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So"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":471.68899999999996,"endTime":472.529,"body":"that was really nice."},{"speaker":"James","startTime":472.695,"endTime":474.135,"body":"So how many people were"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":472.695,"endTime":474.135,"body":"there last year?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":474.609,"endTime":479.31899999999996,"body":"We usually get around 50 to"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":474.609,"endTime":479.31899999999996,"body":"60 pod fests. Cairo is not a"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":479.31899999999996,"endTime":484.839,"body":"profit event and I usually do it"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":479.31899999999996,"endTime":484.839,"body":"by myself and sometimes I get"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":484.839,"endTime":488.70899999999995,"body":"busier than usual. So we usually"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":484.839,"endTime":488.70899999999995,"body":"get a nice small community of"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":488.70899999999995,"endTime":491.859,"body":"folks who come through, lots of"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":488.70899999999995,"endTime":491.859,"body":"regulars who've been to everyone,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":491.94899999999996,"endTime":495.159,"body":"everyone, lots of newbies who"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":491.94899999999996,"endTime":495.159,"body":"are just trying to figure out,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":495.159,"endTime":498.909,"body":"Hey, how is this thing done?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":495.159,"endTime":498.909,"body":"Where is my community, that kind"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":498.909,"endTime":503.169,"body":"of thing. So it's been really a"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":498.909,"endTime":503.169,"body":"nice event to have on an annual"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":503.169,"endTime":506.049,"body":"basis. So like I said, we've"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":503.169,"endTime":506.049,"body":"done five years, including the"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":506.049,"endTime":509.229,"body":"one year online during COVID."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":506.049,"endTime":509.229,"body":"The other four have been face to"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":509.229,"endTime":511.74899999999997,"body":"face. So it's a nice event to do."},{"speaker":"James","startTime":512.117,"endTime":514.6370000000001,"body":"And tell me about your"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":512.117,"endTime":514.6370000000001,"body":"students. Finally, are your"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":514.6370000000001,"endTime":518.537,"body":"students are they wanting to get"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":514.6370000000001,"endTime":518.537,"body":"into the radio sector or are"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":518.537,"endTime":521.807,"body":"they wanting to get into"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":518.537,"endTime":521.807,"body":"podcasting? How do they see both"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":521.807,"endTime":526.877,"body":"of those Media is radio for the"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":521.807,"endTime":526.877,"body":"old, old folk, and they're not"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":526.877,"endTime":528.9169999999999,"body":"really very interested in it or"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":526.877,"endTime":528.9169999999999,"body":"how does it work?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":528.861,"endTime":532.101,"body":"We have a commercial radio"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":528.861,"endTime":532.101,"body":"station. I remember listening to"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":532.101,"endTime":535.971,"body":"them when I first got to Cairo."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":532.101,"endTime":535.971,"body":"It's called Nile FM and I'm like,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":535.971,"endTime":539.5409999999999,"body":"Is that a cool name or what?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":535.971,"endTime":539.5409999999999,"body":"It's like Nyla FM and they're"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":539.901,"endTime":543.5609999999999,"body":"very popular. 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And then it's"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":565.143,"endTime":568.393,"body":"just a matter of what are you"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":568.393,"endTime":570.6129999999999,"body":"listening to and where are you"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":568.393,"endTime":570.6129999999999,"body":"getting your music and where are"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":570.6129999999999,"endTime":574.9739999999999,"body":"you sharing knowledge and things"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":570.6129999999999,"endTime":574.9739999999999,"body":"like that. So some of them I've"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":574.9739999999999,"endTime":577.764,"body":"had quite a few who've gone on"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":574.9739999999999,"endTime":577.764,"body":"to do really well in audio,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":577.764,"endTime":581.904,"body":"which is amazing. But some moots"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":577.764,"endTime":581.904,"body":"works for South out of Jordan."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":582.3539999999999,"endTime":584.994,"body":"She does really well over there"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":582.3539999999999,"endTime":584.994,"body":"as a producer with that team."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":585.7139999999999,"endTime":588.204,"body":"Yeah, I'm probably forgetting"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":585.7139999999999,"endTime":588.204,"body":"about many of them, but a lot of"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":588.204,"endTime":591.7139999999999,"body":"them are doing really good work."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":588.204,"endTime":591.7139999999999,"body":"Oh, I have Dina, Dina, Saladin."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":591.7139999999999,"endTime":594.744,"body":"She just got a job, I want to"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":591.7139999999999,"endTime":594.744,"body":"say, with Audible in in Berlin,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":595.584,"endTime":598.674,"body":"and somebody else just got a new"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":595.584,"endTime":598.674,"body":"job. And I was just like, wow,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":598.9739999999999,"endTime":601.584,"body":"they're they're doing amazing"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":598.9739999999999,"endTime":601.584,"body":"things. So it's nice to know,"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":601.584,"endTime":605.244,"body":"like it started back when and"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":601.584,"endTime":605.244,"body":"helping them cultivate their"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":605.244,"endTime":609.1139999999999,"body":"stories and and see the passion"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":605.244,"endTime":609.1139999999999,"body":"in in radio and audio."},{"speaker":"James","startTime":609.438,"endTime":611.358,"body":"So where can we go to"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":609.438,"endTime":611.358,"body":"find out more about both"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":611.568,"endTime":613.808,"body":"podcasts? Cairo but also the AUC?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":613.884,"endTime":617.7239999999999,"body":"Oh, just follow me on on"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":613.884,"endTime":617.7239999999999,"body":"that platform, the former"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":617.7239999999999,"endTime":618.894,"body":"Twitter, the X"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":619.105,"endTime":620.425,"body":"And what's your handle on"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":619.105,"endTime":620.425,"body":"X?"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":620.813,"endTime":624.573,"body":"Kim Fox W OSU There's a"},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":620.813,"endTime":624.573,"body":"story behind that."},{"speaker":"James","startTime":624.571,"endTime":627.2909999999999,"body":"To Kim, thank you so much"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":624.571,"endTime":627.2909999999999,"body":"for your time."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":627.276,"endTime":627.8159999999999,"body":"Thank you."}]}