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Lysa TerKeurst, author, speaker, and president of Proverbs 31 Ministries, is no stranger to trauma. In this interview, she shares the difference between privacy and secrecy and how leaders can be appropriately vulnerable with their audiences and teams. David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof also discuss data on the mental and emotional impact of pastors during this season of disruption and offer tips on how (and with whom) to be vulnerable.