Episode 157: Walking and Crawling Secrets

In this insightful and heartwarming episode, Autumn Carter sits down with Dr. Trevor Carlson, a pediatric physical therapist and author of Tummy Time to Walking, to explore the fascinating world of child motor development. Together, they unpack the small yet powerful milestones that help babies go from lifting their heads to taking their first steps, and how parents can gently support their child’s natural progression without added stress or comparison.

Dr. Carlson shares his journey from runner to pediatric PT, offering compassionate wisdom from years of helping children and families overcome developmental challenges. He discusses how tummy time shapes brain and body growth, why crawling is still an important step even though it’s no longer a listed milestone, and what signs indicate it might be time for professional support. The conversation expands into the deeper emotional side of parenting—letting go of perfection, embracing each child’s unique pace, and finding joy in the process rather than the timeline.

Parents will walk away with practical insights on fostering coordination, balance, and lifelong movement confidence, as well as a reminder that play and patience are some of the most powerful tools for growth.

To learn more or get a copy of Dr. Carlson’s book, visit www.tummytimetowalking.com. You can also connect with him on Facebook at Therapy Kids Eureka.

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Transcript

Episode 157: Walking and Crawling Secrets from Pediatric Physical Therapist Trevor Carlson

[00:00:00] Autumn Carter: This is episode 1 57

[00:00:05] Welcome to Wellness In Every Season, the podcast where we explore the rich tapestry of wellness in all of its forms. I'm your host, autumn Carter, a certified life coach, turn wellness coach, as well as a certified parenting coach dedicated to empowering others to rediscover their identity in their current season of life.

[00:00:24] My goal is to help you thrive, both as an individual and as a parent.

[00:00:28] today I have a fellow parent and someone who works with children and has even written a book. I'm so excited that he is on. This is Dr. Trevor Carlson. He is a pediatric physical therapist and like I said before, he is an author and he'll be sharing with us his golden nuggets.

[00:00:50] We're going to be talking also about his book called Tummy, time to Walking. If you're looking through video, it is in the background, the yellow and white [00:01:00] book in the background. Thank you for being on. Thank you for allowing me to reschedule several times to work with our schedules as parents and business owners.

[00:01:12] Where would you like to start in this discussion and this journey?

[00:01:16] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Okay. Maybe just start with a little background of how I came to do what I do. It actually started for me with my own wellness journey.

[00:01:28] I was a runner. I was in junior college and I got a knee injury. And through that I found physical therapy. And so I said, Hey, this is a pretty, pretty cool thing. I like, working with athletes and that seems like an interesting thing to do with my life. And then as I was on that journey, my wife said you're really good with kids.

[00:01:50] You should work with kids. And I said, no, absolutely not. You're crazy. You work with kids. You just think everybody else should work with [00:02:00] kids. And I just had no, no desire to work with kids. But then as I started going through my journey to PT school and started doing some pediatrics, I realized that she was, right.

[00:02:13] She was a hundred percent right. So I started to embrace that I took an advanced pediatrics elective in PT school. My very first patient we had an onsite clinic. As part of the pediatrics elective. We got to see three pediatrics patients.

[00:02:33] And I, by that point I thought, okay I'll work with grade school age kids but I wasn't sure about working with younger. The very first patient that I had in that clinic was this little baby. She was actually two years old, but she had the skills of about a two or three month old and she was just this fragile, tiny little thing.

[00:02:58] She had a seizure disorder and it [00:03:00] really delayed her development. And going into that first session, I was very nervous to, even touch her she was this tiny little fragile little thing. But throughout that semester I just really saw like the development that she went through and I just really.

[00:03:20] Really enjoyed working with a little one like that was so fragile. And seeing her and really connecting with her and it really shaped my trajectory of what I thought as a pt, what I would do. I thought, oh, I'll work with adults and maybe some. Athletes and into some grade school kids.

[00:03:39] And I did that for a little while, but then it was always in my back of my head to go and work with real little ones. So infants and toddlers. And so then about, let's see, 2018, I started my own business working with zero to five. So that's, how it [00:04:00] started.

[00:04:01] Autumn Carter: So not that long before COVID. 

[00:04:03] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Wow. And no, I was two years in and then, boom, it's COVID. I was in a good position because I was building the business, so I was doing the business two days a week, and then I was three days a week at a regular outpatient orthopedic, mostly adult clinic.

[00:04:24] And so we were able to, the business wasn't all my income or anything at that point. But I did, the Zoom thing and it was very hard for toddlers. 'cause you're trying to tell the parent what to do and the parent and the child wanting to run all over the place.

[00:04:45] And so that was tough. But it worked really good for the infants because there's one case in particular that I can think of that, I got the referral right before COVID hit, but we got scheduled and everything and it was right that first week that we started [00:05:00] going into lockdown.

[00:05:01] And so we're not able to see, and okay, we'll do over, Zoom and see how this works. And so I never actually saw that case. But after the two months or so that I, saw that child with the parents there he had gone on to crawling and really caught up. And it was pretty amazing to see that progress that could happen in that telehealth setting.

[00:05:27] And it worked so well because. I think one of the barriers when working with parents is when you're the professional going into their home and you're working directly with the child. I'm always trying to get parents involved and to help out 'cause I'm only there an hour a week generally.

[00:05:48] I want them to really take initiative and the rest of the week really implement the things I'm doing. But I think sometimes parents are a little intimidated 'cause I'm the [00:06:00] professional and I know how to do it right. I. I was using air quotes for anybody just listening. But what but in that situation, when you're in the telehealth side of things then everything that's getting done to that kid is getting done through the parents.

[00:06:20] And so they really have their hands on. The parents were more hands on. They got a lot more comfortable putting their hands on the kid and, moving the kid in the ways that they needed to. And it really, worked out very well for those young kids.

[00:06:37] Autumn Carter: Can we back up just a little bit for people who are starting to listen so. Let me start with my own story. Talking about the same child that I was talking to right before we hit record. My third child, he needed to go through physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy. We did all the therapies [00:07:00] and it made a huge difference doing all of them, but we're, we'll talk about physical therapy here.

[00:07:06] He had a really hard time with balance, he would trip over nothing. He still sometimes puts shoes on the wrong feet. I remind him you don't need the extra difficulty that you're giving yourself with. Let's make things easier for yourself. And now he can run like normal children. He doesn't have balance issues anymore.

[00:07:28] He is like his other siblings. I wouldn't say normal, that was a bad use of the word, but he can keep up with everybody else now, which is amazing for him. He can climb stairs normally now. Before he was, I don't even know how to describe how he went up and down stairs. It was just weird the way he would do it to make sure he had balance

[00:07:52] now he can use both feet going up and down it doesn't matter which foot for him. And for us, we had that whole, [00:08:00] he's left handed, how much of it is this? But it just made such a difference for him. So for parents who, I feel like we waited a little bit longer than maybe we should have, plus he's a COVID child.

[00:08:16] How do you know whether you should do physical therapy for your infant or your toddler or, and what ages are the most beneficial? 

[00:08:27] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Okay. Yeah that's a great question. For babies it's a little easier to know because you're really looking at those milestones. You're getting regular checkups with the pediatrician.

[00:08:41] So it's easier to have the dialogue there. Also they've changed the standards for developmental milestones. So it used to be they said, okay, 12 months is walking because that's the 50th percentile. So at 12 months half the kids will be walking and half the [00:09:00] kids won't be walking yet.

[00:09:02] But they changed it. Now they say walking 18 months. The reason they did that is 'cause they changed it to the 75th percentile. So again, 75% of kids will be walking at 18 months and 25% won't. But that gives a, clear landmark of, okay, if the child isn't walking, they should get referred for physical therapy at that point to make sure they catch up in a timely manner

[00:09:28] whereas in the past if it was 14 months, 16 months the parents would be concerned because they weren't walking and it was past 12 months. But the doctors would just say, oh, we wait and see. And so they have changed those to make it a little bit more clear for most things. But I would say, so just going through briefly here so crawling that's, that has the biggest [00:10:00] range of when kids start that skill and it's usually between six and 12 months. So that's a very big range for crawling right. And that's actually the reason that they took them off the developmental milestones was because it was hard to really come up with that 75th percentile.

[00:10:19] So they actually took crawling off. So that doesn't mean crawling isn't important but it isn't one of the recognized milestones right now in the US anymore. And but for rolling usually occurs three to four months. If a child isn't rolling by six months, then they should definitely be referred for physical therapy.

[00:10:41] Autumn Carter: What about if they only roll one direction? I had a nephew who is that way. 

[00:10:46] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah That's a, great question. So we should, for babies, we should always be looking for asymmetries. Are they only doing one thing, one side? Are they only using one hand and not the other? Or is there an imbalance there?

[00:10:59] It's [00:11:00] usually not only using if they're using it two to three times more, the right hand versus the left hand. Because that handedness doesn't develop till at least three years old when kids start doing more of the fine motor writing, those sorts of things. And what we wanna look at is, are there asymmetries like that?

[00:11:19] And that would be a reason to talk with the pediatrician. Absolutely. 

[00:11:23] Autumn Carter: Is so interesting. And then I have a friend who she was telling me, and it makes sense now meeting the child and he was. In pre-K when I met him and I, could just see that there besides a DHD, there was maybe something else if for putting a label on him, which is good and bad, but she was saying that her pediatrician was saying to, there's a better term for this, but to knock him over gently [00:12:00] so that he would be crawling more and then for her to be showing him how to crawl. Because if you go straight to walking without crawling it, you miss some of the development in the brain.

[00:12:12] Have you heard of any of that? And can you talk to any of that? Yeah, 

[00:12:16] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: the, as far as like the research on that, it isn't really clear about, oh, walking is you really should crawl before walking. There isn't like a very clear oh, they have to, there are kids that, that go on to, to walk without crawling.

[00:12:16] Definitely. But there, there are definitely some little things that that kids miss when they don't crawl. One of 'em is just, if you think about it, like the core strengthening. So when you're in that position, like hands and knees even just as an adult exercise, if you're in that, they call it like a bird dog.

[00:12:38] Where you're in that hands and knees position and you're outstretching your arm and your leg, like you hold that for 15 seconds and you switch off and do a few of those, like you're gonna feel it in your core, right? And so kids that do crawl, they get that exercise through their core that you get missed if you're always in an upright position.

[00:12:56] If you're always in an upright position, then you're not involving that core the same [00:13:00] way. What we see is when kids get to grade school and that sort of thing. And those kids tend to be more uncoordinated and they tend to not have as good of balance, like in those fast dynamic things.

[00:13:17] So running and then cutting to a different direction. And, because if you think about it, if you're core your, core is that. Is that connection between your legs and the rest of your body. And so if you're running one direction and then you want to turn, pivot quickly and go the other direction, if your core is floppy there, then it's not gonna be able to act like a spring and take you back into the other direction as your legs make that cut.

[00:13:45] Then the rest of your body's gonna keep wanting to go the other way. And so you need that strong core to snap it back and get you in that. Other direction. And so that's something that we see. And then another thing is [00:14:00] coordination. So that reciprocal movement of crawling that, you know, that coordination between the arms and the legs.

[00:14:07] Okay, so you have your opposite. Just like with walking you have your left leg goes forward, then your right arm goes forward, okay. And back and forth like that. Kids that don't crawl tend to have a tougher time with coordination of the limbs like that. Another example is like with jumping jacks.

[00:14:29] So I've seen a lot of kids in my practice that go on to grade school. And they didn't get PT and they didn't crawl. They skipped that, and then they start doing jumping jacks and they really have trouble coordinating the arms and the legs with that movement. And that's one that I've seen a lot of kids, I.

[00:14:45] Have trouble with. And then what happens is then they stick out with the rest of the kids, right? 'cause they can't do the movement properly. And then they start self-selecting themselves out of physical activity and then they become more [00:15:00] sedentary.

[00:15:01] A big reason why I think it's so important to to look at those kids early on and help them get up to speed because we don't want them. Losing those opportunities just because they didn't have the practice and didn't get up to speed. Because then you start seeing not just, they're not being as physically active, but then you see they're not being as socially active too, because they're not having the same social experiences or they're self-selecting out of those social experiences because they don't wanna stick out.

[00:15:34] Autumn Carter: I was thinking about that over Memorial Day. We had our several church families get together, a huge party at the park and a lot of sports were being played, and I was choosing to play sports. And when I was done and I was resting in the shade with my husband and watching our kids continue to play. I was thinking about how I did that as a child and how much I missed [00:16:00] out on, just had that moment of, oh, just holding my inner child.

[00:16:05] Just imagining that and realizing that I don't want that for our children and how much I worked towards that. My undergrad is in Applied Health, so during COVID we built a jungle gym in our basement, and we still use it during winter. We use it during other times too, especially when they're loud and it's raining.

[00:16:25] Go downstairs. Just go get it out down there. And we also have a jumping castle that we set up in our garage. We pull our cars out and put it in there. And I am realizing as an adult the importance of that. And I'm undoing some of the things that I told myself, like with my hand coordination, I played soccer instead.

[00:16:45] So now I'm getting into pickleball and it's very much a mental game with myself of. Okay. Calm down. Okay, adrenaline's going, but we got this. We want this. Like having that conversation and not beating myself [00:17:00] up when I miss the ball. And how much better would it have been if I learned all these things as a child, not almost turning 40, yeah. 

[00:17:09] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. 

[00:17:10] Autumn Carter: Big difference and it makes me listening to you grateful that we did start the journey with our third child when we did, I was absolutely that kid with the jumping jacks. That's why he was laughing. For those that you, have you listening because I was pointing at myself when he was saying it, and we all know children like that.

[00:17:29] If it wasn't us, maybe it was somebody else that we can think of that was in our class in elementary school and how it really did lead to, okay, I'm not going to exercise more and blah, blah, blah. And for me. I was skinny so nobody was calling me out for it. But, and especially in the nineties where weight was such a huge issue, always talked about overdone by very [00:18:00] extreme.

[00:18:00] And what if we can. Help our children now so they don't end up going into adulthood with these negative beliefs. 

[00:18:09] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. I think first I love the jungle gym in the basement. That's fantastic. Great job on parenting right there. We did a similar thing with our kids, with COVID too.

[00:18:22] But even as a physical therapist, it took me a minute to realize, oh wait, yeah, our kids haven't left the house. We need to facilitate this energy that they have. And then wow, what a great job on figuring that as, an adult out and. Putting yourself in those, experiences because a lot of people don't do that.

[00:18:45] And especially when they've had those bad experiences. And I think you just, really hit on a big piece and that's that lifelong fitness let's get these kids active and get their skills up to speed [00:19:00] so that they can have those social experiences and they can go on to, have that lifelong fitness, I think is so important.

[00:19:06] Autumn Carter: You're a runner. How do you feel after running? 

[00:19:09] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. Isn't that a great high? And it's natural. Yes, absolutely. 

[00:19:13] Autumn Carter: It makes you want to go and do it again. For me, something needs to be chasing me. I, do not keep the case very well. I was running with my husband just 'cause I was frustrated after a pickleball game.

[00:19:25] So I came home and asked him to go for a walk run with me, and it, literally was a walk run. Because I cannot, I just wanna sprint. I can't keep myself slow. But even doing that, it felt so good and I was able to release what I needed to and then talk to him through why I was frustrated, and how I was holding onto things from the game and blah, blah, blah.

[00:19:49] Looking at children, how happy are they after they've had recess because they've been running around and they have those feel good hormones. And encouraging that for kids is [00:20:00] so good, and it releases the hormones that help us connect with people too. Have you noticed that from sports players?

[00:20:10] It's so fun to watch and why can't we have that as adults too? Encourage our kids, but they should also see us doing that. It's been really fun to have our kids watch. My husband and I get into pickleball. 

[00:20:21] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. And to see them go through your growth too of you, you said it's something that you aren't naturally gifted at and to see you trying anyway.

[00:20:33] That what a gift you're giving them for that too. 

[00:20:35] Autumn Carter: I talked to my son about that because he's not as coordinated at pickleball. So there's times where I laugh at him 'cause that ball went totally the wrong direction. It reminds me of when I was learning volleyball and pe I always tried to go that way.

[00:20:48] I didn't go the opposite and. I laugh at him and then I tell him, don't worry. I do the same thing sometimes and I talk him through my own beliefs and how I'm [00:21:00] rewriting things. And we have that discussion. And what's really great, and there's so many studies on this, is teaching him what we're learning along the way.

[00:21:10] Super fun. And then my daughter joins in and then the younger two are just watching us or wanna play on our phones, whatever. They're still outside. After a while they'll go run around on the hill next to the courts, but there's so much value in remembering our physical bodies and taking care of them, especially in being active.

[00:21:32] So my question is, how does all of this relate to your book? 

[00:21:37] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Oh yeah. Okay. So my book is called Tummy Time to Walking. And it takes parents through the developmental milestones from birth all the way to walking. So, typically that occurs in about a year. But like we said, for some kids it is a little bit longer.

[00:21:58] And if you think about it it's, really [00:22:00] amazing, right? You have this, little tiny baby that can't even hold its head up against gravity and in one year span or so gets all the way to walking. And that is just such a feat to me of being able to. Build, develop those muscles, make the brain connections to be able to coordinate everything together.

[00:22:22] And that higher level balance not many animals walk on two feet. It's quite a bit easier to walk on four, right? And so, each chapter goes through one basic milestone on that. And it follows one specific case. It's told in a story format. So it's one child for each chapter that goes through and accomplishes that skill and yeah, takes it all the way up to walking.

[00:22:53] Autumn Carter: I was thinking of my children during this. So what are the pros and cons of [00:23:00] pushing your children to walk? Before. Before they're year old. So for our oldest, me being a first time mom, like he's gotta hit this. The neighbor kid did come on, so a week before his first birthday, we got him finally walking, but it was a lot of effort on our part versus my daughter.

[00:23:20] We let her figure it out and she was 14 months. 

[00:23:24] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. So yeah, that difference between 12 months and 14 months, not a big difference. And probably when they're 30, 40 years old, they're like, there's not gonna be much of a difference there. I think one of the things I point out in the book is there are markers when a child isn't ready to walk yet, and we wanna make sure that we're not pushing past those markers, trying to get them to this arbitrary milestone of mock [00:24:00] walking at a certain date.

[00:24:02] The biggest, marker for that is. When they're standing, say, so they're standing at the couch or they're standing and you're giving them support with their hands out sort of thing. You wanna look at their knees and you wanna see what their knees look like. So if they're hyper extended, so if they're in that locked out position or they're past straight, right?

[00:24:23] They're hyper extended. Then that means that they don't have the stability even without support that you're giving them to stand because they're using instead of the muscles around the knee to hold that position of the knee. They're using that inherent stability of the joint itself. And that's, a.

[00:24:43] Bad habit to get into. Okay. So what can happen is if we're not mindful of that and, we keep pushing the walking, and then they do learn to walk, but they learn with that pattern of that knee hyperextension. And then even as they develop the [00:25:00] strength. In order to support that knee properly later on, now they've got this habit and so they use the hyperextension and that can lead to problems later on because you're putting so much stress on that joint.

[00:25:14] And then also when you're in that position of that knee hyperextension, then where other people are standing and using their muscles, those kids. Aren't using their muscles because the muscles are turned off because they're using their joints. So there's things like that to look for. And it sounds like your oldest is just fine and not doing that.

[00:25:36] But there are things like that to watch out for, to show that you're pushing it too soon. 

[00:25:43] Autumn Carter: Get rid of the stress. Like I wanna go back in time and just tell myself to chill. Just take a breath. And I have a friend who she said she'll never do yoga with me because she has that with her niece.

[00:25:57] So I was managing her and, huh. That [00:26:00] would've been different for her. It sounds like. It doesn't sound like that leads to this every time, but it sounds like there is that potential interesting. And then I know with my youngest, he did not wanna walk, but he was fully capable. He was, had the right posture, everything.

[00:26:18] You know what got him to walk here's our phone. Here you go. 

[00:26:22] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: He was just 

[00:26:23] Autumn Carter: interested in that magic screen. So we would do that and we pass it back and forth, have the siblings take it, so then he would walk to us to do that. So funny, just the different personalities. Yeah, 

[00:26:35] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: the remote, the TV remote is, we did that too.

[00:26:38] Lot of those items. Yeah. 

[00:26:39] Autumn Carter: Yep. Still sometimes he asks to hold it and we're like, okay, but here's the button when you wanna turn off the show. We don't watch TV very often. I'm not a huge TV person. I'd rather their noses be in books. So we do that a lot more and we enjoy spending time outside when we can.

[00:26:55] When the weather's nice, it's finally not raining, so I'm sure today [00:27:00] they'll be begging to go outside. Plus we just mowed and dog poop's cleaned up, so I'm sure we'll hardly see them this afternoon, which will be amazing for us to have a break after the weekend. So your book is it? Meant to be for parents who are concerned, or is it meant to be a milestone for every parent?

[00:27:21] It sounds like you had an idea in mind when you wrote this, but I'm getting the vibe that it's for every parent. 

[00:27:27] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: So I wrote it really with the intention of, the kid the, parents who are worried about it and, their kids might be a little bit delayed. How I got started with the book was in seeing practice in my practice with the kids that I see for physical therapy.

[00:27:44] There were, some kids that were on the verge of qualifying but didn't quite qualify to get that one-on-one physical therapy. But if they could benefit, if they just had the knowledge that I had, like they just needed a little bit of help to get them to that next level.

[00:27:59] And so that's who [00:28:00] I wrote this book for. That was my intention is, okay, like I have this information, let's get it into the hands of parents. Because when I looked online there, there was a lot of kind this anecdotal information like, oh, I heard that. Aunt Sue says all you have to do is just hold on their hands and then they'll start walking or and yeah just a lot of anecdotal stuff.

[00:28:28] But then parents would try and that one thing wouldn't work, and then they wouldn't know what else to do. So my intention was to give a more well-rounded idea of what you could do for your kids in order to get 'em through each milestone. But. The, process is the same whether, the kid's typically developing or, delayed they have to be able, those milestones build on top of each other.

[00:28:59] The first thing [00:29:00] that's why tummy time is so important early on is because they need to develop that strength through their, through back, and their neck. They need to hold that head up. They need to push through their arms, like they need to develop that strengthening right. So once they're able to do that, get some kind of competency with that, then they can start to roll over.

[00:29:18] And then you start working those muscles in that, the rotational direction and you start getting a little bit more of the side to side movement. Then they can start to sit up and then from there, then they can start moving in and out of sitting. Then they can start going on to crawling and on through.

[00:29:35] So it's the same process whether the child is delayed or typically developing. 

[00:29:42] Autumn Carter: I was thinking about tummy time is so hard when they're newborns. They're just like, what are doing to me? I want you, and just, ugh, that was. 

[00:29:50] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Their little cries was so hard. The best way for most people to start that is, is usually on mom's chest, but dad's chest too.

[00:29:58] And then just [00:30:00] lean back. So you're in that inclined position. We started doing that. 

[00:30:04] Autumn Carter: I didn't realize with my first the first is always the child. I still tell him that I'm trying this out on you. Let me know if this doesn't work. So he's very receptive at this point.

[00:30:12] But with number two, and me being so tired and postpartum depression and everything else, it was more just, here you go. Just like you were saying. And then once they were older, having the mat with all the different noises and stuff, like just kinda like tissue paper noise in the mat, like those different noises that it had.

[00:30:35] They love that. And the little one that they'd press and it'd squeak and then our dogs would come over wait, is there a toy? 

[00:30:40] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: They infants, they really do like, noise, don't they? They're very interested in noise, texture. Yeah the, that tissue paper stuff I have a lot of parents that just use the you have a bag of wipes and it has the same kind of crinkly type.

[00:30:57] Autumn Carter: My daughter from rolling over during diaper changes is [00:31:00] here's the wipes. 

[00:31:02] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Yeah. Uhhuh. 

[00:31:02] Autumn Carter: Wanna give it up enough so we could open the container to get a wipe out. Do you like the snow still, even though you're seven?

[00:31:11] How, where can we find your book? And then is there anything that you wanna leave us with after that? 

[00:31:16] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: I'm good. Yeah, Amazon it's on Amazon Tummy time to walking. You can also go to the website for the book. It's tummy time to walking.com. And you still, it takes you to Amazon so either way you end up on Amazon.

[00:31:34] But you can sign up for my newsletter too on that website as well. Where I give tips every couple of weeks. It's. Supposed to be every week or two, but it's with life, it's been a little less than that right now. 

[00:31:48] Autumn Carter: So what kind of tips and tricks and what would we find on your newsletter?

[00:31:53] Dr. Trevor Carlson- Tummy Time to Walking: Right, now I'm doing a little newsletter article on containers. So [00:32:00] containers are anything that holds your kids. So whether it's a car seat or an infant's seating arrangement or a bouncer or anything like that. And they can be very helpful for parents to put them in a safe place for a little bit.

[00:32:18] But babies really should be on the floor using those muscles. And when they're in a container, then they're not using them so much. Just talking about that and some guidelines on what parents should be looking at as how much time they should be in containers, that sort of thing.

[00:32:36] So yeah, that's the gist of the newsletter is to give parents that kind of information. 

[00:32:42] Autumn Carter: Wow. That is super helpful. Thank you so much and the book link is in the description if you guys need it. And please share this with other parents or people who are hoping to become parents one day.

[00:32:57] This is very useful information [00:33:00] if you think of anybody. Share way, please. We wanna get this information out there for other parents. I know how hard it was for me struggling with my third child, figuring out what he needed. Even with my first of trying to hit those milestones early because the neighbor across the street was so I needed to keep up.

[00:33:20] And it reminds me of that Bluey episode. Where she is talking to her daughter about all the things that they did to try to get her walking faster and the grandmother trying, I think it was butter or something under the baby's knees. Don't try that by the way, but it was a really. Practical episode of this is what we go through As parents, I know I'm not the only one and I wish that I had this information sooner, so I would give myself that break with my oldest and then with my third have this to know what he needed and what I should be doing.

[00:33:59] It [00:34:00] would've made life so much easier. So highly recommend sharing it and please do and thank you. Trevor for being on with us and for sharing all of this information. It was very impactful. Thank you so much for having me on.

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