like, I don't wanna hurt this person. Like, this person's a killer and, you know, that she for whatever reason, she's not able to, like, leave her body and protect herself or whatever it is, which is an interesting thought. But the again, there's more of this, like, fighting that feels, like, clunky and weird where it's like somebody would have been, like, probably hurt in a way by accident by now. Yeah. And again, goddamn it.

It's hitting me, like, to your point. Yeah. Because the movie is about to go, like, whatever. Like, none of this should be believable anyway. So we're gonna make it unbelievable, but this is also the moment, Rachel, your rating system here.

Right? Yeah. After the fight. Yeah. The Harry Manfredini score is so fucking great.

You were mentioning it too where it's like I think it's the one of the movies that has the most effectiveness of using music to make me feel or lead me along or slow me down or, like, speed me up. Yeah. Truly. Truly. Beautiful.

Something that I wanna mention. Oh, I had to look up The Shining, like, when The Shining was released because of the axe and the door scene. Because what an iconic scene. What an iconic moment because you think she left, they don't really leave. She checks the door, and then she starts acting her way through.

And it's mother and father. And, oh my god, they were released at the same time. Same mother can occupy some space. Oh. And so you have to realize, like, there is a level of brilliance in the cinematography.

Full supernatural. Full supernatural. Full supernatural movie. Happy Friday the thirteenth, motherfuckers. It's Tony.

We we've come to the end of the movie here. K. Is there anything you wanna say about the movie that we missed? I thought we've gone over it really well. Ned's dead, baby.

Ned's dead. Too. There's one little aspect we were talking a while ago, and I'll just retreat on. Going and seeing this in the theater and seeing and it's so hard to see it for what it was at the time, I think. Mhmm.

But the movie Wait Until Dark with Audrey Hepburn. When you when you start the movie on a DVD or whatever, there's a beginning that's meant for the theater audiences. And it says, specifically, it asked the theater audiences to please put out their lighters and cigarettes for the duration of the film for a desired effect. A different time, a better time. Because because because everybody's smoking, but they wanted it to be completely dark by the time everybody basically because they wanted you to feel blind like Audrey did.

Like Audrey Hepburn. At that jump scare. At that specific jump scare. And I know that. Yeah.

So that's, like, that's sort of, like, all of these things with this film are meant to be, like, what we're saying. Like, why is she throwing spool at her? Like, because, like, the audience is supposed to be screaming at her. Why is it handheld? Because we're as the audience is not supposed to know when the person is lurking and when it's just the camera.

There's so much, functionality in this room. I think there is a level of, if this is true, what else is true? It's like, this is more psycho than it is Halloween or Last House on the left or Truly. The hillside vine or any spit on your grave. Somebody loved it.

And and I think, like you were saying, there there's maybe a little more intentionality with some of the psychology, not only of the characters, but with the the way that it shot, not only the handheld stuff, but we were tie where you were talking about. It's like, yeah. He's, like, hiding her boob. And, like, you see this angle of, like you know, I said, like, she she, like, squeezes his butt real quick, or there's this push that this happens at this point or what. The cameras and the music are just doing so much of the work, and that's what you need Mhmm.

A budget movie. It sucks that the lighting for me is, like, it's hard, and you're like, no. But it's cool because it's like, you know, it's like a white dot in the distance. And Mhmm. There is a level of truth to that too.

But interesting. What a crazy, like, mixed bag, and, like, thank you for opening my eyes. I wanna say one other thing about the movie. Fun fact. Kill not.

Kill, kick. One last fun fact that I had that I just already forgotten that's gonna drive me crazy. Classic. Crap. Crap.

Oh oh, one I will give to you because I'm like, this movie is cinematic genius. It's not. There there's an editing mistake that they couldn't fix, and that is the tell riddle me this, Batman. Oh. The the scene at the end, that kid never got the generator working correct because he died.

He got the whole Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden, when she runs back to the cottage and is trying to hide from her right before she goes in and hides in the the dry storage room and gets the shining ax situation, she turns off all the lights. Oops.

Oh, I'd have to rewatch it to remember, but I'm gonna take your word for it. She does. She, like, turns off all the lights and checks the windows and turns them off. And I'm like, wait a Weirdly not a per wow. You gave this five stars?

Yeah. His birthday might not have been on a Friday the thirteenth, and the lights were already oh, god damn it. I'm a fan of continuity here. Shit. Oh oh, that's a shining reference.

That's a shining reference. Stanley Kubrick famously would really not care about continuity. He really hated it. He was just like, nobody freaking cares about continuity. I don't care.

There'll be different objects that are of importance in his films, and there'll be, like, different things. And you'll just be like you won't notice it because it's In the same place or whatever. Yeah. That something else was. Yeah.

Oh, boy. Rachel? I care about continuity and continuation. He didn't care. Stanley, maybe I cared.

We both loved white men can't jump. Okay? So you rated this a five. I feel like maybe I should go No. You go Okay.

This is outside of what you said. Some of the the Twin's Peaks inspiration, the Psycho inspiration Mhmm. Some of the things that landed a little harder than they had before, and what we're talking about about the visual storytelling and some of the sincerity of the performances, I think, landed on me a little harder, and you definitely helped walk me through some of those feelings. So thank you. You're welcome.

Oh, I know I mentioned the situation about the mom not being able to unremember that it's like, yeah. It's the mom who I hadn't met or known that they existed before or anything. And, yeah, that I forget entirely about the 1958 thing. I think during every viewing that I totally forget that that scene happened when we get to the end of the movie. And then she's like, oh, yeah.

By the way, remember this? I'm like, oh, yeah. Bringing it back. And that is really good. And kind of the idea that after the twist ending where Jason jumps out from the boat and she wakes up in the hospital that we somehow forgot to literally mention.

But these are all, like, tied together. The death curse is the is the Voorhees, and the the movie goes full on supernatural. And it's it's kind of fun that that's the way the eighties started to go with, like, Poltergeist and Nightmare and Elm Street and some of that stuff. And the Halloween franchise starts to go that way. And so it clearly has a level of some sort of influence.

And the movie doesn't go really crazy supernatural, crazy crazy supernatural until probably six, but it's not that four and some others don't. You have made some really, really excellent points Thank you. That I really cannot argue against. The heart is gonna stay. K.

I'm clicking three monopolies. Yes. Yes. Yes. This is I mean, especially considering the budget and the ingenuity, do I like the am I a fan of the execution of absolutely everything or character?

Not necessarily. No. But, absolutely, I I think this is a good, good movie. And it's too bad that it's in this weird whole development fight. Yeah.

I am actually probably gonna go down a notch and give it, four chopped off snakeheads because I forgot about that moment. And, I don't know, cruelty is pretty strong on my list of no no's. And then and then the other thing is that continuity error. It wasn't just a continuity error. It actually was a pretty big error because she wakes up.

She thinks the light's on, and then she looks at just her lamp, and she gets mad and she show she goes and checks on the generator. So I might be wrong there. And if I am, I'm sorry. Well, so much revolves around this generator that it's like, this thing hasn't been run for, like, twenty years or did okay. Maybe it got cleaned and I just didn't see it.

I don't know what the fuck. It seemed like they all assembled and then showed up at the camp and started to clean it and put it together. Yeah. And maybe somebody cleaned the generator. I don't know.

Continuity. Sorry. I interrupted you. No. That's it.

Like, I'm gonna put it down to four. Not and and you're gonna bring it up to three. We both changed each other's minds. Wow. I think I was being maybe a little harsh.

Mhmm. And maybe, like I said, I think there was something about this movie that, like, I think it's really cool that it kind of swept you away for this viewing. Mhmm. I I think there was a lot of things that not only you fought really well and valiantly for, but like me with alien three that I was like, no. You listen to me.

You don't understand the intentionality. I think if ever I meet again David Fincher, I'm just gonna Oh, is it gonna say the xenomorph? Again? No. If ever I meet David Fincher, I'm gonna be like, hey.

I'm sorry. That movie changed my DNA. Like, I don't alien three. I think we've talked we both love this movie. Right?

I love it. It changed the way that I I saw everything as a like a kid. It's really dark. It's really banal and all this other stuff. I just I'm a we're gonna take a moment here.

Sorry to keep you audience. Sorry. It's on the horror theme. Okay? But for Ripley to essentially be like, existence has been hell for me.

The one shot I thought I had at a life just got taken from me. Existence is hell. You're lying to me. I just wanna die, and I want this thing to die with me. I was just like, fucking awesome.

So awesome. Gets autonomy. She is she Yes. She fights she's a final girl that fights for autonomy, and she freaking wins. It's so good.

That she gets hers. Electronica. Oh. So I'm so many ones and zeros right now. Well, a continuation of your regularly scheduled program.

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We have to thank Jamie Henwood for our opening and closing themes. Matthew Foskett for our what you've been doing and what are we watching themes. Our interstitials are Ben. And our fun fact theme is Chris Olds. Thank you for coming Rachel to the rapid fire.

Yes. And I'll go real apologies real quick. I'm pretty sure that, like, my microphone was, like, rubbing and doing Oh, now it is. Time. Okay.

Great. I'm really sorry. Rachel, you're the best. Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning in.

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