Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (90) / Methol, Please (Guest Cohost: Ben Burris)

Ben Burris returns to pinch hit for Jose Canseco as our Guest Cohost, and kinda nails the first several bars of “Turtle Power” (Partners In Kryme), and as a result we grow, specifically in intellect, to discuss his COMBO BREAKING pick “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” (1990 dir. Steve Barron) Starring: Judith Hoag, Elias Koteas, and Josh Pais. (The V & B) An episode in which we help each other, draw upon one another(s Henson fandom), and are always reciprocating the power that binds us. The same is what brought us here tonight, that which I gladly return with these words: I love you all, our audience. 12/29!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:00

U R T L E Power, Teenage Wim 10 Ninja Turtles.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Is that Partners in Crime? Crime with a K?

SPEAKER_08 0:07

I thought it was now I have to look it up.

Guest Intro

SPEAKER_02 0:10

I think it is. But the composer John DuPrez, I believe, would be very proud. It is Partners in Crime. And I think the Partners in Crime would be very proud. Frankly, I like the song more than the vanilla ice song. Can we talk about this right up front? Hi everyone. I'm Paul. I'm one of your co-hosts for this episode. And I'm Ben. Not your regular Ben, but the other Ben. When you're feeling a little irregular.

SPEAKER_06 0:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

That makes me feel safe. Pepto Ben. What does that say? Pepto Ben's mole. Peptoben. And we're off to the races. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. What were we literally talking about? Partners in Crime, John DuPrez, Vanilla Ice. So do you know this story about John Duprez and the vanilla ice thing in Secret of the Ooze? Mm-mm. The composer of the three of these films, as we are reviewing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from 1990. How can you do this? Because it's on my breaker list.

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Qualcomm!

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Doesn't matter how many of there are that exist. Burris chose this movie from this list, so we're doing it. But Vanilla Ice was not wanted by the composer. He still wanted groups like Partners in Crime and Technotronic and to come and do a track for an appear in the movie, and a producer's kid was like Vanilla Ice, and that created a meeting. It was getting really big. It's the first time vanilla ice has ever heard of it.

SPEAKER_08 1:47

But the only part of that song anyone knows is Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go. But other people can quote Turtle Power. You just did. Well, there's also but not just the chorus. So, like in the half shells, there's a heroes four. In this day and age, you can ask for more with crime wave so high and mugging's mysterious. The police and detectives are furious, but we can't find the source of this mysterious evil force. Evil force something, then I lose it.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Bars. Now I gotta look at the bars. Now, right now it is the holiday season, but this is like an emergisode as we wanted to give you a gift.

SPEAKER_09 2:23

Pump your fist in victory, Berth! Shout to the heavens! You earned it!

SPEAKER_08 2:28

But yeah, the song is so much better than the vanilla ice one. Also, I saw uh a clip the other day of the um the actor who was inside the Raphael costume talked about when they shot the Go Ninja Go Ninja Go sequence. Vanilla Ice couldn't remember the words to his own song.

SPEAKER_05 2:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 2:45

So they had to keep doing the dance over and over again to the point that those suits are so heavy. Oh, yeah. And it's hot, and they just soak up like a sponge. And he said that doing the dance moves for that song became more tiresome than the martial arts sequences that they do in this movie. Insane.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

I think Secret of the Ewes may see the light of day in this podcast, as I think we both have a lot to say about it. But today we're going to stick to the Steve Barron film produced by New Line Cinema and Limelight and Golden Harvest. Teenage Beaten Ninja Turtles from 1990. The original.

SPEAKER_08 4:05

It's getting better.

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It's a recurring theme on this podcast with many individuals. Are we in a certain age group? Maybe.

SPEAKER_08 4:13

Yeah, because I never had it happen before and now it's welcome to the club. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's the end of the year, so yeah. Wrap it up.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Wrap it up. Is there any specific thing that you have done or that you're looking forward to doing? Yes. About this season. Uh-huh. It you don't have to be happy about it.

SPEAKER_08 4:42

No, no. I just I never like people ask me, like, what are you doing? It's like, ah, I'm nothing. And then I like 10 minutes later, or like the next day, like, oh, I I'm doing other things, and I just don't remember them when people ask me the question.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

So I essentially asked you the same question over again.

SPEAKER_08 4:57

Yeah. But just take us a second. And then it was like, ah, he's hinting at something. Like, let me look at my own life again. Ah, yes, there is something. Artist submissions just closed for the next 1448 festival. Oh, yeah. We're gearing up for that, which is coming uh February 6th and 7th.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Well, that's what you've been doing.

SPEAKER_08 5:16

Yeah, that's I like it. It's good. We got a good group of people. So a lot of submissions this year, I hope. Yes, yes. Excellent. It's always a stressful time of like having them come in and making sure you have enough of every discipline to you know. Uh but we we got we got a good group, so I'm excited to that's fantastic. Now it just makes the job harder, though, to then have to select X amount of artists per discipline as the as the festival dictates.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

So Well, good luck and Godspeed. Why thank you moving forward. What have I been doing? Holiday shit as well. Lots of holiday parties and mixers and things. Tuesday I have one with my acting class. And it's something that requires a white elephant gift. Ah, yes. Guess what I'm taking. What? Guess. I bet you'll get it in one guess.

SPEAKER_08 6:14

Oh, are you are you bringing uh a DVD of I am? Yay.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Yeah. It just does not stop no matter how hard you try. It never stops. Never ever. I also want to mention that I did watch this on Arrow 4K, physical media with all the packaging and the books and the posters and the cards. I'm not necessarily into all of that stuff necessarily, but as we're looking at it, it is the original poster, the version that I got. And that is force perspective photography. Add a t-shirt of that poster. Awesome. It is something that I enjoy quite a bit, and we are going to be expanding this on the podcast. We will be adding a little physical media love episode edition. Good times and noodles content for the people on the program of physical media stuff that we love. We have a friend of the podcast and an occasional co-host and guest, Moses Olson, reached out to me recently and told me that he was unable to access movies that he quote unquote owns through Apple because those licenses went away. And you can't access those things. And let's be real, when you're watching something in 4K on cable TV or a streaming app, it's not 4K. It never is. It's nowhere close to the nerd shit, bitrate so on and so form. So on and so forth.

SPEAKER_09 8:04

Sally. Sally Sally Forth.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Having this video of these movies, the original trilogy, Up to Turtles in Time. It's so gorgeous in its original intended filmmaker approved. The people who made this movie said, Yes, this is how we intended this to be seen. Here's my signature. I don't know if you get a whole lot of that available on digital. So we're gonna bring these to you uh occasionally, listeners. It's gonna be a new part of the program. Burris, you're holding a blue ray.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

I didn't remember what mine was. I was like, it's Blu-ray, I don't think it's 4K, and I'm right, it's just Blu-ray. But no, but it's a tr it's all three of the original trilogy. Oh yeah. And the quality watching it on disc, like was different.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

It was really good. But I don't think that TV can really do full bitrate 1080p, even they just throw around these numbers when they're using photographs. It's in 4K. It's not just in and out.

SPEAKER_08 9:14

Yeah, it's not it's and then they say you just need the right HDMI cord for it, then absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

No, it doesn't hurt, but absolutely not.

SPEAKER_08 9:23

You gotta check your settings also. I was like, no.

What Are You Watching?

SPEAKER_02 9:26

No, sorry, Netflix app on my TV. Yeah, no, it's just not possible. Okay, we've talked about what we've been doing and kind of what we've been watching a little. But what have you been watching?

unknown 9:40

What am I watching?

SPEAKER_05 9:50

What am I watching?

SPEAKER_08 9:57

Um let's see. I watched um A1 for the first stared at a no, it's a documentary.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

All about um um A1 stakes success. Do you feel it's a necessary condiment? Yeah. You must. You watched a whole fucking documentary.

SPEAKER_08 10:16

Sorry, I also said the long uh F1.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Oh wow. I feel I feel like if you make a good steak, you don't need A1.

SPEAKER_08 10:26

Yeah, I don't use A1.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, oh okay.

SPEAKER_08 10:28

Um that's great. I said as I said, I was like, oh, that's awesome. I was like, something's wrong here. And I was like, I'm gonna go with the bit, but like I said something wrong. What's the actual name of the movie? There's a letter and a number. I think I got the number right. What'd you think about F1? I liked it.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Yeah. I liked it. I did too. I saw it in the theater and had the theatrical experience. I took uh meet papa for Father's Day, and it was amazing, and I'm really looking forward to watching it again at home. You watched it at home. I watched it at home. I liked it. Yeah, through Apple or how'd you do it? Uh yeah, Apple. And that's an Apple movie. So presentation is, I assume, it was yeah, it was about as good as it gets.

SPEAKER_08 11:09

Yeah, it was a really fun movie. Racing movies. I don't watch racing, but I don't love NASCAR. I don't I don't watch them go around the track, but when there's a movie form spinning around and going around car racing, it can sometimes be really gripping. And this was this is great. Baseball and racing work in movies.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Yeah, they do. Talladega Nights fan, I hope. Oh yeah. Have you seen Days of Thunder? Even go make toy. Just say that you like clips. Thank you, baby James.

SPEAKER_08 11:46

Have you seen Days of Thunder?

SPEAKER_03 11:47

One single plop.

SPEAKER_08 11:49

That's the Tom Cruise run. No, I haven't seen that one. That one's on my list. I have not seen it though.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Tom Cruise is the reverse Brad Pitt in F1, where he's like a young hot shot that.

SPEAKER_08 12:02

And um, oh god, who's the who's the older guy in it? Michael Rooker.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Oh, I had a different one. Randy Quaid is in it too. Carrie Always is in it. Okay, that's good. It's got a great cast, and it's a it's an entertaining movie. That's what I hear. I think I watched a bin this bitch!

SPEAKER_09 12:18

I watched Travis Come Back.

SPEAKER_08 12:19

I listened, sorry, I listened to How Did This Get Made of that movie, and um it's quite a thing.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

We did that movie, and that movie Talladega Nights and F1 have so many things that touch and feel that spinning around, driving around middle to middle, rim to rim dog.

SPEAKER_10 12:41

Yeah, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_08 12:42

Same with um that they're all very similar and they're all very enjoyable. Yeah. I thought Brad Pitt was was awesome. It's like his like I'm just trying to live my life and I just need to race, and I gotta I gotta do this thing, and I'm the older dude who is gonna do things my way or the highway.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

He did it. He's still got the fastball though, right? Is there a checked out, like not great Brad Pitt performance? Like he really brings it. Oh yeah, totally. I I think everybody in that movie is doing some pretty top-tier work. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_08 13:16

Yeah, there's uh there's this POV shot of just racing just down the track that that was a shot I was like, it really works in streaming, but I was like, oh, if I was in a theater, this is like this is that shot of um the you know, the original animated How to Train Your Dragon came out, and there was like a POV flight shot, and in the theaters you just you felt it, and that was what this was.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

It was like I know exactly what you're talking about, exactly because it the it's so visceral, it's so well done. Joseph Kaczynski. Everybody, great job. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what I've been watching. Yes, please do. Re-watched me, Special K, Kimbo the Beat Ow. We got down and watched The American President with Michael Douglas and Annette Benny, Michael J. Fox, and Martin Sheen, and all sorts of fucking amazing and the president's dating and nobody wants it and what a contract!

SPEAKER_10 14:12

Oh no! What do we do?

SPEAKER_02 14:15

And you can't go on dates, just a movie that needs to be seen by everyone for every reason. Oh, the ending speech is so good, and Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas is an actor that I really fucking enjoy so much, like Wall Street and this movie and the China Syndrome, and he's great in the game. Another actor who it's like you bring it to the waltz, young man, and he does every time. I really enjoy him. Also, watched a movie called a movie. Started watching a series that's been out for several years now, starring Hank Azaria and Amanda Pete called Brockmire.

SPEAKER_08 15:00

Yeah, I watched I think two seasons of that when it was on TV. I think I watched part of it with my dad. That's ringing true. It was it was some years ago though. Because that show's been out for a while.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Oh, yeah, it just hit uh Netflix, Chipotle, California Pizza Kitchen, Exxon, HBO, Max, Netflix, Sketchers, whatever's in that conglomerate. It's on Netflix.

SPEAKER_08 15:32

With a combination uh pizza and taco bell.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Yeah. Oh. With a K with the KFC also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's one of those like triple plays left. Ethan Hawkman on Tuesday night after my acting class or whatever, but apparently he's somebody who enjoys a little Taco Bell here or there. And I'm the same. On a Tuesday night, put up a monologue, really fucking go for it. Did the Phoebe Cates monologue from Gremlins. That's how I found out there was no Santa Claus. Yeah, I want to bite into a Mexican pizza and turn into the John Hamm meme.

SPEAKER_09 16:07

It's just the fucking best feeling in the world.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Brockmeyer, he's got like the signature like announcer jacket. Somehow, him talking like this all the time, and then it becomes like this personality flaw. It's a terrible impression of what Ancasari does in that. He's like lean into this alcohol problem that he's kind of self-obsessed. And I'm not even in season two yet, but I've really been enjoying it. And I just re-watched Something's Gotta Give not long ago, which Amanda Pete's in, and she's just so fucking enjoyable. She's just got this great, like, yeah, we're fucking here, eh? Kind of like energy that really, really works. I enjoy her work in Hanka's area, and everybody's great in it. It's been a fun little journey to whatever fucking city he ends up in that embraces him for all his shittiness.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

All the kids in Springfield arrests.

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" (90) Facts

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Okay, Burris. We've talked about what we've been doing. We've talked about what we've been watching. We have pizza in route. Yes, we do. It's time to talk about the facts.

SPEAKER_09 17:12

Archaeology is the search for facts.

SPEAKER_08 17:18

Alright. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was made in 1990 by New Line Cinema, 888 Productions, Golden Harvest, uh Limelight, and it was rated PG. How? How is it PG? How is this PG? Well, there isn't there's no no blood. I don't think there's any blood.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

There might be like a couple cuts on a head. Here's here's the thing. Boris, also, how long is this movie? I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_08 17:47

Oh, it is it is a lovely one hour and 33 minutes. Breezes by. It is the perfect length of a movie. And it doesn't feel rushed, and it doesn't feel like it's stretched out too long.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Well, and it's it's an independent movie. It's truly independent. That's why we have a bunch of these production companies. It's before New Line's part of Warner. In terms of the themes, it's got a lot of very adult themes and very dark photography and heavy score. Like it's a very grown-up movie. Which is what kids' movies were back in the day. They I feel like movies lack deep themes. Like a lot of the time anymore, it's just we're trying to go point A, B, C.

SPEAKER_08 18:32

It's like you you know when you're watching a kid's movie nowadays. Yes. And this movie, like on this watching, I was like, I can see how it's a kid's how what what parts are a kid's movie. But it doesn't play to it. It it treats kids like they know shit. It's not talking down. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah, I'm so glad you said that because that's what I felt the whole thing it's never talking down. Like Splinter constantly is just like, here's fucking liquid gold diamonds, whatever, out of my mouth, every word.

SPEAKER_08 19:08

Yeah, and bad things happen to people of all ages. So these teenagers are dealing with a lot of heavy shit in moments where you know, and there's lots of like funny bits and stuff and lightheartedness, but they also have to deal with a lot of hard stuff that they have to go through, and you get to watch them go through it in a brisk 90 minutes, and it works out great.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

It's all you know, man, it's about tight knit, it's about it's about family.

SPEAKER_08 19:38

Wow, I didn't plan that either. That's great. I'm happy. Go us. So the budget wow, the budget was 13.5 million, which is 33.5 million adjusted.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

If you can get a movie that is executed this well done for under 40 million dollars, with uh then every movie.

SPEAKER_08 20:00

Should I think you and I this oh okay opening weekend was April 1st, 1990. No foolin'. What are you being cowabunga with me right now? I wish I was being cowabunga with you, but I'm being dead serious. Whoa. Yeah. Radical. Radical indeed.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Wicked. Awesome. Bitchin'. Does Raph say bitchin at the end? I he should.

SPEAKER_09 20:31

This kid's gotta learn sometime.

SPEAKER_08 20:34

Stupid kids. Yeah, opening weekend, it made$25.3 million, which is$62.8 million adjusted. It made its money back in the first weekend. Twice. Final gross in North America was$135.3 million, which is$336.2 million adjusted. That's a lot of dough. I'll take that. A lot of dough. I'll take like$1 million of that.

SPEAKER_09 21:05

In today's dollars. Thanks.

SPEAKER_08 21:08

Final gross uh worldwide was$202 million or$501 million adjusted. That's a lot of millions for 1990. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Imagine what like the percentage accrual you'd have on that in your and especially as you circumvent taxes and yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:26

I mean it I mean nowadays. Invest in gold. Yeah, it depends on how much they reshow it. They're the golden harvest. Yeah. A golden harvest? I like it. Yeah. Let's see. Other releases that weekend was uh Opportunity Knox.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I think they that happened with this movie, and they answered they answered the door.

SPEAKER_08 21:48

The weekend top five was this movie, Pretty Woman, The Hunt for Red October, Driving Miss Daisy, and Opportunity Knox. What a what a weekend.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Driving Miss Daisy.

SPEAKER_08 22:01

What a what a um a potpourri. Yeah, it's very eclectic of movies. Other films from 1990, uh Death Warrant. Whoa. The Guardian. Whoa. Madhouse. Predator 2. Gimme 2. Dick Tracy, Dark Man.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

And nothing bad can happen. It can only good happen. Directed by Sidney Poitier. Didn't age too much.

SPEAKER_09 22:27

Sure didn't at all.

SPEAKER_08 22:28

Yeah. Oh. Uh Letterboxd average is 3.4. Not bad.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Not bad at all. You can follow us on Letterboxd at Run BMC, at PaulAxBadly, and at Ben Dun4.

SPEAKER_08 22:46

You have it. It's right there. I wouldn't have known.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Somebody put it there. Yeah. Some neat person put it right there.

SPEAKER_08 22:51

Wow. Well, thanks, whoever that is. What a what a wonderful person. Just not gonna make eye contact with you. Have feelings. Siskel Nieber gave this movie two thumbs down.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

They said it was depressing. Which I understand. I think I understand if you're a 10-year-old kid or whatever, especially if you don't know the property. You walk in and you're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_09 23:14

Why'd they the what happened to the splinter and why what? But everything's so mean.

SPEAKER_08 23:19

There's a lot of there's a lot of non-depressing stuff. I agree. They're kids. Kids are dumb, dumb. Metacritic uh is a 51 7.8 user score. I have a question. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Do you think critic rated this harshly because this was marketed toward and supposed to be for kids and it doesn't feel like a kids' movie?

SPEAKER_08 23:48

That'd be a weird way to like this movie sucks because it wasn't for kids.

SPEAKER_10 23:53

Because it was supposed to be for kids. They marketed it for kids. And that's why this movie pooped his pants.

SPEAKER_08 23:59

Not the cinematography or the script or the acting, but just because it was marketed to my child and and I got more out of it than they did.

SPEAKER_10 24:09

He sucks. Because he pooped his pants. Damn it. Because he was so scared. And now I gotta hear Calabunga every other day. Cool.

SPEAKER_09 24:18

Radical. Radical, radical, radical, radical, radical.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Who which turtle was that? Michelangelo. I hope I think it's Michaelangelo. It's gotta be Michelangelo or Donatello, yeah. Probably Michelangelo.

SPEAKER_08 24:33

Before I keep spinning out. Let's see.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Um I'm trying to help as much as I can.

SPEAKER_08 24:37

Major award wins and nominations. They got two Saturn nominations, including Best Film.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Fucking the Saturn Awards get it right with genre movies that we do on this podcast. On this program, they nail it. Did the Oscars have best movie ever made? Effects? You're just trying to creep me out, man. Makeup and I think they had to have at that point. I mean, Elephant Man had come out at that point. Yeah, no, yeah. I don't know what it was. I feel like that award has changed the names and whatever so much.

SPEAKER_08 25:08

Also, I mean, this is very early on in the Jim Henson style of things, and so they were like, I is it a costume? Is it a is it makeup? Like, what is you know, it's not a prosthetic, it's a full-body prosthetic.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

I don't know. Make everything practical forever. If you if you can spend 40 million dollars and make this movie, and I don't know how much marketing was behind this, I find it interesting that Domino's is in the movie, but they marketed with Pizza Hut. Yeah, I mean Gyamola Torah does it.

SPEAKER_08 25:34

Um does it. Oh, okay. That was all practical, and then uh CG'd eyes and mouths. Yeah, it was real suits.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

And I love that kind of shit. Yeah, you can you can use computers, of course, computers. It was all done with computers. These things working in tandem are the best way to do it. We've talked about mixed media and animation a good amount on this as well. Usually we just type a bunch of cats. We got pizza. We ordered a pizza, y'all. One moment. Barissa and I walked away. We just housed an entire pizza in honor of this movie and staying alive and upright and providing you this content.

SPEAKER_08 26:13

And I sliced it in the air just like they do in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

You were like the automatic ginsu. You sliced it, you diced it six different ways. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:22

It was perfect. Um, I didn't have a splinter for the slice to land on his head.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Instead, it just it just went on the carpet and uh you did throw it at my face and it landed at the carpet because you were like, you're gonna be my splinter.

SPEAKER_08 26:35

Well, we And I was like, no. We can do let's cut that part out and let's let's I should have yes handed, yeah. Let's just like take it to where where where I I just made a mistake and I wasn't gonna smear it all over your face and then laugh at you and then and then and then you know shell shock you by Be my splinter too derivative shell shock. And then yeah. So I had a lot of plans and uh they all got foiled.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

So I dodged it pretty well though. It's like ninja-like. Yeah, you're like the Nike. I'd say that's why I wore my green Nike sweatsuit that now looks like I have a little like dribble. Oh yeah, you had an accident. Whoops. Director of this film, Steve Barron, Electric Dreams, Cone Heads, and Boogaloo. Electric Dreams Boogaloo. Electric Boogaloo Dreams. Electric Boogaloo. Have you seen the movie, by the way? Have you heard of that? Electric Boogaloo? Uh clearly you've heard of that. Electric Dreams. It's like a pretty solid, like fairly entertaining, like mid 80s poppy, fun, fantasy-ish, comedy-ish. I like it. He also directed the Merlin TV miniseries with Sam Neil. Oh, Rutger Hauer. Oh, I watched that. NBC.

SPEAKER_08 27:49

I remember they were very big on this. They spent it was it was during an era of these like mini-series for TV of that mini series. Tenth Kingdom, Alice in Wonderland.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

The Langaleers, The Stand. I'm just gonna name Dinosaurus The Shining Dinotopia. Dinotopia. Yeah, like Rose Red, big budget TV miniseries. And now we're back in that era, and it's so common now. Yeah. Very common. Yeah. Writers of this film are Todd Langan, TMNT2, Secret of the Use, starring Vanilla Ice, Bobby Herbeck, TV, and uh Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird, the comics and the characters. You're gonna find it over there on Lairdman Island. There's a hideout over there. Okay, Sam Rockwell, I gotcha. I like how it kind of shouts them out in that moment. And I will say Bobby Herbeck has a good amount of TV writing credits. Did you ever pick up this comic?

SPEAKER_08 28:52

In my lifetime, yes. Did you read it? Yes. I read the one that I got. I got like a book and I was like, okay. Any memories about it when it came? I wasn't a comic book kid when I was like in my twenties and stuff. And I was like, I've got to read some of this.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

I was in my late 50s, very advanced, reading all sorts of literature 50s, including children's literature, like cartoony books. And I read this one a little bit violent. Yeah. Dark. Yeah. Like I might you recall this as well. Red mask.

SPEAKER_08 29:29

Yeah. Like the original originals for sure. I found a lot more uh mutant animals. Oh, right. In in it. And I was like, oh, interesting. And I was like, fun. It's a like the cartoon. It's a built-out world.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah. And they did that with the cartoon series. Music of this film was the aforementioned Steve DuPrez. TMNT3, Turtles in Time, UHF. You mean you don't know the Dewey Decimal System? Nya! And then the fake Conan bisects the guy. It's a weird owl movie. And a movie called Bullseye with an exclamation point. Now, I want to mention also, I have the score for this film on vinyl. Burris, do you know where my score might be leaning overall as we're approaching this? But I I think the score to this is amazing, and I have the vinyl of the entire score. That's it's so good.

SPEAKER_08 30:21

I want that.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

And the soundtrack also is fantastic. Cinematography. Oh, you were gonna say. No, I was just gonna say, yeah, it's really great. It's really super neat.

SPEAKER_08 30:31

I'm just gonna agree with you and just add words that I need to. I would like you to agree with me a lot in this. I have to vocally agree because I'm just nodding and like no one's gonna they can feel it, feel it.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

That's a different that's that's not in Is that in three? What? No, feel it, feel it. That's not vanilla ice, that's Marky Mark.

SPEAKER_08 30:50

Yes, Marky Mark. But I was making the the joke that then maybe he did the song for so good.

SPEAKER_09 30:56

Turtles in time. Feel it, feel it. I gotta I gotta move on. Cinematography.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

John Fenner, The Borrowers, Muppet Treasure Island, and Moppet's Christmas Carol. This guy does certain things, like works with Jim Henson, does special effects, cinematography. I think this movie is beautiful. I think the framing, the way that this movie is like instills when you see April, when the shredders revealed, when what they include in a shot and how they shape it, the way Splinter can be silhouetted, like it is a gorgeous movie.

SPEAKER_08 31:35

The opening alone.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Oh, buddy, I'm with you. Producers were Gary Proper, R.I.P. Gallagher, Overboard. That was one of the most recognizable, all respect. Like, I'm not trying to be funny. Simon Fields serendipity live? Yeah. You were alive and saw Gallagher? Yeah, he's still he still tours and his brother?

SPEAKER_08 32:01

His twin brother, who they don't like each other, but then what does the brother call himself? Well, he's he's Gallagher 2 or something. Yeah, basically. Secret of the ooze. I saw them might have been 90s or early 2000s. Awesome. And you I did you have the best time?

SPEAKER_09 32:20

So just smashing fruit. I was like, awesome, fuck it.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Kim Dawson, Letters to God, David Chan, Double Tap, Raymond Chow, Mon Y, Rumble in the Bronx, The Stunt Woman, Chyna O'Brien, Enter the Dragon, The Big Boss, all the police stories. I just want to make sure this is not a producer that we've had very often and has worked on so much great shit that I wanted to make sure gave proper shouts. Judith Hoague was April. April O'Neal, the reporter. Armageddon, I am number four, Nightmare in Elm Street from 2010. Are we ready for Freddy? Always ready for Freddy. Elias Cotis was Casey Jones. Yes. Fallen shooter, the thin red line. Raphael was Josh Pice as the voice and the body. He was also in Joker. When I say the body, that is the person inside of the suit. The physical performer. And pretty soon I'm just gonna say the V and the B, and you can interpret that however you want. Michelangelo was Robbie Rist, the V, Sharknado, Michelon Sisti, B, the Muppets. Leonardo was Brian Toshi, V, the player from 92, the Altman. David Forman, the B, the Golden Compass. Michael Turney was Danny, Spike of Bensonhurst, cost of living. Splinter is Kevin Clash, V and some of the B.

SPEAKER_08 33:59

Labyrinth and Elmo, like fucking Elmo, you know, Elmo. Also, um, the baby in Dinosaurs on the baby gotta love me. Oh, thank you.

FUN Facts

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Not the mama. James Saito, Shredder. Big Eyes, Life of Pie, the Hunted. I'm a little too scared when we start talking about the Shredder. Can we have fun?

SPEAKER_08 34:23

We got some uh fun facts for you. Let's play the song.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Fun facts, fun facts, everybody. It's fun fact time.

SPEAKER_08 34:33

Welcome back. That was the Fun Facts song. And now here are the fun facts. This was the highest gross independent film until the Blair Witch Project in 1999. Having made 135 million in domestic box office and 66 million in the foreign box office. One of the early ideas floated is the film would follow a similar map to uh who frayed who framed Roger Rabbit, in which the actors would be interacting with animated versions of the turtles. And this idea was quickly scrapped in favor of pursuing performances in turtle costumes when uh Jim Henson's Creature Shop came on board, which is the best decision they could have ever made.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Both great ideas. If you can get somewhere anywhere near the quality of a Who Framed Roger Rabbit, if you can get a Bob Hoskins. Post third Sexiest Man Alive Award. But when you get Jim Henson to come on and do this work, come on, as you said.

SPEAKER_08 35:38

It's still some of my favorite. It it looks great. I don't know, I don't know how it looked on 4K, but on on Blu-ray, it looked it looked great. I could I could see that it was made, you know, it wasn't a real thing, but it was like, it's so good, it's so tangible, it's amazing. So much detail. Every costume character required an entire team of puppeteers and stunt performers. Some of uh those uh not mentioned above were uh Ernie Rays Jr., Ken Scott, Robert Tigner, Ricky Boyd, Mark Wilson, Reggie Barnes, David Rudman, David Greenway, and many, many others. Um Brian Henson, what was his title? He was um he was basically he was the leading the puppeteers. He was in part of this film just I don't know if we said that yet. No, no. Oh, great. In the script and film, the boy that uh Tatsu attacks was to die from the beating, and the sounds of breathing and others saying he would be alright were added at the last minute after ratings boards uh objected. I guess that makes sense for a PG film. Well, they would I love the end of this. Oh yes, and so in the French version though, he dies.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

I love that, and I also love that that apparently that's what they were gonna do. That's what the director had decided. That makes that's how bad this cult is. I will fucking kill a kid out of just like anger, out of my love of the shredder, of the cult leader.

SPEAKER_08 37:16

And you can tell that the people, the creators behind the movie, they weren't making a kid's movie. I agree. That was not, they said, Yeah, we're making a movie for children, but we're gonna tell our fucking story, and we're gonna, you know, and they're like then they just started writing the story, what it would be, not aimed towards any particular audience, you know, and just trying to tell this story is what I think. Just make a good movie with deep themes and then they get notes. Yeah, from uh, you know, advertising and uh markets, um, the ratings board and producers. To uh disguise how uh cumbersome and slow the turtle costumes were dialogue scenes were shot at twenty three frames per second instead of the usual twenty-four, so movements appeared uh sharper. For the same reason, fight scenes were shot at twenty two or twenty-three frames per second. Fantastic. Yeah. That's a similar thing they do in uh Little Shop of Horrors also. The plant is sped way down.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

And it's done so seamlessly in both of these things. Yeah, I actually think some of the best photography in this movie is during some of the fight scenes, and I'm sure some of that is that frame rate shit. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:34

According to uh Josh Pius? Pice Pace? Okay. If you don't know, that's good. That makes sense. I sure don't. Um on the podcast, I was there too. Director Steve Barron was fired near the end of the production. And producers thought the film had become too dark and would get darker in editing. So the final studio-approved edits of this film and the first film credit uh for off Tarantino uh collaborator Sally Menke, R.I.P. Truly interesting. That just goes into what we were just talking about, though, also that they were making a film and the story was a lot darker than how they would think a movie should be for uh if we're gonna put it on kids.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Well, in the the movie, the way it's edited is we've said multiple times, it is a brisk hour 33, hour 30 without credits. It is lipped in brisk iced tea with lemon, 472 grams of sugar straight to your blood, and done.

SPEAKER_08 39:35

It is a very speedy movie. Everything in it, though, also has something for the odd audience. There's a lot of movies that like like we're gonna make a two and a half hour movie, and there's sections are like I this doesn't need to be here. Every everything is vital.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

And every we're gonna talk about this shortly. Every single thread is tied up. Yes, every thread you want tied up is. Tied up. It's kind of incredible. I think I have an idea of where we're going with this. Buris, can I just read the log line to you? Is that okay? Yes, that's fine. I appreciate it. I don't have a lot of expendable brain cells right now. It's great. Four teenage mutated ninja turtles or tortoises, these are turtles, emerge from the shadows to protect New York City from a gang of criminal ninjas. Or let's just also call it a cult. They're based off of the foot from Daredevil, is my understanding.

SPEAKER_08 40:38

Yes, because this is originally gonna be a uh Marvel. The Teams being ninja turtles at one point were gonna be in the Marvel universe.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

And they were just gonna use the foot from Daredevil, potentially? That would make sense to me. Oh god, there's more to the story. If that's how it just extended, because that extends so easily from there.

SPEAKER_08 40:56

Nope, that's not I'm gonna cut back.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

The foot are underground, like ninjas, like kind of cultists. It is related to the hand. I just I'm forgetting. Or the hand, the hand, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 41:05

Um, but I'm forgetting the reason why it was a direct they did it on purpose. But because then I realized that there is like a Teeny Beat and Ninja Turtles and Batman, which is DC.

Brought To You By

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Yeah, they have collaborated. I forget the name whoever teenies be ninja turtles, if it's image or something else entirely, or some licensing surge, or I don't know. But they named the foot based on the hand from the Daredevil. Right. Thank you for getting me fucking correct. This episode is brought to you by getting me fucking correct. Thank you so much for listening. Burros has gotta get me fucking correct. We'll be back. Hey, thanks everyone for joining us back on the review review. This episode is brought to you by Cricut! And we're gonna tell you all about how cricket works. As you just heard. We thought we got corrected. You gotta understand what a crumpet is. Oh, to understand cricket. Okay, I think I can get on board with that. I can I can unite with you here. Alright, King. So we got corrected, and this is brought to you by Cricut, whatever that is. So thank you again for joining us. We're back. We're not playing Cinephile for this episode. Benjamin McFadden has the cards. If you would like to slay Benjamin McFadden and get back my Cinephile cards, they're my cards. They give me unlimited power, and he has had them for too long. Please help me. He can be destroyed. Or we're not playing Cinephile.

SPEAKER_08 42:41

Or fans out there can send in their person who they would like to see represented in Cinephile for these moments, and we can go from a list, we'll make our own deck of cards.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

And we can shout out the listener who gave the screen.

SPEAKER_08 42:55

Or whoever says the name. Did I just come up with something? That's a thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Shaking hands. We ask every episode, is that a thing? Is that a thing? And I think this is the first time that you think it's a thing.

SPEAKER_08 43:06

That should be a thing.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

I think it's a thing. That's exciting.

SPEAKER_08 43:09

Benjamin Burris. Yes. You think it's what? Sorry. Oh, I mean, I think that's that's the best way to go, and then shout out your listener. We're not identical. Okay. We did it. We freaking did it. Family.

Cinephile Round

First & Current Experiences

SPEAKER_02 43:24

Whose first experience first? The twins. You go first. Right. Now, I'm happy to do this. I couldn't have been but more than a wee child, as other than fragments of other movies. This is the first theater experience that I can remember clumps of and what it was like to physically be there. It was at the Hazeldell Cinemas that was behind a Burger King. The floor there was a long line, the floors were sticky, people were loud, the logo flew up at the screen, and everybody freaked the fuck out. You are painting a picture. I'm doing my best. It's great. Like Brockmeyer, I've been watching. I am mesmerized by this. This is my first exposure to this that I can recall at all because I want to say it was the cartoon, and then as I got a little older, I picked up the comic books. I had some of the toys. I was super, super into this. This was five cartons of menthol cigarettes. From moment one. It's like when you put menthol on your back when your back doesn't feel good and it helps numb the pain. When you smoke a menthol cigarette, it does that through your whole body. The moment the turtle's shadow shows on the screen.

SPEAKER_08 44:44

Yeah. In the sewer, you're hooked.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Couldn't agree more. Somebody, please, thank God that's they're so good at keeping the right things visually hidden until the moment it has to happen. And there's it it's edited so gorgeously. I I watched this for I don't know how many times I've seen this movie, Burris. I don't know. This movie is still five stars to me. It's still five cartons of menthol cigarettes. There's no there's no change in my thinking here at all. It's as much a masterpiece as it's ever been. I think I know every line to this movie. This movie is unreasonably, unbelievably, unfathomably good, especially when you consider that it was marketed as like a kid's movie and thought of as a as a kid's movie, as a movie for adolescents. I'm gonna I'm gonna read a quick red Wetter? Wetter. Wetter box? Is that a thing? A wet wetter box? This is fucking too hard.

unknown 45:50

Is that a thing?

SPEAKER_02 45:51

That's uh an app for adults, unlike this movie, which was apparently for kids. This episode was brought to you by cricket, whatever that is, not what whatever we were just talking about. If if I may, I'll be brief.

SPEAKER_08 46:04

No, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

This movie should have been nominated for four Academy Awards. Nobody has the time. Bruce is snapping gently and politely. I don't have the time to list all the other nominees in these categories. I'm just going to put my fucking chest out and say best Ality. Best Ality? Best editing, Sally Menke. Like, check the resume.

SPEAKER_08 46:29

Did you look up what films were nominated this year?

SPEAKER_02 46:33

I did at a point for all these categories, but I don't remember what they are at this time, and I don't know if I care. Best costume design, John Hay. If you consider these prosthetics, these extensions of these actors, these turtle costumes, they're insane. And the fact that there's someone working a remote and these eyes and these mouths.

SPEAKER_08 46:58

Well, did he do those or did he do the costumes for the actors? Because Jim Henson did the suit.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

Well, then special effects are I sure. No, I'm just I'm just trying to I'm I say I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 47:10

So I'm just I'm asking, I'm posing.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

I appreciate it. Best cinematography, John Fenner. This is one of the most beautifully photographed movies ever. When Shredder walks in, I wrote, I wrote, I wrote all of it. Unbelievable. Yeah. Ridiculous. That'll be a fun moment to talk about. The the gravitas and power that that lends to that character immediately is unmatched, in my opinion. And best adapted screenplay. Herbeck and Langan, who have worked on essentially this movie. No offense to any other chosen family movies, especially from that year, Dances with Wolves specifically. I would rather watch this movie. The music and score are phenomenal. Were you not entertained, audience member? You some kind of punker? This is literally the only job of this movie that was marketed for kids. Are you about to claim dances with wolves is somehow better in any way, on any level, if you did not rate this three plus cartons of menthol cigarettes? And I'm saying this to you now, Boris. Calm down, maybe go fuck yourself and reconsider. Good day. That's my letterbox review. Five cartons of menthol cigarettes, and I will not calm down. This makes me so happy.

SPEAKER_08 48:25

Oh good. This movie, as far as I know, as far as my brain will tell me, it's always been a part of my life.

SPEAKER_06 48:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:35

Like I have been a like there are two franchises that since I was a kid, I'm just I'm in for. It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Ghostbusters. That was my childhood right there. You know. Um, I don't remember my movie going experience, but I remember having arguments with my friend when I was five about which turtle jumps out first in the sewer, and it's Leonardo. They always argue that it's Donatello. And I know they're wrong. And I still know it just it drove me nuts. And I was five. They're gonna hear this. They're standing right over there looking at the TV on the ground. I can almost see it. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't remember. I I remember I I I watched it enough that then I had it at home to watch. And I did, I went to this really cool thing that happened. Like in advertising for this movie, there was a an experience where you went down into the sewers and got to see Shredder and the Turtles and everything. And like and like like they have nowadays, or like you think about like Halloween Horror Nights and they make like a maze, stranger maze, stuff like that. It was that, but it was for TMNT in 1990. Whoa. And it was just like they made the sewer, the circular sewer, and then these characters are there, like just like you could take pictures of them and stuff, but they stay in the world. And just like, you know, just Shredder's being like, I'm an evil person, so he's you know, he's doing. But like the turtles are like, ah, yeah, cool, and they look great. And it was just I remember that to this day of just being really scared of Shredder and then being really excited to see the turtles and and being immersed in this like sewer that they built for it. And that was yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

So did this add to your enjoyment? Did this add to your rating from your original viewing?

SPEAKER_08 50:25

Well, this is um this is this is all encompassing. Yeah, so I'm still giving it five turtles on a half shell. It makes it power. It makes us care. When did you re-watch this? Today? Yesterday? Um I started it the other night and then I was tired, so I wanted I didn't want to do that too. So I watched it again last night. I watched it from the beginning and then watched it.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Restart one, yeah. It gotta hit the reset button. I do the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 50:51

It happens. This is a five. It was a five for me. Okay. I've shown people this movie as adults who never saw it as kids. Yeah. And this they throw it off. It's like, ah, it's a kid's movie. You know, I was like, it's not though. You just there's a level of intelligence. They just got so much, yeah, yeah, encompassing in this film and and their journeys, and like it's more than a kid's movie.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

I normally for almost any movie, I'm like, what a different strokes, different folks. We just did Gremlin Dollar sign the new cash grab or gremlin's to the new batch, but we just did that, and that's a movie that like I'll fight for to a degree. This is a movie that I will fight for on the merits of the filmmaking aspects of it.

SPEAKER_08 51:37

And something that you appreciate as an adult then more than you would like when I saw this when I was five, because I was just turtles. They're turtles, they're ninja turtles, they're they're mutants, and they're teenagers and they're physical.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

And I was yeah, I think that covers all bases. Yeah, okay. Well, I think we're gonna have mostly kind of a love fest here. We're at five cartons of menthol cigarettes and five turtles and a half shell. Turtle power. You have that power, you have that right to rate it that. This episode is brought to you by Cricket, whatever that is. Let's start the movie.

SPEAKER_09 52:20

And now, our feature presentation.

unknown 52:23

Let's go for it!

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Just did Gremlins 2 and just did this movie, both movies that start out with like, hey, Twin Towers! Remember that? Right up front. I mean, that's post the new line logo, which always always makes me feel nice. That original newline 80s, 90s clump of movies when they were truly independent.

SPEAKER_08 52:48

And the soundtrack at the from the from the get-go gets you into the feeling of this film.

Start The Movie (conversation)

SPEAKER_02 52:54

I agree. The it's kind of like mischievous or like a little spooky or a little nefarious, like the sounds that are kind of coming at you as these people are like stealing stuff, and April is kind of narrating and it's like high ringing and then like some bass mode. It's great. The music, the score really sets the fucking tone is as trucks are being robbed. That edit, by the way, I love when the truck is being robbed and Panaway comes back and it's gone. Yeah, yeah, like full delivery truck of stuff, and in a moment, the woman on the fire escape. A visible edit. It's so great. And there's a level of kind of like Bart Simpson y like hee hee hee hee that seems to be happening here, happening here that seems pretty innocent, and as we were saying, like you just get grabbed pretty much immediately.

SPEAKER_08 53:50

Yeah. I was thinking about the music, that's why I was uh so important to the movie. It's like it's it feels very hee hee hee hee until the music shifts it and you're like, oh, we're serious.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Okay, oh this yeah, okay, we're not the there is a level of the score leading you to the just like we're not fucking around kind of vibes that the movie has throughout when it wants to turn that aura up and down, it can do that pretty easily with the score. And then you see after the attempted robbery and the great Well, did I miss the logo moment already? Or has that that hasn't happened yet? Because we have to they have to save April. Yeah, so they're doing the setup, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:32

I think and then it goes to April reporting on this.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

Right. And we get this great shout-out to the yellow jacket or the yellow suit or whatever that she had in the comic books and this other media that existed, and they kind of shout that out with her rain slicker, and she's gonna get robbed by Academy Award winner Sam Rockwell and Friends.

SPEAKER_08 54:57

Smoking is that is the case.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

We see we see nothing. All of this happens in the shadows, it's all sound effects.

SPEAKER_08 55:04

Something that I love about how they shot this. They do that a couple times in this movie, and then you just hear whiffer.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

I don't know if any either of us did the whiffer. It's great when the movie does this at times where it's like it matters to you intensely as an audience member what's happening, and it's so provocative and engaging. And at the end of the movie, you've seen it enough, like you know how this goes. And so it does it when it matters the most and matters the least, and I just find that so genius. April is trying to stand up for herself, get saved by the turtles, but Raphael loses a sigh. A sigh. Damn, we're in the sewers with them, and everything is still in shadow. Like everything is in silhouette.

SPEAKER_08 55:57

We see a little bit of we hear some voices, we're going through, we're introducing what the sewers look like. We haven't even seen their shadows yet, and you're hearing them talk, and then those are sets, right? Oh, I yeah, yeah, yeah. They're amazing. They probably kept flipping them and oh, it's the same section over and over again, just like with the corners turned. Yeah. It's so good though.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

But it's so many shows good.

SPEAKER_08 56:18

Like that's Star Trek. I mean, that's the same hallway overall.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

It's yeah, it's literally like 40 feet of hallway, and that's it. And this is uh it's probably 60 feet of whatever, and then maybe a little offshoot or something, like a little turn that can happen. So much of this movie happens on a sound stage, but when the title flies up at the screen, it's just fucking rock and roll. There's a guitar chord. Righteous! And they're doing this when they have a victorious moment, they like to throw out verbs.

SPEAKER_10 56:58

What's a verb?

SPEAKER_02 56:59

Celebratory is that a verbs. No cow bunga. Not uh they save that, they save it, they save it for a special moment in a special being special person, yes, and we meet a very special person, Splinter. Immediately, this Bruce is when I am saying because Splinter is just like, hey, fucking nuggets of wisdom about caring about yourself and chosen family and love and decency and all the shit all the time, and the movie is never talking down.

SPEAKER_08 57:36

Nope. And all of his moments that he where he does is throughout the whole film, rather than just dumped at the very beginning. Same with backstory. Backstory instead of like a lot of they just info dump at the very beginning of a movie, it's really boring to get all the get get you caught up in this movie. Splinter takes chunks throughout the film to then bring them up as nuggets of truth and wisdom that also educates you on like what this whole what the backstory is, but also it's a turning point or an educational moment for the turtles or whoever's or um forgot the kid's name. Um Danny, Danny.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Moments like that. Sam Rockwell. Like there are moments that happen throughout the movie, and part of it is because the movie is told from the point of view of two great storytellers, April O'Neill and Master Splinter, telling us these stories through various points of narration in various methods, like her doing it through the news and then doing it later on in the movie, and again in the news. It's it's hitting all the it's just so beautifully written. The editing and the execution is kind of like in an echelon of special. It's just it feels like a movie that does not get proper respect because of uh franchises, because of family entertainment labels. Where do you think that comes from?

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Other kids in Springfield are SOBs.

SPEAKER_08 59:02

It was also just lit and colored really well, too. It made it feel really beautiful. It made it feel grounded in reality with something so absurd.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Because everything feels tangible and physical, and there are wrinkles and bruises and these and seams and and turkey neck and things poor bloody rat at times. You yeah, it's the very specific character stuff it does too. Like in the very beginning, as Splinter's telling everybody, like, you're awesome, be a ninja, don't be seen. That's the best. Uh I love you, you honor me, and all this shit.

SPEAKER_10 59:42

And Rafael's like, I lost a sigh, I can get it back, and he lost it in it's gone.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

Who gives a shit? Who gives a hoot? Gold jacket, green jacket, sigh, sword? We'll we'll get you another one. But there is a level of personal honor that's so important. Balanced in this character. It's so well defined so quickly what the personalities are of all these characters.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:06

I was just gonna get to that. Like, even just from the from them jumping out of the shadows in their first lines, you know who each turtle is and like what kind of archetype they represent. And then we meet Splinter, and it's the same, it's the same thing. We we understand this dynamic, we understand who they are, and now we're gonna learn more about them. But we we've got they set it up so quickly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

And the fun that they have as Raphael's like, I'm gonna go see a fucking movie, I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:32

Also, they set up them being teenagers, yeah, kids, like them ordering a pizza, quite a tikkin, dude, and then they they turn to each other and they giggle, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

It's so beautifully fucking executed and just well thought out. It's just so intentional. When they're outside of the sand lot, when they're dancing to tequila, it's one of my favorite uses of that song in a movie. Ninjutsu! Like they're just 14, 15-year-old kids.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:01

They're told to like work on their practice on their studies in Michael.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

Tequila. This is a way to do that. Like, we can dance and sing our way through this. We're just gonna have a good time. And kids, as they're gonna pick up the pizza that's being delivered, if he's not here in 30 minutes, it's three bucks off. And Donatello goes to have a heart to heart with Michelangelo and is like, hey, do you think Raphael's like okay? Like, what do we do? And Michelangelo, all Michelangelo thinks about is food. He says also ever wonder what it would be like without Splinter. Oh, that's the big that's the biggest piece, yeah. And it's ignored. Yeah, that's he completely ignores him. All he's thinking about is food. No 14 or 15 year old wants to sit down.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:45

And that shows also age, but also shows that like the type of shit we're gonna be getting into in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

So good at foreshadowing, like it's like, we hope you're having fun because shit's gonna get serious, because life is fucking hard. Sorry, there was a level of that that I think that came, especially in movies in the 70s, 80s, very specifically in 90s, that just really kind of expressed that. Life is tough. There are gonna be a lot of fucking hurdles, even if you're a super strong, smart, upright talking turtle, things are gonna be really rough. Things are not easy for Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:24

Yeah, that's one of my favorite visuals, also, is is Mikey and in Donatello just sitting in the sewer and Donatello sucking on the popsicle stick. Yeah. And it's like nice night. And like it's just like a lovely moment, it's shot really well. Yeah. And also the silhouette of the sewer grate. He goes to put the popsicle stick back in his mouth and he misses, and he hits his upper, he hits the lip of the puppet, pokes it twice, and then finds it. But it it's like it's just like uh I thought he was just like tapping it against his lip.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Like the physical acting of the I wish this were a video podcast. Maybe someday.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:06

Speaking of three stooges, wow, wow, wow, wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

Oh, well done. He blocked me while I was going for his eyeballs and he blocked me. That's I think the one kind of weakness in this movie. Once you get past a certain age, like it a lot of the jokes are universal, they're timeless, they're just dad jokes and shit like that. And low-hanging fruit and three stooges, and three stooges, but the current generation, I think it's I don't know. Maybe I just hate that the Michael Bay movies were made for a specific generation. I don't know. Maybe that speaks to those people, kind of like the prequels. Is that what the thing is with Mutant Mayhem? Because I felt like it was so referential and it was so good at using music, and it's so good at the mixed media, and I think that's kind of what this movie was really good at doing was using plates and photography and lighting and editing and costumes and animatronics, all these things, like so fucking cohesively, and then the script just being like an absolute fucking chainsaw, it is a banger. Like when Raphael is leaving the movies in his trench coat and it's critters that's playing, and he's like, and what it what's the line that he says? He's like, geez, like people watch anything, or whatever. Like, it's a direct reference to the movie you're watching. Then it's like, why are people what are you doing? Like, yeah, critters. That's you're literally watching the same thing, and Raphael's telling you, This is bad, you're gonna hate it. Like, and I think only for the most part, an adult is gonna get that joke, and it's almost like a dunk on the people that don't get the joke. If you if you don't know what you're walking in on, here you go.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:52

Yeah, like here's a little exactly Casey Jones, yes, so yeah, the tripping of the uh the purse snatchers right flashes a sigh, points at it, and then they're like, Oh, like it's like a fucking oozy who points at it.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:12

Yeah, that I love that. I'm like, dude, you don't have to point at shit. I can see your face.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:22

I need to go goodbye.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:27

Is covering your very round head. Is it so?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

In terms of the Casey Jones thing, the hockey mask, I I almost would have preferred like a real world, like more practical, almost maybe they're trying to avoid looking too much like Jason and want to honor the comic. It's extreme looking, it's otherworldly looking to a degree, looks custom made, like he's a vigilante. I don't remember the story of that character, but there's a part of me that's like, man, why couldn't it would have been cool if he just had like an old school hockey mask in a way?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:57

But Jason's so iconic in it just yeah, you know. If he was in a regular hockey mask, at some point someone's gonna look at that and I was like, why is Jason so skinny? And what what's with the long hair? And I don't want to have to deal with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

So you had a reaction when I said Elias Cotteis, right? Oh yeah. This is one of my favorite unsung character actors that we haven't talked about enough on this program. I think he's so brilliant.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:22

I remember when I first recognized him again as I got older and was into film and stuff, was apt pupil.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:29

Oh wow, okay. Yeah, for me it's thin red line. Very intense fucking movies, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very intense. And then then it just followed like, oh, what else is what else has he been in?

SPEAKER_08 1:06:39

I was like, that was my my next special actor.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

Because there's a level of I think that it sells the way that he realizes it takes a moment, it what it's nighttime. How do we need to ground this? I don't just keep yes, movie go, go, go. But where Casey Jones is like, okay, bogey, especially weird punkers and green makeup, and the way he's saying it, the speed of it, the cadence.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:05

I feel it's like yeah, this guy's realizing this. And perfectly the music adds to it so much, like just frames the scene so well.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:13

The dun dun dun dun dun dummy and speeding up the barbs that they're exchanging where Casey Jones, where he's saying, I'm gonna be your instructor, Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:25

The play, the play in this fight. Yes, that's where it's a kid's movie the way that these characters, no matter whether they're adults or teachers, they like to play. They're playing.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

They're having fun time. There's an East Coasty bop bup up, like it's like a tennis match.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:42

That's how it's a kids' movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:43

What is this? A Konseco bat? Please tell me. You didn't pay money for this. And and Casey Jones like gets gets his little hit in. Whiffa! And he ends up having to take out the cricket bat, and I still say this this same way to this day. Raphael's like, you gotta understand what a crumpany is to understand cricket, like that whole thing, but where Casey Jones goes, I'll teach you, and just uppercuts him with that fucking thing. This doesn't realistically display the brutality of some of the violence in this movie. So it's one of those things where it's like, oh, everybody's okay. Like, no matter what happens, like, oh no, he's okay, Master Tatsu. It's fine. Yeah, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:31

And then we just need to have a turtle in a in a one of those old classic waistbins with just his legs sticking out.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

It's funny, it's a funny visual. It's like a three-stoogie kind of. It's a great first interaction of these two characters.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:45

Now we're gonna take a break from them.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

Is there a Bob Hoskins-y who framed Roger Rabbit-Y thing that's happening with Raphael in this outfit? Is that a thing? Is Raphael Bob Hoskins? Maybe. It's one of the this performance, the performances by all the folks inside these turtles and working the animatronics and all this shit. I personally feel like the Raphael performance in particular is pretty fucking great. Yeah. Leonardo, especially when sad, very, very sad. But there's a level of physical acting that the people inside of these suits are doing that is superhuman.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:21

That's the other thing. The physicality of all four turtles, you can tell them apart. Turn the volume off, you know, cover their heads. I don't know. You just look at their bodies and how they're moving, like you know which one's which. Like when I say who's the sad one. Well, Leonardo, he's he's well, he's he's sensitive and he's trying to be a leader, and he doesn't know what that means yet. Who slouches? That's uh is that Donatello or is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

Or like his like I've I feel like Donatello has a tendency to slouch more than the other turtles. Like Raphael, I think with his belt line. There's different physical intention from every one of these actors for specific reasoning.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:02

Like Michael Angel is just his dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

Yeah, he moves with like this dancery, more prancy. Okay, so we go back to the lair, and Splinter shares shared all of Yoshi's wisdom. That was the that's what we kind of find out in this exposition dump.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:26

Yeah, he got back after curfew.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Yeah, and it's it's all about family. Hey Dwayne. It's all about family. Hey Dwayne. Charles and Danny show up. We meet all the major players for the most part. Uh I think in the first act.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:41

There's one line, I'm sorry, I just have to go back and just say this one. Please. Raph goes chasing after him, jumps over uh the cab, gets hit by the cab, and goes over and is like, what was that? Looks like some sort of big turtle in a trench coat is the line. You're going to Little Guardian, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Yeah. Followed by that. Do you know who that is in the back of the cab? Uh, I recognize him. I can't think of his. It's Raphael. Oh! Raphael out of the suit in the back of the cab. That line is fucking awesome. And I think it really sells kind of the east coastiness of the like, yeah, shit's weird. What are we doing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:19

Look like some sort of big turtle.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

In a trench coat. I enjoyed the shit out of that. That's scotch. Uh scotch and water hold the scotch. That's pouring, by the way. Which means everyone. Just so everybody. Hey, all right. You're quick. We get it.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:36

Yeah, I know. Looks like some kind of uh big water in a glass with ice. You go into Burbank, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:45

So Charles and Danny, Charles the boss of April, and Danny the son, who they establish very quickly, is disheartened. Danny is because his dad is too dedicated to his job. That's so clear because the dad's disheveled and anxious and upset, and Danny steals money.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:03

And we and we know this now, also that that was the kid from the beginning of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:07

We see him kind of working with the foot, like quietly, kind of like being a spotter.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:13

So yeah, now it's like he's putting putting it together. Touch my goddamn hand, man. And I think every he doesn't wear a shirt that does not have Sid Vicious on it. Right. He wears two shirts on it. At the end, maybe there are two shirts. No, because that shirt also has Sid Vicious on it. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

No, you're right, you're right, you're right. That specifically, yeah, yeah. They're different shirts, but both Sid Vicious shirts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:33

Over the course of the movie, you wears two shirts for over the weeks that this movie takes place in.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

Yeah, how long is it? Like, is that a flaw? No, no. Is it like six or eight days? No, because it's a few. You think it's a couple weeks?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:44

I thought so. I thought we'll get to I I think when they go when the turtles go out of town, I thought that was I thought there's a line that mentions that they hadn't been here for maybe it was just a few days.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

I thought it was I thought Splinter says, I haven't seen you for days to Danny at a point. Yes, but the turtles are out of town for even longer. Right. Yeah, you're probably right. I don't know. Who cares? Pick it. Yeah. Yeah. So st we hear Chief Stearns's plan to get crime down in New York as April is interviewing him, and the dialogue here is so great because he's saying a bunch of not nonsense stuff, but strategical shit that sounds really fancy, where it's just like, yeah, we're trying to figure out the pattern, and we got guys working in shifts. And that's all he's saying. And April's like, just say it in plain English, dude. Like, don't be a fucking asshole. Stearns is pissed off at her, she makes her record getting kicked out of his office, and now April is gonna take the subway to get back home. And this is after we see the shredder only in a shadow. Only like a knife throw. Uh right?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:52

We don't see him yet. We haven't no, we haven't seen him yet. He's pissed about the Chief Stern's uh. And then Danny thing happens. Danny gets out of the car, runs away, goes into the house, and then that's the that's the here we go.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:05

Right, yeah, do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:07

Do it, do it. First, first shot is the the kid with the cigar. Playing Pokemon.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Any anything you want to do, do it. Sam Rockwell, regular or menthol. Five cards of menthol.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:19

That's when we see that's when we see Shredder for the fur no.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:22

No, we don't see this. He throws a knife at a TV at the end of like kind of this exposition of this is how these children live, this is what they're trapped by or with. Because right, right here is where April gets attacked on the subway, and she's like unafraid. She pulls out the sigh.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:42

Yes, that's right. And the and the turtles that are also saw that broadcast. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah, so then yeah, down on the subway, the foot come out. We haven't seen Shredder yet. We have a message for you, uh Miss O'Neill.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:56

And she's like sassy. Fuck you guys. She has all these like comebacks and quips and and a sigh, and pulls out Raphael's sigh. She starts using her bag, like just goes after them.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:10

And this is the moment where Raphael, who's been tailing her to get his sigh back, which made it easier after making the connection that this is the a news reporter, so and she was just at the chief of police's office and get there through the sewer easily, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:25

We are putting a lot of pieces together in this movie, man. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:29

There are there for a movie that's about mutant giant turtles. There's there's not a lot of holes.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:35

I can tell you the secret of the ooze. There's less holes than you'd think. Yeah. You get told the secret of the use. I don't have to tell you. April is in duress, she can't fight off these 20 guys or whatever it is. And Raphael, the POV shaky cam here. The way that this movie captures his anger specifically is so good.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:59

It's yeah, it they do it so well.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

So he gets an unconscious April back to the lair, but he is followed, unbeknownst to him. Going through the subways. Buris. It's the end of the first act, it's exactly 22 minutes into the movie. This is a barometer for how well is this gonna move along? How long is the third act gonna be? We're in good hands right now. These are writers, editors, directors working with each other in tandem to do something very special. I can tell you about cricket, whatever that is, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:35

But I can tell you I need to learn about crumpets first.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:39

That's the rumor. Uh-huh. Splinter scolds Raphael for bringing April there because he is smart enough to know that they are now at risk.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:47

But his point was valid. It's like, yes. She needed help. She all points all points are valid here. They were, yeah, she was getting attacked. I'm not gonna leave her with the attackers. Like he made a good valid point, and Splinter saw that and's like, alright, and then just gets right to it. Warm towel or cool towel and uh like starts telling to bring things for her. He knows what to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:10

This is great in terms of her just being freaked the fuck out because she should be, and putting together why they're in the dream. Like, I saw you, that rat, the other that explains you.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:23

Why can't I ever dream of Harrison Ford?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:26

Get off my plate.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:27

So this is where the editing and photography, I think, really start to sing is there is a clear choice of how this is going to look when Splinter starts telling this story that I think takes less than 90 seconds. It makes it clear that it's important. Drop of backstory. Right. We get an idea of what the mystery of all this stuff is, and they go to April's place to escort her back home, and all she can offer them is a frozen pizza.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:59

What? Let's go for it!

SPEAKER_08 1:18:03

The way he sprouts out of and the Yes, you can tell that it it slow that was to begin when they did it, and then how they sped it up. And it might have been bad, some things were backward at points. Yeah, I'm wondering, like, I think they dropped them down versus going up. It works so well though. Let's go for it. And you can that's what also I love about those movies. Like it sets yourself in like this real tone, yeah, but then like finds these areas to just be like, this is absurd.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:33

It is a fantasy movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:35

It's already absurd because of the characters we're dealing with, but grounded in this reality, but then we have these lovely, like, cartoonish moments that it creates a reality because you could easily say, what reality?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:47

Like, there's not much about this that's realistic. And it's like, no, the dynamics and the relationships and stuff that happen in this movie l exist in the reality that this movie has built. Not only like something that feels very real and tangible in our world, but things like dudes going, brrrrr, let's go for it. Yeah, okay. Totally works when they go back to the lair, when they're done helping April, the place is wrecked and Splinter is gone.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:15

We have to deal with the hard thing. I have to say, when they leave, it's Leonardo's Leo's going like we should get going, and then he worries.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

Yeah, he does. It said he's the responsible sad guy.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:27

Yeah, just the yeah, it's just an interesting line that I always I always catch. I was like, oh, it's just it's very telling. They do a good job of well, and also how that is the main setting up the roles.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

He's the one willing to be the quote unquote nerd or the wet blanket to be like dad loves us, we have to go, but in different words. And everybody else knows that and agrees with that and follows along. I think that's what makes him a leader is he's willing to just kind of say or do the thing that's unpopular, and I think that's what it takes in a lot of cases. Leonardo and Swinter are great, they're pretty great leader. Is Cyclops a great leader? I think he is in the comics.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:09

In the movies. You could say he has uh an eye for it. He's really locked in there. Just laser beam focus.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:17

I was so happy. I was like, let him cook.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

Don't speak. I know just what you're thinking, but I won't. When Rafael lets out that fucking scream.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:31

Oh, that's that's you talk about his like the shake. How they portray his shaky. Yeah. That spin around and that scream. Every time you feel it. You feel it. What?

Meet Me Halfway (through the movie)

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

And it's truly upsetting. This is the beauty of the movie in terms of not only the photography, but juggling tone. The next cut is the sewer grate they got the pizza from, and it's a guy being like, Holy shit, when he hears the scream. It's just some dude walking by. It's still dark. He still looks like a bright aspect on a dark part of the street and whatnot, and that this would be like, What the fuck is going on? Or what have you, as the Domino's guy did, or whatever. But it breaks up how upsetting that this character that we've already fallen in love with in Splinter is now gone. That the bad guys, what is it?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:17

Who has the John Doe has the upper hand now? And maybe even making the connection that, oh, this might have happened because I brought April back here. Correct. Putting the blame on himself and having that inner anger then just explode.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:30

It's so good and in ways so relatable, especially to when I was a teenager. Getting punished for doing something good. Yeah. For having good intentions. Uh anonymously moving on. April has taken them in, and the chief is gonna use as leverage as Danny has been picked up, as we saw earlier in the movie, by the cops. Yeah. The chief is like, Charles, you want Danny out? That's cool, but you gotta fucking handle your reporter. Charles goes to do that. We have talked about some of the three stooges of this movie. Interrupting a sleepover. There's blankets and shit on the floor.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:12

That's great. And and uh and stuffed animals.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:15

Yeah. There's like a big panda or whatever it is under the table. Again, the editing, when Danny looks in the mirror and Michelangelo's there, and suddenly the speed of the editing, that's not anything magical. It feels magical. When the magical one is when is it Donatello? Donatello's in the shower. That is magical.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:36

Don't, don't, don't open up, not there anymore. And then you see a shell in the ceiling in the little so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:43

And it again, it's not magical. It's an edit. Yeah. And it's done so well. So Danny is done with this fucking.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:52

Oh, yeah. No, yeah, no, please. Oh, this is after they leave. This is right after they leave. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:57

Charles and Danny are in the car. Charles just can't relate. Grown-ups just don't understand. And Danny is fucking out. All he wants is for his dad to tell him, like, I love you. I know you're trying hard. The world's hard. I think Sid Vicious is cool. I'll get used to it. Yeah, I'll I'll wait in the car outside. Just the time. The care.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:19

Poor Danny. You can tell the dad worries. He just doesn't know how to say in a way that good dad. Because all dads care.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:29

I'm with ya. This movie cuts deep with the themes. It does. It's hard to talk around some of these things.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:37

So yeah, so at this point, then Danny takes his moment when they're stopped at a light and he jumps out of the car and he runs off. Yeah. Um, and then he goes to kid the kid fun zone. Oh, your friend little kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:51

Of the foot plan. It's just it's just a discovery zone. That's all it is. Uh it's just a fucking discovery zone with a half pipe.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:02

Uh with cigars and cigarettes. Menthals, baby. And the half pipe always reminds me of hook. It just feels like it feels like very, very Rufio.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:10

This house respects Rufio, right? Oh, yes. Okay, good. We are a house of Rufio. Excellent. Tatsu, though, not Tatsu's He's not happy to be a big thing. Loyalty, what's his kids?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:20

A loyalty is to the shredder.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:22

Yeah, he's the worst boss. He's watching all these kids have fun and he's just like his arms across and he's not smiling. It's like, oh god, he hates this part of this job. Who's worse?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:33

Tatsu or Terry Balea as Hulk Hogan as Mr. Nanny? Who's worse?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:41

This is done.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:43

I mean, Tatsu's amazing. Tatsu is amazing. Like, he's more memorable. But he's like, he's more memorable to me than sure. He kills a kid though. Oh yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:53

In France. That's where he's so good in this movie. Bonsoir. He grounds his back into the danger. In the French version, do you think Tatsu went bonsoir mon ami? And then karate chopped him in the neck.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:09

I'm gonna help you get back on track. Okay, thank you. There's somebody above Tatsu that Tatsu loves.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:16

Then we've got this beautiful one-shot that I think it starts overhead, and we see this shadowy figure with glistening like shiny bits. Don't can't tell what it is yet. It's amazing. And it just it goes over top and then it follows him in. Comes around. And yeah, and then it he stops, he looks one direction, the camera starts panning one way around, sees some, so you see the kids up the crowd that's watching them up in the rafters. Danny specifically and then turns the other way, and the camera pans around again to show us the other side to show that he is surrounded by teenagers that have come here for cigarettes and poker. And crumb, yeah. Yeah, because they they felt that they didn't have a family, right? And so they're making good shows. Then that's their whole marketing scheme for the foot is like when you're here, you're family.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:16

The symbol that you wear upon your brow is for the olive garden. Never-ending breadsticks.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:24

You're too loyal to the salad, but it's all one shot.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:27

And then it cuts the Tatsu disrobe uh taking the cape off of his um his shoulder pads.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:34

This incredible, like what, 15-20-foot cape? Yeah that's like flowing and it's just shimmering.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:42

They use a lot like their use of stillness taking their time with this entrance and ceremony to them reveal this really cool costume, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:53

Even yeah, even a guy's never short of can opener, right? Never needs a can opener. And with some like uh with some Batman riffs, you know, dude. It's so good. The gauntlets that he has and stuff, they're great. So Splinter is chained up, and Danny has betrayed everybody fully at this point. He's super into the foot because he's like the ramsters or the heavensgate people.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:18

Shredder gave the whole speech, and then Danny shows up and is like, I basically say I know where I'm into this, I know where the turtles are, I'll help you.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:25

So the April obsession, by the way, is they're like, she's a babe, is like understandable but upsetting. I had the same thought.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:34

I was like, well, and I just was like, they don't have other turtles to oh, sure. Oh no, let's not unpack this too far. I know. Like I was like, this is a really weird thing. I was like, I can accept it it in the world that we've created, and then but when I it there's something about it that it's weird, yeah, it's weird, it'll always be weird. And I was like trying to validate it when I was watching, I was like, What? And it's like, nope, I can't nope, go in. This is a weird hold of so drop down.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:06

Yeah, a little bit, but either way, because it was working when it was Raphael just being kind of haphazardly valiant, valiant by accident. That was totally working.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:17

But the April obsession is Michelangelo has a crush, and Leo thinks she's a total bib.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:22

Yep, and Raphael is real mad about the whole thing, and there's a lot of infighting. But uh, hey, pork grind. Pork grind. The way that Michelangelo and Donatello specifically deflect with food and jokes really works.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:39

They know that an argument's coming, like Molly, gallusly.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:43

It's a dynamic. We out. I'm gonna go do something else. Raphael goes to the roof and is like immediately spotted by accident, by luck, by fate, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:59

Casey Jones. He's scoping out the city, he's got binoculars, he's looking for crime to then do something about in the evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:07

Okay. We're talking about some things about this movie that are like not working as well for me, anyway. You know what does really work for me? The second unit shots of New York that make it feel like a New York movie at times when clearly they spent m not much, if any, time there, and you're nodding your head like they work for you too. And the backdrops, the backdrops in the way the movie's shot, make the backdrops really work too. Yeah. Raphael during his workout, he's just a dude working out, minding his own fucking business. Letting some steam. Yep, and these guys just doing this pull-ups, and these guys come and attack him. The foot find the antique shop and come and attack Raphael, and they beat the shit out of him.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:56

And they make sure to reference Abel saying, like, should we go check on Raf the entire time? And everyone just blows off, nah, he does this. He needs to blow off steam. This is what he does. He's fine. Yep. Meanwhile, he's he's getting his ass beat.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:09

He's not fine. And when he drops, the way they build the dialogue, like you were saying, and the dynamic, when Raf drops through the window, he should be back any minute and just hits the floor. Comedically, it works. It's a brutal moment, like when Raf is experiencing his anger and somebody's walking by the sewer, he gets his ass kicked and dropped through a window, a skylight, a framed skylight, and everybody's just and it's used for comedy to break up the fact that this horrible he's getting dragged down the stairs. Yeah, and it's used for comedy, and it's effective. Is he alive?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:47

Barely one single pop.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:49

The Michelangelo Nunchuck contest. Fantastic. Okay, good. Fantastic. Do you think the spinning chain move that Michelangelo wins it with is the best move?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:01

It doesn't make any sense, but I love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:03

I think it's so good and it looks like we haven't practiced enough yet, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:07

Keep practicing, but the guy, I think the guy who I think might actually be Michelangelo, the guy in the foot uh uniform, is really good. Yeah, he's super good.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:18

Casey Jones shows up, saves the day. Yeah, they're all fighting, they're doing fun turtly fights, bits, and stuff, spinning on the ground on the shelf, smashing, uh making a foot sandwich with two shells back to back, smashing together, all that.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

It's all great, and then but then the music changes.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:35

Also, I have to say, in that fight, the very beginning, Leo has his swords, and he's using his swords, and then he gets kicked and he drops them, and so the rest of the time he's hand to hand. Yeah, yeah. Because how else are you gonna explain that there's not a bunch of stab wounds and uh you know body parts flying from him using his swords?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:52

They do a good job of making sure the movie doesn't get overly happy with the killing. The movie has some killing. It happens. So no, it has some killing. Absolutely. By the end, there are a couple foot dudes in that compactor at the end of the movie, one assumes that weren't Shredder that maybe didn't survive. They drop through the floor as Donatello foresees, flexing his smarts because he's the smart one. And the yeah, the emotionally in tune one. And says the structural integrity is gonna break, and Corey Feldman doing a great, apparently underpaid job.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:25

Also they're failing at chopping at Michelangelo with a giant axe into the floor.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:31

The only save in the forest if you guys were loggers, the only save thing that would be safe in the forest is the trees. It's jokes like that. Uh-huh. The antique shop is on fire. It's Dunzo. Casey's saving the day, self-sacrificing to help who he hit quickly understands. Oh, these are the good guys. Like you expect somebody smart in a movie to figure out pretty fucking quickly. And they all leave as April is getting the message that she's fired from the burning message machine that drops. She didn't get the message. Right. That's all that's all I want to say. You're right. The message is left for her with Casey Jones and trust. Sorry if this is sorry if I'm dropping this on your head or whatever. And then it drops on the foot guy's head. Again, it's comedy.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:18

Beautifully juggling tone. And then we see April looking at her burnt her house and her father's store burning to the ground. Another father aspect, yeah. Where she's like, take him on a tour, like you want to see the store that I inherited, and like yeah, that has all of like his like their memories here and stuff. Yeah. And then it burned to the ground immediately. Yeah. Done with that storm.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:38

She even says, like, this place has everything, and she's just so broken. That little piece of acting in that slow motion is really, really nice. The reflection of the burning building is really pretty, too. Shredder and Splinter have a talk, by the way. And Shredder is really fucking rough with Splinter. Like, that is one of those things where it's like, these are puppets. No one is being hurt, no one is at risk.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:01

But the acting job, the puppeteers and the actors are doing chain to the fence there is a sight that's just ingrained in me. Like it doesn't you can't help but feel something. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:13

Yeah, it's well and if if you're listening to him when he's telling Danny, everything he's saying to Danny is the truth. Like, your dad loves you, he's a good dad, he's just you know, we choose our family.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:23

This family doesn't seem yeah, yeah, but just they don't seem to give a shit about you or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:30

Like, this something else is going on here. And we go to April's second home, which is a farmhouse like out of the city.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:38

Yeah, we go into road trip mode.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:41

Yeah. Casey is such a delightful prick, in my opinion. The way that the chemistry of those two actors like really stirs the drink. It's nice, I think. Do you believe it? Do you buy it too?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:54

Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, they're they're bickering at each other. But there's a sexual energy, yes. That's and that's why they're bickering, you know, it's they're connected.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:03

There's this level of taking each other down a peg all the time, yeah. That I think works really, really well. We were talking about some of the time capsule-ishness of this. It is like the moonlighting joke that one of them makes here, where it's like 90% of 99% of some audiences are gonna be like, huh? And some of that does happen. The whole place is being kind of fixed up to a degree, cars are being fixed up and stuff starting to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:31

Yes, uh, and the place was dilapidated, and they're yeah, and they're they're taking their time to get one with themselves and have Raph heal and try to figure out what the next step is.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:42

And it and it's uh several days.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:44

Yeah, and it's great. Donatello's like kind of bonds with Casey, and that's super cool. It was like and they start like calling each other names.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:51

That's always like alphabetically, like there's a call. Yeah, yeah, they of course with Donatello, there's some sort of intelligence.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:58

There's gotta be some, yeah, something else to it. And then cut to Leo just sitting in vigilant uh over uh Raph as he's recovering and vigilant guard or whatever she says.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:09

The April voiceover is essential here. Yeah, her having these three moments of voiceover as a reporter, as a uh collaborator, and then again as a reporter. It really ties the room together. Splinter has a few of these too inside of the April ones almost.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:26

And then she she's she's making these sketches of the turtles, which are also just really good. They're crazy good, and they serve a purpose that we'll find out later. It's probably Eastman and Laird who did them. But I like they're just yeah, they're really well done. Like, and just the specificity because they do the one of Leo standing vigilant, you know, legs, you know, and then we because we cut to the shot of him in that same pose, but in the drawing, there was also an alternate where they had the leg out in that wasn't fully sketched in. And I was like, that's just such a specific detail to an artist creating a drawing, yeah. Yeah, that instead of just having like the finished thing that you see nowadays, if you're like, oh yeah, I made a paint. And that edit is so perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:08

Yeah, it's the transition of the animated to the it's so good. So Shredder now, who's becoming a big part of the story and is introduced at like the perfect time as a character because he's been mentioned to degrees in ways I mean his presence is there be via the foot, and now we're meeting the leader, and it happened right after the first act, basically. Like right about halfway in the movie. Yeah, yeah. Almost perfectly halfway into the movie. And the fact that he has sensed something from the past, that moment there where he just says that lets you know that there is potentially outside of all the aforementioned and done, there is like a level of mysticism that exists in this world, like fucking sensing shits, uh psychosychic power.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:56

You said, like, yeah, the way that their martial arts, uh the turtles' martial art, was described to him, yeah, sounded eerily familiar.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:03

Yeah. The turtles are now Raf recovered and turtle wax applied.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:09

I am and the whole thing's a guy gotta do to get a bite and get a to get some food around here.

unknown 1:38:18

Raf.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:19

Oh, Leo's so happy. And Raf's got like the bruises and stuff. Like they're they're so very tender moment.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:26

It's yeah, like that whole like that's go too much on this, but just that's just their their time on the ranch or the farm, whatever it is, like and have like there's that there's some real shit going on there, just like having them like passed out in a in a bathtub and stuff, not usual visuals that you'd find in a kid's movie, and not topics that we normally like cover in the way that they're told here.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:47

Well, in the way the dynamic is you established it perfectly just like the movie has. When Michelangelo and Donatello understand that Leo and Raf are going through something, they're productive in whatever other ways. For the movie, it may be providing comic relief or helping fix a truck or make a dinner, yeah, or whatever it is. Like they're always still productive after this thing happens, you can say that they're working through their feelings also through these yeah, through comedy, that's how they cope. And the the training that happens for the fight here and the fucking score, and the moves they're doing and shit. I can tell you, I probably did this a week ago in terms of the moves, and the way that like Donatello or Michelangelo makes the turtle wax joke, like breaks that up before we then go into the super serious mysticism seriousness.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:44

Yes, the meditation that that Leo has, and it's like everyone has to join and do this, and we have this moment where then they get to talk to uh Splinter as like a force ghost. How do you feel about that effect? Oh, it's great. I mean, it's practical too, like the blue flame. That was all I'm just I just imagine the guy that's turning up the gas, you know, under the stages broken, yeah. But it's great, it's it's powerful, and and it's interesting also the end of that moment, Raphael is smiling and is happy because because Splinter is alive, and and him and Leo are having that moment. Michelangelo, who always resorts to being funny comedy, is crying. Yeah, yeah. And Donatello is consoling him. Yeah. As you were just talking about their roles when serious things happen have now flipped.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:37

Yeah, no, and it's important that this happens. We lean on each other differently. Yeah. Our chosen family, we lean on each other differently at different times. The the mind meld thing that they do, and the effect of bringing Splinter in, not only emotionally, but the actual special effect in the movie, fucking iron to me. I think it is there's a level of perfection to that effect, the sound of the fire, the way that the turtles are lit. We are talking so much about the practicality, the actual filmmaking stuff of this movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:13

And I think the blue flame specifically, I think helps cover the effect of the translucent splinter that they have to, yeah, the special effect of that. Which is like the color of the fire was definitely to help cover that like fill-in.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:27

Yeah, it's a plate or a blue screen plate, something like that. Usually we just type a bunch of cash. The turtles have now recovered, and so they're gonna go back to the store and back to their place, to their original lair, which I don't know home. Smart that is. Donatello, where are you? This is your job, and Danny's there. And when Leonardo is holding the sword up to him, and Danny goes, Don't shoot! And somebody goes, It's not, I don't think it's loaded. It's not loaded, it's not loaded. And the call out immediately by Donatello to Casey Jones of the claustrophobia, oh, you're a claustrophobic. You're not identical twins. He's just so quick with it. It would I have a brother. Depending on the need for it, if there were a stoner pie from hosterers of penicillin pizza, would you be interested?

SPEAKER_08 1:42:21

That's so coated.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:23

I mean, that's the thing, is if you needed penicillin for any reason, would you like it in the form of an easy and convenient microwaveable pizza?

SPEAKER_08 1:42:30

Oh, yeah, like a hot like a hot pocket. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:33

It's similar to Vanilla Viagra or cricket.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:36

How does that shit work? As long as it like burns all the taste buds off in my mouth. Yep. Like every uh Jean-Claude Van Damme movie where they burn his fingerprints off. I'm still kicking it. Hell yeah. Just be on bread. Yeah, which double team. Yeah. Like that. As long as the hot pocket does that to my mouth. Him and Dennis Rodman.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:54

Just never gonna taste anything again. Yeah. Just like the good old days. Casey follows Danny out after Danny is having nightmares about all the horrible things he's done and paying a penance for it. Casey follows him from his truck because he couldn't sleep in the sewers with them. Also couldn't sleep on the truck. Nope, couldn't sleep at all. Thankfully, I guess. And we find out the backstory of Master Yoshi and the Shredder, Orokusaki, when Danny and Splinter talk. And Danny sometimes is quite a useful little vessel for the audience.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:35

Yeah. He's our little like moral um compass that's like trying to figure out its own journey and you know. Yeah. But we're learning he has a conscience. He feels he he's not without a soul. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:47

He's just a kid who's got a dad who thinks that what matters is I make enough more than enough money for the both of us, and it's like, dad, I just want to play some fucking mini golf and smoke some menthols, dog. Smoking!

SPEAKER_08 1:44:01

That's cool because maybe there's something else going on here.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:03

Right. The turtles show up and they're, you know, kicking ass in terms of their now current encounter with the foot clan, but Casey's getting his ass kicked by Tatsu.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:17

So, but first though, he he beats up that foot guy, he he like taps the foot guy on the shoulder, he turns around, knocks him out, the foot guy falls, and immediately Casey Jones pops up in the outfit.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:28

Yeah. It's so good, it's so funny. Yeah. And he he as an adult is seeing what has been reported on throughout the city for weeks or whatever it is up to this point, of where all this stuff is going, where are all these valuables and who is behind all this? It's just this group of kids that's being pushed around by the scary cult leader and his very dedicated pal.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:53

Yeah. And we and he finds Danny, who we just overheard Shredder telling Tatsu to kill Splinter. Yes. And so Casey Jones is trying to get Danny out of there, and Danny's the one that stops him and goes, they're gonna kill Splinter. Good point. Because also he doesn't he has a miss Splinter, he doesn't know that someone's missing, but he just knows Splinter exists, and so that brings then the introduction of Splinter, and he looks at him and he goes, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:17

Okay, oh cool, all right, let's go. Yeah, and so Casey Jones is getting his ass kicked, but as he seems to be, he has a prowess with sporting goods equipment and decks Tatsu with like a three-wood or whatever, yeah, and knocks him for real loop to save Splinter. Yeah, he was losing it, right? But he didn't have a prop. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:40

He he's uh he needs something in his hands.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:42

Sam Rockwell is like, we're loyal to the Shredder, and Casey Jones and mostly Splinter are like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, like this guy's using you.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:52

This is a chosen family and is like, this is a family?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:55

This is a family, family, and then that's what like makes them all go just silent and like oh you're we'll so forget about it, cuz there's so many just loose ends in this movie that could just go unnoticed and probably wouldn't matter, but they wrap all of it up beautifully.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:11

Splinter has a really lovely nugget in here as well. He does to them, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:14

Here we go again in terms of the sh the shredder dropping in on the teenage mutant ninja turtles. I say, here we go again. They're here we go again with the foot. The shredder drops in in slow-mo. And this is the first time the turtles are seeing him.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:31

After they've been having a winning fight from when they were um invaded again in the sewers in their home, which is the other silent thunder, and then they makes it up to the roof, and they've now won again and they're celebrating. And then we get we get Shredder.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:47

And the way he drops and the music and the slow-mo. And Shredder is winning as the kids show up with Casey and you know, the broken down I haven't eaten in days. I'm no pizza rat. Splinter shows up, he's not feeling too spry, but he's suddenly fucking gone. Casey's like, Where's Splinter? Yeah, where's Poochie? And Casey pulls the garbage truck into place, getting a couple foot soldiers back there, and the whole deal.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:19

Oh, yeah, knocking them off the fire escape. Yeah. And meanwhile, the turtles are all attacking Shredder one at a time.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:26

Yeah. And Shredder even says, like, what are you guys doing? You all just came at me. We found out that through the exposition, that Splinter, these turtles grew from this ooze, and Splinter was like an aficionado of this discipline of the martial arts. Shredder's cage. And the Shredder killed the master, the master's wife, took Splinter's ear. Splinter's out for vengeance, and Splinter shows up at the perfect time. And I'm very when things get real.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:59

He was saving the energy. Shredder pins Leonardo.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:04

With he dies yeah, spear to his throat, tells him to throw the weapons over the rooftop, which is a very key moment because the because of the num chuck. But then yeah, just like, you I can't believe you just did that. Well, now you're gonna share the same fate because I'm still gonna kill him.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:18

It's harsh, dude. And well, and like the Shredder realizing that this freak, this creature, this critter, this thing that he's been down talking and beating on, and had the chance to kill multiple times, and Splinter basically explains like, You killed my master, like Orokusaki, death comes for us all, but when you die, it will be without honor. And the way that Splinter just like cold fucking gangster shit just looks him in the eyes and drops him.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:51

Drops him for a very particular reason. Because Well, yeah, the spear comes, he locks it with the nun traps, Shredder pulls out a knife to throw at him, and Splinter uses one of his hands and he's using the hold Shredder up still to catch the frickin' knife.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:05

I like what I said. What you said is way more accurate, but I like that like Splinter he tells him without telling, like, when you die, doesn't necessarily it's not saying I'm going to kill you, but it is saying like I'm willing to kill you. And Shredder pushed him to the point. You're right.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:20

Well, yeah, no, Shredder made the decision there, and like this this fate is now chosen by you because I have to grab this thing. That was your choice. I was gonna maybe not drop you.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:30

That's one of the things that sucks about the second movie is that like it doesn't commit to the killing of Shredder. And it Well, well, yeah. So he falls into the garbage fucking movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:39

He falls into the the the garbage truck. Whoops. And then and then Casey Jones commits murder. Yeah, what's that about? Committing murder. What's that about? He says whoops, and then you see it start crushing and you see the helmet get crushed. It's like we all know what a compactor does. That's you just straight up crushed. Crushes murdered him.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:00

Fucking gorgeous. If we are just talking about costume design, cool. For Tatsu and Shredder, give the Academy Award for those. No offense to dances with wolves. It's that costume work is also incredible. I don't remember what one this year, but Danny gives the$20 back to April, coming full circle on his redemption. Says, I owe you.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:20

Yeah,$20 and I don't know, a building that got burned down because you gave the location, but we're not gonna get into that.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:26

It's okay. You'll get the insurance money. You'll get the insurance money. The memories, don't worry about that. Oh, those were priceless. I gotta go. You got you got that$20. So Charles gets his redemption and like tells his son how much he loves him and how much he cares about him, and that he's just gonna tune into this. And also with April, where April has one of my favorite lines of the movie where she it's a very, very quick, very basic. This other reporter gets paid more money, this other reporter has this and that. And Charles just acquiesces to all of it, and she goes, You are a tough negotiator, Charles. It's pretty good. There's even redemption for Sam Rockwell here. The cops are talking to him, and he's like, You know all that missing stuff? Go check the warehouse on Landman Island. There's your story. Yeah. There's the story. And similar to a movie we just recently did, The Shop Around the Corner. I want Casey Jones in April to kiss.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:23

Mm-hmm. It's just been it's been under the surface, it's been surface tension this whole time with all their like flirtatious bickering. I couldn't agree more. I mean, go I mean we we passed over quickly, but it was like the start all started with the shoulder massage. It was like, okay, we're getting they're getting more friendly, but then they they left the townhouse, so it didn't continue.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:40

Yeah, they have a nice discussion on the porch swing that breaks. Oh man. They have a lot of these moments. The movie has so many elements that work. There's a romantic element, comedic element, action element, all in this beautiful, neat little single package. So we get the score, and we get the final, as you said, Kawabunga.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:01

We yeah, we should say so. We mirror the opening with them figuring finding birds to say righteous and and Donatello's having trouble again. Uh-huh. You know, and then yeah. Overthinking. And then Splinter. Splinter's like, I have one that I have always favored. Kawabunga. And then they all say it. And then he says, I made a funny. But was that a funny? I thought he just contributed the word of celebration that we're going to be using.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

I think they must find it really funny because he's like an old that's saying six, seven or uh no cap.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:37

Okay. But they they do say it, and that is a trademark like phrase of the turtles.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:43

Accurate. So it's weird that the ultimate payoff for the movie isn't seeing the turtles, isn't seeing the shredder, isn't the shredder getting the murder or beginning the murderer, getting murdered? Cricket, what's that? Or the payoff at the end of the movie is the poor hungry pizza rat saying, Kawabanga with every ounce of energy. I made a funny funny to them anyway. Yeah. We have talked about this for a while. I gotta say though, the third act of the conversation as well of the movie, just fucking zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. It just went crazy how fast it went. T-U-R-T-L-E power.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:21

Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Soundtracking. Good song. Great song ending the uh I'm on them on the oh yeah, they kiss. There's that moment they kiss, they're shooting, shouting from the rooftop. Yeah, go, April, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:36

Yeah. Everybody's kind of hyping everybody up, and we know there's gonna be a second movie, and that is what it is. It is and maybe we'll come back and do that. That would be on a different stream than this streamer here. What a lot of single words that I'm creating inevented. Burris, we're here at the end of the film. It's completed. We've talked about this much longer than the movie is when all said and done.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:02

What does that say about us?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:04

Yeah. But was there anything that made you change your score from a five? Did your score lower this as a film? Do you add a heart where it's like, this takes a specific kind of person? Like I've kind of adopted.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:18

No, I mean I think I my score stays the same. Yeah. I mean, it's shot really well. It's grounded. This the script is good. It's got a good story. The the way that they unfold it is good. It's I don't know. You can call it a kids' movie, but it's it's more of an everybody movie. Yeah. Do you like folded? Do you like to fold your pizza or on phone? I mean, it depends.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:42

I like folded pizza too, like thin crust.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:44

Yeah, it depends on the slice. And I think it varies depending on the slice, but usually it's it's folded because you don't want it to droop.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:50

And you get like just kind of the maximum sauce and cheese. I don't know. I like to turn my pizza almost like into a pocket. Like you into the calzone zone. So you're still at a five.

Final Ratings

SPEAKER_08 1:55:00

Yeah. I don't think that'll ever I don't think that'll change. So there's something. There's too many good things about the movie besides it just being about teenage ninja turtles. Yeah. That go into it, you know, and how it was made, the filmmaking aspects of it as well, you know. So and I'm staying at the five menthol cartons.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:18

It's Teenage Meat and Ninja Turtles. Like, and this is no knock to anything else necessarily, except for all those other movies that were nominated in that year. But no, this led to like what Power Rangers and all sorts of shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:33

All sorts of the franchise of the turtles, like besides the comic, this start this laid way laid way for the cartoon, which then just put it in every kid's like childhood.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:45

It's in the cultural zeitgeist. A lot was writing on this. This was the house that Freddie built in terms of new line. This was the thing that got them Lord of the Rings. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for bringing this movie. I've been chomping at the bit. Snapping turtle. Yeah. Like uh is that Razar? Razar. Yeah. I think this movie is amazing. And I also think our letterbox are amazing. Mine is at Paul ActsBadly. Ben McFadden's is run BMC. Yours is Ben Done before. Our interstitials are by Ben McFadden. Our bookend themes are Jamie Henwood. What you've been doing, what you've been watching, are Matthew Foskett. Fun Facts is Chris Old's. This is available on pretty much every audio only platform. We like good pods, they're fantastic. And don't forget to follow us, you can do that if you like. At ReviewX2 Podcast Instagram, flashes blue sky. Now, Burris, I hope you have time. We're gonna record from here about how cricket works. Okay, but what about crumpets? Nope. English muffins, not Thomas's.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:00

Is a crumpet? Well, now I understand cricket. So thank you for this.

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