Chulin 24

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Khulin Abhdalid, we're gonna start by the Mishnah Kasher Bakan and Pos Balivium. Okay, so we're by the Mishnah on Khovdal and Aleph, and we're a little bit on a tangent here in the first paragon of Sachas Kulin. Where the Mishnahs are going through different things, and the theme is what's Kasher and this is possible and that. The last Mishnah was Kashibara Posabhagla Bag Baagla Kashibagla Posabara. And with that, our Mishnah says Kashib Kayanim Possible Vim. Where you find that something's kosher by Kahanim, it's actually possible. And where it's kosher beleviam is actually possible. Now what are we talking about? The Gemara starts off and jumps in with a brace that explains the Mishnah. Tanuraban Koyhanim bimum in psulin bishanim shaid as it relates to Koihanim. So uh Kayan is a Baumum, he's not allowed to do Avoidah so a mum passels a kayin from doing the avoidah, whereas Bhishonim Ksherim, there's no psul of being too old. A Kayan can still do a voidah even if he's very old. And therefore there's no psul of shonim, there's no psul of too many years to be being too old. And that meaning by qay'anim, mum and are psulim, and shanim is sharim. Whereas levium is the opposite. Which is singing or uh opening the gates and things like that, the the levium type of avoida. So that he could be a balmoom. Mum and k shirim. However, Bishonim Psulim. There is an age limit as it relates to the Levium, and we're gonna see it's 50 years. As soon as he's 50 years old, that's already gonna be too old. But this is where we find the idea that Kashibakan impossible N Levium, Kashram Blevium Posel Bekanim. Nimson, the Gamar Nimbris spells it out for you. Koshabakhan impossible Levium, Kashram Belevium Posel Bekhan. Says the Gamarmin Animili. How do I know this? Zois Asher Lavium. You gotta see the whole posik. That's really it's really the Bukulu over here. That's Zois Asher Levium, we mean Hamishva Estram Shonom Amala, Yob Litswaitzava Ba Vidas Oyel Muen. So we see the Levium. We mean Hamishva Estram Shonamala, 25 years and older. That's where they come to do, that's when they come to do the Avaida. But Zois Matomalimer, why does it say Zois? Zois is a rebut coming to teach us something. So what's what's Pshat? So the fish and amar. Because the Pasik already told me, that once he's 50 years old, he goes back. He doesn't do a voidah anymore. So Laman Levi's Shonim Pusan Leim. So we find and we learnt that by Leviim, there is a psoul as it relates to Shannim. There is a age that's gonna be the lit. There is an age limit by Leviim. So Yochol, Mumin Paisambaim. So I would think if they have an age limit and they have a psoul of shonim, too many shonim, then I would think maybe they should also have the psoul of a mum, and a balmoom also can't be doing as a levi, meaning a levi can't be a ma mum. Vidun, by the way, it should be a couple hammer. Umakanam shhain a shonim psulim poison, mumin poison. That there's no psul of shanim, and there is a problem of bali mumin. So levium shah shanim poison. So levium that do have a problem of shanim, and I didn't shayy yehe shayu mumin poison. So for sure they should also have the problem of mumin. And a levi that's about mumin is not gonna be able to do the sheet run. Do what they would do all the levi that type of avoidance. Talmuder, the brais says that's why it says Zois to teach you. Zois a share the levium, which teaches me Zois Little Levium. This is for the Levium. This Psol of Shanim is for the Levium, the Aina Khers Levium, but not a different one. The Psol of Bal Mum, that would not apply to the Levium. That is something we had for the Qahanim. Yochul, and the Gamar makes the exact, and the Breise makes the Hashbun in the opposite now, in the reverse for Kha'hanim. Yochul, you Qahanim Paisum Bashan. I would think that Qanim should be Psulin Bishanim. That they should also have a Psol being too old. They can't do the Abba anymore after whatever age, after 50 years old. Vidinuan, by the way, while I didn't know it should be a couple chimer to say that. That there's no problem of mum, but there is a problem of shanim of being too old. So q'anim shah mumin Paisama and Khanim that do have a problem of mumin. Ain't I then who shanim Paisal Mam. So for sure they should also have the problem of Shanim, the pseul of Shonim. That's what the post says. Ashella Levi'im. But this is this is a din for the Levi'im, the Psul of Shonim. Ashela Levi'im Ashella Q'anim, not for the Ka'anim. This psul of Shonim is only tafka for the Leviim and not for the Q'anim. Yochul af Bashilub Bay Salam says the Gemar, says the Brice. So I would think that maybe even this din that we learnt, that there's a psul of Shannim for the Leviim, this Psol for the Levi'im, this age limit, maybe I maybe it's only, maybe it's even meaning l'almeyad. It applies everywhere. Also in Mishkan Shiloh, and also in Baysalam, basically in the Besamiddash, meaning what? Meaning not only in the midbar. Not only in the midbar where the Psalkimara are talking about. So we learned from La Avaida Avaidas Avoidah Vavaidas Masa. In the context of the Pasik, it says Avoida Savaida and Avaidas Masa. Avaidas Masa was a certain type of available that was muchad to the midbar. Why? That was the Avaida that some of him had. Forgot which uh one, Bene Kaos maybe. Bakatefi so, yeah. So the Avaidas Masa for the Bine Kaos, they were the ones that carried the Mishan. We took apart the Mishkan, we were traveling throughout the Midbar, and that was a whole Avaida, Avaidas Masa to carry the parts of the Mishkan from place to place. And that avoidah was considered a whole separate Avaid. The Benay Kaos did that. Now that Avaidas Masa was Muchat to the Midbarah there was no Avoidas Masa by Shiloh. It was there for I think 400 years, Mashu Kaza. There was no Avaidas Masa by Base. It's Kavuva of a Kaim over there. And therefore there's no Avaidas Masa. So I am Martin the Khamelab ishavaid. This whole Indian of the Psul of Shanim is only when it's Avaida Ba Kasa. When you have Avoid the Bikasa, carrying on your shoulder, Avaida Bekasev shoulder. But when there's no Avaidas Masa, then there's no Psol of Shanim, and Leviim don't have this psul of Shanim. It only applies when it was in the Midbar. Kasva Khraimer continues the Gamar. I have one posuk that says, and this is by the Leviim. But Leviim it says, Me bench from Shonavala, 25 years and older. Another Pasuk says, from 30 years and older. So which one is it? Ef Shalemh Slayishim, Shekhfar Nemar Khafei. We can't say it's 30 because we already said 25. We can't say it's 25 because we already said it's 30. Okay, it said which one is it? How do you reconcile these two psukim? That seemed to be a stira. 25 years old, that's when the Leviim come to start learning. They come, they observe, they see how to do the Avaida. And Slay Shim La Voidah. Once they were five years in apprentice in apprenticeship, learning the job and seeing how to do it, then Shlishim they actually started doing the Avaidah as in Lady Mikan. And this is the Mikar, the Talmit Shleirah, Simon Yafa Bimishra, hey Shanaim, Shov Aina R the Tamin that tried learning for five years and still didn't see a sim in. Yafa, he still didn't see he wasn't Matzeh and is learning after five years. That's the that's how you know uh you might not be Matzech. Shuv Aina Ray, as the Gamar says. You also see in the inverse that it actually takes time. You gotta put five years to it. But the five years is the mark that sometimes it takes to pick up a skill, pick up learning, pick up whatever it is. It takes it could take five years. They'll be in the Mesa English. They would prepare and watch and learn for five years and only from 25. Once they were 30, after five years of learning, then they would actually go to the Avaida, and this applies itself everywhere else, as the Gemara says. Rabiyasiam Raby says, Gimal Shanim. No. The Talmud, really what you need is three years. Shannamar as the Pasik says, and this is a Pasik by Yachanya. And the context is he was a king and he took uh what was that? And he took all the uh he took all the a lot of the the the talented young people into his uh to be you know part of his uh part of his advisors or whatever it was. Well the Gaddham Shalashanim and Alamdam Sefer, so he made sure to prepare them. He like prepared them and taught them for three years. Will Lamdam Sefer, he taught them books, the Lashkin Khazdim, and he taught them lush and Khazdim. Okay, the Idoh, so what's the so we see from here what that it takes three years to teach them this lush and Khazdim? So it takes three years to pick something up. Says the Idoh, what's the other Shita gonna say that says five years, not three years? Shani Lash and Kazdim, they call. No, lush and Khazdim is easy. So that's different, that's why it only takes three years. The Idoch, what's the other Shita gonna say? Shani Alakh is uh the Shani Hokhusa Vaidah the Tikeefen. Really, meaning the Sheita that says really three years for most things. That we learned from Yuchanyo. He's gonna tell you that why buy the Lebim it has to be five years, because Ilhusavaida, that already is Tikeefen, that's already much harder. So Ilh Savida that needs more than three, that means five. And that's the machine over here. Tonaroban another bride. So Koyen. When should a coin do a voida? Mishovishir. Once he has Shah siris, he's a godal, that's when he's allowed to do the avaida. Until he becomes old, Kash Lavaida. He's gonna be kosher avaida in that time frame. Um in Poison Boy. But if he has a mum, a Ba Mum obviously is uh not allowed to do the Avaida. Ben Levi, what about a levi? From 30 to 50 years old, Kashala Avaida, Vishanim Poison Boy. And he has a psul of shanim. If he gets too old over 50 years old, he's not gonna be able to do the avaida anymore. Aval Beshi, lay baseball, ubi basalamim, ein nifsaw and elaboral. But in Shila Basalamim, card Mishkan Shila afterwards, and even in the base of Middash, there is no psul of shanim for the Leviim. But rather, what is the one psul for the Levi'im? Not Bali Muman, as we saw, that doesn't apply to Leviim. And even Shannon doesn't apply in the base of Middash and Shilai. So what is gonna be the Psalabi Kal? If their voice goes bad, once they don't have a voice anymore to sing nicely, then they're not gonna be able to do Avaida's Levi'am. Umr B yes and my crawl, what's the possible days? That Rashid says we see from the words, that Afilus Zikainim and Mashmah, they were all like one. Even Zikainim are included in that. So there's no psalin chanim. Even Leviim that were very old were involved in the Savida, Machatzim, they were uh uh the Leviim had different jobs. They would they would uh play the actual music, machatsut him, they would play the chatzitzrais, those would do shira with their mouths, and they would also uh be the uh they were sharim, misharim, and the shayarim. They would open up the gate to the base of Megdash. So either way, we see Vaik'e, that a Philomet Zakanim and Mashmah, so we see later on that um there was no soul of Shanim and even Zakanim were gonna be able to do the shear as long as they still had a call. Ad Sheyaskin. Adkama. So we said until they got old, right? So until uh they got until the Kahanim we're talking about, okay? Kedu Avaida from the fact from the time that he's a gobble, yeshtei siris. Atsheyaskin, until he gets old. Okay, so Ad Khama, what ages old? So Amr Rabilah, Amr Rib Khanina, Rabbilah says the name of Rub Khanina, Atshiytah, until he starts shaking, right? It says Yodavira's in main kayak. His hands and feet start shaking from the fact he has no kayak. That's the cutoff point where he's not gonna be able to do a vodka anymore. It's not an awesome. We have a Mishnah over there. Baal Kari Sha Tavavala hit the lime. A Baal Kari that toived before he urinated, before he went to the bathroom. So we're talking about someone that was just Moitzi Kari from his body. And he toivelled before he went to the bathroom in between where he was Moitzi Zara and then he was toival. So he was Mitzi Zara, went to the bathroom before he even and sorry, he went to the mikvah before he was toival before he even went to the bathroom for kitanim. So, likh shiatil tameh. So the tanakama says, or rather, yeah, the tanakama says, lk shiatil tame. After he goes to the mikvah, he gets out, as soon as he goes to the bathroom, kitanim, he's gonna be tame. Now why, Rash explains right here. Because Shema Nishabama sikzakhari, because maybe since he didn't go to the bathroom after being my kari, so s maybe there's gonna be in the Aver in the Phioama in the opening, maybe there's gonna be a tiny, tiny bit of carry that's still there. The yoitzi meeraglam is gonna come out with the urine. And even if it's the tiniest bit, we know that shikhvazera is mitam, it makes you into a balcari. When do you become a balcari? When shikhwaser leaves your body. So even if it's the tiniest bit left over, it's metam and bikalshu. A filubiken hardl, even like a tiny uh hardl seed. Like we learned in messachnida, and therefore, since a tiny bit might be left over, first needs to go to the bathroom before they go to the mikvah. Because when you go to the bathroom it cleans out whatever might be there. If you don't go to the bathroom, and then you go to the mikvah and come out of the mikvah. When you go to the bathroom, we're worried that a little bit might have stayed there that just came out in your ear, and then you're gonna be a balkari all over again. That's only true by a chilen and a zakin, because a chylah or a zakin, then we have this union that he doesn't have so much kayak, so maybe a tiny bit is left over. And that's where we have this shrashpayal be bari, but a yelled or a bari, someone who's generally healthy, tar. We don't have to assume that he's always gonna have a little chardal, even a tiny piece of zera still there. And even if he didn't go to the bathroom before the mikveh, he's going to be tar. So it's gonna be yelled al arkamah, up until how old is that? I remember saying in the Banish Kai by the way, it's like uh I was McVice about something maybe before Yam Tim Mashu because he writes me first in Allah that you have to make sure you urinate before you go to the mikvah. If someone wants to what could do before you go to the mikvah? This game are we just oh it's not asking we just brought we just go to this message? Yeah, I'm just gonna brought down aloha even why obviously you try to we don't know really how makeup our assets for men today, maybe for papers the question uh but uh you if you go to the mikro, you don't have to be matari yourself. So if you want to be matari yourself, do it the right way, don't do it. There's nothing to do with either it means you came out of the material carry all over again, you can go back in the microwave again. Like how do we get to this? I I think we're just talking about old, so we went on to another we're discussing ages. Women don't have There is, I think, some cheaters that hold that thing need to go to the bathroom because they're a hotita, but definitely not definitely not like a chatita or anything like that. Um by the way, woman that needed to go to the bathroom and went to the mikfall and came out. We're not gonna tell her to go to the bathroom. But it's even more than this is a mouth.

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What the mouth is conservative? Huh?

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I don't remember. I think it's I think the mouth is conservative, but this is even less than you don't have to open your mouth, but it has to be Roy Liby S mind.

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Huh? No!

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It has to be Roy Liby S mind. You have to keep it completely clean as if you open your mouth, it would touch everything, but you don't have to open your mouth. Not to let the water in.

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You don't close it tight because you have a different issue.

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I would go to a different makeup. No, you're not supposed to close your mouth tight so you don't if you bite your lips here. That's the problem. Not that the water has to go in your mouth. You go normal. Normal, you close your eyes, you don't squeeze them because you might make a khatita here on your skin if you squeeze it close. Yeah, okay. So Ruby Alice said that's only as related to Akhal Vizakan. Tell me uh Zak and tell me because you have the Axby. Because you don't have to be Khaj. Yelled at Kama. Up until how old is he considered a yellow that we assume he's got kayak, and therefore you don't have to be worried about this issue. Amr Abilah, Amr Bchanina, Kul Shamir al Ragli Akas, Vikhailitz Minalay Vinil. The cutoff point is if you're able to stand on one leg and take off your shoe and put it back on. Take off your shoe, put it back on. If you're able to do that type of maneuver, it shows you have kayak and you're considered a yelled, so we don't have to be khajh for this anymore. Amr Allah Rabchanina, they said about Rub Khanina, Shaha bin Shmoyim Shanawa, Yahmir al Ragla, Achas, Vikhailitz Minala, Vinal Minalah. He they said about Ruchanina, even when he was 80 years old, he was able to stand on one leg and take one shoe off, put it back on the whole time, he's balancing on one foot. He was very healthy. So Amr Ruchanina, Arab Khanina said, You want to know what kept me so young? It was the hot water and the oil that my mother smeared me with as a child that kept me healthy, and that's what was Uimid Lib Izzik Nusi. Once someone grows a full beard, it fills in, then you can make him a shliachziber. Shrich Tsiber over here, we're gonna see doesn't actually mean Davening for the Ahmud because that's not gonna be the next thing we're saying in the Brahsa. It means as Rashi says, Shriak Tibur, all the things to do for the Tibur. Also, he could start uh Davening for the Ahmud. That's Shulia Tiber that we know. When is he gonna be cautious for a voida? A coin, Michyovichar, once he has Shaitzar's. Rebbi Imer Rabbi says that I'm chebenes, that it should be twenty years old before he does the aboida. Umrhizd, my time in the Rabbi, what's Rebi's reason for saying that he should be 20 years old to do the aboida? The still the pasik says, So what do we see over here? That the Indian is 20 years old. Uh, you're gonna tell me it's Laviam, not Kayanim in the Pasik, the Gamar's about to ask that. Vidah, what's the other shit gonna say that says that it's Shte Cyrus, not 20 years old? Lenatse Ak Shani. Lenatseh in the Pasik sounds like something that's uh that's more intense. That Lenatseak Shani, the uh high crub. Oh, okay, sorry, Lenatzehani is more of an intense available. So for a harder thing, that's what you need, someone that's 20, but for general avoidus sirus, a goddess is gonna be good enough. Says a gemar, the obvious question. You're bringing me a riot that it says me and it says by the Levium. The Levium were 20 years and older. Not the Kahanim, read the words of the Possum. So how do you bring a riot to a Kahanim? So the Gamar can do Bishoman Levi. Does it gonna work like something Rub Shoman Levi said? The Almer Shoman Levi classic, the Estrim, the Rabama comments. There are 24 plays in the Torah that Nikru Khanim Levium. There were the Kahanim or called Leviim. This is one of them. Can we see that levium and eat sadh? It's referring to Kayanim. Ton Raman we have a right, so Ich meiz Arachalidorous. Um again by Kahanim. So it says Ichh Mizarachlodaras. What does that teach me? Mikana Rivelez are cotton pasalavad. That a pot cotton is possible because it said itch means a rachalidorasum. He has to be an ish, not a cotton. And even if the cotton is a tam, he's not about mummy, he's a tam, it's complete. Still he's gonna be possible because he's a cotton. At what point is he gonna be caught of Ravida? Michael Chyrus. Once he gets two Cyrus, he's a goddamn. So the first tweet in this brand stuff is when is he called Ravidayan? Once he gets J Cyrus. Abul Echovakanim in Mini Khan Sadavan. But happens to be that his brothers, the Kahanim, don't let him work at Shia Ben Kh. But there was a command from the Kahanim themselves that they didn't let kids work. They had to actually be 20 years old. So really, we didn't he could work as long as he did as long as he's he has chirus as a godol. But in the base of the child canim wouldn't allow him until he was 20. Ikadamri, some said, meaning is this gonna work with Rebbe or not? Because Rebbi said before Aymarani that he has to be 20. Is this the same Cheetah? Because this sounded like even the like uh even the Rabbanan he's able to work as long as he's uh uh he has Tay Cyrus. It's just an Indian that Akhovakanim didn't really allow. Is that cheetah's Rebbe or Rebbe holds it's actually a problem mean din? So there's the Ikadamri, Ikadamri. So Ikidamri. Oh Rebbe, this is actually the same cheetah as Rebbe. But if you do Pasul Midrabanan lastly, and Rebbe that said before Oymirani that he has to be 20 years old, that Rebbe is not saying that it's a possible at all. Rebbi holds Mi Ikra Din, he's allowed to do a voidah as long as he has Chase Cyrus. And even a pseudarabanan does not. He's just saying Rebbi's saying the same inion, Ech of Akkanim are not gonna allow him until he's 20. That's all Rebbi was saying. Vikadami, some say that Rebbi Islay Posul Mid Rabbanan. That Rebbe actually holds Pasul Midaraban for a for a client to work if he's under 20 years old. And this inion that we said, that really shays iris, aval ech of a ka'anim, but it's just a thing that the ech of Aqanim, his brothers a khanim, didn't allow him, so that's obviously not Sheita Srabbi. Rebbi holds middina, it's a problem, it's a pseudaraban, that's not, so that's not Sheita Srabbi. But this that we said, the Echovak'hanim, just make it uh don't let him. Rabbanani. That's Rabbananu, argue on Rebi Ul Khathila Udaloi. And it's the Khathilah that he shouldn't. Aval Diab, but if he did it with Diyabh, his avoid is koshra because it's not a problem. Even Midrabban, according to Rabbanan, it's just that Echabakhanim don't allow him. So the Khatkhilu he shouldn't, because that's not uh not a thing to do. Whereas Rebbe's gonna say in this second version that it's actually Posal Midrabanan. And it's not just that Echabakhan didn't allow him. No, it's Posal Midraban, Midorai, as long as it's Shte Cyrus ish. Whereas Midrabanan, he has to be twenty years old. There's an Igadamri two versions of what Rebbi said, whether there's even a Psalderabanan or not, we'll hold it here for today.