Episode 24: Eerie Encounters and Empathic Explorations: A Journey Beyond the Physical

Are you a soul who deeply resonates with the emotions of others? Join us we kick off the spooky season with a fascinating journey as we delve into the realm of empaths and the unique connection they share with the paranormal. As one who personally identifies as an empath, Jane helps us unravel the curtain of what it truly means to be one. From the powerful ability to build emotional connections to the traits that distinguish empaths, we explore it all. We even share a chuckle over the hilarious TV show, 'What We Do In The Shadows.' 

As the autumn winds blow and the spooky season of October sets in, we cozy up with eerie tales that are sure to send chills down your spine. From uncanny premonitions to eerie happenings in old houses, we recount our favorite ghost stories. And who knows? As we discuss a certain mischievous ghost from a two-bedroom home in Phoenix, Arizona, we might even have a spectral visitor on the show. We reference popular reality shows exploring paranormal activities, and contemplate the concept of energy transformation, adding a touch of intrigue to our tales.

Lastly, we delve into the mysterious enigma of reincarnation and life after death. Are we living multiple lives? Could our time on earth be our "hell"? Such thought-provoking questions lead us into an introspective discourse on the concept of reincarnation. We share personal anecdotes, including a touching story about Jane's daughter Genevieve, and the uncanny traits she shares with her late grandmother Doxy. Our episode culminates with the chilling story of a young man, Vaughn, providing a compelling exploration of the empath's journey. So, pull up a chair, get comfortable at the fireside, and join us for a captivating blend of empathy, eerie tales, and enlightening discussions.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

We're back. Hey, you're listening to Dumpster Diving with Janice and Jane and we were getting into the little spooky season of October with the fall here. I mean, it doesn't really feel like fall today. It was like 80 billion degrees here today when we went to the beach, but you know, I guess the leaves are turning color somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Somewhere else, somewhere far, far away, and a land they will. Yeah, they're leaves turning.

Speaker 1: 0:46

Yeah, the land called the Midwest.

Speaker 2: 0:49

So and the east, oh yeah. Yeah, north East would be very it's leaf turning weekend up in the main. You know New Hampshire area. So just saying but hey, I'm sitting outside because it's fireside chat night. I'm going to last as long as the mosquitoes don't eat me and usually they don't, but that's usually because Joe is with me and they attack him and I just sit here completely free of them. So we'll see.

Speaker 2: 1:16

But You're all alone, I'm alone, so I'm really risking it. But there's a spooky like sky in front of me. It's like purplish and blue. It's very like fall Halloweeny colors. So I'm in the mood, man, I'm in the mood for a little ghosty fireside chat.

Speaker 1: 1:32

Yay, I like it. I like it. Well, I am sitting on my bed and because my office is currently warm, very warm, so I am sitting here with my portable AC in my bedroom with the fan on and low light, and the fan is behind me, so I love it. Chris said hello and that your cold welcome package will be coming soon, so I've been on the lookout for it.

Speaker 2: 2:00

I feel like his people are a little slow. I feel like if you're really going to like entice somebody to join your cult, you should actually like be on it a little quicker than that. But hey we'll see.

Speaker 1: 2:10

I agree, I agree. But you know what? The curl only flies by night, so it's very true, that's true.

Speaker 2: 2:16

So you know, I'll keep an eye out. In fact I see it, bird, maybe that's that could be the one that could be it, but tell him I said hi, and he is cold because both of us can't join it Only one of us. So moving on.

Speaker 1: 2:30

So we'll see about that. Maybe Joe will like to be a sponsor.

Speaker 2: 2:34

He might. You know how he is, so this thing definitely his thing, all right. So we're going to dig into like so fireside chats, right. Hopefully by now people know like we're just kind of doing our thing, going, however, we want to go with it, et cetera. And I'm realizing like, for our listeners to hear behind the curtain, we're going to have to like double up now that I think about it, because we still have the one from Chris and it's this one is specifically for October. So we're double up. It's going to be crazy. We're just going to throw a bunch of those at people. And you know what, if they're smart, they will invest time in listening Jane, and if they're not, they won't.

Speaker 1: 3:11

So they won't know what they're missing out on. You don't know what you don't know.

Speaker 2: 3:15

It's a true statement. It's a true statement we're going to. We're going to dig into this whole idea. Okay, people, first of all, everybody who's been following us and listening knows that it's been almost a year since we were used to each other. It's almost our anniversary. Oh my God, it's our anniversary. I just made that up just now. It's our sister's history.

Speaker 1: 3:33

Yes, I'm so excited.

Speaker 2: 3:35

It's very exciting, but I will say that you know you get to know more about people over time and I'm going to suggest that this part that we're going to talk about tonight. You've never shared this with me before and I might have thought you were a freak if you had shared it up front. I don't have time to get to know you. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1: 3:56

So now, but you are in my snare, you know it's true.

Speaker 2: 4:01

So now I'm willing to listen and I'm willing to get to know this part of you. So we're going to dig into this idea of like we're going to tell some ghost stories tonight, but we're going to start with a little bit more serious and this idea of like I'm going to I think I'm going to say it right Impasse, right, people who like to send things, and I know just enough to be dangerous. Everything I know about somebody who's like an impact comes from shows like supernatural, right. So really research based sources. But I'm thinking that you might know something more than I'm getting from. So let's dig into it, like talk to us a little bit about like, what does it even mean? And we'll take it from there. Okay, Great.

Speaker 1: 4:39

Well, I am an empath, and this is something that I've been aware of I mean all of my life, I think. You know, I think that I have always kind of been like a chameleon, in a way where I can adapt to any situation and any. I mean, I've even picked up accents before from just hanging out with people for too long, you know, and stuff like that. So, being an empath, let's talk about what the definition is, because we're going to, we're going to do some education and then we're going to do some fun stories.

Speaker 2: 5:11

The teacher, and let's do it.

Speaker 1: 5:14

Let's do it, okay. So an empath, a person with a paranormal ability to apprehend the mental or emotional state of another individual. What does that mean? Well, an empath is an individual who feels more empathy than the average person. So empaths are exceptionally sensitive to the emotions and frame of mind of nearby individuals. Empathy is a natural state that enables a person to build an emotional connection, through cognition and with other individuals.

Speaker 1: 5:47

So really, I mean to break it down is I almost take on other people's energy, and so things can be. You know, there's definitely a handful of signs that you're an empath, and sometimes people can confuse them with, like anxiety. You know, I don't like being a big crowd, I don't know, it just makes me feel anxious and blah, blah, blah. That actually could be a sign that you're an empath, and what that means is that you're overwhelmed by the amount of energy in the room right, and it's hard to maneuver, and so there's been a lot of times where I, you know, will be in a crowd and be fine, and then all of a sudden I'm like I got to get out of here. You know, like it's, it gets overwhelming. And so let's talk about some signs so that way we can kind of relate with everyone. So here's 10 traits of an empath, and yes, I'm on Google because I don't know them by heart.

Speaker 2: 6:44

And her researchers.

Speaker 1: 6:47

And you believe everything on the internet says Abraham Lincoln, okay Quoted Empaths are highly sensitive. So empaths absorb other people's emotions, which is very true, and I think that it's. You know it's a conditioning thing too. You know, like I said, I'm, you know, for those of you who have listened since the beginning my relationship with my mother, and I called her very early on in our season for season a emotional hijacker, and it was true, like whatever mood she was in, you kind of had to match it, and I think, like I was very conditioned to take that on. And so now, as an adult, you know it's, it does get overwhelming, especially when, around other people, so many impasse are introverted. I don't classify myself as introverted, but that I can see that being true. I am, I have a big energy myself, and so I express that and I'm, you know, welcoming and stuff like that, and I think I have a lot of energy, so I have to kind of release it. So I think that's what makes me an extrovert more than anything. So, and then but empaths need a long time, and that is 100% true I get home, there's an overwhelming sound of hey, mom, and the dogs barking and the birds squawking and all of that stuff, and I say hi very quickly to everyone and make a beeline for my backyard and just sit in quiet for a good 30 minutes to an hour, because I just left work, spent two hours in traffic coming home and I just need that time to just like separate myself from all of that.

Speaker 1: 8:27

Empaths can become overwhelmed and intimate relationships, and that's very true too. Empaths, you take on their energy and you can definitely carry it with you, whether it's good or bad. So it could be intoxicating, but it can also be toxic and in that way, empaths are targets for energy vampires. That is so true, meaning people will come to you with their problems. So I've been that way since I was little. You know, oh, I have this thing and so, but impaths, because we take on that energy. Now we feel it and now we feel like we have to solve it. And so, being a coach, that's hard to do, because my job as a coach is not to solve your problems, it's to help you get to solve it. So there's like that aspect too.

Speaker 2: 9:15

That's interesting as you're going through them I did a couple. I'm like, yeah, definitely, but most of them I mean I know I'm not an impath, but that one that you just said is so interesting because I definitely, from a very young age, have been a person that people turn to. I remember being like 11, 12 years old and being the person like in my neighborhood with our little friends, and people would come to like I sometimes I didn't even realize what was happening in the moment, but I remember vividly being like 13 and an older girl in our neighborhood coming out to me and I back then that wasn't even really a thing, right, so you know. But I just remember like I think the reason for it is because and you have this too we're so calm, no matter what you tell us, we're so calm. But it sounds like, based on what you're describing, the difference between an impath like yourself and someone like me is I don't take on their emotion. I don't feel like I can like a hundred percent difference there.

Speaker 1: 10:17

And I do get drained, like the energy vampires are real thing and it's so funny. So this is very fitting for the Halloweeny kind of thing. So this is a plug for a TV show that is hilarious. It's called what we Do In the Shadows. It's a Mock you series about vampires in living in New Jersey at current times and they have to, like, navigate the world, but their job is to take over New Jersey because their boss thinks that's good, like taking over the world and they're hilarious. But one of them is more of a modern day vampire. He has only been a vampire since like 1960 something or whatever, but his name is Colin Robinson. So he's a balding, you know, middle-aged white man and the way that he gets his energy is by going to work and draining people's energy by telling them stories and getting involved in drama and making annoying noises in the office and you see them all shrivel up and kind of sink into their chairs and stuff. Like it's hilarious, it's just hilarious. You'll have to watch it with Joe. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 1: 11:25

So the last one on the funny list, where the energy vampires and paths become replenished in nature and that's actually very true. Hence today went to the beach and before we left, about 10 minutes before we left, I just stood at the edge of the water where the water couldn't hit my feet because it's too cold, but it's where I could feel the wet sand and just kind of breathed with the waves and it was just so centering. It was just every like. I have to go to the beach at least once a month, you know, at the very, very just, to get that recharge, because and I sit out back in my little garden and that's where I get my replenishment. So that's very true. So, real quick, not to bore everybody to death. So here's another one. You can actually take a personality test to see if you have, if you're an empath. But here's the top 15 or the 15 things. So I'll just read through them real quick. You have a lot of empathy. Well, that's just a statement they were making, okay, so here's one closeness and intimacy can overwhelm you, which we already covered. You have good intuition, very good intuition. We take comfort in nature.

Speaker 1: 12:33

We just talked about that. You don't do well in crowded places, we talked about that. You have a hard time not caring. That one is huge, that one's that, and that one's an energy sucker too. People tend to tell you their problems. Yes, we talked about that. You have a high sensitivity to sound, smells and sensations. That's also true. You take time to recharge. You don't like conflict. That's a big one. I do not like conflict. I can, I'm going to conflict resolution and stuff like that, but not I don't like being in it. You often feel like you don't fit in. That's that's very true. You tend to isolate. That's the one that I don't really relate with. But I think in my older age I've isolated.

Speaker 2: 13:18

Yeah, like it looks like that.

Speaker 1: 13:21

Yeah, you have a hard time setting boundaries. That used to be a problem, but I've learned how to set boundaries. You see the world in unique, in unique ways. That's very true. And then you sometimes find it tough to cope with sensory and emotional overload, and that's very true. So if anybody identifies with those things, look into it. You know, see, and and why we're talking about. Jane will be your coach yeah, coach, we'll talk about it, we'll totally talk about it.

Speaker 1: 13:48

Well, and the reason why we're bringing that up is because you know we wanted, we wanted to do a fun episode for October. We're probably going to do two of them. We some ghost stories. We're actually going to do two of them. We'll talk about that at the end. But I was telling Janice, I said you know, do you have any ghost stories? And you said what you have one.

Speaker 1: 14:07

I literally have one like one, and by that I mean like a story of something that, like I experienced, right that's yeah, yeah, I have one, but you, of course, obviously, given your ultra sensitivity, I'm sure have many right yeah, that's what we're going with this, and I think and I was telling Janice this is not scientifically proven or anything, this is just my opinion that I feel like empaths are the ones that have that connection with, with the paranormal or with, you know, energies and and whatever you want to call it, whatever you believe in or if you don't. You just want to listen to a fun ghost story, but I have tons of them where, like things have happened and and and I've like talked to them and stuff like that, and and Janice is like I got one stinking story and you have what it's. This is why she doesn't want to talk to me anymore. I'm just kidding now. This is why I made her love you first.

Speaker 2: 15:00

You have a lot of great stories or you hear voices, and that's a whole different treatment. So we'll have a different episode about it.

Speaker 1: 15:07

These came with visuals so I was pretty sure it wasn't in my brain. All right, but?

Speaker 2: 15:12

but when you see this and I'm thinking about, like you said, you know, regardless of what people believe in their experiences, we're having fun with this. But I do like, as you said, that I thought, like you know, you've seen we've seen so many different shows over the years about like, like the reality shows where they're like trying to attract ghosts, you know, and it's like you get like the really quality, serious ones. I haven't invested a lot of time in them so I can't name anything. I'm sure our listeners could.

Speaker 2: 15:37

But you also get like the really crappy ones where it's like so obviously like made up bullshit right that you're just like and I think you know whether it's the crappy ones or they're really intense, like scientifically really trying to figure it out ones, and the end of the day, all what it all represents is we wonder, right, like this constant wondering, just kind of a common understanding or agreement for a lot of people that you know that energy has to go somewhere. Right, and we translate what that energy is a lot of different words. Like you said, for some people it's a spirit, you're going to a place like heaven or hell, you're right. And for other people it's just different states and it different. You know different places, isn't you know? And I'm in the who the hell knows camp, right, but but yeah, so I mean, if you believe that the energy has to go somewhere, then it's not a big leap to believe that sometimes it stays here, for whatever reason exactly, exactly, or, or as they're passing, or or whatever it is.

Speaker 1: 16:37

You know, because just because I have I have a lot of experiences, doesn't mean I have the answers. You know, I don't know where they are, I don't know where they're going, I don't know any of those things. But what I do know is that I've had a lot of paranormal or ghost experiences in my lifetime, right and, and who knows what, what's coming. You know, I mean, and I've never had to.

Speaker 2: 17:00

What is your? I mean you have a lot of them, so obviously we're not going to tell all the stories tonight, but what do you feel like, is your go-to, like favorite story to share?

Speaker 1: 17:09

Oh my goodness Well. So I feel like that most of my go stories are attached to houses that I've lived in, and I've lived in a lot of houses. So I mean from the age of oh my gosh baby until later in my adult years. I mean we moved every six months. When I was a kid I had no friends. We went to different schools all the time we were constantly moving and it started. It really started that I can remember in Louisiana. It started where I could hear things in the attic. But a couple of my go-to stories this one's a little bit more recent and it's a pretty good one because we moved. We lived in Arizona and it was me and Tyler was living with his dad in Tennessee already and I had a roommate and her name was Jeanette. Her name is Jeanette she's still with us, not here, but you know on earth Hi.

Speaker 1: 18:18

Jeanette. Yes, she is one of my good friends and we lived together a couple of times. We were roommates a couple of times and we always had such a good time. Well, this last time that we lived together, we were sharing a home and we moved in and it was just before I had Genevieve. I was very pregnant when we were moving in and I asked her if she wanted to move in with me. She said yeah, absolutely, and by this time she had a three-year-old son and so we move into this home and right away I could just feel something, you know, right away I could just feel the energy and I knew and I wouldn't dare share it with Jeanette because she was definitely afraid of any type of ghost being in a house or whatever, and she would have flipped out and moved out and I wouldn't be able to afford to rent. So I never said anything to her Until after we moved out. Sorry, jeanette, yeah, sorry Jeanette.

Speaker 1: 19:06

So little things started happening. So Emily had her own room and the baby shared the room with me. I had the baby, I had Genevieve and Emily and or I'm sorry, jason, her son shared a room and she would my roommate would lock her door at night, because her son would get up in the middle of the night and go into her room. So she would lock it and so he would go back to his room. Well, it started. I mean, just a couple of months after we moved in, the door would be open. She's like did you open my door? I didn't touch your door. How in the hell did Alias get my door open? I was like I don't know, like a magician, I don't know. And while that was going on, I noticed that the stove would turn on by itself, like the burner would be red hot and nobody was in the kitchen, nobody touched the kitchen and the burner would be on, and I thought that was weird. And then just little things, little noises, just little things being, you know, moved and stuff like that, but nothing huge and nothing like what the heck's? Going on until one night.

Speaker 1: 20:12

So the baby, I think Genevieve, was like three months old and she was wearing those nightgowns with the elastic at the bottom, or I had an old school ones with the cinchinum, so you had to like untie it and open it up, and so she had her crib and I was sleeping and I heard her stirring around and by this time she was pretty much sleeping through the night and nothing, you know, she would wake me up and nothing else would really wake me up and she was just fussing and I'm like what in the heck is going on?

Speaker 1: 20:46

And so I went and I checked on her and she was naked and ice cold, like ice cold, and she was like fussing. She was cold, but she was naked and I'm feeling around in her bed and I can't find her nightgown and I'm like how in the world did she get out of this? I turn on the light and her nightgown was laid on the mattress right next to her, like it was laid out for her. It gives me goosebumps talking about it right now. And I was just like, oh my God.

Speaker 2: 21:20

We took a poll of our list. This was live the question. I would say is how would it have moved out that night? And I would have been for some fucking time.

Speaker 1: 21:30

It was laid out next to her and I was like, oh my God, but I knew there was something going on. So I just grabbed her and I wrapped her up and I was like I know you're here, you're fine to be here, but you need to leave the baby alone. And not once after that did he touch the baby. And I knew it was a key because about a couple of weeks later I was getting Genevieve dressed. Jenny was sitting next to or Genevieve was getting dressed and Chase was sitting right next to her. And Chase goes, the whole family's here and I go oh yeah, who's the whole family? And she goes you, jenny, me and the old man. And I said, the old man she goes, yeah, I go. What old man? She goes, one right next to me sitting on the bed. And I was like, oh well, I'm glad he's here too. Awesome, now we know he's an old man.

Speaker 2: 22:25

Yeah, that how I thought you were gonna say you do it Because he left the toilet seat up. I thought for sure you were gonna say that. That that's how you know. It was like.

Speaker 1: 22:33

No, he said it's. He's sitting right here, it's the old man. Yeah, so that one sticks with me, and that's always a good one, because it freaked me the fuck out. But I was like I can't freak out right now. I can't freak out right now.

Speaker 2: 22:48

So I thought about how you did respond to her, though right Is that you, like you said you could have freaked out and scared everybody, but instead you just kind of were like okay, and I honestly think that's an interesting little parenting piece, right, because we do. It's so when our kids are little we dismiss so much of what they say. First is affirming, Even if it's, even if they are making it up like what's the harm in affirming like, okay, good, he's here versus there's nobody there? Why are you saying that? Right, right.

Speaker 1: 23:16

Yeah, and devalue what they're saying. I mean, if I didn't have all those experiences in my life and I didn't know that there are spirits and all of those things, I probably would have freaked out. But because that happened a couple of nights before or a couple of weeks before, and then that I was like, okay, this makes sense. So he's looking after the babies, you know, and that's what I relate to is like, if they're here, what are they doing here? And because he spent so much time in the room with the baby and I could feel him around all the time, I knew he was looking after the baby. So I'm like, okay, he's like a grandpa, you know. Like, okay, I'm not worried, you know.

Speaker 1: 23:53

But that same house, just real quick, that when we left we had the washer and dryer and I turned off the water and everything. And then, a couple of days after we finally moved out, the property management company called me and said that they were gonna charge me like a couple of thousand dollars. And I said, for what? And they're like, well, when you took the washer and dryer out, you didn't close the bibs and it flooded the living room and I was like, no, that wasn't me, that wasn't me. That wasn't me. I turned him off and the water was still on when I turned him off. So I know for sure, you know. So I think he had messed with the Grandpa was like grandpa was like Probably Grandpa was like big Grandpa was like taking my baby away.

Speaker 1: 24:38

I know Stop. Okay, I have a dog that's snatching my hand. It's driving me crazy.

Speaker 2: 24:43

Oh, that is yeah. So what you made me think about is, you know, speaking of shows, right? So Joe and I watched the show Supernatural and it was like 15 seasons and we just started it to, we just restarted it just because we really loved it and it's been a long time.

Speaker 1: 24:58

Yeah, it's, a fun show.

Speaker 2: 25:00

Yeah, it's a really fun show, but to your point, like we just watched this episode where it's like a mom and her two kids and the shit starts to go down and clearly this is a bad you know what. But you know, just in the first 15 minutes, when shit's moving around and I'm like why, why does anybody in their right mind stay in the house? Why the hell are you not getting your shit and getting out the fuck off? Move Anyway. But you know. But you're different, like in all seriousness, what you just shared is, if you know, with someone who truly can not just sense an energy but determine if it's, you know, good or bad, I guess, then I mean, if they're not there, then you know. I mean it's, that's okay, we can listen to your dog.

Speaker 1: 25:47

Oh my gosh, it's like my puppy that.

Speaker 2: 25:49

I'm.

Speaker 1: 25:50

That other dog.

Speaker 2: 25:51

So then the next. So I guess that one was kind of a little bit creepy, but you know fun like not too bad Were there. Have you had any experiences where you were scared?

Speaker 1: 26:03

Yeah, actually there was one time I Haven't had him a lot like. I've definitely walked into places where I'm like I'm getting the hell out of here, like I am not hanging out for this, I don't know what's in here, um, but it doesn't feel good. And that actually happened when I was looking, before I moved into that house. We were looking at houses and I pulled up to one. It's a beautiful home, you know big, had a pool and they really didn't want a lot of rent for it and I was like that's kind of weird. Immediately when I mean even when I pulled up, I started like Just feeling weird, you know. But immediately when we walked in I was like, oh no, like it felt Evil if the whole. I mean it was, oh, there's this big, spacious house and you wouldn't think, but it like.

Speaker 1: 26:53

And then, the more and more we got into the house, the more More I didn't feel good and I was like, okay, like I'm dizzy and I'm like I smell weird stuff, like I don't like this, like I don't like this at all. And the real order, the person helping us, oh my gosh, it's such a great deal, like they'll get you in this week and blah, blah, blah, I'm like I don't need it that bad. I said no, I'm good, I Hell out of here. Little quick, little loop, and I was like out, like we're not there. It was just, it just was so heavy and I didn't want to find out what was there and move in. I didn't want to be stuck in a place like that and luckily I have that kind of you know, quote-unquote, whatever, but it was it. It felt Bad, you know, and so that was the one time where I was like okay, you know, like felt scared and like needed to get out of it, because I had my kids with me too and I wanted to protect them, you know.

Speaker 2: 27:50

I don't Freaky and, like you said, thank goodness you can sense it because, yeah, that had been me. I mean there's always a red flag when the rent's not what it should be right, but I mean for most people, because I don't know what percentage of people you know In the world are impasse or have that.

Speaker 1: 28:05

No, I'll have to look it up.

Speaker 2: 28:07

But for I'm sure it's a minority right. And so, yeah, look, joe, blow like me. He would have moved in and been like sweet, and then you know. Across the living room, dogs yelping when we're moving into new homes, we will be calling you to come and do your thing right.

Speaker 1: 28:27

You're just gonna be our little clan. I'll feel it out, We'll cleanse it. You know all those things.

Speaker 2: 28:35

I'm excited for the first time because I want to make a show of it like it's gonna be like you're gonna come in long cloak with a hood with my cult Hearing some things. I'm not sure if it's gonna be like a crystal ball or a Bible.

Speaker 1: 28:51

I mean it could be either be like a slate With just a great place a cheese sleep, that's perfect.

Speaker 2: 29:02

Yes, exactly, and you're just gonna walk around it, 100% serious, while you walk around with my shish board. Okay, listen right now. So Cal Jane is for hire. She, this is gonna be part of the show, like a whole new show readings on your new home and walk around with the chicory board. Security board each time, though, so it'll change.

Speaker 1: 29:37

It'll be a new theme. It'll be a new theme.

Speaker 2: 29:39

That's let us know you could be the first. Just email us and you can first, and this be fantastic.

Speaker 1: 29:44

I love it together. We'll come together and we'll have a very big chicory board to carry around.

Speaker 2: 29:50

And and then like in houses where you feel stuff like in, like imagine this, everybody it's the middle of the day Of course, are you showing really? And out of nowhere. We're just gonna pull out our like Little say on sport and we're gonna sit on the floor together and just engage in the board.

Speaker 1: 30:12

Oh, why don't we make a Ouija board, the chicory board? What were we thinking, jesus? Were we thinking we're gonna have to come back to this, but we're gonna have like a whole party, party Seem, you know, and have Ouija board, but with the cheese and everything, and then the seance at the end.

Speaker 2: 30:31

We were talking about merch and now I envision like a whole Harry Potter line of cloaks.

Speaker 1: 30:36

Oh, my god, yes.

Speaker 2: 30:38

Are you so much things, so many things.

Speaker 1: 30:39

Okay, no, no, no, no, no. They can't be hold on, they can't be close. They have to be trash man jumpsuits.

Speaker 2: 30:47

Okay, you're right, because yeah, we got to tie it all together.

Speaker 1: 30:52

We're talking to our designers.

Speaker 2: 30:55

And if you're a designer and you hear us and you just love it, just run away with it and do something and then give it to us, and for free and we'll let you, we'll let you listen for free too. We will.

Speaker 1: 31:10

All right, all right. Enough of our, of our antics. What is your?

Speaker 2: 31:13

I'm excited and it's interesting because so when I was a kid, the house I primarily grew up in, from the age of like five or six to I graduated high school, was in a pretty rural part of central Virginia and you know we lived like in, in you know, this little stretch of the street we had. There might have been like ten homes and then it was probably a couple miles in each direction before there were other homes. But there was a farm up the road and my stepfather like we always had horses when I was growing up and my stepfather the people who own this farm is a huge farm. All they did was like grow hay, basically and bail it, and they didn't. They lived in northern Virginia so he I don't know, I'm sure they must have paid him, but he basically watched over the place. That was like something he did on the side and and because of it put our like our horses were boarded there, right so. But there was this Old house on the property. So like you go down this huge like drive that's probably like at least a mile long, and then you come to this old creepy, creepy house with like a big riding circle behind it and then the barn and it's kind of crazy. I can remember it so vividly. But the house itself had been like I don't know, it had been abandoned, right, like nobody had lived in it for decades. And so it just, you know, as a kid it was creepy, spooky and we weren't allowed in it because it was dangerous. Right, there's, like you know, broken steps and all the things, like a two-story farm. I Don't know if it was technically condemned, but it was like one of those things as a kid you didn't want to go in that house, like it scared the bejesus out of you just looking at it. But this, you know, the the story was that it was haunted, of course, so I never saw anything.

Speaker 2: 32:55

My mom and now, now that you've described the whole empath thing, jane, it makes me think that my mom may be one, so she's a lot of other things which probably interrupt that. But Listen to the first few episodes, people. But but I would say, like that she saw a woman in the window of the house upstairs, like looking out the window and like a white cotton nightgown kind of thing, and it was like a house that had been around since like the Civil War, like it was a really old house. So but one year my brother was in Boy Scouts and you know how we talked about in different points of this show that, like you know, as hellish as my childhood was, there were moments of Joy right, and in one of those moments my mom was the my brother's Boy Scout troop had decided to do a haunted house as a fundraiser and my mom this is the only time I heard doing something like this volunteered to use that house and to help plan it. Oh, my god, was the whole tell like the fuck that? How seriously I I'm sure they were.

Speaker 2: 34:08

But basically what she had done is they had gone in and basically said, alright, we got to block off the steps in the upstairs because that's dangerous. Like literally somebody could come to the floor. Downstairs, you know a whole series of room. Envision a house that old. You walk in. There's like a sitting room on one side, a living room, you know whatever.

Speaker 2: 34:22

So she it's the only time I ever remind my mom, my mom doing this but she like went all out, like she organized volunteers, she made, she spent days like making like a Eight foot Frankenstein, like I remember she and I remember like her sisters, they did like a graveyard.

Speaker 2: 34:45

Yeah, they did a graveyard in the back of it and, like her sisters were all like it, like like covered what next to tombstones and when people Walk by they would jump out of them like they went all out. It was a really, really Cool thing. But so we're all there that night, right, and you know I tons of people came and it was a big success. But I remember, you know, after we had done what we were doing, the kids a lot of us were just out in the back In the like graveyard or whatever running around and you know, doing what kids do, and I remember at some point looking back up at that house and seeing the woman in the window that my mom and she had mentioned it many times before and I was like, even as a kid, I was like okay, sure, and it scared the sh and all she was doing was like literally just standing there staring out, and I kind of turned around to like tell somebody else to look, and when I look back she was gone.

Speaker 2: 35:36

So it was like a split second. But you know, card, I pray and and that, honestly, is probably the one experience that made me go, okay, yeah, there's energy out there, like I know what I saw and you know, and now you know, I don't know, a psychologist could probably say, oh, but did you see it? Or were you convinced to see it? Because your mom had mentioned it before? And it was a scary night? Who the hell knows.

Speaker 1: 35:58

I just know that, yeah, you could be talking, you could be talked in or anything you know, depending on who's doing it, so, but I think that's really.

Speaker 2: 36:12

This girl. I was like I'm not going, Nope.

Speaker 1: 36:16

You know I'm gonna have one click net crap. So yeah, that's my one, that's my one experience. So it was crazy.

Speaker 2: 36:22

Oh yeah, that's, that is a crazy.

Speaker 1: 36:25

I love that kind of stuff though, because I feel like I'm gonna be like I love that kind of stuff though, because I feel like I've done a lot of thinking about this, because I mean, I don't know how much I'm the average person spends Thinking about you know, when we die and what happens and and what could be, and stuff like that. But I have this theory and I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but I have this theory that we live multiple lives. I, you know, I believe in reincarnation, but I feel like that our spirit will die out at some point, you know, and whatever, however long that is, you know, and how many times we get to live life. But so I feel like everybody has like a past life. You know, unless you're a brand new soul, you could be a brand new soul just starting out right now, you know, and not have those and In that, very well be where you could be, or I could be, or whoever.

Speaker 1: 37:17

But I have this theory that you know, when there's spirits kind of kind of in limbo and and when these psychics will talk to them and tell them, you know, tell your family members to go to the light or whatever you know Going to the light, you know they, they say, oh, that's when you go to Jesus, you know that's if you're a Christian or whatever, but I feel like it's. I Feel like it going to the light, is is being reborn and and you know, because the first thing that you come out of your mother's womb and it's bright and I feel like that's the light you're going towards. So it's like you know, and you get reincarnated at that moment. So I feel like sometimes you do wander for a little while until it's your turn to be reborn and whatever. However, that's waiting, I try like. I feel like Genevieve has a lot of Qualities that grandma doxy had. I feel like she's like a reincarnated Doxy, you know, because I got pregnant with her the day I got back from her funeral.

Speaker 2: 38:26

Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 38:26

Yeah, and so and she just she's dainty and she's sweet and she loves animals and she's Artistic and she's super intelligent and witty and all those things, and she reminds me a lot of Grandma Jane and so I feel like that, like she got her personality or something like that, because she's just she's incredible. So I feel like that's, that's the story. I tell myself that that's what happens, you know, because it's the day. It's just the story that we tell ourselves. You know what we truly believe and that's what I believe, and I think it's a it's a fun way of thinking about it and Exciting, because there's somewhere else we're gonna go. You know what we're gonna be the next time, and maybe our time on earth is our hell.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Yeah, depending on what we, what we went through in the past. You know, I think that we learn things and we grow in different ways or don't grow, and maybe that that lifespan wasn't that, but I feel like that's. That's kind of where we're at and that's why I believe that those spirits do kind of hang out and share their time with us. Oh, you're on mute. You're on mute.

Speaker 2: 39:37

Oh my God, and everything I just said was incredible. I'm so sorry. I guess, no, I just said it's an interesting idea that you know when that spirit of that energy is hanging out, it's because it's waiting for its next evolution. If you will, and I feel like, like for me I am, I don't have a strong belief Like I mean you kind of have, like you said the story that you tell yourself.

Speaker 2: 40:03

I don't have a belief that you believe we're all made up of energy and that you know energy has to go somewhere. But to your point, and eventually energy dissipates, right, like, eventually it might just go nowhere, it's just gone, and I'm very, actually, content with the idea that there might not be an afterlife. I am not inging on that or relying on that, and because of it, frankly, I feel like I work really hard to make every moment of this life count, which doesn't mean that I don't have my own energy and TV, but it means that I'm cognizant that every moment in this life matters because there may, you know, whatever comes next is going to be a different thing. It's not going to be an extension of this, it's going to be different.

Speaker 2: 40:44

And it might be nothing.

Speaker 1: 40:46

Right.

Speaker 2: 40:47

Yeah, but I'm, I'm up with that possibility because, like I said, for me, I just feel like and how do I, you know, make the most out of where we are right now? So so, wow, people are about now they know that I'm a carton people, so I think what we want to do right is like we want to do one more of the people.

Speaker 2: 41:09

Yeah, yeah, we want to do one more of these over and we think it'll be super fun for you guys to give us some of your stories, right, like whether you want to write to us and be like you two are full of shit. That's fine, we'll take that, we'll read it, this story. Or you want to say to Jane hey, these are things I experienced. Do you think that makes me an empath, like whatever? Whatever you're wondering is, but we'd love to do another episode with some of your stories. So to that end, and we'll put this in the podcast notes, but our email is dumpsterdivejj All one word dumpsterdivejj at gmailcom. Yep, so send us an email and just say hey, here's a story, feel free to share it, right, and we'll share it on the next episode that we'll make sure we air. I think we're probably going to air it that week of Halloween, so it comes out like during that week, right, yep?

Speaker 1: 42:01

So it'd be a good, good time to get your ghost story out there, or your empathy story, or your you know what you think happens after we kick the bucket. Whatever it is, whatever your story, you want to share theory and we'll pick a couple and read them on the next one and we'll share a couple more of my weird ghost stories. So they even have pets that are ghosts.

Speaker 2: 42:24

So I mean that's all we need. But you know what I love that? And, yes, I think I would love to hear, like, if you're somebody listening to this show and something happened to you at some point, kind of like this, with a, with a, you know, supernatural, paranormal, normal, whatever you want to call it experience and you've never told anybody, because you're like, you don't tell people because you think people will tell I think you're crazy. Tell us. Tell us, like we can keep it anonymous. Tell us and like, get it off your chest and let us be the ones who, like share it with the world. I think that'd be super fun.

Speaker 1: 42:58

I think it would be super fun too, and and we'll, we'll close us out with with a little, let me think, which one can I tell? Oh, here's a, here's, here's one, that's, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Okay.

Speaker 1: 43:14

So, all right, we'll close out with this and then we'll we'll hit our Ghostbusters theme song for this episode, which we're not probably legally using, but don't tell anyone, guys. All right, yeah. So the house that we when, when I was about 12, 12, 13, we moved to Phoenix, arizona. We moved to this little tiny two bedroom, one bath and that place was haunted AF. I mean, there was, there was a little kid ghost that lived there and it would be very mischievous all the time, but we'll talk about that one all the some other time. But I was living there as an adult. I was renting it for my parents. The little mischievous ghost was still there.

Speaker 1: 44:02

But I had a friend at work that her son was hit by a car. No, he was, yeah, he was in a car accident with his grandmother that thrown from the car and hit his head on the curb. And now this young man, like he was such a special little kid, like his energy was so, so positive and good and he was just such a fun little kid and his name was Vaughn and and whenever we were around each other, we just hung out. He was just just a sweet little kid. And this accident happened and he was in a coma for, I think, a day or two, and and then it was the Sunday night. So it happened on Friday.

Speaker 1: 44:44

Sunday night I woke up out of a dead sleep. I sat up in my bed and he was standing in my doorway, in my bedroom, and I was staring at him and he was staring at me and I said Vaughn, and he's. And he shook his head, yes, and I don't know what possessed me to say this. But I said Are you ready to go? And he said yes. He shook his head, yes, and he turned around and walked away and the next morning they took him off of life support. Oh, it gives me goosebumps.

Speaker 2: 45:15

Oh my God, I've got chills and I'm sitting outside and now I'm looking over my shoulder like what the fuck am I doing? This was a good day. It's dark.

Speaker 1: 45:25

I had to walk 50 feet to my back door. Sorry, that's serious. Yeah, that was, that's one that sticks with it. I mean, and I think about it all the time because it I just knew it was him, like it was just and it was just a dead sleep and I just sat up straight out of my bed and there he was and I was just like talking to him and just responding, and then and and and. Then the next day they took him off of life support. So that tells me he was already gone before they took him off of life support. And his mom was really worried that and they're Native American and so they have a very big tradition with funerals and the and all of that stuff and they were going through that process and she was having a really hard time with she felt like she killed him and so I told her what happened and she was like thank you so much, thank you so much for telling me that, thank you so much, you know, because she thought that she, you know right.

Speaker 2: 46:21

Yeah her to know that he was gone, that she didn't make a decision that changed. Yeah, oh my God, that was a good one, sis, that was uh, yeah, I'll leave you with that.

Speaker 1: 46:32

And the episode yeah Go save yourself, but it was a good one. It was a scary one.

Speaker 2: 46:40

But it was a good one. But I'm sorry Anytime you talk about ghosts of children. It's creepy. I know, they're always scary than adults, Always scarier than adults. So yes, it was a good one.

Speaker 1: 46:50

I mean we'll talk about the little creepy one. We'll talk about the creepy one, the little mischievous one, next time.

Speaker 2: 46:56

It's going to be broad daylight and I'll be sitting in the middle of my house. That's going to get recorded, I guarantee you.

Speaker 1: 47:04

Now I know how to fuck with you.

Speaker 2: 47:09

Turn around.

Speaker 1: 47:09

I love this All right, thank you.

Speaker 2: 47:12

Thank you for joining us for our fireside chat and the beginnings of our spooky uh October. We are so excited to have you back for the next round. Like, subscribe, share, do all. We are working really hard behind the scenes to bring as much content as we can to you guys. And thank you for sticking around, even though it's like all over the place. We love you.

Speaker 1: 47:36

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