Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken (Guest Hosts: Jessica Erin Martin & Shannon Corbeil)

In this special episode, we ditch the dead weight (Ben & Paul) for Guest Hosts Jessica Erin Martin & Shannon Corbeil to take the reins for their mutual choice "Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken," (1991 Dir. Steve Miner - Friday the 13th pts. 2 & 3, Halloween H20, Warlock...wait, what?). This one goes into the deep end on age differences, horse diving vs. horse dancing, based on a true story vs. the true story, era appropriate (timeless) riding attire, and the horrific truth about "Milo & Otis," is revealed yet again. All this, and more "horse girl movie," (Jessica Erin Martin) adventure 4/14!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_09 0:00

I'm stressed.

Episode Intro

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Bravo! Okay, producer Paul sitting down. Wait till you sit I gotta wait till you sit down. It's gonna be a squeaky chair.

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Not even here.

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Yep, there it goes. Great. Now I've got the burps. Forget it. This is gonna be great. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. I've already forgotten what I'm supposed to say. It's okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna can let me here we go. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Hello and welcome to the review review. Nothing seven, nothing under seven years. No sequels. No sequels.

SPEAKER_06 0:33

This is the ASMR version of uh the review review. Okay. We're off to a great start. Got some water.

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Right here.

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Gonna take a little sip.

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Oh get my water. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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This is gonna be tagged on the end of the episode. Um okay. Hi everyone.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:00

Um, here we go. Hi everyone. I'm Jess, and this is Shannon, and we are guest hosting the Review Review, a podcast about movies, where movies have to be at least seven years old, and has to be a movie that we have seen before, had big feelings about, and are re-watching. And the movies that we choose cannot be sequels, they have to be the original.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

That's right, not part of a sand a franchise, a sandwich, a sandwich or a franchise, and they can't be remakes. Is that also correct?

SPEAKER_06 1:38

That we know of. This is why I have you here. Teamwork. Yeah, so this is a special episode, which I have been bothering them, Ben and Paul, about for quite some time because I was like, you know what? Move over, guys. It's almost International Women's Day, and uh, I think some gals should have a turn here. Oh, yeah. And um, what better movie to talk about than a horse girl movie? Mm-hmm. We did it. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, friends and folks. Um, we are gonna be talking about Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. Applause. I had to take a second.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

Applause. Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. Jessica, we've been talking about watching this movie for a very long time. Yeah. I don't know how we first discovered that we both love it.

SPEAKER_06 2:32

No, it was because when you were a guest for the Willow episode and you like pitched a few movies that you wouldn't mind talking about, and I saw that list. You know, they try to keep it from me, but I saw it. And then I saw that Wild Hearts can't be broken on there, and I like flipped a table and I was like, get out of my way. We're talking about this movie. And that was that was a while ago that you did Willow. Yes. So um sometimes it takes a long time for your dreams to come true, but here we are. Perseverance.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

And you know what? Thematically, I think that's perfect for our film. Wow. Yeah.

What You Been Doing?

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Um, we have a a thorough list of things to talk to you about. And I'm just trying to make sure we're on track here because I don't want to get kicked off as my first day as a guest host. Um, so it says that we have to do a quick catch-up. Do we need to talk about ourselves really quickly? Oh, pr no, we need to go down farther. Are we just saying what have we been doing? Oh yeah. Uh, producer Paul, he helped us. Um hey Shannon, what you been doing?

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Hi, I'm Shannon Corbet. Oh, right. Um, I'm an actor. I was just on set. I booked a nice network co-star that I've been actually for the a TV show that was my very first television audition. Oh, like in 2017. Oh my goodness. And so I finally booked them. Um you finally cracked it. This is coming out, this episode's coming out in April. I think so. So my TV episode won't be out in. But they can look forward to it. But they can look forward to it, I think May 9th. Can you say what it is or no? Can I? I don't. It is on my actor's access, but it's not on IMDB yet.

SPEAKER_07 4:23

Guys, I'll give you the inside scoop. It's N C I S. Oh shit.

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I did it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

I booked N C I S and it was so fun. They're so nice. They're really nice over there. They're so nice. They all seem to love that job. I love when that happens.

SPEAKER_06 4:40

Well, congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Thank you. That's really in this day and age. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm gonna have three TV episodes come out this year so far. Wow. Yeah. I booked another one that I shot in December that won't come out until October. Because that's how soaps work. And then I booked another one that shot during the strike. It was a SAG after an interim agreement. And they shot their season, but they have only been releasing four episodes every Halloween. So it hasn't come out yet.

SPEAKER_06 5:19

Is it this Halloween though?

SPEAKER_03 5:21

My episode should finally be this Halloween, 2026. That's wild. I know.

SPEAKER_06 5:26

So you you have to wait a long time to see the fruits of your labor in this business. And then all of them are gonna come out this year and you're going straight to the top. That's right. That's how it works. That's right. Yeah. Oh, I'm I'm Jessica Aaron Martin. What have you been up to? Um, so I I am uh going to you know what? I'll just say it. This is coming out in April. I am gonna be doing my solo show again at Hollywood Fringe. I've been doing all that paperwork. So uh making that happen. I'm doing a reading of our Time Machine play in uh in Pasadena this month. Um, it's you'll have missed it. Don't worry, guys. Um and then I'm also working um in sustainability now, which is my other passion. So I'm I'm pretty stoked about that.

What Are You Watching?

SPEAKER_03 6:23

Listeners, I just reached out and grabbed Jessica's hand. I'm so excited because bless this Jess that's it is so wonderful. You're all gonna want to see it. Oh, thanks.

SPEAKER_06 6:33

Um I will say there's gonna be a new ending. Ooh. So if you've already seen it, come back. Um, so that's what we've been doing. And what have you been watching? Oh my goodness. Um, Bridgerton season four. Of course. Several times now. Of course. Benedict has always been my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Meet Bridgerton.

SPEAKER_06 6:53

This is my favorite season. Yeah. Favorite season. Yaren Ha, Queen. Uh the writing, some of the best acting moments of the entire series. Yeah. Um, and it's pretty. It's so pretty. It's so sweet, it's so like sincere.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

It doesn't stress me out. No. That's all I want.

SPEAKER_06 7:12

Rudy loves it too. Rudy the cat. Um also um A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Okay. I was late getting into it. Okay. And everyone was like, you have to watch it.

SPEAKER_06 7:25

It's wait, wait, are you late getting into a knight of the seven kingdoms or just Game of Thrones as a whole?

SPEAKER_03 7:30

A knight of the seven kingdoms. Okay. Yes. I read the I read Game of Thrones before the show came out. Yeah. Like the ones that had been released anyway. Right. And so I finally started watching and I was like, oh, you're right. This is really sweet. So I got my boyfriend to watch with me, and we started, and I was like, no, you gotta watch this. It's such a sweet show. And we watched the battle episode.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

And the credits start rolling, and he just looks at me and he's like, You have violence in your heart. You're sick. You and your family are sick. What's the matter with you? That is not a sweet show. And I had to laugh.

SPEAKER_06 8:12

But the relationships are sweet. It's very sweet. These two characters are so cute. They're so dang. And the behind the scenes, I can't get enough of them. I know. Um, we we've adopted Dexter, who plays egg. Um, he's our son now. He and Rudy are our biological sons. I understand. Um so we we love it. That I think it's it's my favorite Game of Thrones content that's been out there. It is really well done. It's really I do love the dragons, though. I love dragons specifically, which really relates to horse girls. That's true. Yeah. What else have you been watching?

SPEAKER_03 8:45

I ha just got caught up on Paradise. Oh, we need to watch that. The second season. Second season did not have to go as hard as it did. Uh Dan Fogelman. Dan Fogelman. Um yeah. Uh no spoiler. No spoilers. It's such a but uh but it's been a long time since a TV show brought me to tears. I cried on one of the episodes. Full tears sitting alone in my room, down my face, you know? It's uh I'm ready. It's great, right?

SPEAKER_06 9:17

Did you not cry in Bridgerton season four, part two? I did not. I was a mess. It was a mess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

I know everything that's in the books.

SPEAKER_06 9:30

Yeah, I I know roughly what happened.

"Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken" Facts

SPEAKER_03 9:32

So there are a few surprises, but it was it was very touching, I will say.

SPEAKER_06 9:37

Yeah. Um great, we did that. So many great things to be watching right now. So many. Um, Shannon, why don't you tell us about the movie we just watched?

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Let's talk about Disney's Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. A 1991 film, and I'm gonna get back to this later, but in a real golden age of Disney live action. Yes, like the same time as The Rocketeer and Iron Will, these films that are about hope and believing in yourself and uh good dancing over. The 90s were great. I'm really sorry you missed them. Um 1991. 1991. So this was a Disney film along with Silver Screen Partners 4 and Pegasus Entertainment. It was rated G, and it is an hour and 28 minutes. Perfect length. Perfect length. Yeah, really. That's a good 90-minute film. Really good. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 10:37

Tell me about the money. Okay. I I feel like maybe we don't know what the budget was. I think that's what that means.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

We don't know the budget. Opening weekend in May of 1991, May 27th, specifically when it came out, it made$2.7 million. And the final gross for North America was$7.3 million. Final gross worldwide. We don't have it. 2.7 plus 7.3. That's just$10 million. Yeah. Um, I don't know. That that might not be right. You don't add those numbers.

SPEAKER_06 11:15

But you know, that's theatrical. And I bet this movie crushed in the in the in the VHS market. Hell yeah. I want those numbers.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Not only that, this movie does that. This movie got people to back in the 90s, kids, you had to um purchase the Disney Channel if you wanted to watch Disney movies. Like Disney Channel specific movies, yeah. Anyway, that might be irrelevant.

SPEAKER_06 11:41

It was just well to see this movie, we would have had to go into a newspaper. We would have had to go to the pages where it had the movie theaters to see the movie times, and then we would have to go to the movie, purchase our tickets a person. Yeah, and then no reserve seating. You get what you get. Um Yeah. Anyway, moving on.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

But I do wonder what those numbers would be accounting for inflation. Priser Paul, what's 2.7 million in 1991? He's working on it compared to today. Um, so that week in 1991, other releases were backdraft, Hudson Hawk, Only, The Lonely, and Thelma and Louise. Wow. That's a that's that's some stiff competition. That's a big deal. Backdraft really upset me because my dad is a firefighter. That it scared me bad. Um, weekend top five, backdraft. What about Bob? That one we laughed as a family. Hudson Hawk, Thelma and Louise, and Only the Lonely. Other films from 1991. The perfect weapon, defending your life, kindergarten cop, a classic. Classic. Classic. Good fellas, out for justice, New Jack City, Drop Dead Fred. Okay, producer Paul, yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

In 1991, 2.7 million dollars in 2026 is$6.4 million.

SPEAKER_06 13:22

$6.4 million. I thought it would have been more. Okay, which is another six million. Three million in VHS sales.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

And the worldwide and North American gross are the same. It didn't have an international release. Oh, interesting. So it did make 17.4 million adjusted for its final gross in North America.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Okay. I wonder what the budget was. What was the budget for a 1991 film?

SPEAKER_06 13:58

They're really keeping that locked away. Mm-hmm. Um, there's some some uh scores? What do you call these? The letter boxes the letterbox averages. Uh-huh. Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Review reviews. Letterbox gives it a 3.3. Is it out of five? I'm not on the letterbox. It's out of five. Okay. That's too low.

SPEAKER_06 14:21

Yeah, they're wrong. Um, oh, also follow the normal hosts of this show, uh, Paul and Ben, at uh at runb e-e-m-c and at Paul Acts Badly.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Which is not true.

SPEAKER_06 14:35

Which is not true. He's a very good actor.

SPEAKER_07 14:37

Because Paul just booked something fun too, guys.

SPEAKER_06 14:40

He's a working actor.

SPEAKER_07 14:41

You know he you know he didn't do bad acting to book that job.

SPEAKER_06 14:45

Hey Shannon, are you on letterboxed? No. Uh okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

Are you and you just said you're not I I can't do like another thing. I can't. There's so much. But I do love to read a good, a good letterbox review. I do.

SPEAKER_06 14:59

I like it when it's like uh a threads or like an Instagram post of a letterbox review. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a grown up. I like it currying it for me like that. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Siskel and Ebert gave it two thumbs down. They're wrong and clearly not the right audience for this film.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

It's wrong. All right, Rotten Tomatoes was 73%. I think that's critic score. Critic score and 89% popcorn. And Metacritic didn't even bother. Um major award wins and nominations, non-applicable. Like people slept on Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. They were sleeping hard.

SPEAKER_06 15:44

You know what? You know who was not sleeping hard on this? Us. Us, horse girls. Us, horse girls.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

Like this is Lil Girls with a dream. Okay. We're watching this movie.

SPEAKER_06 15:56

Hope in our hearts. That's right. All right. So I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the the filmmakers. So it was directed by Steve Minor, um, who after watching this film was I was very surprised to learn that he directed Friday the 13th, part two and three, Halloween H2O, Lake Placid, and Soul Man. It's called Range. It's it is range. You know, I feel like he with this movie, he's like, I need something nice for my heart. Yeah. Um, it was written by Matt Williams and Walker Payne, um, Oli Sasson. Um also it's based on the book, right? Like the Correct. Yes. Um, producer Paul, let's get that info. Um we have it. Oh, we do have it. Yes. It's coming. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Sonora, so it's based on a real woman who named Sonora Webster Carver, spoil alert. Uh and her book was called A Girl and Five Brave Horses, and she was a real diving girl. I need to get that book. Okay. I'm gonna check my local library. It's in your local library because last night I just put it on hold. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

Okay, oh, I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

Okay. Um, back to um the music was by Mason Daring, who did Lone Star, Dogfight, Eight Men Out. Um, Cinematography by Darren Okada, who did Mean Girls, Baby Mama, and Movie 43. The cinematography in this, well, I'm gonna I'm about to talk about it, but um producers, Matt Williams, um, who did Bernie, and then Robin Clark, I don't know how to say that one, and Sarah Brock.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

Um, it starred Gabrielle Anwar, who played Sonora, who uh who was in the Tudors, and I never put the two together until last night. Tutors was great. Um, but she plays um Henry's sister, and she's so expressive in it. Her that the that role, her character, and the faces that she made as that character, um, who was a princess who was married off to a much older man. Um classic tour seared in my mind. And then as soon as I started re-watching Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken, I was like, no. And I looked up on IMDB and I was like, it's you!

SPEAKER_06 18:27

I couldn't believe it. She's one of the most beautiful women on the planet, and she is gorgeous.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Radiant in this.

SPEAKER_06 18:34

Oh my god. She glows, literally glows. Um, she was also in Scent of a Woman, Body Snatchers for the for love or money. Um, Michael Schaufling. Shuffling? Shuffling? I'm not quite sure how to pronounce that. So sorry, Michael. Um he doesn't mind he retired from acting. No, I I know. He played Al. Um he was in Sixteen Candles, Vision Quest, and Mermaids. We'll talk about him a lot more. Um, Cliff Robertson, who played Dr. Carver, he I was in the midst of watching this again last night, and I was like, wait a second, wait a second, how do I know this man in my heart? He played Uncle Ben in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies with uh Toby McGuire. So if, you know, like you know this man's work, he has left an imprint on a generation. Yeah. Um, he was also in Star 80, Brainstorm. You have Dylan Cussman, perhaps? Kuzman, um, who plays Clifford. Um, he was in Flight, Jack Reacher, Dead Poet Society. He's so cute. So cute. Kathleen York played Marie. She was in Nightcrawler, Protocol, Crash. Um, Frank Renzuli played Mr. Slater. He's in The Fighter, The Hidden, The Last Dragon. Nancy Acheson played Arnett. She was in Fried Green Tomatoes.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

She was in Fried Green Tomatoes.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

Oh, I love that movie. That's another episode for us.

SPEAKER_06 20:01

Yes. Um, okay, The Prince of Tides, The Yearling, and Lisa Norman played Aunt Helen. Um uh, she was in the new Mike Hammer, and Grim, Grim television show is how I met producer Paul, you guys. That's how this all started.

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Were you?

FUN Facts

SPEAKER_06 20:19

Yeah, the same episode. We were we were Bigfoot hunters, and we found Bigfoot, and Paul got dead really fast. I spoilers, I need to go watch that episode. Grim is such a great premise. It was fun film. It was really fun. TV show. It was in the middle of the night in a in an Oregon forest and it was freezing cold, and we're in a circle back to talking about this. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

But the cast really was remarkable, really strong. If if if you take, you know, if you understand that this was the 90s and so everyone um is white, and that's unfortunate. There is that there's no diversity, but they did find just picture-perfect actors for each little role, including me and Aunt Helen. Tell us some fun facts. Okay, I will. So we mentioned this. This film is an adaptation of real life events that occur in the memoir of Sonora, um, who lived to be 99 years old. She died in 2003. Um, her memoir is called A Girl and Five Brave Horses. And uh I don't think we've talked about this. This film uh is about a uh a diving horse diving show. So so Dr. Carver created horse diving wherein he built a 40 foot tower, had a horse run up a ramp to where a girl was on the top, she jumped astride the horse, and the horse jumped off the forty foot tower into a pool of water. And and this was a carnival show.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

Um and Sonora really. Did that for decades. Um, and so did Arnett, her sister. Um, I didn't know though. Arnette ended up being a diving girl too. Oh. Um, and she got to see the well, why they they parked, they got to go and when the film came out, they went to the theater to see it and had some thoughts about it. Oh, I bet they didn't. Um, so there were definitely- But did they like it like a little bit? Yeah, she she said, well, they got right the fact that it was a diving girl, uh-huh, and um that there were some incidents, you know. Um spoiler, spoiler alert, um, medical, some medical things happen. Yeah. Um, and she said that's about it.

SPEAKER_06 22:48

So oh shoot. Well, I mean, I don't really want to see a movie about my life either, but yeah, yeah, definitely romanticize it. Well, let speaking of romance, um, let's talk about this next fun fact.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Yeah, Mr. Sheffling. Um, so this was the last acting work of Michael Sheffling, who plays Al, um, the charismatic son of Dr. Carver and the romantic interest of Miss Sonora Webster. Um, he quit the film business in the early 90s to concentrate on his business designing and selling furniture, which I love that for him.

SPEAKER_06 23:26

Does that make him even more sexy? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:29

I love that for him.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

Yeah, he's a cutie. Yeah. To um we're we're gonna talk about animal rights and the welfare of the horses.

SPEAKER_06 23:41

We're gonna talk about horses in this horse girl movie.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Yeah, we are. Um, they jumped off of 40-foot towers to film the movie. Correct. They the humane society who has to be there on sets to ensure the welfare of animals, um, said, Yeah, I don't think so, but you can do 10 feet. Yes. So they cheated the um the jumping in the film. There were some shots where I was like, How'd how'd you get that shot? Disney, huh?

SPEAKER_06 24:17

So we we can go through that um because I read the Humane Society report on it. I have it on my computer right here in front of me. Um, but essentially they they achieved the shots with some some very clever editing of the horse running up a ramp, and then they would just kind of park at the top. So in and then they cut to, you know, seeing horses like jump off of a block. Right. Um, so they film that little shot. And then they have a like a mechanical horse and rider doing the fall. Okay, great.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

In the like super warm. That made sense because it doesn't do as good of a job as a horse does and really starts to like go ass over tea kettle. And I'm like, that's yeah, that's not good if that's a real yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

This is not good. No, it's not, yeah. It wasn't a it was a mechanical, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

Um Sonora maintains that no horses were harmed and that the horses loved to do it.

SPEAKER_06 25:11

So in the Humane Society report, um, was that so I think there were five horses in this film, four or six horses, four of them were trained to do the the diving. Um, they selected those horses because um they liked to swim, they liked to be in water. Great. So they tested a lot of horses, they did, you know, camera test the test for the horses, and we know that process. We know that. Um, and so these horses particularly enjoyed swimming. Great. So like great. Um, and then they uh, you know, slowly trained them. It used to, you know, they would jump off just one foot, uh, two feet, and eventually they had to close off the pin where their training uh, you know, ramp was with the pool because they would just do it all the time. Adorable. Adorable. So that's what they tell us. So I'd like to believe that the horses actually did enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

There was in real life, um, Dr. Carver's show uh did some dives into the Pacific Ocean, and there was one horse that drowned. So I know So that's not great. I know, and it effed him up. Dr. Carver? Yeah, he was like really desolate over it. I've been. Um they really loved their horses and they had to trust them. Yeah. Um, you can't have horses and girls dying in front of your crowds. So yeah. It really puts an end to your show. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh, speaking of Dr. Carver, Bert Reynolds was offered the role, but he turned it down. I'm kind of glad he did. I loved uh, was it Cliff? Cliff, Cliff Robertson. He he reminds me a lot of um. It'll come to you.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

This is so upsetting.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

We were just talking about our concern about our memory.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 27:14

We'll come back to it because I want to talk about Cliff Robertson's performance more. Should we let it and you can just like interrupt me at any time? Yeah, get your notes out. I am gonna mention um producer Paul found this, uh quoted from AFI that a minor incident involving a dining being horse um was reported on this film. Um activists got involved. Uh, they said they wanted a boycott for the the film. Um, but then uh the Humane Society said that, you know, there wasn't any injuries sustained. So there was some um controversy regarding this film. Um now this film was, you know, we talked about the height of the live-action Disney movies. It was kind of the height of live-action animal movies. Like there were so many, like Milo and Otis. I mean, that was years prior to this, but goodness how many animals were killed on that production. Um, don't look it up. And birthed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Live birthed.

SPEAKER_06 28:18

Yes. Um, a lot of animal stuff happening with Milo and Otis, which was also one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

No, the animals died. Yeah. On my on Milo and Otis.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Yeah. Um Homeward Bound came out around this time. If you want to make me cry, have Shadow come over the hill.

SPEAKER_06 28:37

But animals were used a lot in a way that we do not see them used now because of how just our connection to them has grown, our understanding of them has grown. And so I'm a person who loves horses. Um, horse stunts and horse actors really make me nervous because I used to be a horse owner. And so I know how fragile babies they are.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

I think all horse riding should be done bitless. I agree. Like, yeah. When I see a when I see a bridle like with a bit, yeah, I'm like, well, you don't love your horse as much as I love your horse. But things are changing.

Brought To You By

SPEAKER_06 29:16

We're moving in the right direction. Um we'll we'll we're gonna be talking about animal rights this whole time. Um, so the log line. Hold on, Kurt Russell. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

You got you did Cliff Cliff Robinson reminds me of Kurt Russell. Yes, I see that. Whom I love and have met and had a fun conversation with. That's lovely. He's the best. Um, but just that like the kind eyes. The like sparkle in the eye. Sparkle, yeah, you know. And the character of Dr. Carver is one who can be really harsh, but also really loving and tough. Okay. The log line. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 29:54

The log line of this film. Thrilled by a performance she sees at a fair, Sonora Webster tries to land a spot as a daredevil who rides horses off of high dives. That's actually not a good idea. That's not true. That's not true.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

That's not true. Um, she was not thrilled by the performance that she sees. I mean, she did see it.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

She did, and she was thrilled.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

But it's the ad in the paper that sends her off searching for this job.

SPEAKER_06 30:19

So clearly, marketing department wrote this. Wow. And before they saw the film. Men. Happy international.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Not all not all men.

SPEAKER_06 30:30

Producer Paul, you're great. Not all men. Um so uh yes, she does see a thrilling performance at the fair, and then she does try to land a spot as a daredevil who rides horses off of Hive Dive. So they got that part right. They just missed the first part of it where she finds an ad in the newspaper which begins her heroine's journey. That was a real ad.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

That that really happened for the real Sonora Webster. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 31:00

Um, this is brought to you by someone. Are we doing an ad break?

SPEAKER_00 31:06

I assume it's hor horse jumping, horse falling, horse dancing.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Horse dance. This is brought to you by horse dancing. You need to get a little dance dancing in your I can't do extemporaneous commercials. I um please don't make me.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

I'll help you with that.

Cinephile Round

SPEAKER_06 31:27

Oh, I thought this was like a cut to a pre-recorded situation.

SPEAKER_04 31:31

Uh it will be in the edit, but we'll be back.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

Um take a quick break uh to thank our sponsors.

SPEAKER_08 31:43

It's horse dancing matter. You're back.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

Are we all settled? Yeah, we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

It's always on me.

SPEAKER_06 32:09

So many noises. Welcome back. Welcome back from the break, Shannon. Thank you. Uh Jessica. So we're gonna do a little game called Cinephile. And um, so I'm gonna have you uh cut it like a tarot deck. Oh, I think it's this one right there.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

I think so. Oh yeah. We're gonna if a card jumps out, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:32

Okay. Um wait, I said I know how to do this, but how many movies do we have to guess? This is many. Do we we keep going until I can't you said you didn't know how to do this? And then okay, Julia Roberts.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

My best friend's wedding. Pretty woman. Aaron Brockovich.

SPEAKER_06 32:54

Um see, this is how my brain got. I know. This is why I'm an actor, is because people give me things to say. Yeah. Um okay, you said Aaron Brockovich. I did. Um, Stepmom. Oh. Great film. Ocean's whichever sequel she was. Oh, Ocean's 11. She was in the Was she in the first one? Right. Or was it the second one? Well, we know she's in the second one. The Oceans ones.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

The Ocean's ones.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

I think that's because that's where yeah. Ocean's 11 because she's dating the guy um who owns the casino. Yeah. Yeah. And George Clooney needs to take him down and get the girl back. That's right. Notting Hill. Um, the one that she just did with Andrew Garfield. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:39

Didn't see it. I haven't seen it either.

unknown 33:41

Yeah. And I don't know the name. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 33:43

And then didn't she do one with George Clooney just soon before that?

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Um, can I say friends? Is it only movies or can't do TV shows count? Because she was really cute in her episode of Friends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:59

Um Can you keep my I think I'm at the end of my Julia Roberts train right now.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

And what's funny is if I go to IMDB, I'll see the 87 films she's been in that I've seen. Right. And I'll be like, oh yeah. Yeah. But as soon as as soon as you're asked to come up with stuff. Nothing. Psychologist, what's that all about?

First & Current Experiences

SPEAKER_06 34:23

Um, that's ADHD.

SPEAKER_04 34:25

That sounds right. That's that's that. Check, check, check.

SPEAKER_06 34:29

Every time I read a list about ADHD, I'm like, um, so thanks, Julia Roberts, for stumping us. Julia, we love you.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

Lovely, lovely thing.

SPEAKER_06 34:39

I I want to watch Notting Hill again.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

I loved um her reaction to Ava Victor and Sorry Baby at I think the Golden Globes. I don't know this story. She Julia was she's a fan. She's a fan. Yeah. And uh so am I. And how exciting for your directorial debut to get a shout out.

SPEAKER_06 35:04

To get a shout out from the Julia Roberts. Yeah. I also want to rewatch Aaron Brockovich, because boy, what a movie. What a movie.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

It's a great script, too. It's a great read.

SPEAKER_06 35:16

Yeah. If you're studying screenplays, and as a sustainability and uh you know eco-content person, um, that's at the top. Yep. Pretty good. Um, all right, so we did our Cinephile. Great. Um, so now sorry, sorry. We're gonna focus and we're gonna talk about Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. And we are going to give our OG rating.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

So that's like when we first watched it, like as children? Yeah, and I think our first time that you ever watched it. Like, so what what was your do you even remember the first time you watched?

SPEAKER_06 35:53

I can't I cannot remember the first time I watched it. I I don't know if I saw it in the theater. I don't know if we rented the movie. We were not a family that had a ton. We had like the Disney clamshell movies. Remember in the in the like white plastic clamshell? Yeah. We had those movies, but we didn't have a ton of like VHS tapes.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

No, my grandpa learned how to tape um from the TV. From the TV.

SPEAKER_06 36:20

Oh my god, that's probably my grandpa did too. That's probably how I saw it for the first time.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

So we had a bunch of those with like, and he used his typewriter to type the titles of them onto the Kodak.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

My grandpa used to write it in his like chicken scratch handwriting. Oh my god, you're like unlocking memories. That is 100% how I saw this movie. Yeah. What thank you, grandpas. Yeah, thanks, Gramps.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

For rest in peace. I know, R.I.P. We miss you, we love you.

SPEAKER_03 36:47

But it is really cute to think of them like sitting there and being like, oh, this is coming on. I better record it for my granddaughter's. He had drawers of VHS tapes since he recorded. We had the most random, we had My Little Ponies Escape from Katrina, like a very random um My Little Ponies episode, one random Lady Lovely locks, one random rose petals place. Like he must have just one afternoon been like, I'm gonna tape all the kids' content. That's so sweet.

SPEAKER_06 37:18

We we had um like uh uh like original Looney Tunes. Um so great. I'm glad we watched it with grandpa's. Um my my original score was five out of five Atlantic Cities.

Start The Movie (Conversation)

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Five out of five haircutting shears. Those were good shears. Yeah, they were really solid. They were, and I um was really reflecting on myself and the influence that this film had on me as I had just butchered my own hair earlier and then and completely forgot that that's how the movie opens.

SPEAKER_06 37:54

Wait, when did you like you saw this movie and then you went to give yourself a haircut?

SPEAKER_03 37:59

No, like um yesterday after I was like, this hair is unruly. I'll cut it myself. And then I said, oops.

SPEAKER_06 38:09

For everyone at home, Shannon's hair is up in a bum right now, so I can't see any changes in her hair. It's not, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

When it's but over here, there's really a a sh a a rough brush. Do we need some more blending right there? It can't go short. Producer Paul. She needs some haircutting. It can't go shorter, it can't go any shorter.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

It's I have curly hair, so it it's um pretty forgiving when it's styled because it's supposed to be. I try to do Julia Roberts, my best friend's wedding, like the different layers that she had with the curls. Can we bring back 90s curls?

SPEAKER_06 38:53

Um there are some things from the 90s we should bring back, some things we should not. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Correct. Um, but if we could bring back 90s curls, yes, for me, that would be nice.

SPEAKER_06 39:04

So so five out of five haircutting shears. Haircutting shears. So that was OG rating. Now, what is our current rating? I'm keeping it out of five. I'm I'm five out of five Atlantic Cities.

SPEAKER_07 39:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 39:18

I love this little film. I love it. Oh my god. I started watching it again today. I love it. I'm uh meeting got pushed back, and so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna watch this again. I love the music. Okay, I gotta pull out my notes app because I started watching this. Rudy the cat and I put it on last night. By the way, he loved it. He loved it, and um Rudy doesn't always like films. He liked this one.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Zelle the dog did not. She doesn't care for the horses. Yeah. Um, I she understands the concept of a TV, which is for her anything with a screen. So like a television itself or my laptop or the phone. And I have to, if I tell her that something's on the TV, she'll settle. Yeah. Um, I was watching this projected onto my ceiling, and she was like, that is not the TV. That is a horse coming down through her.

SPEAKER_06 40:17

Like she's like the original people who saw that train movie. Yes. And she's like, I gotta go.

unknown 40:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

She was like, not cool with it.

SPEAKER_06 40:28

But I started watching this and I had to stop uh like a few minutes in because I was just watching it and like letting it wash over me and loving it. And I was like, wait, I have to take notes because I have to talk about this movie. Um so so I do what this movie starts with some text on a black screen, and the text says, This movie is based on the true life story of a young girl who dared to live her dreams.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

And my God, if that didn't set me off on a path in my life, yeah, it's because of this movie and these kinds of movies that I believe I can be a stupid actor, you know? Right?

SPEAKER_06 41:08

Like just follow your dreams. Just follow your dreams, just go jump off a 40-foot thing on a horse.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

It's not a big deal. Next time casting asks me to leave their office, I'm hooking my feet around the chair. I'm not leaving here until you give me a role. I want to read about that in the trade. Julia Roberts. I have the curls.

SPEAKER_06 41:30

Um, so yeah, the opening line was really it hit me um as a grown adult reading it um for the first time in in a few years. This is part of my regular rotation of what Ben and I called brain happy movies. These are movies that um helped me with some store-bought serotonin. Yeah. And so this is what in the regular rotation. I haven't seen it in a bit. I've been the the Bridgerton has been hitting that for me. But um, yeah, so it it's only been a few years since the last time I saw this. How long for you?

SPEAKER_03 42:05

I can't remember the last time that I watched it. Although it feels like something that once it once Disney Plus added all of its classics. Is this on Disney Plus? Yeah, girl. I watched it on a DVD. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I've had that little guy for years. When I moved into my tiny house, I got rid of my DVD collection and my DVD player.

SPEAKER_07 42:29

And now I think that might have been a mistake.

SPEAKER_06 42:34

Well, if anyone has been to our house, you know, we very much believe in physical media. Um, that was one of the sweetest gifts that Ben got me because my my DVD player, we lost the the remote in like the all the moves, you know, and and so he found one on the internet, and now I can have a remote for my I I used to have to like go up to it and press the thing. I can't, I can't. That's too much. Um so now I have a remote. But so this movie is set in 1932. And so in 1991, you know, that's 60 years. So for context for us, that would be the 60s, right? Is that math? That is math. Yeah. So like watching it in the 90s is like if well, watching it today is like if it were the 60s. In the 60s. So still very much a period film, even in the 90s and definitely now. Yeah. Um, but uh, I just want to take a second to talk about the style of filmmaking of this film. They literally do not make films like this anymore. First of all, shot on film, shot on 35. And everything on location, everything on location. Um there isn't like 15 million types of coverage and shots. You know, you're lucky if you get one wide. Sometimes they stay in the wide, and that's the scene. And sometimes your coverage. Is just two mediums. And they just let the scene play out, and they're very selective with inserts. The inserts are pretty much always with the horses. Like her or her um when she started putting her feet around the chair. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:16

Or when she was getting the rock out of the horse's hoof. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

For the horses, like those close-ups with the horses, you know, like in the end with lightning when she is really tuning in the hands. Yes. The hands reaching, like all the training.

SPEAKER_06 44:32

The inserts were very uh thoughtful, thoughtful. Um, and it's just um it was very peaceful to me. You know, like they just let it play out. It's yes, they just let it play out, and it was so so beautiful. They have some crane shots. There's two specific crane shots in this film, and you know that that's back when there is a person up on a like giant crane moving the camera, and you like see the movement happening because now we have like robots, right, that do it and move as they're programmed. But you know, these sweeping crane shots as she comes into the fair to see Dr. Carver the for the first time. Um, and then uh uh what was the second one? Oh, I think it's it's the the final dive that she does. There's a a crane shot there that is just like incredible. Um, so really beautiful filmmaking that I don't think this got credit for. I think people saw it as a a movie for girls. This is a girls uh kids movie, horse movie, and uh but this was a stunning film as from a filmmaking um the the costuming, the sets, obviously the animal actors, um and the acting company, you know, it's just it really is a wonderfully made film.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

It is, it's so textured, especially, you know, it it takes place uh right after the Great Depression. Well, right after they're still they're recovering from it, but they're still hurting from it. And so you hear the creak of the wooden floors in the different houses that they're in, or in the little shop in the beginning. Like there is no squeaky door, you know, like there's no reason to be in that shop, like, but they built this beautiful set or found some shop, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:35

The squeaky well, I mean, back back then there is more uh soundstage, you know, like standing sets existing, you know, they've all been uh well, not all of them, but a lot of them have been torn down um at this point in time, uh in the present.

SPEAKER_09 46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:50

Um, but really, yeah, beautiful filmmaking. Um and the foley in this film is really you we you talked about the the um floors and the squeaking. So in that first scene, so that first horse is also called lightning. Um I always wanted a horse called Lightning too because of this. Um I don't have haven't had one yet. Um, but she what now what was I saying?

SPEAKER_03 47:19

I'm talking about horses and I get let's so we begin we begin at the beginning where Sonora and Arnette are orphans living under the care of their Aunt Helen. After their yes, and ultimately and there are so many quick ways where we learn that Sonora is a wild heart that can't be broken, certainly not by Aunt Helen. Um she chops off her hair to try to look like one of the ladies in the ads for Atlantic City in the magazine. Her aunt makes her wear a paper bag on her head and is like, you know, Sonora's running late for school, and she gets into even more trouble.

SPEAKER_06 48:02

So the the school, so she sees their horse lightning. It's a a big draft horse, like a Clydesdale type horse, and he's limping. So of course she goes over to him and you know, what's wrong? And she sees that he's got a rock in his foot, so she helps get it out, one of those close-ups. And um, you know, she's loving on her horse, and the school bullies walk by and they're like making fun of her, and she's defending her horse. She's like, he can jump so high, and they're like, Yeah, prove it. And so she does, and ends up they jump over a fence, but they break the fence and the cows get out. Yeah. So she has to then get the cows back in. She's very late to school. And the teacher's pissed at her. Teacher's not nice, um, and then the the bully's still going at it, and she punches her in the face, punches her right in the face, which is great. Um, but then she gets expelled from school. So we've got the she's she's late for school, she's broken the fence, the cows got out, and she punches a girl, she gets ex uh suspended, and so her aunt sells lightning the horse, sells lightning and decides to give Sonora up to the state. Yes, not Arnette, her little sister. The little one's doing fine, she gets to stay with the family. Sonora, you're out of here. You're out of here. And um, you know, that was that was a moment uh because you know, as a child watching it, being like, oh my god, selling lightning. Yeah, selling lightning, and then also like kicking her out. What do you mean? But then, you know, watching it as an adult where you were a person barely getting by, you have your own children, and you're trying to take care of your deceased sister's children. I probably want that teenager to get the hell out of my house as well. And she's like causing an Aruckus, and um, and so Sonora decides to run away. To run away in the night. Yeah. And she she's got that ad. She's found that ad. Wanted a diving girl. That's right. Must. What was the ad? Oh, I didn't take a picture of it. Let me grab it. Um, so she she runs away in the night, packs her photo, her few clothes that she has, and her um the magazine illustration of the woman in Atlantic City. Um, All Your Dreams Come True in Atlantic City. And she runs away to the state fair where this ad says that a Dr. Carver is waiting to find his new diving girl. So uh we come into this fun fair, we meet Clifford, who's created a contraption to cook the hot dogs. It's like a on a bicycle chain, and the like hot dogs are like going around.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

I wasn't sure how this medical advice um holds up today, but he burns himself on the hot dog spoke. Yeah. And so Sonora runs up to him, spits on him, and then rubs dirt on the burn. Yeah. She says that the mud will help with the blistering. Yeah, I mean, maybe. Um, that's their meat cute. That's their friendship meat cute. Um, her spitting on him. Yeah. And he gives her a hot dog. Yeah. Because she hasn't eaten and she's very hungry. You could see that she's very hungry, and so he's biting her lips, watching him first, and that's how she sees him get burnt. She also, she's very observant and cunning. She sees Al get into some trouble. Our first time seeing Al, he's in a bit of a dust up. He's been cheating at cards and he's caught out, and they're like, I know you got that ace in your hat. And they shove him over, the hat flies off, and the ace flies out of the hat, and Snora sees it first and steps on it and hides it. Yeah. And then the guys they're like, Well, he's not here. I guess we're wrong. Yeah, which I which I appreciate. Yeah, you know? It's true. Yeah, they they walked away from that. Yeah. He's like, hey, I was wrong. And sorry about that. Yeah. Um, and Al's like, yeah, you were wrong.

SPEAKER_05 52:02

Yeah, bitch.

SPEAKER_06 52:04

I gotta go. Um, and uh, and she she pockets the card. She does, which she brings back uh a little later, and then she goes to see Dr. Carver for the first time. And uh I know we probably shouldn't do a blow by blow of this whole movie. We can't do the whole thing, we could, but but this meeting, this scene is so good, and I think you know, you can watch this film and be like, God, Dr. Carver, he's such like a hard ass, he's just so gruff and mean and like this nasty old man, and in a in a like um mean way, not like a gross way. Um, but but he is tough on her, but every scene, and again, watching this as an adult, like he really cared for her and he really tried to take care of her.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

Both both of the men see her grit. Yes, and decide to give it a chance. Now, Dr. Carver at first is like, nope, get out of here, get out of here. You're a child. Um, we'll talk about her age in a second, but put a pin in that. Um Al was also like, get out of here, kid, except that she revealed the ace. Yeah, and he's like, Oh kind of o'er one. Yeah, so she's taken on first just to be a stable hand. Right. But her tenacity is what gets them to get is what uh convinces Al to help her train to um be a diving girl. Yeah. And you know, when she's able to do it, they both show respect and she steps in when Marie gets hurt.

SPEAKER_06 53:46

And cause Marie did something she shouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

When you're around horses, Marie did not respect her tenacity.

SPEAKER_06 53:53

No, and she did not respect that horse. She did not. Marie got on to so okay, we missed a part where Sonora is on the farm, she's shoveling literal shit, and um Al brings back a new horse that he won. That he won in a poker tournament. Al has a gambling problem. He really does. Um, but it works out. We get lightning, this beautiful gray horse, but it's wild. It's this is an unbroken horse. And um, so he and Sonora in secret train this horse. Um, and this horse and Sonora have this bond, they create this bond, and she starts to understand lightnings. She also names this horse lightning. After her first love. And um, she understands the boundaries of this horse. And then Marie, once they reveal that they have trained this horse, Marie's like, Great, I'm gonna get on him, I'm gonna show you some things. And Sonora's like, hey, now, like he doesn't like that. She's like, You don't know anything. And the horse reacts and uh rears, and Marie falls off and dislocates her arm. Yeah, is that right? I think her shoulder or something. And um, so they've got a show in three days.

SPEAKER_03 55:09

You gotta respect the horses, y'all. You gotta respect the horses, and also Marie was not a girl's girl, she was not. Here is her chance, and there was like a really cute scene where Sonora's laying on the bed watching Marie get ready. Marie's beautiful, yeah. She's a beautiful lady, you know, and Sonora's this stable hand with this wild haircut, like clearly has not had a feminine influence, a loving feminine influence. And Marie is Marie never, yeah, she's a diva. She's she's a typical like villain diva.

SPEAKER_06 55:44

And um and so she karma comes for her. Yeah, she tells Sonora, like, um, you need to like work on your looks and put some more effort into what you got going on here, and then laughs at her when she does. So Sonora goes to the beauty parlor and maybe doesn't get the best hairdo, but she was trying, and Dr. Carver and Al did not laugh at her, they did not say a thing. They just kept the p dinner. Yeah, and and Marie starts laughing at her. No, not a girl's girl.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Okay, we need to talk about that. We need to talk about it. We're at the point where we have to, we can't continue any longer. Okay. In real life, yes, okay, there was a 20-year age difference. Really? Between Sonora and Al. Um, but she was not a child when she showed up.

SPEAKER_06 56:36

Because in this in this film, we think she's about 17.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

Let's be generous like. I know, like, because they because she's in school and her aunt is talking about how she's gonna go to the state until she comes of age. Right, which is pretty soon.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:50

So we could say 17. We'll try to say 17.

SPEAKER_06 56:53

Maybe, maybe she's 18 by the time this has happened. Maybe. But he is older.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Yeah. In the actors had a tenure age difference. And let me double check that.

SPEAKER_06 57:06

They never say his age in the film.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Right.

SPEAKER_06 57:09

But but we're they're sort of like, yeah, let's put that on the road. Maybe um mid-twenties in the film when we when they meet, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

Younger to mid-20s? I I think he's meant to be mid-20s and she's maybe 17. Yeah, you know, that's right. Um I know it was 1932 and they did things real different back then. Like back then, you were just looking to get married.

SPEAKER_06 57:33

My grandma got married at 18. Um, my granny, she was married at 18. The day after her high school graduation.

SPEAKER_07 57:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:41

So things were different, but we um we do things differently now.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

Yeah, Gabrielle was 20. Okay. She's filming this, so he was 30. She was 30. Okay. Um there's that. You know? And uh how old are they meant to be playing?

SPEAKER_06 58:02

I I So in real life, you were saying that there's a 20-year. Mm-hmm. So she she and how old when it started?

SPEAKER_03 58:12

And he was how old when it started. Um, okay. I I really went down. Um, I should have I should have written down my findings. I was like, well, it's just in a few hours, I'll remember. Surely I'll remember. Okay, she was born in 1904 and um started diving in 1923. So she was 19. Okay. IRL. Um how old was Alan?

unknown 58:48

IRL.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

Well, he's 20 years older. Oh, 20. So he's 39.

SPEAKER_06 58:53

That's a big difference. That's a big yikes from me.

Meet Me Halfway (through the movie)

SPEAKER_03 58:58

They got married uh five years later. So they got married when she's 24 and he's 44, you know. Yeah. Um, but then again, they stayed married until the day he died. That's so cool. So they knew and and also um when Sonora went to see this film, take in the film. I don't know if experience the film. Experience the film. Um I mean, spoiler alert at this point, we're all here to discuss this film. She is going to the real Sonora, Webster Carver, um hit the water with her eyes open on a dive and detached her retinas and was blind for the rest of her life, but was able to continue diving. Um so I I want to use the correct language for um people who are vision impaired. Do they go see a movie? To go watch a movie. Isn't that interesting? Take in a film. Um she did say commentary about um some of the portrayals, you know, because there's a moment where Al and his father get get into an argument, and Al grabs like a board, a board from the fence to like go to hit him, you know, and snores like, mmm, I don't appreciate that. That never happened with my husband and father-in-law. Let's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:23

Yeah, so there's a very contentious relationship in the film between Dr. Carver and his son, Al. Yeah. And um the um Al's mother, uh Dr. Carver's wife have has left them many, many, many years ago. Um so just these two men, yeah. So Al leaves. He does. They have they have this big blow-up argument, he and his dad. Yeah, and so Al gets out of there. But Sonora says, you know, write to me, and he says, Yeah, I will every day because they've had this kind of sort of a love connection happening. Which still feels too too when I was watching it, I was like, Oh, I don't remember this happening so I um watching it, so so there's this scene where they're swimming together and they get and he starts kissing her. Yeah, and you can she's uncomfortable and she leaves the situation. Yeah, and I was like, Good for you, yeah. You didn't like that, you didn't consent to it, and you got out of there.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

Yeah, and so and and it was it was right after the makeover, yeah. Which felt like both of them were like, Okay, nobody ruined this for this little girl who's trying to be, and then he kisses her, oh but then right after that, Al comes in the house and Dr.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:40

Carver's like, you leave that girl alone. She's young, he knew what was going on, and he's like, You leave her alone. She has a future ahead of her, don't try anything. Yeah, and Al was like, I haven't, and he's like, Good. Um, and then you know, they have the mouse back in the house.

unknown 1:01:54

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:56

Um, so I I appreciated both that Sonora got out of that situation and also that Dr. Carver stood up for her um and was always looking out for her, even sometimes when it felt like he was being real tough on her, yeah, he was he he never pushed her farther than she could go.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

That's right. And I will say, Al wasn't just trying to make a pass at her. That's right. Al was in love with her. He was. He writes to her every day. Every day. Near every day. Near every day. And his father keeps the letters.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:31

They never get to Sonora.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

He burns them, he throws them out, he hides them.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

She checks the mail every day, and she's like She asks him. She asks, and he says, no. Yeah. It's pretty rough. It's pretty rough. So, like a significant amount of time goes by. We don't know how much. Um, it doesn't really say. Right. But in this time, Sonora has become the lead diving girl. They're touring, they're doing the shows. Marie leaves. Right, because she is mad that about shared billing.

unknown 1:03:02

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

And she wanted a raise, she wanted her own dressing room.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

And uh, so she leaves to go become a real actress. That's right. Mm-hmm. And um Dr. Carver leaves for a few days to go and secure some shows. And while he's gone, uh, Lightning gets very sick. He does.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:28

Now, in this moment, uh as a former horse owner, thank God I never had to deal with this situation. But for those listening, um, lightning is colicking, yeah. Which is very, very serious. And Sonora is by herself with this horse as he's colicking. So signs of a horse colicking is they're pawing the ground, they're laying down, they won't get back up, and you really want horses to be on their feet. And um, she tries to call for help, but the phone line's not working, she can't get any help. And I watching it this time around was just like so stressed, um, because colic is deadly. Um, so essentially horses can't throw up. Um, part of their just biology, horses can't do that. And so if they get a tummy ache, so they're bloating or they are constipated or whatever, if they can't pass their manure, um really bad things can happen. And an impaction can happen, which has to be um repaired through surgery, and this all happens very quickly. Um, and then uh essentially it's like a torsion of their intestines can happen, which cuts off blood flow, which they can try to repair it with surgery, but often it's it's a death sentence for a horse. So when we see that she's just laying next to him through a whole entire night, I'm like, oh my God, this is such a movie because if this were real life, yeah, this horse probably would not have made it. Yes. So it's a very situ a very serious situation that lightning is in in this moment, um, that Sonora is having to deal with by herself. Um, you know, she she sleeps in the barn with him. He's it's very sweet. And then who walks in the next morning?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:32

Yeah. Al to the rescue. Al, right in the nick of time. He knows exactly what's going on, he knows exactly what to do. We gotta get this horse on his feet, we gotta get water in him. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

They he uses and they they like pull once the horse gets up and they walk and and then everything's better.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Well, it's a Disney movie, and thank goodness, because I was very stressed. So it's like nice um to know that they're like, and then lightning lived happily ever.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:57

And then it was over. Thank you. And then he Had a nice poo and it was great. Yeah, we don't see that, but you know, he's better.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

Now, of course, he's not completely recovered. Um, so Sonora can't dive on lightning, and they have now made it to Atlantic City. More news that Al comes home with. That's right. He has secured a residency at Atlantic City.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:23

And because he knew how much Atlantic City meant to Sonora, where all your dreams come true. He went there on his travels, talked to uh uh Mr. Slater, yeah, uh an event uh organizer, the guy there at Atlantic City on the boardwalk and said, I got a show for you. And then so they all of their work had dried up for the horse show. And so this Atlantic City gig was like their saving grace. So they're they're getting in the car, they're ready to go, and one of the most beautiful sequences of the film. I was just gonna pass right by that. Sure. I repress it every time. So it like autumnal like it was golden light. Um, they're driving to Atlantic City, and Dr. Carver starts rubbing his chest and trying to apologize to Sonora. Sweating, and he's apologizing for his wrongs in his life, for for hiding the letters, yeah. And um and says, you know, like maybe I'm gonna let's pull over, let's have a little stop. And she's like, Great, we'll have a picnic. And Dr. Carver goes off by himself, sits under a tree, sits under a tree, he knows what's going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

And a fatal, a fatal breeze blows past the picnic that only Sonora senses.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:41

And it was so poetic and beautiful because we see Dr. Carver under the tree, we know what's happening. We see the breeze hit Sonora, we see her look towards him, and then we swipe to reveal the funeral. Yeah. And we have the funeral for Dr. Carver. He passed away from a heart attack on the way to Atlantic City, where his son is taking over the show, you know, like it was this reconnection moment with his son, this dream of his, and he doesn't get to go the rest of the way with them. Yeah, but he did get to have catharsis with the people he loved. He did. So that's nice. So we have a funeral, and they have to go, they have the show must go on. So they have to go to Atlantic City. And as you said, Lightning was still recovering from his um from his uh colic, his serious, not so serious colic. And so they have to use red lips. Red lips.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

It's Al's um, so Al is now the showman, he's the announcer. Um they are gonna, and I think we gotta hit we gotta hit that. We gotta like Al's first show. Al's first show, he's very nervous, he's very nervous, very nervous. He's never done it before, he's always his dad. Yeah. He does a great job. Yeah. Um, he also throws in a special surprise. He sure does. And I appreciate okay, here's how I feel about proposals that are in public. Um, because this happens a lot. You see this, you know, commentary about like a woman wins an Olympic medal, and that's when her fiance or you know, her boyfriend proposes. Like you need to propose when it's your Olympic medal moment, like when you are in your awards speech, your big moment, um, maybe not your partners, unless you guys have discussed that. Um, but I like that he he takes this opportunity to propose to Sonora live in front of everyone as she's climbing up the ladder to do the jump.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:54

Yes. And so she runs down and she says, yes, of course, and everyone's cheering. Signs say yes. This is her first show in Atlantic City. They've just gotten engaged, she's about to do the dive on a horse she's never dove with that we've seen.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

Yes, we've Marie dove on Red Lips a lot. Um, Sonora's always been on Lightning, and um, none of them are used to having a grandstand band. Yeah. Um, and so, yes, on this dive right at the top, bang of the cymbals, Red Lips gets startled and stumbles, they topple down, and Sonora hits the water with her eyes open. Red Lips is not injured. That's like the first thing she asks. Is he okay?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

Um and Clifford and Al are like, No, are you okay? And she's like, Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Because her we see uh in a very cool camera moment, uh, like her eyes are like blurry, but then come back. And so she had her vision, at least in the film. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:00

For a little bit because like a detached retina. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:03

So in the not a doctor, because in the film, she goes fading a couple days and it fades, and then finally it's lights out, and so they have a doctor come in and say, you know, you had this impact, there's a there's a blood clot, and you didn't see a doctor right away because she said no. Al tried to get her to a doctor, she said no. And so in that time, her retina detached and it was permanent. And you know, I don't know if medically now they could have done anything, but back then they certainly couldn't. And um Yeah, the real Sonora Webster Carver did go blind, fully blind, yeah. Detached retinas in both eyes.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:43

And so this is the first time that Sonora's having a moment of doubt and she's in denial about going blind, losing her vision. She keeps saying it's gonna come back, it's just temporary. And then as she's starting to accept it, she's like, We can't get married. I don't want you taking care of me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

Um and we see Al being very sweet of like, I love that moment where he he takes her hand and he is like showing her where her clothes are in the closet. Like, these are the blue ones, these are the green ones, these are the white ones, and really trying to make their home more accessible for her. Um, Mr.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:27

Slater's like, uh, we gotta I'm gonna shut you down. I can give you a week. I understand that your family's going through something, but this tower was expensive. Yeah. And so they bring back Marie. They sure do. Marie comes back to do the diving. Um there's a moment where Marie is um taking new publicity photos, and they want her to get on lightning, and she's like, no, no, I'll just stand next to him. And one of the photographers comes over to Sonora and is like, honey, you're in the picture. Can you get can you get out? Yeah. Blind girl, shoo. Um, brutal, brutal for Sonora.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:07

That was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

And Sonora decides she wants to dive again. Al's like, uh, I don't think so. I don't want you to get hurt. And she's like, I'm doing it. And he's like, Okay, here we go. I have to respect you.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:20

Another training montage.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

Another training montage, and she keeps falling and falling and falling. And Al is like, honey, it's it's over. You gotta stop.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:31

But Sonora, she doesn't stop. She's a wild heart that can't not be broken.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:36

Wild hearts can't be broken, Al. You can't break this wild heart.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:41

Um, so during a lightning storm, she goes to the barn and she has her her moment with lightning. Yeah, they mind meld. They mind meld. And then it's like magically the next day. And also, Clifford is like Clifford. Clifford's now part of the show. He believes. He believes. Um and so Clifford, uh, they they have this whole plan. Yeah. And Clifford locks Marie in her little trailer. Yes. And uh Sonora's in the audience. Yep. Nearby the um the tower. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

So, you know, Al's like, okay, honey, sit here for the short. She's like, I will. She starts stripping in the seats. The man next to her is like, Hold on. And then she makes her way, counting her steps to the tower. Yes, climbs up. Clifford releases lightning from the stable. That seems very far away. Lightning's like, hell yeah. He's like the horse in the in the film, you know, just running circles to jump again. Yeah. He's like, I gotta get to the I'm gonna go jump.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:50

He runs across Atlantic City, yeah, runs up, but he also he's very polite. He waits at the Sonora to do the and then lightning trudges up there. A child is like, Look, Mom, there's a girl climbing the tower.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:04

And everyone's like, Oh, Al's like, no, Sonora, no. She slips at the top a little bit on the ladder. Yeah. Um, climbs, climbs up, here comes lightning. These are the hand inserts, like like her reaching for the harness in the saddle. She gets on him, she dives. Success. It's a perfect dive. Perfect. And she goes on to do it for decades.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:29

Yes, her and owl get married. They do get married. Do they have children in real life, or do we know? Um, I don't know. Not that you have to, I don't know, but just curious. Um, and I also love that so 90s, it's just like a freeze-frame ending. I know. It was a very abrupt ending. It really was. I wonder if there was more to the script, and they just like it's gotta be 80 minutes, guys. We gotta cut this thing. We ran out of money. Lock it in, guys. But it's a very sweet like embrace, and then you know, Sonora's voiceover comes over and is like, and my life was great, and we got married, and I I continued diving for years. And that was an hour and 28 minutes. Yeah, it's so just uh it just goes, you know, like it's a one of those films that where there's nothing wasted, yeah. Very economical with the storytelling, yeah. Um, I will say it is kind of a tragic wig on Cliff Robertson as Dr. Carver.

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Huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:34

I don't know, I'm really picky about wigs. I didn't notice you in mind it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

I was I was taken in by those twinkly eyes. Well, yes. Um for me, um Cliff, Cliff was just well, Clifford, the character, because Dr. Carver was played by a man named Clifford Robertson. Clifford Clifford, the little inventor, yes, the little sidekick, um, his motorcycle cage. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:07

I'm always like his death-defying stunt. Yeah, how which again another dream that came true. That's right. Lots of dreams coming true in this film. It's a Disney movie. You really love to see it, but it's also a film where there's like real stakes, and it's not just like I have a dream to climb a mountain, and then training montage, and she's on top of the mountain, you know, like there are real stakes, and you see tragedy, you know, like human experiences.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

A young female orphan in the 1930s, yeah, trying to make her way in the world. What a fun way to do it if you want to be an actor, you know, a showman. You're like, yeah, yeah, what a life.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:55

What an origin story.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:57

Um, and I I do have to shout out to the costume department because I thought the costumes were incredible. So good. The um, I wonder if these were rental pieces or if they built them because they look so perfectly distressed and so paper thin, like they've been worn so much you can see through them.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:15

Sonora's dress really was threadbare, you know. Yes. Um she had so many cute her writing those high the jaw purse with the beret and the tank top. If you see me wearing that, this just deal with it. I was like, on a bad hair day, I need to be wearing that hat. Why do we get rid of it?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:38

I mean, I'm like watching this film and I'm like, my hair is literally hair. You know, I mean, didn't did my dream come true of being Sonora Webster? Webster.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:48

Sonora Weaver, where'd that come from? Oh, Webster.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:51

Yeah, Webster. Um, but like her wardrobe is what I want to wear. That little um she had like a a blouse with butterflies on it. Did you catch that one? And with these like teal pants, I was like, I'll wear that right now. I just I wanted all of her writing for it. All of it. Yeah. One of my um hyperfixations right now is like color analysis. Okay. And so I believe she's in autumn. And I love that they dress her to her palette, and I think that's why it looks so good because sometimes they don't and it doesn't look good. And you're like, I don't, I can't tell why. And it's often because it's the wrong palette of that actor.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:26

Well, and specifically when Snora, because Sonora is riding horses, she is getting dirty, she's not wearing makeup. You're like, yeah, each time she has her makeup done, it looks inappropriate on her. It looks almost garish, you know? The in the same way, like the first time she does her dive, she's afraid to take a bow. And she's asking, right? She's actually like, I won't bow. She has to bow. I also loved when she's like, What if I can't do it? Will you hate me? And he's like, Mm-hmm. Yes, I will. Um, but yeah, her silly bow is how I feel about you know, her red lipstick.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:11

Like, yeah, she's trying, but it's but I will say uh the it was the the Atlantic City shows that she got the show makeup the growth, you know, from to match herself, which is I think when I was like, Oh my god, the color palette, because she's wearing a dark green bathing costume and she has a lip that is right for her, whereas when she dressed up, she's wearing like this light powder blue dress and this makeup that is not the right color for her, and and so it really stands out, and you're like, this doesn't look good, and a lot of that is because they played with the colors of it, which um means you have a really good design team. Um it is no, just the whole texture and look of it, it just looks so real. It looks like it was and the suits of Al, like those big shoulders and um his uh the shoes. Yes, the shoes with the um what there's like the two colors. What are those called?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:11

I'm like Mary Jane's saddle shoes? No, not for men.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:15

Whatever the male male zoot suit shoes. Yeah. Um, so really yeah, fun. And and the costume journey from you know where they started to going into these fancy zoot suits of the Atlantic City and um and that big costume piece of course that was Dr. Carver's signature piece, the fringe jacket that was a gift from Buffalo Bill Cody.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:42

Yeah, so the real Dr. Carver, a true showman, had had a couple of different types of shows before um his diving show and claimed that he was born in 1840, but was probably born in 1850. He told many tales. Uh he told he told many tales, and um historians have had to sort of piece together which among them were true and what was real and when exactly events transpired and everything. Um but was definitely like in the mid-1800s in Sioux territory.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:26

Um so it could be an authentic jacket from the region, but maybe not from Buffalo Bill Cody. I don't know. That was part of the that was part of the script, you know. I don't know, I don't know what's real, and but a really fun uh costume piece. Is this a female gaze film? Yeah, this is a female gaze film. I really think it is, yeah. And it was made by men, so like good for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:56

It is so rare. Whenever I see a male screenwriter and a male director on a teenage girl project, it doesn't feel good. I'm like, what are we doing? Be careful. Yeah, it is it can it can be really bad. It can be really yucky, really weird. Um these guys nailed it. I think because they they um the director uh Steve had read the book or was given the book and was like, oh, this would make a great feature film.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:35

Oh, so it was the director that optioned the book.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:42

Let me see if that's correct. Producer Paul. But I believe so.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:48

But yeah, that it's it's such a tricky thing to do. There's so many times where I've seen um female stories told that were not uh representative of them, we're not female gays, but and also because this is um, you know, there's a romantic element to it. It's about a young girl following her dreams, and all of it was uh, you know, she she was given the she was kind of in the driver's seat of all of it.

Final Ratings

SPEAKER_03 1:24:22

Because so often a quote strong female, a strong female lead is stubborn and feisty in a in an obnoxious way. Not in in a um what's the word when you're actually kind of judging someone looking down on them? Like judgmental? Haughty it it this happens a lot because I've I've always been a big reader and and I've always loved sci-fi and fantasy, and so many f fantasy novels and stories will have someone who where she's supposed to be strong, but she's actually just really obnoxious. Because Sonora Webster was determined and her stubbornness was grit, it wasn't just for the sake of being stubborn, it wasn't to be an antagonist, it wasn't to be troublesome, it was to to reclaim her power, and I loved this version, like I loved this heroine. Her teacher didn't love her, her aunt didn't love her, you know, they didn't they didn't recognize the grit and determination, they didn't they wanted her to be small and meek, and she was strong and courageous, um, and that's where her stubbornness came from. It it wasn't just for the sake of being rebellious, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:14

It was like she didn't fit in that world, you know, like she was bigger, she was being stuffed into a smaller box, right? And you know, it was her teacher was kind of probably the biggest representation of the patriarchy and standards in this of the time. And then Sonora got out of there into a place that was bigger where she could be her full self and was supported by these lovely men. And also, we never saw because you know, a lot of times you'll see a strong female lead, and then she's having like a meltdown, or she's having, you know, some relationship with a man, and you know, she she has a sexy look, right? She's walking around in panties or something. You don't have that here, they're very respectful about how she's dressed, and even when she tried to be sexy, it was actually one of the most covered-up costumes that she wears.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

Yeah, and you know, they yeah, they never ogle her when she's in her diving costume, no, not at all. Like, that's her work uniform. They respected her, they absolutely did. And she was doing dangerous stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:21

The relationship with Al, like he was constantly asking, like, how are you? Are you okay? It was like a relationship based in care, yeah. Um, and not like a physical uh element to it. Yeah, he admired her. Are we getting the rap?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

Is that what the supportive person with the information Steve Minor did not option Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken? Disney optioned the book and then hired the writers and the directors. So this was like a Disney engine. Kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:01

So the development department of Disney.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

I also have a comment and a couple questions. Okay. Producer Paul, get in here. Ratings.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

Great. Great.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:09

Comment. I find it interesting that Jessica has brought a couple movies about horse diving.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:16

Oh my goodness. You should um listen to our episode about the fall. Which I still haven't seen. Shannon, I know. Stop it, right? It's a special movie. Yeah. It's one of the most one of the best movies ever made.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:31

I think it's, I mean, visually and on so many levels, it's like I want to rewatch it. But like, it's a special, special movie. Couple questions. One, the Zooch suit shoe. Is that the spectator? Like the black and white? Yeah. Show me a picture. I guess this is where I failed you. I'm sorry. Producer Paul knows shoes. And then has anyone seen Point Break?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:58

A long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:59

I've always felt like that's a movie from the female gaze. It is a Catherine Bigelow.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:03

It is a Catherine Bigelow.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

And like it's like Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:08

I mean, Keanu Gru Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:11

From a specific point of view, and I just find the movie so fucking fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

Keanu Reeves is the female gaze. Keanu Reeves is the female gaze. But I'm not sure that the rest of the film.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:21

Point break is I mean, it's very machismo, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:25

Yeah, and just what they are all fighting for is a little silly. I'm not gonna argue with Catherine Bigelow's work.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:35

But there's so much like hero worship, like love from Keanu Reeves toward their chemistry is just off the charts.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:43

Is it also a little bit savior complex though? It's been a minute since I've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:49

I I don't know. I would be interested to hear your thoughts about it. On that note, I want to give you two a chance to wrap up. I've outlived my usefulness.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:59

And yes, it does appear that the spectator shoe is the zoot suit shoe that we're looking at. That dual tone.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:05

I'm glad producer Paul came through on that. Um, so you all can do your spectator shoe shopping. Um, but it sounds like we need to do an episode on on um point break. We need to come back for that. Um, okay, so Shannon, what is your your final rating now that we've talked about this for a really long time?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:24

I'm still giving it five out of five haircutting shears. Um and I'm glad that there has been so much conversation about animal conservation and and welfare. You know, this this is a film we can't remake, nor should we.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:45

Yeah. Um, I am also gonna give it five out of five Atlantic cities. I would give it more if I could, probably. I just I I love this film, it makes me so happy. Yeah, I just love everything about it. It's so pretty, it's so inspiring. And yeah, and just to remind us that animal actors need to be really taken care of, and that maybe we should not do some things how we used to, or rethink how we could use uh an animal actor. Bitless bridles, baby, bitless bridles. There is a movement of bitless dressage, neck rein only. It's it's really cool. I love really love horses, guys. Yeah, me too. They're really cool. God, I wish we could have a horse guest with us. I love horses, we really goofed up.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:47

I love them. Where's our horse guest? Producer Paul? They're so sweet.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:52

Me, that I don't know where that one was gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:01

Um, where can we find you online, Jessica?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:07

Well, probably more places than I want to be, but um, on Instagram, you can find me at Jessica Aaron Martin. Great. It's just my name. Mine is also my name at Shannon Corbet. Wow. And you people need to follow you so they can know when your TV episodes are coming out. That's true. All three of them that are coming out this year.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:28

It's true. Um, and we'll talk Hollywood Fringe because I've been trying to decide if I want to bring a new one woman show. And I had so much fun doing the time machine with you guys last year when I did Napoleon's Horse Sister. So I'm like, maybe we gotta I know it's so much fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:45

One woman show.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:45

It's yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:46

Go see live theater, everybody. Go to the Hollywood Fringe Festival. Yes, go see women in uh in shows at the Hollywood Fringe Festival.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:58

Come see us, yeah, or just us. Um your normal, your regular hosts at Run BMC and at Paul Acts Badly. The liar.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:13

Um he'll be back the next episode. So don't worry. This is just a special, special little interlude. That's right. Where two gals just want to talk about a couple of horse girls. Just a couple of horse girls.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:28

Trying to talk about horses. Thanks, Janin. Um, can you tell us a little bit about the music we're about to hear?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:36

Okay, I would love to. Um, the music is by Jamie Hinwood, Chris Olds, and Matthew Foscett.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:43

I think we did it. Bye. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:46

Goodbye.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:48

Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you so much for coming.