Chulin 19

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At Kurandov Yud Tes. We're gonna start with a new sugi over here. About 15 lines, maybe 16 from the top of Yud Tes Omnalif. Amravuna Amrav Asi. Machlekes Bisheshokat Shne Shlish Vihigrim Shhlush. So what are we talking about? We're talking about the Mishnah where we had on Yudchasim and Alif, the Mishnah towards the bottom. We had a machlekes between the Tanakama and Rebysi Baryhuda. Whereas the Tanakhama said that if you shachhted roiv of the shkita bemakam, the case was again where you shafted roivav it bemachama roi, roiv of it in a place that you're allowed to do the shkita in the uh in the right put proper place, and a little bit of it you did hagramma. Hagramma we know is the primary soul that we're talking about right now. It's one of the alukhas Mesh Misinai where you shachted out of bounds. Basically, that's what a hagram means. There's a certain place where you're supposed to do the shita, and you shachted, you kind of maneuvered and went out of bounds where you're not supposed to do the sharkita. So what if you did only part of the shahitah uh with hagramma? And you did only part of the shit out of bounds. That was the machik between the Tanakhama and Ribes Bari Yuda, the Tanakhama said that if you did it Raiv, Bimakah in the right place, but if uh a little bit of it was a grama, it's gonna be psula, whereas Ribas Bar Yuda said, No, you got Raiv, that was in the right place, you're good to go, and it's gonna be kosher. With that, we start off that Ravhuna says, Amarhuna, in the name of Ravasi, that the whole machik is between the Rabbanan and Rabesbay, Huda Bishashokhashne Slish Vegrim Shlish, where you did two-thirds of it, a proper Gita Shita, and the Hagramma part of it where you went out of bounds was only one third. You need the entire shita to be in the right place, which is the bas gedila. And Rabas Vari Yuda Sava, Rebs Bay Yuda holds Rubai Kulah. That's gonna be Rubikakule. That's mom's alright. Either way, Rabes Maryuda holds a rubaka, and then the day you don't need the entire thing, you just need a rubai kakulaye, as long as you got most of it, two-thirds of it in the proper place, and you did shtita in the tabas gidal, which is where you're supposed to be doing it, that's gonna be good. Abel. So that's where the machlik is according to the bhuna. Again, you did two-thirds of it the proper place, and one third of it you get a gramma, or a buttonhole, you need the entire thing, so it's not codabias maryuda says, as long as if it got rife, rubai kakula, you're gonna be good to go. Abul, higrimshlish, visha chnishlish. But in the reverse case, now again the ratios are the same. But this is the reverse case that you did it in the opposite order. The psal part of it, the agramma, you did in the beginning in this part. So higrimshlish, the first third of the shit, you did in the wrong place. You did a gramma. So then you remove you maneuvered away and you did it in the right place, the last two thirds you landed in the right place. That divira called psulah, everyone is gonna agree, even Remissum Yehuda's gonna be mask him, then it's gonna be psula. Why? The kinafka chiusa, but in a rub iskita bala. Because at the point that the that the life leaves, kinafka kyusa, when the khias leaves, when it dies, at that moment you need to have the ruba bishkrita. You need most of it to have the riv done with a kosher ishkita, and you don't have that over here. Now, why not? Because you know when does the animal die? When is it considered kinafka kyusa? When Riv of the Simon is severed. If Raiva of the Simon is severed, that's when Kina Kinafka Hiusa. Now, if you did it two-thirds of a shita k shera, and the last third you did a grama, very good. So two-thirds are gonna be a rev, and that was kinafka kyusa. You had a ruba bishkhita, and then you were good to go. But if you have the first one, or in this case the first one was a grama, and then the last two-thirds, you're gonna tell me you have Raiva Gud Shita. Yeah, but you have Riv of a Gud Shita at the end. That's not Kinafka Kiyusa. Because when was Kinafka Hiyusa? When did the animal die? That was when you did Riv of the Simit. When you did Riv of the Simon, that's even before you finished doing the last two-thirds of the Shita. That's when you got Riv of the Full Simon. So that's gonna be the first third of a Gramma plus the next third of the regular Gud Shita. Is that Ruba Bishkita? No, it was already Kinafka Kiyusa, but before you got to the last third, that was also Bishkita. You're right. So in general, high level, yeah, you did Riv of it with the Kushra Shita. But by the time you got to Kinafka Hiyusa where it died, because that's when you shachta through Raiva the Simon, you don't have that. Kinafka Kiyusa, be in a ruba bishkita valaka, you don't have ruba bishita, because at that point it died as soon as you you cut through uh already the first third of the kashrahishkita. Why? Because you already did a one-third the gramma, which was a problem. So you have one half, one third of it that's a grama, the next third of it that's uh kushra shita. That's not Rubah Bishkita. It was already Kinafka Khiyusa, you're gonna be a problem, and that's why everyone is gonna hold, even Rebray's Maryuda's gonna hold in that case, according to Rabuna, that it's gonna be a problem. Ramreley Rchizdah. Rukhizda, who's a Tamarahuna, said that Aderabha. Lima Mar Ibka, I think that that the Ma Rebbe, I think you should say the opposite. If anything, Aderaba, I could say the exact opposite of what you said. That what? That machik is Keshehigrimshlish Vishokat Shneishlish. The whole Machlaikas we had between Rabes Ber Yhuda who said it's okay, and Ramana said it's not okay. That's only when you did the Agrama first. You did the first Shlish Mahagrama. Keshagrium Shlish Bishhof Shne. And then the last two-thirds you did Bikashkita. Why? The Rasibra Yehuda Sabah needed to have a chatikana pog. Rasibra Yhuda's gonna hold it's okay in its kosher. Why? Because it's very similar to the case of Hatsikana Pagam. What's the case of Hatsikana Pagam? So we know the two simonum, obviously, you have to shaft. There's a conne and the veshet. The veshet, we're gonna see, is completely gonna be a trefa even if you have a tiny neck. If you have a tiny neck of in the neck in the in the veshet, problem, trefa, that's it. Whereas by the kone, you can even have a chatsi konapagum. Even if half of it was mama slit already, it's not necessarily a trefa. And it's gonna be kosher, you're gonna be able to shacht it and finish off the shit. Half of it, again, chatsi kona pogger, half of it is already is already pogum through, it doesn't render it a trefa. Again, it's different by the veshhet, the veshet, even a tiny bit. But by the kone, chatsi kone pogum is still gonna be kosher. Even if half of it was already pogam, it's gonna be okay. So if you have a neqv in the kone, so what happens? He goes and you do a shritah because we said it's gonna be okay by chat, uh, pogum. If you have half of it that's pogum, it's gonna be okay. So he goes ahead and does a shita. Um and he's mashlin' that to rive basically because you have half of it that's already has uh cut through it. Now, when you do a shrita in that place, you're basically mashlam it to a rive. You go, you have to shaft the right of the cement, as we know, and you go, you continue through that slit and you shuffle a little bit more. So what did you just do? You just finished off that rive, and it's gonna be a good shritah. So why does Ruby Smar you to say in this case, according to the Bhizdah, that the home ach like this is where you did the first shlish al-yedei Hagrama? So the first slish was not good, and but the last two are gonna be good. Why? Because at the time that you finished off the rive, it was a Kusharishita. You did it because it's the same exact thing as Khati Khanapagam, whenever you have a Khatikana Pagam, the Khaneth, half of it was already Pagam, and you finished off the Shitha by the time you get to the Rive, it wasn't done by you. It was mostly done by the Pog by the Pagima it already had. Now you finish along, and what you make it into a rive, your Khashirashita now makes that Pagima that was Chati now, makes it into a rive. That's why it's gonna be okay, so it's gonna be the same case. That's why Ravuna, well or Ravyhuda rather would hold it's gonna be okay. Whereas Rabban and Raman are gonna say that no, you can't compare it to the case of Chati Karapagam. Because Hasa Makam Shita. Over there, in the end of the day, you're doing shit wherever you could do the shita. And wherever you could do the shita is you're doing it in the proper place. Aye, you have uh you have a question, is it considered a tra? No, the answer is no, it's not that Vashhet, it's allowed to be Hatzi Karapagim. It's not. So what are you doing? You're doing shrita in the proper place, and that's why it's gonna be okay. Hokhalla Makam Shita. Over here, you did a grumma in the beginning. A grumma is baklam not in the proper place, it's not in the proper place in the shita, and that's why they're gonna say it's gonna be possible. It's not comparable to that case. Avo. However, this is Raphizda talking. That whole machuk is between the the machikas we had between the Rabbanan and Brasabrayuda. That's only in that case. Avul, but in this case, that shakhashne shri sh behigrem shaesh, but in the appeared in the reverse, where you first did the first two thirds Aideh Shituk Shera. And the last third you did Aydeah Gramadivra Kok Shaira. Everyone is gonna agree, even though I button are gonna hold in that case is gonna be okay. Why? Because we learnt in the Mishnah, Ruba Shachat Kamayu, that Rumba Riv of something is considered just like it, and the Rabbanani are also gonna agree to Riv over here because it's in the first Mishnah. Rubashalach at Kamayo. We see that there's an Indian of Raiv and then today you did the first two Ay Day. Shitak Shah, so you're good to go. You did Rival the same day Shit Shaira. The last part was on Grama, I don't care. Ruba Kekula, even our abundant are gonna agree. That's what Rabizda said. But I'm gonna let Ruby saf. Ruby sev answered back to Raphizdah You're bringing me a rayah. From this Mishnah we just quoted, Ruba Shalakh at Kamayu, that even their abundant are gonna agree in a case, Ruba Kakula it's gonna be okay, says the Gamara, man named Alan, says Rabysaf, man named Alan that who rubed the hossum, la m rebus are yuda, katani lah. How do you know that that mission you just quoted me was not Rebecca Yuda? You're bringing that to show me even our abundant are gonna agree by Raiv? Who said maybe that Mishnah is Rebecca Yuda and it's not sheetas or abandon? Maybe it's not because sheetas rebusteruda, but I'm in a buy. By answer back to Ribyasiv that I don't understand the taino. You're gonna tell me that Mishnah that you quoted for Riv is only Rasibra Yuda? What does that mean? That Otu Ko Rubid the Amor Rebecca Berihuda Katani? What? So you're gonna tell me Ruby Sibarihuda is the Sheetah of all Rives in the Tyra? Anytime you get to Raiva, it's only Rasibryuda. The are not gonna agree. Is that what you're trying to taina? What? Because you said that that Mishnah, maybe it's only Raz of Mary Yuda. What? You think the Rabana don't agree Bihla to Raiv at all? Is that could that be? Says Gemara Amalia, answer the back. No, I know Rubid is Shita Kamina. This Shamanadulud Deflighi. I was only talking about the Raiv as it relates to Shitha. Shhita could be different. And as it relates to Shita, that's what I was saying. Maybe it's only Rasibra Yuda. Maybe there are Banan by Shita, don't hold the V Raiv. Maybe that's the maybe that's the case. I'm not saying call it or kula. Maybe there are bananas by Shikita, don't hold the variety. And this Mishnah you found by Shita that says Rev is a thing, maybe that's only Rasibra Yhuda. Why would he say such a thing? The Shaminud, the plea, because we know that Rabesmaryhuda argues as it relates to Revi, argue on the Khham, that was our Mishnah. That as long as you got through most of it, you're gonna be okay. Even if you had a Mia that was done by a drama, it's gonna be fine. So we see the Shaminud, we see Rebes Mayuda has the Shita by Shita, maybe the Rabbanan argue, and maybe that Mishnah you tried to bring to show that the Rabbanan agree is really only Shita Surah Yudha, so it's not a right. So that's the game about this whole back and forth, Rabchizdah, Rahuna, or Rahuna first, then Rabchizdah, about what the Mahlikis is. Again, the two versions was, is it, or rather the argument was is the machikis between Rebezayuda and the Chaham and whether it's gonna be okay or not. Is that the ma is that machikis as it relates to where you did the first two Ayyudeh Shitakh Shera and the last Lish was done by Agramah or the opposite? The first Ayudehrahma and the last two Ayudeh Shitak Shah. Rahuna said one way, Rhizah said the other, and now with that Lishnah Khrina Amilah, another lush, we're just gonna have everything we just said just in the reverse names. Meaning the they're each gonna take each other's shitas. That Amrlah, Lishnachina Amilah, Amr Ravuna, Amr Avasi, Rafuna said the name of Ravasi. Machlekis Kishihigram Shlish Vishokat Shne Slish. The whole Machlekis we had in the Mishnah between your base of Maryuda and the robot is when you did the first third Al Gedea Gramma. You did it in the wrong place, it was possible. And then you did a Kashra Shita, you maneuvered, you did a Kashra Shita for the next two thirds. They're basic Mary Hudayhuda suffered meaning to have a Hatikana pogam. The basebare is gonna be hold it's okay. Why? Because it's like Hatsikana Pagam. That I you started off the Shita without grama, so it's possible. So what? Just like Hatsikana Pagam, where Hatha was already, uh was already pogam through it, already had a nekiv through the kana, it's gonna be okay. You just have to be mash limit to arrive with your shita. So to have here, you started off without grumma, so you even have less than Hatsikana pogam. You have a shwish that's pogam, and now you mash limit to arrive with your shitta. Go through, it's gonna be fine, but it's very it's gonna hold its kosh. Again, what's the difference over there? You didn't shake the cloud in the right place, you start off by grumma, which is the wrong place. That's what a grahma means. Says the Gemara Abo. But in the case of Shachashneh Shish Vegram Shish, but in the opposite case, where you started off with the first two thirds, never kashra shita, and the last third Ali they are grammar, the veracure, everyone's gonna hold its kosher. Why? Because we have a Mishnah, Ruba Shachar Kamayu, that rife is Kikula, and therefore even the Rabbanan are gonna agree, it's gonna be okay. And on that, of course, masculine are Chizda. On this asks on that, then man named Lenda, Urubida Hasam Lama Rebes of Maryuda. Katani La, you're bringing a rival from a Mishnah to show you that the Rabbanana agreed. Who said that that mission is only is is not only Shita Sur Bas Maryuda? Dum Rebes of Maryuda, Katana. Maybe that mission is only Shita Subasa Maryuda, and the Rabban don't necessarily agree. Some of them are based if you call Rubidama or Rebesa Maryuda. Uh Kitanila, what are you gonna what do you seem to ensue? Or is that the word? What do you seem to infer that all rives in the world are only Shita Sribasa Maryuda? Can't be. Some of the hey, he answered the back that no, I know Rubidish Shita Kamina. The Shamina the Plegi, I'm only referring to the Raiva Shita. Maybe this Mishnah that says it relates to Shithah is only Sheita Subasa Briuda. Why? Because we see from our Mishnah that Rebas Brayuda is a Sheita that holds of Raiva by Shita. But maybe as it relates to Shitha, the abundant won't agree, and therefore you don't necessarily have a riot from that Mishnah. What about the following? Higrim shlish, Vishat Shlish. So that in this version it was a Pchizda that said the whole machikis was where you did the first Al Yedeh, Hagrammah in the last two thirds, Al Yedei, Shit Shah. However, Higrim Shlish, Vishokha Schlish, Vegrim Shlish, now we're bringing a totally different uh a totally different um case. You did a gramma on the first slish, on the first third, and then you did a kashra shit on the middle third, the higher slish, and then you did hagram again. You went out of bounds again on the last third. So, Raiv, what comes out if you analyze this case? Raiv was Ali De Hagrama, but as it relates to the part where you were mashlim the Shita to arrive, that was Ali Deh Shitakhshera. Because again, where the animal dies, or Kinafka Hiyusa, really, right? Kinafka Hiusa, where the animal dies when? When you shach to Raiva the Simon. When you shachted through Raiva the Simon, what point were you? So that's the middle third, obviously. Raiva the Simon is gonna be in the middle third. The middle third was done alida shitrah. So on one hand you have Kinafka Hiusa when the animal died, that was done a yide, your middle third, that was Shitakhshera. But you have Rai Rav your Shita was done a Yede Agrama. The first third was a grama, the last third was Agrama, and then you have a Shitakhsha in the middle. You started here, you moved into the right place, you move right back out to the wrong place. Aramah, Agrama, good, then a grama again. So that's a shilo over here, and that's what we're gonna talk about. Higram Shush, Vegrim Shush. So in this case, Ravuna Amarav Kshaira. Ravuna says in the name of Rav that it's gonna be Kosha, the name is Matter over here. Ravyhuda Amarav Ravihuda says in the name of Rav. So they're arguing about what Rav said. Trefa. It's gonna be a Trefa over here. Ravuna Amaravchha. Why did Ravuna say in the name of Rav is gonna be Kosha? Because Kinafka Khyusa, Bishkita Kanavka, because again, what tipped the scale was the point where you uh where was Kinafka Hiyusa? Where did the animal die? That's Bishkita Kshera, because again, the animal dies where you shakh through Raiv the Simon. Raiva the Simon was severed in the Kasher Ishkita part because that was the middle third, and that's where you got to the Raiv, the first third, and then the next third, that's already two-thirds. By the time you get to the second third, that's Raiva the Simon, and that was done Ayudeh Shitak Shah. So you know it's gonna be Kasher Hunamara because Kinafka Hiyusa, Mishkita Kshera Kanavka. The animal died Ayyudeh Shita Khera at that point, and that's why it's gonna be Kasher. Whereas if you Hunamaraf Trepa Rebita's in the name Arab is gonna be Trefa. Why? Beinaru Bishkita Vilaka. Because it's not enough that the animal dies at the time of a Kashra Shhita. And then the day Raiva of the Shita has to be Shita. Has to be a Kashra Shita, can't be done Ali the A Grama. And therefore, Bain of Ruba Bishkita Vilaka, you need most of the Shita to be done Alidah Kashra Shita. Vilaka, you don't have that over here because most of it, two-thirds were done aide a grama, and that's why it's gonna be a problem. So this is the machlagis. What do we look at? Do we look at Kinafka Hiyusa? At that point, what was it? Or do we look at no, what was Raiva the Shita done? So says the Gemar, what about this case? Shakat Shlish, the Hingrim Shlish, the Shachat Shlish. In this case, you did two-thirds of the Shita Ayudeh Shita Kshaira, right? Because the first third and the last third was done Ay Deshita. That's the inverse. The exact case just inverse, right? So you did the first and the last one Ay Deshita Kshera, and the middle one you did Hagrama. So over here you have Raivavit, Ruba Bhishkita Kshera, you have that. But if you think about it, you have Kinafka Hiyusa, it was done Aidehagrama. When it was that when the animal died in the second third, that second third was a grama, which is a problem. So it says the Gemara. This is not like it's Rebu Damav, Kshera. Rabbi Huda now says in the name of Rav. Rabihuda before said the name of Rav Psula in the last case. Over here, Rabudir Maraf says Kshera. Why, by the way? Very simple, as we know, because Rabihuda holds that what do we look at? We look at Bina Ruba Bishkita. Most of it has to be Shita. And over here, most of it was Shita. The first and the last. Oh, the middle wasn't? I don't care. You have right. Been a Rubishkita with Kshera, and that's why Rabuda sent the name of Rav, it's gonna be Ksherah. And over here in this version, Azsu Shilin Rahuna, they went and asked with Rahuna about this case. Rahuna was the one who argued on Rebud in the name of Rav. Rahuna quoted differently in the name of Rav in the last case. And over here in this case, they asked Rahuna what's gonna shot over here in Amalou. Trefa. He said, What is it? It's gonna be Trefa. What? I'm not following. Awesome because Trefa. So Shama Rubihuda's Rebuh heard over. So again, Rebu with the Paskin in this case that it's gonna be Kshaira. And he brought it, they brought it before Rahuna and asked him, What do you think about this? And he said, nah nah nah, Trefa, it's gonna be a Treva. So Shama Rebuh, Rebuhda heard about this. Now they just brought this to Ravhuna, and I said it's Ksher, and he said it's a Trefa. Iqbit, he got mad. Why did he get mad? Because he said, Omer Tarifna, when I say it's Trefu Mahsher. Rabihuna says it's it's kosher. Where? That was the first case. Where two-thirds of it was done all the day all ye day uh drama, and one third was done all ye day shitakshera, but that was the middle third, right? Kinafka Hiusa. So when I say it's treif, he says it's kosher. Uma sharna tarif, where I say it's kosher because two-thirds of it was done ali day shit, he says it's traif now. It sounds like he's just saying the opposite of anything I'm saying. So Rabbiuda got mad. Some Rahuna, Ravuna heard that Rabbiuda got mad at what he said. And Ravuna said, you know what? Shop your comicpid. You know, he has a good reason to be mad. Maybe he's right. First of all, he heard that if you notice in the second one. In the first case, they both quoted Rav. Rahuna Amar Rav, Rabiuda Amarav. In the second case, it was only Rabbi Huda Umar Rav. Ravuna said his Shita Meatma. He said it based off his own stuff. It wasn't Ravuna Amar Rav in the second case. So Rahuna said, by the way, maybe Rabiv is right over here. First of all, he heard it from Rav. In the second case, I said it from my own swarm. I didn't hear it from Rav. I only heard it from Rav in the first case. So maybe in the second case he's actually right, because Khadah he heard it from Rav, and I didn't hear it from Rav. But only furthermore, how you call Ruba Bishkita? He has a good taina. You have Ruba Bishkita, you have the first third and the last third. That's done alita k shera. So it's done, Ruba Bishkita. Now you might have a hard time understanding this if you understood the svar of why they say what they say. Because what are you talking about? Well don't we care if Kinafka Hiyusa? So that's what we're about to follow up with. But either way he said, first of all, you heard it from Rav. Second of all, you have Roi Validishhita. So I hear what you're saying, that it should be cautious. Maybe I should be Hyser that I said it's gonna be trick. But normally if Khizda or Vchizda again is talking back there if that loyti had don't be Hyser on what you just said. Why did you say it's kosher in the first case? Where the first flish was the N Ali de Agramma and the last was Ali Deak Gramma, so you don't have a rubber vishkita, but the middle washera. Why did you say it's gonna be kosher in that case? At what point? Were you in the right place? You did the red shit. That was the middle third, because that's when you hit the right. And therefore it's the same reason. So don't go back on it. Because it's the same reason, because this is the inverse. Then in this case, the middle part, the first and the last might have been good. But the middle shwish was what? Hagrama. And the middle shlish, that's when kinafka chiyusa. So don't go back on it because the same start applies. Ha ha ha hanami. Kinafka kyusa, bagramakafka. Over here, where did the handle die? Bagramakanafka. That's where you were doing a grama. When you're doing agrama, I don't care that you have a Ruba Bishkrita in the first and the last. And then today, if you care about Kinafka Kiyusah, what was going on? Kinafka Kiyusa ben agramakanafka. And therefore don't go back on this at all. And it's not that you're out to get Yuhuda in each case and just passing the opposite. It happens to be this is the inverse case. And according to your smara, if you care about Kinafka Khiyusa, then it's gonna be the opposite of Allah. And wherever Kinafka Biusa is, that's gonna be the Allah. In the first case, Kinafka Hiusa, the middle one was Kansha, so it's gonna be kosher. And in the second case, Kinafka Khiyusa, the middle shlish was Bahagrahmah, so it's going to be Apostle Zizgamar. Iklar ibnachman Surah. Ibn Nachman came to Surah once. Bauminain, they asked him this question. Shha Shlish Begram Shishva Shah Shlish Ma'u. What's going to be the Allah in the case? Where you did it, we had Ruba Bhishita. The first and the last third of the Shritha was done alidaish shtakh, but the middle one was done ali dayagramma. This case, Mao, what's gonna be the allah? We told them, Lavhainu, Dir Blahz barmanyumiumi. Isn't this what Rabilaz Bramanumi said? So who's Rebelazar Minumi? We know this as Alak is between uh Rabbihuda and Rahuna. Now we have Rabilazabini said, isn't that what Ribalazar Brahmanumi said? What did he say? A shitha that's done in like uh in a jagged way, can masterik. Masrick is like uh uh yeah, like a comb. So it's done, you have like uh one layer, another layer, it's going in and out. So it's a shita that's done like a masric, it's going to be kshera. So what does that sound like? It sounds like this. You did a bagrama, then you maneuvered into another place, you did a bishkita khshaira, or then you did a bagrama, or the apps that we're talking about, right? You did a kshera, then you went out bagrama, then you went khaira, you went back into the right place. So here you have uh it's done like in a jagged item, so it's gonna be kosher. So it seems like this case says the Gimara. No, that's not necessarily the same thing. Because if a makam shit, maybe that halacha of Reb Allah, that he said Shita that looks like a master, it gets all jaggedy, then it's gonna be kosher. Maybe that's if your jaggedy form is in the right place. Everything's in the right place, it just looks a little jaggedy. Maybe that's what it's talking about. But shit ma but uh the makam shritam sazigamara. So maybe it's talking about makamshita. But our case is not even makamshita. Our case is about gramma, so you can't compare it. What's the big khiddish if it's done all the makamshita? You don't have a pso. Aye, it looks like a masteric, who cares? If it's done my makamshita, what's the big khiddish to say that it's gonna be cut? I'll tell you it's still khidish because now the tama beyond shrita me fairas villa. I would think that maybe you need a shita memfaras. I would think that maybe your shrita has to be smooth, it has to be straight. Kamash Malon, that it doesn't need to be even a shita uh masterik according to Belajimumi is gonna be okay. Simin Bihad. Semara. Yasiv Riv Abba Acharid R of Kahana. Riv Abba was sitting in the behind R of Khana. The Yasiv Riv Khan of Yuda. Remember, Kahana was sitting in front of Rhuda, the Yasivana. And he was saying over the following. He was asking from the Rebbe Rebiuda. Shokachlish, the Higem Shhlish or Shochachlish, this case, where he did the first, third Ayidesh Kita Ksherh. Then in the middle one, that's the one Kinafkayusa. He did the Hagrammah. And then he went back to a good shit. Now, what's going to be the lacha maleh? By the way, we know this already shit is Rebuda. They asked Rebuda. So Shit is Rebuda Amalai. Shita Sakshera. It's going to be kosher. That's Rebuda. What does Rabbiuda care about? Beinan Rubabishkita. We need Rebabid Aydesh Shitakhshero. Over here, you have the first third and the last third. That's two out of three. You have Rebali the Shita. I don't care. The middle one was done aidagram. And therefore it's going to be Kasher. Then they asked him the opposite case. Hegrim Shlish, Vishat Shlish, Vegrim Shlish. Over here, you have two Agramah, one Shikita, but the one Shita is in the middle. So Mau, and as we know, what is Rebuh? Hold on, let's end to them, Shita Sepsula. It's going to be possible because you don't have Rubah Bishkita, you have Rubah Bihagrama, that's why it's going to be a problem. Shokad bimakim nekev mau. What if he shachhted bimakim nekev? In the place of a nekev. So again, this nekev has to be in the kana, not in the veshav, because in the veshed you can't even have a tiny con. It's going to be trafe it up, it's going to be a problem. Whereas the kanah, as we saw before, chati kone chati nekev kone is gonna be okay. So the next question they asked him is shachad bimakim nekav. You shafted it, and the shit that you did was bimakim nekav. It already had a nekab, it already had a tear in the con whatever it was, and you shafted straight through that nekab. What's gonna be that locha omalesh? It's gonna be sh it's gonna be k shera. Why? As we saw before, khati khana nakev. It's gonna be even if half of it was already pogam and you continue doing shahtar, as long as as long as you you are mashlim derived through your shitra, it's going to be good to go. What about shachat u pogaboy nekev? What about this case? A little bit different. What's the difference? In the last case, the nekav was at the top. You're starting from the shita and you're starting with the nekev. So you're going through and you're mashlim derived to bay day shita k sherah. Whereas in this case, it's shahat, you started off with the shit. You didn't start in the place of the nekev, and on the other side, pogaboy nekev. You started off with the sharkita you were cutting through, and then you met that it was ne it was it had a nekh that it was pogam from the other side of it. In that case, kita. It's gonna be possible. Now why? Why is it gonna be possible over here? So Rashi explains because uh Shayuchatsi Kone Pagam Bitsida Pnimina Sandmafregas, sorry, that was the Rasha before. Because Nasse Kamisha Shachadavitkam. Rashi gives the answer because, as we're gonna see in a second, it says if uh sorry, no. Next case, next rashi, I read two earlier. The Pasadolla, Avidisal Shir Shita Baresha. And then the day you didn't do a Shir Shita Bharesha, you didn't do the proper Shir Shita, because again, what's the difference? In the case where you shachted through the nekiv that was at the top, when you were mash limit to the rive of the simen, that was Ayadesh Kitak Shah, because it wasn't Rivavit that had a nekiv. It was only up to Hatsi Kone Pogam, right? It was only up to Hatsi of it. You were mash limit to arrive, Ali Desh Kitak Shera, good to go. Where you have it, where you have it with the opposite, where you shach through, let's say you got halfway through, and then you met a neked from the other side. So when your mash limit to arrive, was that done alideshitak shera? No, that was done because you hit the nekab on the other side. That neked on the other side was what was what was mashlim this whole to arrive, and that was not done aideshitak shera. That's where it's gonna be a problem, and that's the difference between these two cases. So that that's what he answered, Amalaih Shikatasula. So Azar Rebaba and Amra Kamehra Rabalazar. And that's really um we're gonna see exactly we're gonna see to it in the Gamara over here, said with different words basically, but what we said that Amalai, he told him, um I'm sorry, Amal Azar Rababa, Amra Kamehra Rabazah. So Rababa came and said, or he went and said over this whole Khajman before Rabalazar, and Azar Rabalazar Amra Kamehra Rabiachan. And Ribalazar came and said it over before Rabbiakhan. And so Amalai told him, Mai Shnah. What's the difference between these two cases? Amale told him. Shochad bimakim nekev, nase kamisha shahadavit khav and begamar israel. In the case where you shachhted it in the place of the nekev, so the nek was on top, and you started over there, then you were mash limit through by yourself. That's similar to a case where uh goi shachted it, or Avid Khachovim, Vegamar Israel, and then the Yah finished it off, which is gonna be good. That's gonna be a good shahitah because in the end of the day you were mashlimit to the right, that's gonna be good. It's gonna be a good shaithah. Even if the Avid Khom started it. What's that commitment? Again, you had the nekiv over there, so pretend the Avid Khal made the nekev. In the end of the day, you finish it off, you're good to go. Shaqhat to pogabai nekev, but in the opposite case where you did the shtrica, you were cutting through, and then on you met a nekev from the other side, and that's what was mashlimit to arrive, that's nasakemisha, shahat isra, begama Avid Kham. That's considered the opposite. Where a Yisral started it, you started it from that side, but then you met the nekiv. Picture the nekev is Avid Kaham. That's as if Avit Kachovim finished the Shitah, he was going the Shitah to the Raiv, which is gonna be, of course, a problem. That's why it's gonna be possible. So Kari Lah, where Rabychnan heard this uh explanation from Rabelezar, Rabbichnan said, Avit kahovim avchami, called about Rabalazar, Avit Kachavim, Avit Kachovim. Zakkarashi over here, we need that. That Loishha Yot Khirla Avid Kochovim. He wasn't calling Ribalazar Avit Khabim. He just was making fun, Liglav. He was making fun of his Pshat, skipping a few lines. Because he could tell him basically that you could scream all you want. You just gave pshat in this, that it's Avit Kochhim, Nasikami, that it's like Avit Khamim. You could say Avit Khovim Avikham all you want. But it's not gonna be similar. And then today you can't say it's similar to Avit Khavim. Why? Kind of Far Shrabah like Rub is about to say. Then Um my Rubber. Rava said, Shapir Karile, Abit Kham Avit Khavim. Rabiachan said good. He was tiny good when he called Rabalazar Avit Kahim Avit Kham and made fun of his shot. Why? Because Bishlam Ahasam, I'll tell you why it's different. I understand over there by Avit Kaham that actually does the Shita. Me the Havala Israel Mishkath Rubalish. I understand the difference. Over there where the Israel started off the Shaqitah and then the Avit Kahim finished it to the right. So the Israel was supposed to do it. And then the Avit Kahim instead was mashed from it to the right. And he gave it to Avit Kham to do. So Kinafka Hiyusa, where the animal died, all Yid the right, it was Ayyidid Avid Khadam. That's why it's gonna be a problem. Allah Khabat over here, Mikti, let's see what's going on. Mishkhat Shaqit. He's shachting whatever he could shacht, right? Happens to be, it might be nekeb, it might be not a nekab. But then the day was the animal a trefel before this? No, it's not a trefel because Hati Nakeb Pogum is gonna be okay. So he was shachting in the place he needs to shacht. And he did all the shaithah that he could possibly do. So Mali Bim Makam Nakeb Mali pogaboy nekab. So I don't care if he started off with the neckab or he meant the nekab, and then today he did all the shaith that he could possibly do. There was no ev over here, so you can't compare the two caves. In this case, it might actually be good. And the next Mishnah goes into Amar Aleph on the Sugiya about Malika. We're gonna get involved. We're gonna hold it there for today. Get Shamil.