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And"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1026.877,"endTime":1031.587,"body":"so I think, you know, if if"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1026.877,"endTime":1031.587,"body":"people are concerned about what"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1031.587,"endTime":1034.647,"body":"you're doing, in the very least"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1031.587,"endTime":1034.647,"body":"they could do is contact you and"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1034.647,"endTime":1038.817,"body":"have a chat. So I think that's a"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1034.647,"endTime":1038.817,"body":"good start. A good start. So"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1038.817,"endTime":1041.847,"body":"best of luck with that. Micah,"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1038.817,"endTime":1041.847,"body":"thank you so much for your time."},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1041.847,"endTime":1042.417,"body":"I appreciate"},{"speaker":"Micah","startTime":1042.415,"endTime":1042.685,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"James","startTime":1042.417,"endTime":1042.537,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Micah","startTime":1042.685,"endTime":1043.895,"body":"for sure. Thanks a lot."}]}