Demolition Man / Those Are Balls (Guest: Matthew Fosket)

Everybody, freeze! Cause Ben and Paul are talking about listener pick, "Demolition Man," (d. Brambilla 1993) with another listener pick, our Guest: Matthew Fosket! This futurist/fascist film stars Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, and Sandra Bullock. We drop some of the best "Late Night Tubi's," rehash Stallone v. Schwarzenegger, and break open some serious scientific questions. After our through rigorous testing, countless research hours, visual enhancement, map/terrain comparisons, and side by side analyzation...well, those are balls. We couldn't figure out the 3 seashell thing. 4/28!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:01

Okay. Oh I fell down.

unknown 0:10

My butt.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

The amount of times I've fallen down and said my butt. I've fallen and I can't get up.

SPEAKER_06 0:20

Um alright. No, that's too I feel like is this a chair? Can you sit in that chair real quick? I feel like one of these either I'm I feel like I'm lower. Okay, we got a different oh because this is the fart chair. That's why it fart. I will.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Yeah, we know that it's the fucking fart. We get we got it 16 rockets ago. Two of those, two of those are farts. Yeah, we also understand the beauty of the fart here.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09

So I don't deadly.

SPEAKER_06 1:20

Oh but nuts, butts and guts! Is that the new show from Guy Fury? Welcome to Nuts, butts and guts. It's from Mario Badali. Oh god damn it. Be more worried. Uh oh, there was a knock at the door.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Oh shit, was there?

SPEAKER_05 1:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:43

What if we just kept recording and told him to sit down and just go?

SPEAKER_00 1:53

What? I thought I heard a knock. I made it up. Never mind. That's your best quality. That's the good part. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

What's your worst quality? Meth addiction. Sometimes I care too much. Basketball. Basketball. Basketball.

SPEAKER_05 2:11

Basketball.

SPEAKER_06 2:11

I have to use meth to balance out the heroin. That's like normal, right? Nobody. How do you sound? I feel like you need to be closer. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Something like that.

SPEAKER_06 2:22

Doesn't it sound better? Do you think so? Because if you get back here, it gets like hollow.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

It gets real like uh real roomy.

SPEAKER_06 2:27

Tingy, yeah. Dave, has he been fed? He has food at the top of the stairs.

unknown 2:31

Okay, I've been okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

He's been fed at courting suddenly.

SPEAKER_06 2:36

That was weird. Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

It just dropped out. I don't know. Is it picking me up? We are 100% being listened to.

unknown 2:45

What?

SPEAKER_02 2:46

RFK intercepted us. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

You're not supposed to say his initials. At least not three times. Yeah. RFK?

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Oh, no. No. RFK. You guys called. You guys could be doing cherlips while you're recording.

SPEAKER_06 3:01

He's in his jeans. Let's rock out! Soaked to the bone.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

It has so many meanings.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

It does. It has a lot of meanings.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

We've been discussing this. Do you hear that smooth honey drip voice? Is that a thing that happens?

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Honey drip? No, you get soaked to the bone. Is that like it's a common phrase? Yes, but in the Mormon culture, is it?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

We're gonna lose so much of this, by the way. We haven't introduced anything. We're just doing a sound test, I'm not. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 3:33

Yeah. Is this slowly falling? I hope so. Yeah, it is. I think it happens. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

I hope so. At what point did these down here somewhere? I mean, that's just the clamp. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:51

That's just the clamps.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

These were out, not every microphone stand does that. Yeah, you just rake on it, and it is better for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

Loosey goosey. You're just playing Legzies with me. I there's something that's getting me in this pillow. Soak to the bone. That's all I'm trying to get. Legsies with you. Oh, okay.

unknown 4:21

Okay.

What You Been Doing?

SPEAKER_04 4:22

Do we think the sounding good? Should we listen to it? Listen to the bone. I'm I'm ready to kind of thing too. Not only because I want to play Legzi, but I'm getting too hot. Because we're playing Leg Z. I'm gonna be burping my athletic out, so be ready for that. Not applicable, not available. Ball with the ball to back to man picked up. It's not real. The boogie said I chuck the boogie.

SPEAKER_06 4:47

It's not real. Hi, everyone. Is this live? We just got a season desist.

SPEAKER_04 4:53

Hi, everyone. The three voices you heard, one of which is me. Hi, my name is Paul. I'm a co-host here.

SPEAKER_03 5:01

Uh my name is Ben, and I am also a co-host. My name is Matt, and I am a uh co-host. Basically, yeah. You're in every episode. Every episode. Maybe more than either of you. I well, we've all taken a break.

SPEAKER_06 5:18

You and I have both taken a break. That's true. There's more Matt Foskett in this. Is this my show? Is this Mike still falling? It's still falling. You're gonna be on the floor.

SPEAKER_04 5:26

Are you the Dr. Raymond Cocteau of this program? Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 5:32

You mean like he gets burnt alive? I mean he's mostly dead. Oh, he's shot in the head. Yeah, he's shot in the head. Yeah, he got so that's his cooking. And you do like to cook.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

Is carna de cocteau?

unknown 5:46

See?

SPEAKER_04 5:47

This is a cockteau burger.

SPEAKER_06 5:49

Matt, if you don't know, it's Matt Foskett. Uh he has returned. Also, welcome back. Thank you. It's nice to see your face. I'm excited to be here. Uh and we are doing uh He turned away and laughed.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

As I look, I like looked at him like in surprise. Like you're not excited. You are? Don't lie. Don't you lie to me?

SPEAKER_06 6:11

Hold on. Everyone, if you're listening to the first time, you're probably very confused. Because why the fuck are these three schmucks yakking it up right now? That's because we do a podcast, don't we, Paul?

SPEAKER_04 6:20

Yeah. It's weird that you're talking about discarded foreskin. Don't think I said those words. Isn't that what a schmuck is? Oh, is that true? I'm pretty sure. Because I think I see Sylvester Stallone's dong in this. I haven't seen this movie and really watched it. And there was a point where I was like, oh no. Do you want to introduce this program? I was more like, oh yeah. I was just like, holy shit, they didn't go through the thoroughness to put the nodes in the right places during any shot of that frozen ice cube, whatever, of where they put him on his body before he got frozen and where they were, but they made sure it had a huge cock.

SPEAKER_06 7:08

This is a movie podcast where we will have a guest. That guest will bring us a movie. Sometimes it's seven years old or older with a couple of stipulations, not part of a major franchise. And uh this time, uh, while our guest is return guest Matthew Foskett, you did not bring us this movie.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

I absolutely did not bring you this movie.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

Oh no, that is indicative of your feelings. Well, we watched The Party at Stud and Kitties by T Dodge, Dr. Dodge, DDS, DMC, whatever. Uh, Dr. Dodge said, You gotta watch Demolition Man with Matt Foskett.

SPEAKER_06 7:47

Yes, it was a special request.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yes, and I appreciate being requested. You acquiesce the request.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Why is everything so disingenuous with you?

SPEAKER_06 8:00

What is happening? I think it started when Matt brought you a gift and you said, Oh, is this something you want to get rid of?

SPEAKER_03 8:06

And when I was at Tokyo Central today, I thought, oh, it's gonna be a really nice gift. Maybe like something that he could enjoy while he's stoned, eating a camembert donut. I know. And I gave it to him, and he said, Oh, is this some trash you found in your apartment?

SPEAKER_04 8:26

That's a way to put it. That's not exactly what I said. It's a hundred percent what I was like. That was a subtext.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

That was a subtext, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

It is a hundred percent true that is what you heard. But he put it in my hand and I went, oh no, it's something nice.

SPEAKER_04 8:42

Is that what I said exactly?

SPEAKER_03 8:43

And then I gave emoji and he dropped it on the floor.

SPEAKER_06 8:49

Yeah, so we just start. This microphone is slowly falling, I'm convinced. I'm convinced it's slowly falling.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

Just move your chair and sit on the ground.

SPEAKER_06 8:59

At some point it's gonna be yeah, it's gonna be hanging dangles. Anyways, let's keep going. Okay. Uh so I guess, Matt, what have you been up to?

What Are You Watching?

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Uh so uh moved to Los Velos from North Hollywood. Okay. It's a wonderful upgrade for somehow cheaper. Um, so uh been getting moved in, doing all that kind of stuff. And uh Do you like your neighborhood? I love my neighborhood, which uh probably a year ago, maybe two years ago, I talked to Rachel about how my wife Rachel, who's also been on the show, Rachel Floskett. Rachel Floskett. Uh how I've talked to other people and they say that they like where they live. And living in North Hollywood, I was like, I don't know if that's a reality, or if they just are saying it and to sound positive in the conversation.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

And then anywhere else you go is like living in San Angeles in 2036.

SPEAKER_06 10:01

Uh I think Los Velas is awesome. Every time I visit there, I'm like, there's great food, yeah, great coffee shops, uh bookstores, too.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Everything that you want, not everything, everything, but you don't spend your whole day doing errands because there's what you're looking for is there most of the time. Uh it's yeah, I really, really like it. Nice. And you're all moved in, unpacked, everything? Yeah, a little decorating things. Need some rugs. But yeah. Moving sucks, so moving does suck a lot.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

It's one of the five most stressful things that someone can do in life.

SPEAKER_06 10:38

Wait, is that true? Five most stressful things someone could do in life. Moving. Oh, it's on the board. You got it. Steve Harvey's happy. Getting married, getting divorced, having a baby. Moving.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

Yeah, I bet that would be on the board. And final arrangement. Hangnails. Buying a house, hangnails, stubbing your toe. Yeah. Your life sounds incredible.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

Being upset. Hangnail one. Being upset that your sports team lost. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

I don't know what that's like. Me neither. Wow. Because I'm not a Niners fan.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

Hey, please listen to our review review shelf help episode celebrating the Seahawks Super Bowl victory in 48 and 60. In the 50 years of the franchise, they've won two. Two in less than the last 30 years.

SPEAKER_06 11:27

What a joy to be such a dominant team throughout the season and then just take it to the house. Paul, what have you been up to other than getting bit by a scorpion or whatever happened to you? What the hell happened to my leg?

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Is that because you touched Ben's leg with yours? I think so. I am sharp. Or it was like something on the pillow or something that bit me. I don't know. It's causing me worry. Well, either way, we can call Dr. Dodge. We've got Dr. Foskett here, or we can call Dr. Cocteau. Many doctors we can refer to. But uh yeah, well, either way, Dr. Dodge wants us to know that he uh this episode for Demolition Man has to happen because we've been low-jacked. And uh he knows where we are. What have you been doing? We're gonna be recording this. We are we always record it. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

He's been waiting for this episode for a while. So do we know if he liked the m like the movie? He does like the movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Yeah. Excellent. I think that is something that we needed to go over. I have been. I'm gonna get on track here. I went and saw this musician that I absolutely love. He's like this post-disco pop guy, went with the B-Dog. We went and saw Donnie Benet. Had an absolutely phenomenal time. This jazz artist opened for him named Trey Magnifique, which I think means very beautiful or very magnificent or both. I don't know. Okay. But he was awesome. Had a great time. Nice. Danced, had a couple beers, whatever. It was fantastic. It was at the Regent.

SPEAKER_08 13:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

In downtown. It was a cool little venue. Had a wonderful time. Sounds delightful. Yeah. Ben, what have you been up to?

SPEAKER_06 13:13

Uh I've been. Well, Paul, what have I been up to? This is a stalling mechanism.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

I don't feel as bad now. No, sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Because sometimes this segment doesn't happen on the pod. No, it always does. Every single time. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

Every you listen to this as much as either of us do. Probably more.

SPEAKER_06 13:39

It could be. I mean, honestly, uh I I'm pre prepping to direct another play uh in the coming month. And so I'm been in production meetings and been reading the play and been meeting with a co-director. I've never co-directed a play before, so uh that'll be interesting. Um and yeah, so I've just been in a lot of preparations for that.

SPEAKER_04 14:03

How does that work? Does one person direct blocking and one person directs dial? How does that break down?

SPEAKER_06 14:09

Uh I mean, so the biggest thing is that this play is in Seattle. It's uh uh Annie Baker's The Aliens produced by White Rabbit, right White Rabbits Inc. And me and Lindsay are the two directors. And uh I've worked with two directors before as an actor, like co-directors, and I think it's just more of like a um uh two minds working as one, trying to be aligned and and tuned with each other to to give direction, you know, bounce ideas off each other and then give direction clearly. So it's not like splitting up of direction, it's just trying to really align. Uh the Lindsay is in Seattle, and so I'm only gonna be there per like in person for about a week of rehearsal, and then the rest I'll be remote. So I think that's the that'll be the biggest difference, is that she will be in the room and I'll just be sitting on Zoom. Um but yeah, so it's a play I've loved for a long time and I'm really excited. I'm I wish I could direct it fully and be there, but I but I have a job.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

I think it's a great opportunity to uh you haven't co-directed something for the stage though, right? Um no. I think it's a cool opportunity to like it's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:28

Well, like having to do it over Zoom seems like quite a challenge. I think there's a few challenges for sure, but I'm I'm open to a challenge for sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

Matt, this is where we do what are we watching?

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Do you guys sing it every time? Or is it the recorded?

SPEAKER_06 15:47

The guest, if the guest really is into the the pod, is no, they'll they'll start singing it and we'll be like then you edit it out?

SPEAKER_04 15:54

Yeah, usually okay, so you don't listen that often. Because this happens a lot, actually. I don't know people hum it or yeah, or okay, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

It's an earworm, you create an earworm. I did on accident. Isn't that how all art happens? Accidents? I mean probably the good kind, yeah. Like people uh especially when you get like these huge hits and people go, I don't know, it just it was a song in my album. I didn't know it was gonna be the hit.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Yeah, I think it's a certain type of person that has that awareness of like this is going to like this song is a radio song, but a lot usually that's maybe the producer or when there's like 12 people writing one song and then they all convince each other that it's really great. Yeah. But I think a lot of it's a lot of writers. Yeah, that's a lot of writers, and you guys those rhymes are really creative, unique, yeah. Well, what have I been watching? Yeah, not what you've been listening to. What have you been watching? I've been watching a lot of things. I qualified for Tubi. Whoa! Yeah, okay. Turns out I was wrong, and you can just you just download it.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

I have been sending a lot of personal information to people that should not be getting my personal information.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

I don't remember this, but at some point it became a bit where I was making fun of Paul for being so poor that he was allowed to watch Tubi.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

My accountant my accountant like recommending it to me or something.

SPEAKER_06 17:38

You I see you're spending a lot on Netflix. Have you considered Tubi?

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Also, have you seen my new business card at Tubi?

SPEAKER_03 17:50

Mark Jones at Tubi. But Tubi is free. Tubi is free, and you can fall asleep on the sofa and wake up to some crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_06 17:58

Oh, like Mr.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Kabuki, Surgeon Kabuki Man, and my PD. Absolutely. Especially if you start with something weird. Yeah. Like if you start with some like real low budget something, you'll wake up to a like a high school film shot in Seattle. Like crazy. I made that. Yeah. That was me.

unknown 18:19

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

Oh, the one brought to us by Skyline Mine. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:24

So very shit have you been watching okay?

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Uh uh Trees Lounge.

SPEAKER_06 18:30

Just list them off, man. Just go, just go in a list. The Buscemi movie.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Just the Buscemi movie. Just give me lists. Uh it's not that. Leaving Las Vegas isn't that. Okay. But like some stuff like that, you know. I like leaving Las Vegas. Uh a movie, this was a little while ago, but uh Shogun Shadow. I got real into samurai stuff for a while. Okay. That movie is great. Um on the airplane the other day, I watched Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

SPEAKER_06 18:54

Oh, I haven't seen that in a long time.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I realized I hadn't. I remember it coming out and I was sure that I watched it, but when I watched it again, I realized I had seen maybe maybe I watched the first 10 minutes or something like that. And watching it's one of my favorite movies I've ever seen. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_06 19:10

Have you seen Hero?

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember Hero Grey? Jet Lee, right?

SPEAKER_06 19:15

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Is Jet Li okay, yeah. Jet Lee's in it. Umbach. Oh, there's a bunch of these that are like so. I really, really like fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Yeah. Uh that's it? Uh, that I can weird stuff. Living alone, and you come home from work and you turn something on, but you don't really have like a direction. There's a lot of weird stuff to watch.

SPEAKER_06 19:41

It's true.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

Um there was a Monday I was off the other day, and I had a few gummies and watched like four seasons of the Mighty, all three seasons of the Mighty Boosh, but only was awake for two episodes. I fell asleep at like 6 30.

SPEAKER_06 20:01

Do you ever miss do you miss like the two early 2000s of falling asleep and waking up to the DVD menu?

SPEAKER_03 20:07

And like just that song that will not stop, but it's like a 22-second loop.

SPEAKER_06 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:12

And like you're like dreaming about it, and it's like partially in your sleep, and you wake up and you're like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_03 20:17

And when you actually wake up, like you could not be more annoyed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:21

Turn this off.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Get this out of my life. It's so bright, also.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

I don't think Matt misses this. I I kind of miss that.

"Demolition Man" Facts

SPEAKER_06 20:29

I kind of for me, we were just watching that Family Guy clip. I I had those first two seasons of Family Guy on DVD, and I can just those DVD menus like are like something happened through osmosis of sleep and them just being in my brain forever.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

It's like they get kicked on your like eyelid.

SPEAKER_06 20:46

Yeah. Yeah. It's like yellow, it's bright yellow. And hey Lois, can you tell me about them or whatever? Fuck. Never what else have you been watching? Uh okay. I went to a theater to see a live performance yesterday. Oh. Because I think we should support, as you did, is see live music, and I think it's important to see live theater and ballet and opera and jazz and all these cool things. So I saw um, it's right here. I went to the Boston Court Theater and saw a little play called Octopus's Garden, which is a new play. And I didn't know anybody in it, but I had seen a little trailer that it used a giant octopus puppet, and I thought that sounded really cool. And so I took myself to the theater and it was so fucking awesome. It was this giant octopus puppet, three occ three puppeteers have to use it. Um, yeah, obviously eight tentacles that are all uh operated, and then the head, and it's in this tank, and it was a really great like the story was about them researching this octopus, and uh like they're in a tank sort of uh it's like a research center similar, like Monterey Bay. And then uh they come up with a theory that that an octopus might be able to make music, and so they dropped this like thing in. This like floating thing that's full of these um touch tabs that make different tones, and like in one night the uh the octopus makes like the best song ever made. And these two researchers are like trapped because they don't know what to do with this information and they can't get the octopus to recreate it. And so it's this whole thing of like, did it happen? Like we can hear it, will anyone believe us? It was cool. It was like a cool concept.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

Do they start to believe it's like a hallucination or anything like that? Or like or just the the belief that the octopus is willfully not going to do this again?

SPEAKER_06 22:31

There was a s uh if I say anything more it'll spoil it, but there is definitely an uh an essence of it of like, are octopuses like are they potentially alien? Like, are they are they because they're so hyper intelligent, and also like maybe we're not actually hearing what we think we're hearing that there's maybe giving us some maybe the octopus is doing something more than anyway.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

It was cool, and I cool was it an allegory to show that Ringo Star was the best songwriter in the Beatles?

SPEAKER_06 23:01

At the end of the day, yeah, the octopus like transforms and it was Ringo the whole time. I am the walrus.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

I am the walrus. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 23:13

L I Vladimir Ulyoff Lenin, Donnie. I am the walrus. Uh also I started Welcome to Tree's Lounge, motherfucker. Because of you and Sarah Coates, I started Traders. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jess and I are locked into season one where it's all we talk about.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

I dream about it. It's really a fun fucking show. I couldn't get on board till this most recent season, but it's a fun show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Did you watch uh DTF St. Louis?

SPEAKER_06 23:39

Oh, I haven't started that.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

I just watched, I think I wanna. There's two, there might be a third episode. I told you about it. It's I liked I like the first one, but it's gonna depend on how it unfolds. If it unfolds kind of how they're showing like it's going to, it'll be kind of shit. Yeah. But I don't think it will. I think it's gonna be more clever than that. I hope so. Pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:02

I hope so. I'm like kind of letting a few episodes release before I'll be a good idea. You're one of like two people that have mentioned it.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

But it's shot really well. The acting's great. No doubt. Everyone that's in it is really cool.

SPEAKER_06 24:16

So what else have you been watching, Paul, other than DTF St. Louis?

SPEAKER_04 24:19

I'll be brief. Three-time Oscar winner, Sean Penn for acting, is also a director. He made a movie called The Indian Runner that I wanted to mention to Matt. I didn't know this movie like fucking existed. It starts Vigo Mortensen and David Morris, and I think it's Patricia Arquette and Dennis Hopper. It's got this great cast, but it's it's produced by Steve Bannon. That's Steve Bannon. Weird. And it's written by Bruce Springsteen, that Bruce Springsteen. And I was like, is this based on like Johnny 99? And then I was like, is this based on Highway Patrolman? It's based on Highway Patrolman. It's current, it's from the 80s or like maybe 90. Okay. But I was just like, Holy shit, crazy. I was blown away. And I think the same thing. Like, if you adapted that for now, it would be holy shit. But like we just can't imagine Steve Bannon and Bruce Springsteen making a movie together now.

SPEAKER_06 25:13

That more than anything. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize Bruce uh Steve Bannon produced shit.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

Yeah, like apparently, like a handful of things.

SPEAKER_06 25:21

Other than propaganda.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Apparently a handful of things, but at some point or whatever. I mean, I don't know. And Nebraska's such a cinematic album as well as like fucking depressing. So many things. But uh I didn't know this movie like existed. I wanted to make sure I put it on people's radar because performances and some of the thematic stuff, if nothing else. Uh so it's got some shit going on, and I wanted to mention as we're watching a futurist movie, uh, a movie about a man in technology and how this goes. I watched a movie directed and written by Mikkel Crichton, starring the mustache himself, Tom Sellick, a movie called Runaway. And it has a glaring Gene Simmons, and it's really, really something that Gene Simmons and that Gene Simmons. But the uh the movie, I just think this movie nails a lot of shit in terms of the way that things were gonna go, like in a in a low-key way, got it right. Not 96 Los Angeles, that was a miss. But you know, uh Runaway, not not on my high recommendations, though. It's a little kooky. Okay, it's one of the late night tubies.

SPEAKER_06 26:38

So Indian Runner, yes, runaway, no.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

It is a special time to watch movies when it's like music now, like it's not like when we were kids and you had to look for a CD. You had to like try to listen. Now you you can just listen to whatever literally whatever you want. It's wild. It's really wild. And with movies too, is like it was hard to watch things, especially if they weren't what was currently coming out, and now you can just find but that's why I I don't like that.

SPEAKER_06 27:05

It's like it's like it's like paralysis, like decision paralysis, because there's like movies is harder, it's just a bigger commitment. But it's also like when I go to a restaurant, I don't want to I don't want a menu this thick. I want to I want a menu that feels like oh this each individually dish individual dish is gonna is like good.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

It's one page you can flip, it's not a cheesecake factory menu. And I you said something about commitment. I feel like shows are a minimum six hours in most cases. T movies, I my hope is that most of them are an hour 40 to an hour fifty. But like in terms of runaway, the one thing it gets right, I will say, is like, oh shit, cool, we'll all have fucking robot butlers or whatever at some point. But like, yeah, your Sony TV or your Alexa or your Roomba right now just like cleans your house or like helps you take photos or whatever, and people are watching you fuck, but somebody's gonna hack it and they're gonna try to use it to kill you.

SPEAKER_05 28:02

That's like the premise of that movie. It is so wild. I'm so glad I talked to you.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

I guess I mean though, you can go through and you can say, I want to watch old Mickey Rourke movies before his like and you can watch those instead of like, oh, I would like to someday, but I don't have access to it. Like you can go find whoever your actor is. Like, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_06 28:25

Well, we didn't watch a Mickey Rourke movie. Could have been, maybe. That would have been weird. Yeah, dude, we're gonna talk about that. All right, uh, let's talk about some facts. We watched Demolition Man 1993. Warner Bros Silver Pictures rated R is an hour and 57 minutes. It sure is. The budget is 57 million. Uh it's 128.1 million adjusted for all of you depressed fans out there. Opening weekend is October 8th, 1993. It made 14 million in the US, uh 31.4 adjusted. Final Gross North America 58. 58 million. That's 130.3 million adjusted. Final Gross Worldwide is the same.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

I can't believe this didn't get a worldwide release. Stallone is such a global poll.

SPEAKER_06 29:15

I mean, this is clearly I mean, like, this is clearly like his attempt at Terminator, right? Like, this is what he right? Like, this is kind of what he's I think so.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

I I feel like I must have done some incorrect research here. So like this had this has a fact on it about global differences. So I must have fucked up. So I'll own that as we're talking about the Terminator and AI and shit, because this had to have. Had to have.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

He also neither of them were the first uh choices for the movie.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Oh. That's a fun fact.

SPEAKER_06 29:49

We'll get on to that. We'll get there. We'll get there. You don't no spoilers. Uh other releases this weekend. Mr. Jones and me. Is that I don't know. Yeah, the county cross song came out this weekend in 1993. That's wild. Yeah, I know. Oh man, I can't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 30:06

I'm colorblind. I couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_06 30:08

It just says Mr. Jones. I don't know. Weekend top five. This movie. I just got your joke. That's so stupid. That's how that's why you could count the crows. They're black. Black is famously the absence of color.

FUN Facts

SPEAKER_05 30:38

I can't hear birds out. Leave me out of this. Birds aren't real.

SPEAKER_06 30:45

Uh would you call it a murder, death, kill of crows? Yep, that's one getting eight and seven. Uh weekend top five. This movie, Cool Runnings, Malice, The Good Sun, The Age of Innocence, other films from 1993. Ernest rides again. Boxing Helena, Nemesis, Best of the Best. Two. Some of these are made up. Trespass, Howard's End, Who's the Man, Boneheads, and The Fugitive.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

That's real. Oh, I know that movie. Don't let that one get away. I didn't kill my wife. You're not gonna be able to watch that on Tubi in the middle of the night anytime soon. Why? Because you're watching Samurai Cop. Because you had the choice.

SPEAKER_06 31:29

Pause. I could do a shelf help of my 4K fugitive.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Don't pause that. Yeah, man. That would be awesome. Okay, back in. We're back in. Go! Break!

SPEAKER_06 31:39

Oh, we won the Super Bowl. Uh, Letterbox average 3.3 follow us on Letterboxd. I'm at Run BMC.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

At Paul ActsBadly. Matt, have you been pulled into that black hole time waster?

SPEAKER_03 31:51

No, but when you ask me what I've been watching, it might help if I was, because I would have some sort of record of what I was watching. Can I please show you how to drive Letterboxd?

SPEAKER_04 32:00

Please. Damn. He's shaking his head. No. I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_06 32:05

Okay, you don't need another one. Siskel and Ebert. Siskel uh they split. Ebert was up. Siskel uh did not like, I suppose.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

I guess he like liked it, but not enough to recommend it.

unknown 32:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 32:19

Rotten Tomatoes is 66%, uh, 67 popcorn, Metacritic 34, 6.3 user, major awards wins and nominations, three Saturn noms, MTV nom, and somehow a Razzie for Worst Actress. That makes no sense to me. Yeah, that for all the Razzies give, that that doesn't make any sense to me either.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

I find Sandra Bullock in this movie very charming. Matt is stroking his beard like you two are crazy.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

She didn't have she has to say a lot of crazy shit. She does.

SPEAKER_06 32:55

Yeah, that's true. I think, but she is very charming. I feel like she's bubbly and giddly. She's I mean, she's always to me, she's always believable.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

I think she fits in the society that they're in in the time. And you can understand what she's saying, and that's really great. Which is that's a cool thing. Because she's not mumbling to her mouth. The rabbit takes a what is a psycho? What is that? What is the line? He was takes a psycho. Takes a maniocation.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

By the way, has anyone seen the movie Cobra? I just wish this were a sequel to Cobra. I just want to say it. I might have seen it back in the day. That's an established character that chases down serial killers, and that character in a sequel would have been infinitely better than John Spartan. The names in this John Spartan. You know what's weird is when I was- Simon Phoenix!

SPEAKER_03 33:44

It wasn't until I read the notes that it connected to me that Spartan was Spartan. Like when they were saying it over and over again, I just wasn't even thinking about the word. And then I read it, I was like, wait, that was his name.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Spartan? All you were thinking about was that you had to kill Edgar French. Isn't there someone you have to kill? Yeah, Matthew.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

Yeah. The worst name in this is the one that's like kind of racist, but not really racist in the right way. Is Benjamin Bratt's character is named Alfredo Garcia.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

So like what they even pointed out later where they're like, oh, shouldn't you punch a wheel? It's like, nope, still Alfredo Garcia. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 34:23

That's like a that's like a Mexican-Italian place that you go to go to get to Alfredo Garcia.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

Fusion, yeah, it's like a fusion place. I get what you're saying. So this movie was directed by Marco Brambia, who also directed Excess Baggage. Baggage? Excess bagel? Excess access. Baggage. Primarily short films and music videos, Ben shaking his head. Writers of this film were at the very least Peter Lenkov, who wrote Son-in-Law. Is it crotch? Is it crap? Excess Baggage? Daniel Waters, Heathers, and Robert Renault, Action Jackson. Music was Elliot Goldenthal. Does anybody else feel like this kind of feels like Danny Elfman? Did anybody else hear Batman Forever? Like, like trying to play off of Batman Returns and I didn't really catch that myself. I catch so many of the like uh horns and kind of I'm trying to play an instrument that's not here.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

I don't know if that's how you're gonna do it. It feels a little elfman-esque to me. I don't know. Frida, Final Fantasy, the Spirits Within, and Titus. If anyone's seen that movie, that movie rules. The Hopkins one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Julie Tamore directed. Cinematography was Alex Thompson, R.I.P. Legend, Excalibur, and Executive Decision. That movie rules.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

I'm just gonna love that movie.

SPEAKER_04 35:49

Seagal dies like right away. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

I think Seagal was supposed to be in this.

SPEAKER_05 35:58

I can't wait to talk about that.

Brought To You By

SPEAKER_04 36:00

Producers of this film were uh Joel Silver, Die Hard, Lethal Weapons series, Michael Levy, the last Boy Scout, Craig Schaefer, yes, the actor from Nightbreed, American Crude, and like 10 or whatever plus more people. Sylvester Stallone was Matt, believe it or not, he was Spartan. Over the top, I see you, nice hat switch, Paradise Alley, and Rhinestone. Wesley Snipes was Phoenix, White Men Can't Jump from 92, Sugar Hill, and Blade. Sandra Bullock was Huxley, Miss Congeniality, Practical Magic and Speed. Listen to our speed episode. Nigel Hawthorne, R.I.P. Doctor, Cocteau, Water Ship Down, History of the World Part One, and Amistad. Benjamin Bratt was Alfredo Garcia. Traffic, Doctor Strange, The Woodsman. Bob Gunton was Chief Earl. Shouts to Bob Gunton as like the asshole guy who works in a prison or as a cop or whatever. He's great.

SPEAKER_06 36:58

Ace Ventura Pet Detective, too. And uh sorry, Nature Calls when Nature Calls.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

When Nature Calls. And this movie has so many good characters, so many roles are so well cast throughout this movie. I would agree with that. So many are. Glenn Shaddocks, uh R.I.P. Shawshank Redemption, Argo, and 61 with the little asterisk. Glenn Shaddocks, R.I.P. was assistant Bob. Beetlejuice. Not Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Oh, snow. You did it. He said it four times. Dr. Cocktail. What was the other one? We're not supposed to say three times. RFK Jr. RFK Jr. Sleepwalker.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

You can say Robert F. Kennedy.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

You can use the formal. That's fine. You can get away with that. Shit. Dennis Leary was friendly. The Sandlot, the ref, Ice Age, Bill Cobb's R.I.P. was the older version of Zachary Lamb. That thing you do, exclamation point, Silkwood, and the Cotton Club.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

You left off a very important character. A very famous actor. Who turned out he started got a start in as a very dramatic uh uh phone receptionist.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

Rob Schneider is the phone receptionist.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

I hate that I laugh at him in this movie. Because I can't funny. I can't find I can't think of another time I laugh at this person.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

I think uh Home Alone 2.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

Do I? Maybe I probably the gum like the tip thing that is funny, but that's not I mean that is him. I should give him credit for that. Yeah, there's two things. But I've seen a way too much fucking roster.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

But usually there's a lot more effort going into trying to make you laugh.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Well, luckily he's such a it's such a tiny little tidbit of Schneider in these two things we're talking about that I I can stand him. Yes, sure.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

Hey man Matt just looks at me with disdain. Can we have more fun, please? You brought this up. You did. You brought Rabbit Unit here.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

Can you read the fun facts? Fun facts, fun facts. It's fun facts time. It's not as good as what are we watching, but it's it's good. I didn't write that one. Well, there it there you have it.

SPEAKER_06 39:10

Chris Olds did it improvised it.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

He did a great job. The the music I laid under it is questionable.

"Cinephile" Round

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Oh, that's how that happened. Yeah, it's great. I like it a lot. Thanks. Yeah. Now you can just put it into chat GPT and think it's put a whole orchestra. Uh fearing an effect on box office returns, smartly. Werner Brothers did not screen this movie for critics and placed it on press embargo press placed it on press embargo until its release. There was a sign of the studio's lack of confidence in the movie. Sylvester Stallone has gone on record shortly after its release as being pleased with the movie, quote, a great action film, ahead of its time. That's probably how he said it. Fred Decker from Monster. That was a great Stallone. Thank you. Hey Adrian.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

Stallone agrees. This is very good, sir.

First & Current Experiences

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Uh Fred Decker from Monster Squad performed uncredited rewrites. Originally, the script began in the future with Spart uh with Spartan being brought out of suspended animation. Decker suggested the movie open with the prologue set in 1996 to showcase Spartan and Phoenix in their natural environment, saying, if you don't show Kansas, Oz isn't all that special. Wesley Snipes hated the blonde die job and shaved his head as soon as filming was complete. After this movie was released, Profess Professor Professor MBA player Professor Dr.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Dennis Rodman Dodge. Dr. Dodge and Dr. Rodman. Not a doctor.

SPEAKER_06 40:45

Famous North Korean ally and friend of the pod.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Friend of the pod, yes. Ghost dad. Not a sponsor. Dennis Rodman began dyeing his hair in different colors, a look that was inspired by Simon Phoenix. Jackie Chan was the first choice to play Simon Phoenix, but Chan declined. Snipes was then approached several times, including by Professor Produce Sorry, I don't have my glasses on. This is so hard. By producer.

SPEAKER_06 41:14

We're slowly moving it away from movies.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

This is all doctors love this movie and are behind this movie.

SPEAKER_06 41:19

We just keep pointing to different lines on the on the paper to see if you can read it. I can't. This episode is brought to you by glasses. Wear them.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

If you go to the doctor and they say you need to wear your glasses, it's advisable.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Consider it. Consider it.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

For driving at least. Don't tell me what to do, government.

SPEAKER_06 41:40

RFK Jr., RFK Jr. RFK Jr.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Hello, friends. Glasses are for the week.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Keep going. You can put beef tallow on your eyes and it fixes you.

SPEAKER_06 41:56

Inject protein straight into the eyeballs. Jackie Chan was the first to. Oh, I got it, I got it, I got it.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Okay, including uh so a producer uh uh went to his home and he eventually agreed. Lori Petty was originally cast as Huxley, but she and Stallone didn't get oh my god, along and she was replaced with Sandra Bullock two days into production. In different television and international cuts, the movie Taco Bell, the fucking Christ. In different television and international cuts of this movie, Taco Bell is digitally replaced with Pizza Hut. Both restaurants are Pepsi co brands, but one or the other is not available in different countries. Screenwriter Daniel Waters' inspiration of the three seashells came out of necessity. Spartan had to use the restroom and something had to be different. Waters, having trouble with conceptualizing this, called his buddy, fellow screenwriter Larry Karazuki, and asked him if he had any ideas. Coincidentally, Kalaruski was in the bathroom when he answered. He looked around and said, I have a bag of seashells on the toilet as decoration. Waters said, Okay, I'll make something out of that without explaining it at all in the film.

SPEAKER_04 43:09

I actually find that pretty funny, but also kind of gross because how long does Stallone have a poopy butt?

SPEAKER_03 43:15

How often is he poopy butting? I thought maybe he didn't go because there wasn't toilet paper. He came out, said you don't have any toilet paper, and that's why he then used naughty language.

SPEAKER_04 43:27

That's so much better.

SPEAKER_06 43:29

I feel like that's probably true, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Oh, I I'm so glad I hopefully misunderstood this because I just was just like, this man.

SPEAKER_06 43:38

Okay, so if you were to log line this movie, what would you think the log line of this movie would be without looking at that paper?

SPEAKER_03 43:46

My log line for this movie is uh what happens uh when Rocky is given a gun, is chirogenically frozen, and wakes up to fight Blade.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

It's a good picture.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Because we know it's not Rambo because Rambo doesn't exist or Rambo or the other log line would be what happens if Rambo takes place in idiocracy?

SPEAKER_06 44:14

They meant they say Rambo at some point. They do.

SPEAKER_04 44:16

Yeah, I need to borrow this, Rambo. Like Snipe says that as if Rambo must be played by Schwarzenegger in this universe. Someone else.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

I think there's just a a handful of uh trying to be very self uh yeah, like uh like too clever and making weird comments that are about real life outside of events that are feel unnecessary.

SPEAKER_06 44:41

Well, and like there's a Jackie Chan reference, there's a war's reference, there's a Schwarzenegger's, yeah, the the Lethal Weapon poster.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

I I I have a a heart for how this movie always wants to have something be a little bit different, but is nostalgic for the time it's from like you're it does try to put you in that stranger in a strange land thing. There's effort there, but like I don't know. I definitely do feel there are times when someone wrote this and then put on their glasses and was like, see that? No one's even gonna get some.

SPEAKER_06 45:14

See how smart that is? Glasses. Well, you gotta have your glasses. We need to take a break. We all need to find our glasses.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

Uh, I'm gonna read this without glasses. A police officer is brought out of suspended animation in prison to pursue an old, ultra-violent nemesis who is loose in a non-violent future society. I think it's good.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

The log line or the movie?

SPEAKER_04 45:39

I'm gonna leave you in suspense. The log line. Bum bum bum. Adjust your glasses, we'll be back. Bum. But yeah, you would have made a lot more money.

SPEAKER_06 45:56

You talk about weed gummies or edibles, and uh, I feel like cold brew is the same kind of delivery where depending on where you go, you don't know the power of their cold brew. Why are you? Because it seemed like Matt was gonna say something. You lean toward the mic. Oh, you need to lower that. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

It's gotta be yeah, it's gotta be like chin line. You're talking over the top. No, it's just that if you drink too much uh cold brew, you know, you might get a tummy ache or you might have a little too much. You might go blind and then you won't need your glasses if you have too many. If you have too black, if you have too many gummies. Well, this is why this was outlawed in the future. You gotta go sit outside and hold on to the grass for a while.

SPEAKER_06 46:36

Have you never had so much caffeine that you're like that you are anxious until like that your entire body is upset?

SPEAKER_03 46:44

I don't think my body responds to caffeine quite like that. I definitely have, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:48

I empathize with like and my anxiety will go to a point where I'm like, I don't, I'm not hungry, I'm not I'm not thirsty, I just need to sit here and like let this caffeine wear off.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

Yeah, and do something with focus, a fucking puzzle, a Lego set, like writing something.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

So it mostly just tries to get me to like poop zero. Like it just gets me to take me further than that.

SPEAKER_04 47:13

I can overdo it. It's like it's a regulated drug, yeah. And that's why it was outlawed in this fascist future in this movie we're talking about, Demolition Man. But you didn't see that coming, did you? Well, not without my glasses. Ben, we're gonna play a round of Cinephile. Matt, I'm sure you remember how this works. Sure do. Ben is gonna show you a card, it's gonna have a Ben is gonna show you a card, it's gonna have an actor, it's gonna have a movie that actor was in. You're gonna say the movie.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

One credit for bad language.

SPEAKER_04 47:42

You're gonna say the actor, you're gonna say the movie, then Ben's gonna say an actor, or then Ben's gonna say the movie, meaning you've done this. Great!

SPEAKER_06 47:52

It's Cinephile, folks. Cinephile time, Cinephile time.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

Merrill Street. Name the movie. You get the movie now.

SPEAKER_06 48:05

Sophie's choice. Okay. Uh Devil wears Prada.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

A cry in the dark. I'm not gonna be good at this. I'm just gonna guess Driving Miss Daisy.

SPEAKER_06 48:19

Uh wait, hold on. Let's go to the board. Is Driving Miss Daisy on the board?

SPEAKER_03 48:23

Ding, ding, ding.

SPEAKER_06 48:25

Who's in charge of the goddamn board? Steve Harvey.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

Well, Steve Harvey looks like.

SPEAKER_06 48:31

Well play, huh? Nice try. That was a pretty solid Steve Harvey.

unknown 48:38

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 48:38

You kind of look like a cheeseburger. Have you seen that thing that's just like a cheeseburger and it's it looks like Steve Harvey? It's Gone Derrata. Can you hey can you edit my giant onion?

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Yeah. The giant onion for the teeth. Can you voice over my answer so that Rachel doesn't get mad at me?

SPEAKER_06 48:57

No, please. Oh, in that case, we're leaving it in.

SPEAKER_05 49:00

Driving with Daisy is.

SPEAKER_06 49:02

Actually, can you just cut out cut it out and leave it and send it to Rachel?

SPEAKER_04 49:05

Can you believe that Driving Miss Daisy was nominated for Best Picture and Do the Right Thing wasn't? That's insane.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

It's so wild. That tells you how many white people were in the academy. In the academy.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

Shit. Wild. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 49:20

Greenwich one.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

Matt, what was your very first experience with Demolition Man?

SPEAKER_03 49:27

On Sunday night, I watched a half hour of it. Holy shit. Okay. And then I watched it from the beginning again yesterday afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Or no, no, no, sorry. Saturday and Sunday morning I watched the whole thing. Whoa. Okay. So I've never seen it. I had no I have no um nostalgic feelings towards this film. I do love post-apocalyptic sorts of uh be weary of the future that we could dystopian. Dystopian, Orwellian, yada yada.

SPEAKER_04 50:06

Super Mario Bros, Brazil. Yes. The Waterworld. The what have you.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

And and I tend to really like silly 80s sci-fi films as well. So this is a movie that conceptually I would be all about.

SPEAKER_06 50:25

Hmm. Okay. So you watched it and you decided out of five your rating is?

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Um I feel a little bit bad. But I'm going to say, as of now, my opinion of this movie is one and a half little girls yelling at a reporter, fuck you, lady.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

That is devastating. I am demolished. Fuck you, lady. The delivery's so good. And Matt, to the point of that, sh that little girl nails that. And when he says, good answer, like I'm like, fucking A man, if you just didn't have that Stallone line right after, shit.

SPEAKER_06 51:09

He's always got to have that last line.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

My initial I wrote this down after the first ten minutes of watching this movie. God bless a movie with a storyline that makes no sense and words you can't understand.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 51:26

God bless America.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Oh, wait, let me give you five on that, Matt.

SPEAKER_06 51:31

Oh yeah. If you missed it, they just mime to do a five like they do in the police station in the future. Uh is it my turn? And then Matt flipped me off. It is your turn. Um I saw this movie when I was a young child. Uh I don't remember if I if I rented it from the Blockbuster or if we watched it on like TNT or something. I think I I feel like I watched it in its completion without anything edited out. So I think it was a blockbuster rental, and my mom didn't care what we rented, so I'm sure she was like, What is this? R? I don't care. Um and I loved it as a kid. Like I especially loved, and this is probably like preteen Ben, I especially love Sandra Bullock and the sex, the quote unquote sex scene.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

And it's something Sandra Bullock is an eternal crush for me. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_06 52:21

Yeah. And but I loved and I I now so okay, I loved it. I probably would have given it like four, four and a half, and I I watched, and I have not watched it in a long time. Uh I actually asked Paul, I'm like, Well, how are you watching this? And he was like, I own it. I'm like, oh well, fuck. I I haven't I don't thanks a lot. But I but like I haven't I just haven't I haven't seen it and I've I've I've spoken highly about it as in terms of like something I enjoy because in my memory. Oh you're about to deliver some news here. Uh well I think the thing that I you you but you would this was a four or four and a half. It was, yeah. Uh and so I watched it last night, and um it is a very fun movie. Like it is a it is undoubtedly a fun movie. It is not a good movie, and it's not a well-written script. And I think that like at a certain point in the movie, they just kind of like it felt like they're like, and then yeah, they're just gonna rush and they fight, and they chase and they fight, and they chase and they fight, and they chase and they fight, and that's just kind of how the movie progresses until it ends. Um, so I still think it's a very fun movie, and I think that like at the end of the day, what else do I want? You know, I love I love watching something that is fun. Um, and like the futurist sort of like uh predictions are all very uh pre prescient and interesting, and like uh like oh yeah, look, they're talking on computers like Zoom or you know, like these things where you're like, oh yeah, they're self-driving cars. Um that's all interesting and fun, but like I I think at the end of the day, like give me T2 a thousand times over this movie uh in in the same kind of wheelhouse with with a little bit more grounded stakes, and I think the stakes in this just feel kind of cartoony, or not even cartoony. I feel like it's it feels like a kid's movie, but they just say fuck it a lot.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

I don't I don't fully understand what the stakes are. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 54:18

Yeah, and I don't really know what John Spartan changed how John Spartan changes or what needs to happen for him. Like it really is just a prolonged chase sequence.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Well, and at the end of the movie, they even say, like, we don't know what to do, and he's like, You meet somewhere in the middle, and like that's kind of the movie's message in terms of working it out and how the movie's working it out. I don't know, figure it out, and it's kind of like no, this is a movie actually. When did T2 the middle out? Yeah, when did T2 come out?

SPEAKER_06 54:46

91. Yeah, right. Two years before this. Um, so I'm going with a heart on it, and I'm giving it because of the nostalgia?

SPEAKER_03 54:55

Is that what heart means?

SPEAKER_06 54:56

Uh I think for me, the heart is like I I will still rewatch this regardless of what my rating is. Uh and I'll give it, and I had to, I'm giving it three seashells. Of course. I when I came, when I knew it was a three, I was like, I have to go with the seashells.

SPEAKER_04 55:11

What are they for? Why are you doing that? What are they for She doesn't know? He doesn't know what the seashells are for. You shithead cocksuck dick brain.

SPEAKER_06 55:22

You could use seashells to wipe your body.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

There's this theory.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

I'll be right back. There's a theory that the seashells are buttons for a bidet.

SPEAKER_06 55:29

Mmm.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

I like that. I would like to have a bidet in my home.

SPEAKER_06 55:33

I do have a bidet in my home. Excellent. I actually just got a camping bidet, a portable bet.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

Really cool flex.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

Whoa. Yeah. Because I'm going on I'm going on an eight-day backpack and I was like, I can't have a I can't have a nasty butthole.

Start The Movie (discussion)

SPEAKER_04 55:46

Whoa. Whoa. Apparently we have to debate whether or not John Spartan has one in this movie. Ben, we don't have to debate. Well, actually, we kind of see his, so we do know.

SPEAKER_03 55:59

What if when he's frozen? What if when he's frozen?

SPEAKER_06 56:01

No, that's before. What if dirty the frozen cube? There's just a little bit of poop.

SPEAKER_05 56:07

I just noticed the ball. You have no excuse. Right when he's being frozen, he's just like, Why does this thing just have fucking insane? We're talking about cartoon, cartoon genitalia. Just insane.

SPEAKER_06 56:19

I like they're like, imagine the Han Solo frozen scenes. He's buttass naked. And we see his dog.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

But he's still this reaching out thing like he's gonna save himself.

SPEAKER_05 56:32

But he's got this luscious cock. Just massive, massive yak ball.

SPEAKER_06 56:38

Joel Silver, get out of here.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

This is a good movie.

SPEAKER_06 56:46

Paul, you need to tell him so we can start talking about this movie.

SPEAKER_04 56:50

Okay, when I first saw this movie, when I first saw this movie, it must have been 95 or 96, and it was on VHS. My uncle Ramon and Aunt Carrie, my babysitters, were like, what? How old are you? Like four? You haven't seen Demolition, man? Sit down. And like watch Demolition. Now keep in mind, I was only but like 30 at the time.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Okay, so I was wondering if this was a real admission to your age or not.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

That was interesting. I watched this movie and was absolutely dazzled by it. Like, got me on this rush of so many different post-apocalyptic movies.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

As a four-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 57:34

Yeah. Wait, you said four-year-old?

SPEAKER_03 57:37

40-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 57:38

I was 40 years old at the time.

SPEAKER_06 57:40

Were you your 40-year-old virgin?

SPEAKER_04 57:42

That's none of your damn business. Still are. I'm a 47-year-old virgin who runs society. Kelly Clarkson. So I was dazzled by it though. And I ended up owning it on VHS, DVD, Blu-ray. Now I have it on Aero Video 4K. Look forward to our shelf help Aero Video 4K episode for this movie. We'll just leave it at that. But watch the movie in the 4K. I don't know how many times I've seen this movie. I can tell you for certain I've never watched it with a critical eye.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

Because you can't.

SPEAKER_06 58:22

Wait, does that include your most recent watch?

SPEAKER_05 58:24

I was gonna say, I finally watched it with a critical eye, and then it was just like balls, and I was like, okay, I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

But that but but it's but it I put my glasses on, I was like, those are balls.

unknown 58:41

Ow.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

I mean, ow! We think that there's nuclear weapons in Iran. No, those are balls. RFK, they're balls. Please stop.

SPEAKER_06 59:05

Maybe it's full of protein.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

Well, Dr. Dodge, you did it. I'm crying. I don't think I've ever cried recording an episode, so thanks for that.

SPEAKER_04 59:23

So to Ben's point, I will say, in terms of my critical eye thing, also just like AI assistance. I don't. I'm courageous. I'm human. It has AI therapists and free speeches under attack, and it has comments about fascism and STDs evolving, and the way that this guy kind of gains power, but so many things just happen in exposition dumps or like tiny moments of like one-liners or what have you.

SPEAKER_06 59:53

It doesn't, and it like what I found interesting too about the future talk is that so much of it doesn't actually add to the progress of the story. It's kind of like watching dressing.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:05

It's like a Netflix movie where someone's just repeating the context or saying the context in some way.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:11

But it's just like look at this thing. This is how we have sex. And it's like, but why though? Well, because people got STDs. Well, and then we had to cut because Cocteau tricked people. I guess I guess the thing is like to for me is I'm always about like what is it thematically that this world is doing that is going to change our character.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

I think it's so brief when it goes over how Cocteau came in and took control of everything after a big earthquake. And one of the things that he did was like wanted to control reproduction. But like my thing with that is how big is this? Is this is this control worldwide? Is it just this area? Why can't people leave this area? Something about leaving it at some point.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:56

I thought of I thought of running man. I get lost in while I watch this. Uh, but I also uh interesting enough, as someone who's working on that there's so much of this that's from the time machine because the the whole class structure of these like the rich people live up on the on the surface of the world and the poor people have to live down below. That's straight out of AC Wells.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

But there's a million there's that that's part of my problem with it is that there's a million other movies that came out before or books that came out before that have the same general idea. Yeah, and so watching this one and saying, Wow, look how real, like how look how right they got it. It's like that they had nothing to do with it. They didn't they didn't come up with the water.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:36

I need Paul to give his rating so we can start the movie because I I just need to.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

I can make arguments for other movies. I I get what you're saying. And I like that this movie is almost kind of predictive in not only the way that movies are gonna kind of go, but I wish we had that foam thing that happens like in a car crash. That was one thing that you suffocate. But I think you would die. It would fill your lungs. I think you would die. I think you wouldn't die from impact.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:07

Now it's probably way worse. The insurance clone's way worse. They gotta push paper. You have a chance to survive the impact. But not this. Not if a not if foam fills your lungs and then hardens.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

But then if you can power punch out, then you're okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:22

Falcon punch? Falcon punch! I do like some of the things that the movie's predictive of too, though, like the um the mini commercials, just like the jingles, how nobody has an attention span for much of anything. So I'm going to give it four. You know that dumb little hat he wears? The beret? Yeah. Uh I'm gonna give it four. So so Van Damme wears it in a movie. Van Dam wears different. I think Bruce Willis ends up wearing it in G.I. Joe, Andrew the Rock. But I'm gonna give it four dumb little hats and a heart. I walk away wondering what this would be if it were Paul Verhoven directing someone with an equally as big or bigger ego than Stallone.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:11

I think for me, it's just like the script needs just needs to have more to it. It feels just like it is just like aspiring to something. Yeah, I think we should start the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:22

I think Verhoven would I I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:24

I think Verhoeven is an interesting choice, but I think that like at the end of the day, for me, it's not necessarily the direction, it's the script is just feels underbaked. There's just there's a really cool idea, and I think you just need to develop the Spartan character more, and then figure out like, okay, now we need to know what needs what does he need. Because I don't know what he needs.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:44

There's no version of a hero's journey.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:46

There's no like there's no version of what he needs. He's just kind of Mr. Bean through this.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:52

He's a t he's a tool, he's a government or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:56

For sure, but for a main character, that's that like that's why T2 is so interesting, right? Because we get we get this character who has conflict within themselves, and like they start to feel and like all these things that you're like contemplating and the two characters side by side. But in this, I'm like, what exactly do each of them? I mean, I get like I think Sandra Bullock actually has the most interesting character arc of all of them because she like she becomes aware of like she was in love with the 20th nostalgic the 90s, uh, and and like she starts to see through the matrix basically and see this is all bullshit. And they all start to slowly do that, right? And that's sort of what he does, but he doesn't do it out of any need or any want or desire, he just does it because he's there.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:42

It's all kind of scattered, and it's to the point where you're talking about the writing where someone who wasn't as directly involved in the writing process was like, we have to have this cold open happen, yeah, so we understand where we are. The fact that someone from outside had to do that, and what I'm trying to say is that Paul Verhoven would be a director that is rewriting as he's directing and could, and also if it were, and I'm gonna say I try not to recast what when we do this. Like, I don't want to recast almost anybody. I love the Snipe's performance.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

I think he's great. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:21

Stallone is the performance that's not really working for me. So much of it feels like his vanity.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:30

I mean, it feels like his his he want he thought this would be his terminator. And is the opening of this movie? Is it like the same opening as Running Man? It feels like it's like starts in that helicopter.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:41

Uh it's similar. It's similar. There's a very similar he doesn't go to the ground. Richards doesn't. They get him in the helicopter.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

He doesn't jump out of a helicopter with a bungee cord and then land on the ground somehow. He doesn't pull a dark man.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:56

Also, I like the fact that he's called Demolition Man because he just blows up everything. Building it goes into, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:01

Well, and not like that so stupid. There is some there are there are some.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:05

You gotta stop these robbers in this bank. Did you stop the robbers? Yeah, but I'll blew everything up.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

Also, gasoline. You see this gasoline, right? That's the the movie does that. I kind of like the editing, and I kind of like the movie stylistically. This is part of like the editing's wild. Why that's I feel especially when Phoenix is kinetic and wild. I feel like especially when Phoenix is in play.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:27

And I think that's purposeful.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:29

I agree. It's just it's it's kind of like it's kind of like over-the-top wild editing.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:35

A little. The movie's also it feels way longer than the two hours. The second act is bloated. I I admitted after watching this, like I could go up or down easily.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

I will say that I will say this. I thought that we rushed to through the third act. Like by the time we go by the time we got to the third act, I was like, wait a minute. It's almost like I checked the time frame. I was like, it's only 20 minutes left. There's still yeah, there's nothing's been resolved. We're just going and the set piece is long. Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing. It's just one long chase at the end. It's just a chase and a fight, a chase and a fight, a chase and a fight.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

Well, the the prison sequence, the cryo prison sequence is very massive.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:17

So well, I was gonna say the premise of a movie like this is you have to dispend disbelief, right? Like you have like it's it's a fake, it's a made-up premise.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:26

Well, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. What?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

Such a way I song.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:32

Fire make you look like Dark Man.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

Go on.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:37

I'm sorry, I so rudely interrupted you. No, I was just trying to.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

Now do we need to talk to you about that?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:41

Or was that with Oh, I had to say at the six-minute mark, they said the title. They're like, what are you some kind of demolition man? And I pulled the Leo meme.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

I went to the case. So so you're supposed to do that, right? In a movie like this. You have to accept things that like this is absurd. Yeah. But there are also things they could have like done to make it make any sort of sense. So the reason that he got the reason that he got frozen was because he didn't. Later in the movie, he says the bodies were already dead when he got there. During an action sequence.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:20

They would have one line. They would have known. Because they body scanned, they heat scanned the building.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:25

Uh-huh. But so the bodies were dead.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

He goes into the building. Yeah. The building blows up.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

He goes to jail for life or gets frozen because someone else killed a bunch of people.

unknown 1:08:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

It doesn't make sense. But but you would know that those bodies hadn't.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:43

So are you Yeah, you would know. Are you saying you're surprised that the court system failed?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

Sylvester Stallone's white. And he's a cop. And he's a cop, so he should have got off scot-free.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:54

I bet are you a club? Are you a cop? I'm not a cop. I bet you are a fucking club. I'm not a cop. I think he's a club.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:02

You lace curtain you have a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:04

The guy's name at the police station is named William Smithers.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:08

No shit. Did you catch that? Oh, Warden William Smithers, Spewell. Oh, dude, you honk the honk and you tonk the tonk. You really paid attention. No, Spark.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:17

Also, also, also. No, please. Jeffrey Dahmer. We're gonna get there, but like why? Jeffrey Dahmer died in 1994. A year after the movie came out. But it's set in 1996. Well, they knew he'd be dead at some point.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

He was killed in prison by the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:39

Jeffrey Dahmer wouldn't have been part of it. It's just stupid.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:42

Okay, well, let's if that's the if that's the issue you have. I did think that's so many issues.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:48

That's very minutiae.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:50

That's so minutia, though. But that's what you could have done it with so many things. They could have kept it have some version of the. This movie came out in 93, though. I think they were just trying.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:00

But they were just they don't know he's dead. But he died in 94, I think. He was killed in prison, I think. So 94 or 5.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:06

He was still alive when this movie was when the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

But also, I I think they just say Dahmer because they knew the audience, like it was like low-hanging fruit. It's rolling fruit. Yeah, I saw the frozen stallone. I saw it. But Dahmer was like a dude who would like hang out in an apartment. Like, that's not like he's not like Simon Phoenix. He's totally different. He does the same a similar thing, but differently.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:33

If you released him into the world, he'd just kind of be like, all right, and go sit in an apartment and kill some other gay dudes.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

Yeah, he'd be like, uh no, thank you. Yeah. And he'd have a lot of trouble because they don't touch each other.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:45

Like, nobody touches anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:47

When they freeze him, the the ice tube is so phallic.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

Freeze people though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:53

It's like this giant phallic dildo.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:57

And they just like yeah, they it's okay to Yeah, it's a giant silver dong. It is a silver bullet and a half. And the mountains are blue, and it's for you. Like the whole thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:07

And the the effect is uh not good.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

The freeze. Do you think the blue dot is has aged?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:13

Do you think that when Schwarzenegger saw this is when he decided to play Mr. Freeze? Because he was like, I'm taking back fruit, I want to do ice. I have the biggest fruit. Stallone doesn't get ice, I get ice.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

Probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

That's cold of you to bring that up, even. You think they were that icy with each other? Maybe. I mean, it's I love the little beef that they had and like mentioning each other in their movies and like in twins and in this and that.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:39

Like, did you see that the plaza that uh that we get to in the future when we fast forward is called Ethical Plaza?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:46

Yeah, it's so lame.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:49

Dude, I I do like when Sandra Bullock is saying to the warden, though, she's like, Don't you think, and the warden's like, I try not to, however, you're young, think all you want, have a peachy day. Like, I like that there's a level of I think the movie does a good job of being like, This is kind of dumb.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:10

Enjoy.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:11

You know, it's funny is because everyone in the future, because they've and this is again is taken taken straight out of wells, is everyone's kind of dumb. Like idiocracy does this too, but like the reason is because they've they've they've taken work away from the humans and they've in this they've given to AI, or they have workers who live underground. That's straight out of wells, and their brains shrink and their body shrink, and they don't have any cap they're not capable. Like, that's why that that that yeah, I think and everyone wears kimonos for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

Kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:41

They all look like Scott from Best in Show.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:43

It's like but I love that they're like the police are like really dumb.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:50

And when Rob Schneider, you don't get us even a grin out of when he's like, if you'd like an automated response, press one. Like you're smiling when I do it at least. Yeah, but your timing's better.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:03

And why do they call it a murder-death kill?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:05

That's what a 187 is in police code, in the code book. Is murder, death, kill? 187 means murder, death, kill. Yeah, that's what the code translates to.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:16

The Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

It's police code. If that if you're to go over your walkie and say there's a 187 in the centre. Someone was murdered, or someone was murdered, or there was a death, someone was killed. Why wouldn't they say there's a death?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:31

Because they haven't just they haven't determined what has occurred. Correct.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:34

They're just on the scene, and this is what the scene is looking like in the moment. The movie does like an okay job at times, I think, of using some of this lingo, but it doesn't do a good job of like explaining it. Like it flexes all this shit at you, and then you're just like, what am I supposed to do with this?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:54

And some of it's made up and some of it's based on actual things. Right. And you have no idea. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:59

It really actually, the more we talk about it, this really is like a worse version of idiocracy. Like, because idiocracy really does like throw you into the same kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:09

Yeah, and instead of oh my balls, there's look, my balls.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

But this the sets in this movie, the costumes for the most part, the effect, like the movie, do you know how the sets are very high budget?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:21

Did you know most of the sets were like most of it was shot at the San Diego convention center? Like almost all of the futuristic things.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:28

Oh no, they I think they did a good job with it, actually.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:30

And then the LA convention center as well. And then the uh I think it's the police station, it was shot outside the Guggenheim in New York, which is like the it's like the weird-looking building. Weird. Yeah. I I know they I think the selection of of sets and and and where they shot was smart. It's really looks really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:47

It's weird how some of the special effects are great. Like the open the initial explosion is pretty incredible.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:55

For a movie called Demolition Man, I would hope so.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But some of the other special effects are like rash.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:01

Outside of anything else, when he's frozen, the little nodes they put on him before he's frozen are in different places every time it comes.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:08

You have to remember, like, again, and we've done movies around this time frame. It's like this is the this is like the pioneering of CGI at times, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:16

Yeah, and like you they're just kind of throwing spaghetti at the wall and going, Well, we can do lightning, and you're like, Oh, okay, let's put that in the it'll look really like it'll look good, and like, yeah, it looks good, but at this point, it's like it's not impressive. It looks better than lightning and Ghostbusters, but but if you consider that T2 came out like before this, yeah, that's a lot of my point with the story.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:39

If it was came out in 85, it would have a little more runway, yeah. But it's 93. Yeah, it feels so late for being like it feels like a kid's movie that it just has a lot of fucks in it.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:50

That's what I like. If you were to take all the fucks out of this movie and the sex, and you put like this feels like a movie made for kids, and not to say that's a bad thing, like Batman and Robin or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

No, I don't I guess there is you guys make good points where I was talking about this with like the Elliott Goldenthal score, which I think he did Batman Forever, but like there's a level of like shoemacheriness that happens in this that I think is like starting because it's like, man, I wish I was saying like I wish James Glickenhouse directed this and be like, who the fuck is that? And he directed a Jackie Chan movie and a Chris Walken, but like hardcore action movies, and I want this to be more like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:27

See, and that's the other direction this could go. Yeah, if if it just pushed it harder and and gave in, I think made the character of John Spartan a little bit more of an asshole, or a little bit more of someone who needs to like solve something about themselves. Well, because I don't know what the dude needs to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:42

I think that Cocteau is so dislikable and Phoenix is so dislikable, and Spartan and friendly are kind of like not super likable. Like you were saying, Ben, like I kind of am more on like the bullock journey where it's like, oh, she feels like she's kind of like a rat trapped in a maze, and like, you know, she's able to finally get out. But the main threat that like Cocteau sees is like all these like perfect society, rich people keep them docile and happy thing is like graffiti makes people feel unsafe. It's like a weird version of eugenics, too. Oh, yeah, that too.

Meet Me Halfway (through the movie)

SPEAKER_06 1:17:14

Yeah. 100%. I mean, I love that when they're when when uh Phoenix breaks out and he's like just killing people, and the cops are watching on the eyeball. They're watching on the security camera and they're he's killing the warden and they're just watching, they're just everyone's just watching.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:32

It's like nobody's doing anything, everybody's been like neutered. Yeah, it's it's crazy how quick that happens. Where it's I wonder if that like uh S T D S T I thing they went through was like our COVID, where everybody was like shut off for a couple years and like and everybody just kind of like devolved to it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:51

But it's only like 40-ish years. But see, like what you're but what yeah, it's 40-ish years, and also you're giving you're you're doing a lot of heavy lifting.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:59

I no, I'm just saying, like, what what are they trying to posit with the movie? I'm not saying they're they're successful.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:04

No, no, no, I know, but I think that like that's that's just the movie isn't doing an it's not giving me enough. It's I it's one of those things where it's like I don't need the Metaclorine effect, right? Like, don't explain everything to me, don't tell me exactly how everything is happening. But I just need it to like be part of something.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:22

So just that you actually thought it through.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:24

Yeah, other than just being like a tour of the future with Stallone also fighting people, which is what the movie is. Is like, look and look at this. And now there's a Taco Bell, and you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:36

There are never stakes in the movie. When Phoenix breaks out, it's like I don't want people to be constantly killing people. It's like when I watch a Stallone movie, it's like cliffhanger, like people die and it affects people. In this movie, hundreds of people die, I'm pretty sure. And it's like not a big deal. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:52

I when Phoenix is killing people, I'm like, go for it, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:55

And it's like teddy bear. It kind of fun. It's fun to watch because it's it's a person fighting cardboard cutouts.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:03

Yeah, they're fighting like tokens, yeah, like just standees from the video store. And it's cool to watch snipes like do the thing, the music's playful, the sound is great on the 4K.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:14

I loved him getting the guns from the museum, and like you know, it's really fun. Yeah, although, like, I I also ask from a physics point of view, if you're kicking this thing as hard as you can, absolutely, but how much do you weigh? Yeah, and like how much force do you have to throw this body? Like, you have to be one of the strongest humans in the world to throw that body at a force that's gonna break the glass that's doing from kicking. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:38

Well, and what at what point are people gonna start listening to Spartan? The only person who kind of listens to him, I guess, is like Sandra Bullock, because he he's saying the right thing like all the time, because I feel like that's part of the Stallone influence, is like his instincts are like perfectly call it a cop thing. Phoenix is going for a gun, believe me, plain and simple. And we get the the references that are constantly happening where where Snipes is talking about, come on, Hal, where the goddamn guns and what did they say Well, it's funny that they call him Hal a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:08

Yeah, the AI. Yeah, but don't don't isn't there uh their computer says that he's gonna try to start a business?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:14

Yeah. He's gonna set up a drug business. Yeah. I mean that's the AI prediction.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:21

AIs are wrong all the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

Look great today. Like it does some funny shit at times that's like mildly effective.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:28

The line that I did like is because when he goes to like that ATM that gives you like that boosts your confidence or whatever that thing is. Yeah, and like has maps and shit in it and whatever. Uh and then he starts like kicking the shit out of people. Yeah, I think it's Rob Schneider is watching them getting the shit kicked out of him, and he goes, We're police officers, we're not trained to handle this kind of violence.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:47

That's kind of it's kind of you're laughing, Matt. It is kind of funny. And I was like, you know, sometimes it's kind of funny. The editing house.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:53

You know who else isn't trained?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:55

Ice. No, oh no shit. That's a good point. Yeah, that's 100% correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:00

And I have now reconsidered my score.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:03

No, it's a thing where the the editing Stuart Baird, who edited this movie, it was a known Warner Brothers, I think, like stable editor, like somebody that was employed by them that came in to like make movies work. And the movie has so much style going for it, but as we keep hitting, it doesn't have a lot of substance.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:23

I bet I bet you what they had was absolute nothing like to start with. I bet I bet you when they were like, we need you to make this into something, I'm sure it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

Well, there's a lot of of of uh new writers that can't had to come in. Right, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:41

Uncredited people. Uh I look one of the one what one of my almost uh uh uh ratings was insecure heterosexual males. Because when they're talking to each other and like calling each other, when you're like, hey, like why are they being mean to each other? It's like, no, I believe this is what insecure heterosexual males did in the 90s.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:59

And there is funny stuff like that. Yeah, but it's also not really that funny when over and like the stuff that's supposed to be really funny doesn't really hit. I don't think that Sandra Bullock's over and over and over again saying the wrong phrase, let's go blow these guys away. Like one time is kind of funny, and then it just won't stop, and it's just not clever.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:20

Especially since they don't ever really introduce uh Silone saying those things. Right. It's not like he she's like echoing him because I don't hear him say those things before.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:31

So he corrects her and then stops correcting her, but the movie does a thing where it does the rule of threes to the point where it's almost like tiresome or like predictable at times. I think I get what you're saying, Matt, where it's like there's a level of it like hitting uh it hits a joke a third time than in a lot of movies is satisfying.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:49

And in this movie, for me, it's but it also it also does, it also I think what they're doing is that she's like an expert in the 90s, right? She's like she's obsessed with it, and so she's trying to say these common phrases because she's an expert and she's heard them in her studies or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:03

But it's like Edwin Wilson being the smartest person on the planet.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:06

Yeah, or uh Luke Wilson. Like it's just not it's not but you know what I mean. But I think I also might be. I see what they're trying Wow, uh I see what they're trying to do, but but it it doesn't really hit when you consider like like Schwarzenegger doing in in T2, like Asta La Vista or I'll Be Back. He's like echoing shit. He's repeating right, he's repeating shit, like there's a purpose to it. This doesn't it's muddy, and that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:32

There are things that are funny, there are lines that are funny, but those things that are like this is gonna be like this is gonna be iconic, funny, hilarious, like they're not really very funny or clever.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:43

This movie doesn't like get tone, it doesn't juggle the tones well.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:48

And Ben, you make the only person that does is Wesley Snipes. He's so one that knows what this movie is.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:54

And I think it's characters that didn't want to do it. No, I think everybody except Stallone, and the the ride you're on is with Stallone, and that's the thing that and I think the movie plays maybe to this guy had so much power in Hollywood still in the early 90s, and then you hit a point with Sandra Bullock where this person is such an expert, it's like Batman Forever, where it's like this is Dr. Chase Meridian, and Batman's like, Who's this fucking idiot? So, what was I saying? And you're like, No, that doesn't why like I want I'm more on the ride with this person, and I like the idea when we actually see her get to fight, yeah, it's pretty satisfying, and then they take her out of the movie, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:33

Yeah, and she gets sidelined, and her character doesn't really have much to it other than being a tour guide and wanting to fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:42

Yeah, the fact that he is an alpha male like turns her on because it's something that she's not she's obsessed with and doesn't experience which I love, but it's like you gotta give her more to do, man. Like I don't disagree.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:54

The end of the especially in this third act where it's just like we don't know what they're what's gonna happen. Let's just put them in a chase and then they fight. I don't know. That's kind of how it ends. It ends like a Fast and the Furious movie, but one of the last ones. Do you know what I mean? Where you're just like, I don't know, they're they're throwing cars at each other, they're they're they're freezing each other. I don't know. If they go to space, I think. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:15

That if they haven't, they're going to be able to do it. No, they've gone to space. When Dr. Cocteau gets d introduced in the second act, it is one of those things that you're like, dude, I'm already wrapped up in the Simon Phoenix of all of this, and the movie bogs itself down.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:33

Well, the mystery is not mysterious. Like the second that he's out, Phoenix is out, and then you he like he's like you can tell he's he can tell he's like being programmed to do something, and the second they show Cocteau, you're like, Oh, this is the bad guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:46

Yeah. But he's also not big enough. Like he's not this like grand.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:51

No, but he's just they could have they could have easily I mean not easily, but they could have tried to bury the mystery a little bit, you know, like make it more of a noir, make the but they didn't. They they they chose to just be like, I don't know, we you we're not gonna leave him in suspense. That's the bad guy. We're gonna do it in the second scene that he's in.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

And the then the bad the the bad people that you think are like you're supposed to think the people underground are bad. Wrong, right, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:17

But you're kind of but his last name is friendly.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:18

And it well that that's that's the the the twist. Oh but you don't you it takes you a second to be like, oh, there's those are actually the the good. Like it's set up like oh these are the rebels, but you're not supposed to know you don't know if you're supposed to like them or not. And it takes you a second to be like, oh no, those are the rebels.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

Running man does the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:37

The this movie's really heavy with it, and I think I think it's heavy with it from the Sallone part of it after they go to Taco Bell, where he does this very quote unquote heroic thing and stops friendly and everybody from getting f food. And that's their main thing, is they're like, we don't follow Cocteau's rules. Like Dennis Leary goes on a rant about it at a point in the movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:57

Dennis Leary playing himself, basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:00

You know what he said about the movie?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:02

I would like to know. Do you remember Dennis Leary's ass the I'm an asshole song he had?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:07

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:08

I'm an asshole.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:10

Does anybody remember Bill Hicks? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:13

I want to hear what when asked what he thinks about the movie, he said it is a pile of shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:19

Oh wow. This is good to know. I this is very good to know.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:24

I wonder if he says that about all of his movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:26

Probably. Just across the board.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:31

The ref was on the ball.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:32

Not just mine, all the refugees are bad. Amazing Spider-Man, it's a pile of shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:35

It's a pile of shit. Uh when they go over how Stallone gets the individual tracking, how so many people, when they get thought out, if they don't already have it, they have a chip that does everything like for them and tracks everything they do. And the everything about this gets thrown away. Oh, it's it never goes back to it.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:56

No, they never come back to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:58

Not really, no. Like he he It i his hand itches because of it at a point and they're like, Yeah, you didn't think we would W Of course we were gonna loadjack.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

It never comes back around to I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:09

No the I the idea is interesting and it never goes into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:14

I think I think that is the entire movie in a nutshell. The idea is interesting and it has like a lot of interesting like concepts and ideas and world building. The world give it credit for the world building. Like the world building is fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:25

But they have to bring out of a frozen serial killer sociopath to just teach them that if they go into the the underground, that's where the bad people are.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:37

And but why do they ultimately have to be there? That's what I mean. Like, why can't they leave San Andreas or San Angeles? Shows you what I know.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:45

I have a lot of I mean they don't yeah. I and I I would say I understand that's a privileged statement in a lot of ways, but we have done this in a I've done this in a few things movies that we've watched where I've said like I actually think this would make a decent series if it was remade. Yeah. And this is one where I think you could remake this in a series and do something interesting with it for like a like an eight episode block, but caveat, you still gotta have snipes in there, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:13

But you'd have to rethink, you'd have to take the very basic concept and rethink like you'd have to make it a very like serious.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:21

You would rethink you would rethink the future, you would re- like a lot of the similar ideas of like this fascist dictatorship taking over are are sort of like baked into dystopians. Makes me want to puke. Yeah, I mean that would never happen. Uh but I think that like the core of like there is a serial killer from the past who is unfrozen and loose, and then they bring the detective back to who like that's an interesting concept that you can revisit.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:47

Yeah. Uh but yeah. This is why I was saying earlier this should have they made should have made this a sequel to Cobra to a degree that's like a fleshed out character, it's like a rip-off of Dirty Harry. But it's like, yeah, like make that decision. Make this guy like to a degree, likeable or unlikable.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:08

He's make him something.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:09

Uh he's just way too milk toasted.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:12

He doesn't feel like a copper, he doesn't feel like a detective, he doesn't feel like he just feels like he has a beef with this guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:19

If everything about it all it seems like when they're in the museum, it's actually rat. When they're on the ride over and he's just like, somebody put me back in the fridge. Like, I'm feeling that way about this movie conversation to a degree where I'm like, dude, I feel like I really want to fight for this movie, but I Ben, I feel like you're definitely more on Matt's side where it's like, no man, this movie's like not very good.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:42

Well, I think here's the thing it's like it again, it's fun, it's a fun ride. And I think and and that's why I think it has staying power, is for so many people, uh, all they want is a fun ride, you know. I mean, like it it it another person that could have made an interesting uh vision with this movie is John Carpenter. Like Agreed. Like there's an interest like there's that version of this story that could, but I feel like it kind of goes down the middle line. It's the whole movie's kind of milk toast, it's an interesting concept, but it it doesn't go anywhere. And the fight sequences are not that great.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:14

They're okay. Snipe I think Snipes pulls out. He has a really cool physicality about the performance. I like the character, I like the performance.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:23

But a fun ride, I'd be I don't want to alienate your listeners. Some people like to just listen to hoopastank. You know? Like, because it makes you feel good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's terrible. It is the reason is you. Is it objectively terrible or is it some people like everyone has different things that they like. Some people want to watch a movie that is a like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:52

Like this is a perfectly fine movie that you turn on your hotel room on TBS and it's halfway through, and you're like, sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:58

And then part way through you realize that there's other channels.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:01

Yeah, and then you're like, oh, there's diners, drive-ins and dives. I'm gonna go to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:05

It loses me after a little bit because Spartan does just like things that don't necessarily work for me, like as a cop in general. It's like he's going on luck at some point. At a point, he like drops a weapon when he's being attacked. That's why I called him Mr. Bean. What's this guy doing?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:23

He's Mr. Beanie.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:24

Yeah, I get that. I get that fully now that we've been talking. It it's like when they're talking about fucking and he's like, you know, the horizontal mambo, the hunk of chunker. And I'm like, what the fuck is the hunk a chunk? Why did we keep that?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:36

That part gets it's You've never you've never hunkached?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:42

I cannot afford it. I cannot afford it, or something has happened to me that I'm not aware of, or I've I I've done something I'm not aware of.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:47

Sounds like a bar of chocolate.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:49

I'm not cool. It does. Like it's like can I get a hunkachonka? Like, is that what never mind? Character. Yeah, yeah, it does it's dumb. I it has the interesting ideas where he's like, uh all I gotta all I want to do is knit. And it's like, oh, the idea that everybody has this thing back. When they're being rehabilitated, she didn't even. I thought maybe she'd wear it at some point.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:12

I thought that maybe when he was fighting Phoenix, like I in my, I was like, oh, maybe he has to like knit something really quickly. Wait, say over there, I have to knit myself a sword. Or like the or like or like me.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:24

Stallone's wild. It's really bad.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:27

It was it sounded kind of like you had a stroke.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:33

It was like Jurgen Prock now doing Dolph Lundgren, and I know how specific that is.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:40

But like if he had at the very end in the fight, if there were like wires that he had to like put together, he's like, it's just like the same thing as me. Like something for that to make sense. Why is it in the movie?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:52

I feel bad that I tried to kiss you or grab you and shit. Here's a sweater, and she's like, it's all good, and that was the end of it. Why yeah, why is that in the movie? The idea that like people that have been in the prison system need to have something they're obsessed with to not do do bad things is what you're talking about, is Ben Me conflating, like, oh, I know why the movie's doing that, but the movie never goes over it, and it's just uses a tactic to be like, sorry, and it's blame as fuck.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:19

It's just easy, it's easy writing, I guess. You're just like uh I'm just gonna create a bunch of things and never.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:25

I guess that's the juxtaposition with Wesley's wipes. Wesley's Wesley wipes getting excited. Wesley's wipes. You know, who wasn't wiping?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:34

Is that what was coming out of the machine? That's why it works so well for Stallone. Fuck shit, bitch. My ass is real poopy shitty.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:42

You gotta get you gotta get on your glasses so you can get your Wesley's wipes.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:46

But he get he learns kung fu and he learns all this stuff. Right. And then all Stallone got was this and turned him into a girly man or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:57

And and Stallone sees the footage from the fight or the interaction with Cocteau and Snipes, and it's just footage from the movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:09

Yeah. He's just demolition man the movie. I I did like the line when we're talking about uh uh Sandra Bullock. I did like the line, you really licked his ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:19

That was really but is but if they had just done that and then that was it. There were but they just kept doing it over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:27

Also, in the final fight sequence, when he's when Stallone is like being held by the claw the claw and he's like being sort of boom and and and Phoenix is literally shooting at him with an Uzi from like five feet away.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:42

And he's like boom, boom, boom, he's living on luck through this whole movie. Like he should have died a million times when he goes underground and not only gets a rat burger for a Rolex, which it's like, is that department that stylish? That standard issue? They how did he get a fucking Rolex? But also, what good does it do them? Like he yeah, he barters like but they can't go to the surface. Is there an underground way to sell this Rolex and it introduces there's a car with an engine because we need a cool car?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:14

Did they introduce that car before he was driving it?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:16

He fit yes, yeah. He needs to he finish that rat burger. He has to finish that rat burger.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:22

I have to say, I kind of want to.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:23

How it doesn't kill him, I don't know. But Jack Black, did anyone notice he's an extra in this? Matt's delightfully nodding. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:30

He knocks the is it his gun? He knocks something out of his hand.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:34

Yeah, under he's one of the underground, like palmster friendly.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:37

Did you did you think when you saw the rat burger, did you think of Ron Swanson's burger when they have the the burger off?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:44

You really ruined that for me just now.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:46

No, but Ron Swanson's burger is like the best. It's just a patty and two and a bun, and they all think ketchup if you want. Yeah, catch up if you want.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:52

If you're a if you're a sister, he's like, This is delicious.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:55

I want this.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:56

Either way, I just I am desperate to know how far is the reach of San Angeles and what is the level of of them being able to keep people from getting out of there. It feels like Escape from I want Kurt Russell in the John Carpenter version of the I'd rather watch Escape from New York and Phoenix's guys all show up, and that's the thing is Phoenix is always gonna think of a way to outthink Cocteau. It seems like Cocteau has the upper hand because Phoenix can't kill him.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:26

But you're right though, like the world is so small. Why is how do how in this in this place they they he just randomly shows up and sees both friendly and like the the world is so small, like the entire I wonder if the like the you know how the super bros set was just like one I was wondering if they use pieces of that in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:49

Yeah. So it's some someone references What if I left or something like that at some point, and then uh Phoenix is talking about how they could run the whole West Coast. Yeah, give me these cities. He asked for cities from Kato. Outside of that, that's I mean, that's that's the only clues that we have. That's his goal is to start taking over areas of that's why he brings everyone out, but why does Kato agree? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:19

Because Phoenix says, I need more mad dog killer types to take out Spartan. If you want Spartan gone, I need help.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:24

But if Kato's supposed to be this all-knowing, brilliant, like god of a person who's gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:29

Why didn't he program these guys that he brought out to not kill him too? Right. Because it just happens like that, too. It's just it's just he's like, I didn't think of that.

Final Ratings

SPEAKER_04 1:38:37

It has to be like Phoenix is the brilliant criminal mind where he was programmed to outthink his creator or whatever. Like the movie does too much in terms of like the I think I've called it the doing too much countdown, where like so much is happening and nothing.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:52

Especially in the third act.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:53

It's dude, it's a screen. It goes flying toward this, like that car that fucking Stallone crashes after the thing is explained. Ray's like, hey, I killed all the hostages, and it happens during a fight while a car is speeding, yeah, and it's like an ADR thing, so much is thrown away. Like Snipes is thrown out of the car, and Stallone is like, you Mickey Mouse piece of shit, which I like the line, and I like the idea of the foam, but as you guys were saying, like, you're dead. Like that foam is going to kill you. Yeah, you're gonna drown in foam. You're going to suffocate immediately.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:26

Like that, I was like, Oh, that's an interesting idea. Why haven't I thought about it? Oh, that's why. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:30

The idea is great. Oh, because it's not executable.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:32

Well, if you if you don't open your mouth when you're getting into a car crash, it won't go in your mouth.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:37

Remember, kids, if the car crashes, close your mouth.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:41

If it shoots a big demolition man cylinder down your throat to hold your throat open and then surrounds you with foam. Oh. Right? If it shoots foam at you from the big demolition.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:52

In the concept of cryogenic freezing, how do you not drop how do you not how do you not freeze your lung like?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:58

Did they time it?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:59

I have so many like. He's about to die. Wasn't there a countdown? But if you take an inhale of breath in the water, Matt's like, please. Like right when you're being frozen.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:08

Like, how do you I don't know. People's ability to hold their breath is different.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:12

How did they know when to freeze him? Do your eyes freeze? Everything freezes. No, he saw, he says that he saw his wife banging on the Yeah, he could see everything. He experienced he's awake. That's a hell. That's what he says. That's hell. That's the only thing interesting is that that he talked that he goes into that dark place as a character for a minute.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:33

I think like the um like we've done minority report on this sh or this podcast, whatever the fuck this is. Program. Uh, and that's a better, like, just that that to me gets it. Yeah, that's a better, you know, version of like of that, right? Where you're taking all these bodies and putting them in stasis.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:50

Well, and it's like uh Spartan's wife and daughter mentioned, and it's like your wife's dead, your daughter, we're gonna mention her at points, and we're not gonna figure anything out.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:58

She says I don't want to go see her, or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:00

Yeah, but it it's a thread that never feels like it's wrapped. This movie feels like it's full of oh, I'm on your side, don't stop me. It's full of threads that don't wrap up, like they don't tie up loose ends. Like friendly lives up to his name though, and is like, I'm gonna help you, Spartan, because Cocteau's the worst, and you're the alpha. Imagine if he wasn't friendly. How weird would that be?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:24

That'd be so clever.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:25

I want to run naked in the streets covered in green jello and nacho cheese. I want to eat my own butt and whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:31

He just goes, Oh, his grant is so crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:34

Terrible. Is it supposed to be like motivational?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:38

I guess like at least he's living free. And it's like everything about what you're saying sounds awful.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:44

Also, Alfredo Garcia turns to the rebels. Off camera? Yeah. All of a sudden you're Pancho Villa. Look at that. Also, that's a racist thing that he says. All of a sudden you're Pancho Villa? Like you're leading a rebellion.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:58

Pancho Villa is the is is the guy who s with with uh uh Didn't he re l lead a revolution or a rebellion? Like something of good Pancho Villa?

SPEAKER_06 1:42:10

I'm being serious. The guy who the guy with Don Quixote?

unknown 1:42:14

Sancho Panza.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:15

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:16

That's I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? That's thank you, Jess. Jessica Aaron Martin is here helping producer Paul. Thank you, Jessica. A new fact checker.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:26

Sancho Pancho. Okay, I see.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:28

And if you couldn't hear that, it was said with a level of snark, listener, that was so satisfactory for me.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:36

You can cut that.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:37

I'll cut a big chunk of that. So Cocteau is. There is a significant amount of racism in this movie. Alfredo Garcia.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:44

There's so many impressions very subtle, weird Asian.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:49

Oh, weird. Yeah, when Wesley Snipes sees the Asian schoolgirls, and he gets racist with them.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:54

Like well, dude, the movie does. I was saying this about Heathers, another Daniel Waters movie. It's careful to make awful people awful and not so people not as awful, but like again, like with Spartan, like that really super does not work. Like it does not, like that doesn't float for me. Like it feels so non-committal. Yeah. And when Cocteau is killed, it's so anticlimactic. Like Phoenix, the way that Phoenix out thinks him, like, I'll just defrost other guys that listen to me and have them kill you and throw you in a fire. And I the movie does show that, like, it's like his way of thinking and everything. It's disposable, it's bad. Like, they even throw like a dummy in a fire, like this guy means nothing. But also, like, the this movie took a lot of fucking time. So disagree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:39

Don't you wish that Dennis Leary came over and made himself a taco or something?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:44

Something. Yeah. With his new friend Alfredo Garcia. I'm cutting that, Matt. I know what you're setting me up for. So Phoenix is now his grand ideas that he's killed Cocteau, is he's going to take over whatever St. Angeles is or whatever. The universe. Yeah. The known universe. It doesn't seem yeah, I guess. And he is gonna do this by unfreezing everyone, including Jeffrey Dahmer. And we get into this cryo fight post a car chase and a physical fight and gunfights and different types of fights. This movie is showcases of fights.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:22

It's it's the end of a of a f of a Fast and the Furious movie. And Phoenix beats the living hell out of him most of the time, and then Stallone punches him once, and he gets really like hurt, and then he beats the shit out of him again, and then it gets he's a far superior fighter than Stallone.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:42

The frozen effect is not good on I I like the final effect of the frozen body of Phoenix and the kicking of the head, but like the digital effects of it, like the freezing.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:53

That's what I meant with special effects, where it starts to get real, at least on my TV, started to look real weird. It looks very grainy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:59

Well, as we're traveling through this showcase of fights, it has this cool, one of the better fight scenes with Sandra Bullock, where like we can see what she can do in the city.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:10

In the San Diego convention center.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:11

Yeah, this like yes, madam, like super cool, like kicky thing happens, and then fucking Stallone glow rods her, which is the thing that like knocks people out. That's the weapon of the future. And we go to this fight showcase with I would rather see Snipes and Bullock fight, at least for a little bit of this, as I know Stallone has to be the hero, but the fight is really unsatisfying. Matt, as you were saying, Stallone says at a point, part of Snipes' training or programming or what happened is he's three times stronger than he was than when he was frozen. Like this guy should be way more formidable than he is, and it just it takes a long time, but doesn't seem hard. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:52

No, it's the fight, the last the final fight is kind of unhinged. And the bullets are cartoons that fly in like corkscrews or something like that. And not cartoon bullets from Roger Rabbit.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:04

The Lord only knows. That assistant Bob, who I really like, the Glenn Shaddock's performance. I like so many performances by so many character actors in this movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:18

I can't say how much I love Bob Gunton and Benjamin Bratt's performance is enough. I think they're so great. And then they I like Alfredos Garcia's Genesis's I break out. I'm my own person.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:30

Like and they finally get to be together in miscongeniality. Right. Like they they which is a better movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:38

It is probably as a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:41

How much time do we have?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:42

How long have we been recording?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:44

What about the great performance by the random woman who goes who's naked and says, Oh, hi, oh, sorry, wrong number, and then it goes to the video of uh Kateau. Do you remember this?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:59

Oh, yeah, yeah. It goes really fast. There's a it cuts to titties like it's a Joel Silver movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:03

Yeah, like it's just titties that that happen at very wrong number, sorry, and then it just immediately somehow cuts to him finding out that they're conspiring together.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:14

As we're on that moment, too. I don't love the chemistry between them. I don't feel it a lot. The the moment that I start to feel it is when she's like, Will you have sex with me? And Stallone's like, With you now, here? Oh yeah. But it ultimately feels like the whole thing is like, oh, you mean of course you'd want to have sex with me. Oh yeah, I'm the best.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:36

It's definitely not the Keanu and Sandra Bowler.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:39

No, it's way different. Like, of course you'd want to fuck me.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:42

Yeah. Now imagine Keanu in this role.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:44

Oh, dude. I I would love Kurt Russell in this role. There's so many tango and cash. So when the kiss finally happens, Owen Wilson would be great in it. Luke Wilson, even. Wow.

unknown 1:47:55

What? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:58

That's gonna hurt team. Sly. So they kiss, and the idea of the movie is uh you gotta have a little fascism and a little rock and roll. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:09

Come to rock and roll, Hard Rock Cafe, see my dick. I don't know. I'm frozen.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:13

Come to Planet Hollywood, I don't know. Remember Planet Hollywood?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:18

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:19

No one does.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:20

Not really. So we've reached the end of Demolition Man. Is there anything we missed, Matthew? Anything you'd like to say? It wasn't two and a half hours. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_07 1:48:32

You sure about that? Are you sure?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:34

I'm sure. It's an hour and 57 minutes, so it does not break our rule of two hours and 22 minutes or longer. You're saying it was not a sequel, any of that?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:44

Tyler Dodge did this.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:46

Dr.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:46

Dodge. Uh we're all looking for we're all looking for the guy responsible for this.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:51

This in Waterworld? What's going on here? Am I taking crazy pins?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:55

But he picked me out. What's in the mail? Oh no, not this either. I'm such a good guest, and I really appreciate that. Thank you, Dr. Dodge.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:02

I was so I cried laughing in this episode. That's true. I cried.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:08

Maybe the demolition man was the friends we made along the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:14

There's nothing we miss, Matt. We're good. Um I think I saw somewhere that the main writer wanted to make uh an action version of a Woody Allen movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:28

Oh, whoa, missed it completely. Awesome. Wait, are you serious? That's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:32

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:33

You're not there. This is the meme of Superman flying and the joke going over his head. Whoa.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:40

Yeah. It's really weird. That is really strange. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:43

Yeah. Not that at all. And you know who I want to cast? Sylvester Sly Stallone.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:49

Imagine Brendan Fraser in this role. I think that'd be good too. Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:54

Dude, that okay. This is where I don't want to do this thing where I want to talk about what I saw, not what I wish I would have.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:00

Okay, because we could take every Stallone movie and say, what if it was a different actor?

SPEAKER_06 1:50:03

Not Cobra. Not Rocky. Crown Rocky. Hey, Adrian. Rocky is. Was that Owen Wilson or was that your Stallone? Wow. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:13

I don't think we missed anything, by the way. Oh wow. We're ready to re-rate this movie. We've spoken about it in nauseum. That's got a hurt sly, Matt. Now, you started at a one and a half.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:25

Not with a heart or anything. One and a half little girl saying, Fuck you, lady.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:32

Her delivery is so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:34

That's such a good stallon. Thank you. Now. I've had a wonderful time talking about the movie. Yeah. And that says something. You'd never watch it again.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:48

You're not gonna go up. I'm not at an okay time. I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:00

I'd rather watch Street Fighter. Wow. I'm with you. So I don't I don't know why I would watch this movie again.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:10

The last two times I watched The Van Damn Street Fighter 4 went up. Yeah, it's pretty fun. I'm shocked by how much I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:18

I watched it on the airplane. Great movie to watch on an airplane.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:22

I bet you didn't see that one coming, did you? Because you didn't have your glasses on. So so you so your rating is?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:31

I'll go up to it too. I did not see that one coming. Well, I think that's bum, bum, bum. One and a half's one and a half's really low. That's very low. That's very low. Um Paul's dying. Yeah. That's what happens when he cries. He dies. Uh that's how that's that's the secret.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:52

That's how you kill Paul.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:54

Lies. All lies. I'll go up a little bit. It was it there are parts of it that are fun. I it needs rewritten, reacted, reshot. Uh oh my god. I like the photography of this. Oh, the editing's good. We keep the editor if he's still around.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:19

This is how studios operate. Yeah. This is how studios work, Matt.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:23

Is this gonna be another one of those episodes where in the editing process I go, uh-oh. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:29

Debbie Debbie Downer.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:33

I'm glad you came up to it too, because that feels more like you're so glad. You're glad you watched it. You're definitely glad you did this.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:41

Yes, this is fun. I will say it's a terrible movie. But there's worse movies. Yeah. Oh god, yes. Right? Especially when you think about student films, uh UCL. A guy out in his backyard with his iPhone trying to record a squirrel. You know, there's a movie editing VCR deck to deck.

unknown 1:53:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:05

I remade GoldenEye Dad. So, in that, I mean, it's probably in the top 50% of movies ever made.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:14

We talked about this in an episode recently, actually. Ben was like, when you consider most movies are bad, and I was like, No, they're not. And Ben was like, Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 1:53:22

And just what you did just now.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:25

Yeah, I was like, most movies that made are bad. And it was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:28

There's the stuff I made in high school. Whoof. Not showing that to anyone. Is that is that why you're on the Epstein list? Uh you can cut that. No, but I do work with some people that used to work at a restaurant called Cannibal, and the head chef of Cannibal was Jeffrey Epstein's private chef for a while.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:48

Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:49

Yeah. And his name is Army Hammer.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:54

The deodorant?

SPEAKER_06 1:53:56

Yeah. They are the deodorant people. Alright, we're gonna cut into here. Uh I am going to stay at three seashells with a heart. I still uh I still I for me, I think that's there's still a lot of credit to this movie. This movie is still very fun, and I I I think like I might have a little bit of a nostalgia pull still from being a kid and having a huge crush and liking the world of of this movie. And yeah, to your credit, Paul, I think that like um a lot of the futurist stuff is is is interesting and and and uh fun and like predicts some things, even though it's you know a lot of those things have gone come in other are in other movies as well or other stories and stuff like that. But uh I still have a poopy butt. Yeah, I'm curious. I I would I think one seashell has got a scrape once, the other one has got a scrape the second time, and then the third seashell has to scrape the other two to get it off.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:59

So we all go oh one more fact one more fact. Stallone was quoted and saying that two seashells this is I I didn't hear him say it, but this is a real thing that I don't Did you read it? Stallone said that he that he thinks he used two shells as chopsticks to remove the poop from your butt.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:22

That shouldn't be what you need to do after you're done pooping. That's not true. Oh no, it's still stuck. I gotta get in there. Sly. Also from behind.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:31

Our viewers would like to know what about diarrhea? How do you clean off the liquid feces?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:41

Uh, you know, eh. This is a real Adrian. This is a real program. Freeze it.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:47

Oh this is a real program that we do. Paul, please tell the people you're ready and then we can get the fuck out of here. Why?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:55

I am man, how the mighty have fallen from a four and a half to a four with a heart, to a three with a heart. Three dumb little hats. The fact that like part of his like care package, I guess when he got out of freezing, was like uh Rolex, yarn, and dumb little hat.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:15

Where it's like he has to have the was this in his did it get go to prison with him when he was frozen? You gotta fuck is this?

SPEAKER_04 1:56:23

I don't know. So I'm with Ben. I'm glad I own it. I'm glad I own it in 4K. I think it looks great, I think it sounds great. I really like the score. Ben, kind of what you're saying, it's a it's a fun adventure ride, it's a fun adventure movie experience. It sure as shit ain't an adventure story. No, like again, this is why I wanted I wish this were the sequel to Cobra, where he was cabretti, uh part of the like Demon Squad or whatever it was. It's just a thing where it's like the character and the world is so fleshed out. Ben, you were talking about world building and the other character actors around it and the way it looks, and I don't know, but three. I'm glad I own it. I will watch it again. I think I will talk a little bit more about some of the high ridiculousness of this movie uh than I ever have before. Because a week ago I would have said, four and a half, gotta watch Demolition Man. Great commentary about the future and fascism and whatever, whatever. And it's just like, no, and just throws it in the garbage. Like it just it shoots out of a thing in the wall and you wipe your ass with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:37

Yeah, and that's the end. Ending scene when he's just like juice meet somewhere in the middle, is just the bow on like it's like movie. It's just like you're just like oh god, that's what you came up with.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:51

You care for nothing? Yeah, it's just apathetic, it's just like exhausting. Milk toast, right in the middle line. Don't be don't be a rebel and don't be a fascist.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:00

When they kiss at the end, like again, the line, like where it's like her chemistry toward him is great, and you can tell he loves it, but I don't feel his the chemistry between the two of them, him toward her. But no one had kissed him in a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:13

So, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:15

I actually think that if he had 20 minutes, okay. Okay, this is where I get armchair quarterback-y for just a hot second. But if he had in the past been a police officer who like follows the rules to a T and like is is like uh uh like Hot Fuzz, like that kind of character, and then he's brought into a world that's that multiplied by a thousand, it's his it's his worst quality.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:38

He sees the the woe in his ways, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:40

And then he changed and then he's able to like but yeah, so I think the muddiness of Hot Fuzz is also so good.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:48

Yeah, but like the muddiness of the script and the themes of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:50

Yeah, if he made them remade the movie, it'd probably be great. I get right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:54

Oh boy. Maybe. I mean, he did remake Running Man. Can we talk about this movie having similarities with Running Man?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:01

I think we should get out of here, Paul.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:02

I think we probably should too. Hey Matt, you do our themes for what you've been doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:08

What are we watching? What are we watching the extended Halloween cut?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:13

Which you can you can pay for. Uh it's behind a paywall now. So if you have a spare couple hours.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:19

Wait, uh you make money off of that shit?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:21

God damn it.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:25

I don't remember the cards. Let me whip this thing out.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:28

I get paid, I get paid in peanut butter MMs.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:33

Okay, so Matt, who does a couple of our themes, ended at a two. I ended at a three with a heart, Ben did at a three with a heart. Chris Olds, who did Running Man with us, does fun facts. Fun facts. You do some of the interstitials. Jamie Henwood.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:49

Don't forget Jamie.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:50

You can also listen to our bookends are by Jamie Henwood. You can follow Ben on Letterboxd at Run BMC. You can follow me at Pollox Badly. The podcast is at Review X2 Podcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:05

You can listen to my music. It's Yonder House on Spotify and Apple Music.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:11

Alright. Don't forget your classes. Next time when you drive home.