Menachos 105

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But Lamaysa, we are on Kvdanab Base. We're gonna start by the beginning of the Parak. We'll try to cover some ground today. Hare Allah Isarin. So back in Menachas. And we're dealing right now, we're knee deep. More than knee deep, really. We're nearing the end right here. And uh Kala Khavad, whoever's holding with the exact daff right here till now. But uh we'll continue along. And we're they're gonna discuss in the Mishnah different variations. If someone was Minadiv, he took upon himself to bring a carman mincha. But he wasn't sure exactly the type that he took upon himself to bring or the amount. He has something about what exactly he was Minadiv. So or what he took upon himself to bring. So what does he have to do? So he's gonna have to go the Khumra, we're gonna see. We're gonna see in certain situations what he probably meant, but he's gonna have to be Mikhayim, all the different possibilities of what he possibly meant. And that's what the Mishnah is saying, Aray alaisarin. Someone who said, Are I sarin? I am taking upon myself to bring in Isarin, classic mincha. Then this is a straightforward Allah the Gamar is gonna say pshita yovi echar. He just has to bring one, because I saw and that's singular. He has to bring one karma mincha, you're good to go. Israelinais, someone who said he's gonna take it upon himself to bring Istrainas, that's plural of minach, of Istrainas that could go into a karma mincha, then how much is how many israinas does he have to bring? Yovishnaim, then he has to bring two, and the reason is because we know that Istrainas is plural, and now miut rabim is always two. Miut Rabim is two, and if he said Israel nice, which is obviously a rabim, it's a plural number. So what's the mi'ut? What's the what's the minimum, what's the lowest plural number you could have? That's going to be two. So that's why he's gonna have to bring Shnaim over there. Pirashti Venia Dema Pirashti. What if he says, Pirashti, I was mefires exactly the amount of israinas that I'm gonna be bringing as part of this carbon mincha, but I have no idea how many I said I'm gonna bring. Now the is Yobi Shishim Isran. He has to bring 60 Israelis, and the reason is because that is the maximum shear that goes into a carbon mincha. And if you don't remember how ex how many exactly you were minade, then you have to bring 60. Harela, mincha. Someone who said he's gonna take upon himself a mincha. So he said mincha. I'm gonna bring a carbon mincha, but he didn't specify which one. We know there are five different types. There is the minhas soiles, minchas mahvas, minchas marches, and minhas machetana, which could be khalas or rakikin. So the point is there's five different types of minochas. And um he doesn't know exactly which one he brought. Now, these five we went through exactly throughout Msachas Minochas, exactly uh the different types. That's not the point over here. The point over here is that he doesn't know which one he was minadiv, so what does he have to bring? The allach is that Yov uh Yoveshir to he could bring whichever win whichever one he wants, they're all equal, and therefore he could choose his pick from one of the five. Rabiud? I'm a Rebueda says no. Yavi Mincha Saselash Muchedhibnachas. You have to bring the best one. What's the best one? That's a mincha sasalas. The reason you have to bring the mincha sales if you don't know, because that is the Muchedash Amanachas. It's the best one. We're gonna see in the Gemara why exactly that is. So the Tanakhama said again, you could choose whichever one you want. Rabi Yuda said, no, you have to bring the Mincha Sasellas because that's the Muchedhabinachas. Mincha, oi, minha mincha. What if he said, I am taking upon myself to bring a carbon mincha? Or he said minhamincha from a type of a carbon mincha. And each of these scenarios though are singular. He said, I'm bringing a mincha. That's not minochhois, it's mincha. Or min. It's not mincha as opposed to what we're gonna see in a minute. It's min hamincha. So that's one. And in these cases, yavi achas. He just brings one straightforward. Minnachois, oi min minochas. If he said I'm bringing up, I'm taking upon myself minachhois, plural. Oi min minochas, or a type of, so he didn't say mini minachas, but he said min one type, minochhois. But the menochon were plural, yavi stain. He has to bring two because again, minochas, the miyatrabim is two, and that's why he has to bring minimum two. Pirashdi me isti. What if he said, I, this is similar to the case before, but over here he's not saying I was mifharish how much I'm gonna bring. But I'm I was mitharish which exact carbon mink I'm gonna bring. One of the five. I was mitharish which one. Maybe I said a silas, maybe I said a machmas, but I don't know which one. I don't know which one I took upon myself. What does he have to do? Yodikhesh. And he has to bring all five. You don't know which one. You gotta bring all five. Pirashti mincha shall israinim. The eini idea comeshti. He said, I took upon myself and I was mitharish. Mincha shall israinim. How many to bring of a mincha shall israinim? Very similar to the first case. We're gonna see exactly what the difference is. But I don't know how much. I don't know how many Israelis I don't know how many israelis I took upon myself to bring. So Ya Vishim, again, like we saw before, he has to bring 60 because that's the maximum amount of Israelis that could go into a mincha. We're gonna see, did Rebbi not argue in the ratio? It's kind of the same case. The only difference, if you look at the cases, is over here he said pirashti minchash alisrainim. Over there in the other case where we said the same thing, he said he uh pirashti the iniada. He didn't say minhash alisrainim. I rather said israinais, but he doesn't know he didn't say minchhoshal israinus. That's the whole key difference we're gonna see in a minute. But either way, Rebbe says no. In this case, Yovi Minachal Israelis, me'achod shishim. Not only he doesn't have to bring 60, and that's it, he gets away with it. No. Minnachushal Israelis, me akhod shishim, he has to bring each type has from one to sixty. So he has to bring one that has one, one that has two, one that has three, one that has four, all the way up to sixty, and that's what he's gonna have to bring. Those are all the different combinations, because it really could have been any of those possibilities. We're gonna see the difference in a minute. Says the Gemara Pshitah. The first thing in the Mishnah is pretty partial, right? Haria Isarin, Ya Viach. Someone who takes upon himself, I'll bring an Israin as a common mincha, he has to bring one. Right, very straightforward. I'll bring one Isarin, so he has to bring one. Thank you very much. So the gimara, you're right, it's not the khidish. Israinas Yahistaim, it's we really needed it for the next line in the Mish. The next thing in the Mishnah was Israinas Yabishtaim. If he said it's rainis, that's the plural word, it doesn't mean two. He didn't say shte israinas, he said it's trainus. It's just plural. So we saw yes bring two. Because miotrabim is shain. That is the khiddish. That's it's trichle. It says I'm gonna marrympshita. That's also Pasha, right? Because it's strainess is generally gonna be more than one, so that's gonna be two. No. The kiddish is what kind of what we spoke out, that the miot israinis is stein. That it's not more. We're not gonna say that you have to be Hajjul Khuman, that he really meant when he said his trainus, that's plural, that he didn't mean two. He meant three, four, five. No. Miyat israinus is two, and that's what miot rabim is two, and that's why when he said his train is that's the kiddosh we're trying to bring out. That miot israinis is shaim, it's that's the kiddish over here, that you don't have to bring more. Two is gonna be enough because two is rabim, and you're good to go. Pirashti, the ini de ma pirashti, yabi shishim israin. So we saw in the Mishnah that when he said, I was an isharish, how many I'm gonna bring, how many israinas, but I don't remember what, so we saw that he has to bring 60 because that's the maximum amount. So, who's the Mishnah? It must not be like Rebbi. Why? Because we saw Rebbi Shita in the safe in the Mishnah. Rebbi said in the safet of the Mishnah, which sounded almost like the same case. The only difference was the word mincha, right? So Rebbi said in the sefa that what you have to bring 60 me'echodchishan. The first one is gonna be one, the second one is gonna be two, the next one is gonna be three, all the way till till sixty. It was a different sheetah so the raisha of the Mishnah that we don't have Rebbe arguing on, and we don't have a different Sheetah the Ratha the Mishnah that says you just bring 60 all together as one mincha, so you're gonna be good to go. So that seems not the like Rebbe, like we saw in the Seva. So it seems like the Risha is not like Rebi, Ammar Chiskia the Like Rabbi, the Rebbe, because if it's gonna be Rebbe, Amar Yabi Mirachash Sarah is nechmar shishim, as we just saw. So Rabbiaichnan Ammar Bihan says no, Afilutema Rebbi. So Rhiskia said it's not like Rebbe because it doesn't line up with the sheeta and the sepa. And Rabbychnan says no, Aphilutema Rebbi. We could even say that the Risha works with Rebbe. Why? Because I'll tell you the Risha is different than the Seipa. Aye, the Seifa Rebbe had a different sheetah, yeah, but the Risha is not talking about the same case. The Resha is talking about Pirashti Ashrenus on the Laikhavati Mikli. The Rasha's talking about a case where he was Mepharish Ashrinis, he doesn't remember how many, but the Laikhavat. He wasn't a Khaiveya into one cle. What does that mean? It's a Krashi. Rashi explains, therefore, Ya Vishishrainis, but Shishim Kalim. So he brings 60 astrainus in 60 Kalim, and you're good to go. Whereas in the Seifa, where he said the mincha, again, what was the key word, the difference in the seifah in that case that sounded the same? Pirashti Minchoshali Srainim. A minchaliinim, that already sounds different. That already, each mincha has to be different. Now it could be each combination. That's where Rebbe's gonna come in and say, no, first one has to be one, second one, two. Me echabat shisham. Every combination, three, four, five. Until one till sixty in each one. Whereas in the beginning in the raisha, we're talking about a totally different case. He wasn't clean, he wasn't code into one clean. And therefore, since it's not a one clean, it doesn't have to be talking about one uh one zakobe here. It could be 60 different kinem, that's why it's gonna work. He just has to bring six bring 60 as far as on the raisha, each one in a different klee, and you'll be good to go. Whereas in the safe again he said mincha, so that's gonna be that's gonna tell me why I have to that that's gonna be the difference over here, why he has to do the first one one, the next one two, the next one three, because each kley is gonna have to have um that other amount. Says the Gemara. So that's Rabbi Akhan. Rabbi's says it could even work with Rebbe because the Resha again is talking about a different case. Abu Lakavatum Klee, the mice sheetin uh is certain as Bishita Marib that he brings, because in the ratio, again, like we just explained outside, he's gonna bring 60 in 60 different kalim. So we saw if someone said minha. He takes upon himself a karma minha, but we don't know which one. So, or rather, he doesn't say, I don't know which one I was minadiv, no, he talks about himself San Minha. What's the allaha? That he brings whichever one he wants. We saw that it was a Tanakama. Rabbi Huda argued. Remudd said, No, he has to bring the Mincha Soiles. Why? Because that's the Miuchedah Shibnachas, it's the best one. If it's the best one, he's gonna have to bring that one. Says the Gemara. Tana. So we have a brass that explains why is the Mincha Sailes the best one, as according to Sheeta's Remuda. Because the Pasik talks about it first. When the Pasik starts on a minachas, it talks about the Mincha Silas first, and that's why it's the Muchedashiminah. Says the Gemara, really? Just because the Pasik said it first, that makes it the best. If so, then Aimir alai, oyloh, Yovi ben bakar, someone who said harai oilah stam, he took us upon himself to bring a carbonylla. And he said it's stam. He didn't say which uh type of carbonala it could be. It could be anything, it could be a ben bakar, it could be different types of animals, it could be an if. As we know, there's a this could be all different types of things. So if he doesn't say what he meant, what should he have to bring? Yovi ben baker, should he have to bring a ben bakr? Hayel Pasakbahila, because again, what did the posak say first as relates to a karbanaila? A ben bakar. That's the next thing. Whatever, look in the Psalm. Ben Bakr is first. Um, and therefore, according to the same logic, if we're gonna tell you that the what makes it the best is whatever the posak said first, then when someone stamps said in a so you should have to take the best one, which is gonna be the first one, which is a ben bakar. And also minat soin, if he said minat sain, which just narrows it down a little bit more. But minat sign can mean a kevas, and it could mean and it can mean an a's, and therefore it can mean different things, and therefore, so if he said minat sein, what should we say he has to bring? Yavi keves. He should have to bring a kevas and adanase. Hoyal pasabah, because the pasik says that first. And also, mina oif, if he stamp says, I'm bringing an aylah from an oif, oil's a oif, but he doesn't say which type of oif, what should he have to bring? Yavi tairim. He should have to bring tairim and not. Why? Hoyalu pasakbahilh because the pasik talks about tayrim first. Alamat'nan, by the way, maybe you're gonna tell me, yeah, Fshataka, maybe that's the aloha that he does. If he says it's stam, you're gonna have to bring the best one. So if you say stam and alah, you're gonna have to bring a ben baker. If you say staminat, you're gonna have to bring a kevas. If you say stam uh oifais, then you're gonna have to bring uh tyrim and abnaia, I know. Maybe yes, as gimmicks not true. Because Alamatan, why do we have in the Mishnah? Hare'al oyloh yovi Kevas. Because the Mishnah literally says someone who says harla oilah doesn't explain which one, he has to bring a Kev's. Kevas is not the first one of the Pasik. The Ben Baker was the first one of the Pasik. So we know this is not true. If I'm a Zara, I'm a Torah Banyana. He could even bring a Tara or a Banyana, but like Palaq Rabbi, and Rabbiuda doesn't argue over there. So if you're gonna tell me that the reason of Rabbiuda will be here, that's saying that if you said I have to bring a uh you took upon yourself a karma mincha, you didn't say which one. Rabbiuda says you have to bring the mincha because it's the Muchhadesh Mimunach, the best one. And we brought uh we started the Guevara. What does that mean? It's the best one because the Pasik says it first. Really? That makes it the best one. I just showed you a bunch of cases where Rabuda doesn't necessarily say the same thing. And even though he said it's stam, harai oiloh, we're not gonna tell you you have to bring the best type of because that's the first one in the posak. No, the first one doesn't mean it's the best one. You have to know how this sugiya, by the way, reconciles with other suyas where we seem to say a similar thing. Uh, famous one is by Mar, right? The Mishnah lists different types, different things you could be like say Marwa. The first one is Chazaris, lettuce, and there's uh there's different types. Ulshin, marr, bahulu, marr's like the last one on the list, whatever Mara means. But it's the the plant that's considered by, but the Allah isn't brought down in the Shochanarah, that the first one you go after the kadima. The first one is the best one. The next, if you don't have lettuce, if you don't have chazaris, that's the best one, then you go to the next one in the Mishnah. So you have to know where this may maybe because we're talking about Posak. The Pasik said it first, but also we still find this Indian that the Pasak, whichever the first one in the Posik. I think we find one of the classic places by uh by the Shiva Saminan, right? Erskito Sarah Gafina, you go after the ordinan of Posik. Oh, pasach by a kas of Thilah that makes it more Mi'uchad, right? Miyuchadh Shabb uh Shab Minochas. The point is, over here, we don't seem to see that. We're falling off. You we tried saying because it's first, that makes it the best. Really? I have other places where it's first, and we don't really seem to be mashivid anymore. Like in the case of Isla we just brought. So says the Gemara, Ella, my Muchedh Menachas. You're right. That's not the reason. The reason that said it's the best one is not because it says the first and the posik. You just proved it to be wrong from the case of the Ayla, where we saw in the Mishnah you don't have to necessarily bring the first one in the Posik. And therefore, what is the reason that he holds Muchhadish Mahwa is Ma'Muchedish Ma Manachas to Leslay Shamelavai? It just means that it doesn't have its own nickname. Meaning the is not called stammincha, right? Someone who says, uh, I'm gonna bring a minhas machas, he's gonna say minhas machvas. It doesn't have its own, it's not just called a mincha. A carbon, a minchailas is just called mincha. That's the point. It doesn't have a sham levi. It's not really called Minchasel, it's called Mincha. A karba mincha sales, that's what it's referring to. If you say, uh, if you meant the Minchas Mach uh Marcheshes, you would say Minchas Marcheshes. That's the Sham Levi, that's the nickname and specific name that it has. And therefore, man you had a shame minach because Stam is going to be the Minchas, but that's the Shem Levi, it doesn't have a nickname. Okay, so that's what we meant. So if you said Stam said a mincha, you meant a mincha sales. Makes a lot of sense. But I hear you just changed around the reason, but that's not what the Bryce said. The Briceh literally said because the Pasik said it first. So you just had old cash on that. I find places where the Possik said it first, that doesn't make it the best. Okay, but the Bryce literally said that's the reason over here. Trying to tell me no, that's not the reason. The reason is because it doesn't have a sham levi. But the Bryce literally said that's the reason because it's the first one in the Pasik. So it's a commercial. This is what the Bryce means to me. It means to say. That doesn't have which one doesn't have a nickname and it's the best one. It's Sama Mincho, that's gonna be the Mincha Silas. Zusha Pasakbaya Kasaskila. You wanna know which one that is? The one that the Pasik said first. So it's uh it's it's what's it called? It's a simmon, it's not a siba, right? It's a it's a way you know, meaning which one is the best one because it doesn't have a sham levi? Oh, the first one in the passo. So the first one in the pasik is a simon. Oh, that's the best one. It's not the best one because it's the first one in the pasik. It's which one is the best one? Oh, the one that happens to be the first one in the pasik. It's a simmon. How do you know which one? It's the first one in the pasik. It's not the reason it's the best. And that's the point. Uh mincha sales, Kamar. Says Gemara, okay, but why do I have to give you a simon? You're telling me that it's coming to tell me a simmon, not a sibo, right? You want to know which one is the mincha sales, first one in the pasik. Why do you need to tell me? We literally said mincha ha sailas. If we called it the mincha ha sailas, then why do you need to tell me? By the way, mincha, it's the first one in the posik. Shgay, you spelled it out to me, the mincha sailes. I don't need to look up in the posik which one is first. You already said the word mincha ha soilis. So says the gimara! Simon Baama, you're right. It's a sim in Baama. And then the day minachas gets complicated sometimes. It's a sim in Ba'ama, and you're right, you probably would have known that. But we gave you a sim, and you want to know which one? It's going to be the first one in the posak, which is the Minhas Ha soiles. Aye, but what makes it? I mean, Khadashman Minachas, not the fact that it's first, that's a simon, by the way. That's it's the first one, happens to be. If it was the third one, I mean we would tell me which one is the best one? The third one in the Pasuk. Over here, it happens to be first, so we said the first. What makes it special? The fact that it makes it special is that it doesn't have the shame levi, it doesn't have a nickname. Stam Mincha is gonna be the Minhas Ha Soiles, and that is Sheitas Rebihuna. Mincha Minha Mincha. So we saw in the Mishnah that if you formulate it different ways, right? I'm bringing them uh I take upon myself a carbon mincha or a minha mincha. So you have to bring how many? One, because that's singular. Mincha. Minha mincha. You didn't say mini minachos, right? Minachos are different types of minachos. We saw the minha you have to bring two. Okay, so says the gimmara, let's try to bring different formulations of how this can present itself. Why Rapabla? Rapabla has the following. What if you said mini mincha? So this is interesting because min is plural, but mincha is singular, right? Types, mine of mincha. So you didn't say mine minach, he said mini mincha. So you have plural, then you have singular. So Mao, how many does he have to bring? Kive number, mini tarti. Since he said mini, which is types, it's plural, so he has to bring two. Tarti gamar. Umay mincha, so why did you say mincha? If you're gonna tell me it means two, so why did you say mincha, which is singular? Because by the way, all the minachas is called uh mincha in the singular. So sometimes you have tons of minachas that are called mincha. Singular. Where do we find that? This is the tarah the mincha. Are we only talking about one type of mincha in the pasik? No, we're talking about allcha' minachas. And we said Zar's Tarz Hal Mincha. So we find where mincha can mean multiple minachas. But uh but mini mincha, so that maybe means two. Oi Dilma, or maybe when he said mini mincha, came with the omar mincha khada. Khadimincha kamer. Maybe since he said mincha, he didn't say minachas. Maybe he meant khadominchamar, he meant one. So why did he say minah different types? Uh my mini mincha, khak karma, min mina, mincha, khadimin khala. He was saying from the different types, he's a land then. He knows there's different types, there's five different types. So me mina mincha, from the different types that there are, I take upon myself one. So that's what he meant. So, what did he mean in this case? So again, we're gonna try to be pushy at this bay of papa that when he said mini mincha, very misleading. Minh is plural, mincha is singular, how many does he have to bring? We could see it both ways, like we just saw. Tosh, but I'll try to bring you a right from a min from a brace. Mincha. Minmincha. So, first of all, this is from the Mishnah, sorry. We saw in the Mishnah that minch mincha, min mincha, if you said mincha singular, or min mincha, which is also both singular, yabiakus, it brings one. What's the diuk? The diik is only here it's gonna bring be one. Ha mini mincha, but if he says not min mincha, if he says mincha, then shaim he should have to bring two. It says not a diuk, because I am a sefa, I'll bring you the safer in the Mishnah. Minnachhois, min minochus, if he said min minachos, which is the exact opposite, min is singular, and minach is plural. Over there, Yabi Shaim has to bring two. What is the diuk out of there? Ha mina mincho chada. Then if he said mina mincha, not minem minachhos, then he has to bring only one. So Elamih, the mashmi know. You're right. From the Mishnah, the ratio is mashma one way, the safer, the dyk from the seva is mashma another way. Leka the mash mini mina, you cannot bring a riot from here. Tashma, I'll bring you another. I couldn't bring it from the Mishnah. Now I'm gonna try it from a price. Min Minochois Allah. If he says min minochas alai, so that's again min is singular. Minochas plural, alai, yabi shame minach minoch. He has to bring two minach from one min. So because he said min minochhos. Minachos is plural, he has to bring two, but from one min. Hom mi min mincho, what's the diak from there though? If he said mi mini mincha, then that's not the case of min minochhois. If he said mi mini mincha, mincho is singular, you should have to bring one. Seems to be pointed in one way. It says, No. You can't make that diak because it's not necessarily the final diak. Because Dilmaha minem mincha, maybe ste minach me sne minim. Maybe the diak is that if you didn't say min minachhois, where I told you you have to bring two minachas from one min, but you said mini mincha, maybe over there it means the exact opposite, that it would be different. You're right. The diak is different in that case, but it's not different that you only have to bring one. It's different that you have to bring stei minachas mishtei minim, two minachas from two minim, not two minachas from one min, like I just told you, whenever you said min mincha. Mincha, maybe like we saw before, Zoy's terasa mincha means plural. And you said mini, so you have to bring from two different minim, two different minachas. Maybe that's the diak. Valaitaniak. He says, Okay, but that's not true. Because we saw that the aloha is the min minochas alai, maybe ste minach minachas. We know that's not true because we saw if he says min minoch alai, maybe shteminach minoch that we just saw, mini minoch alai, if he saw, if he said mini minachas, that's plural plural, he was good to go, then maybe ste minachas mi. Then he brings two minochas from two different types. What's the diak from there though? That only if he said mi name minochas, he's gonna bring two from two. But if he only said minim minha, not mineminachas, then khada, then he would have to bring one. So it comes, it seems he could be pushing it from here. So the game are no because don't be pushing it according to that tanakama from Papua's Bay. What would be the aloha? Maybe that's she to R Shimin. Why would Rib Shimani be different? Holds a khidish that we that came up throughout Masakh's Menachas. That is it relates to the Minchas Ma'afe Tanur, which we know you could either bring from Matsais or you could bring from Khalois. So Rab Shimon held a special khidish that you can bring, you can bring if you want to bring half of it uhless, mechanikin. If you want to bring half of it chalais, and half of it Rakiken, you could, and you'll be good to go. And therefore what? Therefore, according to Ribshiman, has that changed anything? Because according to Ribshiman Sorry, I just skipped a little bit. One second. So what did he mean when he said mini mincha? Mincha de ispa tre mini. He just means one mincha, one carbon mincha, that has two types within that one mincha. What is that? That's according to Ribbshim, because according to Reb Shiman, you could have two types. You could have half of it chalice, half of it rachikin. Again, the mincha'machfitana needs ten breads. Now, those breads that all have to be the same or not. According to the Tanakhama, yeah, according to the Rebishman, no, you could mix it up. Half matze is half half rakiken, half chalas, you'll be good to go. So maybe he meant over here, now it's only one mincha in the end of the day, but it's going like a shimon, where you could have different types. Me ne mincha, you could have different types within one carbon mincha. But the Rabban, but according to Rabana, they don't agree with that. Damri mech'ha's mechanic, and loyavi, that he can't do that. He can't mix it up, then maybe shaman aches mishame minimum. Then yeah, it would be a good deak, and according to the Rabanah, maybe they would actually hold over here that uh meaning you wouldn't be able to prove anything. That maybe is only in Rab Shiman. But the Rabbana, no, they would hold that you actually would have to bring Sheiminacheminim, not like we just tried to prove, because maybe that deak you just brought is only in Rabshiman. They would say, no, two Minochas from two different minimum. Pirashdi Venedeyama Pirashdi Yovi Kamishman. So if he said I was Mitharsh, next case in the Mishnah was Mitharish, I said which minha I'm gonna bring one of the five. But I don't remember which one of the five that I said I was gonna bring. What does he have to do? He has to bring all five. What's gonna be the question? The Gemara? Why only five? You should have to bring more. I there's only five. Yeah, but we're gonna see according to the Bishim, there can be different types, different combinations, and therefore you're gonna have to bring more. A little bit of math, not gonna be hard. Says the Gemara, um, Virmi, Virmiya said, the like a bishim, this seems to go not like. The fact that you only have to bring five if you have a suffix, that's not like a Bishman. Why? De Kerbashiman, the Bashiman, because if you're gonna tell me it's like a B Shimon, the sheet that's shimmon, we just saw that he holds it. You could do mechtah and mechan mechta, right? So came number mechtah chal's mechanta rakiken since he holds that as it relates to the minhas mafetan. You can bring in half mat, hefchal is half rekichin, yavi, then inami sublack rebuddh. So even if Rabshiman holds like Rebuda, who's Rabyuda? What? So we're talking about there's a mechlika ser Mayor in Rabbi Huda about how many loaves you have to bring. Very simple. Remer holds 12, Ribudah holds 10. So it's gonna be less of a question in Rubihuda. So the point in the Gemara is Vada if he holds like Remer. But even if he holds like Rebihuda that you bring 10, the Amar Kabanach's Bali says that you bring 10 breads along with the Manachas, then he kills the Spookabara Basre. Then why didn't you tell me in the Mishnah when he doesn't know which mincha he chose? He has to bring all five, you should have to bring all fourteen. What's the fourteen? What's the chasbin? The chasbin's like this. Rib Shimin holds, you could bring the minchas machitanar, mechzah, chaleis, mechza rakikin. So that's five five. You would think, what does that mean? It means you have five and five. That's one option. Mechzah chalas, machar rakikin. Five chalas, five rakikin, but it's not true. It really means you could do any combination of those. So you could have one chala and nine rakikin. You have two chalis and eight rakikin. You could all you can mix and match however you want according to the Bashiman. And therefore, if you do the combinations, do the math yourself. You come out with nine possibilities of how you could add this mincha mafitanor, some of it chal is, some of it rakikin. It comes out nine different possibilities. So you have nine different possibilities according to the Bashiman from the Minchas Mafitanor. Then you have the five original regular ones, five plus nine is gonna be fourteen. So it comes out if you have a subject of which one according to the Beshimon, it seems, says the Gemara delike Ribshiman. Because if it was like Ribshim, you should have to bring fourteen, because that's all the possibilities. Abaiam Rafilut Shimon. Abai says, no, it can even be going according to Ribshiman. Because Shami and Laird Rab Shimon are micey umasni. Because we find within Sheetah Subshiman that he holds that you could bring a carbon mincha, even if you don't have the right combinations, but you could bring a few and make it and make it tanai that whatever the right combination is, that's what I really meant. And that's gonna work together. Where do we find such an ini? So Rib Shim and Rem Rib Shimon says, Lemahras me vi ashamoy velugo imai. What is this talking about? Ain't Rashi, this is talking about someone who's uh, not to get into the slughib, someone who's a nazir tameh, or really he has a suffic if he's a nuzir if he was a nazir tame. So a nazir that becomes tame has a whole tahara process, he has to bring karbanis, and then he has to start again. The point is that he has to eat uh he has to he has a whole tahara process until he where he has to bring karbanis to be Matir im Bachilas Khajim. Now this person is a sufik if he's a nazir tummy, and he's also uh he doesn't know if he's a mitzari mokhlot. So this guy's got major problems. How is he gonna get out of it? You can't just bring your cabanas. Normally, if you know what your situation is, you bring your cabanis, you get out of it. You can eat khajim. This guy, if you're a suffoc, maybe you're not gonna be able to do anything. So watch the pitaron. So Rib Shimon says, the machrs, the next day, maybe ashama vilugahimi. What he does is like this he brings everything out tonight. He brings the ashram, the ashram, asham mitzairah, right? Viluga'ima, and uh, that's the like shalom mitzairah as we know. So he brings the like shaman along with it. This is gonna be the like sham and shamatzaira. And if I'm not a mitzaira, then asham ze yeah sham in a dava. Then this asham should really be a carbon shlom. It should be a shaman dava, it should be a nadava. The oise asham and the asham, by the way, now the halach is by the way, how do you have to bring the ashram? So each carbon is brought differently. As we know, Lairi Zekarizeh each one is brought differently as different alakas. So you have to bring this carbon that's either an asham, asham mitzairah, or it's uh shalmani dava. You don't know if it's a carbon shlomim or a karman ashim. You have to bring it like the khumras of everything. You have to take all the khumras. So what do we do? So the aysa ashim, ton shiitab it's alfin. It needs shritah bitsafin, like regular karci kadashin. Shlom is not kachikadash, as we know. Shlomim you could do it anywhere in the Azar. We learned this already. So Ashram is Ton Shita Bitzafan. You need to do the shiita in it's alfin, like a regular karmic asham. That's like the khumra of an ashram. Um matan behunis, it needs the matan mahunas on the mitzaira, like the like considering it like the it's the regular ashera, putting it on the thumbs, bain yada, right? As we know. This past week's parasha, I think. Oh yeah. Um smicha, and you need smicha, you have to do smicha, this is like a shlomun, you do smicha for a shlomun. Also, the tnub is chazabishik, these are all things we would do for a shlomun. That's like the khumra of a karb and osham. And liom velaila, it's also eaten liyom velaila only for one day and one night. That's like an ashum, right? Because uh carbon shlomim is eaten for two days and one night. The af algavder kamafrik mar. So what do we see over here? We see over here that Ribshiman holds that you could bring an al Tanai. So says the Gemara no it can also work with Reb Shimon. Aye, Ribshiman holds 14 different uh combinations, so you should have to bring 14. No, Ribshimon's also gonna be masking over here. Maybe it could be Ribshiman. The I you have to bring five? Yeah, you bring five, but you you're you're you do it al Tanai that whatever is the right combination over here, the Khalas, the Rikikin, whatever is the right combination, that's what should be starved together within these five, uh, come to the right number. And since the game are the up, we got the come after marabhita skochim, and even though we had a question in Shitaskim, otherwise known as Zvachim, right? Shitaskochim, Shachting of Khim is Zvachim. What's Shitaskulin? That's Kulin. A lot of the Rishannim referred to Hulin as Shachitaskulin. So Shitas Kachim is Vakim that we already learned. Sheitas Kulin Habalin Rufaba. But either way, even though we had a question in Zvachim, then Aimadamar Rib Shimin Balmadia in the Khathilaloi, even though Rib Shimin. Sorry, sorry, skip the line. Then maybe Rib Shimon only said as a lacha that you could bring it al Tanai if it's coming for a big purpose. He's stuck, he doesn't know he's a he's a suffic nuzir tame, suffik, mitzar muchlat, he's he's in a he's an erupt, this guy, he doesn't know what to do. And if you don't let him bring his karbanis al Tanai, he's gonna be stuck in this place forever. You can never catch him, he's always gonna be a so who are you? Sufik, nazir, tameh, I don't know. I mean in between plays. So maybe the takune gavra, to fix this guy, Rib Shimon allows you to do this tonight. Abu B Alma, but stam to do it over here, Minachis. The evan in the khathilalai. Only if it was done by the evan, meaning you already have two karbanis that already got mixed in. That's when you could bring it al Tanai. But but the khatkhilah to go and do that, the khatkilalai is gonna tell you can't do that. Even though we asked that, and that's what we said already about Sheeta's Ribshiman. So maybe over here we're not gonna be able to be able to do it on Altanay. So you can't answer that for a Bashiman that it really means five also according to the Bashiman, just do Altanaya. No, Hanimili Gabe Shloman. That's only true, that it's only gonna be le tekune gavro, so maybe you wouldn't be able to say that over here, and we said only Bidi Evid we would say such a thing. So how are you telling me over here by Menachos we're gonna do it like it's not coming like a tekunegavra? It's like, no, that wouldn't apply over here. Why? Because that's only true that limitation is by a shlomin. It's a combined bachilasan. Because what's gonna have to happen if you do that by a karma slumin, you're doing it all tonight, you don't know what it is. You're being min mait b'achilasan, you're limiting the amount of time it could be eaten. Shlomim could be eaten for two days and one night. Uh, ashram can be eaten only for one day and one night. And therefore you're being min mait in the achilh in the time you could eat the shlomim if it's really a shlomim. And what why is that so bad? Because it's gonna come out, you're gonna not gonna have enough time to eat, and it's gonna go and kutchim to the base upsol, which is a terrible problem. You could even do this lakhathilah to do it al tnayan, interchange it. We'll hold that over here, lichaim, get shabis.