Chulin 20

Daf Yomi 

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Alright, Hulin dafch, and we're gonna start with left off yesterday by the Mishnah on your testament base. Has Shoiket Minat Stadim. So on the by the Mishnah on your testament base. So Zakta Mishnah, Hashaichet Minat Stadim. The Mishnah is gonna compare a little bit Malika to Shita Malika, we're speaking about right now. It's interesting. We're in Hulin, but Malika is a Kotchundika Indian because we know Malika was done too specifically eifais, but only Ifais, specifically in the Besamikdash. In the Besam Megdash, instead of shachting a carbon that was an if, you don't do shachitah, you do what's called Malika. Now, if you took a bird and you did Malika on it outside the Besa Megdash, not as a carbon, it's a regular hulin, it's what's called a naval, right? And you're not allowed to eat it. Why? Because it wasn't killed aide shit. It's a special khidashatira that you are allowed, the kahanim, they ate from obviously the the the what's it called, the karbanists that were oif in the basamegdash, and not the ayla sa'aif, but khatas'aiif the kahanim in ate, and therefore um it's a special special khidashatira. Even though it's technically nevelo, it was killed aljadeshkita, it was killed aid malika. Still the kahim are able to eat a special khidashatira. But again, that's only for kodchim. If you did that for a bird in your backyard and you tried to eat it, that would be a big problem. So that's what Malika is. Shita, we know, is for khodchim for behamas, but also for Hulin, that's how you are maqshir your food to eat, and also khotchim by behamas. So shit is across the board again for uh khchim and hulin by behamas. For conchim also by sorry, kochem and hulin by behamas, and by eifus as well, was it when it's hulin? When it's iphis. And it's kochim, that's where it's gonna be Malika. So either way, we're gonna jump into Shita, we're gonna jump into Malika over here, and by the way, the paper trail is because Malika. Um, we're talking about different parts where you're doing the shit, you're doing the Malika, and we just came off with the Sukhias of a Grumma, which is essentially doing the Shita and veering off course, going out of bounds in the wrong place. So that's the paper trail, and with that Zakta Mishnah. Someone who does shritah from the side. So generally he's supposed to do it in the neck and the tava. And he does it from the side, but he got the symanim, that's the main point, shit share. It's gonna be a good shrita. Hamila kminat sanim, someone who does melikah from the side, milikasypsula, it's gonna be puzzle. Why? We're gonna see there's a kpaedah, then it has to be dafka mimul orpo. It has to be from the irif, which is the back of the neck, and that's where it has to be. Okay, Hashek mina irif, someone who does shitah from the irif from the back of the neck. Obviously, you're supposed to do it from the front of the neck, you're supposed to get the simonim, but he did it from the back of the neck. Shita saipsule, it's gonna be puzzle. Now over here, very important to understand the sugiya. The reason it's gonna be puzzle is not because there's any kpeda that you're supposed to do it from the front. The point is that it's gonna be puzzle, meaning what's the point of shita? To get the simonim. So if you got the simonim, even if you start from the back, why shouldn't it be a problem? The answer is technical issue, Zokterashi, because if you start from the back, what are you gonna have to go through? Before you get to the Simonim, you're gonna have to go through the mafrekas, which is the hard bone on the back. And once you get through the mafrekas, you broke the bone before you broke the semanim, before you cut through the semanim, that renders it a trefa, because it can't live with its broken neck, and therefore you made it a trefa before you had a kashashkita. We saw a different issue that you might uh it's probably gonna make a pegima in the sakin, but that's not a problem technically, because if as long as you check the sakin afterwards and it's good, you're good to go. It didn't make a pogima, that's just a technical zach. But the point is that the reason it's gonna be a problem is because again, if you checked it from the back, it's a technical issue that you broke the neck. You made it a trefa before you got to the semanim. But there's no pain that you have to do it from the front. We're gonna see what's enough coming now. In the Hemsha Khasughia, if you if you do it in a way, even from the back, if you did it from the Urif as relates to Shita, but you did it in a way where you moved around the Simanim and got the simanim before you broke the neck, that's gonna be fine, it's gonna be contra shiit because that's the only thing that matters. So again, shit, if you do it from the back, it's a technical issue. By the way, important rashi, has shoichit, right? And this is a very important diuk. We spent uh the whole first few daffin on this diuk, right? Has shaikhit is mashmah bidiyvet, right? Hashikit, if you already shachted. So has shaikh and a stadim. Shikitasik share, but maybe that's only then the evit, Zakrashi, Vahilu the Khathilo. Even the Khathilah, this halochho is a shoikit. Um a stadim, schitashera means even the khathila you're able to do such a thing. Rashi needed to speak that out, obviously, after all the diuk, and we came off the last Mishnah of uh not the last one, but uh previous Mishnah is of Hashachit, Mashmah Bidi Avid. But either way continues the Mishnah. Sheikh and Arif Shikhasu, as we just said. Someone who does Malika from the back, the Malika is gonna be kosher. Why? Because that is how you're supposed to do Malika. Very good. Hashaik Minatsar, someone who does Shita from the neck, from the front, Shkitasak Shah. That's the primary way to do Shita. Hamalik Minatsava Milakas. If you do Malika from the front, that is gonna be Pasal. Again, there's a kapeta to do Malika from the back of the neck. Shekalha Arif Kasha Milika. You wanna know why? Because the entire Urif is kosher from Malika, but not anything else. Not the tsuddin and not the front. Okay, but tsar kashlashita and the tzava the front is gonna be koshla shitha. Nimsa, what comes out? Kashir Bishkita Posabamelika. Kasha Bilika, Pasel Bishkita. What's kosher in Shita is Pasal Malika. Like the front, which is kosher in Shita is gonna be Posab Malika. And what's pasel by and what's kosher by Malika? The back, the Uyrif is gonna be Posel Bashita. That's not a din across the board as we just saw, but it's coming to be marv's something, me uh to be my something we're gonna go through. This okay. So either way, Zlock the Gemara. My Uyrif. What's the Uyrif that we're talking about? Eile Mo Uyrif Mammish if it means Uyrif Mamish. Now what's Uyrif? What's Uyrif Mamish? So Uyrif means, and Uyrif Mammish would mean the back of the face. That's what Irish mean. You have the face, and then Uyrif is mamish, the back. Uyrif mamish would be the back of the face part. So that would be here on the back of the head. So if that's what it means, myr shaikhit, afilumiknami. Why are you telling me that only if someone shaks there it's a problem? Even if someone does melikah there, it's a problem. You're not supposed to do melika on the irif mamish on the back of the face, meaning on the head part, because mimul arpa ima rahmana. The tail said to do melika mimul arpoy. Next to it, facing the urif, not the irif itself, facing the arif, which is the back of the neck, which is a place that's close to the back of the face. Meaning it's a little lower. That's where you're supposed to do it. Mimul arpa marahmana. Villoi orpoi, but not the irif itself, which is the back of the face. So obviously, what does Urif mean? We're using it loosely. And Urif means the back of the neck. So the Gamarkid Diktani Sefa, and I actually see that from the sefa, the kola'rif kashala milika, it says the entire urif is kashala malika. So how do I see it from there that it's referring to the neck, Zarkarashi? That um, because the fact that it said kolif kashalamelika, that the iba urif mamish, if it means uruf mamish, then my kolha urif, vary dovrmu. It's only a dover muat, the uruf mamish. And therefore, Elishmami no, mul urif kiarmashu oruf. We're obviously talking about a place that's longer, which is the neck, that's the back of the neck, and that's how it's meduik like that from the safe of the Mishnah. But either way, mean uh how do we know this? How do we know that you're supposed to do? Um, or how do we know Bakhla what the Uruf is? Says the Gamar, Thunderman. We have a braiso. Mimul orpoy, mul haroya is orif. Mul orpoi teaches you mul haray is arif. Mul orpoy is somewhere that's that's against or facing something that sees the uruf itself. We find that in a posic. So what's facing that? What could see the back of the face? What could see the urif? That's gonna be me. The o'er, and we have another posik that brings out the points. Keepanu e la urifalipanum. The clouds shall turn their their irif to me and not their faces, their backs, basically. Says the gumar. My umr. Why do I need a second posik over here? V chitema. The reason is because the kitema urifgufeloyha, then nay da muldi de muldi de haicha. If you're gonna tell me, I don't even know where the irif is, to start telling me what's the m- where's mul irif? What's facing the irif? Okay, what's the irif itself? You gotta tell me what the irif is to teach me what mul irif is. Says the gemar tash mah. That's why the posik says, Keep on we lai urifliponim. That they face their irif at me and not their face. What does that teach me? That obviously shows me that if they showed me their irif instead of their face, then the irif is in the back of the face, it's the opposite of the face. They showed me the other side. So that shows me that the irif is on the back of the face, that's the back of the head, and mul irif would be the back of the neck. Says the gummar. Amri Beneiribhiya. The Benebhiya said over the following. Mitzvah's milika, the mitzvah of Malika is Mah'sir Simonim, la achare irif. He's supposed to like turn around. So again, the kind doing Malika in the base of Mikdash, he goes in from the back of the neck. Now, what he's supposed to do is take the simonim and kind of push them around towards the back of the neck. Umba, then he does Malika through that. Ikad Amri, some say afmaqsir, some say that what they what the Meneer ibhiya said was the mitzvah Malika is that afmaqsir. He could even do it this way. Meaning he doesn't have to do it normally. He could even do it this way where he takes around the simonim, but it's not necessarily the way to do it. Mikadamri machir dafka. And some say that what they meant was maqsir dafka. This is how you're supposed to do Malika l-hathila. You take the simonim, you flip them around to the back of the urif, and you do Malika. So it's a mistabra, Kiman number, afmah sir. It actually is more mistab, like the man number that says afmaqsir, that it's not necessarily something you're supposed to do dafka, but it's something you can do if you want to. Mimai, how do we see them? It's funny from the fact that we saw in the Mishnah Hashit Mina Urif, someone who shachts from the Urif Shitas Psulah and a Malik mina urif, milikasak share. So if you shacht from the back of the neck, it's gonna be psulah but if you do Malik there, it's gonna be kshedro, says the Gemara, the e sakodai to kmachka. If you're gonna tell me the Mishnah is talking about a case that we're we're talking about the Malika, the type of Malika you're supposed to do is machzir d'avka, that you're supposed to do what Urban Bine Rkhiel said to take the Simonim and flip them around to the other side and then do Malika through it, then my malik, afilushanami, then why in the case of the Mishnah where we said that if you do the Malika from the back of the neck, it's kosher. If you do the shit from the back of the neck, it's gonna be puzzle. Why? Why would the shitta be puzzle? If we're talking about a case of Malika where you're taking the Simonim and flipping it around to the back of the neck, then if you do shrita that way, it should be kosher. Why? That's what we said before. Again, there's no kpaida that sharita has to be from the tzavash. The whole problem we said that it's gonna be puzzle, if you do shrita from the irif is a technical issue that you're hitting the mafrekas and making it into a trefa before you hit the simonim. But if you're gonna tell me that the mission is talking about a case, or rather, if you're gonna tell me Bineirbhiya that the iker mitzvah of Malika is to do it in a way where you're flipping around the simonim, then that's the case of Malika. So if you're comparing and contrasting Malika that way is kosher. So take shritah, do it the same way. If you do it the same way, which is switching around the simonim to the back of the oyrif, then when you do shrita that way, you're cutting the simonim before you hit the mafrekas. You don't have a problem, it doesn't become a trefa. And why should that be an issue? So why would the Mishnah say, why would the Mishta say that shahita is gonna be possible? Shita wouldn't be possible, it's not gonna make it a trefa if you flipped around the Simonim. You got to the Simonim in a way that you even did it from the back without hitting the mafrekas first, so it shouldn't be a problem. So obviously, it's mistabbe that when the Binai Rib Khiya said that you could flip the Simonim around, it means Afmahsir. You could even do that, and you could even do that, but that's not the normal way to do it. And therefore, when the Mishnah said it's the normal that it's gonna be possible. If you did it, that's if you did it. The normal way that you would generally do Malika. You didn't flip them around. And you shafted through, the problem is you hit the mafrekas before the semanim. But in a khanami, if you took the simonim and flipped them around and shafted the semanim from the back before you hit the mafrekas, it's gonna be a kash or a shrita, as well, says the Gemara. Allah Shmami no, afmahsir, umasnisin, but layahadr. Again, that's what we just spoke out. Shmamina, we see from this clearly, Af Mah'sir. What that meant was this is something you could do if you want. Umasnisin, our Mishnah that says if you shacht from the back, it's gonna be possible but layahad. That's talking about where you didn't flip them around and it's gonna be a problem because you make it into a trade because you hit them up for says the Gemara. Um Rvyan Nairvyan, it says, Yikablu Harubin or Heroivin S Chuvasan. The Heroivin Rashid explains Hane Orrin. That means the young ones. Who's he talking about? He's talking about the Beleirbchiya. So apparently they were pretty young as well. And these young Beleirbchiya should be Mekabah their chuva. Basically, I'll show you a raya against them. Listen, I'll tell I'll tell you uh a chuvah against what they said. Why? Kashabamalika, Pasab Bishkita. Whatever is kosher and mishhita is possible Malika, that would be from the front. And anything that's kosher bamelika, that would be the back, is possible. So my sounds very much like it's coming to teach us something, right? So what's a meaning of might? Isn't it coming to exclude this case? That if you take the Simonim and put them around to the back, even that is gonna be Posel Bishkita, and therefore this would be a raya against the Banerabhia or Deloi, you wouldn't be able to do that from Well, why is Banerabhya? Baner Pchia only says that by Maliko.

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I didn't call Mosquito bottom on the link.

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Okay. Okay, sure cash. Well maneira said what? Mythos Malika, Master is a man of the hero. Right? All they did was talk about uh Mitsu and Malika. And the R Kasha was that it's coming to be Mina what from the Mishnah? It's coming to be Minaita a way that you can't do Shita. It's a headman, I think I'm missing something. But Malika, if you all they said you did, but that's not karma. You're saying if it's Kasha Bishkita. If it's Kasha Bishkita, I was thinking Irif. Okay, so if it's Kasha Bishkita, sorry, yeah, Kasha. So isn't it coming? So it's obviously coming to include something. What's it coming to include? Or be Memmait? The case, again, you're speaking this out, the case where you take it around, where the Bene Rubchiya said it's gonna be Kashra Bashkita if you take the Simonim and flip them around to the other side by the Ayrif. Bene Rub Khiya said that's gonna be Kashabishita, so obviously the Mishnah that says that's Kashab Bishkita is gonna be possible Malika, seems like that would be a problem, Bimelika, or rather, since that's Kashra Ba Malika, that should be Pasal Bashkita, and that's against what they said, right? Because it goes one in hand. So again, if that's Kashra Bishkita, and we know it's Kashabishkita, because there's no problem with cutting through as long as you're getting to the same one first, so that should be possible by Malika, right? So it shouldn't be it should be a problem what the Baner Priya said. Yeah, sorry. So says the gimmara omarabrachana loi. That's not what it's coming to exclude. The meot is shane mitziparin. It's coming to exclude something else completely. Shane mitziparin. To use your your tooth or your nail, nail is the main part over here, and we're at the Zak Tarashi adding tooth because it comes from the same reason that it's machobar. But the point is we're being made that you can't use your nail for shaitah like you can by Malika. By Malika using your tziparin, the kind you sticks his thumb, and as we know, that's what is coming to be my mind, but it has nothing to do with uh about what or name said in the case where you're flipping it around, that wouldn't be a problem. So it's gonna be a shenwitzburn the head you can look. We have first in Mishnah teaching us about Shane Vitzbrand that you're not allowed to use that by shark, that if you did a shaita with your shane or tziparin, it's gonna be a problem. So that's obviously not what it's coming to be my mind. Ella omr, yeah, miya leme mailachumabi. It's coming to exclude mailikumavy, the forward and backward motion motion. If you did that by milika, that's gonna be a problem. That we know you're supposed to do by shrita, mailachumabi. If you just press down, it's uh you're you're you have the psulah, what's it called? Your uh if you just press it, that's uh yeah, hadrasa. So that's why you have to do mybi. That by Malika is gonna be a problem. That's what it's coming to exclude. So that obviously only is a good khajun according to my number that holds that's bikhla possible by Malika. But according to my number that says that Maila Khumabi, if you did that by Malika, it's not gonna be a problem. So obviously that's not what it's coming to Mimimait. So Zakomara Baneribhiya, sabri look a madamar, malachum maybe Malik Apostle. We're only handling this khajun within the sheet of Baneribchi. So we'll just tell you the Baneribhiya hold like the Mandomar, now Malaikumavi, but Malika is gonna be potsu, and that's what is coming to Mimimait. This is where we see it from Amr of Khan or Khanna said, Mitzus Melika. What's the mitzvomelika? Koitzitsveyorid, vizuim mitzvaso. The way you do it is koitzits, you stick your thumb in, you cuts, you like uh cut through, you break through, the yorid, and then he goes in, he goes downwards. This is the way to do it, it sounds like. So what's vizui mitzvaso? Sazigamara, suburb and the memory are koitzvayarid in my chemil. Rabavin thought based on the way he said it, that it teaches us that koitzitzvayoreid is the only way to do it. But if you go back and forth, it's gonna be a problem. Why? Because he said zui mitzwasa. This is the way to do it. Sounds like this and nothing else. So says, back then no, koshiken the melechumabi mlika kosher. It's a kolshike and melechum maybe melee is gonna be kosher. Uh my zuimitswasa. So what's zuim itzwas? That sounded like this was the only way to do it. You just have to edit it a little bit. Afzuimitzwas, it's even this way. If you want to go in and go downwards, but if you go in, not sure what Malachumebi would be by your fingernail, but you figure out how to be Malachumebi, that would even be koshikin, that it would be fine. Amrier me, Amrash Muel. Ravir Misa Nay Mul. Call a kashra bishkita, can negday ba oyrif kashra bemalika. Anything you would do to an animal that would be a kashra ishita. Kenegday ba oyrif if you did that same thing on oyrif on the back of the neck by Malika would be kosher by Malika. How posal bishkita possible? What does that imply? That's something that's gonna be possible from the front of the neck. It's gonna be possible if you did that by Malika in the back of the neck. Okay. What's that coming to excode? If you're gonna tell me it's coming to the exclude ikersamonim. Ikursammonim is as we know, it's gonna be a pseudo by shit if the simonim are ripped out before you do the shita. So if they were neckar before the shit, that would be a problem. So maybe that's what it's coming to say. Simon'i that that would be a problem also by Malika. That if you had the Simonim of the bird were nekru before you did the Malika, that's gonna possible. It says that true? The autonia mirimi mariachesko, ain't ikre semanim oif, there's no psal of iker by oif. There's no psal bichal of iker samanama by Sami. So that's not what it's coming to exclude. Some repapar lumyute royshai. Papa says, You're right, it's not baklaw talking about iker. It's coming to exclude uh roy shay. What does that mean? That if you did the Malika going in from the mamesh, the back of the head, not on the back of the neck. You came in from the head, that's gonna be a problem. Why just like my shit? If you come in from the head, it will be a problem. You have to be on the neck. So too, my milika. That's what I'm saying. Says I'm Rusha Pshita. It's pasha that if you go in from the head, that's not the khla where you're supposed to be. Mimularpachman told you on the back of the neck. Some rahmana. Oh by rahmana Rosha, not on the head. You have to do it the back of the neck, so it's pasha. Why do you need to tell me that? You're right. What's the kidish? The kiddish is my roisha shipwiresha. We mean if you went back, not in the head itself, where it starts slanting in by the head. So a little lower, somewhere in between the neck and the head, where it starts slanting in towards the head. King the Nakut me shipwirish. He went in from the slant of the head. He started slanting down until he got to the right place. So he went in in the wrong place where it started slanting up. But he went in and he was slanting down, he was Higram in a good way down towards uh where he was supposed to be. And the problem in that case was Uh Daravuna Maravasi, Dhammar Huna Maravasi, Higram Shlish, Vishlish, Sullah. If you did a grum in the beginning, but then you maneuver downwards into a good place to shita, it's still gonna be possible. And that's the case. He started in the wrong place in the Shipuy Raisha, but even if he was mmagrim downwards, it's still gonna be a problem. And we're we'll just try to turn to the page quickly without getting too far in because it's late. That's what we just saw. This that we just saw from Rami Vari Heskell in Ukrasaman ba'if that there's no soul of ekir by an oif, loy amaran el madama shit in shit. That's only true according to the manama that says that there's no shrita sa'f midoy raisa. The whole concept of shachting an oif birds is a dinner abandon. This is actually a big machelikus. Whether shrita's oif is midoriza d'araban. Shitas behem to eat a beheimal shit, that's midoraiza. To eat a oif maybe doesn't eat shrita midorisa. That's machlegis, whether it's darais thereaban. And therefore, says says Rabachabari Dharabarabashi that this that we just saw from Rami Barrichesko, that ikor does not apply by it's not gonna be a psol if the if you uproot the simonim by a knife. That's only true according to my number that the whole din of shita safe is drabana. Ah, well the manamer yeshkita life minatoi, but according to my that says you have shrita saif minatara, it's actually the right so they do shritah also on the knife, yeah iker, then you would also have a psol of iker. So omelej just to finish the khajman. So you answered him back, Rabash answered him back. Then Adrabah I would tell you the opposite actually. Ipchum is taboo more the opposite. So how do you know that by the way? How do you know? So the whole, even though my number that says that it's me do I raise or shiit asaif, so everyone's gonna agree it's no one referring to the tar, it's gonna be Ay de Allah Mash Mesina. So you can tell him Adarab. If anything, I would tell you that according to my number that says the Raisa, then then that my number would say that what? That it there's no halach of ikr. Why the Haqyagmer? Because that's how the Allah Mash Mesina was. That's part of the Masaira. Back to Mah Messina, the Ain Ikr. That the Allah Mashimesina, the same one that told you that it's gonna be the Raisa of Sheita Saif, that Shriita Saif is the Raisa, also told you that by the way it's different. And Sheita Saif, there's no soul of Ikr. Mafila Manamar kibehema. And even the man number that says that we have a hekish between Aith and Behema, and therefore the Ain Hakish the Machsa, you have to learn all the din and even Ikr. Lenin Ikr lay the have a kibehema. Lenin Ikr, that was the Alakhmash Misina, that it doesn't include Ikr. That's what I would tell you. And the man number, but according to Manam, Ain't Shitalf and according to Manam that it's only Dirabanan, I'll be there safe, me echa gimirla. How do you know to say that there's no din of iker? Meh me behema, kula milsa kibehema. You only know it, you only know the fact that the rabban said you have to do shit by a knife because you had the den of shita by by a behema, me darais. So we copy it. Mindaraban, we say also by a knife. Okay, so therefore it has to be kibehema. Just like by behema, you have a problem of ikr. So to buy an ivory should have a problem with iker, and therefore I can tell you bidukhafuh, ipcham isabra, to tell you that really uh Rabashi says back that really I could tell you that ikr would only be a problem according to the Sheita that says it's Durabanam. According to the sheet that says Shikita Saivas Dara Isa is making to say that that was the Hokhi Agmer, that is the Alakmash Missina, the ain't ikr, and we'll hold it over here again. Shaviz. Hope to see you all.