YCR 7 - Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade / Ben's Bday 3 How Can It Be? (Guest: Damian Peterson)

For this very special BIRTHDAY EDITION of "You Choose the Review," for "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade," (d. Spielberg 1989) Ben's invited the most excellent Damian Peterson to the party, and he's got a two day head start on recording, which is more than he needs. Damian's got friends on audio and video podcasts from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again...or at all, cause it's an audio podcast. Maybe we can convince him to come back for the holidays?? 6/28!

**All episodes contain explicit language**
Artwork - Ben McFadden
Review Review Intro/Outro Theme - Jamie Henwood
"What Are We Watching" & "Whatcha been up to?" Themes - Matthew Fosket
"Fun Facts" Theme - Chris Olds/Paul Root
Lead-Ins Edited/Conceptualized by - Ben McFadden
Produced by - Ben McFadden & Paul Root
Concept - Paul Root

Transcript

Baseball. But it just gonna keep zooming until we're in Baseball. My face. Baseball. Hey, Ben.

Hey, Paul. How are you? It's it's been a while. It's been a while. I'm back.

We're back. They don't know that. They don't know that. They don't know that I've been off gallivanting with my father in Alexander, Russia. Happy birthday.

Thank you. Big old three 03/09. Will you do me a favor? As I'm only but 14, will you tell the people what this is and what the fuck we're doing here? I think it's two chips on the damn important of faces.

Why? Of course. Welcome to the review review. This is a movie podcast. So if you enjoy movies, you are in the right place.

I am one of the hosts of this podcast. My name is Ben. I am the other regular not that others are irregular or anything is different. I'm just here I'm here frequently. I am a cohost also.

My name is Paul. And on this program, we like to have a guest. Normally, that guest brings us a movie. We will then all watch that movie separately and come in with a, rating out of five. We get that rating from Letterboxd.

You can follow me on Letterboxd at run b m c. You can follow Paul at Paul acts badly. He's taking a drink. We will then discuss fucking birthday. So I get to fucking pick whatever I want.

Kind of. But I didn't get to pick my guest. I picked four movies, and they were put out as a poll. And this one, hands down, Indiana Jones and Last Crusade won over Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, In Bruges, and Beetlejuice. So those are, you know, solid other options.

Although, Eternal Sunshine had, I think, like, no votes. It did not have a great showing, and I like to say, I love when hands go down my poll. But as we discussed in the room before this, we don't have to take every joke opportunity. We don't have to do it. We did.

And we discussed that with who I chose to be a guest on this program for this movie for my birthday, and that is my good friend, Damian Peterson. Ben, Ben, open the open the box. Open the box, Ben. Your birthday. Unwrap it and open the box.

Okay. Let me just Tear it. Yep. You gotta be quicker than that. Okay.

Sorry. You're losing air. Oh, Ben. Happy birthday, my friend. Did you mail yourself to me?

Yes. I've been in this box for two weeks. I've sent to the Mox brothers. I thought it was gonna be either Connery. Wife's head.

A dick or transformers revenge of the fallen. Thank goodness. Yeah. It was just, apparently, it was just a dick. Damien, it's so good to meet you.

Thank you very much. I'm glad you can see me for who I am. Damien and I go in the Wayback Machine. Great. We, toured Shakespeare together and spent many a time in a van, in a hotel room, in a kid's bedroom, in someone's house.

I'm sorry? That's a that's an editable That's an edit. Yeah. That's an edit. Comment.

But most of that was pretty accurate. Yeah. And we also did Shakespeare. Yeah. Yep.

That too. From that. I witnessed a high school girl ask Damien to marry her. Oh, you're frightened. Yeah.

That was a very funny moment. Wow. I feel like I feel like this this is all incriminating information, but I I promise that They asked you. You. You did say no.

Who knows? Like, just enchanted by you, charmed by you? He played Romeo. That's what I assume. There you go.

There you go. To be fair, not well. But You but that's the thing is, like, audience, you can't see the video, but, like, yes. Of course, you played Romeo. Of course, there was come on.

Hold. You can't grease the guests in this place. You know? So Damien, tell these fine people about yourself. About well, I'm I'm probably one of the few recovered actors that comes on this podcast.

So We've had we've had a fair amount. Yeah. I guess your brother's been on and a a few other people. But as Ben said, we we met doing theater, and I did theater when I was a young lad. And now I for a a large public university that I won't say what it is.

It's in Seattle. It's a public university. They have, like, football teams and things like that. Oh, yeah. Well, let's Yeah.

Let's just keep it a mystery for now. And I might focused on international studies. Very very fun stuff. So I see your your choices. God.

You did the thing that I did. That's the same thing that I did in a different way. And I just made the signal, like, I'll cut that. I'll cut that. And then you did it anyway.

I'd I just told him that I I appreciated his choices in life. Thank you. Thank you. No. But but, that is what I what I do.

Who I do is, that that's my secret. No. But and I I had an awesome two year old, and I spend most of my time trying to work in my yard when I can and bother Ben when I can. Play fantasy football? I have nothing to plug.

I mean, we could talk about my fantasy football teams, including Marcus Brody's Scrotie, which is literally one of my fantasy teams. So, thus, you you wonder why I was brought onto this, shit show and there you go. I'll tell you why I'm excited. Marcus Brody's Scrotie and going down the pole and the whole whole thing. Audience, we have a new song from Matthew Fosgate.

Why are you excited? We know why Damien is excited. Mostly this movie and Yes. Marcus, Brody. Like Fish my clap in it.

Ben. Yeah. I was almost gonna bora. Why are you excited? Almost?

He'll blend in, disappear. With any luck, he's got the grail already. Does that matter? Were English. Perhaps ancient Greek.

No no water piece. Fish make love in it. We're gonna big Lebowski our way through this for sure. One of the great cuts of all time is from It's that fucking incredible delivery by Harrison Ford to the incredible delivery by Denholm Elliott. Incredible.

It's comic timing to an absolute perfection. We're gonna do it as a clown. He's hilarious. Get into it, but it's an example of everything that this movie does. It does it nearly flawlessly.

Even if it's not groundbreaking new things, it's doing what it does and what Spielberg does just perfectly. But, anyways, we'll No. And almost everything intentionally. Yes. And It's crazy also too to know how Oh, wow.

What a thing. Back to back okay. Hold on. We're getting ahead of ourselves. We're getting Yeah.

What a thing. What a thing. I know. I know. I yeah.

This is just too good of a Let it go. Look at it. Let it, Ben, Let it go. Look at us. Yeah.

No. Giddy as a schoolboy. We're just gonna quote Why are you excited? Why are you excited? Outside of this movie and your birthday.

My show, the Time Machine, closes this weekend, sold out the last two shows, receiving crazy acclaim and reviews. It's been really awesome to be sharing this story and and getting such positive feedback and knee deep infringe for the last month. And, yeah, that that's kind of what's gotten me excited. We close on Saturday on my birthday. And so, yeah, this has been a really great year for me to say fuck it and make my make my yes, as they say.

And I think, like, Paul, you know, the struggles of being an actor down here, and I think the the ultimate decision for me was just like, I'm fucking tired of playing this rigmarole. I'm just gonna start making my own shit. Can I yum your yum? Yum it. Because I don't wanna yuck your yum.

No. Yum. I wanna yum it. I saw the time machine. I sent some feedback that if I could, I would go again.

But things Yeah. Are are in the way of that. But Ben and I were talking in the lobby before this. Yeah. But they're they're called lobbies.

Thank you. Okay. I feel it was like the waiting room of a strip club waiting to buy my vape. Would also yes. The waiting room of a strip club.

That's right. Waiting to buy my vape and go into the strip club. Seeing the time machine, I said to Ben, there's this level of Wonka or the black hole or I'll also say Rocky Horror because that episode is coming very soon. It's a really cool, good, wonderful, fun thing. Thank you.

Thank you. That's very sweet when you say thank you so much. I I do feel a little bit like Tony Stark made this in a cave with a bunch of scraps. You know? Yeah.

That was my that was my bridges, I think. Dope. He caught ourselves like that. Fucking alien. No.

Not at all. Anyway, let's go. But really, man, that that that that's so much work, man. That's so much work. It's it's amazing.

I'm so bummed I can't see it. I wish we I I'm I'm up in Seattle for the for the viewer or the listener. And, I'm really bummed that I No. They're watching. Viewers.

They're watching you right now. It's live. Oh. On the note of that apologize for the nipples. Thank you.

I mean, don't, though. What gauge is that? Is that a double zero? I have to get it off market. And is that, like, a knocker from a door?

Is that a door knocker? The knockers actually it's the knockers from Labyrinth. Bow Hey. And every once in a while, you'll hear one of my nipples say, mongle, mongle, mongle. That's pretty freaky, by the way.

Hey. I've been doing a lot of landscaping, and my back has been kinda fucked, but it's been getting better. What have people been watching? Damien, what have you been watching? I wanna know.

Tell me. We watch my my lovely wife, Shelby, and I watch a lot of TV. You talked about it recently, but we finally did a few seasons of Fargo, and the one with Juno Temple is fucking awesome. Yeah. We're actually we've been watching the studio, which I've enjoyed.

It's fun. And, like, I think they do a lot of cool interesting things, but it's like Fargo season five, it's it's it's so much of it. It's obviously, continually, playing homages to different Coen Brothers films, including the Fargo. But there's a number of them that it's that it's, you know, referencing. Yeah.

And it's so not masturbatory. Like, studio is so masturbatory a name, man. In a fun way, but very much, like, sometimes a little it's a lot. But I like it. But Fargo, I always say, like, my judgment of film or TV is not, is it good or bad?

Is it this or that? Or meeting my expectations, it's are we in good hands? And, ma'am, with that show, you're just always in good hands. Even when it's not getting it right, I feel like I'm being thrilled by it and I'm getting it right. I don't know.

Yeah. And so that's been really fun. Right now, honestly, we are watching two different seasons two different versions of Love Island, and that is, the priority and the love of my life at this moment. Okay. Happy to talk about that for the rest of the time.

UK or US, very different approaches we can take here. I love that. Ben. Yes. What you've been watching assuming you had any time.

I went and saw a friend show, which was called Oh, Fuck an Iceberg, a one woman Titanic. And she did a ninety minute one woman version of James Cameron's Titanic. That's amazing. That wasn't just Madcap lunacy, although it was that too. She had a half Jack, half Rose wig that was just beautiful.

Like, she just turned. And then she had mustaches, and she had hat bowler hats, and, would have a cane to be Billy Zane. Oh, Billy Zane. I was gonna say no Billy Zane? Where's Billy Zane?

Thank god. But she also tied it all together with her teenage diary, which started with the first entry after she saw Titanic and how much it became part of who she was, and then went on to connect it to, like, her parents' divorce and kinda made it this whole thing about, like, how we all have icebergs in our life that we don't expect. And it was actually really well structured and thought out and heartfelt and also hilarious. It sounds poignant. It was.

It was great. And then Jess and I watched Titanic one night because I hadn't seen it from forever. And I was like, now I wanna watch Titanic. And that movie is it. Movie stars.

Feel like at this point, if you're, like, seeing one man show, one woman show, you're like, alright. Let's see what we got here. Like, it's so hard to not, like, play into just, like, the the country, like, the stereotypical tropes of per those kinds of performances. 100%. 80 like, I'd say 85% of the shows at Fringe are one person shows.

Yeah. And I pretty much said I was only gonna see one person shows of people I knew, or that sounded like they had an interesting because there honestly, there were so many that were just like, oh, this is like your stand up bit. Yeah. Like, this is like your test for that. But this was not that, and I was thoroughly entertained and then watched Titanic and enjoyed that too.

Awesome. I'm inspired to mention a couple different things by the two of you that I was not going to mention. This is what happens in what we've been watching, Damien. We get carried away. It happens.

So And look, if you wanna talk about Love Island and the influence of Tom Stoppard and kind of some of the esoteric themes that we're playing with on that reality show, go ahead and let we can dive right into it. I think that's what Paul was gonna bring up. Go ahead, Paul. Okay. So I wasn't gonna talk about it at first, but after that, ninety Day Fiance is my, quote, unquote, trash TV.

And I was not gonna talk about this, but ninety Day has It's a space. Series called Hunt for Love that is clearly a response to Love Island. I've seen, like, two episodes of Love Island, and it's not for me. But and you gotta give it, like, 10 or 12. And I know that's, like, the worst thing to tell me.

10 or 12 episodes. I know. You have to watch at least, like, 12. No. And it you got like, there's gonna be listeners that are, like, you Absolutely not.

He knows exactly what's happening. Great. You have to give up at least half of a day. Can't invest that energy. But I I don't doubt it.

I think breaking bad was the thing that took me, like, eight or nine episodes for me to really get into. Yeah. And that was also something very special that it was like, oh my god. The grind is so worth it. I don't know if Love Island maybe it would be.

But ninety day to Breaking Bad before, but I I understand what you're saying. Lots of pizzas on roofs and lots of nephews. So what's the difference between between ninety day and the hunt one? So the regular one is just folks either leaving The US to be international with the person that they met online normally or vice versa. And this one is folks who are, like, ninety day all stars who are going to an island to try to find love with each other because they've obviously been split up with by folks who wanted to move on from that relationship for whatever reason.

So that's been fun. Thing I was initially going to talk about was I finally got on board because this was recommended to me by Special k is Man on the Inside with Ted Danson. Nice. Oh, yeah. It's great.

Great. A really fun show. Mike Shorshow is Yeah. Mike Shorshow. Mike Shorshow.

Mike Shorshow. Mike Shorshow. That's not that difficult. But if you're listening to this and you haven't seen this I'm glad you didn't test it out, though. Thank you.

Mike Shorshow. Mike Shorshow. Mike no. That's fine. It's very easy.

Yeah. I tried. If you've enjoyed Brooklyn Nine Nine or Parks and Rec or The Office or many of the things that we've talked about on this program, you'll probably enjoy this partly because there's something that happens with a lot of show runners and filmmakers once they hit a certain age. What that is is up to you audience to determine, but they want to start examining the process of death and coping and stuff like that. And this show does it in a really interesting, soft, realistic way.

And even the things that are not as grounded are perfectly totally fucking grounded for the most part. So I've just really, really enjoyed it. Dialogue's snappy. Acting's good. Again, it's Ted Danson.

Like, when was the last time that guy wasn't on fucking TV? 1978. He's the he's the go to TV, man. Yeah. Every every show he's in is gold.

I think it's a perfect transition, though, Paul, because the conversation in that show around him and his daughter and him, like, dealing with getting older and becoming more and more irrelevant possibly and chasing for what makes him happy. Being a detective. It brings us to This is part of why I brought this up. I love that you copied this. This is why we came to talk about working girl.

Melanie. Oh, Harrison. Archaeology is the search for facts. Damien Hi. I I hope you lost Tell you this for free.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade because that's the movie we're here to talk about. I don't think we've talked about I don't think we've brought it up yet. Did I bring it up? Well, we've quoted the whole movie, but Yeah. I don't think we've said what the the name of it is.

Well, the audio podcast is mightier than the video podcast. Is that something? Is that something? It's not even his line. Yeah.

Yeah. It's actually a Brody line. The Dental Milius line. The audio podcast is my jam in the video podcast. So fuck off.

And Hi, by the way. Hey. Follow me. We we watch Indiana Jones and the last crusaded Paul. Tell us about the movie.

This movie was produced by Lucasfilm Limited? Limited? Not anymore. How limited is that? Yeah.

They didn't get rid of that. Can you can you put in the Russ Wilson? No. Unlimited. No.

You can. How's that? Paul, put it in. This one? That It's my birthday.

To take every joke out there. It's my birthday. All I ask for is a movie. Don't have to take everything anything dangerous? Joke opportunity.

This was distributed by Paramount Pictures. It's rated PG 13. That is dangerous. It was released in 1989, and it's two hours and seven minutes. A tight two hours and seven minutes.

Can I just mention real quick? It's really important that it's paramount. Every any Andron's movie should be paramount. And when they're not paramount and they try to do the logo swap thing, it doesn't work. They tried to do that with the last one, and it did not work.

I don't. That's right. I don't have nostalgic ties past here. I'm just gonna say that now. Yeah.

Not even toward the the TV show, the young Indiana Jones TV show. Yeah. No. I don't think that's Not even that? I don't think anyone's clamoring for that.

Like, the Sean Patrick Flannery from the Boondock Saints is in that fucking show. Oh, wait. Hold on. I actually And I still was like, I will pull I will pull one thing that I'm nostalgic about that came after this. And that's What are you gonna pull?

What are you gonna pull on that you're nostalgic about? Yeah. The fan ride. Yeah. When it's operating, it's great.

Yeah. It is fun. The the It is fun. Animatronics are great. Yeah.

And I did like the game. Destiny. I thought it was alright. But the game I'm playing right now, the great circle, Indiana Jones, the great circle is great. Did anyone play the SNES game of this?

By the way, anything George Lucas, what a fucking money grab. Yeah. But did anyone wanna play the SNES game of this? I didn't play the SNES game of this. I didn't play the SNES game of this.

Because it was in the day. Difficult. It was fucking difficult. Side scroller. I played it once, not twice, because it was it was tough.

I remember that game. Two two two times. I was 77 years old. I could barely learn how to work it. I need the the game Ben's talking about to come out on Switch because that's the only thing I'm playing now, and I would love to play a good indie game.

They had a PC game year ago. Two? Yeah. When I played, that was kinda fun, but it wasn't it was great. Yeah.

Maybe Switch two. I mean, it was on Xbox. I only have PS five. So I was like That's right. Just waiting, and and they're like gonna release on PS five soon.

And then the day it came out, I was like, well, fuck it. I gotta buy this. Yeah. And I haven't had enough time to play it, but Forwarded over. Excited to get back into it.

I've heard it's great. It's dangerously good. I will also say, did any of you guys speaking of other Indiana Jones content with the the show, my only nostalgic tie is actually the preview for it that would pop up on VHSs. And I don't know if it was on Oh, yeah. Was it on the Indiana Jones VHSs, or was it on, like, coming to a workout or something that I used to watch back and forth?

I think no. It was on these VHSs for sure. Okay. Because that actually is kinda nostalgic. I've never seen the show.

I watched the teaser to this movie before I watched it, and it's arguably the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. Oh, okay. It's on the steel I have the steel book four k, And, like, it shows the thing of, like, Harrison Ford stapling the fedora to his head, and it's mostly behind the scenes shit and people wearing the swag and whatnot. I'm like Yeah. Who would not be excited for this movie from boomers all the way to what what's the generation?

Because I'm but only a generation alpha. But whatever that other one is. The budget on this movie was $48,000,000 before I was born. The budget today in 2025 would be a $124,400,000. The opening weekend of this film was 04/05/2002.

That's not right. Someone didn't update that. That's me. That'd be that's a weird time for that movie to come out. That would be This movie came out in the summer of nineteen eighty nine if we're trying to keep up with the Joneses.

The opening weekend was 29,300,000.0. That is 75,900,000.0 adjusted. If that movie is released today, the studio is worried. Yeah. That's wild.

That is wild. Final gross in North America was 197,100,000.0. That's $510,900,000 adjusted. Yeah. Final gross oh, please.

No. Just the worldwide. It it hit it hit the bill. $474,100,000. That's $1,220,000,000 adjusted.

So it would have been a billion dollar movie this Huge. This year. Huge. Of course, it wouldn't. How would you not?

You know? Mhmm. Again, the teaser is the coolest fucking thing. Did anybody watch the trailer or the any behind the scenes shit or anything? I did watch.

I I watched behind the scenes. Yeah. Damien I've seen it behind the scenes before, but it was, like Sure. Years ago. Okay.

The teaser is just sixty seconds of, again, just like watching cranes move and Harrison Ford ride horses and, you know, Sean Connery wear giant sunglasses and make jokes. It's fucking cool. So so it's a it's a behind the scenes, sizzle reel? Essentially, yes. Exactly.

Was kinda surprising. Like, that was not from the time? Yeah. And it says at the end, coming summer eighty nine. So it was like it must have been released during production.

I don't think that they did that kind of stuff very often either at that time. That's like some that's like some Tom Cruise shit. This is an event. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. You should be so fucking excited for this. Other releases this weekend, be excited for Pink Cadillac. I'm not that movie probably got buried. Pink Cadillac.

Does anyone know who stars in Pink Cadillac? Pink Panther. Damian? Cadillac Williams, the former running back. Good guess.

Auburn? Good guess. Good guess. The c is on the board. Good guess.

Problem. But yes. It was, it was Clint East. Wait. Clint Eastwood?

Yo. Woah. Pink Cadillac? Is that a euphemism? You gotta hop the little man in the pink Cadillac?

Damien gets it. Weekend top five were this film, believe it or not, it was almost like it was an event that people were gearing up for. See no evil, hear no evil, field of dreams, listen to our field of dreams episode. It's fucking great. Roadhouse, listen to our roadhouse roadhouse episode.

It's fucking great. And pink Cadillac Coming next week. Starring Clint Eastwood. That is dangerous. Other films from 1989, Batman.

Uncle Buck, don't go in there wearing that hat. They'll kill you. Beaches, Black Rain, babe. What's happening, babe? Black Rain.

Twins, Weekend at Bernie's, All Dogs Go to Heaven. Please listen to our Burbs episode. It's real good. I love our horror movie episodes because I love horror movies. And this one is a quasi horror movie.

It's real good. Brian Leahy, great guest. Mhmm. Great episode. Letterbox average on this is 4.1.

Follow us at Run b m c. And at I don't think Damien has a litter box. Damien. Oh, I do have one, but I have, like, four movies on it. And I I really only got it so I could look at Ben's litter box.

And at Paul x Badley. Great. Sysco and Ebert were split on this. That's insane. Guess who was the down?

Sysco's a fucking psychopath. What did you do? Was the down. Sysco can suck my RIP. Rotten tomatoes on this.

It's my birthday. '86. My birthday. The the Danny had sucked my cock. To be fair, most of the people that are involved in this movie or the things happening at the time of this movie, like, a lot of them are dead.

Let's we can tease up on this Sysco, you know, whole Sysco sucks. Shit. Okay? Your mother sucks cocks in hell. It's been a long enough.

I can find a way to leave and sit. It's about Sysco coming out. We made nine eleven Joe. It's fine. It's time.

It's time. Actually, let's make this whole episode how much we fucking hate Joel Sysco. Yeah. Joel Sysco. This episode is brought to you by Joel Sysco.

Is that on his name? Did I mess it up? Joel Sysco. You're good. You're good.

Paul's dying. Paul's falling on the ground. What has happened? Okay. That on his name.

Now, Ben. Oh, it's great, though. Yeah. I know you're doing I'm doing great. We're doing great.

Run tomatoes on this is 84%. Oh, his name is Gene. That's for sure. 94%. Popcorn rating.

This episode is brought to you by Joel Siskel. Metacritic rating, it is 65, 8.6 user. Major award wins and nominations. This was nominated for three Oscars. Sound, score, fuck yeah score.

Yeah. Fuck yeah. And it also won four special effects. Of course. Four Saturn award noms, including best picture fantasy.

When you're a sci fi fantasy kind of like you know, the these movies, they get, like, Saturn awards are important. Yeah. It's a big deal. Golden Globe nomination for Sean Connery for supporting Ben Yeah. You need to know about people.

Yeah. I mean, I I think Sean Connery is just I think the thing in this movie that I didn't realize about him is his comic timing. Mhmm. It's so good. He's got such good chops.

Are are we gonna go into, like, a like, a Connery talk a little bit? Are we gonna or or, like, as we're going through some of these because or because we can save it, but it's hard not to, like, jump in and, like Let's put a yes and something. Now might be the time to do it before we really get into the movie. Just like an yeah. Yeah.

I I personally think to be a really successful Bond because Bond is ridiculous. And so to be a successful Bond, you have to have some of those chops, some of that timing. And I I give him credit for that coming into this and then all sorts of things before this outside of Bond as well. But the his willingness to kind of be the backseat, like, the supporting, the he's so willing, and it's really fucking beautiful. It's really cool.

Yeah. You need to have I think one of the biggest, you know, ingredients to the magic of this movie is the fact that you have one of the few actors who I who can go toe to toe with the charisma, with the skills, with the just owning the screen in the way that Harrison can without competing with him. I mean, he makes Harrison better in this. Mhmm. Oh, that's sweet.

I say it with heart. He does. And and I I feel like he brings out more from Harrison and, you know, and and it's very few can do that. And and, you know, the two of the other actors who have been considered were Christopher Plummer and Gregory Peck, and, like, both incredible. And I think Christopher Plummer actually would have been a pretty interesting choice, but Christopher Plummer, I don't think he can nail the comedy, which is so key.

I feel like with Connery, he can he's this mirror image in ways to Harrison having done a huge IP star action star role Yeah. And being able to do the comedy, do the sentimental, and be, honestly, that kind of fatherly figure that that you respect, that you fear, that you I mean, he's just perfect in this movie. He's perfect. The other movie is just he doesn't have somebody to joust with in terms of, like, stage presence in the same I would I would argue I I agree in on so many things. I would argue Karen Allen kind of goes toe to toe in Raiders.

That's Yeah. I mean, Karen Allen's definitely the best love interest of the three. No. Very quickly, Ben, because I wanna support you here. Allison Doody, who's really fantastic in this movie, stands out more than any other viewing to me and than before in this viewing.

But, Ben, there really good. There is no screen chemistry in any other Indiana Jones movie other than Raiders with he and Karen Allen. Yeah. He and Sean Connery have similar Yes. Chemistry.

I would agree. Ben. Yeah. And I and I and I do agree. And I we'll get into this.

We keep saying we're gonna get into this, and then we're just gonna get into it. I think the reason this movie is as good as it is and why Raiders is as good as it is is because it's not so much about the thing they're after. It's about these two people. Yeah. And that's why those two movies are the standouts because Raiders is about this relationship that comes back together, and this is about a father and son healing.

Listening, watching the behind the scenes, like, the fact that that's where they came to for this movie, not about the holy grail. That's more of a, like, a, like, a symbol for what his dad's been sacrificing him for his whole life. Yeah. Yeah. I I Connery, no one else could do this part, and I couldn't imagine anyone else doing it.

Well, and the fact that they're only a few years apart in age 12 years. Right? 12. Actually. Yeah.

And Ben, as as you said, there's no bigger love for someone, especially if Indiana Jones is your avatar, than, you know, your your soulmate and the acceptance and love of your father. And it's just laying so fucking. I'm really excited to talk about this. We rarely talk about franchise movies, and I like franchise movies. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of franchise movies, the director of this movie is Steven Spielberg. Brush my shoulder at the Oscar party. No big deal.

AI artificial intelligence, the terminal always. Damian, we choose movie different movies, and we've done one other Spielberg before. I just did the same movie every time. Yeah. We this is just a movie where we only talk about Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, this podcast.

This is all we do. Yeah. Over and over. Over and over. I put in it at a seven movies just in case.

Just kind of at random, but I didn't care. Jeffrey Bohm, wrote this RIP, Lethal Weapon two, also came out this year. Inner Space, listen to our inner space episode. Whoopsie. Taurus Lucas, captain EO, and Minnow Meas, The Color Purple from 1985.

Director of Photography was Douglas Slocum, r I p. The Great Gatsby from '74, Jesus Christ, Superstar, and Rollerball from '75. Before we move on, Ben, you said something about how if it's not Paramount, they or that early those early few, the transition isn't the same in the movie. The feel isn't the same. I think Douglas Slocum, as soon as it transitioned out of Douglas Slocum's use of shadow and light and so forth, like, everything changed because the he did the first three.

Yeah. There's just yeah. I'm normally talking about this one. Music. John Williams, Home Alone one and two, Jurassic Park.

I recently rewatched it. It's it's one of my go to opening of summer movies that I'll rewatch. And then Fourth of July will be Jaws, but Jurassic Park is a fucking perfect movie. So The Long Goodbye. Listen to our Long Goodbye episode.

It just came out. It's in our seventies summer. Oh. Producers, George Lucas. Yeah.

We have a some 70 sweaty seventies summers going on right now. This is breaking the mold, but we're just picking seventies movie. So if you haven't seen that, it's Robert Altman, Long Goodbye. I actually haven't seen it before. It's been on my list for a long time.

You It's great. Put it on a high priority. Alright. It's a great producers, George Lucas, Ewoks, The Battle of Endor, you know, what he's most famous for, and Frank Marshall, Arachnophobia, Congo, and Kathleen Kennedy, who did every Star Wars ever made, starring famously famously Harrison Ford, who was my, subject for my eighth grade project. I did a project on Harrison Ford.

It has a little It was a criticism of Harrison Ford. Right? It was, Well, that's where I see things just a little bit. You know, I had some notes. Of his flying practices, maneuvers.

Yeah. Fly? Acting or anything like that. Piloting piloting specifically. Fly?

Yes. Land? No. Nice. Like I said, it was a critique of the whole deal.

Harrison Ford as Henry Jones junior, the fugitive, frantic, and firewall Sean Connery for as Henry Jones senior, Outland, Zardoz, and The Rock, where he plays classic the classic Connery film, Zardoz. And he plays another Bond in The Rock. Right? Basically? There's an argument that that is his Bond later in life.

What? Yeah. Because he's like an m I six agent who's been kept held hostage. Oh, I love that. I never thought about that.

It's a great film. Yeah, dude. Have you ever done that? Those were the bays. The days.

Those were the days. Have you done the wrong The days of the bays. No. We haven't done the wrong. No.

No Bays. We've done no Michael Bay. You're right. Wow. Fucking on America.

No Bays. Yeah. We were terrorists. I I gotta ask, like, some of the choices for the for the the credits, I love. What what is are you are we just kinda trying to get find some b sides to to toss in the mix?

Or Paul is a crazy person and likes to throw in weird movies. What? Ben would No. People wanna know what inspires you, and I think it's time. Yeah.

What inspires me is Paul's insanity. And he loves to pick wild movies, which I actually appreciate because it spurns conversation, even though I have given him lots of notes about it. So Heartbreak feels good in a place like this. Allison Doody plays Elsa of You to Kill RRR and Major League two. Denholm Elliott, r I p, plays Marcus Brodie.

Noises off. Listen to our noises off episode. That was one of my birthday episode two years ago. Wow. Time flies.

Toy Soldiers and Raiders of the Lost Ark. John Rhys Davies, who is Welsh, plays Salla. Yep. That's good to know. Lord of the Rings and Living Daylights.

And he's the introduction in the Disneyland ride. Julian Glover plays Donovan. Didn't I tell you not to trust anyone, doctor Jones? The Empire Strikes Back for your eyes only, Troy, and probably has the best death of any villain. It's so great.

The way that the effects team and Spielberg and everyone take the arc and escalate it is pretty fucking cool. I was gonna say, don't you think they shouldn't have had him, after drinking the cups, spoiler alert, basically devolve into Master Price sell from Game of Thrones? I mean, that's basically what happened. They have the technology now. Let's just do it.

Basically, that's what happens. They used to get fatter, older, slower. River Phoenix, RIP, plays young indie stand by me running on empty the Coast, which is where he learned his Harrison Ford impersonation. Michael Byrne plays Vogel, Braveheart, Gangs of New York, Tamara Never Dies. Kevork Malekian plays Kazim, Midnight Express, Flight of the Phoenix from 02/2004, and Taken two.

Okay. I'm done. Damien. Are there multiple Flight of the Phoenixes that we need to be making sure we get that one? Okay.

Yeah. The the the original is with, Gregory Peck? I was gonna say James Stewart. It might have been Jeremy Stewart. Wait.

Who am I? Am I the who's the Andy Griffith guy? Hey. Don Nuntz? Don Nuntz.

Way too many ostriches. Woah. Wow. This has become a dialect. No.

That was fun. Come on, Ben. That was fun. Damien's got some fun facts, though. Fun facts.

Fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time. That's right, Ben. I've got some fun facts to share with you all. With that headset?

Steve Spielberg. Excuse me? With your headset, you do look like some sort of, commentator. Alright. Now coming up, we got some fun facts for you all, all you sports fans out there.

Steven Spielberg, acclaimed director, has been quoted that this is his favorite of all the Indiana Jones films. Quick show of hands, who else would agree with him? We won't tell you who raised their hand. Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. I was trying to get a little, intel.

Harrison Ford and Sean Connery filmed almost all of the Zeppelin scene sans pants, very similar to the trio of boys talking right now. There was no AC on the set, and the actors were permitted to lose the trousers in an attempt to stay cool. I didn't know Led Zeppelin was in this. That's great. I love that it just trailed off.

It went silent. That was beautiful. That was your zeppelin. Alright. 2,000 rats were bred in captivity specifically for the tomb scene in the catacombs.

In any other case, the rats would be too aggressive and riddled with diseases much like Ben. Now Yeah. Also adding they used animatronic ones for the fire scene. Oh, for the fire scene. Okay.

That makes sense. They didn't Wow. They didn't kill any actual That's kinda cool that they went that far. I'm so glad you just said that already. That's I I didn't know.

I didn't know they didn't kill those poor rats. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Yeah. Thank you, Ben.

We all thank you, Ben. Thank you. Thank you for your service. In an Easter egg, when Donovan's wife comes into the study to tell him he's been neglecting his guests, the Imperial March, Darth Vader's theme can be heard playing on the piano in the background. Boom.

Boom. Boom. Glover, as many of you know, played general Veers in the Empire Strike Back. He was the helmeted officer in the, AT AT or AT AT, depending on your preference. Dark helmet?

Dark helmet. Different movie, but great movie. Spaceballs two, the quest for more money. I it has to be. The search for more it has to be.

I don't know if they've announced a sub it has to be that. They've gotta know. Right. You know what I mean? We'll talk about it again much more later.

Tom Stoppard, sir Tom Stoppard was paid a $120,000 to rewrite the dialogue for the join Jones Boys exchanges. After release and subsequent success, he was paid another cool mill as a bonus. In 02/2006, Spielberg said about the Jones boys' dialogue, it was an emotional story, but I didn't oh, let me do his accent. It was an emotional story, but I didn't want to get sentimental. The disconnection from each other was the basis for a lot of the comedy, and it gave Tom Stoppard, who was uncredited a lot to write.

This is insane. Dom, he's pretty much responsible for every line of dialogue. Damien, I don't know if you guys know much about dialect. That's a Cockney accent. Perfect Spielbergian cockney accent.

I have to mute it. I will say this dialogue crushes. Oh, I when I learned that, that made so much sense because their their dialogue is so witty and clipped and fast, and it's not like Spielberg's normal dialogue. So Hi, Mark. Question.

As anyone has watched this on this most recent viewing or recent viewings, do you feel yourself waiting to get through the incredible set pieces to get to the exchanges between characters, especially I mean, I love it all. Too. I do too, but I'm I found myself more so being drawn into the emotional story than I had ever been. I mean, I'm always emotional watching this movie. I I I don't there's never been a time that I watched this movie and haven't cried, and I've watched it so many times.

True or false, though. I think I said I rated this higher in terms of rewatch value above Raiders. And I think didn't I did I bring you around to my side? Was was that somehow part of this whole thing where I was like, yeah. Raiders might be a better movie, but I would probably rather rewatch Crusade.

And I feel like we talked about this. Well, I brought that up to Damien because I figured that was gonna be a a thesis for this episode. So I'm not there yet, but let's let's keep going. Yeah. I was gonna say that I I you know, Ben, maybe this is what you're kind of alluding to a little bit is I I love one of, like, the most nerdy kind of, like, hard to find, information on things in, like, movie making is script doctor information.

And so anytime you kinda get a nugget about, you know, Carrie Fisher, like, polishing up, you know, romantic comedy or something, anytime I find that out, I always look back. I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, I can feel that dialogue is, like, dialed in. And it's such a fun it's one of my favorite, like, nerdy kind of little treats to find Yeah. Because it's oftentimes uncredited.

It's oftentimes not talked about because they don't wanna undermine, you know, primary screenwriters and things like that. And, it's always so great, and I think that this movie absolutely shows it. And, you know, he does talk about it, you know, aside from my fantastic accent, the distraction that created just from the sheer, like, movement, it just urges people to feel. She's right in that it's a delicate line between feeling overly sentimental and and kind of and having it also be, you know, touching and feel real and dynamic. And, you know, the man, I mean, it brings out especially, like, I think about Harrison has these moments where he reverts to a a teenager in this way that is so authentic, and it's it's all fueled by the dialogue and both of them being so bought in to that relationship.

It could easily become saccharine or become and I feel like if Spielberg was relying on some of his other, writers or whatever, like, it could go that route. And I think what's so beautiful is that it's it's what's, like, these little lines that are kind of thrown out there and then the things underneath it. We're just off the top. Like Harrison's saying, like, last time we had a drink, I had a milkshake. And that's, like Yeah.

Like, just the line he says at the beginning of their little scene on the Zeppelin, which, you know The whole scene is is amazing. But that says so much. Like, the fact that he's just, like, realizing that, like, wow. Last time I I had a drink with you was however long ago. Yeah.

It makes it makes the payoff, I think, of the actions at the end of the movie and the small moments, you know you know, that soft Indiana, that moment of tenderness of, like, hey. I'm your father. Trust me in this moment. Let go. Like, that really I think it pays off by not being too saccharine Yeah.

Earlier. Yeah. I agree. And we're not saying soft Indiana like game seven of the finals or anything like that. But, again, it's an emotional thing between a Damn, dude.

And a sun. But, oh, also, like, we're talking about payoffs. I don't know if there's something that isn't lane that doesn't pay off, and I also wanna give Yeah. Not credit not only to the script and just so much incredible foreshadowing and so much incredible execution of those payoffs. River Phoenix was so special.

Yeah. Holy shit. I completely buy in to that is the young Harrison Ford. And, Damien, you have to give us the last fact because we're obviously so eager to talk about this. I gotta I gotta pump the brakes here.

Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna I'll do, actually, I had a a couple more that got that popped into it. One, real quick, just on the writing note about Chris Columbus who, you know, Goonies, Harry Potter. He's done a ton of incredible stuff.

He had written some early drafts and ended up getting fired. Gremlins, another classic. He ended up getting fired because he didn't he took all of Lucas' notes and what Lucas wanted to do and didn't change anything. And he got fired because it was bad, and that's kind of a class. And he he says it's one of the best learning moments of his career.

You know? So wait. So Lucas's So just the ideas as they were Sean Connery did improvise the lines, a lot of lines including she talks in her sleep. The crew cast broke out into laughter, leaving Spielberg to respond with only, well, that's him. That, we could get into the Eskimo Brothers aspect of the relationship.

It's a little weird. It's a little weird. I think they do it pretty well. All things considered. But, like, if I found out I was I know.

Eskimo brothers with my dad, I would have a existential crisis. Woof. But there's a weird thing about it almost feels like this is kind of James Bond saying this. Like, yeah. Like, whatever.

Like, yeah. You're James Bond now. I was James Bond before the As as Indiana Jones is was the next man. Spielberg's bond, right, as as he said. Yeah.

Ben, who's gonna be mean here? Damien, you don't have it on your sheet. We would now like you to pitch us the log line for this movie. Log line for this I was listening to one of your things, and you did this. And I was like, wait.

Did did they do this every time and I missed it? Did I and I was like, no. It might be it might just been this time, but they won't do that to me. They won't put me on the spot like that. No.

We will. We will. It's my birthday. So give us a one to three sentence description of this movie, an elevator pitch. Local collector goes on adventure to find dad.

Along the way, makes a few friends, has a few laughs, kills a few Nazis. And in the end, they find a prize, but the prize was love all along. Yeah. And, like, Nazis? I hate these guys.

I hate these guys, man. If you are Scottish Lord, then I am Mickey Mouse. How dare you he. The punch sound effect in Indiana Jones is maybe the most satisfying punch sound effect in action adventure movies ever. Do you think it is a certain point Period.

Spielberg was just like, fuck it more. You know, like, as, like, through those they get it feels like they get louder and punchier and snappier as they go. It's amazing. I watched Raiders not that long ago, and it's more I feel it more in the audio and more often in this. Yeah.

Paul, what's the real logline? In 1938, after his father goes missing while pursuing the holy grail, Indiana Jones finds himself up against the Nazzies again to stop them from obtaining its powers. I think I got pretty close. They don't say the holy grail? Yes.

After his father goes missing while pursuing the holy grail, Indiana transpies himself. So you know what? I think everybody did well. We all did well. Except except for Joel Siskel.

Who rates every all of it thumbs down. What the fuck, Joel? Joel Siskel, you you are the worst critic ever. You sum of a bitch. Yeah.

Joel Siskel sucks, man. Hi. I'm Joel Sysco. I'm here to tell you the audio program that you're listening to, the review review is pew pew pew. It's a total piece of trash.

It's tripe. It's garbage. The hosts are morons. No one should be listening to this. No one should be subjected to this.

It's absolute and total crap. Every movie they review is dumb and boring just like them. If you want to make sure you stay away from their stupid, lame, worthless bullshit, watch out for at run b m c and at paul x bedley on Letterboxd and at review x two podcast on Instagram and blue sky. Stay away. It's bad, and I will get those cards from Ben.

Those cinephile cards are mine, and so is his soul. Speaking of commercials, the you've chosen wisely commercial. Can anybody tell me? Joel Siskel would not approve. Joel Siskel would definitely approve of that.

Can anybody tell me what product that was for the commercial that used the because to me, when I think back do you remember? I don't know. It was I remember was it a Doctor Pepper or Coca Cola maybe? Diet Coke. Nice.

Yeah. I I couldn't look it up because I was like, it's either Blockbuster, Pizza Hut, or Coke. And I was like, that with last crusades feels like the most perfect Friday night in 1992, you know, to be watching that on VHS from Bill Easter. Sounds like a great night. That sounds like a great night.

Weird. I'm gonna say something. Perfect night 2025? Yeah. That's Why would I say that's a crazy thing to say?

By the we're back. We're back with Damian Peterson. Hi. Hey. Ben's here.

Paul's here. Ben. Yeah. And by the way, similar to the Grail Knight, the only way to slay Ben is to get him away from the cinephile cards. This is this is my horcrux.

I've put all of myself into these cards. If you get these cards away, I will die. I will die. Soul is in there. But what they really are Damien, are you ready to play around a cinephile?

Yes. No. Do you know? Okay. I think I You have I need I need enthusiastic consent.

It's not pass fail. It's just consent. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Give it to me. Okay. Paul, I need you to come back.

I don't know have you fallen and you can't get up? Or are you, nope. You're facing the wrong way, bud. Where did he get that bird? Well, he suddenly remembered his Charlemagne.

I don't know. I can't remember the I can't look at the card. It's for Damien. I have to turn around. Oh, okay.

Gotcha. Okay. Tell me when to stop. Stop. K.

I'm gonna show the camera. Jim Carrey. Oh. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Hey.

Look at that. An option of a movie that was almost picked on this program. I'm gonna say a little appearance. I like that. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with Batman Forever.

The Mask. Ace Ventura. Ace Ventura, When Nature Calls. Fun with Dick and Jane. The Cable Guy.

Truman Show. Bruce Almighty. The number 23. Top secret. Top secret.

That's a Top Secret. Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic the Hedgehog two. Sonic the Hedgehog three. Sonic and I'm I'm I'm not gonna get cocky.

Sonic the Hedgehog three. You're good. Okay. The Majestic. The Deadpool.

I'm starting to forget what people have said or not said. It's okay. Just say something. Have you said it? Truman Show?

Said. Damn. Bruce Almighty? Said. Shit.

That's probably why I'm saying them. God, this is, I'm a little too stoned for this. It's all good. I'll just go with them living color and then give you some answers on the, on I like that. Crusade.

Great. Excellent. Yeah. Give us your give us your your first crusade, if you will. Oh, well, first of all, I just wanna say, I think that Jim Carrey being on in living color and not SNL is kinda one of the coolest stories considering he's, like, one of the great comedians.

And, also, like, literally, like, the whitest dude, Canadian on the planet. And Yeah. Just, like, the way I love that story. And Living Color is great. If you never watched it, then go back and watch it because it was a classic of that era.

Yeah. Keenan Ivory Wayans is a genius. Yeah. Damon Wayans. Stamped.

Yeah. Yeah. That that show was great. So I have no idea the first time I watched this movie. I'm the youngest of five, so I'm kinda I kinda was kinda raised by zillennials.

Basically, from birth, I was watching Labyrinth Princess Bride, Star Wars trilogy, this, all three of them, Dark Crystal, stuff like that. That's pretty freaky, but But so it's been one of my favorite movies since I was a kid. And so it's actually hard I mean, you guys are probably know doing these with some, like, ones you've loved your whole life. It's hard to kinda give it, like, a rating because it's so much of the love isn't even the rational at a certain point. We call it the nostalgia pull.

Yeah. I mean, it's it is go ahead. No. I will say that having done this for two plus years now, three years now, that I feel like I can remove myself from that more than I Yeah. Ever have.

It still does yes, Ben. Absolutely. The nostalgia pull as we call it. Maybe not as much anymore, but it's still there. Yeah.

Yeah. I I think I can step out of it for the most part and usually be able to say, like, look. It's kind of a mess of a movie. You know? But I love it.

But it is hard with the Spielberg because it's already in so many ways, like, it's almost like he plays tricks on you to love it even more. You know? He's just that's how good he is. Like and especially as, you know, people who grew up, like, super, influenced by spiel Spielberg kinda was film for us in so many ways. So it's hard it is a little hard to remove that sometimes.

It actually so that's not as interesting to to dissect. But I will say that as I got older, especially, like, in the last, like, ten years, I kinda came to a realization even though I never would have been, like, Indiana Jones is my number one. I kinda came to the realization that I think it's my favorite movie. Oh, shit. Yeah.

And I and I mean that just This one specifically? Yeah. And, you know, and Woah. That's a hard You've logged four movies on Letterboxd, though. That's insane.

What are you saying? I I had usually have a top five that's pretty amorphous, and it's hard to, like, compare it to Star Wars for me because I just think of them as a trilogy and even things like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, for instance, if it was up there, which I love Harry Potter, but it's not necessarily up there. But it's just hard to kind of, like, compare those entities in a lot of ways. I don't think of Indiana Jones as a trilogy that's you that you can't separate. So I think of this in a lot of ways as a standalone movie, differently than Star Wars because the pace of that trilogy is very specific in a lot of ways.

Most of the especially the second two are directly linked to the other two. So I think I just realized I just love this fucking movie anytime I watch it. It is just a banger. It is a it is the just quintessential perfect banger, and not just banger in that it's, like, exciting or it's hilarious. It's everything.

It's Not that it was just the dad and the son that were the banger. That were the it is the ultimate form of banging as a film, as a kink. I could go on, but, ultimately, it's just it's just I can't fault it. I feel good when I watch it. I'm in the mood for it anytime.

It's so nostalgic. I just I just love it. It just makes me feel so good. I mean, there are movies I love. Every time I watch this movie, I just feel good.

Yeah. More than any other movie. So I I think I'd say, like, my rating for it is about a a 4.8 Wilhelm screams out of five. That's my rating system. Great.

But this is your favorite movie ever? Yes. It's not a five. Not the best movie like, doc favorite ever. No.

No. No. But your favorite favorite movie ever. Yes. That's very different, listener.

Although those are very different rankings. Very different for sure. Like, for this movie, I would say that I'd not get point two points because I don't think it challenges you. Like, I you know, like like, a really great movie is gonna either is gonna push a viewer in some way to feel a little bit of, like, constriction or or, you know, or experience something that feels like it's never been done before. Or it just is missing a little bit of an element because so much of what happens in this movie is so predictable.

It's so formulaic. It's just done perfectly. So, Ben, do we round this to a 4.75 for Liberty? For Damien? I feel like I feel like he would round it up.

So two to a five? Yeah. I mean, it's to avoid? You can do whatever the fuck you want. The first rule of review review is there are no rules, dog.

It feels like there are a lot of fucking rules. I got it. Alright. There there actually are. If you actually if you screw up with the rule we will signal the sniper.

So there are a lot of rules. They sound like a 48 to me. So We can let's round up. Okay. So fine.

Yeah. And What's the round up to? From four point eight to five? Okay. We go from zero to five.

Dude, I'll I'll put five then. If we're doing if we're doing whole numbers, I'll do five. I was saying you have point two five increments as the guess. So you can go 4.75 or five. I'm gonna go five.

Let's go, man. I'm let I'm gonna not cut that. I like that. That is a fucking move. That's a stand.

I like that. I'm doing it. Ben? Yeah. I like Damien.

I don't remember the first time I watched this movie. I mean, these three movies are I've been doing this podcast for three years, and, like, if you look at my letterbox, like, top 100 or whatever, Raiders would be number one and Crusades probably, like, number seven or eight. That those three movies have been such a big part of who I am. I remember at one point telling someone, like, Indiana Jones is my Star Wars, and that made sense to them. Like, that understanding of what that meant was like and so, yeah, I I have zero recollection of when I first watched this movie.

I just know I, at one point, owned the trilogy on VHS and watched them religiously. And this one, when I was a kid, I would have probably given Raiders a five, Temple probably, like, a four, and given this one five. Anyway, as I've gotten older and I have rewatched these this similar to Damien, I can throw this movie on anytime of day, any day. There's no there's literally nothing that is restraining me from wanting to have this on, whether it's a background movie while I'm working working or if I just wanna, like, watch it. I'm so familiar with it at this point that anytime I tune in, I'm here for it.

So I I don't wanna I I wanna talk about this movie because there are so many moments in this movie that mean a lot to me. But I think that I am, five out of five dogs. I had a lot of good memories of that dog. That's a really good reason to rate it that way to go with the justification. Your justification You're named after dog.

Out of five dogs. And riding off into the sunset is also so important for so long. It's really important for a long period of time Should've been the end. Before it becomes not as important for reasons. I saw this in the theater.

It's one of my earliest memories. I wasn't born yet, but I know I saw this. You were a protein in an eyeball. I was a I was a twinkle in an eye. You were a prosaic coming out of the ooze.

How long did it take for Ben to say ooze on this? And that took longer than I thought. Never tell. You came out of the kick. Jesus.

That's a decision. Can you keep that? Right. It's just a yeah. Deepest deep.

I saw this movie, and I remember for the longest, you know, I had a poster on my wall. I had a cassette of the score of this at a point in my life. This as far as I was concerned, this was the coolest fucking thing that existed. And years ago, I adjusted my five to a four and a half for reasons of, like, well, that bookcase is obviously fake. Well, those bloodstains are obviously fake.

Oh, do you remember the bookcase in the library? Right. When he goes upstairs and the bookcase behind him is fake. Very fake. Yeah.

And I kinda knocked this movie for not holding up the way that I wanted it to in perfection of execution. Yeah. And I watched this movie today, and I went from a four and a half, and it's the first time I've really watched it in years because, like, the two of you, this was like a comfort thing. I could put it on in the background, and it was so familiar and so warm and nice. I could tune in or out at any time I wanted, and I hadn't really sat and watched it in a long time.

And I went from, like, that five or and then a four and a half to a five book stamps. Oh, yeah. It was almost five penis mightier. So five penis meatier. Or I think he says the pen is mightier.

The pen is mightier. Right. But I give this five book stamps. I think this is so cool and so special. And when the movie tells us as the audience, we are going into a vaudevillian Marx Brothers Yes.

Marx Bunny? Great way to actually describe it. Thank you. I should've sent it to the Marx Brothers. Through the history of, like, transportation where it's like camels and horses and tanks and trains and airplanes and cars and motorcycles and blimps and boats.

Zeppelins. Yeah. Yeah. It's all this really cool shit. And not only are the act breaks essentially absolute perfection between one breaking, two starting, two breaking, and three starting, two is long.

And you almost don't want it to end, and I don't really want this movie to end at all. Yeah. But the ride off into the sunset, and I think this is the thing that I had to come to terms with. I cannot hold the things that come after this film against it. Mhmm.

Five book stamps. Hell, yeah. Love it. We're we're at a we're at a trifecta here. We're at a triple five.

Holy shit. Yeah. I mean, I think that, like, that's the thing is, like, filmgoers as as, you know, people who like details, who like behind the scenes things, and then, like, again, it goes back to the loving hands is that I think about I complain about something like Mandalorian because I'm like, it just feels like I love Mandalorian in a lot of ways. It's fun. It's great.

There's episodes that are dope. And then there's moments where I'm like, I feel like you guys just checked out and you just stopped making choices or you you hand woe something wave something, and you can get away with details being missed when everything else is just fucking on. You know what I mean? You can even notice it. I love there's a number of things, and I'm like, why the fuck is there a disappearing box on a train cart?

Yeah. Right. Who set that up in there? And, like, how did he actually get out of there? What what was that right?

Mean? He goes through. It's gotta be an escape hatch. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't fucking matter.

Yeah. If it's so so well, it does not matter. If the train is stopped, is the hatch through the bottom and that's part of the standard magic show? Is that this is something I did during, the game, is that I feel like I can justify a lot of things, like, pretty easily. Like, you're saying where it's like, well, what about this?

And my my brain to whatever degree puts it together. The movie is so fun Yeah. That I I I refuse. I absolutely refuse consciously and subconsciously to not swear this belief. I don't I refuse.

I wanna come up. Go ahead, man. I just wanna say we need to start the movie. Start the movie. Start the movie.

Start the movie. And now, our feature presentation. You ever done anything dangerous? Because that Paramount Mountain I understand it. That Paramount Mountain blending into the Utah.

It's not monuments. Where are they? They're, The, Arches National Park. Arches. Arches.

Arches National Park, which is so fucking gorgeous. Like, I washed it this time, and I had to want when I was of course, I washed it. And why'd you say that? The this opening, I was like, oh, wait. I need to think about this as if I don't know that this movie starts with a young indie and that this has started in the past.

Trying to separate myself from knowing that Because you start with this, like, what feels like another indie adventure. Here are some, like, random horseback riders silhouetted as they ride through a desert. Ben mentions the silhouetted riders through this area and so on. That's part of the thing that's so incredible about the movie is the use of light and shadow and what it's defining at different times and why. And it starts doing it so early with River Phoenix as young indie inspired by his experience with Harrison Ford as was mentioned.

And the guy that they cast to play the inspiration for who Indiana Jones sees as who he wants to be when he grows up is, like, that casting is fucking incredible. I mean, that whole opening He's perfect. It's bolt it it it walks this line, right, which Spielberg does a lot, but he does it so expertly, which is, like, it goes between being a a kid's show to being to being something that's, like, grounded in, like, these actual stakes. You know, like, when those three henchmen who are, like, iconically cast when they look, like, very iconic henchmen for him and, like, they see indie and they all stumble over each other. It's it's a very almost cart it could be very cartoonish, but it feels like it works in the world that he has sort of, like, built.

Do you know what I'm saying? I do. And I love the the performance with River Phoenix, the inspiration with Harrison Ford, the clear interpretations of who the villains are, and even through the costuming. And when he goes on the train and it goes from the reptiles to the mammals to the magic to the this to the that, it's this great escalation as he goes from car to car to car. It also I mean, a, like, I I I love the line everyone's lost but me.

And, like, River Phoenix's performance is phenomenal. But, like, it does the thing that I normally hate in a in a, I guess, origins where it, like, shows how he, like, came to hate snakes or how he came to Every iconic thing we know about him in one day, basically. Like Yeah. And usually, I hate that. Like, I don't like it in solo, you know, when he, like, throws in the gun that I'm, like But you're by yourself.

So I So solo. Yeah. I fucking hate that. No. I I'm with you where that's what I'm talking about with the escalation where he gets where he eventually gets to the car, like, the snakes happen, and he eventually gets to the car with the lion.

It makes sense that there's a lion on this car in this movie and that there would be a whip there for the lion tamer that's on this traveling circus on this train and that he doesn't know what he's doing, that he would whip himself. And it doesn't fit the writing is so natural through this whole train car chase, and the way it's escalated is really fucking beautiful. I think it does do a nice job about having it's that thing where Spielberg's like, yeah. I know this is a reference, but, like, let's have fun. Don't worry about it.

You're we're good. Like, I don't know. It it feels like they're not trying to, like, it's more like it's fun. It's quick. It's it's it's it's well performed.

Yeah. But even, like, the situation doesn't feel like why would they even be in that situation? Like, it's all it's all part of this, like, moment in the laugh. I think I think there is a laugh to it, but it's not a laugh that is laughing at the movie. It's it's just kind of like, hey.

We're with Indy. Have a little fun right now. Like, does that make sense? Yes. I think there's a little bit of, like, absolute I think there was I think there there was more Playfulness.

There's a playfulness that's understated. I think a big part of this is because the movie barely a decade past Raiders. Right? Like, there hasn't been a lot of time that's passed. And so, like Eight years.

So there's not a lot of nostalgia, you know, for these things. Like, I think that if if and maybe he wouldn't have done it. If he maybe he wouldn't have done it this way, but, you know, like, one of the things that I don't like from the Ghostbusters newer ones or JJ Abrams' Star Wars, zoom in on the fucking proton pack or the or the lightsaber and like this, like, music playing under and it's like, that means nothing. It means nothing to these characters. It only means something to me because I watched these movies fifteen, twenty years ago or whatever.

That shit annoys me, and they don't do that here. They don't zoom in on the whip to show you, like, oh, here's the whip. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the beauty of just we're on a train. It's a traveling circus. It's primarily animals.

He has a traumatic experience. This guy looks like who his father that we don't see, the the snakes are part of this traumatic thing. He uses the whip for a reason. It makes perfect sense. I'm with you so far where nothing feels like so ham handed or intentional or, like, just jammed up my ass, or it's just like, give me a fucking break.

It all feels as I said, I watched Raiders not that long ago. This all is clicking on all cylinders for me because this is also a prequel to temple of doom, we should mention. But he Indy gets the cross of of doom's a prequel to all of them. Thank you. Prequel to all of them.

Yeah. I appreciate you. It's a prequel to Crystal Skull, though, which is we should we should probably get into that now. Woah. Cool it.

I knew I knew that it was gonna make this primarily a crystal skull. Put it on ice. 5.5, baby. 5.5. Insulate your feelings.

The the not seeing Connery, though, is also so key in this first part as the dad. Damien, please. I was gonna just to just to kinda put a little bit of a a button on, and I I do wanna also talk about and we'll get we'll probably get to them, I suppose, but the, the kind of, indie mentor, figure. Again, the editing is so tight. It's so well paced that, like, I think, you know, Ben was talking about it.

This is a good point is that nowadays, we see they just be so luxurious in the in, like, the giving you a moment. They'd be overly so of, like, zooming in or, like, taking a moment, and he's like, a whip? You know? Like Yeah. It it the only thing is just been like, shit.

I was gonna but it's a whip. Keep going. You know? Like It's two spoon feeding now. Yeah.

It's two spoon feeding now. And it was a it was like a little more subtle. Yeah. And I I'm with you. I'm with you.

And I like I like a lot of Marvel movies, but I think a big part of that is Marvel movies that, like, gave room for the audience reaction. And it's, like, y'all, we don't, you know and I get it when I saw some of those movies in the theater that we we did react and it was great, you know, but, like, you watch it now and it's just as, like, they say a thing and there's just, like, five seconds of silence and you're, like, it doesn't really play anymore. So I have to mention in this moment, seeing this in the theater, some of my earliest memories, the transition of the Indiana Jones projection, avatar, inspiration, whatever. Putting the hat? Putting the hat on him, and then it's the transition to its indie getting the shit beat out of him, which is always satisfying.

You wanna see your heroes go through some of this kind of shit, and it works so well in this movie. Harrison Ford raising his head, people cheered in the theater. I remember that. I mean, it's it's one of my most visceral vivid memories of being in a movie theater. It's just an iconic he does the iconic smile.

Even when he is in the grips of potential death, there is there is a bit of, like, fuck you. I don't fucking care. That is the that is the smile that's, like, yeah. Like, that's I mean, it's iconic. Right?

Like, when he grabbed the plant at the beginning of Raiders and smiled, and then it gave up gave Yeah. It yeah. Because this opening I love that they give us that villain from his youth into here, and he's Yeah. There's not much about him other than his white suit and Yeah. He's just, like, getting called the man in the white suit, basically.

Yeah. Getting them in the credits, and it's perfect. It's like a you automatically know what he is and what he's about. They don't even have to explain it. Like, that visual is so smart.

You don't have to, like, overthink it. It's like he's an archetypal kind of, like, rich villain guy from his youth. You're almost like reading a little pulp comic of Yes. In the in Indiana Jones' world. Yes.

Things like eye patches and canes and specific cuts of hats and colors of suits and things are so important through Yeah. This franchise as to who characters are. And it's so great in this thing where if you're paying attention outside of all these other indicators where he continues to echo this thing Indiana does that belongs in a museum, and I love the guy who's So do you. So do you. So do you.

It's such a great The boat set where they're on this, transport ship, distribution ship, which I assume is at the famous Paramount Pool. I assume it's Which is I assume it's full of petroleum because that explosion is insane. There aren't that many insane explosions considering the era of when this was made. That's But it is random amount of petroleum on that boat. Ridiculous.

Thoughts I had is that he comes off the boat, and then it they cut to this giant wide, and it's, like, nearly a mushroom cloud. You know, I would not say that Spielberg and fire are always super consistent considering the catacombs later on when, like, he's got a a torch that's just, like, balming out fire on the control end. He should be And they just threw up a little, like, match, and it just yeah. And and considering, like, the castle that lights on fire that's made of stone. Oh, yeah.

I'm like blows the the There's like a little, like But the tapestries the tapestries not bad. Up in Benjamin. We do have tapestries. The I do wanna I do wanna just, like, real quick say River Phoenix is incredible. It's interesting to me.

He's an interesting, like, person in that I don't even fully understand, but definitely generations after me are not gonna ever really understand how famous kinda he was and, like, that or that he was kinda gonna be a huge star before he died. So it's gonna be the Leonardo DiCaprio, I think, of Yeah. I I hope that every generation moving forward sees Stand by Me because it's Yes. A fantastic movie. And Sneakers, if people haven't seen it, it's a Phil Alden Robinson movie.

I in my opinion, like, maybe the all time cast. It's but River Phoenix is so great in that movie where similar to he's just up to the task where it's so hard to ask an actor between the ages of especially, I think, between 10 and 20 to go, you're in a movie that where you're gonna be portraying a young Harrison Ford. Go. Yeah. Don't worry about it.

That's The big the biggest movie star in the world right now. Don't worry about it. Like That it's nuts. Yeah. It's a crazy good performance.

Keeping us keeping us moving here. He gets the, the cross of Coronado. Right. He finally gets it after however many years that passed. Dude's hat floats by, which is a great indicator So good.

Death. I I still don't know how he survived after that point. He's, like, in the middle of the ocean Right. On a, like yeah. But whatever.

I don't care. It's Indiana Jones. Okay, Joel Siskel. Chill ass. Yeah.

Joel, why don't you take a take the bench for a few minutes here. You realize he's in a different college than he was the college name. Oh, I didn't notice that. There I didn't know. Yeah.

This college is called Barnett, I think. Barnett College. And the one that You gotta get tenure, man. Right. But Denholm Elliott's a very weird Oh, that is a good point.

Why they changed the name. Dennel Melyot didn't switch museums, sir. I I this is also the first example of some of the foreshadowing that I recall is the x never ever marks the spot when he's teaching. Mhmm. Yeah.

And we get Brody back, who we didn't I don't think we saw in Raiders. We have we have Brody in Raiders. Yeah. He's at the Or we didn't we didn't see him in Temple. I'm so sorry.

Temple. Correct. Yeah. I mean, Temple, we don't get anything at the universities at all. Right.

But Indie slips out with the grail diary un unknowingly at this point. It's been sent to him where he teaches. And I this is part of the sound design thing that's so fucking cool is when he has all these kids sitting outside of his office, and he's like, fuck this. Because he's like, hey. He's the worst fucking he's He's the worst teacher.

Awful awful at his job, his actual job. But his honorarium, I'm sure, fucking rocks the shit. But he, climbs out the window. And in the sound design, you can hear those kids, like, softly yelling until at different volumes until he closes the window. And it's awesome in the four k.

Like, it's they they take so much care where it's it's almost like a theater viewing experience. And that's where it's, like, part of the five star comes from me is the home viewing experience of this is fucking awesome. Yeah. I love the getting taken by a bunch of goons in fedoras. Hired goons?

The the goon work in this film is just unparalleled. It's strong goon work. Yeah. Hired goons. Hired goons.

Joel Siskel was a hired goon. Right? I think that's where he he worked he was Gene Siskel's brother. He was hired a lot as a goon. It's all for me, Damien, and you did it.

You hit it all the way out. Paul's a pretty good goon. Look at that mustache. Hired goons. I love that there's nothing that needs to be said.

He, like, get he sees them Yeah. And, like, they just surround him, and you just see him, like alright. Like, he knows exactly what he is gonna do. And the introduction of Donovan is such a great I I don't wanna say, like, we know this guy's up to no good, but, like, the whole introduction, like, the exposition dump here of the grail is so well done because it's It's really well done. Yeah.

It's it doesn't feel like an exposition dump. It feels like these two people having a conversation. Yeah. This is what I'm saying where in between all these incredible set pieces, I'm like, I wanna hear people talk to each other more. That's exactly what I was trying to say earlier, where these exposition dumps are poignant.

They're deft. They're so they're executed with care by the writer, the director, the actors. Everybody gives a shit. When Donovan tells Harrison Ford, tells Indy about the Grail mission, Julian Glover is absolutely fucking nails in this scene. He's so good.

If I hadn't seen this movie before, this is something I wasn't able to do with Friday the thirteenth. Ben no? You weren't? Mhmm. No?

I was there. Friday the third no? Oh. No. Okay.

Well, I felt your presence. But the That was really awkward, guys. If I were to remove the fact that I knew this, it's like that performance by Julian Glover is absolutely fucking masterful. It's absolutely And that he's British. It almost never I don't think it slips.

Does it slip? He doesn't, though. He does he does it's I I feel like I can almost tell he's doing a a Brit still, though, because it's it's kinda like when, Jason, what's the guy who plays Malfoy's dad? Jason Isaac. Jason Isaac.

He's always got, like, especially in older stuff, he didn't pay. Everything he said had a hard kinda r sound to it. Like, I'm an American. It gets very specific. Very specific.

Then it covers that, Josephine. Kind of When it gets loudly He said that doctor Jones it gets very loud indeed. Hi. It's this. He tightens up back of his throat a little bit.

Guys No. Damien. Did not tell you not to trust him. You want doctor Jones? Benjamin.

I'm cool guy. John, American baseball. Go. Touchdowns. Germany is the clear one.

Jones. Boy. Don't listen. This guy, alright. Well, I will say, though, like, I appreciate, Paul, that you're you're want to be a glutton with with the dialogue, but I love that it doesn't let you get that.

Like, it's just enough for the kind of that's the thing. It's like it's like talking about again, it's all about this balance that he's able to strike of, like, you know, you have the the white fedora suit guy and the the mentor who's obviously, like, a mirror for him. He does it just enough so that that he doesn't lose you. You know, he want he gets you because it's a specific pulp vernacular that he's using. And if you overuse it, it becomes a cartoon.

And if you underuse it, you're obviously missing the kind of the the the tight chords that he's playing with. And I think with the dialogue too, it's just a perfect amount that that makes you want more scenes between him and his father. I mean, want more of, like, the context for the grail hunt and what were the other things he found and, you know, all these things. But if you give Moore, it kind of he trusts his audience. Once again, fill in that room and not have to explain it.

This I love what you're saying. This is the thing that I gave to, the game that I shouldn't have, that I should extend to this movie, as you're saying, is, like, it's very easy to fill in the gaps. It's logical that that train that has a magic box would stop and somebody would drop out of the bottom. So, oh my god, who knows what happened? And the way that act one is able to ramp up and then just escalate from the fact that Indiana Jones is, like, checking his dad's place.

His dad's missing. His dad's place is fucking ransacked, and Donovan, who's hired him for this job, is saying, don't trust anybody. And the act ones ends on this incredible crescendo that, in my opinion, a lot of movies that are, for instance, made for streaming, like, no offense. Things like this kind of crescendo at act one where you're like, holy shit. I still haven't seen Sean Connery's fucking face.

Or Harrison's. You know? By then, you're already so wrapped, and you haven't even seen just at the end of the beginning intro, you haven't even seen fucking Harrison Ford at until the end of it. Yeah. That's unlike the other indies, I mean, I think that the fact that this starts with him, it's not about going to find the holy grail.

It's about him going to find his father. And I was watching the behind the scenes today. Spielberg and Lucas were talking about the thing that they always get have to get is not so important. You know, like, that thing has to disappear at some point. We have to get rid of it because it's not about what that thing is.

In this, it was finding his father, finding the the diary, finding the map. Like, it was it was about getting these, like, points of getting them places, not so much about whatever the MacGuffin was. And the beauty of this movie is that it gets different, more complex, the stakes, and the relationships, and the what I want get different as I get older. Do I want the grail? Do I want Elsa?

Do I do I want the acceptance and the love of my father? These things change as I've watched it through the years. It's hit me in different ways. Mhmm. And I think that's really fucking hard to do.

That's kind of the premise of this podcast is how rewatchable is this and especially from here as we've talked about it, you know, ad nauseam. The fact that act one ends at about twenty five minutes and act two ends at about twenty five minutes left before the credits start, Ben, you mentioned the edit. We I think we've all talked about the script. What an absolute for for Indy to start act two with saying, ah, Venice. Yeah.

And this is where the movie starts to become egregiously quotable for me. It's already quotable. Doctor Jones, I presume. My father My soul is prepared. How's yours?

I I do So good. You know what's funny is another movie I love is The Mummy, which the whole, like, brotherhood watching The mummy and what like, they totally just took that from this. Yeah. Like and and I'm just gonna say, it's a very similar their job. Yeah.

But he, like, kills a bunch of those dudes in the brotherhood, and then he's like, oh, you're fine. See you later. You know? And the same thing happens in the mummy where it's like, you guys killed a lot of my people, but Right. We're good.

That was really easy to, like, the like, literally, they were, like, about to die together, and he's like, I'm just looking for my dad, but I also need the grail. You know? And and the guy's like, alright. Goodbye. That.

Yeah. Like, if it What? If it's just your dad, you see questions? Yeah. That's cool.

Like, we all have complex relationships with our dads. I get it. Okay. You have my blessing. I mean, the this whole Venice set piece is so fucking great.

It's incredible. This is the first time that I noticed outside of the book stamp librarian guy being like, this is the greatest actor I've ever seen in my life. This guy is incredible. Like, there's there's no one that hangs with this guy's shit. You can't can't hold my dick.

Like, this guy fucking rules. There's no scene this is the thing. Is there's no scene, there's no set piece that feels like the low part in this movie. Like, even though I love Raiders, there are moments when Raiders starts to feel a little long. And there Yes.

There are. You know? And granted, they're different types of movies. But, again, like, the editing and the pacing that you never feel you're, like, letting down and, you know, it's like a a tune out scene or even just a scene that kinda, like, has to pull you back up, and yet you're not exhausted by the end of the ride. I agree with you.

It is not making you work super hard. I mean, it's incredible that, like, it's basically just like you were in such good hands and just, like, on the best perfect roller coaster you've ever asked for, roller coaster of emotions and action and comedy, and it's just peppered with all these elements, and it's done so deftly that you're not feeling overwhelmed by any of it. Yeah. I feel this the deafness of this more so than I ever have. As I said earlier, like, Reuters is a better movie, but this is more rewatchable.

I had always watched this and been like, how did you not see the x that marks the spot before they enter the knight's tomb? It makes it clear in the camera angles, you can't really see it unless you're at a very specific angle. And the fact that he goes upstairs is necessary. Even things like that are thought of. The fake bookcase, I prefer the fake bookcase behind him to a bookcase that's like, why is fucking Dianetics there?

What are we doing here? Or CG or things like that. This is the the first time I've watched this movie that I've fully been like, matte paintings, yes. Models, yes. Dummies, yes.

Things that are fill ins and taped over it, like, yeah. Give me all that. All of it. Everything in the catacombs is great. You know, using the rats going from snakes and raiders to bugs in temple to giving us the rats is a great And Elsa's great in that whole sequence.

Like Yeah. And that's not easy. Perfection. She's like Perfection. Freaked out and she's, like, nervous and, like, her physicality is great.

It's a little, like, you know, he's like, oh, I gotcha. You know, it gets, of course, like, hero man. But it never goes Kate Capshaw with it. No. Like, it's she's, like and she's got the worst, like but, really, like, she's she's, like, pretty badass.

Like and She is. She totally is. And Capshaw is annoying. That's, like, one of the big problems with Temple is not only is her performance annoying, but the character isn't written very well. Meant meant to be that way, which is unfortunate.

Yeah. That's what that's why Karen Allen agree. Yeah. Exactly. Karen Allen is is the goat.

But The best thing about Temple is the opening. Yeah. The opening date. Number and the big gag and everything. Fun stuff about Temple, you know.

They're they're yeah. Sure. Absolutely. Car stuff is fun and, like, the final showdown is pretty cool on bridge. It's a And there's there's a there's a mood and a vibe that just feels different and dark and interesting, but, yeah, as far as like, it it is fun to, like, dabble in those waters.

And, like, this is strange. This film feels weird. You know? It's also so racist. Yeah.

It's also, like, crazy racist. I actually haven't watched it in, like, I feel like a long time. I should watch it again because I feel like I if I watched it now, I'd be like, oh. It's a journey. That's for certain.

And we're talking about dark things. This is the thing that this movie, I think, does better than any of the Indiana Jones property shit that I've seen, including some of the India young Indiana Jones and all of that is with the entrance into the tomb and the rats and the brotherhood of the cruciform sword and the gasoline and skeletons and all this stuff, we're not in that world for that long. Temple of Doom Yeah. In that world for a super long time. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And in this movie, you're not. And Yeah. When Kazim at the boat set piece is absolutely spectacular.

The speedboats look gorgeous. The comedy between Allison Dutti and Harrison. You said go between them. I said don't go between and Kazim, this actor saying, my soul is prepared. How's yours?

It's great. Like, character actors It's so good. Getting absolute fucking home runs. You get Yeah. To the hotel that, again, this room is wrecked.

Like, Henry Jones senior's home is wrecked. Part of my 4.5 came from originally is, like, how do you not put together who keeps wrecking all these places, sir? Is it is it assumed is it assumed she did that to her own room? Yes. That he maybe stashed it in her room, potentially.

I think so. No. But you but you're saying that she, trashed her room on I don't know. It maybe they trashed her room to make it look like she's still she's her on their team. Whoever's, like, following Yeah.

It does One of the two or both? Yeah. Yeah. I guess, why wouldn't they try I yeah. Yeah.

Do you know that this movie was originally pitched with the haunted castle aspect? Yes. That was a Lucas thing. Of course it was. He wanted to do a a castle, and he got it eventually.

I mean, the castle tour thing is great. Does anyone have a great Scottish accent? Can anyone beat Harrison Ford's? We come to see the tapestries. That one.

Well, that was the German accent, but, well, there's a Harrison Ford accent. How dare he? Like, like, how dare he? I've got a sniffle. It's so bad.

That's so bad. I can't Mickey Mouse. You'd think he'd be better at it because his dad is Scottish. But I cannot harm. When Elsa and Indi are going through here and Indi is like because the door is wired.

And it's some of these things where he just seems, like, very you know, he kisses her he kisses her first at a point, and this is something we've talked about where it's like, is somebody, like, mansplaining or something like that? And there's something about this where it's like, I don't none of it feels, like, aggressive or inappropriate inappropriate to me. Am I crazy? Well, she's I think she's matching him. So, like, even when they have that kissing moment, she's like, no.

I'm gonna I'm diving into this. So it doesn't it feels I do you is that what you mean in terms of his dynamic with her? She kisses him right back for sure. But Oh, yeah. She's like She's using his flaw, which I think they know.

They know that he's a he's a womanizer. Mhmm. And I think that she's using that against him. And I think it it's actually kind of a nice subversion from the other two movies. Because the other two movies, like, he's the dragon romantic force, and in this, you don't expect that.

The audience doesn't expect it, and he doesn't expect it. And even though I think she does have some feelings for him, her moments have kind of feel like coming off flightier head in the clouds or or and in this very little, it's purely tactical for her. It's not her being those things. It's her, you know, being strategic and and but I think she, in the end, through an improvisation, is, you know, tied to sleeping with senior. And I, more than any other viewing, buy into her falling in love and motivated by her wanting to preserve the life and desires of Junior in this movie.

I mean, we get this reveal here where Connery gives this fucking awesome in these great custom frames that he's wearing or non frames that he's wearing and bust the vase over Harrison's head. Yeah. And it's so clear immediately where Harrison is just like, please love me, please love me, please love me. And he doesn't give him what he wants, and the chemistry is just right there. And the I should have sent it to the Marx Brothers.

And it sets up this is where we're going. From here, this is Marx Brothers for the second act for quite a while. Strap in. I'm a funny guy. I'm a I think that that whole little vignette or whatever in the in his room is is is such a just from a script perspective, like, you're immediately setting up this relationship, you know, that whole life everything you need to know.

Yeah. It's like, I'll never forgive myself. Dad, it's alright. It's like, oh, it's a fake. You know, like, the whole Yeah.

There's gold. He's always cared fake. Yeah. He's always cared more about other things than his son, and that immediately sets us off. We get Harrison or Indy's biggest biggest fault, really, is that he trusts too much.

And that's why Yeah. You know, like, that's his whole thing is that he trusts people. And he trusts Elsa and that fucked him up. And then he trusts Donovan and that proves to be didn't I tell you not to trust anyone, doctor Jones? You know, like I didn't kill my wife.

I don't But then we do. It is now a father son story, which I think is the part of this movie that is ultimately better than any other Indiana Jones movie is that that relationship. And they they really do try in Crystal Skull. They do try, but they don't do it. You know, they try to make that the crux of that movie.

And it it has, like, it has, like, twenty minutes maybe of of working, honestly, in that movie, Oh. Which is giving it a lot. But I I would say there's there's That was generous. There's, like, 20 I would say, like, the first twenty minutes of when we meet Mutt, there's stuff in that that's, like, valid, and then it and then it all does falls apart. This is part of why this movie works so well is that fifty five zero minutes into the movie, it becomes like a buddy comedy.

Yeah. Like, it shifts a gear Yeah. At this, like, crazy point that most movies cannot pull off. And When it automatically thrills you as an indie viewer because it's a new dynamic that you haven't you're going to see a new side of indie, so it's gonna feel fresh. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. The the nonspeaking acting, the Indiana wanting to be like, oh my god. Please, approval. When when he bust the bay vase over his head afterward, Harrison Ford is doing this incredible, very subtle nonspeaking acting Yeah.

During this moment. And the cut from where it's like, all the people that wanna fuck him over have been people like Donovan. Somebody helped me out with the with Raiders. Who was the name of the guy? Belloc.

Belloc. Belloc. These capable people Look. That that he wants it right, that who that Paul Freeman played, that he wants to be on his side. Yeah.

People that are his friends are like, Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to The Sudan. He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom. He'll blend in, disappear. You'll never see him again with any luck. He's got the grail already.

And it cuts to, does anyone speak English or even ancient Greek? Greek. Water? No. The fish make lemonade.

Make lemonade. These are the the other pure hearted moral people that he can actually kind of align with. I had some Well, so satisfied. Us. And, well, partly because they're so for for so badass as he can be, they're all kind of buffoons.

You know? They're all lovable dopes at times. And and I think part of it part of what makes, Indy so lovable is that, you know, this this trust is also just a level of naivety for you know, there's an innocence almost to Indiana. Mhmm. And so, like, that's what helps to love all these guys and wanna, like, root to them.

And it makes them really endearing. I think it's why it's hard to recast Indiana because I think it's so easy to recast somebody here. I mean, for a lot of reasons, Harrison's amazing. He's just kinda lovable. You know?

He's got Yeah. In a way of, like, he's flawed and he's, like, in this movie that he he's kinda being, like, nagged the whole time by people. And, like I told you. And he Don't call me junior. Yeah.

Just, like, you know Wow. Yeah. Great memories with that dog. You know? Just these constant, like and also, like One of my favorite lines is when he's, like, he's talking to his dad, and his dad's like, well, what do you wanna talk about?

And he's like, I can't think of anything. Yeah. He's just so deflated as a little boy again, and his dad's just like, then what are you complaining about? You know? Like, he gets so but it's it's all so just, like, it's loveable.

That's a brilliant line too. It's just real. It's a brilliant line too. All of us can say, like, there's something about our childhood that we're, like, can complain about. All of us can say something that there's that we about our parents Hey, asshole.

That we wish was different. You booked And our parents will always say, like, what do you want me to do? You know? I tried my best. So go back to the club.

What do you want me to do? And, like, both sides have a valid argument. And I think, like, this is the dialogue again, Tom Stoppard's dialogue between them is so fucking brilliant. I can't talk about it. The movie rides on it.

Yeah. Here. Take two of these. That innocence, though, like, that realness, that, like, authenticity is what is a nice balance to the bad guys, to the to the evil characters that, you know, Paul's talking about in terms of Different. Like, these archetypal evil, smarmy, mistrustful characters.

You know, for us, we're like, dude, this guy's a bad guy. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That's not the point almost. They kinda want you to know. Because of that, it it is important to the journey of Indy. This rich fucking dickhead Donovan showing up and kind of flexing status and do this for me and this team's missing and your dad's part of this team. And these people of status showing up and being fleeting and untrustworthy, and people like Sala and Brody showing backup and being consistent and reliable, I think, says something.

And the fireplace set piece Oh, great. Still works for me. The the Yeah. As you were saying, Damien, the the lucky four leaf clover lighter Yeah. Where they lose that here and it's said to be Indy's good luck charm, it's like, nah, brah.

The luck was in you the whole time. I need to tell you something. Junior junior, I need to tell you something. Not now, dad. Yeah.

And The the floor's on fire. The floor's on fire. The floor's on fire. It's such a and the music there for Williams is, like, boom, boom. Oh, god.

Yes. Like, it's just, like, this little, like, whimsy underneath it that, like, lightens the entire thing. The spinning in the fireplace and scene and We're gonna make it. We're gonna make it. It it makes it so and and Spielberg walking that line again where you could nothing that has tried to do it's so hard to do comedy and keep the stakes.

And, like, that you know, because it's all about them, like That's what makes that's why the the Marx Brothers thing is so perfect. I have to say that the Marx Brothers, you know, are also have they also have serious, you know, details to their films, but it's so depth, like, Marx Brothers comedy is very different than, like, other Yes. And it's the truth of the New Generation. Right? I mean, there's a lot of, like, physical comedy in this as well.

But it's so much about dialogue in terms of phrase and weaving things and misunderstandings and, you know, misunderstanding just each other and, like, the the comedy that comes out of that. That's why I think of Marx Brothers as a very, like, frankly, intelligent form of comedy. Yeah. You know, even though it does not seem to be that way, like, that's the intelligence of it. This is the the beauty of what this movie does in this moment where Indy sends the boat off, and we as an audience, especially if you haven't seen the movie, it's like another boat thing.

For a moment dad? If I haven't seen this Oh, dude. That's what I'm saying. Goes off and they get in the motorcycle, which you should've waited five seconds, and then Arrested Development does it again where it's like, we've got a decoy cooler, Michael. And it's like, what's it gonna buy us?

Ten seconds? Like, what's who cares? Yeah. But they should've I mean, I don't know. The motorcycles maybe would've caught them about the same.

Before you walk out of that. Wait wait. Let them go out in the water for a while. Yeah. The the motorcycle chase is so great.

We get these escalations of how people are traveling and the risks of when you're traveling and throwing spikes and spokes and shit like this. And the stakes become massive as this is part of why I give it a 4.5 is okay. They have the map, but they have no idea how to get through the traps. Maybe they would have figured it out eventually. I don't know.

Movie's gotta happen. So they they they go after the Nazis because Henry senior wants it back, the diary, and That whole has the answers to get through the traps. That that that that when they stop on the motorcycle of, like, okay. The translation. The the and also just the conversation there is so great.

And and and the dynamic of putting Henry Jones senior in this little sidecar, you know, like, the look like, there's a moment where where where where Indy is I almost called him junior. Where Indy is so proud of taking down one of the motorcyclists, and he looks back at him and he smiles at his dad, and his dad's scowling. And you see him, like like, I could like, I couldn't I can't even impress you with the fact that I just got away from a bunch of fucking Nazis. That didn't even do it for you. And this this happens a few times, which is awesome.

But this is where it pays off. He cashes his feet again. In that, this whole time, he's been this kind of goofy, aloof, but also unimpressed father figure that Henry can't connect with. When they stop, you find out why. You you understand who he is because he's not impressed because action is not impressive to him.

To him, it's about life and death. It is it's the slap for blasphemy. It's the he's a you see the serious side of him. This this disciplined side to him. This is why one of the reasons why I think this movie is so powerful is that a lot of it is and I grew up Catholic.

I I grew up around educators. Like, I knew a lot of people that were like this, that were they were devout. I grew up in the Jesuit community, especially. There's a certain flavor to it. Nothing at all.

And this is what I love about, like, this movie is, like, the grail. There's Is it plain? Like, I think Is it vanilla? Nothing at all. Is it plain?

Insultative? Butterscotch, baby. But but but there's, like, this reverence to talking to having the grail be the MacGuffin. It it adds there's this history. This is kind of this otherworldly, this deistic aspect to it.

And you have somebody like him that's, like, it is about belief and it is about life and death and it is about also, like, academics, but it is about there's just there's a severity and a reverence and a discipline that makes him very intimidating in that moment to be like, oh, shit. I feel like a little kid when I'm around him, not ready for this. When you say severity, that's what strikes a chord for me. Like I said, this was a 4.5 before I rewatched this, and you articulate articulated perfect point to flub a word. It's way better than I could is that I, as a viewer, as, the game, I think that all they have is the map.

They don't know how to get through the traps. It doesn't matter. They'll never get through this, etcetera. But as you were saying, Damien, the stakes of the way that Connery sells that I feel in this viewing of there cannot be even a whisper of a percent of a chance, fucking balls to the fucking grindstone, whatever, no percentage chance that these people Get it. Yeah.

Like, make it through this mission. And His performance and John Williams It's so good. Sell that. It's so good. You can be like you can tell the audience the grail is really powerful and that you don't want the Nazis to get it.

When he says that and the music plays, you believe it. The invincible army thing You're like, shit. Those things I don't understand. Then I Yes. We can't let this happen.

You're right. This is the other thing that stuck out to me more so than any other as Indiana Jones gets the, you know, the arrogance of Adolf Hitler is I don't know who this guy is. I can't read English. I don't know what this book is. He must want my autograph because I'm fucking Adolf Hitler.

The the arrogance of that is so and the way it's shot and stuff is so great. And then the teaser when Spielberg is grabbing the actor and saying, I wanna punch you so bad is so satisfying too. But after this book burning and Indy retrieves the diary from the music is incredible. And this is the first time I've watched this movie, and I'm like, oh, Elsa loves this guy. Elsa is on the same side as this guy.

She's one of those shitty people that essentially made the decision of, well, I just did what I thought I had to do to survive. I mean, that's what the ruling, whatever. It really hit me more than ever. But Elsa's an archaeologist, so I think kinda like Belloc. They've both given up their souls to the Nazis because they think they can help them get the thing that they've always wanted.

Actually don't think she does love him, and I actually appreciate that. I actually think she does fall for him. Love is purely the prize. And that's obviously a flaw. Okay.

Like, I think she cares about the archaeology. She cares about the history. I don't think she gives a shit about the Nazis. I think she likes that too. I think she's real.

I think yeah. I mean, I think she's drawn to him. I think because she can see that, like, desire in him and his father in different ways. For her, it's like you guys see like I do. I'm not like the Nazis.

We're archaeologists. We want the grail, what it means, how important it is. This is a gift to us. And and so I think that actually ultimately I think I agree with Damien. I think that, like, it's not about the it's not about him and it's not about the power, like, for Donovan or the Nazis.

It's about the arc the finding the treasure. It's about finding the thing that, like, this is the ultimate thing. But I think she does a pre I think her and Indie probably got a little, like Yeah. They have great chemistry. They probably, like, did four or five different, In d You know?

In d Down. Right. Missionary. Who knows? Doggy, maybe cowgirl.

Reverse cowgirl. All sorts of stuff. Yeah. Cool stuff. But the My virgin ears are married?

I guess What do you mean now? I have a child, but there's What you guys are saying, I agree with. I also enjoy the exposition of Connery saying, if the Nazis get this, they will have invincible armies marching across the world Yeah. Which, like, makes the stakes, like, insanely high, but believable in this Indiana Jones world. And it's smart to not, like, overexplain it.

Right. And the every piece of exposition, I love the set pieces. I wanna get through the set pieces to the exposition because the exposition is all so vital. And it's not just the exposition of, like, I love you, you love me, we're happy family, or we'd like to be, but it's just things like no ticket when he punches Vogel. Yeah.

No ticket. No. We're oh, we're going back to Germany. The realization of that in that moment on the Zeppelin The Zeppelin mom yeah. With the whole Zeppelin sequence.

Brilliant. And and getting them to finally, like, connect. Because that since they've been found, they've just been, like we've seen them. They've just been on the run. And then seeing them connect, hearing these things about, like, his mom dying, and there's so much trauma shared between them.

And they're not willing to really talk about it, and it's it's sad and it's real. It feels like a real father son masculinity bullshit. Yeah. And also not lacking love. Like, it's obvious he loves his son.

Let him call. But also, like, that they see the world and they see their relationship and their history together so differently. And that is very common. There's It's incredibly real. There's interesting levels of machismo in this movie where Connery's machismo is, in this movie, the intellectual or the scholarly, and Harrison Ford's is the the literal and the physical and the, like, I bested these people and shot them.

And where there's there's still, like, this lack of vulnerability that's happening when Sean Connery shoots the tail of the plane when they're escaping the Zeppelin, and he says, sorry, son. They got us. They got us. They're honest with each other, but not. They're it's only two levels.

It's a brilliant scene, like, the whole Zeppelin to the plane, to the ground. The set piece of that is so brilliantly shot, and the comedy is so well timed. The plane losing its wings and going through the tunnel. You know, I'm just Love the green screen. Love it.

Yeah. Yeah. I was just saying there's there's some, like, some of the 89 green screens stuff doesn't it it looks like a green screen screen, but it's fine. Like Show of hands. Sorry to interrupt you, Benjamin.

Show of hands. Who would prefer models, dummies, green screen to what we mostly see from CG the last fifteen years? Raise your hand. My hand is raised. Ben, oh my goodness.

And, Damian, we all would prefer what we saw in this movie compared to what What is in? In something we've seen in the last several years. And Spielberg talked about that in the behind the scenes where he was saying, like, there's just you know, when we have so many people on set working on so many different things in the moment, we inevitably just have more attention put to the filmmaking as a whole, which I think is a really good point. Everything is being done practically, and there's not a lot of, like, well, I guess we can just, you know, CG some seagulls in. Like, even the seagulls, the I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne, not the rocks and the trees and the birds, whatever.

The the whole thing was like they had trained they had seagulls and pigeon, but they couldn't train seagulls. Seagulls won't train. You can't train them to fly up. So they put on a bunch of models of seagulls on the beach, and they just so instead they just put like fake seagulls out there, and they used doves and a bunch of feathers that, like, they put up with the doves to make it look like seagulls flying away. Usually, we just tape a bunch of feathers.

Works. It looks fucking great. And because today today you just go Some of that is seamless ish. Yeah. And this is also the moment where Sean Connery, James Bond shows to Indiana Jones another version of a similar archetype.

Here's my usefulness. He's so smart that he gets the seagulls to fly up and and knock the plane down. And there, again, is a moment of Harrison Ford acting with no dialogue, showing with body language and expression. I'm fucking impressed. Yeah.

Like, damn. I don't have to, like, necessarily babysit you. This is great. And the also kind of foreshadowing weird kind of very appropriate example of people who are involved with warmongering or skirmishes or things of this nature, especially of ruling class, where it's like, we'll give you a fucking super cool car. And the That seems great.

The ruler is like, great. I'm gonna give you guys you can sacrifice. I'm gonna give you tanks. I'm gonna give you food. Anything you need.

Thanks for the cool car. Well, first, they offer them just, like, treasure that they clearly just stole from Jewish people in their country. Oh, yeah. The finest families in Germany. There's supposed to be the finest Jewish families in Germany in the script, and they changed it.

No shit. Yeah. I like the subtlety of cutting that, actually. There's a level of that that I I actually like that. Yeah.

I think it's just up to as much as I'd be like It goes without saying. Being honest with yeah. I feel like I think you can still pick up on it. And, also, it's just it would really, like Dampen the mood. Yeah.

It's just I mean, it would really be hard for it to make a ton of sense just like That's the thing about the tone that tone wise, tonally. With with Nazis is and this is why, partially, I don't think crystal skull works is, like, I get why Soviets are like a avatar for Nazis here, but the way that he uses them in both Raiders and this is they're just iconically evil. Marvel does it with hydra. Right? Like, they're just you just understand immediately that whoever wears this symbol Quite simple.

That person can die, and we will be okay with that. Yeah. And that is an important part of these movies. And the, showing the tank that we have them in the belly of that iron beast, you know, the that they've Good line. It's it's a great I've got something I have to talk about that, but come keep going.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh. I was just gonna say that my brothers and I have and my sister have always laughed at this line. My brother, would would would talk and just kinda gripe about, like, you have this Salah, this guy who's, like, this worldly dude who's been in, like Yeah.

Conflicts and shit. This is, like, way after World War one. We're on the precipice of World War two, and the motherfucker's never seen a tank. Like, well, he's, like, this belly of this foul this steel beast. Like Have you ever have you ever seen a tank?

No. But this guy is, like, this guy probably saw the fall of, like, the Ottoman Empire. Yeah. I I like that he maybe doesn't know how to communicate that. Is that does that make sense?

I I and I mean, I don't know if that makes sense, but this is And that might have been the wrongest to win, like, tanks winning. It's also poetic. It's just a little bit of depth. A little primitive, like, in ways. Sure.

Yeah. I think that's maybe where, like, the the kinda laugh, like, the or the gripe about it. It's like it's like, let's make him feel like seem a little bit more like the exotic Middle Easterner dude who doesn't quite, like who's a little more Yeah. Or as primitive than but he's yeah. And he's in Wales.

Toss me. Slam the backdoor on that. The desert chase goes with Indy here. The desert chase is phenomenal. The set pieces in this movie, they flow.

You know when sometimes you can watch, like, especially, like, modern blockbusters, you can tell they've built the movies around the set pieces? Yes. Yeah. Where you're like, oh, they thought that this should be, like, the aircraft carrier that gets Right. Whatever.

And you're like, okay. They got the set piece, and they then they built the set. This doesn't feel that way. Even if that's what they thought of, it feels everything flows naturally, and it just has such a great level of stakes. Each one of them, you they're not world ending stakes.

They're always drawn to the personal stakes of of the characters. I agree with you and I disagree with you where there is a level of My birthday. Fantasy. World ending stakes where if the Nazis get this grail, this is gonna be a massive problem, and it is the end of the world. Sure.

Don't know. Like, it doesn't eclipse the relationship of, like, I really want this guy and his dad to get along. It's really fucking important to me. 100%. Has resonated more than it has now than ever.

And also the score too, where it's, like, so definitive. The camera is wild. No. But so definitive in this tank chase. It's it sets the tone, bruh.

You know, this the tank just allows for them to have so many different levels of the set piece. I feel like a modern filmmaker wouldn't chew on this one tank. Seriously, it's one tank Yeah. As much as Spielberg chews on it in this sequence. You know?

It's so smart though because you have guys like John senior and Brody who Yeah. They can't be riding on horses and, like, you know, getting in fights. Instead, do you put them in a little you put them in a little box and they have to be cunning and they have to be, you know and there's moments to be funny, but they don't have to be like, he's junior is out there just, like, getting his, like, ass kicked and they get thrown off the all those things. It's smart to have a space for them to go and be a part of that, but it not feel out of sorts and and 100%. They're not fighting they're not fighting a dude with, like, a sword.

And you can peck in the one liners and you exactly. And you can kind of, like, create moments for character. If it was a modern movie, that dude would be fighting someone with the sword 100%. The pen is mightier, though, than the sword, Benjamin. And this this is what's beautiful about the the seagull setup and Indy being impressed is, again, the foreshadowing has already shown us this person is capable of thinking their way out of a situation.

Like, it's like fucking chef's kiss that he grabs the fountain pen and squirts it, and that's what changes the tide. And it's already been shown to us that he is capable of this with the Seagulls. Everything is set up and knocked down I just perfectly. I just wanna call out casually Denton Elliott's performance, is so brilliant. Down to the okay.

To wet your whistle, Marcus, well, I'd rather spit in your face. But as I don't have any spit, it's such a fucking he throws it away. He throws that line away, but it it's so brilliantly And they take they take it. They take it away before he drinks it. The canteen before he takes the sip.

This is where it's also, like, I have to forgive, like, fake bookcases and bad squibs or what have you or where Indy's stuck on the tank gun, and it's like, just raise your arm higher. You'll drop out. You're fine. And he somehow climbs back onto this tank really easily. I don't think he will, though.

If he just raised his his left arm really high, he will get dropped out from the He might. He might. That's a very good point. See you. We're filling in the holes.

You're bad. Yeah. Oh, come on. Let's get let's get the My bad. Let's get the Mythbusters on that, Paul.

I wanna put you on there. He easily climbs what fucking happens if you raise your fucking arm, you fucking piece of shit. He easily climbs back onto this tank. Like, the satchel is no longer. But this viewing, again, where I'm really watching it, I'm like, I don't care.

Keep going. Movie, keep happening. Please, more movie. Go. Dude, even when Sean Connery is getting, like, he's on the fucking tread, and he's got the lid on the back.

You need a massage? Is that what you're saying? I need that fucking tank thread. Tread. Oh my god.

Because I was say I was thinking, like, that feels like he would be, like, fucked up. Like, that would Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fuck up your back your your entire life. The music again, I think that the key thing Yes.

There aren't it's not this movie, and we all know a lot of the kinda go to themes in it, but there are other more memorable thematic movies that he has done, in my opinion. Yeah. Even though there's some really amazing ones in that, you know, that are go through the indie movies and are unique to this one. What I think is even more impressive is the pace that he sets. It's he's the metronome to all of this and kind of, like, allowing you to keep that.

Like, the the these moments of, like, of your kind of momentum going with the action pieces. Like like, it it is in tandem with that dialogue where they're peppering in jokes and humor and lightness, but also, like, moments of connection. Like, he's, like, the other pairing to that that makes it really work and allow push you along, like, you're just, like, going with it. You're on, like, a perfect humming jog with this Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. This, Damien, this is the gospel. The there should be, like, a directed by Spielberg, post production directed by John Williams via music. The music is that fucking good where the tank goes off the cliff and Indiana Jones could be dead. And Oh, the relationship tank you mean with, like, the body?

I prefer it prefer it. No. No. I don't do. But every time I see that, like, fake Nazi torso on top of the tank, and, like, the tank goes into two pieces, and then the dude's torso is still in the same place.

It's still in the same place. I'm like, you hold on real tight, man. Like, this whole tank fell apart relentless, man. Yeah. Gentlemen, gentlemen, he was a racist Nazi.

Oh. The worst Nazi imaginable. He was a racist Nazi. So you never know what could happen. Are you guys gonna have a Joel Siskel?

I I appreciate that. And that this the thing that happens right here in this moment is that Junior gets the affirmation of, like, I got everything I needed that if I were dead, my dad would really be fucking stirred up about it, unhappy. Yeah. And it happens at the very end of act two. And how do where do we go from here?

That's the question that I feel like you have to I couldn't do this with other movies, but I was able to do it with this. How do you escalate this from here? How does it get bigger than this? You hit the emotional crescendo of data approval. Where are we from here?

I'm not gonna be all. And then you shoot dad. Dude, the little journey to Alexandretta But that but that is but that's how you escalate it. Right? Well, yes.

And the people that I just got him. I finally got him, like, not just in this, like, adventure, but in my life. And Yeah. Now he might be taken from me. Yeah.

Dude, it's a I'm starting to turn here. The and that where I is, I think, is this is better than Raiders in the end. Mhmm. I agree. Because the final set piece is so personal to Indy.

Yes. That final task that only he is capable of doing, he does this only because his dad is dying. And, like, right, like, that is the only reason he walks this this path. Otherwise, why he wouldn't do it, and they would fail. And that is where, you know, people famously say, like, take Indiana Raiders, the same thing still happens.

Right? They open the the ark and they all die, which is true. And I think that this is that is where this movie succeeds on Raiders is that it it makes it so fucking personal for him where he's like, you know what? Like, now my dad is dying. Fuck it.

I'm gonna do everything in my power to get this. When Julian Glover, when Donovan has now revealed himself to be a Nazi and turns to senior when junior says, you can't make me do this. You you can't you can't kill me. And he says, you know what? You're right.

And shoots Henry Jones senior right after junior got approval from his dad in that, like, oh my god. You're alive. I need you alive. I love you. It's just like, oh my god.

You escalated this. Holy shit. Like, the beauty of the writing here, Indiana being a servant to the thing that his dad did for his entirety of his life that made him resent his dad is fucking brilliant. And keeping the comedy in the cuts, it's it's nearly maybe y'all will disagree with me. I think where Sean Connery is, like, bleeding out and he's going through the traps and he says, but in, Latin, Jehovah starts with an I, and it cuts to Harrison Ford going, j.

J. And the tone. Everything about it is perfect. It's great. It is great because it also shows you he is bringing it back.

He's a flawed hero. Let that we don't and that we don't get a lot of especially now, we don't get a lot of flawed heroes in this way. Then he remembers, like, right in Latin. Jehovah's Ark. Yeah.

Like, he's fumbling his way through this. Like, he's scared. Yeah. This isn't like I'm making my way to the final boss, and I'm just, like, crushing it. You know, I'm facing a lot of challenges.

I'm having to kill these, you know, powerful bad guys or whatever. It's like this is purely a test of will and courage and trust. Yes. Uh-huh. That it's purely vulnerability.

This entire tasks are all about a leap of faith. Every single one is about having faith. That is the entire thing here. And belief in the father, I think that is a a big thing. And for and forgiving the father for misdeeds or Yeah.

Not This is I think it's, like, it's even the the leap of faith that Indy does take where the second thing where he has to step out from the mouth of the lion, that it's established with x marks the spot where he goes up the stairs. Even foreshadowing in the camerawork, this movie misses no fucking beats. It leaves no, like, no no protein. There's no way. The steak is fucking toast.

That's it. It's done. This is also why the the grail as the MacGuffin and why this, like, kinda underbelly of or this undercurrent of, like, Catholicism, Christianity. I mean, like, I'm not practicing Catholic. That's not my spirituality, but, like, there's so much to play with there.

Your weed smoking wizard shirt says otherwise, sir. Aw, dude. Grim to gear. There is just something so potent about belief, faith, this, like, old ancient like, even this whole as he's going through with makes it makes this whole Denu Ma compelling is that you're, like, you feel his he's scared. He's excited.

None of us know. We've watched this movie a thousand times, and sometimes I still feel like I don't know what he's gonna find. Yeah. Is it and also there. He he he's working entirely off of impulses at this point.

He's not a genius about this stuff. Yeah. His dad is. Exactly. And, like, he's kind of purposely blocked all of this stuff out of his personal, like, journey.

And he's mightier. Shouldn't he teach you? But he's currently now just, like and this is where it's, like, when we get to finally finding the night, which is, I think, one of the most brilliant Love it. Magical moments of Indiana Jones' whole thing. The Raider Raiders, the whole, like, electric c c c that comes out is great, but, like, boogaloo.

None of the other movies have actually captured the magic of this moment of, like, oh, it's real. Like, this is real. This magic is real. What the fuck is this? Your worst nightmare, butthorn.

The band. Yeah. And these people can live forever. It's it costs something, and that's important. Music and lighting too.

Oh, yeah. 100 and and performance? Yes. But that when we get Donovan in this room and, like, knowing, like, this final task here, this final test is one of a a personal test that we if you're looking at me and you're saying you pick one of these, eternal life. Otherwise, you're fucked.

And there's, like, I don't know, 25 things. I'm like, yeah. I'm good. I'm good, man. 50 You know Donovan's gonna fail.

This is the first time this is why I know Donovan's gonna fail, and this is the first time it's really hit me because I've never sat and really watched this movie in many years. Elsa kills Donovan. She straight up murders him Totally. Because he says, I'm not a historian, and there's a camera, a one of her being like, well, I am. And directs him to a cup that he says this certainly is Cup of Kings.

Cup of the king of kings. And it's like, yeah. This guy knows nothing. And this is where I feel like Elsa is like maybe the what you're saying is more correct where it's like archaeology and history and preservation more so than Indiana, but I think there's a level in the performances. I think Allison Doody and Denholm Elliott are the unheralded MVPs of this movie.

But the this this is where it also hits me when Donovan drinks from the cup, and he doesn't respect the where it comes from, where it originates. The pen is mightier than the sword that that the movie has set this up. That the that the pen is, and that it it it literally explodes him from fucking existence. It's such there's a moment in the time machine to give my pat myself on the back, but also it's in the book when the time traveler is escaping and and is the Morlock has a little fight and then, like, she pushes on to the lever, and the Morlock holds on to the time machine. And this is a whole conversation that's had where it's like, I moved through time, but for the Morlock, time moved through it, and it ages rapidly.

That is in the book, but I I remember when I was directing it in the scene, I Brandon, who plays the Morlock, I was like, this is your Indiana Jones death. Because that's the death here. I think we said earlier, it's Raiders elevated. Seeing the, the the the clay or the the model and it the the way that it shrinks and turns into a skull and then turns into dust and becomes nothing and then blows away, and we see this Nazi emblem. And it's like, fuck that guy.

I'm glad he died in the worst fucking possible way. Well and it's also, I think, a statement of that state of mind, that stance, that belief, like Nazism, that is on the ash heap of history. Like, that means nothing. All you are is, like, here's a fucking participation pin, you fucking monster. Also, I love that That's what it turns out to be, which I think is pretty cool.

The knight chose the right cup clearly and then just put it back? I guess. Because he knew that he was that was his duty. I'm I'm gonna That was his duty. Put it back.

That's the whole point. The the brother of the cruciform sword, dog. No. I know. I just think it's funny.

He's been sitting for four hundred years, and he's just like, no. I was gonna sit here and wait. I was gonna say, like, dude, if he you could say the one with the lipstick on it. Like, someone's gonna know that shit. Like I feel like if I were there for four hundred years, I would have jerked off in every single one of Just slugged one out, like, every day for seven hundred years.

Guys, does anybody does it hit anybody as hard or harder when Elsa right after Donovan dies and becomes part of the ash heap of history with Nazism, she says to India immediately, like, it would be the cup of a car. She leads she helps lead him. Yeah. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I mean, I think that's the thing is that, like, she doesn't want it to be in the hands of the Nazis. And I don't know if she would have, like, was was thinking about this the whole time. I think she had an opportunity and was like All I have to do is scream. All I have to do is scream.

That's all she has to do. She doesn't take it. But, like, that's that's the thing is that, like, she's got this opportunity, like, oh my god. He really is putting it in my hands. Let's smoke this fool.

Like, she doesn't isn't even saying, like, whether or not killing somebody is whatever. You know? She's literally because she's and she's not doing it because of Harrison. She's not doing it because of I don't think so either. She's doing it because of the cup.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's a same it's a similar, but maybe not quite as blind version of what he does at the end where he can't help but be like, it's the fucking cup. Like and I and I review it and I care about it. I'm not looking to harm people with it, but, like, I'm still drawn to it.

It's my prize or it's the prize that I could have. And, ultimately, it's letting go of that. I mean, she's a further way where she's willing to do whatever it takes to get that prize. Yeah. For him, though, he still is, like, I don't have to kill anybody right now, and I could still get it.

You know? And and his dad is just, like, he I mean, I don't know. We're not there quite yet. No. No.

We can get there. She is an interesting I think it's subtly the you talking about it, I just appreciate just her as a character so much more. She's she's drawn to the same she's she's the same thing as Indy. She but she's giving up more to an evil entity to get what she wants. But just to get to the the moment because it I've been putting off talking about this moment the whole time just because it is the moment I cry every single time in this movie.

I don't go into the movie thinking I'm going to. When he he brings he brings it back and he he gives the water to his dad and he and he brush and it's a great effect, brushing off the bullet, and it just disappears. Yeah. That is actually a really underrated, like, well done effect. I love the superman effect.

And it's and it's just like foam in a shaved area of body or what it's it's phenomenal. Baking soda or something. Yeah. Yeah. The juxtaposition between you can't leave, that's the sacrifice you give.

So, like, the whole buildup to this thing being something that could pre provide this, like, eternal army is is false. Right? Because they can't if you become eternally alive, you get that, but you you can't actually leave this temple. And it's like, well, that sucks because that that's not that's not living. She she finds it and she starts, and it's like, Elsa, Elsa, honey.

Elsa, don't go past that. And the fact that she's willing to give up everything, that he's like, I can't hold on to you. I can't hold on to you. Like, give me your other hand. And she and she is.

She's driven. She this is all she's ever cared about. Fuck the Nazis. Fuck anybody. I want this.

This is the prize, and she falls into the abyss. And that the crumbling of the earth and that Indy is now then faced. And he's, like, he he's literally closer than Elsa was, and he's got a finger on it, and he can get it. Oh, yes. He's, like, I I'm so I am so close to getting the thing that my dad has wanted his entire life.

I'll best my dad. Yeah. But it's not but it's not about it's getting it it's like it's like this getting it for his dad. Like, there's a there's like a lovely Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That's how I take it. It's like a getting there, like, I can get it, dad. I can get it. It's right here. And this is, like, where I get goosebumps because we have this term now, but they didn't have this term in 1989.

But it's like, his dad gives him his chosen name. Right. This whole time, he's he's called him by his birth name or his dead name if you want to, you know. He's called him Henry or Indie or or I'm sorry, or Junior. Junior.

And this and this and the sound here disappears, and there's just like this Indiana. And that's what gets Harrison let's go get Indy to look at him. For the other side, it's like, this is the thing I've given up my son for. I've given my son up for this, and I don't care about it anymore. All I care about is keeping my son.

That whole sequence, you could take away the entire movie, strip away the whole movie, and that sequence will will still make me cry. It makes the entire movie worth it. It makes the entire adventure worth it. Yeah. That's it's the ultimate emotional stakes and the and the the other movies just don't have.

You don't feel that with the readers. She's great. Their relationship's great. It's it's I like it. Yeah.

This thing, we feel it. Those moments, we're feeling it so much, and it's not about adventure. It's not about Nazis. It's not about danger and being a badass and whips and, you know, anything. It's about just, like, the love of these two people.

That's pretty rare to find landed so authentically and thoughtfully and movingly in an adventure pulp story. You know? Yeah. Yes. I will say there's a piece of me that was teetering between maybe going back to a 4.5 depending on how this conversation went.

We'll see. I love that I see Indi really wanting to get the grail to best his dad as a way to show his dad, like, you did great. I'm even better than you. You did as well or better as a father than you even thought you did, way better than I thought. Look what I can do.

And also the level of me believing that Elsa could be motivated, especially in the all I have to do is scream moment, where there is a level of not only, like, respect and reverence and wanting the grail, but there is a level of as archaeologists, she's like, oh, this is my equal, but you two are right in when at the very end where she's willing to risk her life and die for the honorarium of getting the grail or whatever that means to her. She Wilhelm Square screams her way out of that. So great. And the the night tonight moment where Sir Sean Connery looks at sir Yeah. Gentleman of the Chris Christopher Plummer.

The crusade, John Gielgud, whomever it is. And they kinda do the raptor to T Rex in Jurassic World, like, you good dog? And the other one goes, I'm good dog. Except for you guys. Yeah.

We're cool. You guys were supposed to take my job over, man. Like, what? You trash this place. Yeah.

I know. That's what I was thinking too. He's like That moment is great, though. That and that, I think, steps you steeps you back into this reverence for, like, the history. I think this is so embedded in just, like, the scale of history.

Some bit strings on TV. He's taking a moment to look at the past for one last time. He's literally seeing the past as a historian. He's seeing he's seeing a a fucking mummy alive, you know, or a statue breathing in front of him. And so I think for him, it is like this, like, you know, there's that's a really powerful moment and then it's Super is.

Yeah. Like, amidst all this, something bigger and greater was that play and has been in motion. And it's It's one of the things that the movies that come after this don't capture for me is that they don't feel like they capture that sense of magic. Yeah. There's a wonder.

Yeah. The end the end of this movie is just so touching to me. Because again, like, the fact that we discover the name, which which is such a great name, Indiana Jones is is a chosen name. It makes so much sense too. Like, no one's named fucking Indiana, you know.

And so, like, well, now they are. Now people are named like fucking Apple or or Pilot inspector. Tylenol or I don't know. There's weird I need it. Don't ever mind telling this podcast again.

I'm so sorry, Tylenol. See the minute from five hundred milligram. I love it. Man. Like, I know that we all get all choked up about that, like, gripping like, reaching for the let him get let it go Indiana.

Don't get the cup. Like, my daughter dropped her milk cup the other day, and she was reaching for it. And I was like, get it. Like, what? And she was like, help.

Help. And I'm like I don't wanna deal with the aftermath. Just Jeez. Just get it. Damien, you make an excellent point.

Thank you. There are things that your daughter can't communicate, and there are things that junior and senior in this film can communicate that are communicated with so little actual dialogue where senior says, you know, their junior is like or Look at that transition. What what'd you get is beautiful. What'd you get, and senior says illumination. Yeah.

Everything is done in so such a small amount of words. Like, it's I don't think it's fair that senior asked junior on the Zeppelin, like, okay. We have time now, and it's if I'm Now what? Like, dude, I'm not fucking 15. I needed this when I was 15, man.

But there's also a truth to senior saying you weren't interesting when you were 15. Yeah. I think he's just very real with him. Yeah. And and That's rough.

At that point, it's still creating conflict that they see the world differently. Well, that's where I see the world differently. And that, like, to him, he's like, I tell you self reliance. I never asked you to do this. I never made you do this.

Like, are you kidding? Like, I made you who you are today. And whereas of to him, that's, like, that's, incredible gift. And to his son, he's like, I just need you to love me. And and and the but by the end, they're seeing their differences there, and they're finding compromise for each other, appreciating those things in each other and having he's not a kid anymore.

This is the thing I think I realized more than any other other viewing, and Damien, you really just hit the nail on the head, is that at the end of the movie, Junior really fully realizes and respects his father's coping for the loss of his mother and diving into the grail diary and a sense of purpose, and that scholarly endeavors and being book smart and quoting Charlemagne and aggravating the birds is just as valuable as knowing to shoot a guy who's swinging a sword at you. And this movie makes it really emphasizes more than any other movie in the series or any other piece of the series that Indiana is physically and mentally capable, and he became mentally capable because of his dad and physically because of the level of his dad being like, you do what you do. I don't know. I I think that also, though, he accepts his dad. You know?

I don't even know if it's so much fun. Like, I mean, I think he does learn to appreciate him more and more, but a lot of it is more acceptance of it. Like, his dad doesn't change that much. I mean, his dad starts to, like, show him some more appreciation and show obviously, it helps to have those moments where he's like, god. I should trust that my dad loves me, that I don't have to be these things.

And those are very powerful, but a lot of it is is more for him just being like, look. He's my dad and I love him. Makes it super powerful. Fucking a. We're at the end of this movie.

We all rated this as a five. I think we all were on each other's poles, hands up and down and the whole deal, but we'll that remains to be seen. Damien, we've talked about this for quite a while. Yeah. I wish I would have allowed you to talk more.

I'm so sorry. I feel like I talked more than I, should have. So you're good. No. In editing, I'll wish I spoke way less.

I, I don't think I like this movie, and I'll tell you why. You guys are good for a while. Right? Let's go back to the beginning. No.

I just had a movie. Let's start the movie. No. It's so dumb moments. It's so funny how I came into this, like, thinking about prompts and thinking about, like, how we're gonna probably I think the most compelling conversation will probably be talking about, like, comparing it to Raiders and things.

No. We've touched on that. And and we might even kind of, like, talk about that a tiny bit as we're wrapping up the rankings and stuff. You just dive into this movie and, like, we kinda stopped making jokes, and we kinda stopped we just got so deep into, like, how earnestly wonderful this movie is and how the depth of it. And it's so the movie is so effortless that you're just not constantly grappling with that the depth that it provides makes me just appreciate it all the more.

I mean, that that hasn't necessarily changed my mind about anything per se, but the fact that we just were able to kind of, like, get into just a groove talking about this movie on on so so many different levels. There's so many things I still wanna go back and, like, talk about. It's just like a an a nod to how incredible it is. It's a celebration, man. Yeah.

Yeah. This is a birthday party after all. It is. So yeah. I yes.

It is still it is still five Wilhelm screams for Damien. That was your Wilhelm scream? Yeah. It's usually that it's usually higher pitch. Yeah.

Ah. Damien, how do you rate the movie Alien three directed by David Fincher regardless of what he would care to say? I have not seen it. Okay. Benjamin?

Yeah. Yes. I love this movie. It's still five for me. And I think the thing I've always said, and I now I I don't know if that's true.

But the thing I've always said is, like, that Raiders is a better movie and that this is a more fun movie. But I think script wise, I think this might be a better movie. Yeah. But I I still think I still have a real problem. This is a personal problem with awarding a movie slap in in the franchise as a better version of the one that comes before it because the one that comes before it is so critical to the success of the one that comes after it.

You just simply do not get it. You know, like, you just simply logically, you just do not get it. I will still say that, you know, when people ask me what my favorite movie is and I have to default, I probably will still say Raiders. But I am very, I'm very close to saying that Glass Crusade is a better movie. And I I might feel very timid and weird right now like a child, but that's because these movies have just been such a big part of Oh.

My Oh, your friendly little kid. And I I am kind of a little kid. I like to keep that little I say. You call me Judas. Yeah.

Yes. That's fair. No. I I think that's a very fair point, Ben. Yeah.

I that is the hard thing about comparing movies. I mean, even like, I would say that, like, even, like, I'm not, like, gonna sit here and be like, dude, I'm the I am the last crusade guy. It's my favorite movie. And yet it's partly because I have a ton of movies that I love, and I just can't Princess Bride was my favorite movie for a very, very long of a huge part of my life. I still love it just as much as I did.

I don't know. It's like so some in some ways, the reason why I love this movie is that it can fit into that spot when there's no other clear winner. I'm like, you know what? I feel confident and in good hands putting, Last Crusade there because it's just Yeah. It's you know what I mean?

It's like like, I've got all these other ones that I can I can make a deep argument for? And since I can't decide, that is who I entrust with that seat, that chair. Yeah. You Because it's just, to me, flawless, and it's just You fun and it's good vibes. That's what movies ultimately, even when they're dark, should be about is making you feel and and feel good or feel feeling good can mean a lot of different things.

You know? So, you know what I'm saying? That's why Debbie Does Dallas is at four, in my top. No. I No.

You don't even need it. Oh, fuck. I, so it but so it's hard to compare these movies and including, like, things like what comes first. I just ultimately you know, talking about this, I actually do think there's there is more even though we think of Raiders as a a moodier movie or darker, one that pushes you maybe a little more, takes you out of your comfort zone a little bit more in in certain ways, at least tone tone tonistically, if that's a word. Totally.

Totally. Ben, shut up. I know. Sorry. But I Tonistically.

I think there's so much there's so many layers to this that you just don't even always realize, and that I think that it doesn't get credit for. Yeah. Okay. That's very fair. Okay.

Damien, you made just such an excellent point. Someone touched on it in this recording where Probably Mica. There is something about this. And I said it two hour and seven minute movie that clips right along. Yeah.

And doing this for three years, not every two hour and seven minute movie does that. Yeah. Not every hour and twenty minute movie does that. Yeah. And Raiders doesn't clip along like this.

No. And as much as I love Marion Ravenwood, surrendering the torch kind of from Connery to Connery performance. Holy shit. To Harrison Ford is like, you're the fucking guy. Yeah.

I But what you have both said, Robocop, White Man Can't Jump, Leone the Professional, The Fly, there are movies that I hold in extremely high echelon. I would rather watch this movie than That was an awesome movie in my top five, ten. So for me, the stakes that are here are not nearly as high as the stakes of this movie or the film Under Siege. It's not a franchise. It's just it's two movies, somebody.

But the is this I think this is in my top five. I I I think I like this better than Raiders. The I think the fucking gravitas that Connery comes in with with my life experience and viewing experience that the the baton handoff is flawless. Olympic gold medal winning flawless. And I do think that, like, I think the Karen Allen relationship, I think she's great.

I don't I honestly don't think they totally land the plane in helping us understand that relationship in the history. Like, growing up, I was always confused as to, like It's a little weird. Like, who who's her I was a teenager and you were was she? Yeah. I actually believe it.

I I think they don't totally land what their relationship is, and I I think they have awesome moments. I think they have, like, an interesting chemistry. I think she's great. But I She's incredible. I don't I am not like, at the end, when they're in danger, I'm not like I'm like, I don't want her to die.

I don't want him to die, but I'm not thinking about, like Their relationship. You know, and their relationship. And Yeah. I feel it still feels like they're two people who are just, like, kinda happen to be in this crazy circumstance together. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think that that is a big differentiator for me ultimately between those two movies. And, dad, I just want you to love me. And that's part of what pulls at me Yeah. In this movie is that fucking dynamic is so good.

The performances are so good. This is the thing that's really huge for me. Gentlemen, this is in my top five. This is in my top five. I I still think Raiders, it's like, let's dissect it.

If it's cinematography and costumes and Sure. Fine. I would rather watch Last Crusade 10 times. Yeah. Mhmm.

The it's maybe the most rewatchable movie ever. That's I think that's why. I just think it's the most shareable. It's like, I'm not gonna meet anybody and be like, you know what's fucking awesome? David Cronenberg's the fly.

Paul Verhoeven's Robocop. Let me spend two hours explaining to you why it's genius. I don't have the fucking time. My back hurts. So this is a really fucking special thing.

Like, Ben, happy birthday to you and Yeah. Thank you. Happy fucking birthday to me because we're all at fives. And straight up, fuck the, like, book stamp thing. This is five penis might ears, penis me.

It's all the way. We're super hoard. Look. In the words of Steven Spielberg, don't do it. Don't try to to put it in a box like our dear Damien came into this pop cache.

If I if I close my eyes, it's Steven Statham. I mean, Jason Spielberg. I mean, Steven yes. It's like almost, almost Michael Caine. And you get spoiler specific.

It's not quite the same. Not the way you're doing it. Right? You're not doing it the way he speaks. She didn't have to blow the fucking doors off.

Holy shit. What a time. This will be our longest episode. Thanks for my birthday episode, you guys. Sorry about that.

No. I had apologize. I had a blast for Ben's big birthday. Balls. Man's ballsy.

This I will say and and this was the first podcast I've done in a very long time. I and, very, very, very long time. I've done one other time. It was many, many years ago, and this was really fun. I enjoyed it.

I was like shit. Damien, you forgot to say best podcast you've ever done. Don't do I mean, well, Was it implied? Was it inferred? It's at least the second best podcast.

It's like top two. Like, damn. Like, guys. You know? Remember that.

You do right. Like Indiana paper This is In in a Indiana Pacers shit. I can't even talk right now. Yes, sir. Pacer's action right there.

Too sad. That's true. Those are Ben. I'm really glad that you asked me to be on. I love talking films and, you know, hearing from you guys and, about this.

And, you know, I I I don't agree with most of what you said, but, ultimately, I think it was nice that you said it. Jamie did win our bookend themes, by the way. Matthew Foskett did what are we watching, and why are you excited? A brand new theme, which we love. Because according to Matthew Foskett, what you've been doing is a piece of shit.

Chris Holds did fun facts. Wow. Guys, this has been really wonderful. Thank you for coming on my podcast. I hope that Thanks for having us.

Freaking girl, and we'll see you then. Thank you so much, Chris Holds, for our fun facts theme. I don't know if I said that already, but if I did, we'll keep that in. You can probably tell I'm drunk by now. Ben, goddamn, the time machine.

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Do it. I would use an actual time machine to go back in time to be able to, like, get down to LA and see this plaque. Everyone, thank you so much for tuning in. We will be back with Fiperman. Bye bye.

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