S4 Ep16: Christian Rock Artist Tiffany Twisted

This week on Magic Making Mischief we get to chat with the amazing Christian grunge metal #rock artist Tiffany Twisted! Her story is an amazing one that you do not want to miss! Check it out on 14APR at 7PM CT!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Hey Magic Makers, I'm Mom Virella. Juju Jones here.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

And I'm ZJ Peterson. Welcome to Magic Mischief. Get your wands to the ready because we solemnly swear we're up to no good. Speaking of to no good, we are up to lots of no good. Um we're pre-recording today, so do not think we are ignoring you. But speaking up to no good, Yakita over there is on her way over to Nostalgicon, which is why she's in her car. And we have with us today Christian Grunge Core artist Tiffany Twisted. Welcome, Tiffany.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

All the way from London, England. Thank you so much for joining us.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

The time it's water pre-recording because she needs to get up or she's staying up a little bit late to join us. Um Tiffany, first of all, please explain to us what grunge core is. Let's start there.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yes, so it's kind of um, well, I guess it's the the the actual I think I've made, I think I've made the term up, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. It's I guess I've taken the obviously the grunge bit of grunge and added I think there's a lot of so my music is very grunge based, like guitar riff-wise, it's very grunge, but then I've got a lot of elements of like metal core, like very melodic metal core. So I've taken the kind of core bit from the end and put grunge core, and I just thought, well, that's the only thing I can use to describe this because it's such a crossover, and I just don't think it fits into one subgenre of rock at all. I just can't find it to fit anywhere. So I made one up. That's okay. Cute!

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Impressive.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

I hear puppy in the back. Um, you've also either won an award or nominated from an award, or what is that?

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Yeah, so um the UK has kind of we haven't we've got we have got a Christian music scene, but it's very much up on the like up and coming, it's really on the rise compared to the US, for example. So Christian rock is generally pretty we're kind of overlooked, sadly, but this time or this year there was I was nominated for a um uh what was it, a Christian charts, yeah, like the official Christian charts award for um yeah, rock artist and new best best come up.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Yay, congratulations, love yeah, which is great.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

So it's really nice to actually be getting into this, into that world, that Christian world where rock is generally quite underrepresented and a little bit overlooked. So to be then brought in as sort of a the best newcomer alongside you know, much bigger Christian rap artists and this kind of area, which is very big here, like rap and gospel is huge in the UK, but rock tends to be a little bit overlooked. So that was um that was really special actually just to be brought in. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Um we talked to you before, and you mentioned that um you produce your own uh stuff. Yeah. Could you kind of talk about that a little bit again?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah. Well, yeah, I I think I I'm not quite sure how I got into the producing side of stuff. I think I found though every time I was working with other people, it's sort of just you always have an you always have something in your head. You know how it's gonna sound, you know, with anything creative, you know what you want to produce, you have the idea already. But somehow bringing it into somebody else's space and giving it to them is notoriously very hard. So I sort of took it upon myself and thought, well, if I just work at this consistently, I'll get to a place where I can produce to the same level as other people that I want to work with. And um, I really sort of I did it kind of every day pretty much for maybe two years, but before I really got to the place where I thought, actually, yeah, this is this is at the level that I'm happy with, and it really is my favorite part of the whole thing. I love to sit and produce, it's just the most fun I have, and if I could just do that for the rest of my life and sit inside and produce, I would definitely. Yeah, it's so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Now, how do you I was gonna say you didn't start off Christian though?

SPEAKER_01 5:16

No, very not. I started off very non-Christian.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

Can you start off? Can you tell us a little bit about how about transformed and morphed and all that?

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Yes, most people think like a lot of times when it's a Christian artist that they were raised in a Christian family, too. That just seems to be the assumption as well. So yeah, and your your journey has been a lot different than that.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah, I think yeah, people do just presume that because it makes a lot more sense. And I can I can see that. But no, I was um very, very far away, did not have any sort of understanding of of Jesus at all. Um, very much lived in the world, very much lived in the the secular rock scene, which you know we all know what that's like. It's notoriously dark, it's notoriously hedonistic, it's very much kind of doing what you want, and and um it's it's it's it's very dark. And then I also ended up getting involved in mediumship and subsequently the occult, which to be honest, they're all obviously they're very much the same. Mediumship and kind of um like what would be described as white magic is truthfully just the same as as black magic. Um, and I never realized that I was very much on the the white magic side for a long time, but got embroiled into the black magic side and realized how closely that they were actually this, you know, two sides of the same coin. So, and that's all very connected with the rock scene as well. Like secular rock, there's a lot of magic, a lot of black magic that goes on, a lot of the occult is involved, and um finally, kind of slowly my eyes began to open as to what I was really involved in, and I definitely started to feel the repercussions of what I was involved in spiritually, and and sort of having being able to see in the spirit, it became very intense to see what was really going on around me when it started kind of revealing itself, and so ultimately I ended up having a very desperate prayer to God, to the God that I really didn't believe in, that I had very I had no understanding of, but I had a really desperate prayer, and it was sort of a prayer of I really wanted my life to end, and I really felt the impending doom of that happening. I felt that I was so spiritually caught up in something so dark that it I wasn't gonna make it out of this, and so I did a I had a final desperate prayer on my bathroom floor at three o'clock in the morning to to God. And a few months later I encountered Jesus, and I had people talking to me about Jesus, talking to me about deliverance, and I was set free very rapidly once I gave my life to Jesus. It was like it was a spiral. Once I understood who Jesus was, the spiral just happened and everything started to unravel. And um, it was it's been the greatest gift of my life, and it's been a transformation that has has been so impossible to ignore. Like my family's got saved because of it. So my dad was a real anti, uh would describe himself really as an atheist who wanted anything but God and is now radical for Jesus, and it was just yeah, the transformation that that's that came was it's miraculous. There's no other way to describe it. So I had to make music about it. Like there's no way I couldn't then make music about this. I had to tell people.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

This also affected your music though, too, because you pulled down some of your older music.

unknown 8:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

So there was a lot of stuff that you had out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:45

Yeah, I kind of had to stuff.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yeah, I mean, really, I had sort of a career before that was that I was, you know, that was the that was what I was really dedicated to working on. But um, I had a very rapid sort of encounter with God one day, and he sort of very quickly said, like, that actually that was it was really dark, and it was causing people like severe spiritual distress for my music to remain out there because I've been channeling something else that wasn't the Holy Spirit, and so I had to take it all down, and I really had to wipe the slate clean, which was at the time really hard, and obviously I wrestled with it deeply, didn't want to do that. It was like, I don't want to get rid of everything I've worked for, but I had to do it, and it was the best decision I ever made, really was.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

It's very much similar to the idea of Jesus wiping the slate clean, is what that was.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Yeah, and it's taking off your it's losing your identity, isn't it? Like with we we give everything over to Jesus when we encounter him because we actually can't do anything else. When we encounter something so holy, we actually can't do anything else and get pour ourselves out. So we have to leave the identity behind, and that was such a big part of my identity that I couldn't carry that into this new life that I've been given. I just I couldn't take it. So, where do you get your ideas for your songs? Well, so now I mean I've been a lot of them are is it starts off as worship. What I would, you know, it's the it's there's a lot of kind of love songs to Jesus, but then also just documenting the journey because the journey that I've been on since I encountered him for the first time has not been an easy one. I've had you know immense shifts and changes and brokenheartedness and healing and you know it crazy things happen. So I've documented a lot of that journey and um made it into songs, and I try to release quite quite quickly. So I try to release while I'm still in a season, so while I'm still broken about something, I try and release that as quickly as possible because then in a way, I'm like, well, somebody out there is gonna be in the same place as me, and we can kind of do this together, so I'm quite consistent, everything comes out quite in real time as I'm going through these seasons navigating.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Kind of like you're sharing your testimony through everything you're going through. So it's not just going through the motions, it's actually showing this is where I'm growing in my life, and you can be a part of the journey with me.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah, that's it. Because we just want to be like that's what we want, right? We want to be we want to be taking this journey with other people. Even if we never meet those other people, it's good enough to be able to buy into what they are going through and go, actually, yeah, that this makes sense. Uh, you get me. I might never meet you, but you get me. That is I what a blessing.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Truly.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

The best form of fellowship right there is just showing who you are as a person, and that yeah, we're all flawed, we're all sinners, and we go through all the same things, but his grace is still the same, regardless of what we're going through.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah, that's it. It's we're we're like there's all there's always more grace for us in these seasons, always. But sometimes we need other we do need to look and realize that, yeah, other people are actually just as messed up as we are, and that's okay. Like we're all broken, truly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

And your your songs vary a little bit too, because your I believe your newest one, Unto the Lamb. Is that your that's your newest one, right? Is it's it's much more worship level, you know, and a bit more um calm, I guess. I don't know if that's the word, but yeah. Uh but I love uh codeline, I think is actually my favorite of all of them. I'm I'm obsessed with your music, so if you haven't checked out, definitely check them out. But yeah, like that one has uh that one has a little a lot more heavier beats to it and stuff, but I love the message and the lyrics too. And so there's a lot of heart to your songs, and I just I love that you can you can feel the the heart that goes into them whenever you hear them too.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yeah, there's a lot of crying, a lot of crying goes into them. I can tell you that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

So, how do you produce them? Because you don't actually have a band that travels with you.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

No, I don't. So I I definitely will do for live shows. Um that's that's the thing I I can't do without other people. So that'll be a that's a different story. But at the moment it's just yeah, it's just me. And I mean, luckily now we're we're we're so far on with technology that you know I'd love to be able to record live drums and all this, but actually I have access luckily to amazing virtual drum kits. So, really, as long as I can uh imagine it and think it, I now have the the equipment to produce anything that I need to, really.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

I love that. Um, was there a lot a big learning curve to being able to do the music for it?

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Massive learning curve, yeah. I mean, some of the first kind of things I tried to, especially drum beats, it was just yeah, chaos, like layers and layers and layers of drums. So, and I had no idea, so I would have to sit and watch people on YouTube. I'd have to sit and watch drummers on YouTube and try and watch them map out their their playing and then try and look at a virtual kit and try and then map it out myself. So I had to just watch people do it and try and figure out okay, so you know, the snare hits on the two and the four always, and then you you have to, but it was a mess to begin with, like stuff that I just would, it was it's it was horrifying. I would never show anybody some of the early stuff.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

That's awesome. Yeah, that that's one of the struggles like uh someone like my daughter loves to sing, and actually she loves your style too, and she doesn't have anyone who plays instruments, she doesn't have a lot of musical abilities, so she's always wondered, you know, how is it possible to do anything with this gift that she has? So I love that. That's that's amazing. So a lot of a lot of practice, but it is a possibility to be able to do that. That's so awesome.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

It is, it is. If you yeah, we're willing to kind of get really stuck into it. Anything's possible, really. I always think this.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

That's cool. So you have a new track that's coming up, and you also have a new EP that's coming out soon. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about those?

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Yeah, so just released that the track that you were just mentioning, actually, Unto the Lamb, which is a cover of a worship song by Upper Room that I've just got out. But then, yeah, um, after the Christmas period into the the first bit of the new year, I just sort of really got stuck into just feeling to be honest, feeling the Holy Spirit just asked me to to really pour out into an EP. And so I've quite rapidly over the last sort of two months got an EP down and recorded up, and and that's now going out for Mixer Master. So I'm slowly getting tracks back. So in the next few months, I'll have the full EP, which will be my first body of work, so my first full release, other than singles, which is really exciting. Something very different about EP rather than just singles, because it's it feels like it's more of a journey to go through with people, which is great. How many singles do you have out? I've got five out now, yeah. So then another five from this EP. So we'll have plenty to listen to, hopefully. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

Now you're on Instagram. Are you on TikTok as well?

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I am, yeah. I mean, I think I'm a bit old for it, but I am. But I think I'm a bit old. It took me a while to figure out how on earth TikTok worked.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

You're not a bit old. I can I I play on it too. You're good.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

I still don't know TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

So keeping up the trends on their exhausting, but I don't have a deposit on their counts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

So I've got one. You're good. You're good, trust me. You're good.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

They are it's a very strange, confusing place. And there's this feature, I don't know whether you anybody's got caught out with this, where you can be like watching a video and you go to click more on the description and it and it sends it to somebody else in a direct message. I have, and it does it automatically. I don't know if anybody else got caught out, but I have so many people that I really don't know who I send some very weird videos to, and then I have to message them and be like, I'm so sorry, like about breakups and like really intense. One was about like why to not get filler in your cheeks. And I sent it to a guy that I have I met very briefly through an acquaintance who runs a studio, and I was like, This is so it's horrifying, and I've received some weird ones too. It's just it's not nice.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

Yeah, I just have the DMs. I'm like, nah, it's bad.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Um, so you actually have done some live shows too, though, and you have a band that goes with you when you do those. Um, what what are your do you have any coming up anytime soon?

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah, so I'm should be playing some shows um in the UK. We don't really have a Christian rock scene at the moment, so I'm kind of trying to build that up in the UK, and I'm I'm sort of trying to curate that myself because it doesn't exist. Um, but then hopefully this year I am expecting to be um in the US to play some shows as well. Right. So yeah, which would be great because I know there's a really great, like there's a real love for it out there, isn't there? Like you guys have got quite a big scene for Christian rock and people want to go and and and meet people and go to shows. So that would be an amazing thing. Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Where where do we find the schedule for this? So I can see if you know you're in.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Well, I'll put it on my yeah, it'll be on my website as soon as everything's confirmed and I know what where I'm gonna be any dates and stuff. So I'll keep I'll keep the website updated. So hopefully I'm gonna be near you guys somewhere, which would be great. Texas loves Texas loves Mahoma. Hello. Also it's true. Your your neck of the woods, these areas love it, don't they? It's so good.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Yeah, basically anywhere in the Bible belt, you'll be good.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. Um, I know we had uh Magdalene Rose on a while back and we loved her. Uh she's awesome. Uh, we're trying to get her in our area too in the near future, hopefully. Yeah, there was actually some news recently. Uh there was some struggle with uh some of the churches were saying, oh, well, we change our mind, it's a little too heavy, so we're gonna redo our band schedule. And I I found that very disappointing because uh for someone like me, for instance, I mean, yes, I was raised in a Christian home, but I went through a lot of stuff where I went through different things and uh you know, the whole self-discovery, and I eventually was led back to uh to my Christian walk personally by music, and it wasn't the uh Hymnal version, you know, that led me back. It was uh fly leaf and and heavier stuff that brought me back in, you know. Fly leaf, Memphis Lakefire for today. Like wow, that's amazing to hear.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Seriously, that really had a big impact on you.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

It did, it did. It was the heart of the music that really got me. I've always been very into music, and so um, to hear someone whose story sounded like mine through music really meant a lot. So that's why I love your music as well, because I feel like you sharing your story out there through song is so important because you know it it it does, it touches the hearts of people, it makes a difference.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

Yeah, it does that teens like beat, and a lot of the music that is acceptable in the Christian realm doesn't have a lot of beat to it. It's like, no, to get the teens, you gotta have the beat.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

So even when I was growing up, it's like, no, no, no. There were some heavier ones, and we were able to find them and bring them in, and that's what we were able to use.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:02

Help us in our walk. Um, to find out more about Tiffany, you go to www.t-i-f an y t w i s t-ed.info. Sorry, I had to touch others that was going across the screen, or I would have missed it.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

It's so true though. Yeah, we have to really like we can't all just, you know, it doesn't something doesn't just switch in your brain and you suddenly want to just listen to kind of like I don't know what what would it be, Hillsong United, or like, you know, it just doesn't happen. Where it's like some of us are just wired for heavier music, some of us are wired for guitar riffs, like it actually tickles something in the brain. So we have to, we we can't just be expected to. It's I think this is the thing with Christianity. Sometimes people are ex, you know, especially from the outside, presume that we just have to fit into the kind of the Christian box. But actually, there just isn't a Christian box, from what I've realized. shouldn't be. Like Jesus didn't, he didn't give us some sort of like, well, you know, you need to dress like this. Don't, you know, don't don't be um don't be wearing black. It's not allowed. Yeah, we didn't have that.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

No, I was a youth leader for 18 years. No teen is the same. And you also you can't run to like a lot of music.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

So it's like what you can't run to Chris Tomlin? Crazy, hard on fire. But I think uh Magdalene Rose actually said it best with one of her recent posts, which is God loves his ravens and his doves. Yes.

unknown 22:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:41

I mean, sometimes you do need the good worship music, but sometimes you need music with an actual beat to it. And you gotta have it. And so sometimes that that's what you need. And and just like life has different moods to it, you know, the music's gotta have different moods to it as well.

unknown 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Exactly, exactly. Like you have your you have your David Crowder moments, you know, where it's it's more like it's it's got a beat, but it's more laid back. And sometimes you need that Screamo moment where you know you're you're you're feeling it so deeply, you know, that you're crying out while you're singing it because it's like it's hitting you hard, too. That's at least for me. I mean, I know not everybody has the same taste, but yes, for me, like that was always my thing is like yeah, that intensity spoke to me.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

I'm with you. I'm absolutely with you. Need the I need the intensity.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

So, question for you is what advice would you give for somebody who maybe wants to make that changeover? Because I know that probably wasn't easy for you.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Well, do you know? I think it's I think the thing is, is it wasn't easy, but what I gave up was so much less than what I gained, that what I've gained is something so much greater, and it's not just kind of the spiritual aspect of that or or the idea of you know spending eternity in in a place where I get to be with God, or it's like aside from even just the really spiritual side, is being given freedom that the world just can't offer is something that I you couldn't pay me to go back, you couldn't pay me to go back into my world, and it wasn't like honestly, I didn't enjoy those sort of 10 years of my life being in you know in rock. And I I really very much lived a life of doing whatever I wanted to do whenever I wanted to do it, and that was I really thought I was the most free person because I had no, I had no guardrails. But realizing how not free I was, I just couldn't go back to that because now for the first time I have peace and I sleep and like I have joy and I have all these things that I honestly didn't really think were possible or I thought would have to be chemically induced or induced by some thrill or something that was the spike in dopamine. And I just I don't have any of that. So I think looking at it, the transition will be hard, but the outcome of it, whether it's getting rid of music, whether it's getting rid of their identity, relationship, whatever it is, the transition is always going to be hard. But if you've got God on the other side and you've got God with you, the the outcome is going to be so good, like so powerful, and so much relief. I think that's the word that I always come back to is that you I received so much relief, and everybody I speak to that comes to know God has experienced so much relief from whatever it was that they were burdened with. And my dad has it, everybody I know has it, that's relief, and that's you can't, there's nothing you it that's not worth you can't, you could never buy that or inhale it or smoke it. You just it's just not possible. So, what's next for you? I'm I'm I'm not sure. I'm I'm for the first time in my life, I'm kind of just I'm just riding the wave and seeing what what God wants to do because uh now I'm kind of I've sort of fully surrendered my life. So I'm I'm just I'm just going from instruction to instruction and I see what I'm gonna see what happens next. The the EP is my big kind of next step um that I've felt is really I've need I really really need to get this out and I really need to say what it is that I'm I'm trying to say in this EP. And I think it will once that's done, I'll go back to the drawing board and see what it is that I need to do next. But yeah, want to speak to people.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Stephanie. We appreciate your time, we appreciate you staying up a little bit late to talk to us. Um, again, we are not ignoring you, this is pre-recorded. Um, but thank you, Tiffany, for joining us. Thank you guys. It's been a pleasure with us. Thank you so much. Um, next week we're gonna have a new segment that we're gonna be having once a month called Nerd Talk. Tune in to find out what exactly that is. Stay tuned for details. Mombi, uh guess you have a few minutes to take us out.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

All right, guys. Uh, I am actually currently one of the other reasons this is pre-recorded is because I am at Titanic, uh, Souls of the Titanic right now. And this is an amazing event. And hopefully, like if y'all haven't seen it, watch out for stuff. I think Julie is too. Yes, oh yes, Julie and me are both gonna be there. Yes. So um, this is put on by Dirk Strangely and it's happening in Conroe, Texas, and we're trying to revive downtown Conroe because there's some turmoil there. So y'all check that out and look for some of the stuff if y'all were there. If y'all were there, let us know. Quite proper. Yes. So let us know in the comments if you were there, though. Definitely let us know. Otherwise, make sure that you guys check out Tiffany Twisted because her stuff is amazing and uh is definitely what are your handles, Tiffany?

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Um, at on Instagram at Tiff underscore twisted, also same for TikTok and Facebook at Tiff Twisted Band, with one F, always one F on those. Cool.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Yeah, so y'all check her out because you've got to hear this like self-produced music, and it is amazing. I was actually playing it for my husband this week, and he goes, Wow, that's really good. So uh, and he's not easily impressed, so that's actually saying quite a bit. But uh so share this out. Make sure you smash that thumbs up. And if you haven't already, make sure that you are following CJ Peterson and Mombi Rilla on the YouTube. Uh, we're on TikTok, uh Juju Jones on Instagram, you keep your cosplay on Instagram, and of course, magic making mischief on all the things, guys. So make sure that y'all are following us and all of our adventures and all the fun and so much more to come. So um, did I miss anything? All right, guys. Thank y'all for joining us. We love y'all until next time. Get your wands up because it is mischief managed. We'll see how.