Hey , welcome to Doing Life with Ken and Tabitha . We are so pumped that you're tuning into this podcast . It has been designed for people just like you . We wanna do life with you , share our wins , our defeats , our ups and our downs , in hopes that you'll grow closer to God and to the people that you love in your life . Sit back and enjoy today's podcast , but before I get there , I wanted to take a moment just to invite our audience out to a live conference . And so every year in October , the second week in October , we have a special conference that we call a live conference , and this is what we say that these three days could change the next 30 years of your life . Our goal is to try to give people at least four times the amount that they invested in a ticket . We're gonna have seven main sessions this year , six master classes , three after parties , but one encounter with God .
Speaker 1And I believe that one encounter with God is what it's all about .
Speaker 2It's so good , ac 23 . You know there are certain things that we do every year , like as believers , like I fast , I do like major fast a couple of times a year . You know , sometimes there's certain books of the Bible I'll study . You know there's a word of the year . But then something else that we do every year and that is a conference . Ac 23 is that conference . It's that encounter , like you're saying , where you just like Wednesday , thursday , friday , all day , every day , you are like enveloped in the presence of God , just daring to go beyond your own personal boundaries . It is amazing .
Speaker 1And we're gonna be doing a special session on marriage there . It's gonna be Ken and Tabitha . I think we're calling it unfiltered .
Speaker 2And so you wanna come . Really , what is that ?
Speaker 1like you gotta come , we're already unfiltered If you're interested with getting more information about our conference , check out the website mylifeturchorg , and you can also check it out in the show notes . I think there's a link to that as well . You gotta get your tickets now because it is gonna be a sold out event . Hey , what's up ? Everybody ? Thank you so much for tuning in to Doing Life with Ken and Tabitha . We're excited that you're joining our episode today . Are you ready for today , sweetheart ?
Speaker 1Absolutely man we got some great things to share with our audience today . I'm so excited we're getting so much great feedback from people that lives are being changed not just in the United States but around the world , and thank God for the medium . How do you feel about it ? I'm just pumped .
Speaker 2I am just thrilled that some of the challenges and things that we've gone through in our lives can be a blessing for someone else . It's just like you know when you win , when you figure it out , let's go and tell someone else so they don't have to do what you did .
Speaker 1And really that's all we wanna do . We call it Doing Life with Ken and Tabitha because we're gonna share with you the ups , the downs , the good , the bad , the ugly , everything in between , and hopefully you can learn our audience can learn some things by our successes , but more so by our failures , of what to do and what not to do . Today's episode is I'm pumped for it . It's called Kingdom Builders Kingdom Builders .
Speaker 2Kingdom .
Speaker 1The Godly Purpose for Building Wealth , and we're gonna dive into it today because this is a passion for ours . You know , faith is a passion . Yes , you know , family is a passion for ours , and also finances is a passion for ours , probably because when we first got married , we had absolutely no money . Our needs had needs . We struggled financially , but we learned biblical principles , principles from God's word that caused us to move from lack to abundance , from a place of not having anything to a place of being able to be blessed , to be a blessing , and these principles are universal and they can work for anybody . Who will work the word , and so I don't know . Share a little bit about where we were .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , you said we had no money , and you were right . And so when we first met , we were in college and no college student has money , I mean and so we were in college . But then you know me , I was born and raised in the projects . I didn't know anything about savings , inheritance . I didn't know . I didn't have a bank account . You know what I mean . Or you know young and age . I eventually got a bank account , but I didn't know how to manage a bank account . Back in the day we wrote checks , I didn't know how to write checks . I didn't know how to pay my bills , like I was completely ignorant . And you tell jokes about this all the time and it is funny now , but it wasn't funny back then . I owed everyone just because I don't know . I just thought that bills would just like you didn't have to pay people , or I don't even know . I don't even think I checked the mail to see if I had a bill or something . I just don't even know what my mindset was .
Speaker 1So you would go out and you would spend money and not feel like you had to pay it back .
Speaker 2Well , I would feel like I had to pay it back , but I didn't have like an awareness , so I would write a check , okay , and I would so to me like I paid for it . I wrote that check , but then I didn't balance my checkbook . So because I wasn't a steward overlooking at the numbers , I could have been off by like a penny , but now I have fee after fee after fee and then I would get into more debt .
Speaker 1I remember those days . It was almost like you would get a fee and then you would get more fees and then you get $35 , then you get $35 .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's a snowball .
Speaker 1And then you end up owing a couple hundred dollars just because you didn't know how to balance your checkbook , and so I know a lot of people out there just struggling financially . Maybe they come from a background similar to yours , where nobody ever taught them how to steward what they have . Or maybe there's people who have a lot of money who's listening to this but they haven't given their money a godly purpose oh yeah , and they are working just for new vacations , homes and cars , but they're still unfulfilled . So , whether you , whatever side of the spectrum you're on , I believe we're gonna share some things with you today that will give you like godly purposes .
Speaker 2Absolutely .
Speaker 1Like God puts in your life Mm-hmm . And this is just a passion of ours . One reason is this because financial problems are one of the major problems in marriage . Yeah , you know , sex , intimacy , communication , financial problems . And for us , when we first got married , we had over $100,000 of debt . And I'm not talking about house loans , like appreciating assets , I'm talking about , you know , student loans , credit card loans , bad debt , things that we owed over $100,000 in a new marriage . And I remember it was so tough that I would wake up in the middle of the night crying sometimes , because I just felt suffocated and I didn't see how to get out .
Speaker 2Well , because we go to college . Right , I was the first person in my family to go to college . I was so proud of it . But I went to college and after I graduated , I went to get a job . And you think , okay , I have a job now . Now I'm going to prosper and thrive . But that wasn't so because we had so many bills now we have to pay back the student loans and we didn't have like a nest egg to get started on in the first place . We just started off in a rough place , like shock . We think we're going to graduate college and everything's going to be great because we're going to get a job , and that that's not the case for many people , right ?
Speaker 1right . So for us , I remember the first year of our marriage . Our combined income was probably about $10,000 for the year . I remember the first rental home that we had as a married couple was $350 a month and I kind of struggled to pay that . You know it was tough to pay 350 . I'm just painting a clear picture of where we were . Wow , I remember the first job that you had out of college was actually we moved from West Virginia over to Washington DC area and you got a job all commission selling postage machines .
Speaker 2Going from business to business selling postage stamps .
Speaker 1Yeah , and it was all commissioned .
Speaker 2It lasted about three weeks .
Speaker 1And you sold things , but then , when you came to get paid , the lady kind of stiffed you , stiffed you with money and that's just where we were .
Speaker 1I remember going out and I was in real estate , and so I remember feeling like I had to buy a laptop or I had to buy a cell phone , I had to buy these , make these thousand dollar investments to be good in business , but actually I was just getting more and more in debt . I remember the first apartment we had after we moved from West Virginia to Washington DC was a one bedroom apartment that had roaches and mice and you know I always joke about how the freaks come out at night , where the roaches and the mice do too and so I remember coming home and seeing you standing up on the couch , because you know there were a mouse was in the house , yeah , there was rodents and critters all over the place , you know , and so we know what it's like to have like humble beginnings , and we also know what it's like to come to the place of abundance .
Speaker 1You know four or five years into our marriage we really learned the principles that we're going to share with people on today , and they are godly , biblical principles . For kingdom builders and we probably are income by fifth year of marriage was $750,000 for the year , and to some people that's a lot , to some people that's not a lot at all , but for us you might as well have shot me to the moon . I mean for me to be in my mid-20s , making $700,000 a year . In our company probably owned five million dollars or so worth of assets .
Speaker 2And this is like 20 years ago now .
Speaker 1Yeah uh-huh , that we were flipping and that we were renovating , to see how God and I say God because I do believe there is an anointing- for us to do well financially , because God would speak to me and say hey , go buy this house and I'm talking about houses that I hadn't even seen yet and he would speak to me meaning that he wants to help us move our finances from where it is to where he wants it to be , if we can have a kingdom purpose for it .
Speaker 2Absolutely , and I think that's what a lot of believers don't know . They don't know that . You know that the kingdom mentality , the kingdom mindset that Jesus said I've come to give you life , and life more abundantly . What does the abundant life look like to you ? Abundance of peace , abundance of health , abundance of joy , but abundance of wealth that we can have our needs met . It's sad if we don't have enough money to go to the doctor when we need to go to the doctor . It's sad if we don't have enough money to put our kids in the school that we want them
to go to .
Speaker 1Well , the problem is in Christendom altogether . There are so many different teachings . You have some people that are so hyper prosperity and then you have people that are so anti-prosperity that people aren't looking to God's word .
Speaker 2Right and we throw the baby out with the bath .
Speaker 1You have some people that are so like they take vows of poverty so they say , well , jesus was poor , so I'm going to be poor as well . So their brand of Christianity is that I'm supposed to have nothing and do nothing and be like a modern-day martyr . But when I look at the Bible , it doesn't . It says that Jesus was rich but became poor so that we , through his poverty , might be rich . And actually sometimes we're trying to do something and pay a price that Jesus already paid for us .
Speaker 1And I think , when you really look at it as a pure heart I'm not talking about through legalism , I'm not talking about through your denominational lens or what somebody taught you about poverty and wealth when you just look at it like I did , I looked at the Bible as a businessman , not as a pastor , as someone who is in love with Jesus , in love with his kingdom , who just said I have a problem , does the Bible have a solution ? And I studied biblical finances from Genesis , the Revelation , and I found out that a lot of what you hear out there is hogwash , it's complete nonsense . And there is an anointing for us to succeed . It's an anointing for us to be blessed , to be a blessing . There's a covenant of wealth in Deuteronomy 818 . There's so many things that we can share , but somebody's gonna go from here to there today .
Speaker 2Come on , it's good . I just want to throw a piece of the hogwash out there that I heard all my life and I'm not . I wasn't a believer . I didn't get saved until I was 23 years old . Well , you know , money is the root to all evil . Right , right , right .
Speaker 1But the Bible doesn't say that . It says that the love of money . The love of money is the root to all evil .
Speaker 2That makes so much sense .
Speaker 1Yeah , because what we've learned is that money is immoral . It is neither good nor bad until it's in the hand of the possessor . If you give a drug dealer money , he'll buy more drugs . You give me money , we'll build orphanages and more churches and more hospitals , and that's what the kingdom is about .
Speaker 2You want to build the kingdom .
Speaker 1Yeah , and so , unfortunately , people take part of a scripture and then they almost say it because that's what they heard . The love of money . I mean money is the root to all evil . No , it's the love of money . The lust of money , the greed of money , the serving money , those kind of things . And so let's start off with this how would you define a kingdom builder ?
Speaker 2How would I define a kingdom builder ? I don't know . I would define , let's see . I would call myself a bit kingdom builder . I would say a kingdom builder is a believer with a mindset to I don't know . Use your talent , treasure your gifts for the kingdom of God to build the kingdom of God . Build the church , build God's people , build orphanages , build schools build the kingdom .
Speaker 1Okay , little you do that Okay .
Speaker 2that is what we call a hot flash . Can I please have a paper towel ?
Speaker 1Jose , please , but we don't keep on going , no .
Speaker 2This is what we call a hot flash . Okay , and lately they have been turned up .
Speaker 1Yeah , why is ?
Speaker 2that I don't . You know why ? Because you know . Okay , so I have to say it now . Okay , so I'm in menopause . It's early for me to be in menopause , but because of fighting cancer and overcoming cancer , it was recommended that I have a hysterectomy . So I have this hysterectomy and now I'm in this menopause and I'm like sweating and it's crazy , right , and I gained this weight . But I decided to do this keto diet , which is supposed to help me lose weight and be good for menopause . But let me tell you , I am sweating Like I have never sweat before .
Speaker 1but I'm not gonna let it bother me . All right , we're gonna keep on rolling . We're gonna keep it rocking . I would define a kingdom builder and I'm just gonna throw a definition out there as someone who feels called to build wealth and then to use a portion of the wealth to build the kingdom of God .
Speaker 2So good .
Speaker 1Let me say it again Someone who feels called to build wealth but then use a portion of that wealth to build the kingdom of God
. Now before me and you were pastors , and we've been pastors now for 16 years , and there's nothing else that I would rather do . But before we were pastors we were kingdom builders and actually I never thought that I would be a pastor . I mean , it's almost the ha ha of God , and I know you didn't grow up in church at all .
Speaker 2We don't have pastors in our families . I mean , we do now . You know , Uncle Greg is a pastor now .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , but when both of my parents are school teachers retired school teachers , and so I always wanted to be a business guy . And so when I came through school , I have a business degree and I always wanted to own multiple businesses Gas stations , restaurants just , I was always entrepreneurial .
Speaker 1I can give you story after story , even in middle school , about we didn't have a lot of money but I had a tie-dye t-shirt business . I had a hot dog sale business . I would cut grass , I would shovel snow . I mean I learned work ethic middle school . That's how I made money . Yeah , okay . And so it was really just the humor of God for him to take all of my business training and say I'm not calling you just a business , I'm calling you to my business . He's calling me not just the business but the kingdom business .
Speaker 2But there are so many people who are like you . They feel called to build and to make businesses and to make money . But really that call is hidden behind the call to build the kingdom . And when you were saying that , I'm reminded of David when he was in the field . He was out with the sheep , he was fighting the lion and the bear and all of those things were preparing him to be the king . And as you were selling hot dogs and all of the things that you were doing , it was preparing you to be a kingdom builder . But there are so many men and women out there just like you . They've been called to build the kingdom .
Speaker 1I think what I would want kingdom builders to know is that that position is so important in the kingdom of God .
Speaker 1I remember going to radio stations back in the day and I was trying to negotiate us coming on the radio and they would want me to pay up front and almost like they didn't trust pastors . And one guy said it's because pastors they pray but don't pay . And I know that's not for our pastors , but that had been their experience , meaning that we're real spiritual people but we don't have any money . And I think that's kind of bad advertisement for Christendom that we can fast , we can pray , we can do all of the spiritual things but we don't have resources . There's a scripture that says that the children of this world are more wise in their generation than the children of light , because there's a lot of people they love Jesus but they don't know how to steward the resources . Then there are people who don't believe in God at all but they have great wealth because they're not looking to God , they're looking to just be wise with what's in the earth .
Speaker 1And I believe that we as Christians should not just have the supernatural but the natural the natural and the supernatural , Because when you are really good with stewarding money and you also have an anointing for it , that's when you can build something that has an eternal value .
Speaker 2And I think it's important that we understand the word of God . The word of God I mean the book of wisdom , solomon talking about all of these proverbs ?
Speaker 2I couldn't remember proverbs Solomon talking about wisdom , knowledge and understanding . The Bible says that we are destroyed God's people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge , a lack of understanding , that we just don't know stuff . And I think so many times it's good to go to school and get an education and it's good to get all of these resources and books and stuff , but really you can find what you need to find in the Bible and the word of God when it comes to wisdom , knowledge and understanding .
Speaker 1As a side note , I think I read a book a while ago and I think it was called Millionaire Next Door . And do you know that the average millionaire in America is not a tech guru or an athlete , it's just a plumber or an electrician who got good at their trade . It's an air conditioned man who built a couple of offices and got a few trucks and then just stewarded his business well stewarded their business well , and I believe that's a word for somebody who's listening to this right now .
Speaker 1You don't have to be six foot nine and a basketball player , be it an NFL or NBA . You just need to be able to have a lifetime plan , like a 20 , 30 year plan , and an industry that can give you the space and to be able to live beneath your means and understand compound interest , to get somewhere to be able to live in inheritance . But anyway , let's go back to the definition . So a kingdom builder is someone who feels called to build wealth and then use a part of that wealth to build the kingdom of God .
Speaker 1So we started off as kingdom builders before we were pastors and truthfully , if you cut me , I'm still a kingdom builder and when it comes to like gift assessments , I'm always really high in faith and I'm always really high in generosity . So our giving probably averages around 20% right now . Over the last 19 years , we've given as low as 12% , but up to 34% of our income away . Because we're kingdom builders , we don't wanna just make money for homes , cars , vacations , natural things . We want to see people come into the kingdom , and so that's not how we started . So where we started was $100,000 a debt . Our needs had needs . We had more month than money .
Speaker 1But in 2001 , everything changed for us and it was around September and I remember coming to a church where the pastor taught us financial principles of generosity . As a 23 probably , I think , your old man I decided to start giving God 20% of my income , not saying that you have to do that . I believe in the tithe , which is 10% and an offering . That's everything , anything above that . But I said I tried to rest . It's time for me to try the best and for the first six months it was hard . I mean , it was like the devil was attacking me . I had somebody steal $25,000 from me , a broker who I changed brokerages and they didn't let my commission come with me , but I would not stop Standing on God's word .
Speaker 1Yeah , and after six months , breakthrough has happened , and this is what I've seen over the last 20 years . For us , it doesn't matter who the president is , whether it's a Republican or Democrat in office , whether it's a recession of depression or Inflation . I've never seen the righteous forsaken or the seed-begging bread that I've seen God provide for us as Jehovah Jireh All kinds of different ways . It's not like life has been perfect .
Speaker 1Yes but we don't have money issues . We haven't had a credit card in over 13 , 14 years . Your credit score is over 800 minus probably high 700s . We have buying power , we're able to save , we're able to invest and we haven't really , because we've given our life to the priesthood . Meaning that we've given our life to the ministry . We're living much lower than our skill set . We would say you know , I just now kind of got back into flipping a house here and there Just as a hobby , and it's amazing how easy it is to make money with a certain skill set .
Speaker 1But I said you know what God ? I've kind of put that on hold for about 15 years . I have a green light to kind of get back into it a little bit and that's what I say . If you cut me , I'm still kind of a kingdom builder . But I want to position not just me but my kids and our kids to be able to say if God says do this , or God says go , we can obey him because we're living out of abundance .
Speaker 2That's so good and I love what you
said . I remember being back then I mean , we weren't pastors , we I didn't even know that I had a call on my life at that point . I was just going to church and eating up the word Like for breakfast , lunch and dinner , just like growing off of the word of God . But it it brought me such Purpose to know that I could build God's kingdom . Yeah , and I've heard you explain this before and I want you to say it really Quickly the relationship between the priest and the , the king . Yeah , and we've recognized and identified ourselves as kings in the earth . In that moment , like we owned businesses , we would go out , we would make money and then we would take this money and we would take a portion of it and give it to the kingdom and that's how we would help build .
Speaker 1I found such fulfillment in that yeah , it's just the teaching of principles called kings and priests , and so when I was in business , I looked at myself as a king now that I'm in ministry , I look at myself as a priest , but the key is that kings need priests and priests need kings .
Speaker 1It is a divine connection that we are to help one another get the gospel to the nations . And so the kings are the people who go out and they wage war through business , entrepreneurship , the profession , war , and they bring the spoil into the house of God . The priests are the ones who cover the kings , pray for the kings , disciple the kings .
Speaker 1They handle the ministry , so forth and so on and the ministry is limited without kings , okay , and the the , the ministry of the kings is Natural and fleshy without the priest , meaning that if you go out and you're just making money , just to make money , without an EROI , which is an eternal return on investment within , you're not fulfilling your complete God purpose . So kings need priests and priests need kings so good . So , but I want to jump into into a little bit of Bible today .
Speaker 1Okay , because when it comes to the purpose of wealth , okay when it comes to Kingdom finances , there is so much noise and there's too much noise , and if you're gonna be good at this , you got to shut off the noise . You got to look in the word of God for yourself , and that's what I did , and so I kind of want to take people on a journey . Absolutely , I went through over 20 years ago as a business person and here's a few scriptures . I want you to tell me what you get out of these . Okay , do the right of me . 818 . It says and you shall remember the Lord , your God , for it is he who gives you power to get wealth , that he may establish his covenant which he swore to your fathers , as it is this day , so do run in me . 18 says that God actually gives you the power to get wealth , the power , the ability to get it . Yeah , what sticks out to ?
Speaker 2you . I loved it . He gives you the power to get wealth so that he may establish his covenant . He's already made covenant with our fathers , abraham , isaac and Jacob . I am the seed of Abraham . I am one of those stars in the sky when God said look up at the stars . You know your children are gonna be in this number .
Speaker 2That's me , and so when I read the scripture , I see myself and find myself in this scripture , and it's an honor that God wants to use me . I've made this covenant and I want to establish it through you . Yeah , so I'm gonna give you the power to get wealth now . What that told me , as a person from the projects , a person who , you know , really didn't have a lot of principles that the Bible taught is that I can't sit on the couch and just think that wealth is going to come to me .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2God's giving me the power to get it . Yeah , if I don't use the power , I'm not gonna get it . I have to get up and do something . I got to get an education . I got to make the right relationships . I got to get the right experience . There's something that I need to do .
Speaker 1Yeah , I love this because this is like a complete diffusing to the people who feels like you can't have a well .
Speaker 1And it's almost like there is just groups of people that love God , but it's not according to knowledge , a lot of it . It's almost like if you have wealth , you're a sinner , you're evil , you're fleshy , you're natural , you're bad . Yeah , but why would God give you the power to get something that he does not want you to have ? Mm-hmm , deuteronomy 818 is one proof text that lets us know that God actually desires us to have wealth as long as wealth doesn't have us . Here's the key that God doesn't mind us having money as long as money doesn't have us . From Genesis , the Revelation , you never see a scripture that says you should not have money .
Speaker 1What it says is that you shouldn't trust in uncertain riches you shouldn't lust for money , love money , serve money , covet after money or be greedy for money , but it never says don't have it . That is see . The devil is the only one that will want the born again believer not to have money because he understands that it takes money to do ministry and to reach people , and so what this scripture says to me is that God is gonna give me the power .
Speaker 1Now , this word power is a divine enablement to be able to get wealth or to get money , with a mission Not just to be blessed , but to be blessed to be a blessing I love it .
Speaker 2I view money as a resource , and so the earth is the Lord's and the fullness therein . Whether it's jewels , diamonds , stones , iron , copper , I mean whatever it is , that is a resource , it is the Lord's , and so money , it's the Lord's . If you put it in my hand , I'm gonna do good with it .
Speaker 1Yeah , how about this one ? Psalms 35 , 27, . Y'all listen to this one . It says let them shout for joy and be glad who favor my righteous cause , and let them say continually let the Lord be magnified . Who has a pleasure in the prosperity of his servant . So Psalms 35 actually says that God has pleasure in the prosperity of his servant . What sticks out to you ? It only makes sense .
Speaker 2He's Abba , father , he's Elohim , he is our God in our Father in heaven . If we get pleasure out of our children prospering , how much more should he be have pleasure from us prospering ? He doesn't want us sick , broke , busted and disgusted the way we used to say . Why would that bring him pleasure ?
Speaker 1I mean , there's just so many different places I can go with this , but I just wanna help somebody who's listening because , prosperity is not a bad word .
Speaker 1Now we live in a time where people are corning like the prosperity gospel . The prosperity gospel . I never , from Genesis or Revelation , see the word prosperity used in a negative connotation or with a negative tone . Now I think I understand , though , if I was just trying to be understandable , what people mean . I think that they have seen some people do things that seems maybe ungodly for the sake of money , or they have put too much of an emphasis on material things , earthly things .
Speaker 2And we've seen famous pastors or ministers who have been in the news and went to jail , and because they had so much money .
Speaker 1Or maybe abused . But let's talk about that for a second , because when we say we've seen that we only know a handful . I mean I can go back through the PTL , the 80s , the 90s , even today . I might know five , six , seven maybe , but I know thousands of pastors around the world .
Speaker 2No , listen , I know pastors in India .
Speaker 1I know pastors in Africa . I know pastors in Australia . I got a friend of mine that right now lives in the orphanage that's a part of his church in India that we support monthly . There are thousands of integrable character loving God good pastors . And sometimes what we're doing is we're taking the five , six or seven examples that have fallen in trying to uphold that as a standard , and that ain't the standard at all .
Speaker 1Matter of fact , I don't even know them people . So the majority of who I know are people that really love God and they're not stealing anything , they're not doing anything that's corrupt , and I just think that that's important to say it is . But anyway . So Psalm 35 says that he takes pleasure in the prosperity of his servant , and I mean I've studied this word , I mean before I was a pastor . I understand it was .
Speaker 1It first started off as a term that meant a successful journey , but then it kind of came over into success in every area of life . So our marriage is a prosperous marriage . Our church is a prosperous church . When you're cancer free , you have prosperity in your body . But we also want prosperity as it relates to our finances , absolutely , and I think the key is that God actually takes pleasure in it . So even when other people don't take pleasure in it and they wanna talk it down , it's something that God takes pleasure in . So he takes pleasure when we succeed and when we do well , when we are blessed to be a blessing . Anything else jump out to you .
Speaker 2I just when it comes to finances and pleasure . I just saw , like , as money is going into your bank account , like I bless my bank account . The Bible says that your storehouses will be blessed , and so when I'm praying prayers over our house and stuff , I bless our bank accounts . Our food pantries , my cupboards in the kitchen , my clothing closets like these are all of my storehouses and God takes pleasure when they are full and in abundance . But I just think like we can call on , like when you receive a paycheck , it's whether how large or how small it is . God takes pleasure in that . Lord , this is what I have received . Thank you , lord , for this . Take pleasure in this .
Speaker 1I would say to those of you all who are listening , watching , not to reject prosperity but to accept it as something that's biblical , something that's godly , something that is a blessing from the Lord . And I would also encourage you that if you listen or watch things that talk about prosperity negatively , you want to be very careful , because Jesus's words are spirit and life and there is a poverty mindset that can be kind of imparted . There is a shortage mindset that can be imparted . There is a mindset of lack and self martyrdom that can be imparted .
Speaker 1And you don't want that , because that don't come from the bottom Absolutely , and that's all I can say about that , yeah , can we talk about that , that mindset ?
Speaker 2Because that's a mindset that I had and I didn't know that I had it . I used to think that people who had a lot of money were rich , well , greedy and mean and cruel and all they did was think about themselves and they had all of their rich things , while all of the good , poor people were down here suffering . I mean , that was my mindset and that doesn't get you anywhere .
Speaker 1All right . Well , proverbs 10 , 22 says that the blessing of the Lord makes one rich and he adds no sorrow with it . And I mean we could go on and on through scriptures , but these are just some of the ones that I kind of cut my teeth on over the years .
That the blessing of the Lord , it makes you rich and it adds no sorrow with it .
Speaker 1And I think there's a lot of rich people , whether they be famous In Hollywood , famous people that they're rich but they have sorrow . Yeah , they're rich , but they have divorce . They're rich , but they have children on drugs . They're rich , but they have fear . They're rich , but they have sorrow .
Speaker 1But the blessing of the Lord . It maketh rich but it addeth no sorrow , meaning that you can have substance but you can also have peace . You can have substance , but you can have the joy of the Lord . You can have substance , but you can also have eternal life , and I don't know about you . I think the blessing of the Lord is available for every born again believer .
Speaker 1There will always be some who reject it , but I believe that there are people who are listening and watching that are like man . That's for me . I want the blessing of the Lord for it . Make it rich and it out of no sorrow .
Speaker 2Amen .
Speaker 1I mean , we can go through so many examples of people that I mean let's do this . This is what I've learned , all right . Number one it takes money to reach people . Okay , it takes money to reach people . The devil knows that . We know that . So I believe that God wants us in the position where it's not like all of God's people are coming to church because they need , they need , they need , they need , they need . I think the best thing is when we can come to church or go into the community and meet needs , meet needs , meet needs .
Speaker 1Number two money is immoral . Okay , that means that it's neither good or bad until it's in the hand of the possessor okay , just like a brick . A brick is immoral . You give one person a brick , they're gonna throw it through a window . You give another person a brick , they're gonna build a hospital . It's immoral until it's in the hand of the possessor okay . This is what we've learned .
Speaker 1Number three it's not sinful or fleshy to make money okay , or leave an inheritance . Matter of fact , the Bible actually suggests that we should do that . It says that a good man leaves an inheritance to his kid's kids okay , and so it's important for us to stew it our lives while in the earth , to not just be able to leave them debt and bills , but to leave them in inheritance Financial , emotional and spiritual inheritance . All right , this is what we've learned . God is looking for people who love him and are actually good with money . Okay , he's looking for people that love him and are good with money , and that's why I believe there are people who are watching this . This is not by accident that they're hearing this . God is looking for people that love him and are good with money , that know how to stew it well , and we've also learned that there is an anointing for wealth production . Okay , a supernatural empowerment of the Holy Spirit . We've seen it in our lives time and time again where the .
Speaker 1Holy Spirit says do this , invest here , go here , liquidate this , get out of this get into that . That is an empowerment of the Holy Spirit .
Speaker 2So good .
Speaker 1All right , and so what do we do ? All right , I think we need to renounce poverty . We need to renounce poverty , we just need to be like I'm done with a poverty mindset and I'm done with that spirit .
Speaker 2Yeah and ask that the Holy Spirit can help you . I remember praying like even now . The Holy Spirit helped me have the right perspective when it comes to finances and how I should steward my money . How do I teach this to my kids ? How do I make sure that our daughter who's going to college ? How do I make sure she doesn't get out there and do the same things that I've done ? Right all right .
Speaker 1Number two we gotta renew our mind with the word of God , you know , and so for me , coming from a Protestant mainline denominational church , I had a perspective that I had to now look at God's word for myself and exchange wrong thinking for right thinking and to renew my mind . And I believe that there are many people here that they have debt and they have financial lack or they have a love of money because they have not renewed their mind concerning that .
Speaker 1You can only do that by studying the word . Number three give your work a redeemed purpose . Okay , kind of this is what we can do . So for me as an entrepreneur , I think people make a disconnect between what they do Monday through Friday and what they do on Sunday , and there are many people who come to church or go to a mass on Sunday , but that does not affect what they do Monday through Friday , and so a kingdom builder is a person who redeems Monday through Friday . They're basically saying that what I do , I'm not just doing for a new Tesla , a new phone and private education for my kids . I'm working Monday through Friday to bring people into the kingdom . So it is the transition .
Speaker 1And actually this is number four we are gonna upgrade from producing an ROI to an EROI . An ROI is a return on investment , and most people are in the marketplace for an ROI . We have something that's better . It's called an EROI . It is an eternal return on investment , okay , and sometimes it doesn't mean that it's your stock or your mutual funds that are gonna come back at a certain percentage rate right now , but it's lives that will be forever and eternally changed . So kingdom builders are looking to make not an ROI but an EROI .
Speaker 2What are you doing for eternity ?
Speaker 1Right , what do we do ? We move from being an owner to a steward , From just having and I mean this is my money , my house , my savings to know this is God's .
Speaker 2Everything I have is yours , lord , yeah .
Speaker 1So you gotta move your mindset to the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof . So a kingdom builder mentality starts off with stewardship that what I have is not mine . So if God asked me to give the shirt off my back , I'm gonna give it cause it's not mine . If God asked me to go out and give my car out of the driveway , I'm gonna give it because it's not mine . And I think that's where so many people fail , because they look at what they have Well , I've worked hard for this and they feel as an owner instead of a steward , and I think that when we transition to a steward , that's when God can really use us .
Speaker 1Okay , number six how do we do this ? I would say set a limit on how much is enough . I'm getting this from the CEO of Hobby Lobby wrote a book and Hobby Lobby is one of the most profitable businesses in America and he said that one thing that he did as a man who had great wealth is that he set a limit on how much wealth is enough for him personally , meaning that everything over this limit , I'm giving it all away . And I think that you should start that in the beginning . Like is a million dollars enough for us Is two million dollars , enough Is five million dollars enough ? Because we do have a limit , you know , because at a certain place you're just accumulating , to accumulate , and I think it's important to set a limit to say , ok , well , I'm good at my limit . Now , everything that God does , I'm going to make a kingdom impact .
Speaker 1I'm going to build from that place and that's when really you know . I always heard that you know God can get it to you if he can get it through you , and when God has a person like that , it's like I've already reached my limit . Now I'm 100% of everything that comes my way .
Speaker 2Oh , I strive for that day when I have , you know , everything I have the inheritance for our children that's set up , the inheritance for our grandchildren that's already set up . I'm already debt free , I already have things working , but now everything I get can go to the Lord .
Speaker 1Wow , what else do we do ? I wrote this down partner with your pastor , you know . Find a man or woman of God who has big vision from God and help them make that vision come to pass .
Speaker 2Amen .
Speaker 1And I think it's partnership . I think many times the enemy allows us to live in ISO , where it's like you got the clader kingdom , you got the Smith kingdom , the Johnson's got the Johnson kingdom , the Lopez has got the Lopez kingdom . But in the kingdom of God , what we're saying is I want to be a part of something that's bigger than me , we is bigger than me , and so I want to find a church , a ministry , an organization that's making a kingdom impact and I want to partner with that pastor .
Speaker 1I want to partner with those anointed people to help get their message up out , and as I do that , I'm going to be a partaker of the grace that's on that house and I'm going to have eternal rewards for it .
Speaker 2It's so good Because you know the claders . We can't build churches on our own . We can't build orphanages on our own .
Speaker 1I wish I could .
Speaker 2We can't do it on our own , but when the claders and the Smith and the Lopez is , when we all get together , then we can make things happen .
Speaker 1Right , right , all right . What else do we do ? Look for giving opportunities . You know many people look for receiving opportunities . They look and it's almost like in some aspects , the church world , to some , is a place to come for handouts and I do believe that we should steward the poor .
Speaker 2Absolutely .
Speaker 1I do believe that we should take care of those who are in need the orphans , the poor , the widow , but at the same time , we also should have a majority of people that are not coming because they need a handout . They're trying to give somebody else a hand up , and so look for giving opportunities , not just receiving opportunities . Say , ok , is there , hey , what does the church need ? What does this organization need ? What do people need that's in the church ? And look for giving opportunities . A number nine would be becoming an expert in your field . That's one way to be a good kingdom builder . Just begin to get really good at what you do . Pick a field and become an expert in it .
Speaker 2Yeah , and you know what ? I found that and I don't know , I was reading an article or something like that , where a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to get good at what they're not good at . So they go to classes and they try to strengthen their weakness , and the article was suggesting don't do that . Why would you do that ? Get better at what you're already good at , because that's where the blessing is , that's where your talent is , that's where your natural gifting is . If you can educate yourself and add to that area , then you become the expert and you become that much more , I don't know powerful .
Speaker 1Praise God and , last but not least , put God first in all you do .
Speaker 2Matthew 6.33 .
Speaker 1And I think that's what we've tried to do and that's what we will continue to do Move God off the bottom of your budget to the top . Move God off the back burner to the front . Make Sundays important . Put God first in all you do , because the scripture says seek first the kingdom of God , and His righteousness and all these other things shall be added unto you . And so we just want to pray over those of you all who this bore witness with and you sense a call to be a kingdom builder .
Speaker 1We just pray that witty ideas and inventions be yours , that the wealth of the wicked is being laid up for the just even right now , that your resume goes from the bottom to the top not just your resume , but God is increasing your business , increasing your territory , but also increasing your grace , because many times when business and territory increases , warfare also increases . So you need another level of grace , for His grace is sufficient , and I just pray right now that I open doors , that God closes the wrong doors but he opens the right doors , and that your vine won't cast its fruit before the time in the field . I declare that you are anointed to prosper . You are anointed to build wealth . You are anointed to build the kingdom of God in Jesus name .
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